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| the--dud | phew, writing up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommandlineHowto proved to be a slightly bigger task than I'd think... have to stretch it across two days >_< | 02:07 |
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| rob^ | heh | 02:12 |
| the--dud | let's just hope it proves useful after all the work ^_^ | 02:13 |
| rob^ | the--dud, that could be useful for the Ubuntu Server Guide | 02:13 |
| rob^ | good one | 02:13 |
| rob^ | :) | 02:13 |
| the--dud | let's hope I find the time to get it done tomorrow then | 02:14 |
| rob^ | sure, we only started work ourselves on the server guide~24 hours ago | 02:14 |
| the--dud | really? wasn't aware | 02:17 |
| rob^ | yeah, we split it from the Starter Guide | 02:17 |
| the--dud | who's developing the server release btw? don't suppose they'd need some help from a small hacker.... | 02:17 |
| rob^ | ask in #ubuntu-devel, someone there can help you out :) | 02:18 |
| the--dud | already in there, pretty dead now with UBZ commencing soon-ish | 02:19 |
| rob^ | everyone will be flying and what not | 02:20 |
| the--dud | yeah, way way too far away for the little norwegian student known as myself | 02:20 |
| rob^ | tell me about it.. | 02:21 |
| the--dud | almost 1/3rd around the globe | 02:21 |
| rob^ | I'm in au, too far to swim.. | 02:21 |
| the--dud | that'd be an understatement :p | 02:21 |
| the--dud | at least you had the down under conf close by | 02:22 |
| rob^ | yeah | 02:22 |
| the--dud | yet to be in Europe I think | 02:22 |
| Kinnison | ciao all | 02:24 |
| the--dud | hiya Kinnison | 02:27 |
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| rob^ | bhuvan, ping | 04:58 |
| bhuvan | yes | 04:58 |
| rob^ | you need to sign up to the the ubuntu-doc-commits mailing list | 04:58 |
| bhuvan | oh, ok | 04:59 |
| bhuvan | i'll | 04:59 |
| rob^ | I fixed the problem in your first patch several hours ago | 04:59 |
| bhuvan | ok :) | 04:59 |
| rob^ | cool | 04:59 |
| rob^ | thanks | 04:59 |
| bhuvan | np. how about my another patch for sidebar.inc.php ? | 04:59 |
| rob^ | which directory is sidebar.php? | 05:02 |
| rob^ | sidebar.inc.php | 05:02 |
| bhuvan | teamstuff/doc.ubuntu.com/sidebar.inc.php | 05:03 |
| bhuvan | imo, it has been added by mdke just couple of hrs back | 05:03 |
| rob^ | no your one is different | 05:04 |
| bhuvan | ? | 05:05 |
| rob^ | your patch adds three links yes? | 05:06 |
| bhuvan | correct | 05:06 |
| rob^ | it hasn't been commited yet, hang on | 05:06 |
| bhuvan | ok | 05:06 |
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| rob^ | hi Madpilot | 05:33 |
| rob^ | grr | 05:33 |
| rob^ | hi mgalvin | 05:33 |
| rob^ | bloody patch | 05:33 |
| mgalvin | hey rob^ | 05:35 |
| rob^ | long time no see | 05:35 |
| rob^ | how have you been? | 05:35 |
| mgalvin | yea, hows it going | 05:35 |
| mgalvin | just been busy with life in general | 05:35 |
| mgalvin | i am finally getting some of my free time back | 05:36 |
| rob^ | cool | 05:36 |
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| mgalvin | hopefully i can start working on some docs again | 05:36 |
| rob^ | it got renamed to the starter guide, but the faq guide is in there with breezy :) | 05:36 |
| rob^ | good to hear | 05:37 |
| rob^ | we decided to split the faq guide into a desktop starter guide and a server guide for dapper | 05:37 |
| mgalvin | neat, i was just reading that thread | 05:37 |
| bhuvan | rob^: thankx for the commit | 05:38 |
| mgalvin | i just sat down this evening to catch up of whats been going on | 05:38 |
| rob^ | bhuvan, np | 05:38 |
| mgalvin | rob^, by the way, great job seeing the guide through to completion for breezy | 05:38 |
| rob^ | thanks :) | 05:39 |
| rob^ | ah fuck don't tell me I just deleted doc.u.c.. | 05:43 |
| rob^ | fcking gay subversion | 05:43 |
| rob^ | hmm the logs don't say I did.. | 05:46 |
| bhuvan | rob^: subversion is good ;) | 05:53 |
| bhuvan | 'patch -p0 < patch_file' would apply the patch, imo! | 05:53 |
| rob^ | yeah | 05:54 |
| rob^ | I'm just wondering whats going on with doc.u.c | 05:54 |
| bhuvan | ok ok | 05:54 |
