[12:02] I'll make a mental note to review it [12:06] ctorrent is an easy build, so its probally easy to add [12:43] Any package suggestions for a new Ubutu builder I got checked out http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates I like and use jedit it that too tought for first go round? [12:44] I've done some rpm packaging of java stuff but it was a big pain in the butt! [12:49] Java is a pain to begin with [12:49] oh wait....I'm crashing tonight ;P [12:52] I'm interested in jedit because it is the editor of choice at my local tech college for all the intr classes [12:55] I thought if I can insure that all the schools apps are present I'll have a better time getting them to dual boot the computer labs;) [12:55] dfarning: does jedit build with a free java stack? [12:57] minghua_: I have not yet tried it. I do know there is a native jedit in fc4 so it can be done. [12:58] probably similar to how eclipse-platform was handled [12:58] dfarning: that sound encouraging [01:00] very similar native .so are built and distributed while exensions can be download and under gcj [01:03] I don't know much about java, but I suppose if it can be built with free java stack, it has a good chance [01:03] a lot of people are trying to build java stuff for debian as well [01:03] so maybe asking there first would be wise [01:04] I'll give it a shot. I'll see what I can find out at debian. === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveaz [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueyed [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _native_ [n=user@cpe-66-87-4-181.ut.sprintbbd.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-55-50.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:44] ajmitch: ping? === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-79-79.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:03] I have a question about the kernel source package [02:03] because I'm evaluating the packaging a useful tool [02:03] sysprof [02:03] that requires it [02:05] linux-source-2.6.12 (Breezy), linux-source-2.6.10 (Hoary), linux-source-2.6.8.1 (Warty) [02:05] yep but that install a tar.gz [02:05] or something [02:05] /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.12.tar.bz2 [02:06] yes, untar it [02:06] that's the entire tree with the Ubuntu patches applied [02:06] yes, but I'm thinking packaging wise [02:07] sysprof needs an extracted kernel tree [02:07] it needs the entire tree? [02:07] not just the headers? [02:07] apparently [02:07] not that sure [02:08] that would be fairly nasty to package [02:08] just the headers apparently [02:08] oh, that's not bad then [02:09] you can just roll a source package, ala oprofile-source, fuse-source, alsa-source, etc. Basically, *-source [02:09] The user will apt-get install foo-source and module-assistant [02:10] linux-kernel-headers package does not match the linux-kernel package version [02:10] linux-kernel-headers is not what you think it is [02:10] ah [02:10] you want linux-headers-$(uname -r) [02:10] l-k-h is part of the toolchain [02:10] right [02:11] I'll try that === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@pcp09354977pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:11] which compiler is used to build the kernel? [02:11] gcc-3.4? [02:12] yes === _Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mloskot [n=mloskot@chello084010109026.chello.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tifa [n=alucard@cpc3-cove3-5-1-cust39.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robertj [n=foo@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:02] heya all. Dia defaults anti-aliasing to off, but it should probably be on. Additionally, there probably isn't a reason to even have the menu item there to disable it. Any thoughts? [03:02] more than anything, I want to believe that deep down that option has a purpose [03:04] robertj: have you filed a bug report? [03:08] hi all [03:08] hi tritium [03:08] What's up, LaserJock ? [03:09] not much, trying to figure out some python-apt and working on a presentation for Tues. at school [03:09] enjoying your Friday evening, Mike? [03:11] Yeah, how about you, crimsun? [03:12] not bad. Sifting through some packaging. Yourself? [03:12] LaserJack: no, was asking first [03:12] Laser: just as to whether it was really even an issue [03:13] more interested really. From what I can tell that checkbox is purely historical from when it was to toggle on the "experimental crashy aa support" in 