[12:02] <schweeb> before hoary release, sometime
[12:03] <dredg> same as me then :)
[12:03] <dredg> but i hit launchpad a while back and uploaded the signed coc, ssh keys and some other stuff
[12:03] <dredg> which reminds me, the wiki and launchpad thinks there's a few of me. i need to get them merged
[12:09] <schweeb> yea, that's cause they did a bunch of auto-imports
[12:09] <schweeb> from diff sources
[12:37] <tigger^> schweeb: let me guess. it was in a safe place?
[12:37] <tigger^> :)
[12:38] <schweeb> yea, in my old laptop, sitting on my shelf in under my TV
[12:39] <Nafallo> :-)
[12:41] <schweeb> there, got it to at least say I'm a ubuntite :P
[12:44] <schweeb> malone's the main universe bug tracker now, right?
[12:45] <Nafallo> not main, but universe yes :-)
[12:46] <schweeb> you know damn well what I meant :P
[12:47] <Nafallo> no, you got me confused :-)
[12:51] <Nafallo> schweeb: an admin :-)
[12:52] <schweeb> kamion, mako, and elmo all haven't been active for a while on IRC, so...
[12:53] <schweeb> hey ogra
[12:53] <ogra> ho schweeb
[12:53] <Nafallo> ogra: ! :-)
[12:54] <schweeb> hrm, how does one view only universe bugs in malone
[12:54] <schweeb> ogra: I'm settin off to do some work now!!!
[12:54] <ogra> cool !
[12:55] <Nafallo> ogra: I think hughsie might want you in -devel :-)
[12:56] <Nafallo> atleast earlier.
[01:00] <schweeb> is there even a way to view ONLY universe bugs in malone?
[01:00] <schweeb> or should I search for ones assigned to MOTU?
[01:03] <ogra> Nafallo, i already told him, i'm out of time
[01:04] <ogra> but thanks for reminding
[01:04] <schweeb> RequestExpired
[01:04] <schweeb> A server error occurred.
[01:04] <schweeb> arrrrrghhhh
[01:05] <Nafallo> ogra: oki
[01:42] <Cashel> just a quick heads up, it seems the gnome-btdownload package is bugy/broken ... version 0.0.22 on the authors site isnt... might wanna update it....
[01:53] <Nafallo> Cashel: thanx for the heads up. I'll prepare a debdiff and send it to some random main-dude :-)
[01:58] <marcin> hi ppl
[01:59] <marcin> I want to create package that contains rnc files (Relax NG Schemas)
[01:59] <marcin> and I what path shoud I use to install these schemas...
[02:00] <marcin> there is /usr/share/sgml and /usr/share/xml but rnc schemas aren't smgl and also not xml...
[02:00] <marcin> any suggestions?
[02:14] <Cashel> Nafallo: np :)
[02:15] <Nafallo> Cashel: main-devels applied lots of changes, so I gave it to them through a bug :-)
[02:15] <Cashel> yeah, I've been scratching my head a bit since the 13th, heh
[02:16] <Cashel> you guys will probably hate me, but outside of synaptic I dont see any difference in breezy... someone in #ubuntu was saying how much different gnome 2.12 looked... I dont see any different except for the available panel add-ons, heh..
[02:16] <dereks> anyone here program with gtk-sharp?
[02:21] <marcin> Cashel: you are right
[02:21] <marcin> Cashel: you have to look very carefully to find out the difference
[02:23] <marcin> Cashel: propably this http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/ article could help you
[02:23] <Nafallo> :-)
[02:27] <Cashel> marcin thanks :P
[02:28] <marcin> Cashel: ;>
[02:31] <Cashel> any of you folks use qemu / vmware , etc?
[02:31] <Cashel> wondering is vmware is any fast... win 2k3 under qemu is mind numbingly slow...
[02:31] <Cashel> s/fast/faster/
[02:32] <schweeb> vmware is decently fast
[02:32] <marcin> Cashel: ubuntu-motu folks use ubuntu software not win 2k3 ;)
[02:32] <schweeb> heh
[02:32] <schweeb> dereks: I have a little bit
[02:33] <marcin> ehhhhh I think that I need to decide myself
[02:33] <marcin> but anyway - is /usr/share/xml/rnc a good path for rnc schemas?
[02:41] <dereks> schweeb: how come i can't get the gtk.filechooserbutton to work
[02:44] <dereks> are we going to get gtk-sharp 2.6 added anytime soon?
[02:45] <dereks> in dapper
[03:18] <Kyral> hmm
[03:18] <Kyral> Hows this for an experiment
[03:18] <Kyral> I take the debs for Mezzo, Metatheme, and Orchestra and try to install them :D
[03:20] <tseng> metatheme is still useful?