| rob^ | hmm maybe the merge of branch back into trunk broke it | 06:03 |
| Madpilot | hi all | 06:36 |
| rob^ | hey Madpilot | 06:38 |
| Madpilot | what's wrong with doc.u.c? All that shows is the kde directory - no index page, nada | 06:40 |
| rob^ | yeah I know | 06:42 |
| rob^ | mdke will have to sought it on on linode | 06:42 |
| rob^ | s/sought/sort | 06:44 |
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| bhuvan | going on vacation. will be back on nov 02 2005 | 08:04 |
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| Madpilot | wow, just remembered (via a chat on #ubuntu) what a horrific mess all the dialup modem stuff is in the wiki... | 09:14 |
| Madpilot | nobody on the docteam actually uses dialup, I guess... ;) | 09:15 |
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| === mdke arives | ||
| mdke | oh great | 11:59 |
| rob^ | ? | 12:02 |
| mdke | just reading the last email from sebastiano mestre | 12:02 |
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| rob^ | ? | 12:03 |
| rob^ | on the list? | 12:03 |
| mdke | yeah | 12:03 |
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| mdke | marketing thread | 12:03 |
| rob^ | on the doc mailing list? | 12:04 |
| mdke | yeah | 12:04 |
| mdke | btw rob^ I caught you using the term "admin guide" again... i think we need to spec the guide out before making any changes: it's important we get the division between the docs just right | 12:04 |
| mdke | otherwise we might end up losing material or duplicating it | 12:04 |
| rob^ | oh? | 12:04 |
| rob^ | where did I do that? | 12:04 |
| mdke | DocteamProjects | 12:05 |
| mdke | i watch your every move o.o | 12:05 |
| mdke | have a hack at this: | 12:05 |
| mdke | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerGuide | 12:05 |
| mdke | let's see if we can get an outline | 12:05 |
| rob^ | I set up a Desktop Guide spec page today too if you noticed.. | 12:08 |
| mdke | ah awesome | 12:08 |
| rob^ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopStarterGuideSpec | 12:08 |
| mdke | moved from FAQGuide? | 12:08 |
| rob^ | I've also been hacking on the desktop guide for a bit | 12:08 |
| rob^ | no | 12:09 |
| rob^ | might put a redirect or something.. | 12:09 |
| mdke | ok cool | 12:09 |
| rob^ | so you want to do a table of contents for the server guide? | 12:10 |
| mdke | i think it would help get clear where we are gonna go | 12:10 |
| mdke | plenty of time though | 12:10 |
| rob^ | (oh I removed a lot of server stuff from the desktop guide too today) | 12:10 |
| mdke | yeah i saw | 12:11 |
| mdke | we also need to sort out this ccbysa business | 12:11 |
| rob^ | I've fixed it already | 12:11 |
| mdke | no, you uncommented my comments from yesterday :) | 12:11 |
| rob^ | ? | 12:11 |
| rob^ | it validates ok | 12:11 |
| mdke | what does? | 12:12 |
| rob^ | at least in the desktop guide | 12:12 |
| mdke | exactly | 12:12 |
| rob^ | ccbysa.xml | 12:12 |
| rob^ | so whats the problem? | 12:12 |
| mdke | i commented it out as a quick workaround because kquickguide wasn't building, but in doing so I broke desktopguide | 12:12 |
| mdke | now, your revert means that kquickguide still isn't building | 12:12 |
| mdke | i'm not sure the reason... | 12:12 |
| mdke | we need to find a situation where everything works :D | 12:12 |
| rob^ | must be a problem with the kquickguide, the desktop guide is fine with it | 12:12 |
| mdke | possibly a problem with inconsistent headers between the licence and some of the docs | 12:13 |
| rob^ | odd | 12:14 |
| rob^ | get the author to xinclude the ccbysa.xml as I've done in the faq guide | 12:14 |
| mdke | yes, although that is a bit of a workaround too | 12:15 |
| mdke | we need to have a good look at stuff | 12:15 |
| rob^ | no, that is the exact way to do it | 12:15 |
| mdke | erm | 12:15 |
| mdke | entities should work too | 12:15 |
| rob^ | you can do a whole document using xincludes if you want | 12:15 |
| rob^ | they do | 12:15 |
| rob^ | eg the cc entitiy didn't work when you commented out the header because it wasn't including global.ent | 12:16 |
| rob^ | does now | 12:16 |
| mdke | well the entities in the kquickguide don't work | 12:17 |