2002 === karlheg [n=karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:13] that's a question best posed to upstream === karlheg [n=karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:14] prolly [03:14] robertj: you can file a bug at https://launchpad.net/malone [03:14] okay, I'll ask upstream if they're enjoying their Friday evening ;) [03:14] then people can reject it or accept it [03:14] tritium: :p [03:14] crimsun, took the dog for a hike in the mountains [03:14] excellent! [03:15] It was nice to get away from work today. :) [03:15] we got today off for Nevada Day, whoohoo! [03:15] nice [03:16] it was nice, but I had to get that grant proposal in and all the administrative staff were trying to leave [03:17] man, you guys are lucky [03:18] crimsun: how so ? [03:19] LaserJock: "Nevada Day"? [03:20] we must not have any state pride or something :p [03:20] crimsun: yeah, I am originally from Montana and we didn't have anything like that either [03:21] I think maybe they are trying to compensate for something ;-) [03:22] I always thought Purdue was trying to compensate for something with their "world's largest drum"... [03:22] lol [03:22] So glad I never have to hear "Boiler Up" again... [03:24] <\sh> moins [03:26] moin [03:26] how's Montreal? [03:26] who is in mtl right now? [03:28] <\sh> i fly in a couple of hours [03:28] \sh: ah. Have a good flight! [03:28] \sh, are you the one who made tee shirts? [03:29] <\sh> tritium: i wanted...but no chance to do so...because of no time to much work in the last weeks [03:29] \sh: see you there [03:29] \sh, ah, okay. I can relate [03:30] <\sh> tritium: i thought after dapper I could do some fun stuff...but my company meant to have new ideas and new projects...:( [03:30] well, enjoy UBZ nonetheless ;-) [03:30] \sh, :( I also read your email that you can't take personal electronics to work. I can also relate to that... [03:31] tritium: yeah, I spent a summer in a similar position with Argonne [03:31] though no doubt security at your lab is probably much more strict now [03:31] crimsun, yeah. We're not even trusted with cell-phones, iPods, or anything, really. [03:32] <\sh> tritium: well yes..this is the biggest disadvantage :( everything which looks like computer external cdburner etc. are not allowed anymore...nonetheless I can bring in my cam... [03:32] crimsun, you're going to UBZ too? [03:32] tritium: nope, have lecture obligations [03:33] crimsun, ah, right [03:33] \sh, that's interesting that they'll allow a cam [03:33] <\sh> tritium: no...they didn [03:33] <\sh> 't allow [03:33] oh [03:34] <\sh> they've not forbid the use of a cam ,) [03:34] ah [03:35] be back later... [03:36] lo [03:36] <\sh> moins chillywilly === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:01] \sh: nice wiki ;) [04:04] <\sh> chillywilly: which wiki? [04:04] <\sh> uh ah.. [04:04] <\sh> dang...now I understand ,-) too early in the morning === Kyral [n=Linux@hamlin-162-72.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:18] No love for a native jedit. Gcj is still missing several swing methods that are needed. [04:19] It will likely be awhile before they make into Ubuntu gcj 4.1 or 4.2 [04:20] Is it useful / allowable to include packages the require either blackdown or sun java? [04:21] Is there like a kernel option I need to enable to allow the kernel to open and close my CDROM drive? [04:21] like the drive door? [04:21] tray [04:21] thing [04:21] dfarning: no, it's impossible atm [04:22] dfarning: cf. Azureus. [04:22] Kyral: you could use 'eject' [04:22] well, I mean for like K3B ;P [04:23] and it complains sometimes, the kernel, at boot === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:28] crimsun: is Azureus available somewhere, I don't see it in breezy or dapper? [04:28] dfarning: that's why it's not available -- it depends on a commercial jre, which illustrates the situation that jedit is in [04:29] dfarning: you might want to work with debian-java to get it working with gcj [04:29] Couldn't we compile Azureus? I thought Java could be compiled into a binary independent of the JRE now [04:30] crimsun: The changes are too extensive to be practical atm [04:30] Kyral: I don't understand what you're saying. [04:30] I thought that they found a way to compile Java code into a binary that didn't need a JRE to run === mloskot [n=mloskot@chello084010109026.chello.pl] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [04:31] Kyral: not all java functions are available yet in classpath [04:31] ahh [04:32] I don't know much about Java so [04:32] somthing like 75% of the swing.text,* are missing [04:33] Means nothing to me pal ;P === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@59.92.32.194] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Unfrgiven [n=ankur@202.76.176.94] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+o bhuvan] by ChanServ [04:34] I'm gonna assume that means that like a lib is missing ;P [04:35] Something like a good sized chunk of gtk;) [04:35] lol okay [04:35] I'm prolly not gonna learn Java unless I have to [04:35] I'd rather learn Python === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-24-14-116-227.