[12:03] <lunitik> _justin: I think its just 'transcode' but yeah.... double check
[12:04] <_justin> Which binary?  It installs a dozen.
[12:04] <lunitik> _justin: any mentioning 'transcode' or 'transset' etc?
[12:04] <_justin> there's a transcode.
[12:04] <_justin> Hm, just running the DVD doesn't work.  
[12:04] <lunitik> _justin: run that
[12:05] <lunitik> _justin: it wouldn't, dvd's have different encodings depending on area of the world they are from...
[12:05] <lunitik> _justin: hence you need to configure which its to use
[12:05] <_justin> It can't auto-detect?  I thought linux-based players ignored the region code.
[12:06] <lunitik> _justin: it probably should... and if it were an officially supported package, it likely would.... but no
[12:06] <strike4ce> what si the force command?
[12:06] <_moohaad> sudo not work
[12:06] <strike4ce> is
[12:07] <lunitik> strike4ce: what exactly do you want to force... and why?
[12:07] <lunitik> strike4ce: dpkg --force-help
[12:08] <_justin> Hm.  transcode has about 30 config options, most of which i don't understand...
[12:08] <strike4ce> someone wants to force the xorg-fglrx-driver over the official ATI driver
[12:08] <strike4ce> dpkg --force-help
[12:08] <lunitik> _justin: have you ran 'transcode' yet? you just need to change region settings  :/
[12:09] <lunitik> _justin: I seem to remember it asking all of like 5 questions  :/
[12:09] <strike4ce> lunitik:  someone wants to force the xorg-fglrx-driver over the official ATI driver
[12:09] <_justin> Just running transcode tells me to run with -h, which offers several dozen switches.
[12:10] <lunitik> strike4ce: eh... just remove fglrx or whatever  :/
[12:10] <Hentai-sama> i have a couple of discs (that i know of) that dont mount on kubuntu, but i can read them in xp with no problems
[12:10] <Hentai-sama> suggestions
[12:11] <lunitik> Hentai-sama: kick it?
[12:11] <strike4ce> lunitik: I dont need to, but I already know that when you remove or try to remove the official ATI driver from ati it causes problems
[12:11] <eric_> Can someone help me with a compile error?
[12:12] <lunitik> strike4ce: you can just change the driver... but I dunno what you put as driver to go with the open source version...
[12:13] <strike4ce> lunitik: its from ATI rpm file
[12:13] <lunitik> strike4ce: I think just 'Driver "ATI"'
[12:13] <strike4ce> xorg 6.8......
[12:14] <lunitik> strike4ce: neither of those things matter  :/
[12:14] <lunitik> Although why you're using an RPM I have no idea  :/
[12:16] <strike4ce> lunitik im not using it but it can be easily converted by alien
[12:16] <_justin> lunitik: running 'transcode' doesn't ask me anything.  It just gives me the about lines.
[12:16] <lunitik> strike4ce: alien just edits the scripts involved... files are still placed as determined by the rpm...
[12:18] <strike4ce> lunitik:  yea, but thats not what Im talking about.  He is trying to uninstall the Official ATI driver from the ATI website set up for linnux.  It gets buggy when you uninstall it
[12:19] <lunitik> strike4ce: just change the damn driver setting  :/
[12:19] <lunitik> strike4ce: I think just 'ati'  :/
[12:19] <strike4ce> lunitik: I have the xorg package.
[12:19] <lunitik> strike4ce: who cares?
[12:19] <lunitik> strike4ce: sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf   :/
[12:20] <strike4ce> lunitik:  LOL you;re real helpful
[12:21] <lunitik> strike4ce: sorry, I'm not as used to helping people not familier with the system as I used to be   :/
[12:22] <strike4ce> lunitik: no problem, Im not that familiar either
[12:35] <slow-motion> n8
[12:37] <dm> For the LIFE of me i cant get my wireless working, i have ndiswrapper installed, and it works, but anytime i have a WEP key on my router, my wifi card wont enable
[12:39] <Juerd> dm: Catchphrases don't help
[12:39] <Juerd> dm: What's your definition of "enable"?