| rob^ | check this out: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/network-administrator/ | 12:17 |
| mdke | if you know how to fix it, tel me! | 12:17 |
| rob^ | I'll take a look later :) | 12:18 |
| rob^ | this has some intresting stuff too: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ | 12:18 |
| mdke | nice | 12:19 |
| mdke | i'll bookmark em | 12:19 |
| mdke | gtg now, bbl | 12:19 |
| rob^ | finally: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/users-guide/users-guide.en.html | 12:19 |
| rob^ | that last one is huge | 12:19 |
| rob^ | ok bye | 12:19 |
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| joachim-n | hi | 12:27 |
| rob^ | hi joachim-n | 12:28 |
| joachim-n | mdke, I just saw you reverted my edit to the UserDocumentation wiki page | 12:28 |
| mdke | right, which was that? | 12:51 |
| mdke | ah yes | 12:52 |
| mdke | Metacity? | 12:52 |
| mdke | joachim-n, the reason was that it led to an empty page | 12:52 |
| mdke | we don't add guides to that page until they are well developed | 12:53 |
| joachim-n | ok | 12:53 |
| mdke | in the case of "Metacity" there was no content | 12:53 |
| joachim-n | but the user docs do suffer from strucutral problems | 12:54 |
| joachim-n | they don't explain the basics | 12:54 |
| joachim-n | eg, is there a page that explains the user preferences? | 12:54 |
| mdke | I don't know | 12:55 |
| rob^ | mdke, I've made a few edits to ServerGuide on the wiki | 12:55 |
| mdke | wicked | 12:56 |
| rob^ | plucked some keywords from the mcse course I did ages ago.. | 12:56 |
| mdke | :) | 12:57 |
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| rob^ | (I just did a brain dump) | 12:59 |
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| rob^ | hang on | 01:04 |
| rob^ | ok | 01:06 |
| mdke | so you never got those mails about the marketing team? | 01:07 |
| rob^ | I got the one from sebadtiano mestre | 01:07 |
| mdke | ah | 01:08 |
| mdke | i've continued off list with him | 01:08 |
| mdke | we argue better in Italian :) | 01:08 |
| rob^ | I really do doubt any of them have even seen docbook.. | 01:08 |
| rob^ | heh | 01:08 |
| rob^ | lovely | 01:08 |
| mdke | rob^ | 01:11 |
| mdke | is it cool if I rename that wiki page to DesktopGuide | 01:12 |
| rob^ | yeah sure | 01:12 |
| mdke | just for the sake of consistency | 01:12 |
| mdke | i'll fix links | 01:12 |
| rob^ | np | 01:12 |
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| mdke | we should split the preface stuff out | 01:13 |
| mdke | how come that is inline in the doc? | 01:14 |
| rob^ | from memory I had to change some stuff to make sense for the faq guide | 01:14 |
| mdke | hmm | 01:14 |
| mdke | i think we should definitely share that love | 01:15 |
| rob^ | yeah | 01:15 |
| rob^ | I think I didn't want to break things for other docs at the time.. | 01:15 |
| rob^ | hmm LOTR is on | 01:15 |
| mdke | ooh | 01:16 |
| mdke | which one? | 01:16 |
| mdke | my gf went to italy today so I need to watch some films | 01:16 |
| rob^ | nr 2 I think | 01:16 |
| rob^ | bit odd the havn't played number 1 on tv first | 01:17 |
| rob^ | its kind of like picking up a book, choosing a page at random to start from then not reading the ending | 01:17 |
| mdke | you've seen it right? | 01:18 |
| rob^ | yeah | 01:18 |
| mdke | ahhhh | 01:18 |
| mdke | i can't get enough of it | 01:18 |
| mdke | i love the easy to watch films | 01:18 |
| rob^ | yeah I don't mind it | 01:19 |
| mdke | can we change the time of the meeting next week? | 01:19 |
| rob^ | pretty long though, I'm usually pretty pissed at the end of three hours | 01:19 |
| mdke | lol | 01:19 |
| rob^ | mmm beer | 01:20 |
| mdke | always having the meeting at 1400UTC is an issue for me | 01:20 |
| rob^ | oh | 01:20 |
| rob^ | well I'm happy to make it earlier | 01:20 |
| rob^ | 1400 is like midnight for me | 01:20 |
| mdke | *cough* later | 01:20 |
| mdke | something like 2100? | 01:20 |
| mdke | 22? | 01:20 |
| rob^ | any later then that and I'm catching some z's | 01:20 |
| mdke | when does the next day start? | 01:21 |
| rob^ | umm.. thats 7/8am my time | 01:21 |
| rob^ | on saturday | 01:21 |