[03:20] <Kyral> I guess so
[03:20] <tseng> its sort of built into gnome these days
[03:20] <Kyral> Orchestra depends on it
[03:20] <tseng> since 2.6 or something
[03:20] <tseng> orchewhat?
[03:20] <Kyral> Its a part of SymphonyOS
[03:20] <tseng> sigh
[03:21] <Nafallo> dapper doesn't work as a pbuilder atm?
[03:21] <crimsun> no
[03:22] <Nafallo> *sigh*
[03:22] <crimsun> well, it actually depends what your b-ds are
[03:22] <Nafallo> debhelper ;-)
[03:22] <crimsun> yeah, it'll be fixed/built soon
[03:22] <Nafallo> cdbs? :-)
[03:23] <Nafallo> I hope things work after the damn debhelper :-)
[03:23] <Nafallo> would be fun to have gcc and family at some point also ;-)
[03:24] <crimsun> well a metric assload has been thrown at the buildds in addition to the sid sync, so slowness is expected
[03:24] <Nafallo> :-)
[03:25] <Nafallo> they are still not finished? :-)
[03:26] <crimsun> gcc-4.0 is finished on three arches
[03:26] <crimsun> failed pretty hard on amd64
[03:26] <Nafallo> baah. don't count ia64 ;-)
[03:27] <Kyral> Well, it worked, but not well
[03:29] <tseng> wow, even I beat you
[03:29] <crimsun> Nafallo: nice :-)
[03:29] <tseng> and I dont do anything
[03:30] <Kyral> Okay, how do I kill the panel at the top of XFCE?
[03:30] <Kyral> the taskbar ;P
[03:30] <tseng> you can only hide it afaik
[03:30] <Nafallo> dbus -> libdbus ;-)
[03:30] <tseng> so ive been told
[03:31] <Kyral> or kill it ;P
[03:31] <Kyral> just pop open system monitor and BAM! ;P
[03:31] <tseng> sigh
[03:31] <tseng> thats not very persistant
[03:32] <Kyral> It is when I save the session
[03:32] <tseng> oh!
[03:32] <Kyral> where does XFCE keep its config files in ~/ anyway?
[03:32] <tseng> tried .config/ ?
[03:32] <crimsun> ~/.config
[03:32] <tseng> dont fret
[03:32] <tseng> freedesktop will tell you where to put your files
[03:36] <tseng> here is a good mental note for you all
[03:36] <tseng> dont start a window manager from the console and then ^Z it
[03:36] <tseng> you'll be sorry
[03:36] <Kyral> lol
[03:36] <Kyral> Yah I like the iconbox better than the taskbar :D
[03:36] <tseng> (openbox --replace &) == better
[03:36] <tseng> iconbox rocks
[03:37] <tseng> you dont see all the open crap
[03:37] <Kyral> Hmm, Rox-Filer or XFFM?
[03:37] <tseng> Thunar
[03:37] <Kyral> Do they have a Deb for it yet?
[03:37] <crimsun> yes, it's at os-works
[03:38] <crimsun> don't use it yet
[03:38] <crimsun> jani and I haven't merged it properly yet
[03:38] <Kyral> Crimsun, I just "hijacked" Mezzo from SymphonyOS into Ubuntu
[03:38] <crimsun> (although several people actually do use it with breezy apparently)
[03:40] <Kyral> I think I can handle a nonstandard package or two ;P
[03:40] <tseng> i hate both rox-file and xffm
[03:41] <Kyral> mmm, drop shadows...
[03:41] <Kyral> Transparency...
[03:41] <crimsun> I like rox-filer, but xffm has got to go
[03:41] <Kyral> and with both of those active its STILL faster than GNOME + MetaCity
[03:41] <crimsun> thunar rules them both despite its infancy
[03:42] <Kyral> then can I install it?
[03:42] <tseng> NOPE
[03:42] <crimsun> you're free to do whatever you want, Kyral
[03:42] <Kyral> I'm impulsive and bored. I installed Mezzo successfully on Ubuntu
[03:44] <Kyral> Anyone know what font the titlebar is using in this pic? http://www.xfce-look.org/content/pre1/23060-1.png
[03:45] <crimsun> download the theme and look at the file
[03:45] <Kyral> good point...
[03:46] <Kyral> Got it nm :P
[03:51] <Kyral> so can anyone reccommend a good terminal emulator that isn't GNOME Term?
[03:51] <crimsun> xterminal
[03:52] <crimsun> there are a bunch, though
[03:52] <crimsun> rxvt-unicode, mlterm, etc.
[03:52] <Kyral> What about XFCE4-Terminal?