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:36] Kyral: me too [04:36] I just need a good resouice [04:36] The schools stress java because several of the local banks and insurance companies use it [04:36] Hey LJ hows it going? [04:37] Kyral: fine. you? [04:37] eh okay [04:37] College is running me into the ground [04:37] At least Ubuntu Love is on Sunday :D [04:38] I can't wait to get out of grad school some days === minghua [n=minghua@adsl-69-153-128-173.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:39] Undergrad didn't seem so busy to me but maybe that's my old age showing ;-) [04:39] I'm learning PHP in one of my classes [04:40] Kyral: cool, I wish I had taken some programming classes. I just have to learn it on my own [04:40] I'm a CS Major, it comes with the territory [04:41] Ironically its a business class I'm learning PHP in, a Senior level one [04:41] The funny thing is this is prolly 80% of the class first time doing any programming on the level of PHP (as opposed to HTML) [04:41] PHP seems to be pretty popular these days [04:42] Me, coming right from C++, I just learn the syntax of PHP and BAM! [04:42] though the fact that you don't specify what data type a varible is kinda throws me [04:42] well, since I'm a scientist I got to learn Fortran first ;-) [04:42] *shudder* [04:42] Fortran... [04:42] we still use it for virtually everything [04:43] although I am trying to move more towards Python [04:43] I figure I'll learn Python and Perl next [04:43] since PHP was derived from Perl which was derived from C++ [04:44] my boss pretty much uses Fortran and Perl exclusively with the occasional C if we need to talk to instruments [04:44] <\sh> Kyral: what? [04:44] \sh: Huh? [04:44] Perl was before C++ I thought [04:44] <\sh> 04:43 < Kyral> since PHP was derived from Perl which was derived from C++ [04:44] og [04:44] Perl was derived from C [04:45] I think... [04:45] <\sh> perl never is never was derived from c++ [04:45] <\sh> neither from C [04:45] Hmm, one of my professors told me that [04:45] then what is Perl derived from? [04:45] <\sh> it was build, because C and other high lvl languages were to complicated for text operations [04:45] <\sh> and php never was/is derived from perl [04:46] hmm [04:46] Remind me to smack my professor ;P [04:46] how much you paying for thos classes ;P [04:46] <\sh> php (personal homepage processor) was build, because the author was in need of a dynamic generation of webpages, but not as CGI [04:46] I don't care what they came from, I just like'em ;P [04:47] \sh, you know a good online resource to learn Python? [04:48] Kyral: apt-get install diveintopython ? [04:48] <\sh> Kyral: drpython and the python.org pages [04:48] <\sh> http://de2.php.net/history === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-24-14-116-227.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:49] <\sh> PHP succeeds an older product, named PHP/FI. PHP/FI was created by Rasmus Lerdorf in 1995, initially as a simple set of Perl scripts for tracking accesses to his online resume. He named this set of scripts 'Personal Home Page Tools'. [04:49] Yah so you could say that PHP was decended from Perl ;P [04:50] not operationally, but historically ? [04:50] <\sh> hmm..better to say in was inspired by perl but not derived :) [04:50] yah [04:50] <\sh> the concepts are completly different...same applies to python and c++ [04:50] Isn't Python the preferred language for Ubuntu now? [04:51] <\sh> yes..mark is a python fanatic :) [04:51] Hey if its good enough for the SDBDFL(Did I get that right?) its good enough for me ;P [04:51] <\sh> SABDFL :) [04:52] <\sh> anyways...time to shower [04:52] SABDFL, I love that [04:52] Can Python be byte compiled into a binary? [04:52] to function without an interpreter? [04:55] there have been a few efforts but none work yet [04:55] See, I