[02:21] <_Tonio_> hi
[04:59] <Riddell> grr, kipi and kexif both have unnecessary c2 on theirlibraries
[04:59] <Riddell> in debian
[05:10] <\sh> we removed it during breezy cycle
[05:11] <Riddell> \sh: and debian added it back
[05:11] <\sh> grmpf
[05:12] <\sh> but why? the request to remove it came from a debian guy..because there is no c++ exported interface somehow
[05:13] <Riddell>   * Change libkexifc2 package name to libkexif1c2 to match ubuntu
[05:13] <Riddell> also
[05:13] <Riddell>   * Grab ubuntu gcc4_fixes.diff patch. Wish we would work together and
[05:13] <Riddell>     not duplicate efforts
[05:14] <\sh> I think i have to forget about anything right now...my stomach turns, and i'm not even sitting in the plane yet
[05:14] <\sh> thx delta airlines
[06:20] <\sh> Riddell: see u in montreal later today :)
[04:18] <lamont>  and makes raspberry noises.
[04:20] <jpatrick> ?
[07:00] <cmvo> Riddell: ping
[07:00] <Riddell> hi cmvo 
[07:01] <cmvo> Hi! I finaly got a usefull debdiff. I sent it to your ubuntu email address.
[07:01] <Riddell> great, thanks :)
[07:01] <Riddell> we just need to find some testers
[07:03] <hunger> If you do not mind me testing on dapper with kde 3.5 beta that is.
[07:03] <Riddell> hunger: you'll have to recompile all of kdebase too
[07:04] <hunger> Riddell: That is not too stable here at the moment anyway... I don't mind doing that if it is painless.
[07:04] <Riddell> hunger: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kdebase_3.4.3_0ubuntu5.debdiff
[07:04] <hunger> What do I do with a debdiff?
[07:05] <Riddell> you'llprobably need to just apply that by hand against 3.5
[07:05] <Riddell> make sure you have 3.5 deb-src in sources.list
[07:05] <Riddell> apt-get source kdebase
[07:05] <Riddell> cd kdebase
[07:05] <Riddell> apply patch by hand
[07:06] <Riddell> apt-get build-dep kdebase && debuild
[07:06] <Riddell> go for walk
[07:06] <Riddell> cd ..
[07:06] <Riddell> dpkg --install kdebase-bin*deb
[07:06] <hunger> Riddell Sounds easy...
[07:06] <Riddell> hunger: do ou currenly have the admin problem?[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D
[07:08] <hunger> Riddell: Dunno. What is the admin problem?
[07:08] <jpatrick> hunger: the kdesu bug
[07:11] <jpatrick> hunger: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8681
[07:12] <hunger_> Sorry... lost my connection.
[07:12] <hunger_> What is the admin problem?
[07:12] <Riddell> 18:08 < jpatrick> hunger: the kdesu bug
[07:12] <Riddell> 18:10 < jpatrick> hunger: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8681
[07:13] <verwilst> hellow guys!
[07:13] <jpatrick> verwilst: hello
[07:14] <hunger_> I guess so...
[07:14] <Riddell> ** #ubz for conference discussion
[07:15] <jpatrick> anyone seen jjesse ?
[07:15] <hunger_> Works for me...
[07:15] <Riddell> not recently
[07:15] <hunger_> I do not have the kdesu bug (at least not for kdm).
[07:15] <Riddell> hunger: well if you want to compile them anyway that would be cool for giving to other people who are testing
[07:16] <jpatrick> I want to start on the docs
[07:16] <hunger_> Riddell: I can compile the stuff, no problem.
[07:16] <jpatrick> emailed him a week ago
[07:19] <amu> Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.org/~amu/kunterbuntu-livecd-3.5b2-i386-de-7.iso :)
[07:20] <hunger_> Riddell: Patch applies cleanly (apart from the changelog entry.)
[07:20] <Riddell> amu: ooh?  what's on that?
[07:20] <Riddell> kunterbuntu sounds quite bad in english
[07:20] <verwilst> kunterbuntu?
[07:20] <Riddell> then again kubuntu sounds bad in portgese and malasian
[07:20] <amu> it breezy with 3.5b2, desktop comes without questions and just starts in german
[07:21] <hunger_> Riddell: Aehm... how was that build command again?
[07:21] <verwilst> (k)ubuntu already sounds strange for most people
[07:21] <verwilst> _always_ i hear "what? mobutu?"
[07:21] <Riddell> 18:05 < Riddell> make sure you have 3.5 deb-src in sources.list
[07:21] <Riddell> 18:05 < Riddell> apt-get source kdebase
[07:21] <Riddell> 18:05 < Riddell> cd kdebase
[07:21] <Riddell> 18:05 < Riddell> apply patch by hand
[07:21] <Riddell> 18:06 < Riddell> apt-get build-dep kdebase && debuild
[07:21] <Riddell> 18:06 < Riddell> go for walk
[07:21] <Riddell> 18:06 < Riddell> cd ..
[07:21] <Riddell> 18:06 < Riddell> dpkg --install kdebase-bin*deb
[07:21] <hunger_> Aehm... yes.
[07:21] <verwilst> Riddell, building kdelibs with debug ;)
[07:21] <verwilst> only added debug to the DEB_OPTION thingy
[07:22] <verwilst> and checking if it works
[07:22] <Riddell> amu: what does the name mean?
[07:22] <amu> something like : "all in a tumble"untu 
[07:22] <hunger_> Wow... lots of builddebs on that one...
[07:26] <Riddell> amu: want me to announce it on kubuntu.org?
[07:27] <hunger_> Does fakeroot not work for building kde debs?
[07:27] <Riddell> hunger_: fakeroot is required
[07:27] <amu> Riddell: thx, no need,  ... it's only an upgrade and the first image, i need some re: from the germans ...
