Riddell | I'll make a mental note to review it | 12:02 |
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linlin | ctorrent is an easy build, so its probally easy to add | 12:06 |
dfarning | Any package suggestions for a new Ubutu builder I got checked out http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates I like and use jedit it that too tought for first go round? | 12:43 |
dfarning | I've done some rpm packaging of java stuff but it was a big pain in the butt! | 12:44 |
Kyral | Java is a pain to begin with | 12:49 |
Kyral | oh wait....I'm crashing tonight ;P | 12:49 |
dfarning | I'm interested in jedit because it is the editor of choice at my local tech college for all the intr classes | 12:52 |
dfarning | I thought if I can insure that all the schools apps are present I'll have a better time getting them to dual boot the computer labs;) | 12:55 |
minghua_ | dfarning: does jedit build with a free java stack? | 12:55 |
dfarning | minghua_: I have not yet tried it. I do know there is a native jedit in fc4 so it can be done. | 12:57 |
crimsun | probably similar to how eclipse-platform was handled | 12:58 |
minghua_ | dfarning: that sound encouraging | 12:58 |
dfarning | very similar native .so are built and distributed while exensions can be download and under gcj | 01:00 |
minghua_ | I don't know much about java, but I suppose if it can be built with free java stack, it has a good chance | 01:03 |
minghua_ | a lot of people are trying to build java stuff for debian as well | 01:03 |
minghua_ | so maybe asking there first would be wise | 01:03 |
dfarning | I'll give it a shot. I'll see what I can find out at debian. | 01:04 |
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LaserJock | ajmitch: ping? | 01:44 |
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hub | I have a question about the kernel source package | 02:03 |
hub | because I'm evaluating the packaging a useful tool | 02:03 |
hub | sysprof | 02:03 |
hub | that requires it | 02:03 |
crimsun | linux-source-2.6.12 (Breezy), linux-source-2.6.10 (Hoary), linux-source-2.6.8.1 (Warty) | 02:05 |
hub | yep but that install a tar.gz | 02:05 |
hub | or something | 02:05 |
hub | /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.12.tar.bz2 | 02:05 |
crimsun | yes, untar it | 02:06 |
crimsun | that's the entire tree with the Ubuntu patches applied | 02:06 |
hub | yes, but I'm thinking packaging wise | 02:06 |
hub | sysprof needs an extracted kernel tree | 02:07 |
crimsun | it needs the entire tree? | 02:07 |
crimsun | not just the headers? | 02:07 |
hub | apparently | 02:07 |
hub | not that sure | 02:07 |
crimsun | that would be fairly nasty to package | 02:08 |
hub | just the headers apparently | 02:08 |
crimsun | oh, that's not bad then | 02:08 |
crimsun | you can just roll a source package, ala oprofile-source, fuse-source, alsa-source, etc. Basically, *-source | 02:09 |
crimsun | The user will apt-get install foo-source and module-assistant | 02:09 |
hub | linux-kernel-headers package does not match the linux-kernel package version | 02:10 |
crimsun | linux-kernel-headers is not what you think it is | 02:10 |
hub | ah | 02:10 |
crimsun | you want linux-headers-$(uname -r) | 02:10 |
crimsun | l-k-h is part of the toolchain | 02:10 |
hub | right | 02:10 |
hub | I'll try that | 02:11 |
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hub | which compiler is used to build the kernel? | 02:11 |
hub | gcc-3.4? | 02:11 |
crimsun | yes | 02:12 |
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robertj | heya all. Dia defaults anti-aliasing to off, but it should probably be on. Additionally, there probably isn't a reason to even have the menu item there to disable it. Any thoughts? | 03:02 |
robertj | more than anything, I want to believe that deep down that option has a purpose | 03:02 |
LaserJock | robertj: have you filed a bug report? | 03:04 |
tritium | hi all | 03:08 |
LaserJock | hi tritium | 03:08 |
tritium | What's up, LaserJock ? | 03:08 |
LaserJock | not much, trying to figure out some python-apt and working on a presentation for Tues. at school | 03:09 |
crimsun | enjoying your Friday evening, Mike? | 03:09 |
tritium | Yeah, how about you, crimsun? | 03:11 |
crimsun | not bad. Sifting through some packaging. Yourself? | 03:12 |
robertj | LaserJack: no, was asking first | 03:12 |
robertj | Laser: just as to whether it was really even an issue | 03:12 |
robertj | more interested really. From what I can tell that checkbox is purely historical from when it was to toggle on the "experimental crashy aa support" in 2002 | 03:13 |
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crimsun | that's a question best posed to upstream | 03:13 |
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robertj | prolly | 03:14 |
LaserJock | robertj: you can file a bug at https://launchpad.net/malone | 03:14 |
tritium | okay, I'll ask upstream if they're enjoying their Friday evening ;) | 03:14 |
LaserJock | then people can reject it or accept it | 03:14 |
crimsun | tritium: :p | 03:14 |
tritium | crimsun, took the dog for a hike in the mountains | 03:14 |
crimsun | excellent! | 03:14 |
tritium | It was nice to get away from work today. :) | 03:15 |
LaserJock | we got today off for Nevada Day, whoohoo! | 03:15 |
