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RiddellI'll make a mental note to review it12:02
linlinctorrent is an easy build, so its probally easy to add12:06
dfarningAny package suggestions for a new Ubutu builder I got checked out http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates I like and use jedit it that too tought for first go round?12:43
dfarningI've done some rpm packaging of java stuff but it was a big pain in the butt!12:44
KyralJava is a pain to begin with12:49
Kyraloh wait....I'm crashing tonight ;P12:49
dfarningI'm interested in jedit because it is the editor of choice at my local tech college for all the intr classes12:52
dfarningI thought if I can insure that all the schools apps are present I'll have a  better time getting them to dual boot the computer labs;)12:55
minghua_dfarning: does jedit build with a free java stack?12:55
dfarningminghua_: I have not yet tried it. I do know  there is a native jedit in fc4 so it can be done.12:57
crimsunprobably similar to how eclipse-platform was handled12:58
minghua_dfarning: that sound encouraging12:58
dfarningvery similar native .so are built and distributed while exensions can be download and under gcj01:00
minghua_I don't know much about java, but I suppose if it can be built with free java stack, it has a good chance01:03
minghua_a lot of people are trying to build java stuff for debian as well01:03
minghua_so maybe asking there first would be wise01:03
dfarningI'll give it a shot.  I'll see what I can find out at debian.01:04
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LaserJockajmitch: ping?01:44
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hubI have a question about the kernel source package02:03
hubbecause I'm evaluating the packaging a useful tool02:03
hubsysprof02:03
hubthat requires it02:03
crimsunlinux-source-2.6.12 (Breezy), linux-source-2.6.10 (Hoary), linux-source-2.6.8.1 (Warty)02:05
hubyep but that install a tar.gz02:05
hubor something02:05
hub/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.12.tar.bz202:05
crimsunyes, untar it02:06
crimsunthat's the entire tree with the Ubuntu patches applied02:06
hubyes, but I'm thinking packaging wise02:06
hubsysprof needs an extracted kernel tree02:07
crimsunit needs the entire tree?02:07
crimsunnot just the headers?02:07
hubapparently02:07
hubnot that sure02:07
crimsunthat would be fairly nasty to package02:08
hubjust the headers apparently02:08
crimsunoh, that's not bad then02:08
crimsunyou can just roll a source package, ala oprofile-source, fuse-source, alsa-source, etc.  Basically, *-source02:09
crimsunThe user will apt-get install foo-source and module-assistant02:09
hublinux-kernel-headers package does not match the linux-kernel package version02:10
crimsunlinux-kernel-headers is not what you think it is02:10
hubah02:10
crimsunyou want linux-headers-$(uname -r)02:10
crimsunl-k-h is part of the toolchain02:10
hubright02:10
hubI'll try that02:11
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hubwhich compiler is used to build the kernel?02:11
hubgcc-3.4?02:11
crimsunyes02:12
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robertjheya all. Dia defaults anti-aliasing to off, but it should probably be on. Additionally, there probably isn't a reason to even have the menu item there to disable it. Any thoughts?03:02
robertjmore than anything, I want to believe that deep down that option has a purpose03:02
LaserJockrobertj: have you filed a bug report?03:04
tritiumhi all03:08
LaserJockhi tritium03:08
tritiumWhat's up, LaserJock ?03:08
LaserJocknot much, trying to figure out some python-apt and working on a presentation for Tues. at school03:09
crimsunenjoying your Friday evening, Mike?03:09
tritiumYeah, how about you, crimsun?03:11
crimsunnot bad. Sifting through some packaging. Yourself?03:12
robertjLaserJack: no, was asking first03:12
robertjLaser: just as to whether it was really even an issue03:12
robertjmore interested really. From what I can tell that checkbox is purely historical from when it was to toggle on the "experimental crashy aa support" in 200203:13
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crimsunthat's a question best posed to upstream03:13
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robertjprolly03:14
LaserJockrobertj: you can file a bug at https://launchpad.net/malone03:14
tritiumokay, I'll ask upstream if they're enjoying their Friday evening ;)03:14
LaserJockthen people can reject it or accept it03:14
crimsuntritium: :p03:14
tritiumcrimsun, took the dog for a hike in the mountains03:14
crimsunexcellent!03:14
tritiumIt was nice to get away from work today.  :)03:15
