[12:04] <KungFu> If anyone is home...  Is Edubuntu basically the same as Ubuntu from a tech support perspective?
[12:05] <highvoltage> Hi KungFu 
[12:05] <KungFu> hi
[12:05] <highvoltage> It's something I've been wondering about as well.
[12:05] <highvoltage> What exactly do you mean, are you asking in terms of official support from canonical?
[12:06] <highvoltage> Edubuntu has the same release cycle as Ubuntu, and the same security updates, etc will apply.
[12:06] <KungFu> Well I have some good instructions on getting DVD playback on Ubuntu but I am running Edubuntu for my daughter...
[12:06] <jelkner> ogra: oliver, are you here?
[12:06] <highvoltage> The DVD playback instructions should work fine on Edubuntu.
[12:06] <bluefrog-10> KungFu, it will be the same
[12:06] <highvoltage> hi jelkner 
[12:06] <KungFu> great... thanks
[12:07] <jelkner> highvoltage: hi! with whom am i chatting?
[12:07] <highvoltage> edubot: highvoltage
[12:07] <edubot> highvoltage is Jonathan Carter
[12:07] <highvoltage> :)
[12:07] <jelkner> i've got an emergency situation and i'm here looking for help
[12:07] <highvoltage> fire away
[12:08] <jelkner> just did an edubuntu install
[12:08] <jelkner> server has 2 nicks
[12:08] <jelkner> s/nicks/nics
[12:08] <jelkner> first nic is 192.168.0.140
[12:08] <jelkner> eth1 is 192.168.1.254
[12:09] <jelkner> clients need to boot off eth1
[12:09] <jelkner> dhcp is not working
[12:09] <jelkner> clients aren't booting
[12:09] <jelkner> i read http://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup
[12:09] <highvoltage> did you specify 192.168.1.254 during installation?
[12:10] <jelkner> no, i specified 192.168.0.140 since that is the nic going to the outside world
[12:10] <bluefrog-10> dhcp is not working or failing to start?
[12:10] <jelkner> it started
[12:10] <jelkner> or at least there was no error message
[12:11] <highvoltage> if i were in that situation, and it was urgent, i would edit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and change it manually
[12:11] <jelkner> i did that
[12:11] <jelkner> but perhaps i didn't do it right
[12:11] <highvoltage> and you restarted dhcpd?
[12:11] <bluefrog-10> 0. is connected to a hub to which clients are connected to as well?
[12:11] <jelkner> yes
[12:11] <jelkner> here is what it looks like now:
[12:11] <highvoltage> jelkner: did you cat /var/log/syslog afterwards?
[12:12] <highvoltage> you can also check whether dhcpd is running by "ps aux | grep dhcpd"
[12:12] <highvoltage> you should get back the line you entered and another with a running dhcpd instance
[12:12] <bluefrog-10> paste your dhcp.conf
[12:13] <highvoltage> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[12:13] <jelkner> dhcpd    28950  0.0  0.0   2804  1488 ?        Ss   17:46   0:00 /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 -q -pf /var/run/dhcp3-server/dhcpd.pid -cf /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[12:13] <jelkner> root      2724  0.0  0.0   1620   488 pts/0    R+   18:13   0:00 grep dhcpd
[12:14] <highvoltage> ok, so dhcpd is running.
[12:15] <highvoltage> can you send us your dhcpd.conf?
[12:15] <highvoltage> and how did you restart dhcpd?
[12:15] <bluefrog-10> on the clients what's the error if any?
[12:16] <jelkner> authoritative;
[12:16] <jelkner> subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
[12:16] <jelkner>   range 192.168.1.100 192.168.1.150;
[12:16] <jelkner>   option domain-name "twsc.org";
[12:16] <jelkner>   option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.2;
[12:16] <jelkner>   option broadcast-address 192.168.1.255;
[12:16] <jelkner>   option routers 192.168.0.1;
[12:16] <jelkner>   option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
[12:16] <jelkner>   filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0";
[12:16] <jelkner>   option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
[12:16] <jelkner> }
[12:16] <jelkner> the clients are finding a dhcp server
[12:16] <jelkner> s/aren't/are
[12:17] <highvoltage> dhcp is working fine, but is not set up properly.
[12:17] <highvoltage> no, i'm lying. sorry :)
[12:17] <jelkner> ok, please explain
[12:17] <jelkner> i think the issue is the 2 nic
[12:17] <jelkner> s/nics/nic
[12:18] <jelkner> is it running on the wrong interface?
[12:18] <highvoltage> i don't think so, dhcpd will listen on the interface where that ip address lives.
[12:18] <highvoltage> your option routers is possibly wrong, too.
[12:18] <bluefrog-10> change your 168.0 in 168.1 restart dhcp and have a go
[12:18] <jelkner> but 168.0 is the gateway
[12:19] <jelkner> we have a strange double nat situation
[12:19] <bluefrog-10> then change the 1 in 0
[12:19] <highvoltage> ok
[12:19] <highvoltage> jelkner: how did you restart dhcp3-server?
[12:19] <highvoltage> try:
[12:19] <jelkner> /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start
[12:20] <highvoltage> not restart?
[12:20] <jelkner> just did restart, and it failed
[12:20] <highvoltage> cat /var/log/syslog
[12:21] <jelkner> Oct 29 18:20:20 edubuntu dhcpd: No subnet declaration for eth0 (192.168.0.140).
[12:21] <jelkner> Oct 29 18:20:20 edubuntu dhcpd: ** Ignoring requests on eth0.  If this is not what
[12:21] <jelkner> Oct 29 18:20:20 edubuntu dhcpd:    you want, please write a subnet declaration
[12:21] <jelkner> Oct 29 18:20:20 edubuntu dhcpd:    in your dhcpd.conf file for the network segment
[12:21] <jelkner> Oct 29 18:20:20 edubuntu dhcpd:    to which interface eth0 is attached. **
[12:21] <jelkner> Oct 29 18:20:20 edubuntu dhcpd:
[12:21] <jelkner> Oct 29 18:20:20 edubuntu dhcpd:
[12:21] <jelkner> Oct 29 18:20:20 edubuntu dhcpd: Not configured to listen on any interfaces!