[12:40] <dm> juerd in network settings, when i hit the button Enable interface, the wireless card enables for 1 second then stays disabled
[12:40] <Juerd> dm: Interesting. Do you know how to use a terminal?
[12:40] <dm> juerd yeah... 
[12:41] <Juerd> dm: What is the output of "sudo iwconfig"?
[12:41] <Juerd> dm: Paste using a paste site, or in the #flood channel
[12:42] <dm> juerd i was just going to paste it in pastebin
[12:43] <dm> juerd its in flood
[12:44] <Juerd> dm: I'll continue to help you there, to avoid having to switch all the time
[12:44] <dm> juerd okie
[01:05] <flixor> hya everybody 
[01:06] <dm> Is it at all possible that my Ubuntu installation is corrupt ?? my wireless is screwed up back i cant get it to work no matter who helps me
[01:19] <Blissex> dm: wireless is annoying, and using 'ndiswrapper' as you probably are, is unreliable.
[01:23] <_liquidbinary_> hi!
[01:26] <kairu0> hey all
[01:27] <tarheelcoxn> kairu0: greetings
[01:27] <kairu0> hey tarheel
[01:28] <kairu0> i'm loving my new kde setup
[01:28] <kairu0> but i'm not deleting my xubuntu partition yet ;)
[01:30] <tarheelcoxn> :)
[01:43] <c0rrupt> que pasa hombre
[01:44] <chx> i am stupid but how can install/start ssh daemon?
[01:44] <fatejudger> it should already be installed
[01:44] <fatejudger> unless they took that out in Breezy
[01:44] <moj0rising> to install: sudo apt-get update
[01:44] <chx> i bet it's on
[01:44] <moj0rising> to install: sudo apt-get install ssh
[01:44] <moj0rising> hm. not sure about package name actually.
[01:45] <chx> that's my problem too
[01:45] <fatejudger> just go into apt and search for it
[01:45] <fatejudger> if it's installed, then it's installed
[01:45] <fatejudger> if not, you can instal lit
[01:45] <moj0rising> check by using synaptic.
[01:45] <fatejudger> *install it
[01:45] <fatejudger> adept
[01:45] <fatejudger> if you have Breezy
[01:45] <chx> there is no *ssh* in /etc/init.d
[01:45] <chx> yes i have breezy
[01:45] <moj0rising> ah. yeah. 
[01:46] <fatejudger> chx: go into adept and search for SSH
[01:47] <jsubl2> sudo apt-cache search openssh
[01:47] <tarheelcoxn> chx: it's not in by default
[01:47] <tarheelcoxn> I discovered that last night
[01:47] <tarheelcoxn> the packagename is openssh-server
[01:47] <moj0rising> you can install rcconf for an easy way to start/ stop services at boot.
[01:49] <c0rrupt> how is everyone likeing breezy?.. worth upgrading?
[01:49] <crimsun> it's horrible, use MS-DOS 3.3
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[01:50] <at1as> I like breezy, but it's been a mixed bag.
[01:50] <tarheelcoxn> lol
[01:50] <at1as> the kernel seems to have gone through some serious changes.
[01:50] <tarheelcoxn> c0rrupt: better kernel, better... just better
[01:51] <at1as> The Cisco VPN client I use likes to completely crash the system if my wireless NIC loses signal for a moment.
[01:51] <at1as> VMware needs some workarounds to work right.
[01:51] <chx> openssh-server?
[01:52] <chx> thanks
[01:52] <at1as> The Kontact IMAP GroupWare stuff works now.
[01:52] <tarheelcoxn> that was an interesting parting shot
[01:52] <at1as> Moving mail with a "M" opens the folder dialog.... but typing the folder name doesn't work.
