[12:10] <bradb> Allez-vous souper en quelque part  soir vous autres?
[12:11] <kiko> oai
[12:11] <kiko> mas je sais pas ou
[12:11] <kiko> e pas maintenant
[12:11] <bradb> Vers quelle heure d'abord?
[12:11] <kiko> hmmm
[12:11] <kiko> +/- 20h?
[12:11] <bradb> ok
[01:09] <mhz> hi there
[01:09] <mhz> I would like to change something.
[01:09] <mhz> I have this in my launchpad page:
[01:09] <mhz> Registered Details
[01:09] <mhz> Wiki: 	Mauriciohernandez, Mauriciohernandez 
[01:09] <mhz> and I'd like it to be MauricioHernandez instead
[01:09] <lifeless> Kinnison: first-merge!
[01:10] <mhz> any ideas?
[01:12] <kiko> mhz, https://launchpad.net/people/mhz/+editwikinames
[01:12] <kiko> mhz, can you file a bug on that link being missing from the personal page?
[01:13] <mhz> kiko thx
[01:13] <mhz> kiko, i didn't quite understand your question
[01:13] <mhz> sorry
[01:14] <kiko> mhz, there is no link at /people/mhz to that page
[01:14] <kiko> that's a bug
[01:14] <kiko> use launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+filebug
[01:14] <mhz> oh, but why it is a bug?
[01:14] <mhz> afaik, that is not "bug" because..
[01:15] <mhz> it just does not have the 'edit'your wiki names option
[01:15] <mhz> or we consider bug 'mis configuration' options too?
[01:16] <mhz> if so, then, yes, i file a bug immediately
[01:16] <mhz> :D
[01:21] <SteveA> spiv: hello
 it just does not have the 'edit'your wiki names option
[01:21] <kiko> that' s the bug
[01:21] <kiko> what is the other bug, misconfigured options?
[01:21] <kiko> that I didn't understand.
[01:21] <elmo> kiko: STEP AWAY FROM THE 'Disable this account forever' BUTTON
[01:22] <mhz> kiko: ah, then we agree. Misconfigured options? sorry, my bad english attacks everytime i am sick
[01:22] <mhz> nothing misconfigured
[01:23] <kiko> elmo, I am trying but my mouse pointer seems irresistably attracted to it
[01:23] <mhz> kiko: sorry for the question, but is Robottom your lastname? if so, where's it from?
[01:24] <lifeless> his birth certificate ?
[01:24] <kiko> mhz, it's my middle name. it's from central england -- hinkley.
[01:24] <mhz> oh, ok.
[01:24] <mhz> (just curious)
[01:25] <kiko> it very rare I think
[01:26] <kiko> derives from "Rue bottom" because it refers to leaves that gather at the bottom of a valley IIRC
[01:26] <kiko> anyway
[01:26] <kiko> spec time
[01:28] <kiko> thanks
[01:29] <mhz> your welcome
[01:30] <lifeless> dinner time
[02:24] <Kinnison> ciao all
[02:24] <Kinnison> lifeless: yeah, I rock
[03:13] <matsubara> good morning!
[03:16] <lifeless> stub: 12 minutes !?
[03:16] <lifeless> stub: something wrong there
[03:17] <lifeless> stub I am updating bzr in rollouts now
[03:37] <highvoltage> hi. when i try to access pages on launchpad i get an error message "Error trying to validate certificate from launchpad.net using OCSP - directory lookup error."
[03:37] <highvoltage> something wrong on my side?
[03:38] <matsubara> I'm having a Timeout error with advanced  bug search, does anybody know if that is a known issue?
[03:42] <jamesh> highvoltage: I don't think that is something under our control
[03:42] <highvoltage> jamesh: ok. i'll try again later.
[03:43] <jamesh> highvoltage: the error probably comes from asking Thawte if our SSL cert has been revoked, and not being able to connect
[03:43] <jamesh> highvoltage: could be a problem at their end, or a firewalling problem at your end
[03:43] <jamesh> highvoltage: is it preventing you from accessing the website?
[03:43] <highvoltage> the ubuntu websire?
[03:44] <stub> lifeless: eh?