LaserJockwe got today off for Nevada Day, whoohoo!03:15
tritiumnice03:15
LaserJockit was nice, but I had to get that grant proposal in and all the administrative staff were trying to leave03:16
crimsunman, you guys are lucky03:17
LaserJockcrimsun: how so ?03:18
crimsunLaserJock: "Nevada Day"?03:19
crimsunwe must not have any state pride or something :p03:20
LaserJockcrimsun: yeah, I am originally from Montana and we didn't have anything like that either03:20
LaserJockI think maybe they are trying to compensate for something ;-)03:21
tritiumI always thought Purdue was trying to compensate for something with their "world's largest drum"...03:22
LaserJocklol03:22
tritiumSo glad I never have to hear "Boiler Up" again...03:22
\shmoins03:24
crimsunmoin03:26
crimsunhow's Montreal?03:26
hubwho is in mtl right now?03:26
\shi fly in a couple of hours03:28
crimsun\sh: ah. Have a good flight!03:28
tritium\sh, are you the one who made tee shirts?03:28
\shtritium: i wanted...but no chance to do so...because of no time to much work in the last weeks03:29
hub\sh: see you there03:29
tritium\sh, ah, okay.  I can relate03:29
\shtritium: i thought after dapper I could do some fun stuff...but my company meant to have new ideas and new projects...:(03:30
crimsunwell, enjoy UBZ nonetheless ;-)03:30
tritium\sh, :(  I also read your email that you can't take personal electronics to work.  I can also relate to that...03:30
crimsuntritium: yeah, I spent a summer in a similar position with Argonne03:31
crimsunthough no doubt security at your lab is probably much more strict now03:31
tritiumcrimsun, yeah.  We're not even trusted with cell-phones, iPods, or anything, really.03:31
\shtritium: well yes..this is the biggest disadvantage :( everything which looks like computer external cdburner etc. are not allowed anymore...nonetheless I can bring in my cam...03:32
tritiumcrimsun, you're going to UBZ too?03:32
crimsuntritium: nope, have lecture obligations03:32
tritiumcrimsun, ah, right03:33
tritium\sh, that's interesting that they'll allow a cam03:33
\shtritium: no...they didn03:33
\sh't allow03:33
tritiumoh03:33
\shthey've not forbid the use of a cam ,)03:34
tritiumah03:34
tritiumbe back later...03:35
chillywillylo03:36
\shmoins chillywilly03:36
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chillywilly\sh: nice wiki ;)04:01
\shchillywilly: which wiki?04:04
\shuh ah..04:04
\shdang...now I understand ,-) too early in the morning04:04
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dfarningNo love for a native jedit.  Gcj is still missing several swing methods that are needed.04:18
dfarningIt will likely be awhile before they make into Ubuntu  gcj 4.1 or 4.204:19
dfarningIs it useful / allowable to include packages the require either blackdown or sun java?04:20
KyralIs there like a kernel option I need to enable to allow the kernel to open and close my CDROM drive?04:21
Kyrallike the drive door?04:21
Kyraltray04:21
Kyralthing04:21
crimsundfarning: no, it's impossible atm04:21
crimsundfarning: cf. Azureus.04:22
crimsunKyral: you could use 'eject'04:22
Kyralwell, I mean for like K3B ;P04:22
Kyraland it complains sometimes, the kernel, at boot04:23
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dfarningcrimsun: is Azureus available somewhere, I don't see it in breezy or dapper?04:28
crimsundfarning: that's why it's not available -- it depends on a commercial jre, which illustrates the situation that jedit is in04:28
crimsundfarning: you might want to work with debian-java to get it working with gcj04:29
KyralCouldn't we compile Azureus? I thought Java could be compiled into a binary independent of the JRE now04:29
dfarningcrimsun:  The changes are too extensive to be practical atm04:30
crimsunKyral: I don't understand what you're saying.04:30
KyralI thought that they found a way to compile Java code into a binary that didn't need a JRE to run04:30
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dfarningKyral:  not all java functions are available yet in classpath04:31
Kyralahh04:31
KyralI don't know much about Java so04:32
dfarningsomthing like 75% of the swing.text,* are missing04:32
KyralMeans nothing to me pal ;P04:33
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KyralI'm gonna assume that means that like a lib is missing ;P04:34
dfarningSomething like a good sized chunk of gtk;)04:35
Kyrallol okay04:35
KyralI'm prolly not gonna learn Java unless I have to04:35
KyralI'd rather learn Python04:35
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LaserJockKyral: me too04:36
KyralI just need a good resouice04:36
dfarningThe schools stress java because several of the local banks and insurance companies use it04:36
