[12:04] <mhz> ogra: any ideas why my name is Mauricio Hernandez but when i am logged in, i appear as Mauriciohernandez and therefore I have to #redirect it to MauricioHernandez
[12:18] <mhz> JaneW: how are you doing? too cold?
[12:20] <ogra> mhz, jdub asks m if you cant do a more general ubuntu LoCo team ... 
[12:20] <ogra> instead of something education related
[12:21] <ogra> (but covering it ... if i understood right= 
[12:21] <ogra> )
[12:21] <mhz> hmmm, yes why not :)
[12:23] <mhz> actually i do know many chilean people already using ubuntu
[12:23] <JaneW> hi mhz
[12:23] <mhz> hey JaneW 
[12:24] <mhz> hehehe
[12:24] <JaneW> mhz: it;s actually not TOO cold outside - it is nippy though, except the air con is cold in this room!
[12:25] <mhz> JaneW: do you have an specialist on designing surveys?
[12:25] <JaneW> mhz: no I don't think so
[12:26] <mhz> ok
[12:26] <mhz> JaneW: did you have a chance to read my email to you ?
[12:26] <JaneW> help, my inbox is gone!
[12:27] <mhz> ?
[12:27] <mhz> gone?
[12:27] <JaneW> wait, maybe that's a good thing ...;)
[12:27] <mhz> lol
[12:27] <ogra> ouch
[12:27] <JaneW> yes, my e-mail all came up and looked normal, but there's no inbox
[12:27] <ogra> JaneW, seb128 maintains evolution ;)
[12:27] <ogra> he's on -devel
[12:27] <mhz> hmmmm, i use webmail interfaces
[12:28] <mhz> do you at least have the chance to keep mails on server side?
[12:29] <JaneW> ogra: ok I'll ask him
[12:57] <mhz> ogra: i have just signed code of conduct and it feels good
[12:57] <mhz> :)
[12:58] <ogra> cool :)
[12:58] <mhz> .oO(gee! lot of pasword entering :)
[12:59] <mhz> you mentioned earlier that I should wiki a pae about myself, right. I already did so (some weeks ago). Anything relevant missing there?
[01:06] <mhz> ogra: how can i change this info in launchpad? :
[01:06] <mhz> Registered Details
[01:06] <mhz> Wiki: 	Mauriciohernandez, Mauriciohernandez 
[01:06] <mhz> I do not want to be Mauriciohernandez but MauricioHernandez :)
[01:07] <ogra> there must be a edit function
[01:08] <mhz> hmm, yes but can't modify that
[01:08] <mhz> never mind, i'll mail the launchpad team
[01:08] <ogra> or ask in #launchpad ;)
[01:08] <mhz> hehehe
[01:31] <mhz> ogra: hhmmm there seems to be an intent for LoCo Team Latinoamerica by RolandoBlanco
[01:31] <ogra> make it a chilenian LoCo
[01:32] <mhz> hehe, yes but are you sure i'm not gonna be reinventing the wheel or doubling the work?
[01:40] <ogra> i know jeff isnt happy with a latin ameriacan LoCo, its just to big
[01:40] <ogra> Lo==(Local) Co==(community)
[01:42] <mhz> good point
[01:45] <ogra> :)
[01:53] <mhz> just maybe (hope) one last question. Non english speakers/people interested in edubuntu (not necessarily Linux stuff, like ubuntu) development, where should they address to? if we focus on ChileanLoCo team won't we be giving a different 1st impresion? IMHO, edubuntu is linux tools esp. oriented for schools, teachers, and students needs, more than how do i do this ir that on linux. Edubuntu is way diiferent from a normal ubuntu user, or not?
[01:55] <ogra> thats my opinion too.. but it needs to be discussed more...
[01:55] <ogra> normally it should be that every country has a community ... so you can get support and help as well as fair presence from this team...
[01:56] <ogra> dinner
[02:04] <mhz> dinner time for me too
[03:20] <pitux> i have a question
[03:20] <pitux> for enter to schooltool el user is?
[03:20] <pitux> for enter to schooltool ,the user is?
[03:20] <pitux> the password is?
[03:22] <mhz> pitux: did you try #schooltool
[03:22] <pitux> ohhhh thanks
[03:22] <pitux> read mhz read
[03:22] <mhz> hehehehe
[03:23] <mhz> no lu pude evitar
[03:23] <pitux> is my english very bad?
