[02:07] <the--dud> phew, writing up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommandlineHowto proved to be a slightly bigger task than I'd think... have to stretch it across two days >_<
[02:12] <rob^> heh
[02:13] <the--dud> let's just hope it proves useful after all the work ^_^
[02:13] <rob^> the--dud, that could be useful for the Ubuntu Server Guide
[02:13] <rob^> good one
[02:13] <rob^> :)
[02:14] <the--dud> let's hope I find the time to get it done tomorrow then
[02:14] <rob^> sure, we only started work ourselves on the server guide~24 hours ago
[02:17] <the--dud> really? wasn't aware
[02:17] <rob^> yeah, we split it from the Starter Guide
[02:17] <the--dud> who's developing the server release btw? don't suppose they'd need some help from a small hacker....
[02:18] <rob^> ask in #ubuntu-devel, someone there can help you out :)
[02:19] <the--dud> already in there, pretty dead now with UBZ commencing soon-ish
[02:20] <rob^> everyone will be flying and what not
[02:20] <the--dud> yeah, way way too far away for the little norwegian student known as myself
[02:21] <rob^> tell me about it..
[02:21] <the--dud> almost 1/3rd around the globe
[02:21] <rob^> I'm in au, too far to swim..
[02:21] <the--dud> that'd be an understatement :p
[02:22] <the--dud> at least you had the down under conf close by
[02:22] <rob^> yeah
[02:22] <the--dud> yet to be in Europe I think
[02:24] <Kinnison> ciao all
[02:27] <the--dud> hiya Kinnison 
[04:58] <rob^> bhuvan, ping
[04:58] <bhuvan> yes
[04:58] <rob^> you need to sign up to the the ubuntu-doc-commits mailing list
[04:59] <bhuvan> oh, ok
[04:59] <bhuvan> i'll
[04:59] <rob^> I fixed the problem in your first patch several hours ago
[04:59] <bhuvan> ok :)
[04:59] <rob^> cool
[04:59] <rob^> thanks
[04:59] <bhuvan> np. how about my another patch for sidebar.inc.php ?
[05:02] <rob^> which directory is sidebar.php?
[05:02] <rob^> sidebar.inc.php
[05:03] <bhuvan> teamstuff/doc.ubuntu.com/sidebar.inc.php
[05:03] <bhuvan> imo, it has been added by mdke just couple of hrs back
[05:04] <rob^> no your one is different
[05:05] <bhuvan> ?
[05:06] <rob^> your patch adds three links yes?
[05:06] <bhuvan> correct
[05:06] <rob^> it hasn't been commited yet, hang on
[05:06] <bhuvan> ok
[05:33] <rob^> hi Madpilot 
[05:33] <rob^> grr
[05:33] <rob^> hi mgalvin 
[05:33] <rob^> bloody patch
[05:35] <mgalvin> hey rob^
[05:35] <rob^> long time no see
[05:35] <rob^> how have you been?
[05:35] <mgalvin> yea, hows it going
[05:35] <mgalvin> just been busy with life in general
[05:36] <mgalvin> i am finally getting some of my free time back
[05:36] <rob^> cool
[05:36] <mgalvin> hopefully i can start working on some docs again
[05:36] <rob^> it got renamed to the starter guide, but the faq guide is in there with breezy :)
[05:37] <rob^> good to hear
[05:37] <rob^> we decided to split the faq guide into a desktop starter guide and a server guide for dapper
[05:37] <mgalvin> neat, i was just reading that thread
[05:38] <bhuvan> rob^: thankx for the commit
[05:38] <mgalvin> i just sat down this evening to catch up of whats been going on
[05:38] <rob^> bhuvan, np
[05:38] <mgalvin> rob^, by the way, great job seeing the guide through to completion for breezy
[05:39] <rob^> thanks :)
[05:43] <rob^> ah fuck don't tell me I just deleted doc.u.c..
[05:43] <rob^> fcking gay subversion
[05:46] <rob^> hmm the logs don't say I did..
[05:53] <bhuvan> rob^: subversion is good ;)
[05:53] <bhuvan> 'patch -p0 < patch_file' would apply the patch, imo!