[01:53] <at1as> KDE now automounts media when it's connect.  Pretty nice feature unless you use it on your forensics workstation... :\
[01:53] <fatejudger> at1as: it always did that
[01:54] <fatejudger> at1as: well, it did it on Hoary
[01:54] <Riddell> fatejudger: hoary didn't automount, you had to find it in media:/ and mount
[01:54] <Riddell> at1as: why don't you want it on your foresnsics wokstation?
[01:54] <kairu0> i ran kcontrol once and now i cant get my desktop up (it loads an empty gray panel and no desktop). how can i recover?
[01:55] <Riddell> kairu0: try looking in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[01:57] <kairu0> Riddell, what should i look for in it?
[01:58] <kairu0> Riddell, what about "Cannot create /dev/X"
[01:58] <at1as> riddell: Because attaching a drive to take an image of it should *not* mount it, otherwise crucial time stamps can be lost.
[01:58] <fatejudger> Riddell: it would always automount my cdroms
[02:01] <Riddell> fatejudger: spooky :)
[02:01] <Riddell> at1as: kill ivman to stop it
[02:02] <Riddell> at1as: KDE 3.5 will have more friendly wys to configure it
[02:02] <Riddell> kairu0: that seems a possibility
[02:03] <chx> how can i find all files in a dir and subdir that is not named foo? even, if it does not start with f, it's fine. find . -regex ... but how i go on?
[02:04] <javb> where can i find a tool under KDE Kubuntu to use the "keys combinations" under  GNOME Ubuntu
[02:05] <javb> ....?
[02:06] <tarheelcoxn> javb: I've tried to figure that out
[02:06] <tarheelcoxn> you might want to ask some KDE people
[02:06] <tarheelcoxn> ie. in a different channel
[02:08] <tarheelcoxn> be aware that some of them are already assigned to other things
[02:16] <moj0rising> chx, try man find
[02:22] <at1as> Riddell:  I actually just removed the user from the plugdev group for a short-term fix.  Can I get away with renaming ivman so it doesn't start?
[02:23] <at1as> Don't get me wrong about Breezy.  I love it.  There are just a few annoyances.
[02:23] <Riddell> at1as: edit startkde
[02:24] <at1as> I run kdm, will that still make a diff?
[02:24] <Riddell> yes, kdm calls startkde
[02:24] <at1as> What I *love* is that they fixed it so you can install on MD devices like software-raid1 and LVM.
[02:25] <Riddell> MD?
[02:26] <skwashd> hi all
[02:26] <Riddell> hi skwashd 
[02:26] <skwashd> hi Riddell 
[02:26] <skwashd> should the breezy version of kdepim be groupdav enabled ?
[02:27] <skwashd> kdepim 3.4 supports it ... but i can't seem to find the options in the breezy version :(
[02:27] <Knowerrors> anybody here use this? http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf
[02:30] <skwashd> Knowerrors: looks similar to the mirrormax.net repositories
[02:30] <skwashd> which i use for some stuff i need ... and the stuff there seems to work pretty well
[02:31] <Knowerrors> just wonder if thats a better place to get extras than nerim malrat
[02:31] <Knowerrors> need a good place to get my w32codecs and such
[02:32] <skwashd> Knowerrors: use mirrormax.net then
[02:32] <skwashd> repos are listed in ubuntuguide.org
[02:33] <Riddell> Knowerrors: PLF should be in the future, currently marillat
[02:33] <jsubl2> Knowerrors: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:34] <Riddell> plf only has very few packages currently as far as I can see
[02:34] <jsubl2> wget http://www.giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
[02:34] <Knowerrors> so is marillat better or mirrormax?
[02:36] <skwashd> Knowerrors: last i checked marillat didn't go so well with ubuntu ... as it is designed for debian sarge
[02:36] <skwashd> thats when i switched to mirrormax
[02:39] <Knowerrors> so jsubl2 : why use that giannaros file instead of mirrormax, or are they both good?