[03:23] <mhz> not at all
[03:23] <mhz> communication is important
[03:23] <mhz> more than perfect syntaxis
[07:26] <odie5533> I just set up a normal edubuntu install and when I went to boot a thin client it just went into windows instead of into Edubuntu. Any ideas?
[07:27] <Yagisan> odie5533: did you have a boot floppy or boot cd in the client ? does the client support pxe ?
[07:27] <odie5533> boot floppy. It doesn't support PXE.
[07:28] <Yagisan> odie5533: it obviously didn't boot from the floppy then. Check the BIOS settings on the client and make sure it boots from "A:" first
[07:29] <odie5533> I did, and it is
[07:29] <odie5533> is there anyway to read the floppy from linux?
[07:29] <Yagisan> odie5533: not the etherboot floppies, they are only a bootloader
[07:30] <odie5533> Do the floppies say anything if they are booted too?
[07:30] <Yagisan> odie5533: yes, they that a display saying looking for server for a few seconds
[07:31] <Yagisan> s/sthat/have
[07:31] <odie5533> I didn't get that. I have a feeling that my floppy drive on the server (this pc, which I made the floppy on) is bad. Anyway to test that?
[07:31] <Yagisan> odie5533: did the floppy drive light turn on and drive spin up ?
[07:31] <odie5533> On the server, yes
[07:32] <Yagisan> odie5533: what about on the client ?
[07:32] <odie5533> I believe so. The floppy drive works on the client I am sure, I was using it in windows
[07:32] <Yagisan> odie5533: possibly a bad disk.
[07:33] <Yagisan> odie5533: how did you make the floppy ?
[07:33] <odie5533> the dd command
[07:33] <odie5533> how do I format a floppy to vfat in edubuntu?
[07:33] <odie5533> (just to test itP)
[07:34] <Yagisan> mkfs.vfat -c /dev/fd0
[07:35] <odie5533> it says it found bad blocks
[07:35] <odie5533> that bad?
[07:36] <Yagisan> it means fault floppy disk
[07:36] <Yagisan> faulty
[07:36] <odie5533> all 3 of my floppy disks say that :S seems I need to invest more in floppy disks
[07:36] <Yagisan> tends to happen with older disks
[07:37] <odie5533> I think these are about as old as they come
[07:37] <Yagisan> heh - I still have 5.25" around, and the drive they go in
[07:39] <odie5533> Still have one? my other pc has one hooked up and running :S
[07:40] <odie5533> I got about 1000 of those 5.25" disks to go with it too
[07:40] <odie5533> it says its bad on all of these. They worked in windows?
[07:40] <odie5533> on my other pc
[07:41] <Yagisan> odie5533: probably not, windows will happily write to bad sectors and not check if the data was written correctly
[07:41] <Yagisan> odie5533: you only find out when you try to read the data back
[07:42] <Yagisan> odie5533: put them in the windows pc and run scandisk on them, it will also say faulty
[07:45] <odie5533> Can you run a scandisk w/o formatting the disk?
[07:46] <Yagisan> yes - there should be a menu item for it
[07:48] <odie5533> Hmm windows won't format them... gives me errors. Suppose they are all bad...
[07:50] <odie5533> well this particular client has a cd rom drive, ill try booting from it
[07:51] <odie5533> Is there anything special I need to do to edubuntu? or can I just plug the rj45 cord into the client and I'm done?
[07:51] <Yagisan> odie5533: nothing special, just plug the cord in
[07:52] <Yagisan> odie5533: you seem familiar
[07:52] <odie5533> ok, well gonna dc from irc. thanks for the help
[07:52] <Yagisan> no worries
[08:05] <odie5533> Yagisan: still there?
[08:07] <odie5533> When I boot a thin client it says No Ip Address
[08:09] <juliux> odie5533, check that the dhcp server is runnning
[08:09] <juliux> odie5533, and what is with our tuxpaint battle?
[08:23] <Yagisan> odie5533: just got back
[08:24] <Yagisan> odie5533: was your dhcp server running ?  ps ax | grep dhcpd3
[08:30] <odie5533> My thin client gets out of memory errors :S
[08:30] <odie5533> I thought thin clients were just that, thin clients, thus not needing an amazing amount of memory?