tritium | nice | 03:15 |
LaserJock | it was nice, but I had to get that grant proposal in and all the administrative staff were trying to leave | 03:16 |
crimsun | man, you guys are lucky | 03:17 |
LaserJock | crimsun: how so ? | 03:18 |
crimsun | LaserJock: "Nevada Day"? | 03:19 |
crimsun | we must not have any state pride or something :p | 03:20 |
LaserJock | crimsun: yeah, I am originally from Montana and we didn't have anything like that either | 03:20 |
LaserJock | I think maybe they are trying to compensate for something ;-) | 03:21 |
tritium | I always thought Purdue was trying to compensate for something with their "world's largest drum"... | 03:22 |
LaserJock | lol | 03:22 |
tritium | So glad I never have to hear "Boiler Up" again... | 03:22 |
\sh | moins | 03:24 |
crimsun | moin | 03:26 |
crimsun | how's Montreal? | 03:26 |
hub | who is in mtl right now? | 03:26 |
\sh | i fly in a couple of hours | 03:28 |
crimsun | \sh: ah. Have a good flight! | 03:28 |
tritium | \sh, are you the one who made tee shirts? | 03:28 |
\sh | tritium: i wanted...but no chance to do so...because of no time to much work in the last weeks | 03:29 |
hub | \sh: see you there | 03:29 |
tritium | \sh, ah, okay. I can relate | 03:29 |
\sh | tritium: i thought after dapper I could do some fun stuff...but my company meant to have new ideas and new projects...:( | 03:30 |
crimsun | well, enjoy UBZ nonetheless ;-) | 03:30 |
tritium | \sh, :( I also read your email that you can't take personal electronics to work. I can also relate to that... | 03:30 |
crimsun | tritium: yeah, I spent a summer in a similar position with Argonne | 03:31 |
crimsun | though no doubt security at your lab is probably much more strict now | 03:31 |
tritium | crimsun, yeah. We're not even trusted with cell-phones, iPods, or anything, really. | 03:31 |
\sh | tritium: well yes..this is the biggest disadvantage :( everything which looks like computer external cdburner etc. are not allowed anymore...nonetheless I can bring in my cam... | 03:32 |
tritium | crimsun, you're going to UBZ too? | 03:32 |
crimsun | tritium: nope, have lecture obligations | 03:32 |
tritium | crimsun, ah, right | 03:33 |
tritium | \sh, that's interesting that they'll allow a cam | 03:33 |
\sh | tritium: no...they didn | 03:33 |
\sh | 't allow | 03:33 |
tritium | oh | 03:33 |
\sh | they've not forbid the use of a cam ,) | 03:34 |
tritium | ah | 03:34 |
tritium | be back later... | 03:35 |
chillywilly | lo | 03:36 |
\sh | moins chillywilly | 03:36 |
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chillywilly | \sh: nice wiki ;) | 04:01 |
\sh | chillywilly: which wiki? | 04:04 |
\sh | uh ah.. | 04:04 |
\sh | dang...now I understand ,-) too early in the morning | 04:04 |
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dfarning | No love for a native jedit. Gcj is still missing several swing methods that are needed. | 04:18 |
dfarning | It will likely be awhile before they make into Ubuntu gcj 4.1 or 4.2 | 04:19 |
dfarning | Is it useful / allowable to include packages the require either blackdown or sun java? | 04:20 |
Kyral | Is there like a kernel option I need to enable to allow the kernel to open and close my CDROM drive? | 04:21 |
Kyral | like the drive door? | 04:21 |
Kyral | tray | 04:21 |
Kyral | thing | 04:21 |
crimsun | dfarning: no, it's impossible atm | 04:21 |
crimsun | dfarning: cf. Azureus. | 04:22 |
crimsun | Kyral: you could use 'eject' | 04:22 |
Kyral | well, I mean for like K3B ;P | 04:22 |
Kyral | and it complains sometimes, the kernel, at boot | 04:23 |
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dfarning | crimsun: is Azureus available somewhere, I don't see it in breezy or dapper? | 04:28 |
crimsun | dfarning: that's why it's not available -- it depends on a commercial jre, which illustrates the situation that jedit is in | 04:28 |
crimsun | dfarning: you might want to work with debian-java to get it working with gcj | 04:29 |
Kyral | Couldn't we compile Azureus? I thought Java could be compiled into a binary independent of the JRE now | 04:29 |
dfarning | crimsun: The changes are too extensive to be practical atm | 04:30 |
crimsun | Kyral: I don't understand what you're saying. | 04:30 |
Kyral | I thought that they found a way to compile Java code into a binary that didn't need a JRE to run | 04:30 |
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dfarning | Kyral: not all java functions are available yet in classpath | 04:31 |
Kyral | ahh | 04:31 |
Kyral | I don't know much about Java so | 04:32 |
dfarning | somthing like 75% of the swing.text,* are missing | 04:32 |
Kyral | Means nothing to me pal ;P | 04:33 |
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Kyral | I'm gonna assume that means that like a lib is missing ;P | 04:34 |
dfarning | Something like a good sized chunk of gtk;) | 04:35 |
Kyral | lol okay | 04:35 |
Kyral | I'm prolly not gonna learn Java unless I have to | 04:35 |
Kyral | I'd rather learn Python | 04:35 |
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LaserJock | Kyral: me too | 04:36 |
Kyral | I just need a good resouice | 04:36 |
dfarning | The schools stress java because several of the local banks and insurance companies use it | 04:36 |