[03:44] <jamesh> launchpad.net
[03:44] <highvoltage> yes, launchpad.net gives same error.
[03:44] <stub> lifeless: oh - timings
[03:44] <lifeless> stub: 12 minutes for a pull --overwrite is unexpectedly long
[03:45] <lifeless> stub: note that chinstrap is *extremely slow* right now
[03:45] <stub> lifeless: I see network traffic, so it is doing something.
[03:45] <stub> lifeless: slightly ;)
[03:46] <lifeless> a pull overwite requires downloading the revision-history file, and if the branch is already fully merged up with rf, no other data.
[03:47] <lifeless> if it triggers a reweave for some reason, that will take much more time. or if its out of date, it will have the cost of a standard merge.
[03:47] <jamesh> highvoltage: what I meant was: is it an error that prevents you from accessing the website, or is it just a warning?
[03:48] <jamesh> highvoltage: I don't see the error at my end
[03:48] <highvoltage> jamesh: it prevents me from accessing the website
[03:48] <jamesh> highvoltage: you could try turning off OCSP validation then ...
[03:48] <highvoltage> ok
[03:49] <stub> lifeless: It was a migrated branch, although it had had been merged with rocketfuel (and committed). Might that cause any issues?
[03:50] <highvoltage> jamesh: i turned of OSCP validation, and i can access launchpad.net fine now. any risks in de-activating oscp?
[03:50] <lifeless> stub: well, I would try a bzr merge sftp://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/homw/artshogs/archives/rocketfuel/launchpad/devel first
[03:50] <lifeless> stub let me know if that is terribly slow or not 
[03:51] <stub> Doing that now
[03:52] <jamesh> highvoltage: it means that you may trust websites with revoked certificates more than you should.
[03:52] <highvoltage> ok. thanks, jamesh.
[03:54] <kiko> stub, ping?
[03:54] <kiko> stub, did you not nuke the existing packages when you ran gina?
[03:55] <stub> kiko: No
[03:55] <SteveA> hi
[03:55] <kiko> stub, could you do so?
[03:56] <stub> kiko: No idea. It might screw Daniel and his publishing tests.
[03:56] <kiko> and re-run?
[03:56] <kiko> Kinnison, can stub nuke the packages on staging?
[03:56] <SteveA> hey, stub, when can we run jamesh's bugzilla -> malone stuff on monday on staging?
[03:56] <lifeless> spiv: ping
[03:57] <stub> SteveA: Depends if anything higher priority needs it
[03:58] <SteveA> stub: know if anything higher priority needs it?
[03:58] <SteveA> we're talking about having demos of a full up malone
[03:59] <stub> SteveA: Gina? Publisher? 
[04:00] <SteveA> stub: does it have to be mutually exclusive?
[04:00] <jamesh> stub: bugzilla import is quite quick in my local tests
[04:00] <SteveA> 1 hour or so
[04:00] <SteveA> i think
[04:00] <jamesh> less than that
[04:01] <stub> SteveA: Just juggling lots of variables. Daniel has been applying patches, kiko has had stuff to be cherry picked.
[04:01] <jamesh> locally it was ~ 20 minutes, but I'm not sure how accessing mysql remotely will affect things
[04:03] <stub> mysql?
[04:03] <jamesh> stub: bugzilla data is stored in mysql
[04:05] <stub> So assuming we are trying to sync *our* bugzilla, who runs it? And who knows enough about mysql to organize remote connections? And what packages need to be installed on whatever box this is to run on to allow client connections?
[04:06] <jamesh> stub: I'll ask elmo about the DB access today
[04:07] <jamesh> would running the script on macquarie make sense? (assuming we can get access sorted out?)
[04:07] <stub> jamesh: What boxes do you have access to? I could open up the staging database to an account you control and you could run the migration.
[04:08] <stub> Or do you fly out monday morning?
[04:08] <kiko> stub, fly out?
[04:09] <stub> If not, I hope he is either in Montreal already or has a good set of water wings
[04:09] <jamesh> stub: I have an account on macquarie
[04:10] <stub> jamesh: What user does the migration script connect as?
[04:11] <jamesh> stub: to postgres or mysql?
