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KungFuIf anyone is home...  Is Edubuntu basically the same as Ubuntu from a tech support perspective?12:04
highvoltageHi KungFu 12:05
KungFuhi12:05
highvoltageIt's something I've been wondering about as well.12:05
highvoltageWhat exactly do you mean, are you asking in terms of official support from canonical?12:05
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highvoltageEdubuntu has the same release cycle as Ubuntu, and the same security updates, etc will apply.12:06
KungFuWell I have some good instructions on getting DVD playback on Ubuntu but I am running Edubuntu for my daughter...12:06
jelknerogra: oliver, are you here?12:06
highvoltageThe DVD playback instructions should work fine on Edubuntu.12:06
bluefrog-10KungFu, it will be the same12:06
highvoltagehi jelkner 12:06
KungFugreat... thanks12:06
jelknerhighvoltage: hi! with whom am i chatting?12:07
highvoltageedubot: highvoltage12:07
edubothighvoltage is Jonathan Carter12:07
highvoltage:)12:07
jelkneri've got an emergency situation and i'm here looking for help12:07
highvoltagefire away12:07
jelknerjust did an edubuntu install12:08
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jelknerserver has 2 nicks12:08
jelkners/nicks/nics12:08
jelknerfirst nic is 192.168.0.14012:08
jelknereth1 is 192.168.1.25412:08
jelknerclients need to boot off eth112:09
jelknerdhcp is not working12:09
jelknerclients aren't booting12:09
jelkneri read http://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup12:09
highvoltagedid you specify 192.168.1.254 during installation?12:09
jelknerno, i specified 192.168.0.140 since that is the nic going to the outside world12:10
bluefrog-10dhcp is not working or failing to start?12:10
jelknerit started12:10
jelkneror at least there was no error message12:10
highvoltageif i were in that situation, and it was urgent, i would edit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and change it manually12:11
jelkneri did that12:11
jelknerbut perhaps i didn't do it right12:11
highvoltageand you restarted dhcpd?12:11
bluefrog-100. is connected to a hub to which clients are connected to as well?12:11
jelkneryes12:11
jelknerhere is what it looks like now:12:11
highvoltagejelkner: did you cat /var/log/syslog afterwards?12:11
highvoltageyou can also check whether dhcpd is running by "ps aux | grep dhcpd"12:12
highvoltageyou should get back the line you entered and another with a running dhcpd instance12:12
bluefrog-10paste your dhcp.conf12:12
highvoltagehttp://paste.ubuntulinux.nl12:13
jelknerdhcpd    28950  0.0  0.0   2804  1488 ?        Ss   17:46   0:00 /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 -q -pf /var/run/dhcp3-server/dhcpd.pid -cf /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf12:13
jelknerroot      2724  0.0  0.0   1620   488 pts/0    R+   18:13   0:00 grep dhcpd12:13
highvoltageok, so dhcpd is running.12:14
highvoltagecan you send us your dhcpd.conf?12:15
highvoltageand how did you restart dhcpd?12:15
bluefrog-10on the clients what's the error if any?12:15
jelknerauthoritative;12:16
jelknersubnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {12:16
jelkner  range 192.168.1.100 192.168.1.150;12:16
jelkner  option domain-name "twsc.org";12:16
jelkner  option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.2;12:16
jelkner  option broadcast-address 192.168.1.255;12:16
jelkner  option routers 192.168.0.1;12:16
jelkner  option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;12:16
jelkner  filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0";12:16
jelkner  option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";12:16
jelkner}12:16
jelknerthe clients are finding a dhcp server12:16
jelkners/aren't/are12:16
highvoltagedhcp is working fine, but is not set up properly.12:17
highvoltageno, i'm lying. sorry :)12:17
jelknerok, please explain12:17
jelkneri think the issue is the 2 nic12:17
jelkners/nics/nic12:17
jelkneris it running on the wrong interface?12:18
highvoltagei don't think so, dhcpd will listen on the interface where that ip address lives.12:18
highvoltageyour option routers is possibly wrong, too.12:18
bluefrog-10change your 168.0 in 168.1 restart dhcp and have a go12:18
jelknerbut 168.0 is the gateway12:18
jelknerwe have a strange double nat situation12:19
bluefrog-10then change the 1 in 012:19
highvoltageok12:19
highvoltagejelkner: how did you restart dhcp3-server?12:19
highvoltagetry:12:19
jelkner/etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start12:19
highvoltagenot restart?12:20
jelknerjust did restart, and it failed12:20
highvoltagecat /var/log/syslog12:20
jelknerOct 29 18:20:20 edubuntu dhcpd: No subnet declaration for eth0 (192.168.0.140).12:21
jelknerOct 29 18:20:20 edubuntu dhcpd: ** Ignoring requests on eth0.  If this is not what12:21
jelknerOct 29 18:20:20 edubuntu dhcpd:    you want, please write a subnet declaration12:21
jelknerOct 29 18:20:20 edubuntu dhcpd:    in your dhcpd.conf file for the network segment12:21
jelknerOct 29 18:20:20 edubuntu dhcpd:    to which interface eth0 is attached. **12:21
jelknerOct 29 18:20:20 edubuntu dhcpd:12:21