[08:41] <Yagisan> odie5533: how much ram does it have ?
[08:42] <Yagisan> odie5533: they don't need much ram, just enough to boot, display your screen and take care of the input.
[08:43] <Yagisan> odie5533: I needed 64MB in my thin clients. IIRC that is less then what commercial thin clients come with
[08:45] <odie5533> My think client has 32mb of RAM
[08:45] <odie5533> *thin
[08:45] <odie5533> I guess thats not enough...
[08:46] <Yagisan> odie5533: not for current edubuntu :(
[08:46] <odie5533> how much does an extra stick of 32mb ram cost?
[08:46] <Yagisan> odie5533: don't know, they don't sell that small anymore
[08:46] <Yagisan> odie5533: should be able to pick up some memory cheap on ebay
[08:47] <Yagisan> odie5533: what is your thin client ? p2, p3 ?
[08:47] <odie5533> p2
[08:47] <Yagisan> odie5533: you would need SDRAM
[08:47] <odie5533> I was gonna have a p3 run as a server, but it only has 64mb of ram, obviously not enough to run any clients...
[08:48] <odie5533> The 32mb strips on ebay are like $10 ea...
[08:48] <Yagisan> odie5533: that server needs more RAM
[08:48] <Yagisan> odie5533: look for bigger strips, they don't cost much must more
[08:48] <odie5533> if you don't mind me pasting ebay links... http://cgi.ebay.com/Lot-21-32MB-PC66-SDRAM-Memory-Tested-FREE-SHIPPING_W0QQitemZ6814269099QQcategoryZ14914QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[08:50] <odie5533> is that the type of memory that'd work?
[08:51] <Yagisan> odie5533: for the p2 yes
[08:51] <Yagisan> odie5533: for the p3 no
[08:51] <odie5533> oh?
[08:51] <odie5533> why not?
[08:52] <Yagisan> odie5533: old p2 can use pc66, pc100 or pc133 ram. newer p2 uses pc100 or pc133, p3 needs pc133
[08:54] <Yagisan> odie5533: this may be a better choice, depending on how old those p2 systems are http://cgi.ebay.com/lot-of-5-Pc100-64mb-320mb-sdram-memory-168-pin-ram_W0QQitemZ6813925980QQcategoryZ14916QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[08:54] <Yagisan> odie5533: happy shopping
[08:55] <odie5533> Yea... the alternative though is scrapping 2 of the p2's to allow there to be a client and a server with 96mb of ram and 64mb of ram... hmm
[08:56] <odie5533> whats the minimum amm of memory for a p3 server to run a few clients?
[08:59] <Yagisan> odie5533: I tend to allow about 64MB per simultaneous user on the server + 64MB buffer
[09:00] <Yagisan> odie5533: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing
[09:00] <odie5533> With that much memory the server can't hold what 5 clients tops?
[09:01] <odie5533> Is there a way to set a different window manager (such as xfce)?
[09:01] <odie5533> for the clients I mean
[09:03] <odie5533> and is there a way to boot off of the internet? IE have my pc at home boot the pc's at the school?
[09:03] <Yagisan> odie5533: I've never tried. You make all the changes on the server, I think that if you installed xubuntu on the server
[09:03] <Yagisan> odie5533: and removed ubuntu-desktop, that may work
[09:04] <Yagisan> odie5533: you don't want to try booting over the Internet, it's a) incredibly insecure, b) rather slow, c) more hassle then it's worth
[09:04] <odie5533> =/
[09:06] <odie5533> Is there a low memory linux that will run on a p2 with 32mb of ram?
[09:07] <Yagisan> odie5533: normal ltsp (not edubuntu) just squeezes into 32mb, and normal ubuntu runs (slowly)
[09:08] <Yagisan> odie5533: but no desktop linux really runs in less then 64mb of ram
[09:08] <Yagisan> odie5533: servers yes, desktops not really
[09:08] <odie5533> not even with like xfce?
[09:09] <Yagisan> odie5533: that helps, fluxbox and icewm use even less - but you'll need to do the install and measure the ram useage for us
[09:10] <Yagisan> odie5533: I measured what the clients use, but I can't take my server down - it's already in production
[09:10] <Yagisan> odie5533: no chance of buying more ram ?