Kyral | Hey LJ hows it going? | 04:36 |
LaserJock | Kyral: fine. you? | 04:37 |
Kyral | eh okay | 04:37 |
Kyral | College is running me into the ground | 04:37 |
Kyral | At least Ubuntu Love is on Sunday :D | 04:37 |
LaserJock | I can't wait to get out of grad school some days | 04:38 |
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LaserJock | Undergrad didn't seem so busy to me but maybe that's my old age showing ;-) | 04:39 |
Kyral | I'm learning PHP in one of my classes | 04:39 |
LaserJock | Kyral: cool, I wish I had taken some programming classes. I just have to learn it on my own | 04:40 |
Kyral | I'm a CS Major, it comes with the territory | 04:40 |
Kyral | Ironically its a business class I'm learning PHP in, a Senior level one | 04:41 |
Kyral | The funny thing is this is prolly 80% of the class first time doing any programming on the level of PHP (as opposed to HTML) | 04:41 |
LaserJock | PHP seems to be pretty popular these days | 04:41 |
Kyral | Me, coming right from C++, I just learn the syntax of PHP and BAM! | 04:42 |
Kyral | though the fact that you don't specify what data type a varible is kinda throws me | 04:42 |
LaserJock | well, since I'm a scientist I got to learn Fortran first ;-) | 04:42 |
Kyral | *shudder* | 04:42 |
Kyral | Fortran... | 04:42 |
LaserJock | we still use it for virtually everything | 04:42 |
LaserJock | although I am trying to move more towards Python | 04:43 |
Kyral | I figure I'll learn Python and Perl next | 04:43 |
Kyral | since PHP was derived from Perl which was derived from C++ | 04:43 |
LaserJock | my boss pretty much uses Fortran and Perl exclusively with the occasional C if we need to talk to instruments | 04:44 |
\sh | Kyral: what? | 04:44 |
Kyral | \sh: Huh? | 04:44 |
LaserJock | Perl was before C++ I thought | 04:44 |
\sh | 04:43 < Kyral> since PHP was derived from Perl which was derived from C++ | 04:44 |
Kyral | og | 04:44 |
Kyral | Perl was derived from C | 04:44 |
Kyral | I think... | 04:45 |
\sh | perl never is never was derived from c++ | 04:45 |
\sh | neither from C | 04:45 |
Kyral | Hmm, one of my professors told me that | 04:45 |
Kyral | then what is Perl derived from? | 04:45 |
\sh | it was build, because C and other high lvl languages were to complicated for text operations | 04:45 |
\sh | and php never was/is derived from perl | 04:45 |
Kyral | hmm | 04:46 |
Kyral | Remind me to smack my professor ;P | 04:46 |
LaserJock | how much you paying for thos classes ;P | 04:46 |
\sh | php (personal homepage processor) was build, because the author was in need of a dynamic generation of webpages, but not as CGI | 04:46 |
Kyral | I don't care what they came from, I just like'em ;P | 04:46 |
Kyral | \sh, you know a good online resource to learn Python? | 04:47 |
LaserJock | Kyral: apt-get install diveintopython ? | 04:48 |
\sh | Kyral: drpython and the python.org pages | 04:48 |
\sh | http://de2.php.net/history | 04:48 |
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\sh | PHP succeeds an older product, named PHP/FI. PHP/FI was created by Rasmus Lerdorf in 1995, initially as a simple set of Perl scripts for tracking accesses to his online resume. He named this set of scripts 'Personal Home Page Tools'. | 04:49 |
Kyral | Yah so you could say that PHP was decended from Perl ;P | 04:49 |
LaserJock | not operationally, but historically ? | 04:50 |
\sh | hmm..better to say in was inspired by perl but not derived :) | 04:50 |
Kyral | yah | 04:50 |
\sh | the concepts are completly different...same applies to python and c++ | 04:50 |
Kyral | Isn't Python the preferred language for Ubuntu now? | 04:50 |
\sh | yes..mark is a python fanatic :) | 04:51 |
Kyral | Hey if its good enough for the SDBDFL(Did I get that right?) its good enough for me ;P | 04:51 |
\sh | SABDFL :) | 04:51 |
\sh | anyways...time to shower | 04:52 |
LaserJock | SABDFL, I love that | 04:52 |
Kyral | Can Python be byte compiled into a binary? | 04:52 |
Kyral | to function without an interpreter? | 04:52 |
dfarning | there have been a few efforts but none work yet | 04:55 |
Kyral | See, I hear the phrase "interpreted language" and I get images of the JRE | 04:55 |
Kyral | which is the main reason I dislike Java | 04:55 |
LaserJock | what would be the point? | 04:55 |
Kyral | of? | 04:56 |
LaserJock | having Python be byte compiled | 04:56 |
crimsun | people might argue performance | 04:56 |
Kyral | Wouldn't need its interpreter | 04:56 |
crimsun | frankly, I think ironpython is neater | 04:56 |
Kyral | the example I make is that Azureus has a memory footprint of ~ 30 MB | 04:57 |
LaserJock | I would say that the Python interpreter is different from the JRE | 04:57 |
Kyral | the JRE that is needed to run it has a memory footprint of about 200 MB | 04:57 |
LaserJock | python is on a lot of linux computers by default and It is really easy to get going on Windows | 04:58 |
LaserJock | and if performance is a problem then there are tricks to make it faster (using C underneath) or just using another language | 04:59 |
LaserJock | I don't know though, but this seems to be a ongoing argument in the scientific computing circles | 05:00 |
Kyral | Actually you CAN use the Boost libs to include Python code in C++ code and vice versa | 05:00 |