[04:12] <stub> jamesh: To PostgreSQL.
[04:12] <jamesh> stub: it is currently an initZopeless() script, connecting as Launchpad
[04:13] <stub> The only thing I know about MySQL are the reasons why I've never used it
[04:13] <stub> launchpad? urgh.
[04:13] <jamesh> that is a one line change to fix
[04:13] <stub> jamesh: + setting up all the relevant permissions on the account
[04:13] <stub> It is fine for a one off
[04:16] <stub> jamesh: ok. Used 'jamesh' on macquarie can connect as the launchpad user to the launchpad_staging database on asuka.ubuntu.com
[04:17] <stub> jamesh: Quick'n'dirty way of building a source tree is at  https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/LaunchpadRollout
[04:17] <stub> jamesh: Are you able to give it a go so SteveA stops bitching?
[04:17] <jamesh> stub: I will.  Thanks.
[04:22] <LarstiQ> is there a way to see all my subscribed bugs?
[04:22] <lifeless> jamesh: thats what I showed you thursday avo :)
[04:38] <lifeless> a single inventory is 700K
[04:53] <kiko> stub, I think nuking the packages on staging should be okay.. 
[04:55] <stub> kiko: Wait until Daniel gives the go ahead. It will take a day or so to run if I clean it out anyway.
[04:57] <kiko> stub, I think Kinnison is no longer in the country
[05:02] <stub> kiko: I'm not going to blow away staging then - for all I know he needs it  to demonstrate the distro when he lands.
[05:10] <kiko> stub, I'm in the process of deciding that now.
[05:10] <kiko> stub, didn't we have another box to run gina? elmo said it was set up for you.
[05:12] <stub> Its talking to the same database unless I setup a second staging environment, which will take time and elmo
[05:12] <kiko> stub, can you make a dump of the current database and then nuke it?
[05:13] <stub> kiko: I would also have to mirror the librarian files. And I'd rather not then have to restore it all tomorrow.
[05:13] <stub> kiko: And not tonight anyway
[05:14] <stub> bed time
[05:15] <kiko> stub, I'm going to call daniel, aar
[05:16] <kiko> phone's off
[05:33] <cogumbreiro> lo all
[05:34] <cogumbreiro> i'm about to release a new version of Serpentine and I would like to use rosetta to translated. My project is already translatable and has a few translations there. I was wondering if there is any way to warn the translators to translate serpentine now before I do the release?
[06:19] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--production--1.38: Merge bjorn.tillenius@canonical.com/launchpad--production--1.38 into production (patch-6: bjorn.tillenius@canonical.com)
[06:20] <kiko> cogumbreiro, hmm, not really, not through launchpad
[06:21] <cogumbreiro> kiko, so I would have to ask them directly, right?
[06:22] <kiko> cogumbreiro, yes, I imagine that would be the only way.
[06:22] <kiko> it's of course an interesting requirement
[06:33] <lifeless> kiko: 
[06:33] <lifeless> the change you have made to PublishingMorgue
[06:33] <kiko> yeah
[06:33] <lifeless> is that the new official headers for specs ?
[06:33] <kiko> it's obsolete
[06:33] <kiko> but yes
[06:33] <kiko> they are
[06:33] <lifeless> so we should change the template ?
[06:33] <kiko>  * '''Launchpad Entry''': https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/foo
[06:33] <kiko>  * '''Created''': @DATE@ by @USERNAME@
[06:33] <kiko>  * '''Contributors''': @USERNAME@
[06:33] <kiko>  * '''Packages affected''': 
[06:33] <kiko> we should, please do if it hasn't been already
[06:34] <lifeless> bazaar.canonical.com and the ubuntu wiki have copies of the spec
[06:34] <kiko> the ubuntu wiki is okay
[07:06] <jordi> hey
[07:07] <jordi> who's in Montral already?
[07:08] <kiko> everybody and his wet dog
[07:08] <jordi> no way man
[07:09] <jordi> I'm still here!
[07:09] <jordi> kiko: is it cold? Is it too cold for me to run?
[07:09] <kiko> it's not too cold to run
[07:09] <kiko> it's dark in the morning though
[07:09] <jordi> hopefully they have street lights.