[09:11] <odie5533> Kinda defeats the purpose of using an old pc as I see it
[09:11] <odie5533> The pcs were half a step from the garbage as it was
[09:11] <Yagisan> odie5533: I was talking about the server
[09:12] <Yagisan> odie5533: my clients are a several p2 64MB,  a k6/2 320MB
[09:12] <odie5533> erm, the server is running windows fine
[09:12] <Yagisan> odie5533: what version ?
[09:12] <odie5533> and I don't think my mom will like edubuntu over windows if its costs more than a dime
[09:12] <odie5533> 98
[09:13] <odie5533> the clients all had 98 too
[09:13] <Yagisan> odie5533: what applications, and how much swap did they use
[09:13] <odie5533> No idea on the Swap, applications were Microsoft Word (97/2000) and Internet Explorer
[09:14] <Yagisan> odie5533: that would be about 160MB swap + more depending on how many IE windows are open
[09:14] <odie5533> IE probably 1
[09:14] <Yagisan> odie5533: regardless of what you use, they need more ram
[09:14] <odie5533> well that is what they came with
[09:15] <odie5533> the p3 came from dell with 64mb ram, win98, and office 97, seems to work quite fine
[09:15] <odie5533> a bit slow, but its better than not booting and just saying out of memory
[09:15] <Yagisan> odie5533: off the shelf pc's are never sold with enough ram, so we can charge more for the upgrade
[09:16] <odie5533> Schools don't buy upgrades, at least this one doesn't
[09:16] <Yagisan> odie5533: that slowness is it needing to use swap just to start
[09:17] <Yagisan> ogra: ping
[09:17] <odie5533> Well kids don't normally start it, my mom just turned it on in the morning and off at night
[09:18] <Yagisan> odie5533: there may be a solution for getting the clients to start without buying more ram - I need to talk to the developer about it
[09:19] <Yagisan> odie5533: See if we can get network swap, or on disk swap running
[09:19] <Yagisan> odie5533: but get some more ram for the server, "borrow" it from another class
[09:20] <odie5533> I asked my mom about that. The principal got socked in the chest on thursday so it was a bad day to ask, and today she was bringing home the p3 server, can't ask for everything on the same day I suppose
[09:20] <odie5533> the pcs in all the classrooms really arent used and are going to be thrown out soon
[09:23] <Yagisan> odie5533: are they going to buy more pcs ?
[09:23] <odie5533> They bought a few new ones
[09:23] <odie5533> top of the line with flat screens
[09:23] <Yagisan> odie5533: for the classroom ?
[09:23] <odie5533> but the teachers are supposed to use em
[09:23] <odie5533> mainly just the teachers
[09:25] <odie5533> the pcs were bought with grant money I believe
[09:25] <odie5533> its probably one of if not the poorest district in the south side of chicago
[09:27] <Yagisan> odie5533: well, at least you can try out the server on the p3
[09:28] <odie5533> The others I suppose I'll just use windows
[09:28] <odie5533> I have a lot of educational software I can install, so not exactly a total loss
[09:30] <odie5533> well im gonna go to sleep. gnight Yagisan
[09:47] <highvoltage> geez, and i was just about to ask him about that tuxpaint tournament.
[09:55] <Yagisan> highvoltage: what tuxpaint tournament ?
[09:59] <highvoltage> i'm going to paste an older conversation below...
[09:59] <highvoltage> 08:24 < odie5533> how good are you in TuxPaint?
[09:59] <highvoltage> 08:24 < juliux> never used
[09:59] <highvoltage> 08:24 < odie5533> im probably better at it than you
[09:59] <highvoltage> 08:24 < juliux> yes
[09:59] <highvoltage> 08:24 < odie5533> Wanna have a TuxPaint Battle?
[09:59] <highvoltage> 08:24 < juliux> no thanks
[10:00] <highvoltage> 08:25 < odie5533> o
[10:00] <highvoltage> 08:25 < juliux> i have to go to university in a few minutes
[10:00] <highvoltage> 08:25 < odie5533> lets have the battle when you get back ok?