LaserJock | Kyral: I use scipy for scientific stuff and it uses Fortran and C and my programs are only 1.5 - 5 times slower than pure Fortran/C | 05:02 |
LaserJock | compared to >100 slower for pure Python | 05:02 |
Kyral | ah | 05:02 |
Kyral | Actually I saw an option in the kernel to allow you to insert any language into the kernel | 05:03 |
dfarning | I've had good luck writing the code in python quick and easy, then rewriting the bottle necks as c modules | 05:03 |
LaserJock | yeah, I don't know if any language is going to work perfectly for everything. That is why I use python for scripting and fortran for computationally intensive stuff and C when I need to make an actual program | 05:04 |
LaserJock | but then I don't have very complicated needs. Mostly some number crunching with data file analysis | 05:05 |
Kyral | I guess the best option is to learn a bunch of core languages | 05:06 |
Kyral | Like C++, Python, Perl, PHP | 05:07 |
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Kyral | Frankly I love C++ and I think tis possible to do anything with the language, but I realize there are better tools out there | 05:07 |
Kyral | I should really get around to learning GTK or PyGTK | 05:08 |
LaserJock | python is the closest I have found so far for a language that does everything. Mostly because I can include Fortran code if I need to for things that python doesn't do well | 05:08 |
dfarning | start with gtk the documentation for pygtk is still pretty poor | 05:08 |
Kyral | yah one of my friends is learning it and is quite upset with that point ;P | 05:09 |
LaserJock | yeah, me too. I don't know C++ and barely any C so some of the gui stuff is hard for me to find documentation for | 05:09 |
Kyral | C++ is a good foundation I found | 05:10 |
Kyral | I was learning about PHP Arrays and the first thing I thought was "Oh crap.....pointer time" | 05:10 |
Kyral | Then the prof said "They are automatically resizeable" and I was like "SCORE! Vectors!" | 05:11 |
dfarning | from my experience you can't really understand the pygtk bindings until grasp the why and how of gtk | 05:11 |
dfarning | pygtk does some hand waving that can be confusing | 05:11 |
LaserJock | dfarning: good food for thought, maybe I will try looking into gtk first | 05:12 |
Kyral | If you ask anyone who knows my coding style, they will tell you that I dispise C Arrays and think they are old things that should be discarded in favor of Vectors | 05:12 |
Kyral | "Why use an Array when you can use a Vector" | 05:13 |
dfarning | cause in c they are really really fast | 05:14 |
Kyral | I don;t use C ;P | 05:14 |
Kyral | I use C++ :P | 05:14 |
LaserJock | Kyral: have you been to the ubuntuforums Programming section? | 05:14 |
Kyral | yah sometimes | 05:14 |
Kyral | Okay laundry done, ANIME! | 05:15 |
LaserJock | they have some good flame wars sometimes | 05:15 |
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Kyral | I generally helpout on the Desktop Support and ABT forum,s | 05:15 |
Kyral | New User Network Mentor :D | 05:15 |
LaserJock | there are some good Java vs. C++ vs. Python kindda | 05:15 |
LaserJock | wars | 05:15 |
Kyral | but now I'm watching Ai Yori Aoshi :D | 05:16 |
LaserJock | well, we wouldn't want to get between you and your anime ;-) | 05:16 |
Kyral | You have no idea how true that statement is ;P | 05:17 |
LaserJock | surely not, I've never watched any anime | 05:17 |
Kyral | Only few people are important enough to me to tear me away from anime ;P | 05:18 |
LaserJock | sounds like me and Ubuntu | 05:18 |
LaserJock | my wife is always telling me to get off the computer | 05:18 |
dfarning | Are the skype distubution terms as found on http://www.skype.com/company/legal/promote/distributionterms.html acceptiable to Ubuntu | 05:19 |
\sh | dfarning: no | 05:19 |
\sh | if they were, we would distribute it already | 05:19 |
LaserJock | \sh: do you know where there are any places to find cool packaging scripts or apt interaction scripts? | 05:20 |
\sh | LaserJock: what are "cool packaging scripts"? | 05:21 |
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dfarning | I am going through the wish list looking for a good package to start working on looks like you all got most all the good (easy)ones: | 05:22 |
LaserJock | \sh: well hard to say exactly. I would like stuff to get info about the apt cache. I am trying to compare the list of installed Universe packages to what I have installed | 05:22 |
bhuvan | dfarning: its true :) i faced the same problem too | 05:23 |
dfarning | bhuvan: got any suggestions for me. | 05:23 |
bhuvan | look into migration breezy->dapper tasks | 05:26 |
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bhuvan | someone can point a sample bug in bugzilla/malone ?? | 05:26 |
dfarning | Is there a wiki on the migration | 05:27 |
Amaranth | dfarning: Why? Is the wiki down? | 05:27 |
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LaserJock | right now I think it is mostly bugfixing but I'm not sure | 05:29 |
dfarning | I am new to Ubuntu and have not really figured out how to effectently find stuff on the wiki | 05:30 |
LaserJock | dfarning: what are you looking for? | 05:30 |
dfarning | Info on helping with the breezy -> dapper migration | 05:31 |