[02:41] <jsubl2> Knowerrors: it is the one from the wiki link
[02:42] <jsubl2> Knowerrors: you should check the wiki for some of your questions.. the documentation tends to be real good there
[02:43] <skwashd> ubuntuguide.org is pretty good for finding out which packages are good for what too ... even tho it is more gnome targetted 
[02:43] <jsubl2> ubuntuguide is out of date and lacks explanations
[02:43] <poimen> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[02:43] <poimen> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[02:43] <poimen> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[02:43] <poimen> what the heck I am using kubuntu
[02:43] <poimen> :( what can I do?
[02:43] <poimen> ./configure what??
[02:44] <skwashd> jsubl2: not much ... but i suppose i know which bits to ignore/change
[02:47] <Knowerrors> thx jsubl2 and skwashd , will do some reading...
[02:48] <skwashd> Knowerrors: np ... and good luck getting things working as you want them to work
[02:48] <Knowerrors> btw, is this line ready to add yet "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse"
[02:48] <Knowerrors> saw that in sources.list
[02:48] <skwashd> Knowerrors: should be
[02:49] <jsubl2> i don't think backports is up yet
[02:51] <Knowerrors> someone I talked to said it can be activated now, but the line needs a small change, forget what it was
[02:51] <poimen> someone kwons if k9copy have been ported to .deb ????
[02:51] <`Nomad> Is there a recommended TV app?  Or at least a better one?
[02:52] <drolyk> tvtime
[02:52] <Knowerrors> xawtv
[02:53] <_carlos> Buenas Noches
[02:53] <Knowerrors> Ive tried both, like xawtv because it uses less cpu power
[02:53] <`Nomad> ok
[02:53] <`Nomad> will test both :)
[02:53] <drolyk> I want to ask why mencoder depends on xmms ?
[02:55] <jsubl2> it has xxms input plugin support built in
[02:55] <jsubl2> xxms/xmms
[02:55] <chi> iisn't there a configure switch to turn it off?
[02:55] <jsubl2> yes if you roll your own
[02:56] <drolyk> I realy doesn`t want xmms
[02:56] <drolyk> :(
[02:56] <jsubl2> it is easier to take xmms than to get all the depends and source and build
[02:57] <dm> Hey guys , when the OS is loading how do i get kubuntu with blue text instead of  Ubuntu with all that brown text to show up
[02:58] <dm> anyone?
[02:58] <jsubl2> http://kubuntu.org/faq.php#installfromubuntu
[02:59] <drolyk> jsubl2: Is there any apt-source where I can get ktorrent-1.1 ?
[02:59] <dm> jsubl2 no no i have KDE installed, i want it so that when i turn on my comp and select ubuntu from GRUB that blue text and kubuntu show up , not ubuntu and it being all brown
[02:00] <dm> jsubl2 its a wierd request but i had it on my last installation
[02:00] <jsubl2> kubuntu splash
[02:01] <jsubl2> or kdm
[02:01] <at1as> One nice thing about using Breezy, I was able to find transcode again (it disappeared from Hoary's backports/extras repos)
[02:01] <jsubl2> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[02:02] <jsubl2> and select kdm...
[02:02] <dm> jsubl2 that part works, but before that.. where it lists all its loading..
[02:02] <jsubl2> the splash... yeah i would like to know that too
[02:08] <dm> jpatrick you still there?
[02:10] <Knowerrors> anyone know if breezy extas repos are up?
[02:12] <tarheelcoxn> Knowerrors: you mean the backports?
[02:13] <dm> Hey guys , when the OS is loading how do i get kubuntu with blue text instead of  Ubuntu with all that brown text to show up
[02:13] <Knowerrors> tarheelcoxn: I suspose
[02:15] <dm> anyone know how to change the background color of Konsole, that black is annoying!