[12:21] <jelkner> but that is the wrong interface
[12:22] <bluefrog-10> vi /etc/default/dhcp3
[12:22] <linuxboy> edubot: HiveDrone 
[12:22] <edubot> linuxboy: excuse me?
[12:22] <linuxboy> edubot: highvoltage 
[12:22] <edubot> highvoltage is Jonathan Carter
[12:22] <highvoltage> jelkner: yes, you might need to add eth1 to that file
[12:22] <jelkner> 0 vi /etc/default/dhcp3-server ?
[12:22] <linuxboy> edubot: karma highvoltage 
[12:22] <edubot> linuxboy: highvoltage has neutral karma
[12:22] <highvoltage> jelkner: yes
[12:22] <bluefrog-10> INTERFACES=
[12:23] <jelkner> Oct 29 18:23:24 edubuntu dhcpd: No subnet declaration for eth1 (0.0.0.0).
[12:23] <jelkner> Oct 29 18:23:24 edubuntu dhcpd: ** Ignoring requests on eth1.  If this is not what
[12:24] <jelkner> this is a different error
[12:24] <jelkner> after INTERFACES="eth1"
[12:24] <jelkner> and a restart
[12:24] <highvoltage> what do you get if you type ifconfig eth1?
[12:25] <highvoltage> is your ip address properly set?
[12:26] <jelkner> thanks, we got it!
[12:26] <jelkner> eth1 was not up
[12:26] <jelkner> i used the gnome networking tool, but that didn't work
[12:26] <jelkner> after "ifconfig eth1 up"
[12:26] <highvoltage> i usually edit /etc/network/interfaces
[12:26] <jelkner> all is well!
[12:26] <jelkner> ok, let me do that
[12:26] <highvoltage> man interfaces explains it nicely
[12:29] <jelkner> i'm going to log off to restart server and see what happens now
[12:29] <jelkner> thanks!
[12:30] <ogra> hi
[12:30] <ogra> oh, missed jelkner
[12:30] <ogra> highvoltage, dont edit /etc/default/dhcp3-server
[12:31] <highvoltage> ok, what should we do?
[12:31] <ogra> the dhcp server automatically pics up the first matching ip range
[12:31] <ogra> the only thing that is needed, is the right static entry in /etc/netwrk/interfaces
[12:31] <bluefrog-10> oh so that's a change with normal ltsp running, correct?
[12:32] <ogra> it must match the range from the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[12:32] <highvoltage> i thought so too, i just assumed his network card was already up, and that was the only other thing i could think of editing, i think bluefrog-10 though across the same lines.
[12:32] <ogra> thats the default the ubuntu/edubuntu dhcpd uses
[12:33] <bluefrog-10> weird cause under ubuntu and normal ltsp (not standalone) i have to edit it to have it working
[12:33] <ogra> yup, thats a change i made to dhcpd, it now "just works" if the matching interface is found running
[12:33] <ogra> nope
[12:33] <bluefrog-10> oh yeah that's a change then
[12:33] <ogra> not in breezy
[12:34] <ogra> in breezy it will "just work"  
[12:34] <ogra> (as long as the interface is up indeed :)
[12:34] <bluefrog-10> gonna have a look riht away
[12:35] <ogra> thats why th edubuntu installer uses a static ip and doesnt pick dhcp as default as ubuntu does
[12:35] <ogra> so i can guarantee there is a interface with static ip post install
[12:35] <bluefrog-10> yep so much for me...
[12:36] <bluefrog-10> don't know why i was fiddling with it then :)
[12:36] <jelkner> highvoltage: thanks, all is working!
[12:36] <ogra> for dapper the dhcpd.conf will even be autogenerated, i sadly wasnt allowed to get the patch in anymore
[12:37] <highvoltage> jelkner: ogra just informed us, there was no need to edit the /etc/default/dhcp3-server file, I suggest you change it back.
[12:37] <ogra> as long as he doesnt change anything, the entry can stay... its just odd if you forget about it and have probs later ;)
[12:38] <jelkner> ok, change "eth1" to ""
[12:38] <ogra> as it was before :)
[12:38] <jelkner> that's how it was before
[12:38] <jelkner> ogra: question: we are finding a strange bug?
[12:39] <ogra> jelkner, i just explained, the dhcpd in breezy was changed to automatically pick up the right interface if the range in /etcltsp/dhcpd.conf matches a running interface with static ip
[12:39] <jelkner> often time, a user needs to log in 3 times before they can get in, have you seen this before?
[12:39] <ogra> just make sure the interface is up... thats why the installer uses a static entry
[12:39] <ogra> its a feature
[12:39] <jelkner> lol
[12:40] <ogra> jelkner, only if you already were logged in...
[12:40] <jelkner> ahh
[12:40] <ogra> its my worst bug that nobody has an explanation for yet
[12:40] <ogra> see the install notes wikipage, its linked there
[12:40] <jelkner> yeah
[12:40] <jelkner> ok
[12:40] <jelkner> they were asking me about it at the library
[12:41] <ogra> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15244
[12:41] <jelkner> i give them my stock response: "it will be fixed in dapper" ;-)
[12:41] <ogra> it takes quite exactly a minute, then you can log in smoothly
[12:41] <ogra> yup
[12:41] <ogra> thats right, else i can resign :)
[12:41] <jelkner> i have confidence in you
[12:42] <ogra> the strange thing is that you really can stopwatch it
[12:42] <highvoltage> that is interesting.
[12:42] <ogra> but there isno timeout of 60ec anywhere in the affected apps
[12:43] <jelkner> ok, i need to run
[12:43] <ogra> else it would be easy :)
[12:43] <jelkner> this has been great! another successfull edubuntu install
[12:43] <jelkner> cya in montreal!