KyralHey LJ hows it going?04:36
LaserJockKyral: fine. you?04:37
Kyraleh okay04:37
KyralCollege is running me into the ground04:37
KyralAt least Ubuntu Love is on Sunday :D04:37
LaserJockI can't wait to get out of grad school some days04:38
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LaserJockUndergrad didn't seem so busy to me but maybe that's my old age showing ;-)04:39
KyralI'm learning PHP in one of my classes04:39
LaserJockKyral: cool, I wish I had taken some programming classes. I just have to learn it on my own04:40
KyralI'm a CS Major, it comes with the territory04:40
KyralIronically its a business class I'm learning PHP in, a Senior level one04:41
KyralThe funny thing is this is prolly 80% of the class first time doing any programming on the level of PHP (as opposed to HTML)04:41
LaserJockPHP seems to be pretty popular these days04:41
KyralMe, coming right from C++, I just learn the syntax of PHP and BAM!04:42
Kyralthough the fact that you don't specify what data type a varible is kinda throws me04:42
LaserJockwell, since I'm a scientist I got to learn Fortran first ;-)04:42
Kyral*shudder*04:42
KyralFortran...04:42
LaserJockwe still use it for virtually everything04:42
LaserJockalthough I am trying to move more towards Python04:43
KyralI figure I'll learn Python and Perl next04:43
Kyralsince PHP was derived from Perl which was derived from C++04:43
LaserJockmy boss pretty much uses Fortran and Perl exclusively with the occasional C if we need to talk to instruments04:44
\shKyral: what?04:44
Kyral\sh: Huh?04:44
LaserJockPerl was before C++ I thought04:44
\sh04:43 < Kyral> since PHP was derived from Perl which was derived from C++04:44
Kyralog04:44
KyralPerl was derived from C04:44
KyralI think...04:45
\shperl never is never was derived from c++04:45
\shneither from C04:45
KyralHmm, one of my professors told me that04:45
Kyralthen what is Perl derived from?04:45
\shit was build, because C and other high lvl languages were to complicated for text operations04:45
\shand php never was/is derived from perl04:45
Kyralhmm04:46
KyralRemind me to smack my professor ;P04:46
LaserJockhow much you paying for thos classes ;P04:46
\shphp (personal homepage processor) was build, because the author was in need of a dynamic generation of webpages, but not as CGI04:46
KyralI don't care what they came from, I just like'em ;P04:46
Kyral\sh, you know a good online resource to learn Python?04:47
LaserJockKyral: apt-get install diveintopython ?04:48
\shKyral: drpython and the python.org pages04:48
\shhttp://de2.php.net/history04:48
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\sh PHP succeeds an older product, named PHP/FI. PHP/FI was created by Rasmus Lerdorf in 1995, initially as a simple set of Perl scripts for tracking accesses to his online resume. He named this set of scripts 'Personal Home Page Tools'.04:49
KyralYah so you could say that PHP was decended from Perl ;P04:49
LaserJocknot operationally, but historically ?04:50
\shhmm..better to say in was inspired by perl but not derived :)04:50
Kyralyah04:50
\shthe concepts are completly different...same applies to python and c++04:50
KyralIsn't Python the preferred language for Ubuntu now?04:50
\shyes..mark is a python fanatic :)04:51
KyralHey if its good enough for the SDBDFL(Did I get that right?) its good enough for me ;P04:51
\shSABDFL :)04:51
\shanyways...time to shower04:52
LaserJockSABDFL, I love that04:52
KyralCan Python be byte compiled into a binary?04:52
Kyralto function without an interpreter?04:52
dfarningthere have been a few efforts but none work yet04:55
KyralSee, I hear the phrase "interpreted language" and I get images of the JRE04:55
Kyralwhich is the main reason I dislike Java04:55
LaserJockwhat would be the point?04:55
Kyralof?04:56
LaserJockhaving Python be byte compiled04:56
crimsunpeople might argue performance04:56
KyralWouldn't need its interpreter04:56
crimsunfrankly, I think ironpython is neater04:56
Kyralthe example I make is that Azureus has a memory footprint of ~ 30 MB04:57
LaserJockI would say that the Python interpreter is different from the JRE04:57
Kyralthe JRE that is needed to run it has a memory footprint of about 200 MB04:57
LaserJockpython is on a lot of linux computers by default and It is really easy to get going on Windows04:58
LaserJockand if performance is a problem then there are tricks to make it faster (using C underneath) or just using another language04:59
LaserJockI don't know though, but this seems to be a ongoing argument in the scientific computing circles05:00
KyralActually you CAN use the Boost libs to include Python code in C++ code and vice versa05:00
