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mhzogra: any ideas why my name is Mauricio Hernandez but when i am logged in, i appear as Mauriciohernandez and therefore I have to #redirect it to MauricioHernandez12:04
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mhzJaneW: how are you doing? too cold?12:18
ogramhz, jdub asks m if you cant do a more general ubuntu LoCo team ... 12:20
ograinstead of something education related12:20
ogra(but covering it ... if i understood right= 12:21
ogra)12:21
mhzhmmm, yes why not :)12:21
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mhzactually i do know many chilean people already using ubuntu12:23
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JaneWhi mhz12:23
mhzhey JaneW 12:23
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mhzhehehe12:24
JaneWmhz: it;s actually not TOO cold outside - it is nippy though, except the air con is cold in this room!12:24
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mhzJaneW: do you have an specialist on designing surveys?12:25
JaneWmhz: no I don't think so12:25
mhzok12:26
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mhzJaneW: did you have a chance to read my email to you ?12:26
JaneWhelp, my inbox is gone!12:26
mhz?12:27
mhzgone?12:27
JaneWwait, maybe that's a good thing ...;)12:27
mhzlol12:27
ograouch12:27
JaneWyes, my e-mail all came up and looked normal, but there's no inbox12:27
ograJaneW, seb128 maintains evolution ;)12:27
ograhe's on -devel12:27
mhzhmmmm, i use webmail interfaces12:27
mhzdo you at least have the chance to keep mails on server side?12:28
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JaneWogra: ok I'll ask him12:29
mhzogra: i have just signed code of conduct and it feels good12:57
mhz:)12:57
ogracool :)12:58
mhz.oO(gee! lot of pasword entering :)12:58
mhzyou mentioned earlier that I should wiki a pae about myself, right. I already did so (some weeks ago). Anything relevant missing there?12:59
mhzogra: how can i change this info in launchpad? :01:06
mhzRegistered Details01:06
mhzWiki: Mauriciohernandez, Mauriciohernandez 01:06
mhzI do not want to be Mauriciohernandez but MauricioHernandez :)01:06
ograthere must be a edit function01:07
mhzhmm, yes but can't modify that01:08
mhznever mind, i'll mail the launchpad team01:08
ograor ask in #launchpad ;)01:08
mhzhehehe01:08
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mhzogra: hhmmm there seems to be an intent for LoCo Team Latinoamerica by RolandoBlanco01:31
ogramake it a chilenian LoCo01:31
mhzhehe, yes but are you sure i'm not gonna be reinventing the wheel or doubling the work?01:32
ograi know jeff isnt happy with a latin ameriacan LoCo, its just to big01:40
ograLo==(Local) Co==(community)01:40
mhzgood point01:42
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ogra:)01:45
mhzjust maybe (hope) one last question. Non english speakers/people interested in edubuntu (not necessarily Linux stuff, like ubuntu) development, where should they address to? if we focus on ChileanLoCo team won't we be giving a different 1st impresion? IMHO, edubuntu is linux tools esp. oriented for schools, teachers, and students needs, more than how do i do this ir that on linux. Edubuntu is way diiferent from a normal ubuntu user, or not?01:53
ograthats my opinion too.. but it needs to be discussed more...01:55
ogranormally it should be that every country has a community ... so you can get support and help as well as fair presence from this team...01:55
ogradinner01:56
mhzdinner time for me too02:04
pituxi have a question03:20
pituxfor enter to schooltool el user is?03:20
pituxfor enter to schooltool ,the user is?03:20
pituxthe password is?03:20
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mhzpitux: did you try #schooltool03:22
pituxohhhh thanks03:22
pituxread mhz read03:22
mhzhehehehe03:22
mhzno lu pude evitar03:23
pituxis my english very bad?03:23
mhznot at all03:23
mhzcommunication is important03:23
mhzmore than perfect syntaxis03:23
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odie5533I just set up a normal edubuntu install and when I went to boot a thin client it just went into windows instead of into Edubuntu. Any ideas?07:26
Yagisanodie5533: did you have a boot floppy or boot cd in the client ? does the client support pxe ?07:27
odie5533boot floppy. It doesn't support PXE.07:27
Yagisanodie5533: it obviously didn't boot from the floppy then. Check the BIOS settings on the client and make sure it boots from "A:" first07:28