[03:52] <Nafallo> apt-cache search quake :-)
[03:52] <crimsun> I think you need to read xterminal's description.
[03:52] <Kyral> lol
[03:52] <Kyral> xterminal removes xfce4-terminal
[03:53] <crimsun> we'll kill one or the other
[04:01] <Kyral> Now if I could just find out why the panel disappears randomly...
[04:17] <Riddell> how do I find the current debian standards version again?
[04:21] <crimsun> packages.debian.org/debian-policy
[04:21] <crimsun> (3.6.2.1)
[04:28] <Riddell> crimsun: ah, thanks
[04:28] <crimsun> np
[05:42] <hub> there is no libiberty in Ubuntu?
[05:43] <YokoZar> Ok, winesetuptk is still in universe
[05:44] <YokoZar> I thought I sent an email asking for this to be removed a long time ago
[05:44] <YokoZar> All it does is break stuff now
[05:45] <YokoZar> Who can remove stuff from universe?
[05:46] <Kyral> remove....why remove...
[05:49] <YokoZar> Let's put it this way: all the package does is break wine configurations and confuse users.  It doesn't setup anything anymore.
[05:49] <YokoZar> It was obsoleted like 2 years ago.
[05:49] <Kyral> ??????
[05:49] <YokoZar> Oh, I'm talking about package winesetuptk
[05:49] <YokoZar> Didn't notice you just came in
[05:50] <Kyral> I think you need to file a bug
[05:56] <Riddell> YokoZar: elmo can remove (move to morgue) packages
[05:56] <YokoZar> Riddell: thanks
[05:57] <Riddell> I'm not sure if there's a list somewhere of packages to be morgued
[05:57] <Kyral> mmm
[05:57] <Kyral> New kernel!!
[05:57] <YokoZar> We had a wiki page at one point
[05:57] <YokoZar> And I thought winesetuptk was there...
[07:22] <hew> exit
[08:10] <zyga> hello
[09:37] <_Tonio_> morning
[10:37] <thesaltydog> what are these errors I got in pbuilder:  warning: no utmp entry available and LOGNAME not defined; using uid of process (0) ???
[10:47] <siretart> morning folks!
[10:47] <siretart> thesaltydog: I ignore them, they don't matter that much
[10:47] <zyga> morning siretart
[10:47] <siretart> hi zyga
[10:50] <StrikeForce> anyone on?
[10:51] <Mortas_> yep
[10:51] <StrikeForce> I'm still having issues with dbus since I"ve upgraded to breezy
[10:51] <StrikeForce> and I haven't found any bugs in bugzilla
[10:52] <StrikeForce> on shutdown I'm getting an error saying it can't find hald.pid
[10:52] <StrikeForce> its hard writing all the info down on shutdown :(
[10:53] <StrikeForce> its under the /etc/dbus and one of the files there on line 49 its calling to kill hald which is fine however its not finding it on my system
[10:53] <Mortas> if you manually try to stop the service instead of shutting down you might get the same error with a bit of luck
[10:53] <StrikeForce> yeah I used to
[10:53] <Mortas> so you can paste it in a bug report
[10:53] <StrikeForce> but I dont' anymore
[10:53] <Mortas> ah ok
[10:53] <thesaltydog> siretart, yes, but they really get me confused as they can hidden other important warnings...
[10:53] <StrikeForce> I just tried a dpkg-reconfigure on both hal as well as dbus
[10:54] <StrikeForce> but that didn't fix it :(
[10:55] <Mortas> well I can't really help you with this because I don't have a breezy release box anymore, could you file a bug with as much info as you have?
[10:56] <StrikeForce> yeah I'm just reading the 20hal script
[10:56] <StrikeForce> and its showing the right location of hte pid?
[10:56] <StrikeForce> this is what has got be confused
[10:56] <siretart> thesaltydog: the error comes from dpkg-buildpackage, it doesn't find the userid as expected from the host system in your chroot
[10:57] <thesaltydog> siretart, that was what I suspected.. Some more words on the pbuilderHowTo would be greatly appreciated..:-)
[10:58] <StrikeForce> is this correct kill -9 $(< $PIDFILE) || true
[10:58] <siretart> thesaltydog: just add them, someone with more clue will correct it when something gets wrong or confusing
[10:58] <StrikeForce> its coming up with a possible error under vi?
[11:03] <dholbach> "morning"
[11:03] <StrikeForce> dholbach, morning
[11:03] <dholbach> hi StrikeForce
[11:03] <StrikeForce> can someone on a breezy box tell me what dbus files they have under /etc/default?
[11:14] <StrikeForce> who takes care of dbus?
[11:14] <siretart> hi dholbach!