[10:00] <highvoltage> 08:25 < juliux> ok
[10:00] <highvoltage> 08:26 < odie5533> bring it on
[10:00] <highvoltage> 08:26 < juliux> i will do
[10:00] <highvoltage> 08:27 < juliux> at first i have to install it on my computer
[10:01] <Yagisan> highvoltage: hah
[10:02] <Yagisan> highvoltage: perhaps I should have my little girl submit an entry
[10:10] <enyc> ''TuxPaint Battle'' lol
[11:44] <davidbro> I have just installed Edubuntu - disabled IPV6 as is does not work with my system/server - Firefox works well now but I get timed out when I try and connect to the repositories?  Any ideas?
[02:57] <highvoltage> i just installed edubuntu, then i logged in, changed hostname, logged out, and when i ran sudo again, it said that it can't get my hostname by gethostname()
[02:57] <highvoltage> (yes, i know, very clever of me)
[02:57] <highvoltage> any way to use sudo and edit /etc/hosts withour rebooting?
[02:58] <juliux> ogra around?
[02:58] <highvoltage> nope
[02:59] <juliux> shit
[02:59] <juliux> i present gnome/ubuntu/edubuntu at a fair in germany
[02:59] <highvoltage> how did it go?
[02:59] <juliux> very very good
[02:59] <highvoltage> nice :)
[03:00] <juliux> we have a edubuntu server with one client
[03:00] <juliux> very nice to see
[03:02] <juliux> and a lot of visitors asks for edubuntu cds
[03:02] <highvoltage> which fair was this?
[03:03] <juliux> it is a linux info day at the univeristy of dresden/germany
[03:03] <juliux> www.linux-info-tag.de
[03:03] <highvoltage> they should get a freedom toaster there :)
[03:42] <zakame> hi all
[03:42] <highvoltage> hi zakame 
[03:48] <zakame> wazup here?
[03:50] <highvoltage> it's quietish.
[03:51] <highvoltage> everyone's at UBZ
[03:51] <zakame> adjusting, as I gather in -devel :)
[03:52] <highvoltage> :)
[03:57] <zakame> hi ogra ! :D
[03:58] <ogra> hola
[04:22] <highvoltage> hola ogra
[04:23] <ogra> hey highvoltage 
[04:30] <ajmitch_> hi ogra, how are you?
[04:31] <ogra> ajmitch_, fine, thanks...
[04:31] <ogra> are you all downstairs ? 
[04:34] <ajmitch_> ogra: I'm in my room at the hotel
[04:34] <ajmitch_> I've hardly seen anyone else around
[04:34] <JaneW> hi ajmitch_  and highvoltage 
[04:35] <highvoltage> JaneW: very cold there?
[04:36] <ajmitch_> highvoltage: not really
[04:36] <ajmitch_> rather disappointing actually
[04:36] <highvoltage> hehe/
[04:37] <JaneW> it's surprisingly warm today
[04:37] <JaneW> the conf room is colder than anything else ...
[04:37] <ajmitch_> JaneW: where do we actually meet up for ubuntu love day?
[04:44] <JaneW> ajmitch_: in the 'ballroom' downstairs, called Dahlia
[04:44] <JaneW> level S1
[04:45] <ajmitch_> ok, thanks :)
[05:51] <highvoltage> ifconfig
[05:51] <highvoltage> sorry, wrong keyboard
[08:08] <mhz> hi
[08:15] <highvoltage> hi mhz 
[08:16] <mhz> hi, Mr voltage
[08:16] <ogra> mhz, you need to get your gpg key signed... 
[08:17] <mhz> but i did yesterday, didn't i?
[08:17] <ogra> i checked your launchpad page this morning...
[08:17] <ogra> the *key* must be signed...
[08:17] <ogra> its not in the strong set if nobody signed it
[08:18] <mhz> hmmm, would you?
[08:18] <ogra> yes, but you need to meet in person to sign keys
[08:18] <ogra> so you would have to come here :/
[08:19] <ogra> its not that easy
[08:19] <mhz> see? as i said, I should have been there
[08:19] <ogra> do you know any debian developer near you ? 
[08:23] <mhz> debian developer in Chile? Just one, who lives far from me and with whom I have many discussions
[08:23] <mhz> regarding freedom
[08:23] <mhz> I can scan my ID card and send it :)
[08:23] <mhz> also my passport
[08:25] <mhz> ogra: will canonical support and pay for your tickets to Chile for our first Edubuntu Chilean Tour?