LaserJockKyral: I use scipy for scientific stuff and it uses Fortran and C and my programs are only 1.5 - 5 times slower than pure Fortran/C05:02
LaserJockcompared to >100 slower for pure Python05:02
Kyralah05:02
KyralActually I saw an option in the kernel to allow you to insert any language into the kernel05:03
dfarningI've had good luck writing the code in python quick and easy, then rewriting the bottle necks as c modules05:03
LaserJockyeah, I don't know if any language is going to work perfectly for everything. That is why I use python for scripting and fortran for computationally intensive stuff and C when I need to make an actual program05:04
LaserJockbut then I don't have very complicated needs. Mostly some number crunching with data file analysis05:05
KyralI guess the best option is to learn a bunch of core languages05:06
KyralLike C++, Python, Perl, PHP05:07
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KyralFrankly I love C++ and I think tis possible to do anything with the language, but I realize there are better tools out there05:07
KyralI should really get around to learning GTK or PyGTK05:08
LaserJockpython is the closest I have found so far for a language that does everything. Mostly because I can include Fortran code if I need to for things that python doesn't do well05:08
dfarningstart with gtk the documentation for pygtk is still pretty poor05:08
Kyralyah one of my friends is learning it and is quite upset with that point ;P05:09
LaserJockyeah, me too. I don't know C++ and barely any C so some of the gui stuff is hard for me to find documentation for05:09
KyralC++ is a good foundation I found05:10
KyralI was learning about PHP Arrays and the first thing I thought was "Oh crap.....pointer time"05:10
KyralThen the prof said "They are automatically resizeable" and I was like "SCORE! Vectors!"05:11
dfarningfrom my experience you can't really understand the pygtk bindings until grasp the why and how of gtk05:11
dfarningpygtk does some hand waving that can be confusing05:11
LaserJockdfarning: good food for thought, maybe I will try looking into gtk first05:12
KyralIf you ask anyone who knows my coding style, they will tell you that I dispise C Arrays and think they are old things that should be discarded in favor of Vectors05:12
Kyral"Why use an Array when you can use a Vector"05:13
dfarningcause in c they are really really fast05:14
KyralI don;t use C ;P05:14
KyralI use C++ :P05:14
LaserJockKyral: have you been to the ubuntuforums Programming section?05:14
Kyralyah sometimes05:14
KyralOkay laundry done, ANIME!05:15
LaserJockthey have some good flame wars sometimes05:15
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KyralI generally helpout on the Desktop Support and ABT forum,s05:15
KyralNew User Network Mentor :D05:15
LaserJockthere are some good Java vs. C++ vs. Python kindda05:15
LaserJockwars05:15
Kyralbut now I'm watching Ai Yori Aoshi :D05:16
LaserJockwell, we wouldn't want to get between you and your anime ;-)05:16
KyralYou have no idea how true that statement is ;P05:17
LaserJocksurely not, I've never watched any anime05:17
KyralOnly few people are important enough to me to tear me away from anime ;P05:18
LaserJocksounds like me and Ubuntu05:18
LaserJockmy wife is always telling me to get off the computer05:18
dfarningAre the skype distubution terms as found on http://www.skype.com/company/legal/promote/distributionterms.html acceptiable to Ubuntu05:19
\shdfarning: no05:19
\shif they were, we would distribute it already05:19
LaserJock\sh: do you know where there are any places to find cool packaging scripts or apt interaction scripts?05:20
\shLaserJock: what are "cool packaging scripts"?05:21
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dfarningI am going through the wish list looking for a good package to start working on looks like you all got most all the good (easy)ones:05:22
LaserJock\sh: well hard to say exactly. I would like stuff to get info about the apt cache. I am trying to compare the list of installed Universe packages to what I have installed05:22
bhuvandfarning: its true :) i faced the same problem too05:23
dfarningbhuvan: got any suggestions for me.05:23
bhuvanlook into migration breezy->dapper tasks05:26
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bhuvansomeone can point a sample bug in bugzilla/malone ??05:26
dfarningIs there a wiki on the migration05:27
Amaranthdfarning: Why? Is the wiki down?05:27
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LaserJockright now I think it is mostly bugfixing but I'm not sure05:29
dfarningI am new to Ubuntu and have not really figured out how to effectently find stuff on the wiki05:30