[11:14] <dholbach> hey siretart
[11:15] <dholbach> StrikeForce: pitti and daniels, i guess
[11:15] <StrikeForce> ahh k
[11:15] <StrikeForce> I've got a few questions just wondering whether its my system or if its a bug
[11:19] <spayne> mornin' all
[11:19] <spayne> has anyone managed to get a dapper pbuilder workign?
[11:19] <Mortas> I got a dapper running, but haven't tried pbuilder yet
[11:20] <spayne> \sh: have you managed to get a dapper pbuilder running?
[11:20] <\sh> moins
[11:21] <\sh> spayne: yes...create a breezy one and update to dapper ;)
[11:21] <spayne> \sh: just when i try and create a dapper one, it fails
[11:21] <spayne> E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/dapper
[11:21] <\sh> spayne: well...could be that the debootstrap script is not in place
[11:21] <Mortas> get a new debootstrap first
[11:21] <\sh> spayne: yes...
[11:22] <\sh> u should download the new debootstrap from dapper and install it by hand
[11:22] <\sh> I think kamion fixed it the last days
[11:22] <spayne> \sh: now that's good thinking :)
[11:22] <\sh> spayne: but the easiest way...create breezy one, and update pbuilder to dapper ;)
[11:22] <selinium> Hi spayne :)
[11:22] <Mortas> wouldn't apt-get -t dapper install debootstrap work?
[11:23] <\sh> should work, yes
[11:23] <spayne> i'm just not running dapper on this machine yet
[11:23] <spayne> = main laptop
[11:23] <Mortas> for people like me who are to lazy to search for a package on an archive :)
[11:23] <spayne> = want to see how Dapper pans out :)
[11:23] <Mortas> got my wrecking box here set up with dapper, no issues yet
[11:24] <Mortas> sadly enough
[11:24] <Mortas> break something already, I wanna fix stuff :)
[11:24] <dholbach> i guess the buildlogs have enough broken stuff :)
[11:25] <Mortas> dholbach: see previously mentioned point of lack of docs about that on wiki :)
[11:25] <highvoltage> siretart: your nick always reminds me of a prodigy song.
[11:25] <Mortas> or at least I haven't been able to find a starting spot for fixing dapper breakage
[11:25] <siretart> highvoltage: yeah? which one?
[11:25] <siretart> update successful
[11:26] <highvoltage> siretart: firestarter
[11:26] <dholbach> Mortas: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html
[11:26] <spayne> \sh: you are my hero
[11:27] <Mortas> dholbach: yay :)
[11:27] <Mortas> now where did you find that?
[11:27] <Mortas> I hate asking questions
[11:27] <\sh> someone not right in his head enabled my office phone divertion to my mobile.
[11:27] <siretart> highvoltage: great song :)
[11:27] <\sh> since this morning I got 5 phonecalls
[11:28] <spayne> \sh, i take it your at Montreal?
[11:28] <\sh> now I will go to the office and kick someones ass ;)
[11:28] <\sh> spayne: yes
[11:28] <spayne> \sh, how is it?
[11:28] <\sh> spayne: oh no...I'm flying tomorrow
[11:28] <\sh> spayne: ogra is already there
[11:33] <siretart> ok, lunch
[11:36] <\sh> or better bbl
[11:39] <Mortas> hmm loads of ppc breakage
[11:40] <Mortas> time to give that ibook a use
[11:40] <StrikeForce> is there a need to purge pbuilder's cache before upgrading to dapper or will that automagically get done
[12:08] <drbyte> so, out of curiosity, how does one get "involved" with the ubuntu project?
[12:10] <StrikeForce> drbyte, nag people :( although I'm not involved so I'm not sure whether I can offer any constructive advice
[12:10] <drbyte> StrikeForce: heh. right.
[12:11] <dholbach> drbyte: depends on what you want to do...
[12:11] <drbyte> dholbach: hi there. you may remember me ;-)
[12:11] <dholbach> drbyte: if you want to be a package maintainer, then #ubuntu-motu is just the right place :)
[12:13] <siretart> drbyte: try to do some work. If you see something that could be improved, suggest improvments. There are a lot of areas which could need improvement, I think
[12:13] <siretart> our wiki pages made big progess
[12:16] <StrikeForce> anyone know if browser-bookmarks-menu is getting worked on?
[12:16] <StrikeForce> I've just about finished it
[12:18] <StrikeForce> if a required package is python-gnome2 do I need to add gnome to it if python-gnome2 has a dependancy of gnome?