| mdke | bit early | 01:21 |
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| rob^ | yeah | 01:21 |
| mdke | i think the CC does 23 | 01:21 |
| rob^ | that will work for me usually unless I have plans on the saturday.. | 01:22 |
| rob^ | yeah but in the middle of the week, I'm at work :( | 01:22 |
| mdke | yeah well friday nights or weekends are good for me | 01:22 |
| rob^ | actually they haven't got back to me about the timing of the next cc meeting yet | 01:22 |
| mdke | anyway a reasonable rotation should make everyone happy | 01:22 |
| rob^ | yeah | 01:22 |
| mdke | sorry about nuking the preview server yesterday btw | 01:23 |
| mdke | typo :) | 01:23 |
| rob^ | they want me to become a member of the cc | 01:23 |
| rob^ | heh | 01:23 |
| mdke | you mean an Ubuntu member | 01:23 |
| mdke | a member of the CC would put you in a group of 4 | 01:24 |
| rob^ | yeah I thought so, I commited a patch to the svn and thought I broke everything, then spent the next half an hour wondering what I done | 01:24 |
| mdke | no, it was my cron jobs nuking everything | 01:24 |
| rob^ | I dunno, I just got an email about CC + some kind of membership the other day | 01:24 |
| mdke | i will do rsync from now on | 01:24 |
| rob^ | to my work email no less | 01:25 |
| mdke | :) | 01:26 |
| mdke | segfault, ping? | 01:26 |
| rob^ | any thoughts on that outline I just did for serverguide? | 01:27 |
| mdke | ah i haven't had a proper look yet | 01:27 |
| rob^ | oh ok np | 01:27 |
| mdke | i need to get a better working knowledge of the Starter guide | 01:27 |
| rob^ | I just went nuts on the outline, so you don't really need to know the starter guide to get the gist of it | 01:28 |
| mdke | k | 01:28 |
| mdke | what is the status of a kubuntu starter guide? | 01:29 |
| rob^ | well I'm not sure, I offered to start work on it, but was told by the kubuntu guys to let them go first | 01:29 |
| mdke | ok | 01:31 |
| mdke | i think they still need to sort out what docs they are gonna write for dapper so we'll let them decide that | 01:31 |
| rob^ | yeah, I'm not gonna step on their toes | 01:31 |
| mdke | whoosh | 01:33 |
| mdke | that outline looks good | 01:33 |
| mdke | is there a "root and sudo" section in the desktop guide too? | 01:33 |
| rob^ | theres a system administarion section we can take info on | 01:33 |
| rob^ | one of the questions is about sudo that we can expand on | 01:34 |
| mdke | yeah we need to have prominent information about "root" | 01:34 |
| mdke | it is something Ubuntu does badly IMO | 01:34 |
| rob^ | yep, thats what I thought | 01:34 |
| mdke | spec looks great | 01:34 |
| rob^ | cool | 01:34 |
| mdke | only comment I would have is that I would envisage trying to make it a little more accessible for a new user | 01:35 |
| mdke | probably via the titles | 01:35 |
| rob^ | yeah but you cant make a server guide too newbie friendly | 01:35 |
| rob^ | then most admins will just dismiss it | 01:35 |
| mdke | rob^, don't forget that we might just be talking about a guy who wants a desktop with apache | 01:35 |
| mdke | he'll setup his desktop with the desktop guide | 01:36 |
| mdke | then he'll want to be able to find "webserver" in the server guide | 01:36 |
| rob^ | yeah but thats pretty rare | 01:36 |
| mdke | nah, that's real common | 01:36 |
| rob^ | for most things like webmin and whatever its already set up | 01:36 |
| mdke | basically what it comes down to is this IMO | 01:36 |
| mdke | making it clear that the server guide is not just for people who install ubuntu server | 01:36 |
| mdke | it can also be for people who run a desktop but want to learn basic services like http or ftp or ssh | 01:37 |
| mdke | don't you think? | 01:38 |
| rob^ | sure but you still need to add some terminology and substance | 01:38 |
| mdke | yeah | 01:39 |
| mdke | we need a way to have the stuff that a new user would look for to be accessible | 01:39 |
| mdke | i think it can all be done in the structure and titles | 01:39 |
| rob^ | yeah well that was a brain dump comming from a full time system admin | 01:40 |
| mdke | ahh | 01:40 |
| mdke | is that what you do eh | 01:40 |
| rob^ | umm err no.. | 01:40 |