[02:16] <oggb4mp3> Hi
[02:16] <soundmaster80> hi, i would like to know how to make moving the windows between dual monitors more like windows...this is the only thing i lack in completely changing
[02:16] <oggb4mp3> you want xinerama
[02:16] <Knowerrors> settings>schema
[02:16] <soundmaster80> well, i have twinview setup with nvidia
[02:16] <oggb4mp3> me too
[02:16] <oggb4mp3> works great
[02:17] <_carlos_venezuel> changing the konsole bckgnd color: go to preferencias->esquema
[02:17] <soundmaster80> however, the example is if i move a window from mon1 to mon2 it doesn't just snap in place
[02:17] <soundmaster80> i know that's not real specific
[02:17] <oggb4mp3> is the kubuntu kernel patched for win4lin by any chance?
[02:18] <oggb4mp3> those are window behaviors
[02:18] <oggb4mp3> look in kcontrol
[02:18] <soundmaster80> LOL, i have all over the place 
[02:18] <dm> any guides on installing OPERA?
[02:18] <soundmaster80> and tried messing with different settings 
[02:18] <soundmaster80> just wondered if anyone in here has been annoyed with this and fixed it
[02:19] <oggb4mp3> soundmaster80: Desktop => window behavior
[02:19] <oggb4mp3> Moving tab => snap zones
[02:19] <soundmaster80> ok, lemmie reboot and try that 
[02:20] <Knowerrors> tarheelcoxn: actually no, breezy extras, not back ports
[02:20] <todd> how can i can i change the icon used for K menu?
[02:26] <tarheelcoxn> dm: I know it's different if you use a Kubuntu install CD
[02:27] <slicslak> for some reason apt-get can't find proftpd.  any advice?
[02:27] <tarheelcoxn> slicslak: you know that that's the package name?
[02:30] <slicslak> tarheelcoxn, definitely.  it's a common package
[02:31] <tarheelcoxn> slicslak: apt-cache search proftpd
[02:32] <tarheelcoxn> slicslak: I get nine packages back when I do that
[02:32] <tarheelcoxn> including one 'proftpd'
[02:33] <jesusfish> is there an audio convertor (flac to mp3) for KDE?
[02:33] <dm> tarheelcoxn i installed ubuntu then KDE about 2 hours ago and jpatrick had me install some stuff to get some program working, and that changed it to kubuntu splash before kdm loaded, like kubuntu cd install, but i had to reinstall ubuntu because it was corrupt, i HAD it but i dont remember what i installed
[02:35] <jsubl2> dm: i found out how to change the boot splash
[02:36] <dm> jsubl2 to the blue text and blue kubuntu?
[02:36] <jsubl2> yeah
[02:36] <dm> jsugl2 cool how
[02:36] <jsubl2> dm check ls /usr/lib/usplash/kubuntu-splash.so  you got that file
[02:37] <slicslak> tarheelcoxn, i think apt-get is screwed.  i get a bunch of error messages at startup
[02:37] <dm> jsubl2 yes
[02:37] <jsubl2> rm /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so && ln -s /usr/lib/usplash/kubuntu-splash.so /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so
[02:38] <jsubl2>  dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)
[02:38] <jsubl2> worked for me
[02:38] <jsubl2> i like the blue better also
[02:38] <Knowerrors> tarheelcoxn: like they mention here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=70815&highlight=breezy+extras
[02:38] <dm> jsubl2 permision denied
[02:38] <tarheelcoxn> Knowerrors: ahh
[02:38] <jsubl2> sudo -i
[02:38] <tarheelcoxn> 'bout to drive home
[02:38] <tarheelcoxn> ttyl, folks
[02:39] <_jonathan> i was just wondering if anyone had noticed a problem with konsole 
[02:39] <beford> what problem
[02:39] <dm> jsubl2 got it, is that it?
[02:39] <_jonathan> characters around the bottom and right side
[02:39] <jsubl2> dm:  dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)
[02:40] <_jonathan> i'm assuming after a certain size
[02:40] <dm> jsubl2 o  ok im going to reboot hehe :)
[02:41] <jsubl2> good luck
[02:41] <_jonathan> no one has noticed this, i tried to change schema's and it happened
[02:44] <_jonathan> one other question, if i uncomment the backports repository i have issues with apt-get update...anyone seen this?