hear the phrase "interpreted language" and I get images of the JRE [04:55] which is the main reason I dislike Java [04:55] what would be the point? [04:56] of? [04:56] having Python be byte compiled [04:56] people might argue performance [04:56] Wouldn't need its interpreter [04:56] frankly, I think ironpython is neater [04:57] the example I make is that Azureus has a memory footprint of ~ 30 MB [04:57] I would say that the Python interpreter is different from the JRE [04:57] the JRE that is needed to run it has a memory footprint of about 200 MB [04:58] python is on a lot of linux computers by default and It is really easy to get going on Windows [04:59] and if performance is a problem then there are tricks to make it faster (using C underneath) or just using another language [05:00] I don't know though, but this seems to be a ongoing argument in the scientific computing circles [05:00] Actually you CAN use the Boost libs to include Python code in C++ code and vice versa [05:02] Kyral: I use scipy for scientific stuff and it uses Fortran and C and my programs are only 1.5 - 5 times slower than pure Fortran/C [05:02] compared to >100 slower for pure Python [05:02] ah [05:03] Actually I saw an option in the kernel to allow you to insert any language into the kernel [05:03] I've had good luck writing the code in python quick and easy, then rewriting the bottle necks as c modules [05:04] yeah, I don't know if any language is going to work perfectly for everything. That is why I use python for scripting and fortran for computationally intensive stuff and C when I need to make an actual program [05:05] but then I don't have very complicated needs. Mostly some number crunching with data file analysis [05:06] I guess the best option is to learn a bunch of core languages [05:07] Like C++, Python, Perl, PHP === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:07] Frankly I love C++ and I think tis possible to do anything with the language, but I realize there are better tools out there [05:08] I should really get around to learning GTK or PyGTK [05:08] python is the closest I have found so far for a language that does everything. Mostly because I can include Fortran code if I need to for things that python doesn't do well [05:08] start with gtk the documentation for pygtk is still pretty poor [05:09] yah one of my friends is learning it and is quite upset with that point ;P [05:09] yeah, me too. I don't know C++ and barely any C so some of the gui stuff is hard for me to find documentation for [05:10] C++ is a good foundation I found [05:10] I was learning about PHP Arrays and the first thing I thought was "Oh crap.....pointer time" [05:11] Then the prof said "They are automatically resizeable" and I was like "SCORE! Vectors!" [05:11] from my experience you can't really understand the pygtk bindings until grasp the why and how of gtk [05:11] pygtk does some hand waving that can be confusing [05:12] dfarning: good food for thought, maybe I will try looking into gtk first [05:12] If you ask anyone who knows my coding style, they will tell you that I dispise C Arrays and think they are old things that should be discarded in favor of Vectors [05:13] "Why use an Array when you can use a Vector" [05:14] cause in c they are really really fast [05:14] I don;t use C ;P [05:14] I use C++ :P [05:14] Kyral: have you been to the ubuntuforums Programming section? [05:14] yah sometimes [05:15] Okay laundry done, ANIME! [05:15] they have some good flame wars sometimes === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-47-165.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:15] I generally helpout on the Desktop Support and ABT forum,s [05:15] New User Network Mentor :D [05:15] there are some good Java vs. C++ vs. Python kindda [05:15] wars [05:16] but now I'm watching Ai Yori Aoshi :D [05:16] well, we wouldn't want to get between you and your anime ;-) [05:17] You have no idea how true that statement is ;P [05:17] surely not, I've never watched any anime [05:18] Only few people are important enough to me to tear me away from anime ;P [05:18] sounds like me and Ubuntu [05:18] my wife is always telling me to get off the computer [05:19] Are the skype distubution terms as found on http://www.skype.com/company/legal/promote/distributionterms.html acceptiable to Ubuntu [05:19] <\sh> dfarning: no [05:19] <\sh> if they were, we would distribute it already [05:20] \sh: do you know where there are any places to find cool packaging scripts or apt