[08:27] <mhz> ogra: what other kind of people would be candidates to get my key signed ?
[08:27] <jsgotangco> errr why does mhz need his key signed?
[08:27] <mhz> hi jsgotangco
[08:27] <jsgotangco> mhz: people in the debian keyring if possible
[08:27] <jsgotangco> so that the connection will be established
[08:28] <mhz> yep, AFAIK, we have just one Chilean Debian developer
[08:28] <ogra> jsgotangco, because he goes for membership
[08:29] <jsgotangco> ogra: i thought membership didn't require a key...uploaders do...
[08:29] <ogra> he wants a chilenian mailing list... i cant do administration for something i cant rea :)
[08:29] <jsgotangco> ahhhh
[08:29] <ogra> membeship requires a signed code of conduct ...
[08:29] <ogra> signed with a valid key
[08:30] <ogra> mhz, look at biglumber.com if you find any other chilenian...
[08:30] <mhz> so, that would be the only pending requirement from me so far?
[08:30] <mhz> okidoki
[08:31] <ogra> yup
[08:32] <jsgotangco> mhz: just get your key signed by a DD preferably and you'll get connected easily
[08:32] <mhz> good point
[08:32] <mhz> .oO(gee! I was in peru talking about edubuntu 2 months ago. There was DD there!)
[08:32] <jsgotangco> im sure there is at least one person there who is well connected :)
[08:33] <mhz> heheh
[08:36] <mhz> coool! this guy has been working on many FreeTech projects I have been part of
[08:36] <mhz> http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?ev=28294;qh=2836
[08:40] <jsgotangco> mhz: http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/mk_path.cgi?FROM=531406B2&TO=9E379FC6&PATHS=trust+paths
[08:42] <mhz> cool! 3 of them know me well
[08:42] <mhz> thx, jsgotangco 
[09:01] <stef__> Hello.
[09:01] <stef__> I'n new to this, so go easy on me ;-)
[09:02] <stef__> anyone ?
[09:03] <stef__> Hmm, must be the timezone. I'll check in later. Bye.
[11:12] <highvoltage> edubot: Ubuntu is <reply> Ubuntu is a very popular GNU/Linux distribution. The word "Ubuntu" means humanity to others, and it's the philosophy that Ubuntu is built on. For more information, see http://www.ubuntu.com
[11:12] <edubot> highvoltage: sure thing
[11:13] <highvoltage> edubot: \sh is 
[11:13] <edubot> highvoltage: *blink*
[11:13] <highvoltage> edubot: \sh is Stephan Hermann
[11:13] <edubot> highvoltage: okay
[11:14] <highvoltage> edubot: ajmitch is Andrew Mitchell
[11:14] <edubot> highvoltage: okay
[11:15] <highvoltage> edubot: Seveas is Dennis Kaaremaaker
[11:15] <edubot> highvoltage: okay
[11:15] <Seveas> oh no, not more bots...
[11:16] <Seveas> ;)
[11:16] <highvoltage> Seveas: we're all going to be replaced by bots some day.
[11:16] <highvoltage> the problem is that a million monkey's have been typing relentlessly on IRC for decades, and nothing even closely resembles shakespear.
[11:17] <highvoltage> edubot: FAQ is <reply> The Edubuntu FAQ can be found on the Edubuntu wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuFAQ
[11:17] <edubot> highvoltage: gotcha
[11:20] <highvoltage> edubot: mwest is Matthew west
[11:20] <edubot> highvoltage: okay
[11:23] <Seveas> so we have a matthew east and a matthew west?
[11:23] <highvoltage> yep :)
[11:23] <highvoltage> i knew matthew west when i met metthew east, so it was a bit confusing for me too :)
[11:24] <highvoltage> edubot: jsgotangco is Jeremy Gotangco
[11:24] <edubot> highvoltage: gotcha
[11:29] <highvoltage> edubot: Documentation is <reply> Links to Edubuntu documentation can be found at http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation
[11:29] <edubot> highvoltage: gotcha
[11:56] <highvoltage> why did they write a gdm-keeps-crashing but not a nautilus-keeps-crashing... sigh.
[12:03] <KungFu> hola