| mdke | no wonder that outline is so l33t | 01:40 |
| mdke | you've ruined the "spy" idea for me though | 01:41 |
| rob^ | hehe | 01:41 |
| rob^ | but yeah | 01:42 |
| rob^ | no pdf hey? | 01:45 |
| mdke | well have we ever produced any pdfs for our guides? | 01:46 |
| rob^ | no, but a pdf of the server guide would be pretty nice | 01:47 |
| mdke | yeah ok let's do it | 01:47 |
| rob^ | give people something to print etc | 01:47 |
| mdke | sure | 01:48 |
| mdke | no reason why not | 01:48 |
| rob^ | exp considering they don't have yelp or the like | 01:48 |
| rob^ | just a command line + guide in hand | 01:48 |
| rob^ | lovely! | 01:49 |
| mdke | :) | 01:49 |
| mdke | you sound like a gentoo user | 01:49 |
| rob^ | heck no! | 01:49 |
| rob^ | avoiding the gentoo install look (switching between virtual terminals to read the guide and type the command) is what its all about | 01:50 |
| mdke | hmm | 01:51 |
| rob^ | my printer is busted | 01:51 |
| mdke | i like gentoo :) | 01:51 |
| rob^ | and yet you let .debs soften you up? | 01:52 |
| mdke | yeah | 01:53 |
| rob^ | weak! | 01:53 |
| mdke | gentoo is inherently buggy by its release process | 01:53 |
| mdke | and I was spending too much time on administering my system | 01:53 |
| rob^ | the idea of compiling everything for hardly any if at all speed gain seems kind of pointless to me | 01:54 |
| mdke | it's not for speedgain | 01:54 |
| mdke | its the extra control you get over what to build and what not to build | 01:54 |
| rob^ | I'd rather just apt-get, make a coffee and come back to a useable system again | 01:54 |
| mdke | indeed | 01:55 |
| mdke | i've converted my home server to Ubuntu too | 01:55 |
| rob^ | if I wanted that control I'd just grab the debian source package and compile it then, hardly ever do you need it | 01:55 |
| mdke | i'm 100% ubuntu friendly | 01:55 |
| mdke | ahhh, if you're gonna compile, it's all about gentoo | 01:56 |
| mdke | portage is the best | 01:56 |
| rob^ | I have a freebsd friend trying to convince me ports is even better | 01:56 |
| mdke | argh | 01:57 |
| === mdke discovers a way to rescue lost pages in Moin | ||
| mdke | eureka | 01:57 |
| rob^ | but the question is, do you really want to? | 01:57 |
| mdke | it's a pain when people delete pages accidentally | 01:57 |
| rob^ | mmm random acts of deleteage | 01:58 |
| rob^ | I'm not sure if thats actually a word though :) | 01:58 |
| rob^ | hehe that freak on lotr with the split personality is on tv | 02:00 |
| mdke | we also need to find a way to include the help.u.c headerlogo into all our built docs | 02:04 |
| mdke | that would be nice | 02:04 |
| mdke | and doc.u.c on the preview ones | 02:05 |
| rob^ | the big brown thing? | 02:05 |
| mdke | yeah | 02:05 |
| rob^ | make them look like part of the site? | 02:05 |
| mdke | exactly | 02:05 |
| mdke | don't you think? | 02:05 |
| rob^ | I think we need to add proper anchors to the html too | 02:05 |
| rob^ | yeah | 02:05 |
| mdke | see | 02:05 |
| mdke | http://help.ubuntu-it.org/guidabreezy/index.html | 02:05 |
| mdke | i did that by hand though :/ | 02:06 |
| rob^ | oh yeah, that looks good | 02:06 |
| rob^ | how did you get the revision history at the bottom? | 02:07 |
| rob^ | hmm some things broke in the translation | 02:09 |
| rob^ | eg. application os="gnome">Synaptic | 02:09 |
| mdke | yeah | 02:10 |
| mdke | known bug | 02:10 |
| mdke | i moved the revision history manually | 02:11 |
| rob^ | we really need a proper help tab on the main ubuntu site too | 02:11 |
| mdke | yes | 02:11 |
| mdke | that will hopefully come if we get the wiki moved | 02:11 |
| rob^ | the one on the italian site looks good and makes help.u.c flow nicely | 02:12 |
| mdke | :) | 02:12 |
| mdke | we added the Guide one yesterday | 02:13 |
| rob^ | I think not the help.u.c header, the main site header | 02:14 |
| rob^ | for all of it, just adding documentation team on the doc.u.c site | 02:14 |
| rob^ | the help.u.c should be a main page | 02:14 |
| mdke | we'll see how it goes | 02:15 |
| rob^ | that quite frankly would rock | 02:15 |
| mdke | yeah | 02:15 |
| mdke | something to aim for in time for dapper | 02:15 |