[02:45] <jsubl2> backports for breezy is not out yet
[02:45] <_jonathan> ok, that answers that
[02:46] <_jonathan> jsubl2: to my first question have you noticed the konsole putting characters on the lower and right side after changing schemas
[02:46] <jsubl2> _jonathan: no but i only change schemas once when setting it up. then generally don't touch it
[02:47] <_jonathan> well that's what i'm doing...but i was having issues with that
[02:58] <dm> what the heck is Debconf ?
[03:00] <jsubl2> dm did it work
[03:00] <dm> jsubl2
[03:00] <jsubl2> the boot splash
[03:01] <dm> jsubl2 havent rebooted yet, was updating, now it says Debconf on dmlinux, what is this, right after i do a full update
[03:01] <jsubl2> not sure
[03:24] <dm> Jsubl2 it didnt work, no boot splash displayed
[03:24] <dm> jsubl2 what was the other command
[03:25] <jsubl2> dm ls -l /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so
[03:25] <dm> jsubl2 no such file or dir.
[03:26] <dm> jsubl2 shit how do i fix that :(
[03:26] <delltony> whats going on guys?
[03:26] <delltony> anyone know if there is a program to do webcams with gaim yet?
[03:26] <jsubl2> ln -s /usr/lib/usplash/kubuntu-splash.so /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so
[03:26] <dm> jsubl2 ok what now?
[03:27] <jsubl2> dm you have to sudo -i first
[03:27] <jsubl2> ln -s /usr/lib/usplash/kubuntu-splash.so /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so
[03:27] <dm> jsubl2 i did , last command worked, anything else?>
[03:27] <jsubl2>  dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)
[03:28] <jsubl2> now what does ls -l /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so say
[03:28] <dm> no such file
[03:29] <dm> oh wait, nm
[03:29] <dm> didnt have .so on there
[03:29] <dm> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 34 Oct 29 22:26 /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so -> /usr/lib/usplash/kubuntu-splash.so
[03:29] <jsubl2> now run the  dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)
[03:30] <jsubl2> you are all set
[03:30] <dm> looks like it worked
[03:30] <dm> ok rebooting  , ill be back :)
[03:34] <dm> how do i make KDM my default login gui
[03:45] <_carlos_venezuel> how do i make KDM my default login gui : dpgk -reconfigure kdm (i think)
[03:47] <_carlos_venezuel> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[03:48] <nalioth> _carlos_venezuel: please dont blindly advise ubuntuguide, it is very out of date for use with breezy and will break it
[03:51] <dm> What fonts do i have to install to see some text on flash based sites?
[04:00] <flixor-bed> how can i put a message on the desktop on my computer home 
[04:00] <flixor-bed> or is that not possible
[04:01] <flixor-bed> can i do it with wall 
[04:01] <nalioth> flixor-bed: of course a wallpaper can be anything you like
[04:01] <nalioth> flixor-bed: use gimp and whip you one up
[04:02] <flixor-bed> lol
[04:02] <flixor-bed> no what i meant was i am logged on to my computer with ssh 
[04:03] <flixor-bed> but my father is allso working on that same compuer 
[04:03] <flixor-bed> computer
[04:03] <flixor-bed> so i thought it would be funny to send him a message :)
[04:03] <flixor-bed> like hallo dad how is linux 
[04:03] <_carlos_venezuel> how can i put a message on the desktop on my computer home <- check "superkaramba" or "karamba"
[04:04] <_carlos_venezuel> oooooooh
[04:04] <flixor-bed> but _carlos_venezuel i have a connection with ssh to my box 
[04:04] <_carlos_venezuel> ok ok sorry, i missunderstood
[04:04] <flixor-bed> ehm no problem 
[04:04] <flixor-bed> :)
[04:05] <beford> man talk
[04:06] <flixor-bed> that is for me beford 
[04:06] <beford> yep
[04:07] <tarheelcoxn> flixor-bed: why not just put a text file named "hello" in his desktop folder?