[05:54] <rob^> yeah
[05:54] <rob^> I'm just wondering whats going on with doc.u.c
[05:54] <bhuvan> ok ok
[06:03] <rob^> hmm maybe the merge of branch back into trunk broke it
[06:36] <Madpilot> hi all
[06:38] <rob^> hey Madpilot 
[06:40] <Madpilot> what's wrong with doc.u.c? All that shows is the kde directory - no index page, nada
[06:42] <rob^> yeah I know
[06:42] <rob^> mdke will have to sought it on on linode
[06:44] <rob^> s/sought/sort
[08:04] <bhuvan> going on vacation. will be back on nov 02 2005
[09:14] <Madpilot> wow, just remembered (via a chat on #ubuntu) what a horrific mess all the dialup modem stuff is in the wiki...
[09:15] <Madpilot> nobody on the docteam actually uses dialup, I guess... ;)
[11:59] <mdke> oh great
[12:02] <rob^> ?
[12:02] <mdke> just reading the last email from sebastiano mestre
[12:03] <rob^> ?
[12:03] <rob^> on the list?
[12:03] <mdke> yeah
[12:03] <mdke> marketing thread
[12:04] <rob^> on the doc mailing list?
[12:04] <mdke> yeah
[12:04] <mdke> btw rob^ I caught you using the term "admin guide" again... i think we need to spec the guide out before making any changes: it's important we get the division between the docs just right
[12:04] <mdke> otherwise we might end up losing material or duplicating it
[12:04] <rob^> oh?
[12:04] <rob^> where did I do that?
[12:05] <mdke> DocteamProjects
[12:05] <mdke> i watch your every move o.o
[12:05] <mdke> have a hack at this:
[12:05] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerGuide
[12:05] <mdke> let's see if we can get an outline
[12:08] <rob^> I set up a Desktop Guide spec page today too if you noticed..
[12:08] <mdke> ah awesome
[12:08] <rob^> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopStarterGuideSpec
[12:08] <mdke> moved from FAQGuide?
[12:08] <rob^> I've also been hacking on the desktop guide for a bit
[12:09] <rob^> no
[12:09] <rob^> might put a redirect or something..
[12:09] <mdke> ok cool
[12:10] <rob^> so you want to do a table of contents for the server guide?
[12:10] <mdke> i think it would help get clear where we are gonna go
[12:10] <mdke> plenty of time though
[12:10] <rob^> (oh I removed a lot of server stuff from the desktop guide too today)
[12:11] <mdke> yeah i saw
[12:11] <mdke> we also need to sort out this ccbysa business
[12:11] <rob^> I've fixed it already
[12:11] <mdke> no, you uncommented my comments from yesterday :)
[12:11] <rob^> ?
[12:11] <rob^> it validates ok
[12:12] <mdke> what does?
[12:12] <rob^> at least in the desktop guide
[12:12] <mdke> exactly
[12:12] <rob^> ccbysa.xml
[12:12] <rob^> so whats the problem?
[12:12] <mdke> i commented it out as a quick workaround because kquickguide wasn't building, but in doing so I broke desktopguide
[12:12] <mdke> now, your revert means that kquickguide still isn't building
[12:12] <mdke> i'm not sure the reason...
[12:12] <mdke> we need to find a situation where everything works :D
[12:12] <rob^> must be a problem with the kquickguide, the desktop guide is fine with it
[12:13] <mdke> possibly a problem with inconsistent headers between the licence and some of the docs
[12:14] <rob^> odd
[12:14] <rob^> get the author to xinclude the ccbysa.xml as I've done in the faq guide
[12:15] <mdke> yes, although that is a bit of a workaround too
[12:15] <mdke> we need to have a good look at stuff
[12:15] <rob^> no, that is the exact way to do it
[12:15] <mdke> erm
[12:15] <mdke> entities should work too
[12:15] <rob^> you can do a whole document using xincludes if you want
[12:15] <rob^> they do
[12:16] <rob^> eg the cc entitiy didn't work when you commented out the header because it wasn't including global.ent
[12:16] <rob^> does now
[12:17] <mdke> well the entities in the kquickguide don't work
[12:17] <rob^> check this out: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/network-administrator/
[12:17] <mdke> if you know how to fix it, tel me!