[07:10] <kiko> and hookers
[07:11] <jordi> hah
[07:16] <jordi> segfault: ping
[07:16] <jordi> segfault: so, the problem is that there's a hell lot of different po files in this request.
[07:17] <jordi> segfault: we need to find a way, if possible, of making it less fine grained.
[07:20] <sd-tux> hallo,can somebody tell me how can i add gnomemeeting-cvs template to rosetta? or only admins have permission to do this ?
[08:00] <segfault> jordi: sure, is there any reference on doing it?
[08:06] <jordi> segfault: I need to know how you generate your files
[08:07] <jordi> where do the strings come from? XML and gnome-doc-utils?
[08:07] <jordi> kiko-fud: gah
[08:08] <jordi> kiko-fud: rosetta keeps Oopsing on me when I try to fix review-breezy templates
[08:08] <jordi> And my browser seems to have eaten the cert again
[08:08] <segfault> jordi: from xml files, using xml2po
[08:08] <jordi> xml2po is the gnome script?
[08:09] <segfault> yes
[08:09] <jordi> do you use a standard gnome-doc-utils setup?
[08:10] <jordi> ie, do you call xml2po with -e?
[08:10] <jordi> or, another question: is your document a single document with multiple entities (chapter1.xml, chapter2.xml), or is every file independent and treated as a different doc?
[08:12] <segfault> i didn't write them, but: 1. works with -e; 2. they're multiple books, each book has multiple entities. I can group those entities into one pot file
[08:13] <jordi> how many books?
[08:13] <jordi> yes, please generate as less files as possible
[08:14] <segfault> 6 books
[08:14] <segfault> one pot per book should be ok?
[08:15] <jordi> segfault: makes sense.
[08:16] <jordi> sd-tux: hello. You should contact your team at the GNOME Translation Project to get gnomemeeting imported, to coordinate with them first.
[08:17] <ssh_rdp> hi
[08:18] <jordi> hello ssh
[08:18] <jordi> SteveA: hey man
[08:18] <SteveA> hi
[08:19] <ssh_rdp> i am soroosh radpoor and want to start/continue a project 
[08:19] <jordi> SteveA: I'm hitting a nasty SysError which is making my life difficult :/
[08:19] <ssh_rdp> it is named webmin-sbs
[08:19] <segfault> heh, doint that
[08:19] <ssh_rdp> a webmin module that configure computer for small business server
[08:20] <jordi> SteveA: https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+bug/3686
[08:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #3686: System error when admining pot Fix req. for: rosetta (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/3686
[08:20] <jordi> segfault: thanks mate
[08:21] <ssh_rdp> it was started for on of breezy goal s
[08:22] <ssh_rdp> and now i want to continue it and i need a rcs on launchpad for it
[08:22] <SteveA> elmo: ping
[08:22] <segfault> jordi: i've updated the url link in RosettaPendingImports
[08:23] <SteveA> jordi: that bug report just isn't useful
[08:23] <SteveA> jordi: it doesn't say what url was being accessed or anything
[08:23] <SteveA> jordi: and that error report page is not accessible, and doesn't stay around for all that long
[08:25] <jordi> SteveA: oh, I thought it did have al lthe info and it stayed alive long enough.
[08:25] <jordi> I'll update
[08:25] <SteveA> we need to improve the launchpad error-handling systems
[08:26] <jordi> SteveA: should I paste the traceback?
[08:27] <ssh_rdp> it is the wiki page of the project https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmallBusinessServer
[08:28] <jordi> SteveA: update the bug report?
[08:28] <jordi> reload I mean
[08:30] <jordi> segfault: should i name the templates "learnlinux-electives" and so on?
[08:30] <segfault> jordi: sure, no problem
[08:30] <jordi> segfault: and it goes to 0.1, right?
[08:31] <segfault> jordi: yeap
[08:31] <ssh_rdp> any idea?
[08:31] <kiko-fud> ssh_rdp, wha are you trying to do? a system error where?
