[12:04] ogra: any ideas why my name is Mauricio Hernandez but when i am logged in, i appear as Mauriciohernandez and therefore I have to #redirect it to MauricioHernandez === JaneW [n=JaneW@66.103.220.208] has joined #edubuntu [12:18] JaneW: how are you doing? too cold? [12:20] mhz, jdub asks m if you cant do a more general ubuntu LoCo team ... [12:20] instead of something education related [12:21] (but covering it ... if i understood right= [12:21] ) [12:21] hmmm, yes why not :) === mhz is happy to help [12:23] actually i do know many chilean people already using ubuntu === mhz has given out at least 80 cds already [12:23] hi mhz [12:23] hey JaneW === JaneW just upgraded to breezy... it's doing surprising things, but I think I like it :) [12:24] hehehe [12:24] mhz: it;s actually not TOO cold outside - it is nippy though, except the air con is cold in this room! === mhz loves 17 C degrees [12:25] JaneW: do you have an specialist on designing surveys? [12:25] mhz: no I don't think so [12:26] ok === dabaR___ [n=dabaR@wnpgmb02dc1-148-148.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:26] JaneW: did you have a chance to read my email to you ? [12:26] help, my inbox is gone! [12:27] ? [12:27] gone? [12:27] wait, maybe that's a good thing ...;) [12:27] lol [12:27] ouch [12:27] yes, my e-mail all came up and looked normal, but there's no inbox [12:27] JaneW, seb128 maintains evolution ;) [12:27] he's on -devel [12:27] hmmmm, i use webmail interfaces [12:28] do you at least have the chance to keep mails on server side? === pitux [n=pitux@38-182-222-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [12:29] ogra: ok I'll ask him [12:57] ogra: i have just signed code of conduct and it feels good [12:57] :) [12:58] cool :) [12:58] .oO(gee! lot of pasword entering :) [12:59] you mentioned earlier that I should wiki a pae about myself, right. I already did so (some weeks ago). Anything relevant missing there? [01:06] ogra: how can i change this info in launchpad? : [01:06] Registered Details [01:06] Wiki: Mauriciohernandez, Mauriciohernandez [01:06] I do not want to be Mauriciohernandez but MauricioHernandez :) [01:07] there must be a edit function [01:08] hmm, yes but can't modify that [01:08] never mind, i'll mail the launchpad team [01:08] or ask in #launchpad ;) [01:08] hehehe === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === Seveaz [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [01:31] ogra: hhmmm there seems to be an intent for LoCo Team Latinoamerica by RolandoBlanco [01:31] make it a chilenian LoCo [01:32] hehe, yes but are you sure i'm not gonna be reinventing the wheel or doubling the work? [01:40] i know jeff isnt happy with a latin ameriacan LoCo, its just to big [01:40] Lo==(Local) Co==(community) [01:42] good point === mhz is then editing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda [01:45] :) [01:53] just maybe (hope) one last question. Non english speakers/people interested in edubuntu (not necessarily Linux stuff, like ubuntu) development, where should they address to? if we focus on ChileanLoCo team won't we be giving a different 1st impresion? IMHO, edubuntu is linux tools esp. oriented for schools, teachers, and students needs, more than how do i do this ir that on linux. Edubuntu is way diiferent from a normal ubuntu user, or not? [01:55] thats my opinion too.. but it needs to be discussed more... [01:55] normally it should be that every country has a community ... so you can get support and help as well as fair presence from this team... [01:56] dinner [02:04] dinner time for me too [03:20] i have a question [03:20] for enter to schooltool el user is? [03:20] for enter to schooltool ,the user is? [03:20] the password is? === \sh_away is now known as \sh [03:22] pitux: did you try #schooltool [03:22] ohhhh thanks [03:22] read mhz read [03:22] hehehehe [03:23] no lu pude evitar [03:23] is my english very bad? [03:23] not at all [03:23] communication is important [03:23] more than perfect syntaxis === Nancy_ [n=nancy@ppp-69-223-66-79.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-83-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === \sh is now known as \sh_away === odie5533 [n=odie5533@c-67-173-60-105.