interaction scripts? [05:21] <\sh> LaserJock: what are "cool packaging scripts"? === jtan325 [n=jtan325@c-67-183-143-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:22] I am going through the wish list looking for a good package to start working on looks like you all got most all the good (easy)ones: [05:22] \sh: well hard to say exactly. I would like stuff to get info about the apt cache. I am trying to compare the list of installed Universe packages to what I have installed [05:23] dfarning: its true :) i faced the same problem too [05:23] bhuvan: got any suggestions for me. [05:26] look into migration breezy->dapper tasks === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:26] someone can point a sample bug in bugzilla/malone ?? [05:27] Is there a wiki on the migration [05:27] dfarning: Why? Is the wiki down? === moyogo [n=moyogo@89pc104.ucu-vb.uu.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:29] right now I think it is mostly bugfixing but I'm not sure [05:30] I am new to Ubuntu and have not really figured out how to effectently find stuff on the wiki [05:30] dfarning: what are you looking for? [05:31] Info on helping with the breezy -> dapper migration [05:32] well you can always go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo but right now I don't know if there is much beyond bug fixing and new packages [05:32] I get bound up in what is in the wiki, the forums, launchpad, or bugzilla;) [05:33] right now I think that there is the Merge-O-Matic where packages are being synced with Debian sid [05:33] thanks i'll start there [05:34] LaserJock: aye, that'll run for awhile, then we'll make sure everything is synced properly, then bugfixing. [05:34] <\sh> LaserJock: MOM is not running [05:34] And new not-from-debian packages go in that whole time too. [05:34] \sh: It's stopped already? [05:35] <\sh> Amaranth: it didn [05:35] <\sh> 't run [05:35] <\sh> for dapper [05:35] \sh:manual merge only? [05:35] \sh: I could have sworn they fired it up early this week. [05:35] <\sh> what u see now in bugzilla is the rest of mom universe from breezy [05:35] Wait, no, they were just working on removing packages that came from sid but aren't there anymore. [05:35] <\sh> Amaranth: but i'll ask keybuk when hes starting [05:35] like php3 [05:36] <\sh> LaserJock: yes [05:36] but MOM will be working sometime in the future? [05:37] After UBZ, I'd guess. [05:37] <\sh> depends [05:37] <\sh> if keybuk fixes mom yes [05:37] They're going to figure all that out at UBZ. [05:38] hmm, darn scroll mouse ;-) [05:38] At least that's what I've understood from the mailing list. [05:38] my chat window is going nuts [05:38] piece of Windows crap [05:41] so, if it is not fixed, will there be a replacement? or will it be left to the MOTU and wannabes? === susus [n=sz@p5089CD11.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:44] <\sh> Amaranth: u r not attending ubz? [05:44] \sh: I can't. [05:44] \sh: Work, school, and a lack of funds. [05:44] <\sh> Amaranth: sad :( [05:45] <\sh> yeah know that feeling [05:45] how long is UBZ? [05:45] <\sh> the ubuntu section 1 week [05:45] <\sh> the launchpad section 1 1/2 week [05:46] wow, that would be hard to get away for that long [05:46] <\sh> LaserJock: most of the motus will stay only until the 6th..so first week [05:50] hi \sh [05:50] <\sh> hey whiprush good morning :) [05:50] I won't be making it this time. :( I was hoping to meet you. [05:51] attend a smoker's bof for me with ogra and dholbach though [05:51] <\sh> whiprush: read your entry :( [05:51] well, it'll make it that much easier to go to the next one. :) [05:52] <\sh> whiprush: whereever it is :) [05:53] nothing interesting ever happens in the states. [05:53] I'm sure it will be wherever it's most expensive and far away from me, heh. [05:53] <\sh> whiprush: but I have/had many problems during the last weeks...they wanted me to stop going on vacations, because of our projects in the company [05:53] ouch. [05:54] your job looks interesting [05:54] <\sh> whiprush: and somehow yesterday everybody had their salary on the account but not me...so i'm flying now without a cent in my pocket to canada [05:54] that huge display NOC-looking thing looked neat. [05:54] <\sh> and hope that my salary is on my account on monday latest [05:54] yeah I don't get paid until monday myself. [05:54] yeah, I feel you man. [05:55] <\sh> well...borrow some bucks from siretart or ogra during the weekend...I'm really frustrated because of this.. [05:55] <\sh> and my