jelknerOct 29 18:20:20 edubuntu dhcpd:12:21
jelknerOct 29 18:20:20 edubuntu dhcpd: Not configured to listen on any interfaces!12:21
jelknerbut that is the wrong interface12:21
bluefrog-10vi /etc/default/dhcp312:22
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linuxboyedubot: HiveDrone 12:22
edubotlinuxboy: excuse me?12:22
linuxboyedubot: highvoltage 12:22
edubothighvoltage is Jonathan Carter12:22
highvoltagejelkner: yes, you might need to add eth1 to that file12:22
jelkner0 vi /etc/default/dhcp3-server ?12:22
linuxboyedubot: karma highvoltage 12:22
edubotlinuxboy: highvoltage has neutral karma12:22
highvoltagejelkner: yes12:22
bluefrog-10INTERFACES=12:22
jelknerOct 29 18:23:24 edubuntu dhcpd: No subnet declaration for eth1 (0.0.0.0).12:23
jelknerOct 29 18:23:24 edubuntu dhcpd: ** Ignoring requests on eth1.  If this is not what12:23
jelknerthis is a different error12:24
jelknerafter INTERFACES="eth1"12:24
jelknerand a restart12:24
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highvoltagewhat do you get if you type ifconfig eth1?12:24
highvoltageis your ip address properly set?12:25
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jelknerthanks, we got it!12:26
jelknereth1 was not up12:26
jelkneri used the gnome networking tool, but that didn't work12:26
jelknerafter "ifconfig eth1 up"12:26
highvoltagei usually edit /etc/network/interfaces12:26
jelknerall is well!12:26
jelknerok, let me do that12:26
highvoltageman interfaces explains it nicely12:26
jelkneri'm going to log off to restart server and see what happens now12:29
jelknerthanks!12:29
ograhi12:30
ograoh, missed jelkner12:30
ograhighvoltage, dont edit /etc/default/dhcp3-server12:30
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highvoltageok, what should we do?12:31
ograthe dhcp server automatically pics up the first matching ip range12:31
ograthe only thing that is needed, is the right static entry in /etc/netwrk/interfaces12:31
bluefrog-10oh so that's a change with normal ltsp running, correct?12:31
ograit must match the range from the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf12:32
highvoltagei thought so too, i just assumed his network card was already up, and that was the only other thing i could think of editing, i think bluefrog-10 though across the same lines.12:32
ograthats the default the ubuntu/edubuntu dhcpd uses12:32
bluefrog-10weird cause under ubuntu and normal ltsp (not standalone) i have to edit it to have it working12:33
ograyup, thats a change i made to dhcpd, it now "just works" if the matching interface is found running12:33
ogranope12:33
bluefrog-10oh yeah that's a change then12:33
ogranot in breezy12:33
ograin breezy it will "just work"  12:34
ogra(as long as the interface is up indeed :)12:34
bluefrog-10gonna have a look riht away12:34
ograthats why th edubuntu installer uses a static ip and doesnt pick dhcp as default as ubuntu does12:35
ograso i can guarantee there is a interface with static ip post install12:35
bluefrog-10yep so much for me...12:35
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bluefrog-10don't know why i was fiddling with it then :)12:36
jelknerhighvoltage: thanks, all is working!12:36
ografor dapper the dhcpd.conf will even be autogenerated, i sadly wasnt allowed to get the patch in anymore12:36
highvoltagejelkner: ogra just informed us, there was no need to edit the /etc/default/dhcp3-server file, I suggest you change it back.12:37
ograas long as he doesnt change anything, the entry can stay... its just odd if you forget about it and have probs later ;)12:37
jelknerok, change "eth1" to ""12:38
ograas it was before :)12:38
jelknerthat's how it was before12:38
jelknerogra: question: we are finding a strange bug?12:38
ograjelkner, i just explained, the dhcpd in breezy was changed to automatically pick up the right interface if the range in /etcltsp/dhcpd.conf matches a running interface with static ip12:39
jelkneroften time, a user needs to log in 3 times before they can get in, have you seen this before?12:39
ograjust make sure the interface is up... thats why the installer uses a static entry12:39
ograits a feature12:39
jelknerlol12:39
ograjelkner, only if you already were logged in...12:40
jelknerahh12:40
ograits my worst bug that nobody has an explanation for yet12:40
ograsee the install notes wikipage, its linked there12:40
jelkneryeah12:40
jelknerok12:40
jelknerthey were asking me about it at the library12:40
ograhttp://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1524412:41
jelkneri give them my stock response: "it will be fixed in dapper" ;-)12:41
ograit takes quite exactly a minute, then you can log in smoothly12:41
ograyup12:41
ograthats right, else i can resign :)12:41
jelkneri have confidence in you12:41
ograthe strange thing is that you really can stopwatch it12:42
highvoltagethat is interesting.12:42
ograbut there isno timeout of 60ec anywhere in the affected apps12:42
jelknerok, i need to run12:43
ograelse it would be easy :)12:43
jelknerthis has been great! another successfull edubuntu install12:43
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jelknercya in montreal!12:43