[08:33] <ssh_rdp> kiko-fud: were you listening ? i talked about a VCS on launchpad for a project started for breezy and going to be continued 
[08:35] <kiko-fud> ssh_rdp, yes, I was listening, but I didn't see what the problem was
[08:36] <ssh_rdp> kiko-fud: i need a repository to upload the project
[08:37] <kiko-fud> ssh_rdp, and you're using baz?
[08:38] <ssh_rdp> kiko-fud: i want to start using bazaar
[08:38] <jordi> segfault: is rosetta the official translation site for learnlinux?
[08:38] <jordi> segfault: segfault if so, you should mark it in the project admin links
[08:38] <kiko-fud> ssh_rdp, contact jblack -- what you want is an account on the supermirror (sourcecontrol.net)
[08:40] <ssh_rdp> kiko-fud: thanks
[08:40] <segfault> jordi: i'll do that
[08:40] <jordi> segfault: great
[08:40] <kiko-fud> ssh_rdp, there are introductory texts for baz and bzr
[08:41] <kiko-fud> lifeless, can you help ssh_rdp?
[08:43] <lifeless> ssh_rdp: hi
[08:43] <jordi> segfault: all done
[08:43] <ssh_rdp> lifeless: hi
[08:43] <lifeless> ssh_rdp: I'm happy to help you get going with bzr.
[08:44] <lifeless> or with baz if thats what you want.
[08:44] <ssh_rdp> lifeless: yes
[08:46] <segfault> jordi: thanks!
[08:46] <jordi> segfault: soonish the po templates will get filled with the strings
[08:46] <lifeless> ssh_rdp: which is your preference :)
[08:47] <jordi> they are in the Rosetta import queue now
[08:47] <jblack> ssh_rdp: Do you know the difference in behaviors between the two? Can you describe what sort of requirements you have? 
[08:47] <ssh_rdp> lifeless: are they different :)) i didn't know. then let me ee
[08:48] <jordi> hey people
[08:48] <jordi> more later.
[08:48] <jordi> gotta go for dinner
[08:48] <lifeless> ssh_rdp: bzr is our python based, simple to setup and use, distributed vcs
[08:49] <lifeless> ssh_rdp: baz is the older C based, complex to setup and use, distributed vcs. 
[08:49] <lifeless> bzr is definately the better tool, though it is still pre 2.0
[08:49] <ssh_rdp> lifeless: i think bzr is better then 
[08:50] <jblack> ssh_rdp: Yes, bzr is probably better for you, but lets make sure. What is your project development like
[08:50] <ssh_rdp> jblack: what do you mean?
[08:51] <jblack> Well, how big is your project? How many developers? Do you have third parties contributing code? 
[08:51] <jblack> Are you cross platform? 
[08:51] <ssh_rdp> jblack: not cross platform (even cross-disto)
[08:52] <ssh_rdp> now 4 developers
[08:52] <ssh_rdp> no third party code
[08:52] <jblack> Do you guys have a server? 
[08:52] <ssh_rdp> not yet
[08:52] <ssh_rdp> sync with emails:D
[08:53] <lifeless> do you hav ome pages somewhere (anywhere)
[08:53] <lifeless>  *have home*
[08:53] <ssh_rdp> no homepage yet but a wiki on ubuntu
[08:53] <jblack> Wow. Hmmm. Do each of you have a place where you can upload stuff servable via http?
[08:53] <lifeless> ok
[08:53] <jordi> hmm, pretty limited infrastructure :)
[08:53] <ssh_rdp> not all of us
[08:54] <ssh_rdp> but 2 of us have
[08:54] <lifeless> to share code *right now*, you need just a basic home page somewhere for bzr.
[08:54] <lifeless> next week, you'll be able to upload to bazaar.launchpad.net
[08:54] <lifeless> 9via a launchpad login)
[08:54] <ssh_rdp> then we continue with mails until next week
[08:55] <jblack> One more important question: Is the person that does releases the same guy that oversees development?
[08:56] <ssh_rdp> we dont have any organization right now
[08:56] <jblack> Yeah, bzr will work well for you then. :)
[08:56] <ssh_rdp> but the last release was overseen by all of members
[08:58] <ssh_rdp> then what should i do now?wait 1 week?