problems with take offs and landings don't make things better [05:55] lots of stops? [05:56] <\sh> whiprush: flying from cologne to frankfurt and from frankfurt to montreal [06:07] <\sh> whiprush: i'll take some photos...and post them during my stay in montreal on my gallery and send a link via blog :) so u won't miss anything :) [06:13] Hey, just found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile. Would adding .desktop files be a good way to learn the mechanices of the package rebuild process? [06:13] <\sh> yes [06:14] cool, I'll get crackin' [06:14] dfarning: just make sure that there really isn't a correct .desktop file first. That list is old (Hoary), I think. [06:14] dfarning: And they're easy to do, you can basically copy and paste another app's file and do some light editing. [06:15] I have been meaning to talk to someone about the UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile. Do we really need to have all of those in the menu? [06:16] I personally think that the Debian menu is incredibly cluttered and anti-productive [06:16] but maybe that is where Amaranth is here to save the day ;-) [06:16] <\sh> LaserJock: thats why we need a .desktop file :) [06:16] .desktop files can be turned off, tucked away somewhere, and generally managed better [06:17] LaserJock: Just use smeg or alacarte to hide the entire Debian menu. :) [06:17] \sh: but aren't we just moving stuff from the Debian menu to the ubuntu menu? [06:17] <\sh> LaserJock: debian uses the .menu style somehow... [06:17] LaserJock: command line apps shouldn't get .desktop files, so not everything will be copied. [06:18] I am just wondering if we fix UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile, will we have a huge mess on our hands? [06:18] Amaranth: that is what I am talking about [06:18] \sh: Someone wrote a script (I think it's in the menu package) that converts the Debian menu system into a .menu file and such. [06:18] Don't we need to make some decision as to what to put into the Ubuntu menu? [06:18] At least that was my understanding of it when I was talking to the guy that did it. [06:19] <\sh> Amaranth: lets see at ubz.. [06:19] <\sh> well...I'm switching off now..pack the laptop in my bag...and lay down for some minutes..to calm down my stomach [06:19] \sh: It's already done, it's how the Debian menu shows up as a submenu in GNOME. [06:19] <\sh> Amaranth: yeah..but i don't like the debian menu ,) [06:19] \sh: have a good flight [06:19] <\sh> anyways... [06:20] <\sh> see u when i have connection in montreal :) [06:20] \sh: Bye, have fun at ubz. :) [06:20] Don't wear shorts! [06:20] <\sh> thx guys... [06:20] <\sh> heheh === Amaranth wore shorts and a t-shirt today, walked to school when it was 39F out. [06:20] That's pretty close to 0C for you metric folks. [06:21] yeah, at my undergrad in Montana we had some Hawiian guys who would run out in their "skirts" and nothing else in the middle winter. Yikes! [06:22] Amaranth: do you see my concern with UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile ? [06:23] LaserJock: Yeah, but most of the stuff in there is either a command line app (shouldn't have a .desktop file), useful, or geek stuff that probably won't show up for normal users. [06:24] LaserJock: At least that's what I have in my Debian menu when it magically shows up after installing things. [06:24] but if we are sending people in to make .desktop files won't that be a problem [06:24] LaserJock: No matter what, we want that menu to never show up. :) [06:24] LaserJock: Read what I said... [06:25] right, but if we say go work on the list and the list has CLI apps then they will show up [06:26] LaserJock: They don't get in without being accepted, unless a MOTU with upload rights is doing them. [06:26] But that list seems to be left for newcomers to chew on. [06:27] well, maybe I will put something on the wiki page to let people know that they need to think about what they adding to the menu [06:27] Yeah. [06:28] No CLI apps in the menu! :) [06:33] Amaranth: is there a case were a CLI app would need a .desktop file? mime-type handling or anything like that [06:33] LaserJock: Yuck. The day we need a CLI app to handle a mime-type is the day we've failed. [06:33] that is what I would think but I just wondered [06:33] And should all give up and find a new hobby. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] [06:50] Amaranth, the day we have failed is the day Linus uses Windows ;P [06:50] Kyral: He already uses a PowerPC, we're slipping. :) [06:51] Yes but does he run Linux on it ;P [06:52] iirc, he runs mac ? [06:55] it's a powerpc, yeah [06:55] but it'll never run OS X [06:56] my boss is a die hard linux fan but he just recently got an iMac from the university and he seems fairly happy with it so far === farruinn [n=nathan@cpe-69-201-14-55.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:57] of course all he needs is fvwm, emacs, firefox, and acroread [06:58] *shudder* === blueyed_ [n=daniel@i5387D909.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:58] one nice thing about OS X is their vfs layer is very low level === _maydayjay_ [n=jason@ip101109.101.nas.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:59] fopen() works on http://, from what i've been told [06:59] i'd like to see that in the linux kernel some day [06:59] yeah, cool [07:00] does anybody know how big the entire main and universe repository is? [07:03] with source i think it's around 110GB [07:03] If I run a python program (solfege) and it throws a bunch of dependency warinings at me, I take it that package needs to be updated for use with Ubuntu's python? [07:03] s/dependency/deprecation [07:03] Amaranth: dang, that's huge [07:04] Ubuntu Distro Stats on breezy... 17902 packages, 1641 maintainers, 34780 MB installed size, 10804 MB compressed size. [07:04] that's without source [07:04] that's main and universe, right? [07:04] main, restricted, universe, multiverse [07:05] at least afaik, the bot spit it out [07:05] well, hmm. I want to make the list from UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile but I think I might need to download all of the .debs [07:05] maybe not though [07:05] *shrug* [07:06] I think someone has a script that finds the packages and updates the wiki [07:06] 10804 MB would be ok though [07:06] ugh [07:07] Microsoft threatens to pull Windows from an entire _country_ and their stock goes up. [07:07] Korea right? [07:07] yeah [07:07] their stock rose 68 cents [07:07] that's just sad [07:07] hmm, that just seems wierd [07:09] overall the market was up Dow Gains 172, Nasdaq Up 26 on GDP Growth === blueyed__ [n=daniel@i5387DF6A.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:23] morning [07:23] evening ;-) [07:26] really early morning ;-) === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-69-69-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === [Chameleon] [n=Paul@000f660c9c52.click-network.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:31] 7:30am over here [07:33] heh, that'd be really early for me ;) [07:34] 7:30 here too :) [07:35] Plane to UBZ in 7 hours, 20 minutes [07:35] I'm so excited, Montreal is only 2 hours away! [07:35] 10:30 here and almost time to go to bed === [Chameleon] is jealous [07:37] <[Chameleon] > have fun, do lots of cool hacker stuff. make your moms proud! [07:37] farruinn: that would be cool. I don't think I will ever get to go to a Ubuntu meeting [07:37] farruinn: montreal is here [07:37] :-) [07:38] I have school during the actual developer's conference, but I'm going for love day! [07:38] hub: you live in montreal? I'm going to school in Potsdam, NY [07:38] farruinn: cool [07:38] i live in mtl, yes [07:38] farruinn: want to be in a video? :) [07:39] farruinn: http://foodfight.org/movies/Ubuntu%20Fanpeople/ === farruinn raises an eyebrow [07:44] ok, my is on the way to the airport. cu soon! [07:44] bye [07:45] jeff has a really manic look on his face in the first frame of his video [07:45] farruinn: yeah, he did it on purpose :) [08:01] night all [08:01] gnight === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:05] hi all [08:05] hi [08:07] wazup here? [08:07] not much, a lot of people are heading to UBZ [08:08] ANARCHY! [08:08] *ahem* [08:08] haha [08:09] I suppose everybody's bringing their halloween costume :) [08:09] zakame: nah :) [08:09] I'm scary enough by myself [08:10] hihi [08:12] I'm feeling defeated: I downloaded the debian source package for Solfege 3.0.2 and compiled/packaged it with no problem. When I try to install the resulting *.deb thought I get the error: "/var/lib/dpkg/info/solfege.postinst: line 27: /usr/bin/python2.3: No such file or directory" [08:12] this line in the postinst script is trying to run /usr/bin/python$PV but I can't find where $PV is being set [08:13] arg, please disregard that, I just found it [08:18] So what would have to happen for the current version of solfege (2.0.4) to be replaced with 3.0.2? [08:21] have you confirmed it works? [08:21]