[12:18] <StrikeForce> lol hope that makes sense
[12:22] <Mortas> that will be fixed by the dependencies python-gnome2 has
[12:22] <StrikeForce> yeah thats right
[12:22] <StrikeForce> I'm just questioning whether it needs to be added or not
[12:22] <Mortas> thankfully not, otherwise you'd need to add xorg and everything gnome depends on as well :)
[12:23] <Mortas> that's the whole idea of the dependency system
[12:23] <StrikeForce> yeah I know just making sure
[12:23] <StrikeForce> cause I"ve seen some big dependancy chains
[12:23] <Mortas> build it in a clean pbuilder environment, it will shout if it misses stuff
[12:23] <StrikeForce> yeah I have
[12:23] <StrikeForce> the building isn't the issue
[12:23] <StrikeForce> the running of it is
[12:24] <StrikeForce> its only 1 python file
[12:24] <StrikeForce> and a config file
[12:24] <Mortas> ah runtime depends
[12:24] <StrikeForce> yep
[12:24] <Mortas> you should be able to use 'pbuilder login' to get in the chroot, install the package and see if it grabs everything you need to run it
[12:26] <StrikeForce> I've tested it in breezy and it works fine
[12:27] <Mortas> well in that case you should put it on revu I guess
[12:28] <pef> someone can confime that Standards-Version should be set to 3.6.2 instead of 3.6.2.1 ?
[12:28] <StrikeForce> can't atm unmet deps Mortas
[12:28] <StrikeForce> although if someone wants to revu it
[12:28] <StrikeForce> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=830
[12:29] <StrikeForce> :)
[12:29] <dholbach> pef: 3.6.2 is fine, only the first 3 digits matter
[12:29] <StrikeForce> and rufus has been there since breezy froze :(
[12:29] <dholbach> pef: the last one is just for typos and the like
[12:29] <StrikeForce> hopefully someone have another look at it
[12:29] <dholbach> pef: dpkg -l debian-policy
[12:29] <pef> dholbach: I just wanted a confirmation, thanks !
[12:30] <Mortas> StrikeForce: I'll give it a try once I get this ppc box running
[12:30] <dholbach> de rien
[12:30] <StrikeForce> Mortas: thanks
[12:30] <StrikeForce> Mortas, there are unmet deps in dapper obviously so pbuilder builds fine but installing it I can't install the unmet deps
[12:31] <_Tonio_> dholbach: i've been asked for putting 3.6.2.1, that's why we wanted the information with pef
[12:31] <_Tonio_> just to be sure all revuers are waiting for the same thing
[12:31] <dholbach> 3.6.2.1 is not incorrect, but simply not necessary
[12:32] <dholbach> (that's what i've been told half a year ago ;)))
[12:32] <_Tonio_> dholbach: okay.
[12:32] <slomo> the last digit is only for cosmetical changes
[12:34] <StrikeForce> dholbach: do you know if I'm allowed to edit the universe candidates page to advise that one package is in REVU?
[12:35] <StrikeForce> dholbach: never mind I've just finished editiing it and its worked :)
[12:35] <dholbach> StrikeForce: sure, thanks for taking care
[12:36] <slomo> is someone of you using mc (midnight commander)?
[12:36] <slomo> i uploaded a version with utf8 support some minutes ago... would be nice if you can tell me if it works for you too :)
[12:36] <dholbach> slomo: every 2 months :)
[12:37] <dholbach> but i can give it a spin, once it's there
[12:37] <pef> SloMo: hello, do you know "mc-light" ?
[12:37] <slomo> pef: no... what's that?
[12:37] <slomo> give me url,etc please ;)
[12:38] <Yagisan> slomo: I use mc and utf-8
[12:38] <Yagisan> slomo: * and need
[12:39] <slomo> Yagisan: perfect :) you can probably use the dapper package without modifications or recompilation on breezy...
[12:39] <slomo> just wait until 4.6.1-1ubuntu1 is in the archives
[12:39] <Yagisan> slomo: no worries - I've been waiting a long time for this
[12:40] <pef> SloMo: http://mc.linuxinside.com
[12:40] <slomo> if something doesn't work as before blame me ;) i got a patch for utf8 support with slang1... and ported it to slang2
[12:40] <slomo> pef: thanks... will take a look
[12:40] <pef> SloMo : look a the screenshots, very nice !
[12:41] <pef> SloMo: question about mc, is it normal that display is weird when using it under virtual consoles ? (ctrl+alt+Fx)
[12:41] <Yagisan> slomo: some time ago debian broke tab completion with a security update
[12:41] <Yagisan> slomo: it never got fixed
[12:41] <slomo> "there is no possibilities to compile it without some X parts, like Glib." ok, i stop reading the mc-lite page :P
[12:41] <slomo> pef: what do you mean with weird?
[12:42] <Yagisan> slomo: I doubt that you can do worse then that
[12:42] <slomo> Yagisan: tab completion in mc?