[12:18] <rob^> I'll take a look later :)
[12:18] <rob^> this has some intresting stuff too: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/
[12:19] <mdke> nice
[12:19] <mdke> i'll bookmark em
[12:19] <mdke> gtg now, bbl
[12:19] <rob^> finally: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/users-guide/users-guide.en.html
[12:19] <rob^> that last one is huge
[12:19] <rob^> ok bye
[12:27] <joachim-n> hi
[12:28] <rob^> hi joachim-n 
[12:28] <joachim-n> mdke, I just saw you reverted my edit to the UserDocumentation wiki page
[12:51] <mdke> right, which was that?
[12:52] <mdke> ah yes
[12:52] <mdke> Metacity?
[12:52] <mdke> joachim-n, the reason was that it led to an empty page
[12:53] <mdke> we don't add guides to that page until they are well developed
[12:53] <joachim-n> ok
[12:53] <mdke> in the case of "Metacity" there was no content
[12:54] <joachim-n> but the user docs do suffer from strucutral problems
[12:54] <joachim-n> they don't explain the basics
[12:54] <joachim-n> eg, is there a page that explains the user preferences?
[12:55] <mdke> I don't know
[12:55] <rob^> mdke, I've made a few edits to ServerGuide on the wiki
[12:56] <mdke> wicked
[12:56] <rob^> plucked some keywords from the mcse course I did ages ago..
[12:57] <mdke> :)
[12:59] <rob^> (I just did a brain dump)
[01:04] <rob^> hang on
[01:06] <rob^> ok
[01:07] <mdke> so you never got those mails about the marketing team?
[01:07] <rob^> I got the one from sebadtiano mestre
[01:08] <mdke> ah
[01:08] <mdke> i've continued off list with him
[01:08] <mdke> we argue better in Italian :)
[01:08] <rob^> I really do doubt any of them have even seen docbook..
[01:08] <rob^> heh
[01:08] <rob^> lovely
[01:11] <mdke> rob^
[01:12] <mdke> is it cool if I rename that wiki page to DesktopGuide
[01:12] <rob^> yeah sure
[01:12] <mdke> just for the sake of consistency
[01:12] <mdke> i'll fix links
[01:12] <rob^> np
[01:13] <mdke> we should split the preface stuff out
[01:14] <mdke> how come that is inline in the doc?
[01:14] <rob^> from memory I had to change some stuff to make sense for the faq guide
[01:14] <mdke> hmm
[01:15] <mdke> i think we should definitely share that love
[01:15] <rob^> yeah
[01:15] <rob^> I think I didn't want to break things for other docs at the time..
[01:15] <rob^> hmm LOTR is on
[01:16] <mdke> ooh
[01:16] <mdke> which one?
[01:16] <mdke> my gf went to italy today so I need to watch some films
[01:16] <rob^> nr 2 I think
[01:17] <rob^> bit odd the havn't played number 1 on tv first
[01:17] <rob^> its kind of like picking up a book, choosing a page at random to start from then not reading the ending
[01:18] <mdke> you've seen it right?
[01:18] <rob^> yeah
[01:18] <mdke> ahhhh
[01:18] <mdke> i can't get enough of it
[01:18] <mdke> i love the easy to watch films
[01:19] <rob^> yeah I don't mind it
[01:19] <mdke> can we change the time of the meeting next week?
[01:19] <rob^> pretty long though, I'm usually pretty pissed at the end of three hours
[01:19] <mdke> lol
[01:20] <rob^> mmm beer
[01:20] <mdke> always having the meeting at 1400UTC is an issue for me
[01:20] <rob^> oh
[01:20] <rob^> well I'm happy to make it earlier
[01:20] <rob^> 1400 is like midnight for me
[01:20] <mdke> *cough* later
[01:20] <mdke> something like 2100?
[01:20] <mdke> 22?
[01:20] <rob^> any later then that and I'm catching some z's
[01:21] <mdke> when does the next day start?