LaserJock | well you can always go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo but right now I don't know if there is much beyond bug fixing and new packages | 05:32 |
dfarning | I get bound up in what is in the wiki, the forums, launchpad, or bugzilla;) | 05:32 |
LaserJock | right now I think that there is the Merge-O-Matic where packages are being synced with Debian sid | 05:33 |
dfarning | thanks i'll start there | 05:33 |
Amaranth | LaserJock: aye, that'll run for awhile, then we'll make sure everything is synced properly, then bugfixing. | 05:34 |
\sh | LaserJock: MOM is not running | 05:34 |
Amaranth | And new not-from-debian packages go in that whole time too. | 05:34 |
Amaranth | \sh: It's stopped already? | 05:34 |
\sh | Amaranth: it didn | 05:35 |
\sh | 't run | 05:35 |
\sh | for dapper | 05:35 |
LaserJock | \sh:manual merge only? | 05:35 |
Amaranth | \sh: I could have sworn they fired it up early this week. | 05:35 |
\sh | what u see now in bugzilla is the rest of mom universe from breezy | 05:35 |
Amaranth | Wait, no, they were just working on removing packages that came from sid but aren't there anymore. | 05:35 |
\sh | Amaranth: but i'll ask keybuk when hes starting | 05:35 |
Amaranth | like php3 | 05:35 |
\sh | LaserJock: yes | 05:36 |
LaserJock | but MOM will be working sometime in the future? | 05:36 |
Amaranth | After UBZ, I'd guess. | 05:37 |
\sh | depends | 05:37 |
\sh | if keybuk fixes mom yes | 05:37 |
Amaranth | They're going to figure all that out at UBZ. | 05:37 |
LaserJock | hmm, darn scroll mouse ;-) | 05:38 |
Amaranth | At least that's what I've understood from the mailing list. | 05:38 |
LaserJock | my chat window is going nuts | 05:38 |
LaserJock | piece of Windows crap | 05:38 |
LaserJock | so, if it is not fixed, will there be a replacement? or will it be left to the MOTU and wannabes? | 05:41 |
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\sh | Amaranth: u r not attending ubz? | 05:44 |
Amaranth | \sh: I can't. | 05:44 |
Amaranth | \sh: Work, school, and a lack of funds. | 05:44 |
\sh | Amaranth: sad :( | 05:44 |
\sh | yeah know that feeling | 05:45 |
LaserJock | how long is UBZ? | 05:45 |
\sh | the ubuntu section 1 week | 05:45 |
\sh | the launchpad section 1 1/2 week | 05:45 |
LaserJock | wow, that would be hard to get away for that long | 05:46 |
\sh | LaserJock: most of the motus will stay only until the 6th..so first week | 05:46 |
whiprush | hi \sh | 05:50 |
\sh | hey whiprush good morning :) | 05:50 |
whiprush | I won't be making it this time. :( I was hoping to meet you. | 05:50 |
whiprush | attend a smoker's bof for me with ogra and dholbach though | 05:51 |
\sh | whiprush: read your entry :( | 05:51 |
whiprush | well, it'll make it that much easier to go to the next one. :) | 05:51 |
\sh | whiprush: whereever it is :) | 05:52 |
whiprush | nothing interesting ever happens in the states. | 05:53 |
whiprush | I'm sure it will be wherever it's most expensive and far away from me, heh. | 05:53 |
\sh | whiprush: but I have/had many problems during the last weeks...they wanted me to stop going on vacations, because of our projects in the company | 05:53 |
whiprush | ouch. | 05:53 |
whiprush | your job looks interesting | 05:54 |
\sh | whiprush: and somehow yesterday everybody had their salary on the account but not me...so i'm flying now without a cent in my pocket to canada | 05:54 |
whiprush | that huge display NOC-looking thing looked neat. | 05:54 |
\sh | and hope that my salary is on my account on monday latest | 05:54 |
whiprush | yeah I don't get paid until monday myself. | 05:54 |
whiprush | yeah, I feel you man. | 05:54 |
\sh | well...borrow some bucks from siretart or ogra during the weekend...I'm really frustrated because of this.. | 05:55 |
\sh | and my problems with take offs and landings don't make things better | 05:55 |
whiprush | lots of stops? | 05:55 |
\sh | whiprush: flying from cologne to frankfurt and from frankfurt to montreal | 05:56 |
\sh | whiprush: i'll take some photos...and post them during my stay in montreal on my gallery and send a link via blog :) so u won't miss anything :) | 06:07 |
dfarning | Hey, just found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile. Would adding .desktop files be a good way to learn the mechanices of the package rebuild process? | 06:13 |
\sh | yes | 06:13 |
dfarning | cool, I'll get crackin' | 06:14 |
LaserJock | dfarning: just make sure that there really isn't a correct .desktop file first. That list is old (Hoary), I think. | 06:14 |
Amaranth | dfarning: And they're easy to do, you can basically copy and paste another app's file and do some light editing. | 06:14 |
LaserJock | I have been meaning to talk to someone about the UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile. Do we really need to have all of those in the menu? | 06:15 |
LaserJock | I personally think that the Debian menu is incredibly cluttered and anti-productive | 06:16 |
LaserJock | but maybe that is where Amaranth is here to save the day ;-) | 06:16 |
\sh | LaserJock: thats why we need a .desktop file :) | 06:16 |
Amaranth | .desktop files can be turned off, tucked away somewhere, and generally managed better | 06:16 |