[12:46] <ogra> bah, he never remembers to read the install notes ... else he wouldnt come here once a week and ask the same questions
[12:46] <ogra> we had the dhcpd thing three times now
[12:47] <highvoltage> hehe.
[12:47] <highvoltage> i can't talk either, i forget about the installnotes as well.
[12:49] <bluefrog-10> not sure if my following question fits in the right place at the right time but well doesn't cost to ask, there wouldn't be a job opportunity for a frenchy as manual writer/tester, install and user training by chance?
[12:50] <ogra> tatoo it on your forehead :) there are only two things you need to know for a successfull install, both are outlined/linked there :)
[12:51] <highvoltage> edubot: InstallNotes is <reply> Read the InstallNotes at http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes
[12:51] <edubot> highvoltage: gotcha
[12:53] <ogra> bluefrog-10, i guess we are still too small for more employed people ... dunno if there will be people hired for ubuntu though... but in any case you'd have to be around for some time already and have made some amount of contributions...
[12:53] <bluefrog-10> working on it
[12:54] <ogra> so just stay with us and if we'll grow to millons of installations over the world, the surely will be a chance... currently we dont even have a real userbase... its just growing
[12:55] <ogra> time for dinner ...
[12:55] <highvoltage> time for bed this side.
[12:55] <highvoltage> goodnight.
[12:55] <bluefrog-10> bye
[12:56] <ogra> bye
[03:45] <mhz> arkan0x: ping
[03:47] <mhz> arkan0x: ping
[03:52] <arkan0x> mhz, calameishon
[03:52] <arkan0x> mhz, calmeishon
[03:52] <mhz> hey
[03:53] <arkan0x> como llegaste ?>
[03:53] <mhz> okidoki
[03:53] <mhz> visita #ubuntu-laptop
[03:54] <mhz> arkan0x: y tu? cero rollo?
[03:54] <arkan0x> sep
[03:58] <zakame> hi all
[03:58] <mhz> hi
[09:51] <bluefrog-10> I set up apt-proxy on breezy. using synaptic works (I have installed one package). Now I'd like to import the existing /var/cache/apt/archives into my /data/apt-proxy. When I do apt-proxy-import -r -i /var/cache/apt/archives it keeps telling me "no suitable backend found. What am I missing pls?
[10:55] <bluefrog-10> I set up apt-proxy on breezy. using synaptic works (I have installed one package). Now I'd like to import the existing /var/cache/apt/archives into my /data/apt-proxy. When I do apt-proxy-import -r -i /var/cache/apt/archives it keeps telling me "no suitable backend found. What am I missing pls?
[12:51] <B_Lizzard> eeela
[12:51] <B_Lizzard> good daaay
[12:51] <highvoltage> hi B_Lizzard 
[12:52] <B_Lizzard> any teachers using edubuntu here?
[12:53] <B_Lizzard> oh, it's THAT good...ti na peis
[12:53] <Yagisan> B_Lizzard: perhaps you picked the wrong time of day ?
[12:54] <B_Lizzard> probably...sorry.
[12:54] <Yagisan> G'day ogra
[12:54] <highvoltage> or wrong day of the week :)
[12:54] <highvoltage> hi ogra
[12:55] <Yagisan> well, it's 11pm Sunday here
[12:55] <ogra> *yawn*
[12:55] <highvoltage> almost 14pm sunday here, i don't think teachers would be here much on Sunday's at all :)
[12:55] <B_Lizzard> it's 13:55 here
[12:56] <highvoltage> ogra: how do you do that: ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra]  
[12:56] <highvoltage> the ubuntu/member/ogra thing?
[12:58] <juliux> hi ogra 
[12:59] <juliux> ogra, edubunt was a hit yesterday at the linux day in dresden
[12:59] <juliux> s/edubunt/edubuntu
[02:58] <zakame> hi all
[03:46] <zakame> ph
[04:51] <mhz> hi ther
[04:51] <mhz> hi there
[04:54] <strusberg> mhz:Hi
[04:55] <juliux> hi mhz_housestuff 
[05:09] <bluefrog-10> I set up apt-proxy on breezy. using synaptic works (I have installed one package). Now I'd like to import the existing /var/cache/apt/archives into my /data/apt-proxy. When I do apt-proxy-import -r -i /var/cache/apt/archives it keeps telling me "no suitable backend found. Am missing some kind of tricks with apt-move but I'm at a loss on how to do it
[05:09] <jsgotangco> hey sabdfl , jammcq_ubz 
[05:09] <jammcq_ubz> hey
[05:10] <ajmitch_> hi
[05:12] <sabdfl> hiya jsgotangco... ogra in full swing at UBZ
[05:12] <jsgotangco> oh yes i was looking at the stuff written by Riddell on the wiki
[05:24] <highvoltage> JaneW: what happened with that club of rome guy wanting to print edubuntu cd's?
[05:26] <JaneW> highvoltage: he has made DVDs for WSIS in Tunisia
[05:26] <highvoltage> ah, cool :)
[05:28] <JaneW> AFAIK he has added Ubuntu live CD and edubuntu, and 3 ubuntu install files too plus some brochures and marketing info pdfs etc...
[05:28] <highvoltage> i'd love to put info about that on the edubuntu site, and pictures, if any.
[05:29] <JaneW> I'll ask claire to send a few to us after WSIS so we can see exactly what's there etc
[05:29] <jsgotangco> hey JaneW 
[05:29] <JaneW> hey jsgotangco 
[05:30] <highvoltage> JaneW: how's ubuntu-love?
[05:30] <JaneW> highvoltage: great (but I feel awful - laaaate night last night) ;)
[05:31] <highvoltage> how's the cold?
[05:31] <JaneW> highvoltage: still lingering, but much better thanks
[05:31] <sabdfl> JaneW: you are not alone
[05:32] <jsgotangco> it'll be hell for me if i was there for sure (jetlag and cold weather)
[05:32] <highvoltage> hi sabdfl 
[05:32] <sabdfl> hiya
[05:32] <ogra> sabdfl, but you look quite fresh actually :)
[05:33] <jsgotangco> ogra: how was your talk?