| mdke | i'm discussing it with henrik and he is keen | 02:16 |
| rob^ | good | 02:16 |
| mdke | it will take some time though | 02:16 |
| mdke | first thing is to get the wiki there | 02:16 |
| rob^ | yeah | 02:16 |
| rob^ | well I'm going to go watch the rest of the lotr movie and hit the sack | 02:17 |
| rob^ | cya mdke | 02:17 |
| mdke | bye mate | 02:19 |
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| jsgotangco | hello | 05:22 |
| mdke | hi jsgotangco | 05:37 |
| mdke | how's it going? | 05:37 |
| jsgotangco | not bad i got to steal some time again now | 05:39 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 05:39 |
| mdke | :) | 05:40 |
| mdke | i'm playing with planet | 05:40 |
| mdke | http://help.ubuntu-it.org/output/ | 05:40 |
| mdke | feedback pls | 05:41 |
| jsgotangco | what about hackergotchi stuff? | 05:42 |
| mdke | i think that can be floated in the top right of each post | 05:45 |
| mdke | what do you think? | 05:46 |
| mdke | or should it be on the left? | 05:46 |
| mdke | i personally have no hackergotchi | 05:46 |
| jsgotangco | well your peers would probably like one | 05:47 |
| jsgotangco | although it would look strangely too much like planet gnome... | 05:47 |
| mdke | sure I have nothing against them | 05:48 |
| mdke | it's just a question of where to put them | 05:48 |
| jsgotangco | the left is most appropriate i guess | 05:49 |
| jsgotangco | where is ubuntupeople hosted? a private server? | 05:50 |
| mdke | not sure | 05:50 |
| jsgotangco | who revision 1999 | 06:25 |
| mdke | heh | 06:26 |
| mdke | quick! | 06:26 |
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| === mdke has made his first hackergotchi | ||
| highvoltage | mdke: hackergotchi, that's the pics on launchpad, right? | 07:40 |
| mdke | with a bloody mousepad no less | 07:40 |
| mdke | highvoltage, i think it means any picture of your head | 07:41 |
| mdke | hard to cut out your head with a synaptics touchpad | 07:41 |
| highvoltage | ah | 07:41 |
| highvoltage | i just used a southpark pic of me. https://launchpad.net/people/jonathan | 07:41 |
| highvoltage | wow. you have karma of 400. | 07:42 |
| jsgotangco | yeah he's pretty active in lp | 07:42 |
| mdke | it's from pushing through italian translations | 07:43 |
| mdke | highvoltage, jsgotangco, do either of you know how to use gimp? | 07:44 |
| highvoltage | i know a bit of gimp, i'm not a master though. | 07:44 |
| mdke | i've made my head, but am finding it hard to get big drop shadows on it | 07:45 |
| mdke | http://mdke.org/mdke_take1.png | 07:45 |
| jsgotangco | not much really | 07:45 |
| jsgotangco | not bad. | 07:45 |
| jsgotangco | add a drop shadow | 07:45 |
| mdke | there is one, but it is not fat enough | 07:45 |
| jsgotangco | lol i thought it was a faded pixel... | 07:46 |
| mdke | yeah similar | 07:46 |
| jsgotangco | you changed the color of your website to brown... | 07:47 |
| mdke | yeah | 07:47 |
| mdke | got bored of green | 07:47 |
| jsgotangco | wow your folks went to ayers rock | 07:48 |
| mdke | ugh | 07:48 |
| mdke | i need to get rid of those photos :D | 07:48 |
| mdke | ah there is only that one | 07:49 |
| mdke | phew | 07:49 |
| jsgotangco | yeah that pic of you and your gf is obviously scanned | 07:49 |
| mdke | yeah | 07:49 |
| mdke | i don't have many | 07:49 |
| jsgotangco | cute nonetheless | 07:50 |
| highvoltage | mdke: strange, i wouldn't recognise that as you. your hair was darker when i was in london, right? | 07:50 |
| mdke | not really | 07:51 |
| mdke | i took that photo just now | 07:51 |
| mdke | i don't _think_ it's changed colour :) | 07:51 |
| mdke | might just be the light | 07:51 |
| === jsgotangco will try to do a crazy hackergotchi later | ||
| mdke | heh | 07:52 |
| mdke | i'll try and figure out these damn shadows | 07:52 |
| mdke | highvoltage, did you mean "i wouldn't recognise that as you" in a good way, or a bad way... | 07:54 |
| highvoltage | mdke: you need to paste your head on a transparent background | 07:54 |
| mdke | oh | 07:55 |
| mdke | k | 07:55 |
| highvoltage | then Script-fu -> Shadow -> drop shadow | 07:55 |
| mdke | yeah i was there | 07:55 |