[07:28] <hunger> Riddell: "fakeroot debuild" stops...
[07:28] <Riddell> hunger: just run debuild
[07:28] <Riddell> it should call fakeroot for you
[07:29] <hunger> Oh... always used dpkg-buildpackage so far.
[07:30] <hunger> OK, building.
[07:30] <Riddell> debuild calls dpkg-buildpackage but has some extra checks
[07:30] <amu> Riddell: makes more sense if i build in feature different isos with differents lang presetuped, the boot is much more faster, and if the desktop comes up without questions, looks much more better than before 
[07:30] <Riddell> amu: how do you getit without questions?
[07:31] <amu> added it to "syslinux append 
[07:32] <Riddell> clever
[07:32] <Riddell> we should adapt the gnome live cd scripts to kde
[07:32] <amu> allready done :) it works but not too smart :)
[07:33] <hunger> Riddell: Will kde 3.5beta make it into dapper soon?
[07:33] <amu> in generall i miss some error exceptions, and the cleanup isnt well done
[07:33] <Riddell> hunger: probably after the conference
[07:33] <Riddell> so week after next
[07:33] <hunger> Riddell: I am building with the dapper toolchain... might that cause problems with the other stuff that is breezy?
[07:34] <hunger> Riddell: Yeap, thought so already.
[07:34] <Riddell> hunger: yes it will
[07:34] <hunger> Riddell: So should I start with qt, kdelibs, ...
[07:35] <Riddell> hunger: no, use a breezy chroot
[07:35] <hunger> Riddell: Riddell: Nah... I do not have the hdd space for that.
[07:37] <hunger> Riddell: This is a tiny little laptop I got here.
[08:55] <verwilst> 20M     kdelibs4c2-dbg_3.4.92-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[08:55] <cmvo> Got to go. Cuagn
[09:33] <verwilst> cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde3/kcm_konsole.la': No such file or directory
[09:33] <verwilst> dh_install: command returned error code 256
[09:33] <verwilst> any idea? :$
[09:33] <verwilst> kdebase :$
[09:34] <Riddell> verwilst: what sources?
[09:34] <jpatrick> kdebase i guess
[09:38] <Riddell> but which version
[09:38] <Riddell> and compiled on what
[09:38] <Riddell> .la files can usually be ignored
[09:41] <jpatrick> what are .la's?
[09:41] <jpatrick> libtool library files?
[09:41] <Riddell> libtool thingies
[09:57] <verwilst> Riddell, 3.5beta2
[09:57] <verwilst> just apt-get sourced it
[09:57] <verwilst> added debug to debian/rules
[09:57] <verwilst> and debuild
[09:58] <verwilst> and it gives me this error near the end :(
[09:58] <Riddell> verwilst: remove that files from debian/*install
[10:02] <Riddell> debuild -nc  to restart
[10:02] <Riddell> without clearing
[10:02] <verwilst> but why doesn't the non-debug install complain?
[10:02] <verwilst> hehe i know ;)
[10:02] <verwilst> already doing that
[10:22] <Riddell> what should I talk about in my kubuntu talk?
[10:22] <jpatrick> Kubuntu Forums
[10:23] <Riddell> what to say about them?
[10:23] <jpatrick> :|
[10:24] <Riddell> I should just make a straight line with my mout?
[10:24] <Riddell> mouth
[10:27] <Riddell> Mez: new k3b out
[10:27] <Riddell> hi CaiN_SA, where are you?
[10:27] <CaiN_SA> in the hotel :)
[10:28] <Riddell> but where?  it's a big hotel
[10:28] <CaiN_CaN> lol
[10:28] <CaiN_CaN> room 504
[10:29] <Riddell> anything exciting happening up there?
[10:29] <CaiN_CaN> you ?
[10:29] <CaiN_CaN> nope
[10:29] <CaiN_CaN> where you now ?
[10:29] <Riddell> in my room, 332, trying to think what to say in my talk
[10:29] <CaiN_CaN> ah ok
[10:29] <CaiN_CaN> you sitting in your room /
[10:30] <CaiN_CaN> ?
[10:30] <Riddell> yes
[10:30] <CaiN_CaN> ah ok
[10:30] <Riddell> come down and tell me what to say
[10:31] <CaiN_CaN> you went round town yet ?
[10:31] <CaiN_CaN> lol kk
[10:31] <CaiN_CaN> ross is rubbish talker
[10:31] <CaiN_CaN> he will :P
[10:31] <CaiN_CaN> be there in little while
[10:36] <Riddell> Mez: what' happening with backports?
[10:37] <Riddell> jpatrick: hmm, it's not on the download page
[10:39] <CaiN_CaN> k comming Riddell 
[10:52] <verwilst> cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde3/kcm_konsole.so': No such file or directory
[10:52] <verwilst> wtf
[11:04] <verwilst> bleh how come these files aren't there? :(
[11:11] <verwilst> btw is there a deb for kdevelop 3.3beta2? ;)
[11:46] <Sime> That was strange. I had trouble running Adept. First it complained about not being able to talk to the DCOP server, and then
[11:47] <Sime> Adept appeared with the wrong widget style. I turned it off. Ran kbuildsyscoa, and tried again. Then everything went ok.
[11:47] <Sime> ksyscoca problem in breezy??
[11:51] <Riddell> kdesu maybe
[11:51] <Riddell> Sime: can you run kcontrol modules as admin?
[11:52] <Sime> Riddell: don't think so. A ksudo dialog didn't appear....
[11:52] <Sime> Riddell: system services just worked normally. Users&Group didn't...
[11:53] <Sime> Riddell: ok, now User&Groups is working too.
[11:54] <Riddell> spooky