Amaranth | LaserJock: Just use smeg or alacarte to hide the entire Debian menu. :) | 06:17 |
LaserJock | \sh: but aren't we just moving stuff from the Debian menu to the ubuntu menu? | 06:17 |
\sh | LaserJock: debian uses the .menu style somehow... | 06:17 |
Amaranth | LaserJock: command line apps shouldn't get .desktop files, so not everything will be copied. | 06:17 |
LaserJock | I am just wondering if we fix UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile, will we have a huge mess on our hands? | 06:18 |
LaserJock | Amaranth: that is what I am talking about | 06:18 |
Amaranth | \sh: Someone wrote a script (I think it's in the menu package) that converts the Debian menu system into a .menu file and such. | 06:18 |
LaserJock | Don't we need to make some decision as to what to put into the Ubuntu menu? | 06:18 |
Amaranth | At least that was my understanding of it when I was talking to the guy that did it. | 06:18 |
\sh | Amaranth: lets see at ubz.. | 06:19 |
\sh | well...I'm switching off now..pack the laptop in my bag...and lay down for some minutes..to calm down my stomach | 06:19 |
Amaranth | \sh: It's already done, it's how the Debian menu shows up as a submenu in GNOME. | 06:19 |
\sh | Amaranth: yeah..but i don't like the debian menu ,) | 06:19 |
LaserJock | \sh: have a good flight | 06:19 |
\sh | anyways... | 06:19 |
\sh | see u when i have connection in montreal :) | 06:20 |
Amaranth | \sh: Bye, have fun at ubz. :) | 06:20 |
Amaranth | Don't wear shorts! | 06:20 |
\sh | thx guys... | 06:20 |
\sh | heheh | 06:20 |
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Amaranth | That's pretty close to 0C for you metric folks. | 06:20 |
LaserJock | yeah, at my undergrad in Montana we had some Hawiian guys who would run out in their "skirts" and nothing else in the middle winter. Yikes! | 06:21 |
LaserJock | Amaranth: do you see my concern with UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile ? | 06:22 |
Amaranth | LaserJock: Yeah, but most of the stuff in there is either a command line app (shouldn't have a .desktop file), useful, or geek stuff that probably won't show up for normal users. | 06:23 |
Amaranth | LaserJock: At least that's what I have in my Debian menu when it magically shows up after installing things. | 06:24 |
LaserJock | but if we are sending people in to make .desktop files won't that be a problem | 06:24 |
Amaranth | LaserJock: No matter what, we want that menu to never show up. :) | 06:24 |
Amaranth | LaserJock: Read what I said... | 06:24 |
LaserJock | right, but if we say go work on the list and the list has CLI apps then they will show up | 06:25 |
Amaranth | LaserJock: They don't get in without being accepted, unless a MOTU with upload rights is doing them. | 06:26 |
Amaranth | But that list seems to be left for newcomers to chew on. | 06:26 |
LaserJock | well, maybe I will put something on the wiki page to let people know that they need to think about what they adding to the menu | 06:27 |
Amaranth | Yeah. | 06:27 |
Amaranth | No CLI apps in the menu! :) | 06:28 |
LaserJock | Amaranth: is there a case were a CLI app would need a .desktop file? mime-type handling or anything like that | 06:33 |
Amaranth | LaserJock: Yuck. The day we need a CLI app to handle a mime-type is the day we've failed. | 06:33 |
LaserJock | that is what I would think but I just wondered | 06:33 |
Amaranth | And should all give up and find a new hobby. | 06:33 |
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Kyral | Amaranth, the day we have failed is the day Linus uses Windows ;P | 06:50 |
Amaranth | Kyral: He already uses a PowerPC, we're slipping. :) | 06:50 |
Kyral | Yes but does he run Linux on it ;P | 06:51 |
bhuvan | iirc, he runs mac ? | 06:52 |
Amaranth | it's a powerpc, yeah | 06:55 |
Amaranth | but it'll never run OS X | 06:55 |
LaserJock | my boss is a die hard linux fan but he just recently got an iMac from the university and he seems fairly happy with it so far | 06:56 |
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LaserJock | of course all he needs is fvwm, emacs, firefox, and acroread | 06:57 |
Amaranth | *shudder* | 06:58 |
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Amaranth | one nice thing about OS X is their vfs layer is very low level | 06:58 |
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Amaranth | fopen() works on http://, from what i've been told | 06:59 |
Amaranth | i'd like to see that in the linux kernel some day | 06:59 |
LaserJock | yeah, cool | 06:59 |
LaserJock | does anybody know how big the entire main and universe repository is? | 07:00 |
Amaranth | with source i think it's around 110GB | 07:03 |
farruinn | If I run a python program (solfege) and it throws a bunch of dependency warinings at me, I take it that package needs to be updated for use with Ubuntu's python? | 07:03 |
farruinn | s/dependency/deprecation | 07:03 |
LaserJock | Amaranth: dang, that's huge | 07:03 |
Amaranth | Ubuntu Distro Stats on breezy... 17902 packages, 1641 maintainers, 34780 MB installed size, 10804 MB compressed size. | 07:04 |
Amaranth | that's without source | 07:04 |
farruinn | that's main and universe, right? | 07:04 |
Amaranth | main, restricted, universe, multiverse | 07:04 |
Amaranth | at least afaik, the bot spit it out | 07:05 |