[05:33] <ogra> hmm, felt so/so ....
[05:33] <highvoltage> sabdfl: as soon as launchpad is up, i'm going to post my first bounty. then i'll be a small step closer to being like sabdfl :)
[05:34] <ogra> id like to fave been less timid... but i'm working on it... i'm not very used to hold talks ...
[05:34] <jsgotangco> bounty for?
[05:34] <highvoltage> i want to put out a bounty for a change to gnome-panel
[05:34] <JaneW> sabdfl: heh
[05:35] <highvoltage> it bothers me that i can change the background colour, or make it transparent, but i can't change the foreground font colour.
[05:35] <JaneW> highvoltage: lp is up now.
[05:35] <juliux> ogra, hi    on off our professor in dresden will test edubuntu on his server
[05:35] <highvoltage> so i'm going to post a bounty for it :)
[05:35] <ogra> yay
[05:35] <juliux> ogra, he needs a terminal server
[05:35] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: what kind of change?
[05:36] <ogra> juliux, i have several other requests from germany too... from some "Volkshochschulen"
[05:36] <juliux> ogra, is it possible to run edubuntu on sparc ?
[05:36] <juliux> ogra, cool
[05:36] <ogra> juliux, ping fabbione please, i know he built edubuntu packages, but i think the ltsp isnt ready for it yet
[05:37] <juliux> ogra, ok
[05:37] <JaneW> highvoltage: how's the edubuntu art team formation going, have you had much interest and/or actual help yet?
[05:37] <ogra> siretart is here, i'll talk to im about sparc support for ltsp :)
[05:37] <ogra> *him
[05:38] <jsgotangco> i actually have a lot in queue at art.ubuntu.com
[05:39] <ogra> approve it then :)
[05:40] <jsgotangco> i just looked a few minutes ago :)
[05:42] <highvoltage> JaneW: there's lots of interest. i was just thinking of creating the team in launchpad as well.
[05:42] <JaneW> highvoltage: ditto, that's why I asked ;)
[05:43] <highvoltage> my first bounty: https://launchpad.net/bounties/gnome-panel-font-colour
[05:43] <highvoltage> it's small, but i think it's a good start.
[05:43] <JaneW> jsgotangco: did you get admin rights on art.u.c?
[05:43] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:44] <JaneW> jsgotangco: cool
[05:44] <jsgotangco> im looking at the queue now
[05:45] <JaneW> and ogra will be mad :)
[05:46] <ogra> heh
[05:47] <jsgotangco> JaneW: i find the interface strange though, is this made from scratch>
[05:47] <strusberg> Hi, The Latinux team are working in a Metainstaller project (CUIAMA).
[05:47] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yes I thinki hno73 did it all by himself...
[05:48] <JaneW> jsgotangco: he knows it needs work...
[05:48] <strusberg> more information about CUAIMA in our PyCon 2006 proposal 
[05:48] <juliux> ogra, siretart says that ltsp on sparc should possible
[05:48] <jsgotangco> JaneW: I'll give him feedback then :)
[05:48] <strusberg> http://www.python.org.ve/CuaimaPyCon
[05:48] <jsgotangco> the approval process needs work
[05:48] <JaneW> jsgotangco: he has a feedback page, I'll look for it....
[05:48] <ogra> juliux, sure, we just need to write it ;) and i wont have time/hardware to care for sparc
[05:49] <juliux> ogra, hehe i also have no sparc
[05:49] <strusberg> now, we are looking for somebody to make the Edubuntu stage for CUAIMA.
[05:49] <highvoltage> pggg. i keep using wiki markup in launchpad.
[05:51] <jsgotangco> JaneW: it's alright, i work with henrik on accessibility at the moment i'll send him an email later
[05:51] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I can't rem where it is now... 
[05:52] <JaneW> jsgotangco: right, I saw the no hands e-mail challenge ;)
[05:52] <jsgotangco> JaneW: I was thinking of a mix of accessibility and edubuntu...
[05:55] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yes there may be quite a demand for that...
[05:55] <JaneW> jsgotangco: education environments for disabled (is it allowed to say that or is there a better word?) children
[05:57] <jsgotangco> JaneW: the proper term would be accessibility in educational computing environments
[05:58] <ogra> JaneW, handicapped :)
[05:58] <jsgotangco> JaneW: http://www.flickr.com/photos/magicfab/57562207/
[05:59] <JaneW> cringe!
[05:59] <jsgotangco> who is the woman in white?
[06:00] <JaneW> marilize
[06:00] <JaneW> Miss Shipit
[06:00] <jsgotangco> ahhh so that's marilize
[06:00] <JaneW> nod
[06:04] <highvoltage> JaneW: comments? https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-artwork
[06:05] <highvoltage> JaneW: nice edubuntu sticker
[06:05] <highvoltage> i mean, nice Ubuntu sticker :)
[06:05] <JaneW> nice emblem ;)
[06:06] <JaneW> highvoltage: I'll bring one back for you
[06:06] <highvoltage> :)
[06:06] <JaneW> highvoltage: Hilton only gets one when I get my GEEK Freedom League t-shirt ;)
[06:06] <highvoltage> mhuhahahahaha!
[06:07] <JaneW> heh
[06:08] <jsgotangco> wow nice emblem
[06:09] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i will join :) (as admin/approver for art.ubuntu.com)
[06:09] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: thank you :)
[06:09] <highvoltage> 16x16 doesn't give you much to work with
[06:10] <ogra> highvoltage, can you somehow interconnect it to the edubuntu team ?
[06:10] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:10] <jsgotangco> ogra: make it a member of edubuntu?
[06:10] <ogra> is that possible ? 
[06:11] <highvoltage> ogra: yes, i think you need to add it as a member
[06:11] <jsgotangco> but that makes edubuntu-artwork members automatic ubuntu members afaik
[06:11] <jsgotangco> s/ubuntu/edubuntu
[06:11] <highvoltage> it's at "Edit Members" in the menu on the right
[06:11] <ogra> thats fine
[06:11] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i think that would make sense.