[04:08] <tarheelcoxn> not what you're looking for, but quick
[04:08] <_carlos_venezuel> how can i put a message on the desktop on my computer home <- what u can do is put a txt file on his desktop
[04:08] <_carlos_venezuel> ahh ok sorry, ejejeje too late
[04:09] <_carlos_venezuel> jejeje :-$
[04:10] <bobesponja> hey all
[04:10] <bobesponja> about breezy and breezy-update in sources.list , can I uncomment both or do I need to chose?
[04:12] <nalioth> bobesponja: only leave commented the line with breezy-backports
[04:12] <bobesponja> nalioth: thx
[04:12] <bobesponja> nalioth: is there a package to help configure the net connection?
[04:12] <Gunsmith> hi everybody, could anyone help me with a dual-screen setup?? i'm completely new to linux and need some help with it. any help would be much appreciated
[04:13] <nalioth> bobesponja: what kind of net connection?
[04:13] <nalioth> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XineramaMultipleMonitors?highlight=%28monitor%29
[04:13] <bobesponja> nalioth: I connect to a gateway
[04:14] <flixor-bed> thanks tarheelcoxn thats was most effective lol 
[04:14] <Gunsmith> thanks nalioth.. i'll check it out
[04:14] <nalioth> bobesponja: i'm not much on fancy connections. dhcp should take care of things for you, if your gateway has dhcp
[04:14] <flixor-bed> anyway i am going to bed, everybody a very nice evening or night and goodbuy 
[04:15] <bobesponja> nalioth: it doesn't, i usually use a package called netcardconfig in debian
[04:15] <_carlos_venezuel> flixor-bed: me too, c'ya all, take care :-p
[04:18] <strike4ce> Anyone have firestarter firewall?
[04:23] <strike4ce> !firestarter
[04:23] <ubotu> somebody said firestarter was Ubuntu has, like every other Linux distribution, firewalling built into the kernel. A simple frontend to this firewall is Firestarter, which can be installed via Breezy's "Add Applications" or Synaptic
[04:28] <tarheelcoxn> mmmm
[04:28] <tarheelcoxn> I'm having a DMA problem
[04:28] <tarheelcoxn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA
[04:28] <tarheelcoxn> ^^ I followed that
[04:28] <tarheelcoxn> including the "troubleshoot" section
[04:28] <tarheelcoxn> s/troubleshoot/troubleshooting/
[04:29] <tarheelcoxn> but I still get HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[04:41] <fatejudger> why is it that Linux takes longer to boot than Windows?
[04:44] <nalioth> fatejudger: because linux is not meant to be started every day
[04:55] <tarheelcoxn> I'm having trouble with hostap
[04:55] <tarheelcoxn> and there doesn't seem to be anything about it in the wiki
[04:55] <tarheelcoxn> shall I look up debian resources?
[04:56] <nalioth> tarheelcoxn: ubuntu is based on debian
[04:58] <tarheelcoxn> nalioth: I know
[04:58] <tarheelcoxn> I was just asking if there was some "official" ubuntu something on hostap
[04:58] <nalioth> tarheelcoxn: i've never heard of one 
[05:01] <Delvien> nalioth Do you know something other than what ubotu links to install mp3 playback
[05:01] <nalioth> Delvien: install gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:02] <tarheelcoxn> ./debian/rules binary-modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.12
[05:02] <tarheelcoxn> got it
[05:02] <Delvien> nalioth i did that, and registered it too but i still cant play mp3s with amaroK
[05:02] <fatejudger> nalioth: I have to start Linux a lot since I put it on my laptop
[05:03] <fatejudger> nalioth: there must be a better reason as to why it takes longer
[05:03] <Delvien> nalioth i can play them with Noatun though
[05:04] <nalioth> i'm not that knowlegable about mp3 playback
[05:05] <Delvien> nalioth ok can you ubotu me ? :)
[05:05] <Delvien> nalioth i dont know the keyword
[05:05] <nalioth> Delvien: are you registered?