ograbah, he never remembers to read the install notes ... else he wouldnt come here once a week and ask the same questions12:46
ograwe had the dhcpd thing three times now12:46
highvoltagehehe.12:47
highvoltagei can't talk either, i forget about the installnotes as well.12:47
bluefrog-10not sure if my following question fits in the right place at the right time but well doesn't cost to ask, there wouldn't be a job opportunity for a frenchy as manual writer/tester, install and user training by chance?12:49
ogratatoo it on your forehead :) there are only two things you need to know for a successfull install, both are outlined/linked there :)12:50
highvoltageedubot: InstallNotes is <reply> Read the InstallNotes at http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes12:51
edubothighvoltage: gotcha12:51
ograbluefrog-10, i guess we are still too small for more employed people ... dunno if there will be people hired for ubuntu though... but in any case you'd have to be around for some time already and have made some amount of contributions...12:53
bluefrog-10working on it12:53
ograso just stay with us and if we'll grow to millons of installations over the world, the surely will be a chance... currently we dont even have a real userbase... its just growing12:54
ogratime for dinner ...12:55
highvoltagetime for bed this side.12:55
highvoltagegoodnight.12:55
bluefrog-10bye12:55
ograbye12:56
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mhzarkan0x: ping03:45
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mhzarkan0x: ping03:47
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arkan0xmhz, calameishon03:52
arkan0xmhz, calmeishon03:52
mhzhey03:52
arkan0xcomo llegaste ?>03:53
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mhzvisita #ubuntu-laptop03:53
mhzarkan0x: y tu? cero rollo?03:54
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zakamehi all03:58
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bluefrog-10I set up apt-proxy on breezy. using synaptic works (I have installed one package). Now I'd like to import the existing /var/cache/apt/archives into my /data/apt-proxy. When I do apt-proxy-import -r -i /var/cache/apt/archives it keeps telling me "no suitable backend found. What am I missing pls?09:51
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bluefrog-10I set up apt-proxy on breezy. using synaptic works (I have installed one package). Now I'd like to import the existing /var/cache/apt/archives into my /data/apt-proxy. When I do apt-proxy-import -r -i /var/cache/apt/archives it keeps telling me "no suitable backend found. What am I missing pls?10:55
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B_Lizzardeeela12:51
B_Lizzardgood daaay12:51
highvoltagehi B_Lizzard 12:51
B_Lizzardany teachers using edubuntu here?12:52
B_Lizzardoh, it's THAT good...ti na peis12:53
YagisanB_Lizzard: perhaps you picked the wrong time of day ?12:53
B_Lizzardprobably...sorry.12:54
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YagisanG'day ogra12:54
highvoltageor wrong day of the week :)12:54
highvoltagehi ogra12:54
Yagisanwell, it's 11pm Sunday here12:55
ogra*yawn*12:55
highvoltagealmost 14pm sunday here, i don't think teachers would be here much on Sunday's at all :)12:55
B_Lizzardit's 13:55 here12:55
highvoltageogra: how do you do that: ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra]  12:56
highvoltagethe ubuntu/member/ogra thing?12:56
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juliuxhi ogra 12:58
juliuxogra, edubunt was a hit yesterday at the linux day in dresden12:59
juliuxs/edubunt/edubuntu12:59
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mhzhi ther04:51
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strusbergmhz:Hi04:54
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bluefrog-10I set up apt-proxy on breezy. using synaptic works (I have installed one package). Now I'd like to import the existing /var/cache/apt/archives into my /data/apt-proxy. When I do apt-proxy-import -r -i /var/cache/apt/archives it keeps telling me "no suitable backend found. Am missing some kind of tricks with apt-move but I'm at a loss on how to do it05:09
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jsgotangcohey sabdfl , jammcq_ubz 05:09
jammcq_ubzhey05:09
ajmitch_hi05:10
sabdflhiya jsgotangco... ogra in full swing at UBZ05:12
jsgotangcooh yes i was looking at the stuff written by Riddell on the wiki05:12
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highvoltageJaneW: what happened with that club of rome guy wanting to print edubuntu cd's?05:24
JaneWhighvoltage: he has made DVDs for WSIS in Tunisia05:26
highvoltageah, cool :)05:26
JaneWAFAIK he has added Ubuntu live CD and edubuntu, and 3 ubuntu install files too plus some brochures and marketing info pdfs etc...05:28
highvoltagei'd love to put info about that on the edubuntu site, and pictures, if any.05:28
JaneWI'll ask claire to send a few to us after WSIS so we can see exactly what's there etc05:29
jsgotangcohey JaneW 05:29
JaneWhey jsgotangco 05:29
highvoltageJaneW: how's ubuntu-love?05:30
JaneWhighvoltage: great (but I feel awful - laaaate night last night) ;)05:30