[06:12] <yvesC> Running aclocal-1.7...
[06:12] <yvesC> aclocal: configure.in: 62: macro `AM_PATH_SDL' not found in library
[06:12] <yvesC> sorry
[06:12] <highvoltage> you can get a general idea of how many people are working on edubuntu from the top level page, and then click on the team pages to see who's interested in which area.
[06:13] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: edubuntu-art is an open team though...
[06:13] <ogra> oh, ok...
[06:14] <ogra> then its probably better to just put a link to the edubuntu team there
[06:14] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: do you think i should make it a moderated team?
[06:15] <highvoltage> i couldn't really think of a reason it should be moderated.
[06:15] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: ok, i see what you mean, i'll make it moderated.
[06:16] <ogra> highvoltage, why ? 
[06:17] <ogra> its fine for an artwork team to be open
[06:17] <ogra> you can always throw our people as admin
[06:17] <ogra> *out
[06:17] <highvoltage> true.
[06:18] <highvoltage> i'm leaving it open then. jsgotangco: as ogra said, we can always kick someone if they misbehave
[06:18] <jsgotangco> yep
[06:18] <jsgotangco> its ok
[06:19] <ogra> just make a link to edubuntu "if you want a member of the edubuntu/edubuntu development team, klick here" ...
[06:19] <highvoltage> ogra: i don't think i'm understanding you?
[06:19] <highvoltage> oh, contact details?
[06:20] <ogra> yes, a link to https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu/+join
[06:20] <ogra> to encourage eople to join the edubuntu team too
[06:21] <highvoltage> ok
[06:34] <bluefrog-10> I need someone who installed apt-proxy on Breezy and successfully imported its /var/cache/apt/archives pls
[06:38] <highvoltage> bluefrog-10: after your question this afternoon, i tried it too, i get the same error, no suitable back-end found.
[06:38] <JaneW> http://www.flickr.com/groups/36521969913@N01/  <- scary!
[06:38] <highvoltage> then again, this was the first time i installed apt-proxy, we might be making the same mistakes.
[06:39] <bluefrog-10> highvoltage, i think i know why
[06:39] <bluefrog-10> but as am no programmer or dev am not sure
[06:39] <highvoltage> JaneW: where are you?
[06:39] <bluefrog-10> there is no tree in /var/cache/archives, just plain .deb
[06:41] <JaneW> highvoltage: downstairs ball room, in Holiday In Select, Montreal, Canada, Earth, Solar System etc
[06:42] <highvoltage> JaneW: no, i mean, where's your photo in that gallery? :)
[06:42] <ajmitch_> listening to jdub, probably :)
[06:44] <mhz> re
[06:45] <mhz> any news for edubuntu from Montreal?
[06:45] <mhz> ogra: Juan Carlos Inostroza is the #1 candidate to sign my key ID
[06:46] <mhz> I hope we'll meet this week
[06:48] <jsgotangco> oh he just spoke about edubuntu...
[06:48] <mhz> JaneW: any news regarding funds? Could we use the funds to ship only 200 CD's per counry (this 1st time) and use some of the moeny to get T-Shirts and mugs?
[06:49] <mhz> jsgotangco: ok, i'll try to red back logs
[06:49] <mhz> red =read
[06:50] <JaneW> highvoltage: OMG NO!
[06:50] <mhz> JaneW: Could we have one you (edubuntu core team) guys cming to Chile for the Edubuntu Chilean Tour (we're trying to get funds to do it in December b4 christmas)
[06:51] <mhz> The second event should take place in February (after 15th)
[06:51] <JaneW> mhz: just listening to a talk atm...
[06:51] <mhz> talk?
[06:51] <mhz> ohhh, you're in a talk?
[06:52] <mhz> sorry
[06:54] <highvoltage> JaneW: i'm going to send an invite to the ubuntu-art mailing list to join edubuntu-art on launchpad
[06:55] <highvoltage> JaneW: and also to edubuntu-devel to join edubuntu-art and edubuntu-www
[06:58] <jsgotangco> mhz: i'd love to go to chile anytime heh
[07:00] <mhz> cool
[07:01] <mhz> unfortunately, we're still in the process of getting funds to do it. Remember Tecnocimiento is a group of volunteers for IT on Edu. who believe we gan make some money out of it but whose motivation is to solve current education needs here.
[07:02] <mhz> gan = can
[07:03] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:03] <sven-tek> ogra, hi - iam happy you want to join out event in essen. whats your email?
[07:03] <sven-tek> our
[07:06] <mhz> jsgotangco: have you ever tried 'ghemical'??
[07:06] <mhz> jsgotangco: have you ever tried 'exelearning'??
[07:06] <jsgotangco> mmm?
[07:06] <highvoltage> yummy
[07:06] <jsgotangco> no
[07:06] <mhz> the latter helps you create moodle material and sync it afterwards
[07:07] <mhz> highvoltage: you in montreal too?
[07:08] <mhz> so far, after 2 Edubuntu talks, 1 teacher and 2 students have asked me to include ghemical in next release
[07:08] <highvoltage> mhz: no. i wish i was though.
[07:08] <jsgotangco> well you can make a MainInclusionReport for it 
[07:09] <jsgotangco> Description: A GNOME molecular modelling environment
[07:09] <jsgotangco>  Ghemical is a computational chemistry software package written in C++.
[07:09] <jsgotangco>  It has a graphical user interface and it supports both quantum-
[07:09] <jsgotangco>  mechanics (semi-empirical) models and molecular mechanics models.
[07:09] <jsgotangco>  Geometry optimization, molecular dynamics and a large set of
[07:09] <jsgotangco>  visualization tools using OpenGL are currently available.
[07:09] <jsgotangco> visualization...interesting...