LaserJockdfarning: what are you looking for?05:30
dfarningInfo on helping with the breezy -> dapper migration05:31
LaserJockwell you can always go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo but right now I don't know if there is much beyond bug fixing and new packages05:32
dfarningI get bound up in what is in the wiki, the forums, launchpad, or bugzilla;)05:32
LaserJockright now I think that there is the Merge-O-Matic where packages are being synced with Debian sid05:33
dfarningthanks i'll start there05:33
AmaranthLaserJock: aye, that'll run for awhile, then we'll make sure everything is synced properly, then bugfixing.05:34
\shLaserJock: MOM is not running05:34
AmaranthAnd new not-from-debian packages go in that whole time too.05:34
Amaranth\sh: It's stopped already?05:34
\shAmaranth: it didn05:35
\sh't run05:35
\shfor dapper05:35
LaserJock\sh:manual merge only?05:35
Amaranth\sh: I could have sworn they fired it up early this week.05:35
\shwhat u see now in bugzilla is the rest of mom universe from breezy05:35
AmaranthWait, no, they were just working on removing packages that came from sid but aren't there anymore.05:35
\shAmaranth: but i'll ask keybuk when hes starting05:35
Amaranthlike php305:35
\shLaserJock: yes05:36
LaserJockbut MOM will be working sometime in the future?05:36
AmaranthAfter UBZ, I'd guess.05:37
\shdepends05:37
\shif keybuk fixes mom yes05:37
AmaranthThey're going to figure all that out at UBZ.05:37
LaserJockhmm, darn scroll mouse ;-)05:38
AmaranthAt least that's what I've understood from the mailing list.05:38
LaserJockmy chat window is going nuts05:38
LaserJockpiece of Windows crap05:38
LaserJockso, if it is not fixed, will there be a replacement? or will it be left to the MOTU and wannabes?05:41
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\shAmaranth: u r not attending ubz?05:44
Amaranth\sh: I can't.05:44
Amaranth\sh: Work, school, and a lack of funds.05:44
\shAmaranth: sad :(05:44
\shyeah know that feeling05:45
LaserJockhow long is UBZ?05:45
\shthe ubuntu section 1 week05:45
\shthe launchpad section 1 1/2 week05:45
LaserJockwow, that would be hard to get away for that long05:46
\shLaserJock: most of the motus will stay only until the 6th..so first week05:46
whiprushhi \sh05:50
\shhey whiprush good morning :)05:50
whiprushI won't be making it this time. :( I was hoping to meet you.05:50
whiprushattend a smoker's bof for me with ogra and dholbach though05:51
\shwhiprush: read your entry :(05:51
whiprushwell, it'll make it that much easier to go to the next one. :)05:51
\shwhiprush: whereever it is :)05:52
whiprushnothing interesting ever happens in the states.05:53
whiprushI'm sure it will be wherever it's most expensive and far away from me, heh.05:53
\shwhiprush: but I have/had many problems during the last weeks...they wanted me to stop going on vacations, because of our projects in the company05:53
whiprushouch.05:53
whiprushyour job looks interesting05:54
\shwhiprush: and somehow yesterday everybody had their salary on the account but not me...so i'm flying now without a cent in my pocket to canada05:54
whiprushthat huge display NOC-looking thing looked neat.05:54
\shand hope that my salary is on my account on monday latest05:54
whiprushyeah I don't get paid until monday myself.05:54
whiprushyeah, I feel you man.05:54
\shwell...borrow some bucks from siretart or ogra during the weekend...I'm really frustrated because of this..05:55
\shand my problems with take offs and landings don't make things better05:55
whiprushlots of stops?05:55
\shwhiprush: flying from cologne to frankfurt and from frankfurt to montreal05:56
\shwhiprush: i'll take some photos...and post them during my stay in montreal on my gallery and send a link via blog :) so u won't miss anything :)06:07
dfarningHey, just found  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile.  Would adding .desktop files be a good way to learn the mechanices of the package rebuild process?06:13
\shyes06:13
dfarningcool, I'll get crackin'06:14
LaserJockdfarning: just make sure that there really isn't a correct .desktop file first. That list is old (Hoary), I think.06:14
Amaranthdfarning: And they're easy to do, you can basically copy and paste another app's file and do some light editing.06:14
LaserJockI have been meaning to talk to someone about the UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile. Do we really need to have all of those in the menu?06:15
LaserJockI personally think that the Debian menu is incredibly cluttered and anti-productive06:16
LaserJockbut maybe that is where Amaranth is here to save the day ;-)06:16
\shLaserJock: thats why we need a .desktop file :)06:16