odie5533I did, and it is07:29
odie5533is there anyway to read the floppy from linux?07:29
Yagisanodie5533: not the etherboot floppies, they are only a bootloader07:29
odie5533Do the floppies say anything if they are booted too?07:30
Yagisanodie5533: yes, they that a display saying looking for server for a few seconds07:30
Yagisans/sthat/have07:31
odie5533I didn't get that. I have a feeling that my floppy drive on the server (this pc, which I made the floppy on) is bad. Anyway to test that?07:31
Yagisanodie5533: did the floppy drive light turn on and drive spin up ?07:31
odie5533On the server, yes07:31
Yagisanodie5533: what about on the client ?07:32
odie5533I believe so. The floppy drive works on the client I am sure, I was using it in windows07:32
Yagisanodie5533: possibly a bad disk.07:32
Yagisanodie5533: how did you make the floppy ?07:33
odie5533the dd command07:33
odie5533how do I format a floppy to vfat in edubuntu?07:33
odie5533(just to test itP)07:33
Yagisanmkfs.vfat -c /dev/fd007:34
odie5533it says it found bad blocks07:35
odie5533that bad?07:35
Yagisanit means fault floppy disk07:36
Yagisanfaulty07:36
odie5533all 3 of my floppy disks say that :S seems I need to invest more in floppy disks07:36
Yagisantends to happen with older disks07:36
odie5533I think these are about as old as they come07:37
Yagisanheh - I still have 5.25" around, and the drive they go in07:37
odie5533Still have one? my other pc has one hooked up and running :S07:39
odie5533I got about 1000 of those 5.25" disks to go with it too07:40
odie5533it says its bad on all of these. They worked in windows?07:40
odie5533on my other pc07:40
Yagisanodie5533: probably not, windows will happily write to bad sectors and not check if the data was written correctly07:41
Yagisanodie5533: you only find out when you try to read the data back07:41
Yagisanodie5533: put them in the windows pc and run scandisk on them, it will also say faulty07:42
odie5533Can you run a scandisk w/o formatting the disk?07:45
Yagisanyes - there should be a menu item for it07:46
odie5533Hmm windows won't format them... gives me errors. Suppose they are all bad...07:48
odie5533well this particular client has a cd rom drive, ill try booting from it07:50
odie5533Is there anything special I need to do to edubuntu? or can I just plug the rj45 cord into the client and I'm done?07:51
Yagisanodie5533: nothing special, just plug the cord in07:51
Yagisanodie5533: you seem familiar07:52
odie5533ok, well gonna dc from irc. thanks for the help07:52
Yagisanno worries07:52
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odie5533Yagisan: still there?08:05
odie5533When I boot a thin client it says No Ip Address08:07
juliuxodie5533, check that the dhcp server is runnning08:09
juliuxodie5533, and what is with our tuxpaint battle?08:09
Yagisanodie5533: just got back08:23
Yagisanodie5533: was your dhcp server running ?  ps ax | grep dhcpd308:24
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odie5533My thin client gets out of memory errors :S08:30
odie5533I thought thin clients were just that, thin clients, thus not needing an amazing amount of memory?08:30
Yagisanodie5533: how much ram does it have ?08:41
Yagisanodie5533: they don't need much ram, just enough to boot, display your screen and take care of the input.08:42
Yagisanodie5533: I needed 64MB in my thin clients. IIRC that is less then what commercial thin clients come with08:43
odie5533My think client has 32mb of RAM08:45
odie5533*thin08:45
odie5533I guess thats not enough...08:45
Yagisanodie5533: not for current edubuntu :(08:46
odie5533how much does an extra stick of 32mb ram cost?08:46
Yagisanodie5533: don't know, they don't sell that small anymore08:46
Yagisanodie5533: should be able to pick up some memory cheap on ebay08:46
Yagisanodie5533: what is your thin client ? p2, p3 ?08:47
odie5533p208:47
Yagisanodie5533: you would need SDRAM08:47
odie5533I was gonna have a p3 run as a server, but it only has 64mb of ram, obviously not enough to run any clients...08:47
odie5533The 32mb strips on ebay are like $10 ea...08:48
Yagisanodie5533: that server needs more RAM08:48
Yagisanodie5533: look for bigger strips, they don't cost much must more08:48
odie5533if you don't mind me pasting ebay links... http://cgi.ebay.com/Lot-21-32MB-PC66-SDRAM-Memory-Tested-FREE-SHIPPING_W0QQitemZ6814269099QQcategoryZ14914QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem08:48