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-69-69-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [07:26] I just set up a normal edubuntu install and when I went to boot a thin client it just went into windows instead of into Edubuntu. Any ideas? [07:27] odie5533: did you have a boot floppy or boot cd in the client ? does the client support pxe ? [07:27] boot floppy. It doesn't support PXE. [07:28] odie5533: it obviously didn't boot from the floppy then. Check the BIOS settings on the client and make sure it boots from "A:" first [07:29] I did, and it is [07:29] is there anyway to read the floppy from linux? [07:29] odie5533: not the etherboot floppies, they are only a bootloader [07:30] Do the floppies say anything if they are booted too? [07:30] odie5533: yes, they that a display saying looking for server for a few seconds [07:31] s/sthat/have [07:31] I didn't get that. I have a feeling that my floppy drive on the server (this pc, which I made the floppy on) is bad. Anyway to test that? [07:31] odie5533: did the floppy drive light turn on and drive spin up ? [07:31] On the server, yes [07:32] odie5533: what about on the client ? [07:32] I believe so. The floppy drive works on the client I am sure, I was using it in windows [07:32] odie5533: possibly a bad disk. [07:33] odie5533: how did you make the floppy ? [07:33] the dd command [07:33] how do I format a floppy to vfat in edubuntu? [07:33] (just to test itP) [07:34] mkfs.vfat -c /dev/fd0 [07:35] it says it found bad blocks [07:35] that bad? [07:36] it means fault floppy disk [07:36] faulty [07:36] all 3 of my floppy disks say that :S seems I need to invest more in floppy disks [07:36] tends to happen with older disks [07:37] I think these are about as old as they come [07:37] heh - I still have 5.25" around, and the drive they go in [07:39] Still have one? my other pc has one hooked up and running :S [07:40] I got about 1000 of those 5.25" disks to go with it too [07:40] it says its bad on all of these. They worked in windows? [07:40] on my other pc [07:41] odie5533: probably not, windows will happily write to bad sectors and not check if the data was written correctly [07:41] odie5533: you only find out when you try to read the data back [07:42] odie5533: put them in the windows pc and run scandisk on them, it will also say faulty [07:45] Can you run a scandisk w/o formatting the disk? [07:46] yes - there should be a menu item for it [07:48] Hmm windows won't format them... gives me errors. Suppose they are all bad... [07:50] well this particular client has a cd rom drive, ill try booting from it [07:51] Is there anything special I need to do to edubuntu? or can I just plug the rj45 cord into the client and I'm done? [07:51] odie5533: nothing special, just plug the cord in [07:52] odie5533: you seem familiar [07:52] ok, well gonna dc from irc. thanks for the help [07:52] no worries === juliux [n=juliux@141.30.211.85] has joined #edubuntu === odie5533 [n=odie5533@c-67-173-60-105.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:05] Yagisan: still there? [08:07] When I boot a thin client it says No Ip Address [08:09] odie5533, check that the dhcp server is runnning [08:09] odie5533, and what is with our tuxpaint battle? [08:23] odie5533: just got back [08:24] odie5533: was your dhcp server running ? ps ax | grep dhcpd3 === odie5533 [n=odie5533@c-67-173-60-105.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:30] My thin client gets out of memory errors :S [08:30] I thought thin clients were just that, thin clients, thus not needing an amazing amount of memory? [08:41] odie5533: how much ram does it have ? [08:42] odie5533: they don't need much ram, just enough to boot, display your screen and take care of the input. [08:43] odie5533: I needed 64MB in my thin clients. IIRC that is less then what commercial thin clients come with [08:45] My think client has 32mb of RAM [08:45] *thin [08:45] I guess thats not enough... [08:46] odie5533: not for current edubuntu :( [08:46] how much does an extra stick of 32mb ram cost? [08:46] odie5533: don't know, they don't sell that small anymore [08:46] odie5533: should be able to pick up some memory cheap on ebay [08:47] odie5533: what is your thin client ? p2, p3 ? [08:47] p2 [08:47] odie5533: you would need SDRAM [08:47] I was gonna have a p3 run as a server, but it only has 64mb of ram, obviously not enough to run any clients... [08:48] The 32mb strips on ebay are like $10 ea... [08:48] odie5533: that server needs more RAM [08:48] odie5533: look for bigger strips, they don't cost much must more [08:48] if you don't mind me pasting ebay links... http://cgi.ebay.com/Lot-21-32MB-PC66-SDRAM-Memory-Tested-FREE-SHIPPING_W0QQitemZ6814269099QQcategoryZ14914QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem [08:50] is that the type of memory that'd work? [08:51] odie5533: for the p2 yes [08:51] odie5533: for the p3 no [08:51] oh? [08:51] why not? [08:52] odie5533: old p2 can use pc66, pc100 or pc133 ram. newer p2 uses pc100 or pc133, p3 needs pc133 [08:54] odie5533: this may be a better choice, depending on how old those p2 systems are