[01:21] <rob^> umm.. thats 7/8am my time
[01:21] <rob^> on saturday
[01:21] <mdke> bit early
[01:21] <rob^> yeah
[01:21] <mdke> i think the CC does 23
[01:22] <rob^> that will work for me usually unless I have plans on the saturday..
[01:22] <rob^> yeah but in the middle of the week, I'm at work :(
[01:22] <mdke> yeah well friday nights or weekends are good for me
[01:22] <rob^> actually they haven't got back to me about the timing of the next cc meeting yet
[01:22] <mdke> anyway a reasonable rotation should make everyone happy
[01:22] <rob^> yeah
[01:23] <mdke> sorry about nuking the preview server yesterday btw
[01:23] <mdke> typo :)
[01:23] <rob^> they want me to become a member of the cc
[01:23] <rob^> heh
[01:23] <mdke> you mean an Ubuntu member
[01:24] <mdke> a member of the CC would put you in a group of 4
[01:24] <rob^> yeah I thought so, I commited a patch to the svn and thought I broke everything, then spent the next half an hour wondering what I done
[01:24] <mdke> no, it was my cron jobs nuking everything
[01:24] <rob^> I dunno, I just got an email about CC + some kind of membership the other day
[01:24] <mdke> i will do rsync from now on
[01:25] <rob^> to my work email no less
[01:26] <mdke> :)
[01:26] <mdke> segfault, ping?
[01:27] <rob^> any thoughts on that outline I just did for serverguide?
[01:27] <mdke> ah i haven't had a proper look yet
[01:27] <rob^> oh ok np
[01:27] <mdke> i need to get a better working knowledge of the Starter guide
[01:28] <rob^> I just went nuts on the outline, so you don't really need to know the starter guide to get the gist of it
[01:28] <mdke> k
[01:29] <mdke> what is the status of a kubuntu starter guide?
[01:29] <rob^> well I'm not sure, I offered to start work on it, but was told by the kubuntu guys to let them go first
[01:31] <mdke> ok
[01:31] <mdke> i think they still need to sort out what docs they are gonna write for dapper so we'll let them decide that
[01:31] <rob^> yeah, I'm not gonna step on their toes
[01:33] <mdke> whoosh
[01:33] <mdke> that outline looks good
[01:33] <mdke> is there a "root and sudo" section in the desktop guide too?
[01:33] <rob^> theres a system administarion section we can take info on
[01:34] <rob^> one of the questions is about sudo that we can expand on
[01:34] <mdke> yeah we need to have prominent information about "root"
[01:34] <mdke> it is something Ubuntu does badly IMO
[01:34] <rob^> yep, thats what I thought
[01:34] <mdke> spec looks great
[01:34] <rob^> cool
[01:35] <mdke> only comment I would have is that I would envisage trying to make it a little more accessible for a new user
[01:35] <mdke> probably via the titles
[01:35] <rob^> yeah but you cant make a server guide too newbie friendly
[01:35] <rob^> then most admins will just dismiss it
[01:35] <mdke> rob^, don't forget that we might just be talking about a guy who wants a desktop with apache
[01:36] <mdke> he'll setup his desktop with the desktop guide
[01:36] <mdke> then he'll want to be able to find "webserver" in the server guide
[01:36] <rob^> yeah but thats pretty rare
[01:36] <mdke> nah, that's real common
[01:36] <rob^> for most things like webmin and whatever its already set up
[01:36] <mdke> basically what it comes down to is this IMO
[01:36] <mdke> making it clear that the server guide is not just for people who install ubuntu server
[01:37] <mdke> it can also be for people who run a desktop but want to learn basic services like http or ftp or ssh
[01:38] <mdke> don't you think?
[01:38] <rob^> sure but you still need to add some terminology and substance
[01:39] <mdke> yeah
[01:39] <mdke> we need a way to have the stuff that a new user would look for to be accessible
[01:39] <mdke> i think it can all be done in the structure and titles
[01:40] <rob^> yeah well that was a brain dump comming from a full time system admin
[01:40] <mdke> ahh
[01:40] <mdke> is that what you do eh
[01:40] <rob^> umm err no..