highvoltagehow's the cold?05:31
JaneWhighvoltage: still lingering, but much better thanks05:31
sabdflJaneW: you are not alone05:31
jsgotangcoit'll be hell for me if i was there for sure (jetlag and cold weather)05:32
highvoltagehi sabdfl 05:32
sabdflhiya05:32
ograsabdfl, but you look quite fresh actually :)05:32
jsgotangcoogra: how was your talk?05:33
ograhmm, felt so/so ....05:33
highvoltagesabdfl: as soon as launchpad is up, i'm going to post my first bounty. then i'll be a small step closer to being like sabdfl :)05:33
ograid like to fave been less timid... but i'm working on it... i'm not very used to hold talks ...05:34
jsgotangcobounty for?05:34
highvoltagei want to put out a bounty for a change to gnome-panel05:34
JaneWsabdfl: heh05:34
highvoltageit bothers me that i can change the background colour, or make it transparent, but i can't change the foreground font colour.05:35
JaneWhighvoltage: lp is up now.05:35
juliuxogra, hi    on off our professor in dresden will test edubuntu on his server05:35
highvoltageso i'm going to post a bounty for it :)05:35
ograyay05:35
juliuxogra, he needs a terminal server05:35
jsgotangcohighvoltage: what kind of change?05:35
ograjuliux, i have several other requests from germany too... from some "Volkshochschulen"05:36
juliuxogra, is it possible to run edubuntu on sparc ?05:36
juliuxogra, cool05:36
ograjuliux, ping fabbione please, i know he built edubuntu packages, but i think the ltsp isnt ready for it yet05:36
juliuxogra, ok05:37
JaneWhighvoltage: how's the edubuntu art team formation going, have you had much interest and/or actual help yet?05:37
ograsiretart is here, i'll talk to im about sparc support for ltsp :)05:37
ogra*him05:37
jsgotangcoi actually have a lot in queue at art.ubuntu.com05:38
ograapprove it then :)05:39
jsgotangcoi just looked a few minutes ago :)05:40
highvoltageJaneW: there's lots of interest. i was just thinking of creating the team in launchpad as well.05:42
JaneWhighvoltage: ditto, that's why I asked ;)05:42
highvoltagemy first bounty: https://launchpad.net/bounties/gnome-panel-font-colour05:43
highvoltageit's small, but i think it's a good start.05:43
JaneWjsgotangco: did you get admin rights on art.u.c?05:43
jsgotangcoyeah05:43
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JaneWjsgotangco: cool05:44
jsgotangcoim looking at the queue now05:44
=== JaneW will LOL if edubuntu mustard ends up with the highest number of votes in the end ;)
JaneWand ogra will be mad :)05:45
ograheh05:46
=== ajmitch_ will have to remember to vote :)
jsgotangcoJaneW: i find the interface strange though, is this made from scratch>05:47
strusbergHi, The Latinux team are working in a Metainstaller project (CUIAMA).05:47
JaneWjsgotangco: yes I thinki hno73 did it all by himself...05:47
JaneWjsgotangco: he knows it needs work...05:48
strusbergmore information about CUAIMA in our PyCon 2006 proposal 05:48
juliuxogra, siretart says that ltsp on sparc should possible05:48
jsgotangcoJaneW: I'll give him feedback then :)05:48
strusberghttp://www.python.org.ve/CuaimaPyCon05:48
jsgotangcothe approval process needs work05:48
JaneWjsgotangco: he has a feedback page, I'll look for it....05:48
ograjuliux, sure, we just need to write it ;) and i wont have time/hardware to care for sparc05:48
juliuxogra, hehe i also have no sparc05:49
strusbergnow, we are looking for somebody to make the Edubuntu stage for CUAIMA.05:49
highvoltagepggg. i keep using wiki markup in launchpad.05:49
jsgotangcoJaneW: it's alright, i work with henrik on accessibility at the moment i'll send him an email later05:51
JaneWjsgotangco: I can't rem where it is now... 05:51
JaneWjsgotangco: right, I saw the no hands e-mail challenge ;)05:52
jsgotangcoJaneW: I was thinking of a mix of accessibility and edubuntu...05:52
JaneWjsgotangco: yes there may be quite a demand for that...05:55
JaneWjsgotangco: education environments for disabled (is it allowed to say that or is there a better word?) children05:55
jsgotangcoJaneW: the proper term would be accessibility in educational computing environments05:57
ograJaneW, handicapped :)05:58
jsgotangcoJaneW: http://www.flickr.com/photos/magicfab/57562207/05:58
JaneWcringe!05:59
jsgotangcowho is the woman in white?05:59
JaneWmarilize06:00
JaneWMiss Shipit06:00
jsgotangcoahhh so that's marilize06:00
JaneWnod06:00
highvoltageJaneW: comments? https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-artwork06:04
highvoltageJaneW: nice edubuntu sticker06:05
highvoltagei mean, nice Ubuntu sticker :)06:05
JaneWnice emblem ;)06:05
JaneWhighvoltage: I'll bring one back for you06:06
highvoltage:)06:06
JaneWhighvoltage: Hilton only gets one when I get my GEEK Freedom League t-shirt ;)06:06
highvoltagemhuhahahahaha!06:06
JaneWheh06:07
jsgotangcowow nice emblem06:08
jsgotangcohighvoltage: i will join :) (as admin/approver for art.ubuntu.com)06:09
highvoltagejsgotangco: thank you :)06:09
highvoltage16x16 doesn't give you much to work with06:09
ograhighvoltage, can you somehow interconnect it to the edubuntu team ?06:10
jsgotangcolol06:10
jsgotangcoogra: make it a member of edubuntu?06:10