http://cgi.ebay.com/lot-of-5-Pc100-64mb-320mb-sdram-memory-168-pin-ram_W0QQitemZ6813925980QQcategoryZ14916QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem [08:54] odie5533: happy shopping [08:55] Yea... the alternative though is scrapping 2 of the p2's to allow there to be a client and a server with 96mb of ram and 64mb of ram... hmm [08:56] whats the minimum amm of memory for a p3 server to run a few clients? [08:59] odie5533: I tend to allow about 64MB per simultaneous user on the server + 64MB buffer [09:00] odie5533: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing [09:00] With that much memory the server can't hold what 5 clients tops? [09:01] Is there a way to set a different window manager (such as xfce)? [09:01] for the clients I mean [09:03] and is there a way to boot off of the internet? IE have my pc at home boot the pc's at the school? [09:03] odie5533: I've never tried. You make all the changes on the server, I think that if you installed xubuntu on the server [09:03] odie5533: and removed ubuntu-desktop, that may work [09:04] odie5533: you don't want to try booting over the Internet, it's a) incredibly insecure, b) rather slow, c) more hassle then it's worth [09:04] =/ [09:06] Is there a low memory linux that will run on a p2 with 32mb of ram? [09:07] odie5533: normal ltsp (not edubuntu) just squeezes into 32mb, and normal ubuntu runs (slowly) [09:08] odie5533: but no desktop linux really runs in less then 64mb of ram [09:08] odie5533: servers yes, desktops not really [09:08] not even with like xfce? [09:09] odie5533: that helps, fluxbox and icewm use even less - but you'll need to do the install and measure the ram useage for us [09:10] odie5533: I measured what the clients use, but I can't take my server down - it's already in production [09:10] odie5533: no chance of buying more ram ? [09:11] Kinda defeats the purpose of using an old pc as I see it [09:11] The pcs were half a step from the garbage as it was [09:11] odie5533: I was talking about the server [09:12] odie5533: my clients are a several p2 64MB, a k6/2 320MB [09:12] erm, the server is running windows fine [09:12] odie5533: what version ? [09:12] and I don't think my mom will like edubuntu over windows if its costs more than a dime [09:12] 98 [09:13] the clients all had 98 too [09:13] odie5533: what applications, and how much swap did they use [09:13] No idea on the Swap, applications were Microsoft Word (97/2000) and Internet Explorer [09:14] odie5533: that would be about 160MB swap + more depending on how many IE windows are open [09:14] IE probably 1 [09:14] odie5533: regardless of what you use, they need more ram [09:14] well that is what they came with [09:15] the p3 came from dell with 64mb ram, win98, and office 97, seems to work quite fine [09:15] a bit slow, but its better than not booting and just saying out of memory [09:15] odie5533: off the shelf pc's are never sold with enough ram, so we can charge more for the upgrade [09:16] Schools don't buy upgrades, at least this one doesn't [09:16] odie5533: that slowness is it needing to use swap just to start [09:17] ogra: ping [09:17] Well kids don't normally start it, my mom just turned it on in the morning and off at night [09:18] odie5533: there may be a solution for getting the clients to start without buying more ram - I need to talk to the developer about it [09:19] odie5533: See if we can get network swap, or on disk swap running [09:19] odie5533: but get some more ram for the server, "borrow" it from another class [09:20] I asked my mom about that. The principal got socked in the chest on thursday so it was a bad day to ask, and today she was bringing home the p3 server, can't ask for everything on the same day I suppose [09:20] the pcs in all the classrooms really arent used and are going to be thrown out soon [09:23] odie5533: are they going to buy more pcs ? [09:23] They bought a few new ones [09:23] top of the line with flat screens [09:23] odie5533: for the classroom ? [09:23] but the teachers are supposed to use em [09:23] mainly just the teachers [09:25] the pcs were bought with grant money I believe [09:25] its probably one of if not the poorest district in the south side of chicago [09:27] odie5533: well, at least you can try out the server on the p3 [09:28] The others I suppose I'll just use windows [09:28] I have a lot of educational software I can install, so not exactly a total loss [09:30] well im gonna go to sleep. gnight Yagisan [09:47] geez, and i was just about to ask him about that tuxpaint tournament. [09:55] highvoltage: what tuxpaint tournament ? [09:59] i'm going to paste an older conversation below... [09:59] 08:24 < odie5533> how good are you in TuxPaint? [09:59] 08:24 < juliux> never