[01:40] <mdke> no wonder that outline is so l33t
[01:41] <mdke> you've ruined the "spy" idea for me though
[01:41] <rob^> hehe
[01:42] <rob^> but yeah
[01:45] <rob^> no pdf hey?
[01:46] <mdke> well have we ever produced any pdfs for our guides?
[01:47] <rob^> no, but a pdf of the server guide would be pretty nice
[01:47] <mdke> yeah ok let's do it
[01:47] <rob^> give people something to print etc
[01:48] <mdke> sure
[01:48] <mdke> no reason why not
[01:48] <rob^> exp considering they don't have yelp or the like
[01:48] <rob^> just a command line + guide in hand
[01:49] <rob^> lovely!
[01:49] <mdke> :)
[01:49] <mdke> you sound like a gentoo user
[01:49] <rob^> heck no!
[01:50] <rob^> avoiding the gentoo install look (switching between virtual terminals to read the guide and type the command) is what its all about
[01:51] <mdke> hmm
[01:51] <rob^> my printer is busted
[01:51] <mdke> i like gentoo :)
[01:52] <rob^> and yet you let .debs soften you up?
[01:53] <mdke> yeah
[01:53] <rob^> weak!
[01:53] <mdke> gentoo is inherently buggy by its release process
[01:53] <mdke> and I was spending too much time on administering my system
[01:54] <rob^> the idea of compiling everything for hardly any if at all speed gain seems kind of pointless to me
[01:54] <mdke> it's not for speedgain
[01:54] <mdke> its the extra control you get over what to build and what not to build
[01:54] <rob^> I'd rather just apt-get, make a coffee and come back to a useable system again
[01:55] <mdke> indeed
[01:55] <mdke> i've converted my home server to Ubuntu too
[01:55] <rob^> if I wanted that control I'd just grab the debian source package and compile it then, hardly ever do you need it
[01:55] <mdke> i'm 100% ubuntu friendly
[01:56] <mdke> ahhh, if you're gonna compile, it's all about gentoo
[01:56] <mdke> portage is the best
[01:56] <rob^> I have a freebsd friend trying to convince me ports is even better
[01:57] <mdke> argh
[01:57] <mdke> eureka
[01:57] <rob^> but the question is, do you really want to?
[01:57] <mdke> it's a pain when people delete pages accidentally
[01:58] <rob^> mmm random acts of deleteage
[01:58] <rob^> I'm not sure if thats actually a word though :)
[02:00] <rob^> hehe that freak on lotr with the split personality is on tv
[02:04] <mdke> we also need to find a way to include the help.u.c headerlogo into all our built docs
[02:04] <mdke> that would be nice
[02:05] <mdke> and doc.u.c on the preview ones
[02:05] <rob^> the big brown thing?
[02:05] <mdke> yeah
[02:05] <rob^> make them look like part of the site?
[02:05] <mdke> exactly
[02:05] <mdke> don't you think?
[02:05] <rob^> I think we need to add proper anchors to the html too
[02:05] <rob^> yeah
[02:05] <mdke> see
[02:05] <mdke> http://help.ubuntu-it.org/guidabreezy/index.html
[02:06] <mdke> i did that by hand though :/
[02:06] <rob^> oh yeah, that looks good
[02:07] <rob^> how did you get the revision history at the bottom?
[02:09] <rob^> hmm some things broke in the translation
[02:09] <rob^> eg. application os="gnome">Synaptic
[02:10] <mdke> yeah
[02:10] <mdke> known bug
[02:11] <mdke> i moved the revision history manually
[02:11] <rob^> we really need a proper help tab on the main ubuntu site too
[02:11] <mdke> yes
[02:11] <mdke> that will hopefully come if we get the wiki moved
[02:12] <rob^> the one on the italian site looks good and makes help.u.c flow nicely
[02:12] <mdke> :)
[02:13] <mdke> we added the Guide one yesterday
[02:14] <rob^> I think not the help.u.c header, the main site header
[02:14] <rob^> for all of it, just adding documentation team on the doc.u.c site
[02:14] <rob^> the help.u.c should be a main page
[02:15] <mdke> we'll see how it goes
[02:15] <rob^> that quite frankly would rock
[02:15] <mdke> yeah
[02:15] <mdke> something to aim for in time for dapper
[02:16] <mdke> i'm discussing it with henrik and he is keen
[02:16] <rob^> good
[02:16] <mdke> it will take some time though
[02:16] <mdke> first thing is to get the wiki there
[02:16] <rob^> yeah
[02:17] <rob^> well I'm going to go watch the rest of the lotr movie and hit the sack
[02:17] <rob^> cya mdke 
[02:19] <mdke> bye mate
[05:22] <jsgotangco> hello
[05:37] <mdke> hi jsgotangco 
[05:37] <mdke> how's it going?