[12:42] <Yagisan> slomo: yes, it used to have tab completion like bash
[12:43] <slomo> Yagisan: uh, when? i used it the first time years ago... and there was nothing like tab completion since then ;)
[12:43] <dholbach> Glib has nothing to do with X
[12:43] <pef> SloMo: when  scrolling on list of files, disply is not refreshed, so you have garbage on the screen
[12:43] <slomo> dholbach: that's why i stopped reading that page ;)
[12:43] <dholbach> right
[12:43] <slomo> pef: hm, works for me
[12:44] <pef> SloMo: I'm using FR locale, maybe this is the problem ?
[12:45] <slomo> pef: fr_FR.UTF-8?
[12:46] <pef> SloMo: yes
[12:47] <slomo> pef: ok, i'll test it
[12:49] <Yagisan> slomo: pre-sarge on debian it worked
[12:49] <slomo> Yagisan: hmm... do you know which patch it is?
[12:50] <Yagisan> slomo: nope, apparently M-tab is also a shortcut
[12:51] <Yagisan> slomo: but in my gnome terminal that doesn't work, as X intercepts that
[12:51] <slomo> pef: works fine here... hmm
[12:52] <Yagisan> slomo: mc command list http://twiki.med.yale.edu/twiki/bin/view/Tools/MidnightCommanderShortcuts
[12:53] <fujisan> dont whois me please :(
[12:53] <slomo> Yagisan: thanks
[12:53] <pef> SloMo: I'm taking a screenshot with my camera :)
[12:53] <fujisan> lol
[12:54] <slomo> fujisan: why? :P
[12:54] <fujisan> :P
[12:54] <dholbach> slomo: maybe to take pictures of the installer :)
[12:55] <slomo> dholbach: ?
[12:55] <dholbach> slomo: erm... nevermind
[12:55] <slomo> dholbach: ok :)
[12:55] <dholbach> slomo: i thought you were asking pef "why?" :)
[12:56] <pef> I don't understand something with launchpad...I have assinged some bugs to me, but I can't see them when I click on my account on "bugs"
[12:56] <slomo> dholbach: nope... he will make a photo of mc ;)
[12:57] <fujisan> i'm an operator :P
[12:57] <slomo> pef: btw, the problem you have could be utf8 related... i had something similar before without the utf8 patch... maybe the working-with-utf8 version fixes it
[12:57] <Yagisan> slomo: it seems ESC+tab gets tab completion working again. /me wonders why that wasn't listed anyware
[12:58] <slomo> Yagisan: yes, esc+tab works here too :)
[12:58] <slomo> thanks
[12:58] <pef> SloMo: http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/9648/dscn02391pn.jpg (big picture)
[12:59] <Yagisan> pef: I get that too
[12:59] <slomo> pef: wrong terminal font or because of no utf8 support before... please retest with the version uploaded soon
[01:00] <slomo> Yagisan, pef please tell me when this is fixed later :)
[01:01] <pef> SloMo: I have distribution default fonts settings... will test your version :)
[01:02] <Yagisan> slomo: I too use breezy defaults, perhaps main should ship a nice unicode font for us
[01:02] <slomo> well, it works with utf8 chars for me
[01:02] <fujisan> :p
[01:03] <Yagisan> fujisan - what's the deal with asking me to go to #ubuntu-banned
[01:03] <fujisan> lol
[01:03] <fujisan> :)
[01:03] <fujisan> joke
[01:03] <pef> SloMo : new version for dapper or breezy-updates ?
[01:04] <slomo> pef: dapper... it's a fairly big change... maybe something for backports later
[01:04] <Yagisan> fujisan: not funny
[01:04] <fujisan> haha
[01:04] <slomo> pef: but the binary should work without recompilation on breezy
[01:04] <fujisan> "when nature calls we all shall drown..."
[01:04] <fujisan> :)
[01:05] <slomo> fujisan: part of the lyrics of a good song by tiamat :P
[01:05] <fujisan> :P
[01:10] <pef> dholbach: do you know if someone is working on UniverseDesktopFileAbsolutePath ?
[01:11] <dholbach> erm, no
[01:11] <dholbach> pef: Mortas wrote it
[01:11] <pef> Mortas: :)
[01:11] <pef> dholbach: tanks, I haven't found his irc nickname
[01:11] <pef> Mortas: hello, are you working on UniverseDesktopFileAbsolutePath ?