odie5533is that the type of memory that'd work?08:50
Yagisanodie5533: for the p2 yes08:51
Yagisanodie5533: for the p3 no08:51
odie5533oh?08:51
odie5533why not?08:51
Yagisanodie5533: old p2 can use pc66, pc100 or pc133 ram. newer p2 uses pc100 or pc133, p3 needs pc13308:52
Yagisanodie5533: this may be a better choice, depending on how old those p2 systems are http://cgi.ebay.com/lot-of-5-Pc100-64mb-320mb-sdram-memory-168-pin-ram_W0QQitemZ6813925980QQcategoryZ14916QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem08:54
Yagisanodie5533: happy shopping08:54
odie5533Yea... the alternative though is scrapping 2 of the p2's to allow there to be a client and a server with 96mb of ram and 64mb of ram... hmm08:55
odie5533whats the minimum amm of memory for a p3 server to run a few clients?08:56
Yagisanodie5533: I tend to allow about 64MB per simultaneous user on the server + 64MB buffer08:59
Yagisanodie5533: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing09:00
odie5533With that much memory the server can't hold what 5 clients tops?09:00
odie5533Is there a way to set a different window manager (such as xfce)?09:01
odie5533for the clients I mean09:01
odie5533and is there a way to boot off of the internet? IE have my pc at home boot the pc's at the school?09:03
Yagisanodie5533: I've never tried. You make all the changes on the server, I think that if you installed xubuntu on the server09:03
Yagisanodie5533: and removed ubuntu-desktop, that may work09:03
Yagisanodie5533: you don't want to try booting over the Internet, it's a) incredibly insecure, b) rather slow, c) more hassle then it's worth09:04
odie5533=/09:04
odie5533Is there a low memory linux that will run on a p2 with 32mb of ram?09:06
Yagisanodie5533: normal ltsp (not edubuntu) just squeezes into 32mb, and normal ubuntu runs (slowly)09:07
Yagisanodie5533: but no desktop linux really runs in less then 64mb of ram09:08
Yagisanodie5533: servers yes, desktops not really09:08
odie5533not even with like xfce?09:08
Yagisanodie5533: that helps, fluxbox and icewm use even less - but you'll need to do the install and measure the ram useage for us09:09
Yagisanodie5533: I measured what the clients use, but I can't take my server down - it's already in production09:10
Yagisanodie5533: no chance of buying more ram ?09:10
odie5533Kinda defeats the purpose of using an old pc as I see it09:11
odie5533The pcs were half a step from the garbage as it was09:11
Yagisanodie5533: I was talking about the server09:11
Yagisanodie5533: my clients are a several p2 64MB,  a k6/2 320MB09:12
odie5533erm, the server is running windows fine09:12
Yagisanodie5533: what version ?09:12
odie5533and I don't think my mom will like edubuntu over windows if its costs more than a dime09:12
odie55339809:12
odie5533the clients all had 98 too09:13
Yagisanodie5533: what applications, and how much swap did they use09:13
odie5533No idea on the Swap, applications were Microsoft Word (97/2000) and Internet Explorer09:13
Yagisanodie5533: that would be about 160MB swap + more depending on how many IE windows are open09:14
odie5533IE probably 109:14
Yagisanodie5533: regardless of what you use, they need more ram09:14
odie5533well that is what they came with09:14
odie5533the p3 came from dell with 64mb ram, win98, and office 97, seems to work quite fine09:15
odie5533a bit slow, but its better than not booting and just saying out of memory09:15
Yagisanodie5533: off the shelf pc's are never sold with enough ram, so we can charge more for the upgrade09:15
odie5533Schools don't buy upgrades, at least this one doesn't09:16
Yagisanodie5533: that slowness is it needing to use swap just to start09:16
Yagisanogra: ping09:17
odie5533Well kids don't normally start it, my mom just turned it on in the morning and off at night09:17
Yagisanodie5533: there may be a solution for getting the clients to start without buying more ram - I need to talk to the developer about it09:18
Yagisanodie5533: See if we can get network swap, or on disk swap running09:19
Yagisanodie5533: but get some more ram for the server, "borrow" it from another class09:19
odie5533I asked my mom about that. The principal got socked in the chest on thursday so it was a bad day to ask, and today she was bringing home the p3 server, can't ask for everything on the same day I suppose09:20
odie5533the pcs in all the classrooms really arent used and are going to be thrown out soon09:20