Amaranth.desktop files can be turned off, tucked away somewhere, and generally managed better06:16
AmaranthLaserJock: Just use smeg or alacarte to hide the entire Debian menu. :)06:17
LaserJock\sh: but aren't we just moving stuff from the Debian menu to the ubuntu menu?06:17
\shLaserJock: debian uses the .menu style somehow...06:17
AmaranthLaserJock: command line apps shouldn't get .desktop files, so not everything will be copied.06:17
LaserJockI am just wondering if we fix UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile, will we have a huge mess on our hands?06:18
LaserJockAmaranth: that is what I am talking about06:18
Amaranth\sh: Someone wrote a script (I think it's in the menu package) that converts the Debian menu system into a .menu file and such.06:18
LaserJockDon't we need to make some decision as to what to put into the Ubuntu menu?06:18
AmaranthAt least that was my understanding of it when I was talking to the guy that did it.06:18
\shAmaranth: lets see at ubz..06:19
\shwell...I'm switching off now..pack the laptop in my bag...and lay down for some minutes..to calm down my stomach06:19
Amaranth\sh: It's already done, it's how the Debian menu shows up as a submenu in GNOME.06:19
\shAmaranth: yeah..but i don't like the debian menu ,)06:19
LaserJock\sh: have a good flight06:19
\shanyways...06:19
\shsee u when i have connection in montreal :)06:20
Amaranth\sh: Bye, have fun at ubz. :)06:20
AmaranthDon't wear shorts!06:20
\shthx guys...06:20
\shheheh06:20
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AmaranthThat's pretty close to 0C for you metric folks.06:20
LaserJockyeah, at my undergrad in Montana we had some Hawiian guys who would run out in their "skirts" and nothing else in the middle winter. Yikes!06:21
LaserJockAmaranth: do you see my concern with UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile ?06:22
AmaranthLaserJock: Yeah, but most of the stuff in there is either a command line app (shouldn't have a .desktop file), useful, or geek stuff that probably won't show up for normal users.06:23
AmaranthLaserJock: At least that's what I have in my Debian menu when it magically shows up after installing things.06:24
LaserJockbut if we are sending people in to make .desktop files won't that be a problem06:24
AmaranthLaserJock: No matter what, we want that menu to never show up. :)06:24
AmaranthLaserJock: Read what I said...06:24
LaserJockright, but if we say go work on the list and the list has CLI apps then they will show up06:25
AmaranthLaserJock: They don't get in without being accepted, unless a MOTU with upload rights is doing them.06:26
AmaranthBut that list seems to be left for newcomers to chew on.06:26
LaserJockwell, maybe I will put something on the wiki page to let people know that they need to think about what they adding to the menu06:27
AmaranthYeah.06:27
AmaranthNo CLI apps in the menu! :)06:28
LaserJockAmaranth: is there a case were a CLI app would need a .desktop file? mime-type handling or anything like that06:33
AmaranthLaserJock: Yuck. The day we need a CLI app to handle a mime-type is the day we've failed.06:33
LaserJockthat is what I would think but I just wondered06:33
AmaranthAnd should all give up and find a new hobby.06:33
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KyralAmaranth, the day we have failed is the day Linus uses Windows ;P06:50
AmaranthKyral: He already uses a PowerPC, we're slipping. :)06:50
KyralYes but does he run Linux on it ;P06:51
bhuvaniirc, he runs mac ?06:52
Amaranthit's a powerpc, yeah06:55
Amaranthbut it'll never run OS X06:55
LaserJockmy boss is a die hard linux fan but he just recently got an iMac from the university and he seems fairly happy with it so far06:56
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LaserJockof course all he needs is fvwm, emacs, firefox, and acroread06:57
Amaranth*shudder*06:58
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Amaranthone nice thing about OS X is their vfs layer is very low level06:58
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Amaranthfopen() works on http://, from what i've been told06:59
Amaranthi'd like to see that in the linux kernel some day06:59
LaserJockyeah, cool06:59
LaserJockdoes anybody know how big the entire main and universe repository is?07:00
Amaranthwith source i think it's around 110GB07:03
farruinnIf I run a python program (solfege) and it throws a bunch of dependency warinings at me, I take it that package needs to be updated for use with Ubuntu's python?07:03
farruinns/dependency/deprecation07:03
LaserJockAmaranth: dang, that's huge07:03
AmaranthUbuntu Distro Stats on breezy... 17902 packages, 1641 maintainers, 34780 MB installed size, 10804 MB compressed size.07:04