ograis that possible ? 06:10
highvoltageogra: yes, i think you need to add it as a member06:11
jsgotangcobut that makes edubuntu-artwork members automatic ubuntu members afaik06:11
jsgotangcos/ubuntu/edubuntu06:11
highvoltageit's at "Edit Members" in the menu on the right06:11
ograthats fine06:11
highvoltagejsgotangco: i think that would make sense.06:11
yvesCRunning aclocal-1.7...06:12
yvesCaclocal: configure.in: 62: macro `AM_PATH_SDL' not found in library06:12
yvesCsorry06:12
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highvoltageyou can get a general idea of how many people are working on edubuntu from the top level page, and then click on the team pages to see who's interested in which area.06:12
jsgotangcohighvoltage: edubuntu-art is an open team though...06:13
ograoh, ok...06:13
ograthen its probably better to just put a link to the edubuntu team there06:14
highvoltagejsgotangco: do you think i should make it a moderated team?06:14
highvoltagei couldn't really think of a reason it should be moderated.06:15
highvoltagejsgotangco: ok, i see what you mean, i'll make it moderated.06:15
ograhighvoltage, why ? 06:16
ograits fine for an artwork team to be open06:17
ograyou can always throw our people as admin06:17
ogra*out06:17
highvoltagetrue.06:17
highvoltagei'm leaving it open then. jsgotangco: as ogra said, we can always kick someone if they misbehave06:18
jsgotangcoyep06:18
jsgotangcoits ok06:18
ograjust make a link to edubuntu "if you want a member of the edubuntu/edubuntu development team, klick here" ...06:19
highvoltageogra: i don't think i'm understanding you?06:19
highvoltageoh, contact details?06:19
ograyes, a link to https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu/+join06:20
ograto encourage eople to join the edubuntu team too06:20
highvoltageok06:21
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bluefrog-10I need someone who installed apt-proxy on Breezy and successfully imported its /var/cache/apt/archives pls06:34
highvoltagebluefrog-10: after your question this afternoon, i tried it too, i get the same error, no suitable back-end found.06:38
JaneWhttp://www.flickr.com/groups/36521969913@N01/  <- scary!06:38
highvoltagethen again, this was the first time i installed apt-proxy, we might be making the same mistakes.06:38
bluefrog-10highvoltage, i think i know why06:39
bluefrog-10but as am no programmer or dev am not sure06:39
highvoltageJaneW: where are you?06:39
bluefrog-10there is no tree in /var/cache/archives, just plain .deb06:39
JaneWhighvoltage: downstairs ball room, in Holiday In Select, Montreal, Canada, Earth, Solar System etc06:41
highvoltageJaneW: no, i mean, where's your photo in that gallery? :)06:42
ajmitch_listening to jdub, probably :)06:42
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mhzre06:44
mhzany news for edubuntu from Montreal?06:45
mhzogra: Juan Carlos Inostroza is the #1 candidate to sign my key ID06:45
mhzI hope we'll meet this week06:46
jsgotangcooh he just spoke about edubuntu...06:48
mhzJaneW: any news regarding funds? Could we use the funds to ship only 200 CD's per counry (this 1st time) and use some of the moeny to get T-Shirts and mugs?06:48
mhzjsgotangco: ok, i'll try to red back logs06:49
mhzred =read06:49
JaneWhighvoltage: OMG NO!06:50
mhzJaneW: Could we have one you (edubuntu core team) guys cming to Chile for the Edubuntu Chilean Tour (we're trying to get funds to do it in December b4 christmas)06:50
mhzThe second event should take place in February (after 15th)06:51
JaneWmhz: just listening to a talk atm...06:51
mhztalk?06:51
mhzohhh, you're in a talk?06:51
mhzsorry06:52
highvoltageJaneW: i'm going to send an invite to the ubuntu-art mailing list to join edubuntu-art on launchpad06:54
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highvoltageJaneW: and also to edubuntu-devel to join edubuntu-art and edubuntu-www06:55
jsgotangcomhz: i'd love to go to chile anytime heh06:58
mhzcool07:00
mhzunfortunately, we're still in the process of getting funds to do it. Remember Tecnocimiento is a group of volunteers for IT on Edu. who believe we gan make some money out of it but whose motivation is to solve current education needs here.07:01
mhzgan = can07:02
jsgotangcoheh07:03
sven-tekogra, hi - iam happy you want to join out event in essen. whats your email?07:03
sven-tekour07:03
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mhzjsgotangco: have you ever tried 'ghemical'??07:06
mhzjsgotangco: have you ever tried 'exelearning'??07:06
jsgotangcommm?07:06
highvoltageyummy07:06
jsgotangcono07:06
mhzthe latter helps you create moodle material and sync it afterwards07:06
mhzhighvoltage: you in montreal too?07:07
mhzso far, after 2 Edubuntu talks, 1 teacher and 2 students have asked me to include ghemical in next release07:08
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highvoltagemhz: no. i wish i was though.07:08
jsgotangcowell you can make a MainInclusionReport for it 07:08
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jsgotangcoDescription: A GNOME molecular modelling environment07:09
jsgotangco Ghemical is a computational chemistry software package written in C++.07:09