[05:39] <jsgotangco> not bad i got to steal some time again now
[05:39] <jsgotangco> hehe
[05:40] <mdke> :)
[05:40] <mdke> i'm playing with planet
[05:40] <mdke> http://help.ubuntu-it.org/output/
[05:41] <mdke> feedback pls
[05:42] <jsgotangco> what about hackergotchi stuff?
[05:45] <mdke> i think that can be floated in the top right of each post
[05:46] <mdke> what do you think?
[05:46] <mdke> or should it be on the left?
[05:46] <mdke> i personally have no hackergotchi
[05:47] <jsgotangco> well your peers would probably like one
[05:47] <jsgotangco> although it would look strangely too much like planet gnome...
[05:48] <mdke> sure I have nothing against them
[05:48] <mdke> it's just a question of where to put them
[05:49] <jsgotangco> the left is most appropriate i guess
[05:50] <jsgotangco> where is ubuntupeople hosted? a private server?
[05:50] <mdke> not sure
[06:25] <jsgotangco> who revision 1999
[06:26] <mdke> heh
[06:26] <mdke> quick!
[07:40] <highvoltage> mdke: hackergotchi, that's the pics on launchpad, right?
[07:40] <mdke> with a bloody mousepad no less
[07:41] <mdke> highvoltage, i think it means any picture of your head
[07:41] <mdke> hard to cut out your head with a synaptics touchpad
[07:41] <highvoltage> ah
[07:41] <highvoltage> i just used a southpark pic of me. https://launchpad.net/people/jonathan
[07:42] <highvoltage> wow. you have karma of 400.
[07:42] <jsgotangco> yeah he's pretty active in lp
[07:43] <mdke> it's from pushing through italian translations
[07:44] <mdke> highvoltage, jsgotangco, do either of you know how to use gimp?
[07:44] <highvoltage> i know a bit of gimp, i'm not a master though.
[07:45] <mdke> i've made my head, but am finding it hard to get big drop shadows on it
[07:45] <mdke> http://mdke.org/mdke_take1.png
[07:45] <jsgotangco> not much really
[07:45] <jsgotangco> not bad.
[07:45] <jsgotangco> add a drop shadow
[07:45] <mdke> there is one, but it is not fat enough
[07:46] <jsgotangco> lol i thought it was a faded pixel...
[07:46] <mdke> yeah similar
[07:47] <jsgotangco> you changed the color of your website to brown...
[07:47] <mdke> yeah
[07:47] <mdke> got bored of green
[07:48] <jsgotangco> wow your folks went to ayers rock
[07:48] <mdke> ugh
[07:48] <mdke> i need to get rid of those photos :D
[07:49] <mdke> ah there is only that one
[07:49] <mdke> phew
[07:49] <jsgotangco> yeah that pic of you and your gf is obviously scanned
[07:49] <mdke> yeah
[07:49] <mdke> i don't have many
[07:50] <jsgotangco> cute nonetheless
[07:50] <highvoltage> mdke: strange, i wouldn't recognise that as you. your hair was darker when i was in london, right?
[07:51] <mdke> not really
[07:51] <mdke> i took that photo just now
[07:51] <mdke> i don't _think_ it's changed colour :)
[07:51] <mdke> might just be the light
[07:52] <mdke> heh
[07:52] <mdke> i'll try and figure out these damn shadows
[07:54] <mdke> highvoltage, did you mean "i wouldn't recognise that as you" in a good way, or a bad way...