LaserJock | well, hmm. I want to make the list from UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile but I think I might need to download all of the .debs | 07:05 |
LaserJock | maybe not though | 07:05 |
Amaranth | *shrug* | 07:05 |
Amaranth | I think someone has a script that finds the packages and updates the wiki | 07:06 |
LaserJock | 10804 MB would be ok though | 07:06 |
Amaranth | ugh | 07:06 |
Amaranth | Microsoft threatens to pull Windows from an entire _country_ and their stock goes up. | 07:07 |
LaserJock | Korea right? | 07:07 |
Amaranth | yeah | 07:07 |
Amaranth | their stock rose 68 cents | 07:07 |
Amaranth | that's just sad | 07:07 |
LaserJock | hmm, that just seems wierd | 07:07 |
dfarning | overall the market was up Dow Gains 172, Nasdaq Up 26 on GDP Growth | 07:09 |
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siretart | morning | 07:23 |
LaserJock | evening ;-) | 07:23 |
crimsun | really early morning ;-) | 07:26 |
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siretart | 7:30am over here | 07:31 |
farruinn | heh, that'd be really early for me ;) | 07:33 |
Treenaks | 7:30 here too :) | 07:34 |
Treenaks | Plane to UBZ in 7 hours, 20 minutes | 07:35 |
farruinn | I'm so excited, Montreal is only 2 hours away! | 07:35 |
LaserJock | 10:30 here and almost time to go to bed | 07:35 |
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[Chameleon] | have fun, do lots of cool hacker stuff. make your moms proud! | 07:37 |
LaserJock | farruinn: that would be cool. I don't think I will ever get to go to a Ubuntu meeting | 07:37 |
hub | farruinn: montreal is here | 07:37 |
hub | :-) | 07:37 |
farruinn | I have school during the actual developer's conference, but I'm going for love day! | 07:38 |
farruinn | hub: you live in montreal? I'm going to school in Potsdam, NY | 07:38 |
Treenaks | farruinn: cool | 07:38 |
hub | i live in mtl, yes | 07:38 |
Treenaks | farruinn: want to be in a video? :) | 07:38 |
Treenaks | farruinn: http://foodfight.org/movies/Ubuntu%20Fanpeople/ | 07:39 |
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siretart | ok, my is on the way to the airport. cu soon! | 07:44 |
crimsun | bye | 07:44 |
farruinn | jeff has a really manic look on his face in the first frame of his video | 07:45 |
Treenaks | farruinn: yeah, he did it on purpose :) | 07:45 |
Kyral | night all | 08:01 |
LaserJock | gnight | 08:01 |
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zakame | hi all | 08:05 |
LaserJock | hi | 08:05 |
zakame | wazup here? | 08:07 |
LaserJock | not much, a lot of people are heading to UBZ | 08:07 |
Treenaks | ANARCHY! | 08:08 |
Treenaks | *ahem* | 08:08 |
zakame | haha | 08:08 |
zakame | I suppose everybody's bringing their halloween costume :) | 08:09 |
Treenaks | zakame: nah :) | 08:09 |
Treenaks | I'm scary enough by myself | 08:09 |
zakame | hihi | 08:10 |
farruinn | I'm feeling defeated: I downloaded the debian source package for Solfege 3.0.2 and compiled/packaged it with no problem. When I try to install the resulting *.deb thought I get the error: "/var/lib/dpkg/info/solfege.postinst: line 27: /usr/bin/python2.3: No such file or directory" | 08:12 |
farruinn | this line in the postinst script is trying to run /usr/bin/python$PV but I can't find where $PV is being set | 08:12 |
farruinn | arg, please disregard that, I just found it | 08:13 |
farruinn | So what would have to happen for the current version of solfege (2.0.4) to be replaced with 3.0.2? | 08:18 |
crimsun | have you confirmed it works? | 08:21 |
crimsun | if so, I'll upload the new one | 08:21 |
crimsun | farruinn: yes? no? | 08:32 |
farruinn | I've found one bug, I'm looking to see if it's been reported upstream | 08:33 |
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farruinn | I didn't find this bug, but it wasn't hard to fix | 08:57 |
farruinn | so, to make the package build and run correctly I modified a grand total of 2 files | 08:58 |
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crimsun | farruinn: ok, debdiff please. | 09:36 |
crimsun | I just found a cdbs bug | 09:36 |
crimsun | simple-patchsys.mk, actually. | 09:37 |
crimsun | Debian's xfce4-terminal uses a patch with () in the filename, which nicely does nasty things. | 09:38 |
farruinn | sorry crimsun, but I don't have a lot of experience working on the developer side of packages. What exactly do you want me to do with debdiff? | 09:39 |
crimsun | farruinn: if you generate a debdiff, I'll inspect it and then upload 3.0.2 | 09:40 |
farruinn | crimsun: want me to just e-mail this to you? | 10:09 |
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dfarning | Would the best way to handle the UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile be to make a patch fiel and submit it to the ppackage owner via malone? | 11:51 |
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Mez | lo all | 01:47 |
Nafallo | morning Mez :-) | 01:47 |
CaiN_SA | ajmitch, | 01:51 |
CaiN_SA | dude when you comming ? | 01:51 |
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Mez | hey treenaks, not on your way yet | 02:18 |
Seveas | ping: mythgame needs a rebuild it depends on libqt3c102-mt instead of libqt3-mt | 02:18 |
ajmitch | hi | 02:18 |