[07:11] <mhz> jsgotangco: i already installed it but I am too ignorant to clearly understand ho to use it
[07:11] <mhz> :D
[07:12] <jsgotangco> well clearly its an advanced chemistry app
[07:12] <jsgotangco> its no katomic
[07:12] <jsgotangco> heheh
[07:13] <pitux> will be think include packages for interactive geometry how to: drgeo, geogebra
[07:13] <mhz> ya, but only using the first icon on the left (pencil) and drawing with the mouse it showed very nice line which I could turn it in 3D
[07:13] <pitux> kig is more basic
[07:14] <mhz> pitux: I agree
[07:16] <jsgotangco> brb
[07:16] <mhz> jsgotangco: pitux is one of the students (to become math teacher) who has been working a chilean project called Free Maths na is now testing edubuntu
[07:17] <mhz> pitux: ya tenia instalado the language support me habis mencionado
[07:17] <mhz> solo que no habia iniciado KDE y especificado que lo usara :)
[07:17] <mhz> tonto yo!
[07:17] <pitux> mhz kstars is in spanish in my computer with language package
[07:18] <mhz> pitux: habias usado ghemical?
[07:18] <mhz> exactly
[07:18] <mhz> ese es mi punto
[07:18] <pitux> no
[07:18] <mhz> yo no habia iniciado KDE noi habia seteado el lenguaje x defecto
[07:18] <pitux> ah
[07:20] <mhz> y como por omision uso Ingles al instalar todos mis sistemas, castellano no habia sido seteado en KDE pero si en GNOME pues desde ahi habia instalado el soporte ES
[07:22] <pitux> ah ok
[07:22] <mhz> ahora, solo la calculadora funciona en ingles
[07:22] <pitux> lo que yo le eche de menos a edubuntu
[07:23] <mhz> si?
[07:23] <highvoltage> non comprehende
[07:23] <pitux> es un menu mejor clasificado
[07:23] <mhz> highvoltage: oh, sorry.
[07:23] <mhz> highvoltage: does it boher you?
[07:23] <mhz> boher = bother
[07:24] <highvoltage> mhz: no :)
[07:24] <mhz> thx
[07:24] <pitux> look pequelin the distro for education based in debian for latinoamerica
[07:24] <mhz> I trie pequelin once
[07:24] <pitux> the menu is excellent 
[07:24] <mhz> or twice, very nice distro for kids
[07:24] <mhz> ohh, do they use GNOME, peuq
[07:24] <mhz> ohh, do they use GNOME, pitux
[07:24] <mhz> ?
[07:24] <pitux> menu for aplications for students of primary and secundary, menu for teachers
[07:25] <pitux> pequelin use gnome
[07:25] <mhz> pitux: so, you mean we need a 'categorized' menu?
[07:25] <mhz> if that's so, we all agre
[07:25] <pitux> in spanish please 
[07:26] <mhz> i am sure. the 2006 april version will include many improvements.
[07:26] <pitux> ok
[07:26] <mhz> pitux: creo que todos estamos de acuerdo en que un menu x categorias seria mas util
[07:26] <pitux> ahhhhh cool
[07:27] <mhz> highvoltage: do you recall how long did 5.10 (edubuntu part) take to be ready for release?
[07:28] <highvoltage> mhz: what do you mean?
[07:28] <highvoltage> how long it took to make edubuntu?
[07:28] <mhz> yes
[07:28] <highvoltage> matt did the ltsp part, ogra did the rest.
[07:28] <highvoltage> i think it took them ~6 months
[07:28] <mhz> highvoltage: sorry, too many days speaking and writing 90% spanish :)
[07:28] <highvoltage> it was a lot of work, being the first release.
[07:28] <pitux> voy y vuelvo
[07:28] <mhz> pitux: ok
[07:29] <mhz> pitux: usas Xchat?
[07:29] <pitux> yeah
[07:29] <highvoltage> that, and the ubuntu work that was done the year before, and the 10 years of debian before that, and the gnu work that started a few decades ago...
[07:29] <highvoltage> if you add it together, edubuntu took a few decades to make :)
[07:29] <mhz> pitux: brb = vuelvo en seguida
[07:29] <highvoltage> mhz: it's ok. i want to learn spanish :)
[07:29] <mhz> pitux: /nick pitux_brb te dara un nick "autoexplicativo" :)
[07:30] <strusberg> mhz, pitux: Maybe we can open edubuntu-es channel in Freenode. What do you think about this?
[07:31] <mhz> strusberg: yes, we have not had that yet because we need more edubuntu latin people. However, i'm in the process of becoming ubuntu memeber.
[07:32] <mhz> strusberg: the idea is we endup having an officialy recognized channel and not the unofficial edubuntu-la channel :)
[07:32] <strusberg> mhz: Perfect!. I can help you in Venezuela
[07:32] <mhz> cool!
[07:32] <pitux> welcome
[07:32] <pitux> strusberg
[07:32] <mhz> strusberg: do you know of any other spanish peakers here?
[07:32] <pitux> i want learn english
[07:32] <mhz> speaker
[07:32] <mhz> pitux: so you should definately stay here
[07:33] <mhz> or stikc around
[07:33] <mhz> stick
[07:33] <mhz> highvoltage: thx for understanding
[07:33] <mhz> and supporting
[07:33] <strusberg> mhz: Sure!. I know many spanish spekars people that use Ubuntu
[07:34] <highvoltage> i think i'll join ubuntu-es for a while, maybe i'll pick something up <g>
[07:34] <mhz> strusberg: but Edubuntu?
[07:34] <strusberg> mhz: In fact I am conference coordinator for the III world forum of Free Technologies this year in Venezuela
[07:35] <strusberg> mhz: Sure! Edubuntu too!
[07:35] <mhz> strusberg: cool! I am organizing the Edubuntu Chilena Tour here.
[07:35] <mhz> Chilean
[07:36] <strusberg> Yes. I see in the log of this irc.
[07:36] <mhz> strusberg: and pitux is one of the leaders of www.matematicaslibre.cl
[07:37] <mhz> strusberg: so maybe we could work lot closer
[07:37] <mhz> strusberg: please visit www.tecnocimiento.cl and tell me what you think about the projects we are trying to keep going
[07:38] <strusberg> mhz: Of course. Do you have free time on Nov 23th - 26th?