Yagisanodie5533: are they going to buy more pcs ?09:23
odie5533They bought a few new ones09:23
odie5533top of the line with flat screens09:23
Yagisanodie5533: for the classroom ?09:23
odie5533but the teachers are supposed to use em09:23
odie5533mainly just the teachers09:23
odie5533the pcs were bought with grant money I believe09:25
odie5533its probably one of if not the poorest district in the south side of chicago09:25
Yagisanodie5533: well, at least you can try out the server on the p309:27
odie5533The others I suppose I'll just use windows09:28
odie5533I have a lot of educational software I can install, so not exactly a total loss09:28
odie5533well im gonna go to sleep. gnight Yagisan09:30
highvoltagegeez, and i was just about to ask him about that tuxpaint tournament.09:47
Yagisanhighvoltage: what tuxpaint tournament ?09:55
highvoltagei'm going to paste an older conversation below...09:59
highvoltage08:24 < odie5533> how good are you in TuxPaint?09:59
highvoltage08:24 < juliux> never used09:59
highvoltage08:24 < odie5533> im probably better at it than you09:59
highvoltage08:24 < juliux> yes09:59
highvoltage08:24 < odie5533> Wanna have a TuxPaint Battle?09:59
highvoltage08:24 < juliux> no thanks09:59
highvoltage08:25 < odie5533> o10:00
highvoltage08:25 < juliux> i have to go to university in a few minutes10:00
highvoltage08:25 < odie5533> lets have the battle when you get back ok?10:00
highvoltage08:25 < juliux> ok10:00
highvoltage08:26 < odie5533> bring it on10:00
highvoltage08:26 < juliux> i will do10:00
highvoltage08:27 < juliux> at first i have to install it on my computer10:00
Yagisanhighvoltage: hah10:01
Yagisanhighvoltage: perhaps I should have my little girl submit an entry10:02
enyc''TuxPaint Battle'' lol10:10
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davidbroI have just installed Edubuntu - disabled IPV6 as is does not work with my system/server - Firefox works well now but I get timed out when I try and connect to the repositories?  Any ideas?11:44
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highvoltagei just installed edubuntu, then i logged in, changed hostname, logged out, and when i ran sudo again, it said that it can't get my hostname by gethostname()02:57
highvoltage(yes, i know, very clever of me)02:57
highvoltageany way to use sudo and edit /etc/hosts withour rebooting?02:57
juliuxogra around?02:58
highvoltagenope02:58
juliuxshit02:59
juliuxi present gnome/ubuntu/edubuntu at a fair in germany02:59
highvoltagehow did it go?02:59
juliuxvery very good02:59
highvoltagenice :)02:59
juliuxwe have a edubuntu server with one client03:00
juliuxvery nice to see03:00
juliuxand a lot of visitors asks for edubuntu cds03:02
highvoltagewhich fair was this?03:02
juliuxit is a linux info day at the univeristy of dresden/germany03:03
juliuxwww.linux-info-tag.de03:03
highvoltagethey should get a freedom toaster there :)03:03
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zakamehi all03:42
highvoltagehi zakame 03:42
zakamewazup here?03:48
highvoltageit's quietish.03:50
highvoltageeveryone's at UBZ03:51
zakameadjusting, as I gather in -devel :)03:51
highvoltage:)03:52
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zakamehi ogra ! :D03:57
ograhola03:58
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highvoltagehola ogra04:22
ograhey highvoltage 04:23
ajmitch_hi ogra, how are you?04:30
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ograajmitch_, fine, thanks...04:31
ograare you all downstairs ? 04:31
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ajmitch_ogra: I'm in my room at the hotel04:34
ajmitch_I've hardly seen anyone else around04:34
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JaneWhi ajmitch_  and highvoltage 04:34
highvoltageJaneW: very cold there?04:35
ajmitch_highvoltage: not really04:36
ajmitch_rather disappointing actually04:36
highvoltagehehe/04:36
JaneWit's surprisingly warm today04:37
JaneWthe conf room is colder than anything else ...04:37
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ajmitch_JaneW: where do we actually meet up for ubuntu love day?04:37
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JaneWajmitch_: in the 'ballroom' downstairs, called Dahlia04:44
JaneWlevel S104:44
ajmitch_ok, thanks :)04:45
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highvoltageifconfig05:51
highvoltagesorry, wrong keyboard05:51
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mhzhi08:08