[08:58] <jblack> If you're hot to trot, we can get you going today. =)
[08:58] <jblack> I can loan you guys a server for a couple weeks.
[08:58] <ssh_rdp> no
[08:59] <ssh_rdp> and next week launchpad is free for all or should i do something?
[09:00] <jblack> It'll free for all, of course. 
[09:00] <jblack> In the meantime, I'd be happy to walk you through using bzr, though we've got some pretty good documentation at bazaar.canonical.com, if you prefer that
[09:00] <ssh_rdp> no i dont mean free as in bear , i mean anybody can sign up and start using ...?:)
[09:01] <jblack> Yes, anybody will be able to sign up with launchpad and use it and not have to pay a cent.
[09:01] <ssh_rdp> lifeless: i think i'd better look at doc first 
[09:01] <jblack> so you'll basically have free help with the resources you guys need.
[09:03] <ssh_rdp> lifeless: can ask you questions after reading the doc?
[09:04] <lifeless> ssh_rdp: sure thing, I'm in montreal tz right now
[09:04] <jblack> ssh_rdp: I'm around all the time too, and part of my job is to assist you in migration. =)
[09:05] <ssh_rdp> thank you
[09:05] <ssh_rdp> ttyl
[10:19] <rillian> hey folks
[10:19] <rillian> I'm just talking with ruik about setting up a matchmaking site
[10:19] <rillian> to pair open source projects with students looking for term projects
[10:20] <rillian> we have semi-official approval for this from his university
[10:20] <rillian> goal is to have something up for the next term starting in january
[10:20] <rillian> I wondered if that might fit with launchpad and/or be a good place to host it
[10:21] <rillian> since I see you've started hosting bounties :)
[10:21] <rillian> thoughts?
[10:30] <kiko-fud> sounds interesting
[10:30] <rillian> hi kiko
[10:30] <rillian> anyone in particular I should try and talk to about the idea?
[10:30] <kiko> so how do you see this working, from a high level?
[10:31] <SteveA> rillian: i was having a conversation with mark recently about adding a 'skills tracker' into launchpad
[10:31] <SteveA> maybe that's kinda related
[10:31] <kiko> SteveA, maybe he's talking more about upstreams publicizing work that needs tobe done
[10:33] <rillian> kiko: generally we want to set up a way students can find projects
[10:33] <rillian> but also provide a model other schools could use for formally supporting open source work as coure/thesis work
[10:34] <rillian> basically, the open source project defines a job, with completion requirements like a bounty, but it should be something substantial
[10:34] <rillian> and agrees to provide some guidance/supervision during the work
[10:34] <rillian> in-term milestones would also be a good idea
[10:34] <rillian> a student finds a project, their academic supervisor has to approve it as appropriately "educational"
[10:35] <rillian> and then at the end the open source project has to provide an evaluation
[10:35] <rillian> for undergrad semestral work in ruik's dept that can be as simple as complete/not complete
[10:35] <rillian> but for something like a master's thesis a more formal review document would be required
[10:36] <ruik> rillian: yes thanks for re-formulations ;)
[10:36] <rillian> so we're trying to think about (a) a good set of guidelines to ensure a fair trade between the open source and academic sides
[10:36] <rillian> and (b) set up a site where people not already involved in a project can find something to do
[10:36] <rillian> ruik: hopefully I've not confused anything :)
[10:36] <ruik> no I think this looks good
[10:37] <ruik> we have relatively free hands
[10:38] <rillian> kiko, SteveA: does that should like it could fit under the launchpad umbrella
[10:38] <rillian> it could overlap with bounties and todo list tracking
[10:38] <SteveA> rillian: maybe you can use the spec tracker for this?
[10:38] <rillian> I'm not sure if we should have a major focus on the academic interface, or try and do something more general
[10:39] <SteveA> you put the specs up as draft
[10:39] <SteveA> associated with your projects
[10:39] <rillian> just trying to see how to do that
[10:39] <SteveA> we're using the spec tracker for the conference in montreal that is currently in progress
[10:39] <SteveA> so expect a lot of changes to how it works over the next week or two
[10:39] <SteveA> as we modify it to meet our needs here
[10:40] <rillian> hehe
[10:40] <rillian> I can't find any way to create a spec
[10:40] <rillian> do I have to make a project first or something?