[07:54] <highvoltage> mdke: you need to paste your head on a transparent background
[07:55] <mdke> oh
[07:55] <mdke> k
[07:55] <highvoltage> then Script-fu -> Shadow -> drop shadow
[07:55] <mdke> yeah i was there
[07:55] <highvoltage> cool! you have a go-opensource sticker on your pc!
[07:55] <mdke> heh
[07:55] <mdke> from you
[07:55] <highvoltage> mdke: with the white background? that would come out weird.
[07:55] <mdke> hmm
[07:55] <mdke> ok how do I get the background transparent?
[07:56] <mdke> I select the head, then do autocrop right?
[07:56] <highvoltage> i use a longer method, i'm sure there's a better way.
[07:56] <highvoltage> what i do is select the head, copy it,
[07:56] <highvoltage> then create a new image, choose transparent bg, then past the image on the transparent bg.
[07:56] <mdke> ok
[07:57] <jsgotangco> i just used my last sticker from RMS on my laptop
[07:57] <mdke> highvoltage, where do I get the transparent background?
[07:58] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: do you notice your head is well position here to look like you have horns http://www.flickr.com/photos/13916877@N00/52389877/
[07:59] <mdke> oh yeah that would be awesome
[07:59] <highvoltage> mdke: in the new picture dialog, you can click on 'more options' (or something like that) and choose transparent bg
[07:59] <mdke> ok trying
[08:00] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: hehe. yes.
[08:01] <mdke> ok now i need to figure out how to get a fatter shadow
[08:01] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i still don't know what you look like, you have a hackergotchi?
[08:04] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/13246813/in/set-367688/
[08:04] <jsgotangco> i'm the tired-looking asian :)
[08:04] <mdke> show him your daughter
[08:04] <mdke> (he has the cutest daughter)
[08:05] <jsgotangco> oh yeah
[08:06] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: where was that taken?
[08:06] <highvoltage> ah, udu. sorry, to lazy to read :)
[08:07] <Belutz> jsgotangco, nice pic :)
[08:07] <jsgotangco> Belutz: hey you're still awake as well :)
[08:08] <Belutz> yup
[08:08] <Belutz> waiting for early breakfast before fasting
[08:08] <Belutz> i wonder where i could get that lovely ubuntu brown shirt....
[08:09] <mdke> gah
[08:09] <mdke> i still can't get the shadow fatter
[08:09] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/5166461/in/set-367801/ is my wife and daughter
[08:09] <mdke> :)
[08:10] <Belutz> your daughter is cute :)
[08:10] <jsgotangco> she's grown already...and her hair is longer now
[08:10] <Belutz> how old is she now?
[08:11] <jsgotangco> will be 4 on january
[08:11] <Belutz> please say hi to your wife and daughter from indonesia :-)
[08:11] <jsgotangco> she just started taking e.nopi classes
[08:12] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: cool, i didn't even realise you were married :)
[08:13] <jsgotangco> where are you exactly?
[08:13] <highvoltage> me or Belutz?
[08:13] <Belutz> jsgotangco, me? i'm currently in jakarta
[08:13] <jsgotangco> Belutz
[08:14] <jsgotangco> ahhh nice
[08:14] <Belutz> before that i was in bandung for 10 years
[08:14] <jsgotangco> i got the chance to visit jakarta and bali before
[08:15] <mdke> argh
[08:15] <mdke> so close :)
[08:15] <mdke> http://mdke.org/mdke_take2.png
[08:15] <Belutz> i've never been to bali
[08:15] <jsgotangco> well you do hvae a huge country to begin with
[08:15] <jsgotangco> he
[08:15] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:16] <Belutz> nice one mdke :)
[08:16] <Belutz> jsgotangco, yup
[08:16] <mdke> it's badly cropped at the sides though
[08:17] <Belutz> oh damn, i was installing the breezy preview :-(
[08:17] <Belutz> gotta get rid of that cd
[08:20] <Belutz> yep, i was suppose to install breezy release... :p
[08:25] <mdke> http://mdke.org/mdke_take3.png
[08:25] <mdke> that's enough for now
[08:25] <mdke> thanks highvoltage for those tips
[08:25] <jsgotangco> getting better
[08:26] <mdke> still not perfect
[08:26] <mdke> but I can't be bothered to improve it without a mouse
[08:26] <segfault> mdke: pong
[08:27] <mdke> segfault, sorry I forgot to unping ya
[08:27] <mdke> thanks though
[08:27] <segfault> heh, np
[08:27] <mdke> segfault, i was installing planet on ubuntu-it and wanted your advice
[08:27] <mdke> but I resolved
[08:28] <mdke> not sure if you did the BR one anyhow
[08:28] <segfault> i didn't, but could as who did
[08:28] <segfault> have you seen it?