[07:39] <mhz> sure! free technologies is what i work for (mon-sunday)
[07:39] <strusberg> pitux: Same question for you.
[07:39] <mhz> :-p
[07:39] <pitux> mmmmmm
[07:40] <pitux> november 23th pearl jam arrive to Chile
[07:40] <mhz> lol!
[07:41] <mhz> strusberg: i am fan of good music but Free as in freedom TIC-Edu is much more important :D
[07:41] <pitux> but the ticket is buy 
[07:42] <strusberg> mhz: Yes.Please visit www.tecnologialibre.org
[07:42] <mhz> pitux: your choice
[07:42] <mhz> :)
[07:43] <pitux> travel to venezuela
[07:43] <strusberg> mhz,pitux: Guaoo!!. We are walking the same route!
[07:44] <pitux> excellent strusberg
[07:44] <strusberg> I am educator, teaching in Simon Bolivar University and ISEIT (www.iseit.com.ve)
[07:45] <mhz> educool
[07:45] <pitux> cool
[07:45] <strusberg> mhz: And I work with Python too!, for example I have one entry level prog course in Python
[07:46] <pitux> ahhhh cool i use python for programming numerical methods
[07:46] <mhz> python rock!
[07:46] <mhz> python rocks!
[07:47] <strusberg> Yes!, Python rocks!
[07:47] <strusberg> :-)
[07:47] <strusberg> We can support edubuntu project.
[07:47] <mhz> highvoltage: i would say edubuntu was done in less than 6 months
[07:47] <strusberg> For example we have one MetaInstaller (now working in Ubuntu)
[07:48] <mhz> we?what you mean?
[07:48] <strusberg> mhz,pitux: You, us, latinux team ;-)
[07:49] <pitux> cool
[07:49] <strusberg> mhz: Visit cuaima.latinux.org
[07:49] <pitux> to work now
[07:49] <mhz> oooh, yes!
[07:50] <highvoltage> mhz: yes, i would agree with you there. it depends how you look at it.
[07:50] <mhz> hehehe
[07:51] <strusberg> count me. 
[07:51] <mhz> strusberg: ?
[07:51] <mhz> strusberg: that meta installer looks very useful
[07:52] <mhz> esp. for non geeks
[07:52] <strusberg> Exactly
[07:52] <mhz> however, it seems to me that APT and TFTPboot would do the trick in a lot less beautiful way, though
[07:53] <mhz> anyways, i'm still reaqding about it
[07:53] <highvoltage> which meta-installer?
[07:54] <mhz>  highvoltage cuaima.latinux.org
[07:54] <strusberg> highvoltage: CUAIMA (cuaima.latinux.org)
[07:54] <highvoltage> gracas
[07:55] <strusberg> English info about CUAIMA in http://www.python.org.ve/CuaimaPyCon
[07:56] <mhz> strusberg: track is very useful
[07:56] <mhz> :)
[07:56] <strusberg> mhz: Yehh
[07:56] <strusberg> Mhz: I love trac.
[07:57] <mhz> however i try to use Moin for 99% of mi stuff
[07:57] <highvoltage> mhz: how does it work? does it tar up your distro and untar it again at another end and re-installs grub?
[07:57] <strusberg> Mhz: Yes my team use MoinMoin for the Venezuelan Python website
[07:57] <mhz> highvoltage: strusberg is the man to tell you about cuaima
[07:58] <mhz> highvoltage: some screenshot summary http://www2.latinux.org/tiki-browse_gallery.php?galleryId=8
[07:59] <highvoltage> i thought of starting a cgi installer too once.
[07:59] <mhz> once, only?
[08:00] <highvoltage> here's one of the half-completed xul sheets i was thinking of using: http://jonathancarter.ossn.co.za/projects/tust/opts.xul
[08:00] <strusberg> highvoltage: Join to our team
[08:00] <highvoltage> mhz: no, i'm lying, probably more than that ;)
[08:00] <mhz> hehehe, i bet
[08:01] <highvoltage> strusberg: in all honesty, i'd love to, but i am so overcommitted at this stage you wouldn't believe it
[08:01] <highvoltage> strusberg: where's your mailing lists? i'll join it and follow what's going on, it might even be a good place to practice spanish
[08:01] <mhz> highvoltage: nice xul
[08:02] <strusberg> highvoltage: No problem. Your comments are welcome any time.
[08:02] <highvoltage> if i find somewhere where i can contribute. this december i'm taking leave so i'll have some time to poke around at things.
[08:02] <strusberg> Sure!. Now is in pyve@python.org.ve.
[08:02] <highvoltage> is that the mailinst list address?
[08:02] <strusberg> highvoltage: Yes.
[08:03] <mhz> strusberg: do you use xchat?
[08:04] <highvoltage> i sent an email there, so it will probably send me an email back with some help.
[08:04] <strusberg> mhz: I have your e-mail from your website. I am sending a e-mail this night about the conference
[08:04] <mhz> oh, k
[08:04] <mhz> thx
[08:04] <strusberg> Now, i am using konversation. But I prefer xchat
[08:06] <highvoltage> xchat and irssi are my favourite. both of them work just the way i expect them to.
[08:06] <mhz> indeed
[08:06] <strusberg> highvoltage: We use Mailman please, visit http://python.org.ve/mailman/listinfo/
[08:07] <mhz> however before i learn more command line apps. I would still prefer to get proficiency in Emacs :D
[08:07] <strusberg> mhz: Upps. I prefer vi .
[08:07] <highvoltage> all you need to know is vim :)
[08:07] <highvoltage> strusberg: ^5
[08:08] <mhz> strusberg: you said you use Moin. Well, i am the transaltor of Moin es.po file. so if you have complains please let me know so i can correct misinterpretations
[08:09] <mhz> strusberg: sure vi / vim is good
[08:09] <highvoltage> i use apps in english 100% of the time. using software in Afrikaans just confuses me :P
[08:09] <mhz> however, emacs is more than an editor...it's a challenge
[08:10] <mhz> :D
[08:10] <mhz> highvoltage: actually, last talk of edubuntu, i was so lost because i was demoing in spanish :D
[08:10] <strusberg> :D
[08:12] <highvoltage> yeah. i do all my talks in english, otherwise i get stuck on what the proper word is for all the terms in my own language.