[10:40] <SteveA> yes
[10:40] <SteveA> you need to go to the project or product or distro
[10:40] <SteveA> and create a spec from it
[10:44] <rillian> suggestions for an appropriate project? :)
[10:44] <rillian> how's UBZ going?
[10:44] <rillian> good weather for it
[10:45] <SteveA> it's good
[10:45] <SteveA> we're mostly planning the schedule at the moment
[10:46] <SteveA> you need to think of what your project is going to be called
[10:46] <SteveA> you can rename projects in launchpad, though
[10:46] <rillian> ruik: what should we call it
[10:46] <ruik> Name?
[10:47] <ruik> hmm I dont know yet
[10:47] <ruik> in fact I never thought about a name...
[10:47] <rillian> SteveA: I've found products and teams, but not projects. does creating a team work?
[10:48] <LarstiQ> rillian: https://launchpad.net/projects/+all
[10:49] <ruik> rillian: what about EduPeer?
[10:50] <rillian> LarstiQ: thanks
[10:50] <rillian> ruik: ick :)
[10:51] <LarstiQ> rillian: I find Immendio a good example of a project 
[10:51] <LarstiQ> some others are a bit blurry qua distinction with products
[10:51] <ruik> edupeer has only 4 google hits so I think it is good name :)
[10:53] <lifeless> SteveA: oping
[10:54] <lifeless> SteveA: can you make the text colour more readable
[10:55] <lifeless> rather than black text, I suggest yellow or something
[10:56] <SteveA> lifeless: still?
[10:57] <rillian> ruik: creating a launchpad page now
[10:57] <ruik> ok
[10:57] <lifeless> SteveA: well, its better now
[10:57] <SteveA> rillian: sorry, i need to pay attention to this conference planning meeting
[10:58] <rillian> SteveA: 's alright. but please do comment when you have a chance
[11:00] <rillian> https://launchpad.net/projects/edupeer
[11:02] <rillian> advice/urls on adding a spec appreciated
[11:03] <ruik> rillian: cool
[11:21] <rillian> I couldn't find a way to create a spec, so I just dumped a version of the proposal on http://wiki.xiph.org/EduPeer
[11:22] <rillian> ruik: maybe you could review and/or enlarge
[11:22] <ruik> rillian: I will do but tomorrow
[11:22] <ruik> here is nearly midnight...
[11:22] <rillian> good luck with all your work
[11:22] <rillian> it's good to hear from you again
[11:24] <ruik> rillian: thanks. I'm busy with my master thesis...
[11:24] <ruik> actually i'm still programming rather then writing it
[11:26] <LarstiQ> hmm, https://launchpad.net/projects/edupeer/+specs doesn't do what I thought it would.
[11:26] <rillian> LarstiQ: quite
[11:27] <kiko> let me see
[11:27] <kiko> rillian, LarstiQ: you need a /product/ for your work
[11:28] <LarstiQ> kiko: so, why does project/edupeer have a specifications tab?
[11:28] <rillian> kiko: must a product name be globally unique, or is it namespaced by the project?
[11:29] <rillian> (IMHO, specs being attached to products but not projects isn't a necessary restriction)
[11:30] <rillian>  /project/+specs should probably return all the specs for all the projects products as well
[11:33] <rillian> ah, products must be global because the path is /products/foo not /projects/foo
[11:34] <kiko> LarstiQ, rillian: the broken link is a bug. and products must be globally unique.
[11:35] <LarstiQ> is the brokennes the link itself, or not being able to spec a project?
[11:35] <LarstiQ> support is also broken
[11:36] <ruik> good night folks (this night will be one hour longer haha) - eof
[11:36] <lifeless> oh? forward or backwards ?
[11:37] <LarstiQ> lifeless: well, we win one hour, so backwards I guess
[11:38] <lifeless> so 7am becomes 6am  on the clock ?
[11:44] <LarstiQ> lifeless: yes
[11:45] <LarstiQ> lifeless: the actual change happens at 02.00, jumping back to 01.00
[11:45] <LarstiQ> at least in my timezone