Amaranththat's without source07:04
farruinnthat's main and universe, right?07:04
Amaranthmain, restricted, universe, multiverse07:04
Amaranthat least afaik, the bot spit it out07:05
LaserJockwell, hmm. I want to make the list from UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile but I think I might need to download all of the .debs07:05
LaserJockmaybe not though07:05
Amaranth*shrug*07:05
AmaranthI think someone has a script that finds the packages and updates the wiki07:06
LaserJock10804 MB would be ok though07:06
Amaranthugh07:06
AmaranthMicrosoft threatens to pull Windows from an entire _country_ and their stock goes up.07:07
LaserJockKorea right?07:07
Amaranthyeah07:07
Amaranththeir stock rose 68 cents07:07
Amaranththat's just sad07:07
LaserJockhmm, that just seems wierd07:07
dfarningoverall the market was up Dow Gains 172, Nasdaq Up 26 on GDP Growth07:09
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siretartmorning07:23
LaserJockevening ;-)07:23
crimsunreally early morning ;-)07:26
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siretart7:30am over here07:31
farruinnheh, that'd be really early for me ;)07:33
Treenaks7:30 here too :)07:34
TreenaksPlane to UBZ in 7 hours, 20 minutes07:35
farruinnI'm so excited, Montreal is only 2 hours away!07:35
LaserJock10:30 here and almost time to go to bed07:35
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[Chameleon] have fun, do lots of cool hacker stuff. make your moms proud!07:37
LaserJockfarruinn: that would be cool. I don't think I will ever get to go to a Ubuntu meeting07:37
hubfarruinn: montreal is here07:37
hub:-)07:37
farruinnI have school during the actual developer's conference, but I'm going for love day!07:38
farruinnhub: you live in montreal? I'm going to school in Potsdam, NY07:38
Treenaksfarruinn: cool07:38
hubi live in mtl, yes07:38
Treenaksfarruinn: want to be in a video? :)07:38
Treenaksfarruinn: http://foodfight.org/movies/Ubuntu%20Fanpeople/07:39
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siretartok, my is on the way to the airport. cu soon!07:44
crimsunbye07:44
farruinnjeff has a really manic look on his face in the first frame of his video07:45
Treenaksfarruinn: yeah, he did it on purpose :)07:45
Kyralnight all08:01
LaserJockgnight08:01
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zakamehi all08:05
LaserJockhi08:05
zakamewazup here?08:07
LaserJocknot much, a lot of people are heading to UBZ08:07
TreenaksANARCHY!08:08
Treenaks*ahem*08:08
zakamehaha08:08
zakameI suppose everybody's bringing their halloween costume :)08:09
Treenakszakame: nah :)08:09
TreenaksI'm scary enough by myself08:09
zakamehihi08:10
farruinnI'm feeling defeated: I downloaded the debian source package for Solfege 3.0.2 and compiled/packaged it with no problem. When I try to install the resulting *.deb thought I get the error: "/var/lib/dpkg/info/solfege.postinst: line 27: /usr/bin/python2.3: No such file or directory"08:12
farruinnthis line in the postinst script is trying to run /usr/bin/python$PV but I can't find where $PV is being set08:12
farruinnarg, please disregard that, I just found it08:13
farruinnSo what would have to happen for the current version of solfege (2.0.4) to be replaced with 3.0.2?08:18
crimsunhave you confirmed it works?08:21
crimsunif so, I'll upload the new one08:21
crimsunfarruinn: yes? no?08:32
farruinnI've found one bug, I'm looking to see if it's been reported upstream08:33
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farruinnI didn't find this bug, but it wasn't hard to fix08:57
farruinnso, to make the package build and run correctly I modified a grand total of 2 files08:58
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crimsunfarruinn: ok, debdiff please.09:36
crimsunI just found a cdbs bug09:36
crimsunsimple-patchsys.mk, actually.09:37
crimsunDebian's xfce4-terminal uses a patch with () in the filename, which nicely does nasty things.09:38
farruinnsorry crimsun, but I don't have a lot of experience working on the developer side of packages. What exactly do you want me to do with debdiff?09:39
crimsunfarruinn: if you generate a debdiff, I'll inspect it and then upload 3.0.209:40
farruinncrimsun: want me to just e-mail this to you?10:09
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dfarningWould the best way to handle the UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile be to make a patch fiel and submit it to the ppackage owner via malone?11:51
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Mezlo all01:47
Nafallomorning Mez :-)01:47
CaiN_SAajmitch,01:51
CaiN_SAdude when you comming ?01:51