[08:13] <mhz> guys, i gotta do some laundry and dish-washing, otherwise, my wife will kick my chilean butt (as i work as 'volunteer' most of the weekdays, i make much less money than her, so I must take care of the boring house stuff)
[08:13] <arkan0x> mhz probaste la resolucion de la vga externa >?
[08:13] <mhz> arkan0x: no aun
[08:13] <mhz> cual vga externa, a proposito?
[08:13] <strusberg> mhz: In Venezuela that is the name for CUAIMA!
[08:13] <arkan0x> mhz, tb podrias hacer resolucion 1024x768 virtual
[08:13] <arkan0x> mhz, la vga del laptop , externa
[08:13] <mhz> arkan0x: nop
[08:13] <mhz> strusberg: what you mean?
[08:14] <strusberg> CUAIMA is a joke name for our wife or girlfriend
[08:14] <mhz> lol
[08:14] <mhz> heheheehhehe
[08:14] <mhz> .oO(estos venezolanos estan "majaretas" :D  )
[08:14] <strusberg> CUAIMA is a very dangerous sneak here
[08:14] <mhz> that's why it sounded so familiar
[08:15] <mhz> arkan0x: virtual?
[08:15] <strusberg> mhz: sneak=snake
[08:16] <strusberg> My CUIAMA ;-), call me to help her with the lunch...
[08:17] <arkan0x> sip , osea resolucion a 1024x768 , pero tu mueves el mouse y la pantalla se mueve para lograr esa resolucion
[08:35] <pitux> cool arkan0x
[08:35] <arkan0x> wuena pitux !
[08:35] <pitux> hello
[08:37] <highvoltage> edoo: goodnight
[08:37] <edoo> goodnight, highvoltage. I'll keep an eye out for the MS spies while you sleep.
[08:38] <highvoltage> goodnight, #edubuntu.
[08:38] <JaneW> night
[08:40] <JaneW> mhz: I think it's been finally decided to not press edubuntu CDs right now... the expense is quite high for the small volumes we are looking at, and the value is debatable
[08:40] <JaneW> we have decided to rather wait till edubuntu 6.04 for this
[08:45] <juliux> JaneW, it is possible to get support for burning them ourselfe on fairs?
[08:46] <JaneW> ogra may have someone who will press for around 1Euro, plus P&P, tis still needs to be approved and arranged though...
[08:46] <JaneW> mhz: the conf has just started today, and today is the 'love-day' so no specs are defined yet...
[08:47] <JaneW> juliux: we have not been given access to ANY funds to date, but as edubuntu gorws and gets more attention I am sure we can justify asking for some, right now I doubt we'll get much support to be honest... ogra: what do you think?
[08:48] <juliux> JaneW, are there cdcover images ? or a little flyer who we can print?
[08:48] <juliux> JaneW, we plan to buy a cd/dvd burner in germany which burns logos like this http://www.iso4you.de/infos/ls-muster1-gr.jpg on the cd/dvds
[08:49] <pitux> bye friends
[08:49] <juliux> bye pitux 
[08:51] <ogra> juliux, its on the wiki
[08:51] <ogra> (the cover etc)
[08:51] <juliux> ogra, but you can use it with slimcases
[08:52] <juliux> ogra, i have teste it
[08:52] <juliux> ogra, an slimcase are very cheap
[08:55] <juliux> a blank cd in a slimcase only cost 40cent
[08:55] <ogra> yup...
[08:55] <ogra> sorry, have a edubuntu/ltsp presentation now, have to reboot...
[08:56] <juliux> and you can buy them in every supermarket
[08:56] <juliux> ogra, ok have fun
[08:59] <JaneW> juliux: mhz was designing packaging...http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdAndSlip
[09:00] <JaneW> juliux: I can e-mail you a flyer, what's your address?
[09:00] <JaneW> argh my wi-fi link here is very tenuous...
[09:00] <juliux> juliux@ubunut-de.org
[09:00] <JaneW> argh my wi-fi link here is very tenuous...
[09:00] <juliux> juliux@ubuntu-de.org
[09:00] <juliux> sorry
[09:03] <JaneW> ok will send to you now...
[09:03] <juliux> thxs
[09:04] <juliux> i also have orderd conferen pakages but i didn't get any answer
[09:04] <juliux> is this normal? sorry that i ask
[09:07] <JaneW> I am in a talk about that now...
[09:07] <JaneW> what address did you send to?
[09:07] <JaneW> I think there is a huge demand for this kind of thing
[09:07] <JaneW> and the process is only just getting organised now
[09:08] <juliux> i send it at info@shipit.ubuntu.com
[09:09] <juliux> i send it on 19  oct
[09:13] <JaneW> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences
[09:14] <JaneW> juliux: try again, it mught be better now that we have a dedicated shipit administrator (and a new system)
[09:14] <juliux> JaneW, ok i will do
[09:17] <juliux> JaneW, done
[10:09] <bdoin> I have a contrib proposal for translating gcompris in afrikaan but can't find the locale code
[10:12] <JaneW> bdoin: in rosetta?
[10:13] <JaneW> no, I guess not... it's not in rosetta yet is it?
[10:13] <bdoin> no specificaly but I also been contacted to include gcompris in rosetta. I don't know yet if it's good for gcompris to be in rosetta and in gnome. not sure I can manage that
[10:15] <bdoin> found it, it's af for afrikaan
[10:48] <bluefrog-10> who has installed breezy directly from hard disk and could give me help, pls?
[11:22] <bluefrog-10> solved problem. not documented is the fact that you need a special kernel to boot from HDD, apparently this kernel is not on the downloadable cd