used [09:59] 08:24 < odie5533> im probably better at it than you [09:59] 08:24 < juliux> yes [09:59] 08:24 < odie5533> Wanna have a TuxPaint Battle? [09:59] 08:24 < juliux> no thanks [10:00] 08:25 < odie5533> o [10:00] 08:25 < juliux> i have to go to university in a few minutes [10:00] 08:25 < odie5533> lets have the battle when you get back ok? [10:00] 08:25 < juliux> ok [10:00] 08:26 < odie5533> bring it on [10:00] 08:26 < juliux> i will do [10:00] 08:27 < juliux> at first i have to install it on my computer [10:01] highvoltage: hah [10:02] highvoltage: perhaps I should have my little girl submit an entry [10:10] ''TuxPaint Battle'' lol === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-166-231.tri-isys.com] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === sven-tek [n=sven-tek@p508E6D08.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === davidbro [n=david@i-195-137-20-218.freedom2surf.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:44] I have just installed Edubuntu - disabled IPV6 as is does not work with my system/server - Firefox works well now but I get timed out when I try and connect to the repositories? Any ideas? === bdoin [n=coudoin@bla31-1-82-228-70-121.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === kurtkraut is now known as KurtKraut === jinty [n=jinty@G98fa.g.pppool.de] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@G98fa.g.pppool.de] has joined #edubuntu === bluefrog-10 [n=james@81.56.254.229] has joined #edubuntu === sven-tek [n=sven-tek@p508E5101.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === bluefrog-10 [n=james@81.56.254.229] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@141.30.69.9] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.247] has joined #edubuntu [02:57] i just installed edubuntu, then i logged in, changed hostname, logged out, and when i ran sudo again, it said that it can't get my hostname by gethostname() [02:57] (yes, i know, very clever of me) [02:57] any way to use sudo and edit /etc/hosts withour rebooting? [02:58] ogra around? [02:58] nope [02:59] shit [02:59] i present gnome/ubuntu/edubuntu at a fair in germany [02:59] how did it go? [02:59] very very good [02:59] nice :) [03:00] we have a edubuntu server with one client [03:00] very nice to see [03:02] and a lot of visitors asks for edubuntu cds [03:02] which fair was this? [03:03] it is a linux info day at the univeristy of dresden/germany [03:03] www.linux-info-tag.de [03:03] they should get a freedom toaster there :) === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-83-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === prasys [n=prasys@about/cooking/nakedchef/cookies/pdpc.supporter.student.prasys] has joined #edubuntu === prasys [n=prasys@about/cooking/nakedchef/cookies/pdpc.supporter.student.prasys] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu [03:42] hi all [03:42] hi zakame [03:48] wazup here? [03:50] it's quietish. [03:51] everyone's at UBZ [03:51] adjusting, as I gather in -devel :) [03:52] :) === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [03:57] hi ogra ! :D [03:58] hola === JaneW [n=JaneW@66.103.220.208] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-69-69-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [04:22] hola ogra [04:23] hey highvoltage [04:30] hi ogra, how are you? === ajmitch_ waves to JaneW [04:31] ajmitch_, fine, thanks... [04:31] are you all downstairs ? === highvoltage ~)))'s JaneW [04:34] ogra: I'm in my room at the hotel [04:34] I've hardly seen anyone else around === sven-tek [n=sven-tek@p508E5101.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:34] hi ajmitch_ and highvoltage [04:35] JaneW: very cold there? [04:36] highvoltage: not really [04:36] rather disappointing actually [04:36] hehe/ [04:37] it's surprisingly warm today [04:37] the conf room is colder than anything else ... === ajmitch_ saw fabbione on his way in, and met with riddell a few minutes ago [04:37] JaneW: where do we actually meet up for ubuntu love day? === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.247] has joined #edubuntu [04:44] ajmitch_: in the 'ballroom' downstairs, called Dahlia [04:44] level S1 [04:45] ok, thanks :) === ajmitch_ would hate to be wandering around lost tomorrow morning ) === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.240.251.191] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === pitux [n=pitux@162-183-222-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === sven-tek_ [n=sven-tek@p508E6F3B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:51] ifconfig [05:51] sorry, wrong keyboard === pi-tux [n=pitux@227-185-222-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === bluefrog-10 [n=james@81.56.254.229] has joined #edubuntu === ikks [n=igor@201.245.14.218] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@G92e8.g.pppool.de] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #edubuntu [08:08] hi [08:15] hi mhz [08:16] hi, Mr voltage [08:16] mhz, you need to get your gpg key signed... [08:17] but i did yesterday, didn't i? [08:17] i checked your launchpad page this morning... [08:17] the *key* must be signed... [08:17] its not in the strong set if nobody signed it [08:18] hmmm, would you? [08:18] yes, but you need to meet in person to sign keys [08:18] so you would have to come here :/ [08:19] its not that easy [08:19] see? as i said, I should have been there [08:19] do you know any debian developer near you ? [08:23] debian developer in Chile? Just one, who lives far from me and with whom I have many discussions [08:23] regarding freedom [08:23] I can scan my ID card and send it :) [08:23] also my passport [08:25] ogra: will canonical support and pay for your tickets to Chile for our first Edubuntu Chilean Tour? [08:27] ogra: what other kind of people would be candidates to get my key signed ? [08:27] errr why does mhz need his key signed? [08:27] hi jsgotangco [08:27] mhz: people in the debian keyring if possible [08:27] so that the connection will be established [08:28] yep, AFAIK, we have just one Chilean Debian developer [08:28] jsgotangco, because he goes for membership [08:29] ogra: i thought membership didn't require a key...uploaders do... [08:29] he wants a chilenian mailing list... i cant do administration for something i cant rea :) [08:29] ahhhh [08:29] membeship requires a signed code of conduct ... [08:29] signed with a valid key [08:30] mhz, look at biglumber.com if you find any other chilenian... [08:30] so, that would be the only pending requirement from me so far? [08:30] okidoki [08:31] yup [08:32] mhz: just get your key signed by a DD preferably and you'll get connected easily [08:32] good point [08:32] .oO(gee! I was in peru talking about edubuntu 2 months ago. There was DD there!) [08:32] im sure there is at least one person there who is well connected :) [08:33] heheh [08:36] coool! this guy has been working on many FreeTech projects I have been part of [08:36] http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?ev=28294;qh=2836 === mhz is calling the guy [08:40] mhz: http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/mk_path.cgi?FROM=531406B2&TO=9E379FC6&PATHS=trust+paths [08:42] cool! 3 of them know me well [08:42] thx, jsgotangco === mhz leaving === stef__ [n=stef@a82-93-84-128.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #edubuntu [09:01] Hello. [09:01] I'n new to this, so go easy on me ;-) [09:02] anyone ? [09:03] Hmm, must be the timezone. I'll check in later. Bye. === bluefrog-10 [n=james@81.56.254.229] has joined #edubuntu === pitux [n=pitux@227-185-222-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === hoaryuser [n=ove@99.82-134-62.bkkb.no] has joined #edubuntu === edubot [n=knab@196.7.130.247] has joined #edubuntu [11:12] edubot: Ubuntu is Ubuntu is a very popular GNU/Linux distribution. The word "Ubuntu" means humanity to others, and it's the philosophy that Ubuntu is built on. For more information, see http://www.ubuntu.com [11:12] highvoltage: sure thing [11:13] edubot: \sh is [11:13] highvoltage: *blink* [11:13] edubot: \sh is Stephan Hermann [11:13] highvoltage: okay [11:14] edubot: ajmitch is Andrew Mitchell [11:14] highvoltage: okay [11:15] edubot: Seveas is Dennis Kaaremaaker [11:15] highvoltage: okay [11:15] oh no, not more bots... [11:16] ;) [11:16] Seveas: we're all going to be replaced by bots some day. [11:16] the problem is that a million monkey's have been typing relentlessly on IRC for decades, and nothing even closely resembles shakespear. [11:17] edubot: FAQ is The Edubuntu FAQ can be found on the Edubuntu wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuFAQ [11:17] highvoltage: gotcha [11:20] edubot: mwest is Matthew west [11:20] highvoltage: okay [11:23] so we have a matthew east and a matthew west? [11:23] yep :) [11:23] i knew matthew west when i met metthew east, so it was a bit confusing for me too :) [11:24] edubot: jsgotangco is Jeremy Gotangco [11:24] highvoltage: gotcha [11:29] edubot: Documentation is Links to Edubuntu documentation can be found at http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation [11:29] highvoltage: gotcha === edubot [n=knab@196.7.130.247] has joined #edubuntu [11:56] why did they write a gdm-keeps-crashing but not a nautilus-keeps-crashing... sigh. === KungFu [n=KungFuGr@pcp0011578679pcs.dalect01.va.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:03] hola