ajmitch | Mez: still at home, are you? | 02:19 |
Nafallo | ajmitch: http://www.magicalforest.se/~nafallo/fspot_segfault.txt ;-) | 02:34 |
Nafallo | doesn't like to show my 3565 hidden amateur pornphotos :-P | 02:34 |
ajmitch | great, you broke it | 02:35 |
Nafallo | hehe | 02:35 |
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zakame | hi all | 02:37 |
Nafallo | anyway, shower | 02:38 |
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ajmitch | after so many hours on the plane.. I need noise around me, it's too quiet! :) | 02:43 |
zakame | hahaha | 02:44 |
ajmitch | my ears are seriously ringing after ~24 hours of flight time | 02:45 |
tseng | now you know how everyone felt at UDU | 02:45 |
ajmitch | yeah | 02:46 |
tseng | "death" | 02:46 |
ajmitch | it was only a nice short 3 hours for me | 02:46 |
tseng | the worst part about the flight for me was.. trying to get up to the bathroom | 02:47 |
tseng | and not being able to shower for a full 24 hours | 02:47 |
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ajmitch | only 24 hours? | 02:47 |
tseng | around that | 02:47 |
ajmitch | that's the next thing I'll do | 02:47 |
ajmitch | after IRC of course | 02:47 |
tseng | oh man | 02:47 |
tseng | i was about to punch out the Vibe staffers until i could get into my room | 02:47 |
tseng | get a shower | 02:48 |
ajmitch | yeah I got in fairly quickly here | 02:48 |
tseng | i had to go to the park next door | 02:48 |
ajmitch | just unwinding before I go for the shower | 02:48 |
tseng | and join some aussies throwing candy at passersby | 02:48 |
tseng | and drinking rum and coke at noon time | 02:48 |
tseng | its a rough life down there | 02:49 |
ajmitch | oh yes | 02:49 |
tseng | the 42nd most bookmarked site on del.icio.us is... del.icio.us | 02:50 |
tseng | 2404 links | 02:50 |
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zakame | ooh | 03:01 |
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Riddell | who's aa in canadia? | 03:35 |
zakame | aa? | 03:37 |
freeflying | Riddellhi | 03:37 |
tseng | alcoholics anonymous | 03:37 |
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Riddell | good morning freeflying | 03:38 |
zakame | ah | 03:39 |
zakame | thought was associate in arts :) | 03:39 |
freeflying | Riddell: It's night here :) | 03:40 |
freeflying | Riddell: I want to build skim in one package just now | 03:40 |
freeflying | for there are some problems to be solved | 03:41 |
ajmitch | hello CaiN_SA, Riddell | 03:42 |
ajmitch | CaiN_SA: where are you at the moment? | 03:43 |
CaiN_SA | im in cthe hotel | 03:44 |
CaiN_SA | ;) | 03:44 |
CaiN_SA | why ? | 03:44 |
ajmitch | right, I'm in my room at the moment | 03:44 |
ajmitch | I got in a bit over an hour ago | 03:45 |
CaiN_SA | lol | 03:45 |
CaiN_SA | but your ident sais | 03:45 |
CaiN_SA | you are in nz / | 03:45 |
CaiN_SA | ? | 03:45 |
ajmitch | nz, I know | 03:45 |
ajmitch | that's what screen is for | 03:45 |
CaiN_SA | ah ;) | 03:45 |
CaiN_SA | you also in this chinatown holiday in ? | 03:45 |
ajmitch | yes | 03:46 |
ajmitch | I haven't had a look round yet | 03:46 |
Riddell | everyone is, wouldn't be much of a conference if we were in different places :) | 03:46 |
ajmitch | some people are staying elsewhere | 03:46 |
CaiN_SA | ah i see | 03:46 |
CaiN_SA | btw | 03:47 |
CaiN_SA | i walked around outside | 03:47 |
CaiN_SA | 10000 million hotels | 03:47 |
CaiN_SA | conference center is accross the street | 03:47 |
ajmitch | oh good | 03:48 |
ajmitch | I got in a bit late, I wonder if I can still get breakfast | 03:48 |
CaiN_SA | dunno | 03:48 |
CaiN_SA | dont eat the pancakes | 03:48 |
Riddell | breakfast is until 10 | 03:48 |
CaiN_SA | it tastes weird | 03:48 |
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ajmitch | Riddell: then I'd better hurry :) | 03:49 |
ajmitch | where is it? | 03:49 |
CaiN_SA | by reception | 03:50 |
CaiN_SA | that chinese place | 03:50 |
CaiN_SA | i came in last night | 03:50 |
ajmitch | ok | 03:50 |
CaiN_SA | went strait to sleep | 03:50 |
ajmitch | 2nd floor? | 03:50 |
CaiN_SA | yeh | 03:50 |
ajmitch | do I need a voucher for this ppne? | 03:51 |
ajmitch | s/ppne/one/ | 03:51 |
ajmitch | I'll find out, heading down there now if anyone wants to meetup :) | 03:51 |
Riddell | yes you do | 03:52 |
tseng | sounds like you are out a breakfast | 03:53 |
CaiN_SA | yeah | 03:53 |
CaiN_SA | ask reception for 1 | 03:53 |
CaiN_SA | i like the free internet tho | 03:54 |
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dereks | does anyone here use avahi? | 04:52 |
dereks | Lathiat: you around? | 04:54 |
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Lathiat | dereks: sup? | 06:23 |
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Riddell | ** #ubz for conference discussion | 07:17 |
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Kyral | hey Mez | 10:15 |
Mez | hi | 10:17 |
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Kyral | Wait....does Ubuntu Love start at 9 AM EDT or 9 AM EST? | 10:27 |
Kyral | because the time switch is tonight... | 10:28 |
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crimsun | mm mythtv ftbfs on 2/3 arches due to old ffmpeg | 11:56 |
crimsun | hooray | 11:56 |
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