jsgotangco It has a graphical user interface and it supports both quantum-07:09
jsgotangco mechanics (semi-empirical) models and molecular mechanics models.07:09
jsgotangco Geometry optimization, molecular dynamics and a large set of07:09
jsgotangco visualization tools using OpenGL are currently available.07:09
jsgotangcovisualization...interesting...07:09
mhzjsgotangco: i already installed it but I am too ignorant to clearly understand ho to use it07:11
mhz:D07:11
jsgotangcowell clearly its an advanced chemistry app07:12
jsgotangcoits no katomic07:12
jsgotangcoheheh07:12
pituxwill be think include packages for interactive geometry how to: drgeo, geogebra07:13
mhzya, but only using the first icon on the left (pencil) and drawing with the mouse it showed very nice line which I could turn it in 3D07:13
pituxkig is more basic07:13
mhzpitux: I agree07:14
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jsgotangcobrb07:16
mhzjsgotangco: pitux is one of the students (to become math teacher) who has been working a chilean project called Free Maths na is now testing edubuntu07:16
mhzpitux: ya tenia instalado the language support me habis mencionado07:17
mhzsolo que no habia iniciado KDE y especificado que lo usara :)07:17
mhztonto yo!07:17
pituxmhz kstars is in spanish in my computer with language package07:17
mhzpitux: habias usado ghemical?07:18
mhzexactly07:18
mhzese es mi punto07:18
pituxno07:18
mhzyo no habia iniciado KDE noi habia seteado el lenguaje x defecto07:18
pituxah07:18
mhzy como por omision uso Ingles al instalar todos mis sistemas, castellano no habia sido seteado en KDE pero si en GNOME pues desde ahi habia instalado el soporte ES07:20
pituxah ok07:22
mhzahora, solo la calculadora funciona en ingles07:22
pituxlo que yo le eche de menos a edubuntu07:22
mhzsi?07:23
highvoltagenon comprehende07:23
pituxes un menu mejor clasificado07:23
mhzhighvoltage: oh, sorry.07:23
mhzhighvoltage: does it boher you?07:23
mhzboher = bother07:23
highvoltagemhz: no :)07:24
mhzthx07:24
pituxlook pequelin the distro for education based in debian for latinoamerica07:24
mhzI trie pequelin once07:24
pituxthe menu is excellent 07:24
mhzor twice, very nice distro for kids07:24
mhzohh, do they use GNOME, peuq07:24
mhzohh, do they use GNOME, pitux07:24
mhz?07:24
pituxmenu for aplications for students of primary and secundary, menu for teachers07:24
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pituxpequelin use gnome07:25
mhzpitux: so, you mean we need a 'categorized' menu?07:25
mhzif that's so, we all agre07:25
pituxin spanish please 07:25
mhzi am sure. the 2006 april version will include many improvements.07:26
pituxok07:26
mhzpitux: creo que todos estamos de acuerdo en que un menu x categorias seria mas util07:26
pituxahhhhh cool07:26
mhzhighvoltage: do you recall how long did 5.10 (edubuntu part) take to be ready for release?07:27
highvoltagemhz: what do you mean?07:28
highvoltagehow long it took to make edubuntu?07:28
mhzyes07:28
highvoltagematt did the ltsp part, ogra did the rest.07:28
highvoltagei think it took them ~6 months07:28
mhzhighvoltage: sorry, too many days speaking and writing 90% spanish :)07:28
highvoltageit was a lot of work, being the first release.07:28
pituxvoy y vuelvo07:28
mhzpitux: ok07:28
mhzpitux: usas Xchat?07:29
pituxyeah07:29
highvoltagethat, and the ubuntu work that was done the year before, and the 10 years of debian before that, and the gnu work that started a few decades ago...07:29
highvoltageif you add it together, edubuntu took a few decades to make :)07:29
mhzpitux: brb = vuelvo en seguida07:29
highvoltagemhz: it's ok. i want to learn spanish :)07:29
mhzpitux: /nick pitux_brb te dara un nick "autoexplicativo" :)07:29
strusbergmhz, pitux: Maybe we can open edubuntu-es channel in Freenode. What do you think about this?07:30
mhzstrusberg: yes, we have not had that yet because we need more edubuntu latin people. However, i'm in the process of becoming ubuntu memeber.07:31
mhzstrusberg: the idea is we endup having an officialy recognized channel and not the unofficial edubuntu-la channel :)07:32
strusbergmhz: Perfect!. I can help you in Venezuela07:32
mhzcool!07:32
pituxwelcome07:32
pituxstrusberg07:32
mhzstrusberg: do you know of any other spanish peakers here?07:32
pituxi want learn english07:32
mhzspeaker07:32
mhzpitux: so you should definately stay here07:32
mhzor stikc around07:33
mhzstick07:33
mhzhighvoltage: thx for understanding07:33
mhzand supporting07:33
strusbergmhz: Sure!. I know many spanish spekars people that use Ubuntu07:33
highvoltagei think i'll join ubuntu-es for a while, maybe i'll pick something up <g>07:34
mhzstrusberg: but Edubuntu?07:34
strusbergmhz: In fact I am conference coordinator for the III world forum of Free Technologies this year in Venezuela07:34
strusbergmhz: Sure! Edubuntu too!07:35
mhzstrusberg: cool! I am organizing the Edubuntu Chilena Tour here.07:35
mhzChilean07:35
strusbergYes. I see in the log of this irc.07:36
mhzstrusberg: and pitux is one of the leaders of www.matematicaslibre.cl07:36
mhzstrusberg: so maybe we could work lot closer07:37