[01:37] <slomo> dholbach, pef, Yagisan: built fine on x86 and ppc... amd64 didn't build because of some dependency problems... will be given-back
[01:37] <slomo> please write bugreports to malone or mail@slomosnail.de
[01:37] <slomo> i won't be online until tuesday evening
[02:02] <pef> dholbach: hello Daniel
[02:02] <Mortas> pef: when I see packages that don't confirm yes
[02:02] <Mortas> however not active at the moment
[02:03] <Mortas> just finished ppc installation (which I'm working on now) to go take a poke at the failing builds
[02:03] <Mortas> but feel free to pick it up if you want to
[02:03] <Mortas> best thing to do imho is to just check packages that you're working on anyway, because there are quite a lot of them most likely
[02:03] <pef> Mortas: does this problem justify a new version ? or just make this changes with anothers ones more important ?
[02:04] <pef> ok :)
[02:05] <Mortas> ooh bootsplash on ppc looks hella ugly
[02:05] <Mortas> well on my powerbook atleast
[02:20] <keyes> I need help to make a Enemy Territory package
[02:21] <keyes> The sound don't work if don't run this command as root (don't work with sudo) before running the game echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss
[02:22] <keyes> how can I do it (add it to bootmisc.sh is not very clean)
[02:39] <Yagisan> keyes: you also need to add export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.2 to the et shell script
[02:48] <Yagisan> keyes: that workaround only needs to be done on systems that don't have hardware mixing on the audio card
[02:49] <Yagisan> keyes: the esddsp workaround should be ok on i386 (assuming ubuntu stays with esd), but won't work with amd64
[03:57] <Mez> siretart: ping
[03:59] <Fuji-san> ?
[04:10] <siretart> Mez: pong
[04:10] <siretart> Fuji-san: huh?
[04:12] <\sh> re
[04:12] <Treenaks> \sh: wb
[04:12] <\sh> I hate my bank
[04:12] <Treenaks> ?
[04:12] <\sh> Treenaks: waiting for my bloody salary
[04:12] <Treenaks> argh
[04:12] <siretart> wb \sh
[04:13] <\sh> re siretart
[04:13] <\sh> I hate to fly with knowing that my account is empty
[04:13] <siretart> fuck.. :(
[04:13] <\sh> and everybody else has their salary already on the account...
[04:13] <\sh> so its my bloody stupid bank
[04:14] <Treenaks> we have one bank like that in .nl
[04:14] <Treenaks> takes up to 9 days(!) for people to get their money
[04:14] <\sh> Treenaks: let me take a guess...a daughter of the german sparkasse? ,-)
[04:15] <Treenaks> \sh: no, not that one
[04:15] <\sh> Treenaks: well...the company transfered the money on monday...4 days for one transfer normally...
[04:16] <siretart> Mez: you pinged me earlier? whats up?
[04:16] <\sh> and I have to buy some stuff for the flight I'm really really *censored*
[04:18] <\sh> does somebody know if I can get money with my ec card in canada?
[04:46] <Yagisan> Fuji-san: 
[04:48] <siretart> ok, I'm on my way home now, cu later
[04:53] <chillywilly> lalala
[05:22] <dholbach> how about a MOTUDocumentation BOF? :)
[05:28] <tritium> Wow, your conference starts tomorrow.
[05:29] <sivang> tritium: conference starts nnow?
[05:30] <tritium> sivang, as far as I remember.  I thought Saturday was the first day.  I'm not going, so I could be wrong.
[05:30] <sivang> tritium: right
[05:58] <\sh> Treenaks: sunday the conf is starting
[05:58] <\sh> argl
[05:58] <\sh> tritium: i mean ;)
[05:58] <tritium> \sh, oh, my mistake
[06:02] <rbelem> hello people
[06:05] <dholbach> hi rbelem
[06:05] <tritium> hi rbelem, dholbach
[06:05] <dholbach> tritium: hey michael :)
[06:06] <rbelem> can you indicate a book or something like to get deeper my knowledge in C? My C knowledge level is only academic. I was trying to fix some bugs, but my knowledge don't allow me go on.
[06:06] <rbelem> :'(
[06:06] <siretart> dholbach: what exactly do you want to discuss at MOTUDocumentation?
[06:07] <dholbach> siretart: the wiki pages and how people get into "the motu thing"
[06:07] <dholbach> siretart: i got a lot of mails and requests on irc to tell people "what to do" and "what it's all about"
[06:07] <rbelem> hi dholbach, tritium ;-)
[06:07] <siretart> dholbach: this would be a very good idea, since this would help to attract more potential motus!
[06:07] <dholbach> i'm fine with that
[06:07] <dholbach> but i think we can do better
[06:07] <\sh> ok...what do i need
[06:07] <siretart> yeah
[06:08] <\sh> mvos wifi router packed
[06:08] <\sh> sivangs book packed
[06:08] <tritium> It would be good to lower the entry barrier for new folks, and folks that are trying to get re-involved
[06:09] <rbelem> dholbach: i listed at my wiki page some links to people get into "the motu thing"
[06:09] <\sh> toshiba laptop and power supply packed
[06:09] <\sh> mobile charger packed
[06:09] <dholbach> rbelem: oh cool, which one is it?