[08:28] <segfault> err, s/as/ask/
[08:29] <mdke> yeah
[08:29] <mdke> looks good
[08:29] <mdke> but I sorted it out
[08:29] <mdke> my main problem was where to download the software
[08:29] <segfault> hehe
[08:29] <segfault> planetplanet.org
[08:30] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:30] <mdke> yeah but it's not obvious from the website
[08:30] <mdke> I had to baz get it
[08:30] <mdke> segfault, btw
[08:31] <mdke> are you working on learnlinux?
[08:31] <segfault> yeah, just playing around though
[08:31] <segfault> i'm talking with jordi to get it into Rosetta
[08:31] <mdke> can we take it out of our repository? is it hosted elsewhere?
[08:32] <segfault> yes i guess
[08:32] <segfault> do you know who uploaded it to the repo?
[08:32] <mdke> sean
[08:33] <segfault> i'll talk to them later to see how he generated the pdf available at learnlinux.tsf.org.za
[08:33] <segfault> err, him.
[08:33] <mdke> cool
[08:33] <mdke> i'll leave it in the repo for now
[08:33] <mdke> but it shouldn't really be there, especially cos no one has used it
[08:33] <segfault> heh
[08:33] <jsgotangco> segfault: talk to sean, he admins the docs at tsf.org.za
[08:34] <jsgotangco> segfault: lots of docs there as well, the open icdl, tuxlabs, etc.
[08:34] <jsgotangco> well everything tsf basically
[08:34] <segfault> great, i'll mail him
[08:34] <segfault> those docs looks good
[08:34] <segfault> we're translating them to pt_BR
[08:35] <jsgotangco> mdke: i'd remove it, its probably outdated now
[08:35] <jsgotangco> mdke: or better inform the list i guess
[08:35] <jsgotangco> tsf has its own svn
[08:36] <mdke> we'll leave it a couple of days then delete
[08:36] <mdke> I've put it on the agenda for next week's meeting anyhow
[08:36] <mdke> we need to clean house a bit
[08:49] <mdke> jsgotangco, still around?
[08:50] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:50] <jsgotangco> about to sleep though
[08:51] <segfault> jordi: thanks!
[08:51] <segfault> ops
[08:51] <mdke> jsgotangco, http://help.ubuntu.com/output
[08:52] <mdke> argh
[08:52] <mdke> sorry
[08:52] <mdke> jsgotangco, http://help.ubuntu-it.org/output
[08:53] <jsgotangco> hehe nice one already! just clean up the white pixels and make the shadow a bit thinner i guess
[08:54] <mdke> what about the page?
[08:54] <mdke> any suggestions?
[08:54] <mdke> lemme just see if I can link the photo
[08:54] <mdke> gah
[08:56] <jsgotangco> hmm try adding a border or somethign to separate between blog entries
[08:57] <mdke> good idea
[08:58] <mdke> done
[09:04] <jsgotangco> its getting better
[09:05] <jsgotangco> well i gotta sleep
[09:05] <jsgotangco> its 3am
[09:05] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:05] <mdke> night
[09:05] <mdke> crazy
[09:30] <lucy> ciao
[09:31] <mdke> hello
[09:34] <lucy> sono roumen qui????
[09:35] <lucy> hello
[09:35] <lucy> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:35] <lucy> romenia here????
[09:36] <mdke> no
[09:36] <mdke> try #ubuntu-ro
[09:37] <lucy> gratie
[09:37] <lucy> merci
[09:37] <mdke> :)
[09:42] <lucy> bey