mhzstrusberg: please visit www.tecnocimiento.cl and tell me what you think about the projects we are trying to keep going07:37
strusbergmhz: Of course. Do you have free time on Nov 23th - 26th?07:38
mhzsure! free technologies is what i work for (mon-sunday)07:39
strusbergpitux: Same question for you.07:39
mhz:-p07:39
pituxmmmmmm07:39
pituxnovember 23th pearl jam arrive to Chile07:40
mhzlol!07:40
mhzstrusberg: i am fan of good music but Free as in freedom TIC-Edu is much more important :D07:41
pituxbut the ticket is buy 07:41
strusbergmhz: Yes.Please visit www.tecnologialibre.org07:42
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mhzpitux: your choice07:42
mhz:)07:42
pituxtravel to venezuela07:43
strusbergmhz,pitux: Guaoo!!. We are walking the same route!07:43
pituxexcellent strusberg07:44
strusbergI am educator, teaching in Simon Bolivar University and ISEIT (www.iseit.com.ve)07:44
mhzeducool07:45
pituxcool07:45
strusbergmhz: And I work with Python too!, for example I have one entry level prog course in Python07:45
pituxahhhh cool i use python for programming numerical methods07:46
mhzpython rock!07:46
mhzpython rocks!07:46
strusbergYes!, Python rocks!07:47
strusberg:-)07:47
strusbergWe can support edubuntu project.07:47
mhzhighvoltage: i would say edubuntu was done in less than 6 months07:47
strusbergFor example we have one MetaInstaller (now working in Ubuntu)07:47
mhzwe?what you mean?07:48
strusbergmhz,pitux: You, us, latinux team ;-)07:48
pituxcool07:49
strusbergmhz: Visit cuaima.latinux.org07:49
pituxto work now07:49
mhzoooh, yes!07:49
highvoltagemhz: yes, i would agree with you there. it depends how you look at it.07:50
mhzhehehe07:50
strusbergcount me. 07:51
mhzstrusberg: ?07:51
mhzstrusberg: that meta installer looks very useful07:51
mhzesp. for non geeks07:52
strusbergExactly07:52
mhzhowever, it seems to me that APT and TFTPboot would do the trick in a lot less beautiful way, though07:52
mhzanyways, i'm still reaqding about it07:53
highvoltagewhich meta-installer?07:53
mhz highvoltage cuaima.latinux.org07:54
strusberghighvoltage: CUAIMA (cuaima.latinux.org)07:54
highvoltagegracas07:54
strusbergEnglish info about CUAIMA in http://www.python.org.ve/CuaimaPyCon07:55
mhzstrusberg: track is very useful07:56
mhz:)07:56
strusbergmhz: Yehh07:56
strusbergMhz: I love trac.07:56
mhzhowever i try to use Moin for 99% of mi stuff07:57
highvoltagemhz: how does it work? does it tar up your distro and untar it again at another end and re-installs grub?07:57
strusbergMhz: Yes my team use MoinMoin for the Venezuelan Python website07:57
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mhzhighvoltage: strusberg is the man to tell you about cuaima07:57
mhzhighvoltage: some screenshot summary http://www2.latinux.org/tiki-browse_gallery.php?galleryId=807:58
highvoltagei thought of starting a cgi installer too once.07:59
mhzonce, only?07:59
highvoltagehere's one of the half-completed xul sheets i was thinking of using: http://jonathancarter.ossn.co.za/projects/tust/opts.xul08:00
strusberghighvoltage: Join to our team08:00
highvoltagemhz: no, i'm lying, probably more than that ;)08:00
mhzhehehe, i bet08:00
highvoltagestrusberg: in all honesty, i'd love to, but i am so overcommitted at this stage you wouldn't believe it08:01
highvoltagestrusberg: where's your mailing lists? i'll join it and follow what's going on, it might even be a good place to practice spanish08:01
mhzhighvoltage: nice xul08:01
strusberghighvoltage: No problem. Your comments are welcome any time.08:02
highvoltageif i find somewhere where i can contribute. this december i'm taking leave so i'll have some time to poke around at things.08:02
strusbergSure!. Now is in pyve@python.org.ve.08:02
highvoltageis that the mailinst list address?08:02
strusberghighvoltage: Yes.08:02
mhzstrusberg: do you use xchat?08:03
highvoltagei sent an email there, so it will probably send me an email back with some help.08:04
strusbergmhz: I have your e-mail from your website. I am sending a e-mail this night about the conference08:04
mhzoh, k08:04
mhzthx08:04
strusbergNow, i am using konversation. But I prefer xchat08:04
highvoltagexchat and irssi are my favourite. both of them work just the way i expect them to.08:06
mhzindeed08:06
strusberghighvoltage: We use Mailman please, visit http://python.org.ve/mailman/listinfo/08:06
mhzhowever before i learn more command line apps. I would still prefer to get proficiency in Emacs :D08:07
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strusbergmhz: Upps. I prefer vi .08:07
highvoltageall you need to know is vim :)08:07
highvoltagestrusberg: ^508:07
mhzstrusberg: you said you use Moin. Well, i am the transaltor of Moin es.po file. so if you have complains please let me know so i can correct misinterpretations08:08
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mhzstrusberg: sure vi / vim is good08:09
highvoltagei use apps in english 100% of the time. using software in Afrikaans just confuses me :P08:09
mhzhowever, emacs is more than an editor...it's a challenge08:09
mhz:D08:10
mhzhighvoltage: actually, last talk of edubuntu, i was so lost because i was demoing in spanish :D08:10