| highvoltage | cool! you have a go-opensource sticker on your pc! | 07:55 |
| mdke | heh | 07:55 |
| mdke | from you | 07:55 |
| highvoltage | mdke: with the white background? that would come out weird. | 07:55 |
| mdke | hmm | 07:55 |
| mdke | ok how do I get the background transparent? | 07:55 |
| mdke | I select the head, then do autocrop right? | 07:56 |
| highvoltage | i use a longer method, i'm sure there's a better way. | 07:56 |
| highvoltage | what i do is select the head, copy it, | 07:56 |
| highvoltage | then create a new image, choose transparent bg, then past the image on the transparent bg. | 07:56 |
| mdke | ok | 07:56 |
| jsgotangco | i just used my last sticker from RMS on my laptop | 07:57 |
| mdke | highvoltage, where do I get the transparent background? | 07:57 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: do you notice your head is well position here to look like you have horns http://www.flickr.com/photos/13916877@N00/52389877/ | 07:58 |
| mdke | oh yeah that would be awesome | 07:59 |
| highvoltage | mdke: in the new picture dialog, you can click on 'more options' (or something like that) and choose transparent bg | 07:59 |
| mdke | ok trying | 07:59 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: hehe. yes. | 08:00 |
| mdke | ok now i need to figure out how to get a fatter shadow | 08:01 |
| === mdke increases blur radius | ||
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: i still don't know what you look like, you have a hackergotchi? | 08:01 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/13246813/in/set-367688/ | 08:04 |
| jsgotangco | i'm the tired-looking asian :) | 08:04 |
| mdke | show him your daughter | 08:04 |
| mdke | (he has the cutest daughter) | 08:04 |
| jsgotangco | oh yeah | 08:05 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: where was that taken? | 08:06 |
| highvoltage | ah, udu. sorry, to lazy to read :) | 08:06 |
| Belutz | jsgotangco, nice pic :) | 08:07 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: hey you're still awake as well :) | 08:07 |
| Belutz | yup | 08:08 |
| Belutz | waiting for early breakfast before fasting | 08:08 |
| Belutz | i wonder where i could get that lovely ubuntu brown shirt.... | 08:08 |
| mdke | gah | 08:09 |
| mdke | i still can't get the shadow fatter | 08:09 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/5166461/in/set-367801/ is my wife and daughter | 08:09 |
| mdke | :) | 08:09 |
| Belutz | your daughter is cute :) | 08:10 |
| jsgotangco | she's grown already...and her hair is longer now | 08:10 |
| Belutz | how old is she now? | 08:10 |
| jsgotangco | will be 4 on january | 08:11 |
| Belutz | please say hi to your wife and daughter from indonesia :-) | 08:11 |
| jsgotangco | she just started taking e.nopi classes | 08:11 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: cool, i didn't even realise you were married :) | 08:12 |
| jsgotangco | where are you exactly? | 08:13 |
| highvoltage | me or Belutz? | 08:13 |
| Belutz | jsgotangco, me? i'm currently in jakarta | 08:13 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz | 08:13 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh nice | 08:14 |
| Belutz | before that i was in bandung for 10 years | 08:14 |
| jsgotangco | i got the chance to visit jakarta and bali before | 08:14 |
| mdke | argh | 08:15 |
| mdke | so close :) | 08:15 |
| mdke | http://mdke.org/mdke_take2.png | 08:15 |
| Belutz | i've never been to bali | 08:15 |
| jsgotangco | well you do hvae a huge country to begin with | 08:15 |
| jsgotangco | he | 08:15 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 08:15 |
| Belutz | nice one mdke :) | 08:16 |
| Belutz | jsgotangco, yup | 08:16 |
| mdke | it's badly cropped at the sides though | 08:16 |
| Belutz | oh damn, i was installing the breezy preview :-( | 08:17 |
| Belutz | gotta get rid of that cd | 08:17 |
| === mdke thinks it's time for dapper | ||
| Belutz | yep, i was suppose to install breezy release... :p | 08:20 |
| mdke | http://mdke.org/mdke_take3.png | 08:25 |
| mdke | that's enough for now | 08:25 |
| mdke | thanks highvoltage for those tips | 08:25 |
| jsgotangco | getting better | 08:25 |