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Mezhey treenaks, not on your way yet02:18
Seveasping: mythgame needs a rebuild it depends on libqt3c102-mt instead of libqt3-mt02:18
ajmitchhi02:18
ajmitchMez: still at home, are you?02:19
Nafalloajmitch: http://www.magicalforest.se/~nafallo/fspot_segfault.txt ;-)02:34
Nafallodoesn't like to show my 3565 hidden amateur pornphotos :-P02:34
ajmitchgreat, you broke it02:35
Nafallohehe02:35
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zakamehi all02:37
Nafalloanyway, shower02:38
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ajmitchafter so many hours on the plane.. I need noise around me, it's too quiet! :)02:43
zakamehahaha02:44
ajmitchmy ears are seriously ringing after ~24 hours of flight time02:45
tsengnow you know how everyone felt at UDU02:45
ajmitchyeah02:46
tseng"death"02:46
ajmitchit was only a nice short 3 hours for me02:46
tsengthe worst part about the flight for me was.. trying to get up to the bathroom02:47
tsengand not being able to shower for a full 24 hours02:47
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ajmitchonly 24 hours?02:47
tsengaround that02:47
ajmitchthat's the next thing I'll do02:47
ajmitchafter IRC of course02:47
tsengoh man02:47
tsengi was about to punch out the Vibe staffers until i could get into my room02:47
tsengget a shower02:48
ajmitchyeah I got in fairly quickly here02:48
tsengi had to go to the park next door02:48
ajmitchjust unwinding before I go for the shower02:48
tsengand join some aussies throwing candy at passersby02:48
tsengand drinking rum and coke at noon time02:48
tsengits a rough life down there02:49
ajmitchoh yes02:49
tsengthe 42nd most bookmarked site on del.icio.us is... del.icio.us02:50
tseng2404 links02:50
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zakameooh03:01
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Riddellwho's aa in canadia?03:35
zakameaa?03:37
freeflyingRiddellhi03:37
tsengalcoholics anonymous03:37
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Riddellgood morning freeflying03:38
zakameah03:39
zakamethought was associate in arts :)03:39
freeflyingRiddell: It's night here :)03:40
freeflyingRiddell: I want to build skim in one package just now03:40
freeflyingfor there are some problems to be solved03:41
ajmitchhello CaiN_SA, Riddell03:42
ajmitchCaiN_SA: where are you at the moment?03:43
CaiN_SAim in cthe hotel03:44
CaiN_SA;)03:44
CaiN_SAwhy ?03:44
ajmitchright, I'm in my room at the moment03:44
ajmitchI got in a bit over an hour ago03:45
CaiN_SAlol03:45
CaiN_SAbut your ident sais03:45
CaiN_SAyou are in nz /03:45
CaiN_SA?03:45
ajmitchnz, I know03:45
ajmitchthat's what screen is for03:45
CaiN_SAah ;)03:45
CaiN_SAyou also in this chinatown holiday in ?03:45
ajmitchyes03:46
ajmitchI haven't had a look round yet03:46
Riddelleveryone is, wouldn't be much of a conference if we were in different places :)03:46
ajmitchsome people are staying elsewhere03:46
CaiN_SAah i see03:46
CaiN_SAbtw03:47
CaiN_SAi walked around outside03:47
CaiN_SA10000 million hotels03:47
CaiN_SAconference center is accross the street03:47
ajmitchoh good03:48
ajmitchI got in a bit late, I wonder if I can still get breakfast03:48
CaiN_SAdunno03:48
CaiN_SAdont eat the pancakes03:48
Riddellbreakfast is until 1003:48
CaiN_SAit tastes weird03:48
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ajmitchRiddell: then I'd better hurry :)03:49
ajmitchwhere is it?03:49
CaiN_SAby reception03:50
CaiN_SAthat chinese place03:50
CaiN_SAi came in last night03:50
ajmitchok03:50
CaiN_SAwent strait to sleep03:50
ajmitch2nd floor?03:50
CaiN_SAyeh03:50
ajmitchdo I need a voucher for this ppne?03:51
ajmitchs/ppne/one/03:51
ajmitchI'll find out, heading down there now if anyone wants to meetup :)03:51
Riddellyes you do03:52
tsengsounds like you are out a breakfast03:53
CaiN_SAyeah03:53
CaiN_SAask reception for 103:53
CaiN_SAi like the free internet tho03:54
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dereksdoes anyone here use avahi?04:52
dereksLathiat: you around?04:54
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Lathiatdereks: sup?06:23
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Riddell** #ubz for conference discussion07:17
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Kyralhey Mez10:15
Mezhi10:17
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KyralWait....does Ubuntu Love start at 9 AM EDT or 9 AM EST?10:27
Kyralbecause the time switch is tonight...10:28
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crimsunmm mythtv ftbfs on 2/3 arches due to old ffmpeg11:56
crimsunhooray11:56

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