strusberg:D08:10
highvoltageyeah. i do all my talks in english, otherwise i get stuck on what the proper word is for all the terms in my own language.08:12
mhzguys, i gotta do some laundry and dish-washing, otherwise, my wife will kick my chilean butt (as i work as 'volunteer' most of the weekdays, i make much less money than her, so I must take care of the boring house stuff)08:13
arkan0xmhz probaste la resolucion de la vga externa >?08:13
mhzarkan0x: no aun08:13
mhzcual vga externa, a proposito?08:13
strusbergmhz: In Venezuela that is the name for CUAIMA!08:13
arkan0xmhz, tb podrias hacer resolucion 1024x768 virtual08:13
arkan0xmhz, la vga del laptop , externa08:13
mhzarkan0x: nop08:13
mhzstrusberg: what you mean?08:13
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strusbergCUAIMA is a joke name for our wife or girlfriend08:14
mhzlol08:14
mhzheheheehhehe08:14
mhz.oO(estos venezolanos estan "majaretas" :D  )08:14
strusbergCUAIMA is a very dangerous sneak here08:14
mhzthat's why it sounded so familiar08:14
mhzarkan0x: virtual?08:15
strusbergmhz: sneak=snake08:15
strusbergMy CUIAMA ;-), call me to help her with the lunch...08:16
arkan0xsip , osea resolucion a 1024x768 , pero tu mueves el mouse y la pantalla se mueve para lograr esa resolucion08:17
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pituxcool arkan0x08:35
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arkan0xwuena pitux !08:35
pituxhello08:35
highvoltageedoo: goodnight08:37
edoogoodnight, highvoltage. I'll keep an eye out for the MS spies while you sleep.08:37
highvoltagegoodnight, #edubuntu.08:38
JaneWnight08:38
JaneWmhz: I think it's been finally decided to not press edubuntu CDs right now... the expense is quite high for the small volumes we are looking at, and the value is debatable08:40
JaneWwe have decided to rather wait till edubuntu 6.04 for this08:40
juliuxJaneW, it is possible to get support for burning them ourselfe on fairs?08:45
JaneWogra may have someone who will press for around 1Euro, plus P&P, tis still needs to be approved and arranged though...08:46
JaneWmhz: the conf has just started today, and today is the 'love-day' so no specs are defined yet...08:46
JaneWjuliux: we have not been given access to ANY funds to date, but as edubuntu gorws and gets more attention I am sure we can justify asking for some, right now I doubt we'll get much support to be honest... ogra: what do you think?08:47
juliuxJaneW, are there cdcover images ? or a little flyer who we can print?08:48
juliuxJaneW, we plan to buy a cd/dvd burner in germany which burns logos like this http://www.iso4you.de/infos/ls-muster1-gr.jpg on the cd/dvds08:48
pituxbye friends08:49
juliuxbye pitux 08:49
ograjuliux, its on the wiki08:51
ogra(the cover etc)08:51
juliuxogra, but you can use it with slimcases08:51
juliuxogra, i have teste it08:52
juliuxogra, an slimcase are very cheap08:52
juliuxa blank cd in a slimcase only cost 40cent08:55
ograyup...08:55
ograsorry, have a edubuntu/ltsp presentation now, have to reboot...08:55
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juliuxand you can buy them in every supermarket08:56
juliuxogra, ok have fun08:56
JaneWjuliux: mhz was designing packaging...http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdAndSlip08:59
JaneWjuliux: I can e-mail you a flyer, what's your address?09:00
JaneWargh my wi-fi link here is very tenuous...09:00
juliuxjuliux@ubunut-de.org09:00
JaneWargh my wi-fi link here is very tenuous...09:00
juliuxjuliux@ubuntu-de.org09:00
juliuxsorry09:00
JaneWok will send to you now...09:03
juliuxthxs09:03
juliuxi also have orderd conferen pakages but i didn't get any answer09:04
juliuxis this normal? sorry that i ask09:04
JaneWI am in a talk about that now...09:07
JaneWwhat address did you send to?09:07
JaneWI think there is a huge demand for this kind of thing09:07
JaneWand the process is only just getting organised now09:07
juliuxi send it at info@shipit.ubuntu.com09:08
juliuxi send it on 19  oct09:09
JaneWhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences09:13
JaneWjuliux: try again, it mught be better now that we have a dedicated shipit administrator (and a new system)09:14
juliuxJaneW, ok i will do09:14
juliuxJaneW, done09:17
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bdoinI have a contrib proposal for translating gcompris in afrikaan but can't find the locale code10:09
JaneWbdoin: in rosetta?10:12
JaneWno, I guess not... it's not in rosetta yet is it?10:13
bdoinno specificaly but I also been contacted to include gcompris in rosetta. I don't know yet if it's good for gcompris to be in rosetta and in gnome. not sure I can manage that10:13
bdoinfound it, it's af for afrikaan10:15
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bluefrog-10who has installed breezy directly from hard disk and could give me help, pls?10:48
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bluefrog-10solved problem. not documented is the fact that you need a special kernel to boot from HDD, apparently this kernel is not on the downloadable cd11:22
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