[06:09] <\sh> 2 power plug converter packed
[06:09] <rbelem> dholbach: RodrigoBelem
[06:09] <siretart> I'm also thinking about what to bring
[06:09] <\sh> camera charger
[06:09] <dholbach> tritium: i guess at the moment, we're all a bit confused ourselves, so it's hard to get people into "working"
[06:10] <tritium> dholbach, I can understand that.
[06:10] <dholbach> do you think teams would make it easier?
[06:10] <dholbach> motu subteams
[06:10] <\sh> hp nc6000 will be packed later
[06:10] <tritium> I can only speak for myelf, but I would need some focus/direction, either from a subteam, or a mentor, or a leader who can delegate a bit
[06:11] <dholbach> rbelem: wow, that's cool
[06:11] <\sh> multiple socket will be packed as well later
[06:11] <\sh> passport packed
[06:11] <dholbach> tritium: i think i will go out have a smoke and think about it :)
[06:11] <\sh> clothes packed
[06:11] <\sh> I think I'm ready
[06:12] <tritium> dholbach, be safe :)
[06:12] <dholbach> merci :)
[06:12] <rbelem> dholbach: i see that there is many wiki pages, but nothing that link then
[06:12] <dholbach> tritium: and thanks for telling your views on it
[06:12] <\sh> siretart: I'll go just now to my bank and check on the cash machine if the money is there...I'm really really p*ssed
[06:12] <tritium> dholbach, thanks for listening too
[06:13] <dholbach> rbelem: absolutely... i'd like to have kind of a "round trip" on the wiki, showing people around, telling them all our instruments/processes/tools/...
[06:13] <dholbach> rbelem: it's the beginning of a new release cycle, so this is the perfect time to DO IT :)
[06:14] <rbelem> dholbach: i can help you to write it
[06:14] <rbelem> ;-)
[06:14] <dholbach> rbelem: COOL :)
[06:14] <tritium> dholbach, if there were well-documented processes/procedures for such things as merging, etc., we could pitch in whenever we had a spare hour or two
[06:14] <rbelem> heheheeheh
[06:14] <rbelem> =)
[06:15] <dholbach> tritium: absolutely
[06:15] <hub> hi
[06:15] <dholbach> hey hub
[06:15] <hub> I have some license question
[06:15] <hub> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=738
[06:15] <thesaltydog> dholbach, have you ever heard of complains concerning ppc perl installation in breezy?
[06:15] <dholbach> thesaltydog: no
[06:15] <hub> thesaltydog: was working fine on my laptop
[06:16] <thesaltydog> It seems that the stddef.ph file can't be found on perl 5.8.7... I do not have a ppc so I can't test
[06:16] <dholbach> hub: can't you get the upstream author commenting on that?
[06:16] <siretart> sh: good luck!
[06:18] <hub> dholbach: I haven't asked him. so ok, will do that
[06:19] <hub> I have plenty of time now
[06:19] <rbelem> dholbach: can i start today night? i have to work at afternoon (here 12:19 now)
[06:19] <dholbach> hub: it's the easiest... if people feel uneasy about "some files are under different licences", i can understand that
[06:19] <dholbach> rbelem: sure, that'd be awesome... i'll think about it and make additions or discuss it with you
[06:19] <hub> make sense
[06:20] <rbelem> dholbach: cool ;-)
[08:29] <\sh> k guys...going to bed....cu tomorrow (at least some of u) in .ca
[08:29] <crimsun> 'night
[08:29] <dredg> dholbach: good morning
[08:29] <\sh> siretart: will call you when I'm hitting ffm ground :)
[08:30] <dholbach> dredg: re :)
[08:58] <siretart> gn8 \sh_away
[11:21] <LaserJock> welcome back tritium ;-)
[11:21] <tritium> LaserJock, heh, thanks.  My laptop decided it wanted to reboot for some reason ;)
[11:21] <LaserJock> bummer
[11:23] <LaserJock> lol, again?
[11:23] <tritium> yep, heh
[11:24] <LaserJock> overheat?
[11:24] <tritium> no idea
[11:59] <linlin> Hi Im wondering if I can request a few apps to be added to the repos.
[11:59] <linlin> I dont know if anyone is here right now to hear this so ill jsut say the names: CTorrent and kftpgrabber
[12:00] <LaserJock> linlin: you might wat to take a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates
[12:01] <linlin> kthx
[12:02] <Riddell> kftpgrabber is in revu