highvoltagehi mhz 08:15
mhzhi, Mr voltage08:16
ogramhz, you need to get your gpg key signed... 08:16
mhzbut i did yesterday, didn't i?08:17
ograi checked your launchpad page this morning...08:17
ograthe *key* must be signed...08:17
ograits not in the strong set if nobody signed it08:17
mhzhmmm, would you?08:18
ograyes, but you need to meet in person to sign keys08:18
ograso you would have to come here :/08:18
ograits not that easy08:19
mhzsee? as i said, I should have been there08:19
ogrado you know any debian developer near you ? 08:19
mhzdebian developer in Chile? Just one, who lives far from me and with whom I have many discussions08:23
mhzregarding freedom08:23
mhzI can scan my ID card and send it :)08:23
mhzalso my passport08:23
mhzogra: will canonical support and pay for your tickets to Chile for our first Edubuntu Chilean Tour?08:25
mhzogra: what other kind of people would be candidates to get my key signed ?08:27
jsgotangcoerrr why does mhz need his key signed?08:27
mhzhi jsgotangco08:27
jsgotangcomhz: people in the debian keyring if possible08:27
jsgotangcoso that the connection will be established08:27
mhzyep, AFAIK, we have just one Chilean Debian developer08:28
ograjsgotangco, because he goes for membership08:28
jsgotangcoogra: i thought membership didn't require a key...uploaders do...08:29
ograhe wants a chilenian mailing list... i cant do administration for something i cant rea :)08:29
jsgotangcoahhhh08:29
ogramembeship requires a signed code of conduct ...08:29
ograsigned with a valid key08:29
ogramhz, look at biglumber.com if you find any other chilenian...08:30
mhzso, that would be the only pending requirement from me so far?08:30
mhzokidoki08:30
ograyup08:31
jsgotangcomhz: just get your key signed by a DD preferably and you'll get connected easily08:32
mhzgood point08:32
mhz.oO(gee! I was in peru talking about edubuntu 2 months ago. There was DD there!)08:32
jsgotangcoim sure there is at least one person there who is well connected :)08:32
mhzheheh08:33
mhzcoool! this guy has been working on many FreeTech projects I have been part of08:36
mhzhttp://www.biglumber.com/x/web?ev=28294;qh=283608:36
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jsgotangcomhz: http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/mk_path.cgi?FROM=531406B2&TO=9E379FC6&PATHS=trust+paths08:40
mhzcool! 3 of them know me well08:42
mhzthx, jsgotangco 08:42
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stef__Hello.09:01
stef__I'n new to this, so go easy on me ;-)09:01
stef__anyone ?09:02
stef__Hmm, must be the timezone. I'll check in later. Bye.09:03
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highvoltageedubot: Ubuntu is <reply> Ubuntu is a very popular GNU/Linux distribution. The word "Ubuntu" means humanity to others, and it's the philosophy that Ubuntu is built on. For more information, see http://www.ubuntu.com11:12
edubothighvoltage: sure thing11:12
highvoltageedubot: \sh is 11:13
edubothighvoltage: *blink*11:13
highvoltageedubot: \sh is Stephan Hermann11:13
edubothighvoltage: okay11:13
highvoltageedubot: ajmitch is Andrew Mitchell11:14
edubothighvoltage: okay11:14
highvoltageedubot: Seveas is Dennis Kaaremaaker11:15
edubothighvoltage: okay11:15
Seveasoh no, not more bots...11:15
Seveas;)11:16
highvoltageSeveas: we're all going to be replaced by bots some day.11:16
highvoltagethe problem is that a million monkey's have been typing relentlessly on IRC for decades, and nothing even closely resembles shakespear.11:16
highvoltageedubot: FAQ is <reply> The Edubuntu FAQ can be found on the Edubuntu wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuFAQ11:17
edubothighvoltage: gotcha11:17
highvoltageedubot: mwest is Matthew west11:20
edubothighvoltage: okay11:20
Seveasso we have a matthew east and a matthew west?11:23
highvoltageyep :)11:23
highvoltagei knew matthew west when i met metthew east, so it was a bit confusing for me too :)11:23
highvoltageedubot: jsgotangco is Jeremy Gotangco11:24
edubothighvoltage: gotcha11:24
highvoltageedubot: Documentation is <reply> Links to Edubuntu documentation can be found at http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation11:29
edubothighvoltage: gotcha11:29
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highvoltagewhy did they write a gdm-keeps-crashing but not a nautilus-keeps-crashing... sigh.11:56
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