| mdke | still not perfect | 08:26 |
| mdke | but I can't be bothered to improve it without a mouse | 08:26 |
| segfault | mdke: pong | 08:26 |
| mdke | segfault, sorry I forgot to unping ya | 08:27 |
| mdke | thanks though | 08:27 |
| segfault | heh, np | 08:27 |
| mdke | segfault, i was installing planet on ubuntu-it and wanted your advice | 08:27 |
| mdke | but I resolved | 08:27 |
| mdke | not sure if you did the BR one anyhow | 08:28 |
| segfault | i didn't, but could as who did | 08:28 |
| segfault | have you seen it? | 08:28 |
| segfault | err, s/as/ask/ | 08:28 |
| mdke | yeah | 08:29 |
| mdke | looks good | 08:29 |
| mdke | but I sorted it out | 08:29 |
| mdke | my main problem was where to download the software | 08:29 |
| segfault | hehe | 08:29 |
| segfault | planetplanet.org | 08:29 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 08:30 |
| mdke | yeah but it's not obvious from the website | 08:30 |
| mdke | I had to baz get it | 08:30 |
| mdke | segfault, btw | 08:30 |
| mdke | are you working on learnlinux? | 08:31 |
| segfault | yeah, just playing around though | 08:31 |
| segfault | i'm talking with jordi to get it into Rosetta | 08:31 |
| mdke | can we take it out of our repository? is it hosted elsewhere? | 08:31 |
| segfault | yes i guess | 08:32 |
| segfault | do you know who uploaded it to the repo? | 08:32 |
| mdke | sean | 08:32 |
| segfault | i'll talk to them later to see how he generated the pdf available at learnlinux.tsf.org.za | 08:33 |
| segfault | err, him. | 08:33 |
| mdke | cool | 08:33 |
| mdke | i'll leave it in the repo for now | 08:33 |
| mdke | but it shouldn't really be there, especially cos no one has used it | 08:33 |
| segfault | heh | 08:33 |
| jsgotangco | segfault: talk to sean, he admins the docs at tsf.org.za | 08:33 |
| jsgotangco | segfault: lots of docs there as well, the open icdl, tuxlabs, etc. | 08:34 |
| jsgotangco | well everything tsf basically | 08:34 |
| segfault | great, i'll mail him | 08:34 |
| segfault | those docs looks good | 08:34 |
| segfault | we're translating them to pt_BR | 08:34 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: i'd remove it, its probably outdated now | 08:35 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: or better inform the list i guess | 08:35 |
| jsgotangco | tsf has its own svn | 08:35 |
| mdke | we'll leave it a couple of days then delete | 08:36 |
| mdke | I've put it on the agenda for next week's meeting anyhow | 08:36 |
| mdke | we need to clean house a bit | 08:36 |
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| mdke | jsgotangco, still around? | 08:49 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 08:50 |
| jsgotangco | about to sleep though | 08:50 |
| segfault | jordi: thanks! | 08:51 |
| segfault | ops | 08:51 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, http://help.ubuntu.com/output | 08:51 |
| mdke | argh | 08:52 |
| mdke | sorry | 08:52 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, http://help.ubuntu-it.org/output | 08:52 |
| jsgotangco | hehe nice one already! just clean up the white pixels and make the shadow a bit thinner i guess | 08:53 |
| mdke | what about the page? | 08:54 |
| mdke | any suggestions? | 08:54 |
| mdke | lemme just see if I can link the photo | 08:54 |
| mdke | gah | 08:54 |
| jsgotangco | hmm try adding a border or somethign to separate between blog entries | 08:56 |
| mdke | good idea | 08:57 |
| mdke | done | 08:58 |
| jsgotangco | its getting better | 09:04 |
| jsgotangco | well i gotta sleep | 09:05 |
| jsgotangco | its 3am | 09:05 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 09:05 |
| mdke | night | 09:05 |
| mdke | crazy | 09:05 |
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| lucy | ciao | 09:30 |
| mdke | hello | 09:31 |
| lucy | sono roumen qui???? | 09:34 |
| lucy | hello | 09:35 |
| lucy | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 09:35 |
| lucy | romenia here???? | 09:35 |
| mdke | no | 09:36 |
| mdke | try #ubuntu-ro | 09:36 |
| lucy | gratie | 09:37 |
| lucy | merci | 09:37 |
| mdke | :) | 09:37 |
| lucy | bey | 09:42 |
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