[05:06] <Delvien> nalioth yep
[05:06] <Delvien> nalioth <-- dmlinux
[05:06] <Delvien> nalioth or "iam " hehe
[05:08] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Delvien about yourself
[05:08] <sadistic_kitten> does anyone know where I can get the packages "kdelibs4" and "libqt3c102-mt" 'cause I can't get them through apt
[05:10] <Delvien> nalioth would it be possible if you could paste your breezy sources.list if at all possible?
[05:11] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Delvien about sources
[05:13] <Delvien> E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate.. anyone know the repo for this one
[05:13] <_thiago> hi people, does anybody know how do I upgrade my kernel ?
[05:13] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Delvien about w32deb
[05:13] <nalioth> Delvien: if you visit the URL ubotu gave you when he introduced himself, you wont need us anymore
[05:14] <sadistic_kitten> is anyonce willing to help me...
[05:14] <sadistic_kitten> *anyone
[05:14] <_thiago> fala seu filho da puta bobesponja!
[05:14] <_thiago> bobesponja vc  i fdp
[05:14] <Delvien> lol but then i wouldnt get the joy of talking to a human being... lol
[05:14] <nalioth> _thiago: do you like it here?
[05:15] <_thiago> like what?
[05:15] <nalioth> _thiago: that language is not welcome here
[05:15] <strike4ce> Damn I installed firestarter from adept and I cant find it anywhere?
[05:16] <beford> _thiago, fdp viado, no fales aqui 
[05:16] <_thiago> ok, Im brazilian ok? I speak portuguese besides english, im just trying to call bobespoja
[05:16] <_thiago> hu.... why are u nerds so angry?
[05:16] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: _thiago i dont call my friends such things, please be considerate
[05:16] <strike4ce> anyone know how I can find it easy?
[05:17] <nalioth> strike4ce: k > run program > "kdesu firestarter"
[05:17] <beford> aHUAHUahAhu _thiago called us nerds, he must be the coolest brazilian ever.
[05:17] <_thiago> Why dont u go suck your linux boxes,u bunch of idiot gay nerds!!
[05:17] <beford> _thiago, do you need help to upgrade your kernel?
[05:17] <Delvien> its a torrent ! GAH
[05:18] <_thiago> yeah I was trying to, but now I thiink people are offended with my language...huuu
[05:18] <nalioth> Delvien: change 'hoarydeb' to 'breezydeb' in the URL
[05:18] <sadistic_kitten> wouldn't idiot and nerds be a contridiction?
[05:18] <nalioth> wow what a temper
[05:19] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: do you have universe and multiverse enabled?
[05:19] <Delvien> nalioth there is a breezy link 
[05:19] <nalioth> Delvien: if it goes to a torrent, change the url as i mentioned
[05:19] <Delvien> o
[05:19] <sadistic_kitten> oh about my question nvmd I'm on www1.apt-get.org and am about to updat my sources.list
[05:20] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: please dont do that
[05:21] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: debian binaries dont play well with ubuntu
[05:21] <beford> sadistic_kitten, use www.ubuntuguide.org 
[05:21] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: the libs you mentioned are available
[05:21] <nalioth> beford: please dont advise that either
[05:21] <beford> ok dont
[05:21] <nalioth> !ubuntuguide
[05:21] <ubotu> it has been said that ubuntuguide is out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide is the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[05:22] <sadistic_kitten> ummm ok then
[05:22] <beford> then just use ubuntulinux.com repositories
[05:22] <nalioth> ubotu: tell sadistic_kitten about repos
[05:22] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: enable universe and multiverse
[05:23] <nalioth> you'll find your libs there
[05:24] <sadistic_kitten> nalioth: you mean in my sources.list...?
[05:24] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: enable universe and multiverse in your sources.list ,yes
[05:24] <sadistic_kitten> I think I already have...
[05:25] <sadistic_kitten> hold on
[05:27] <sadistic_kitten> nalioth: umm that's for hoary does that matter much?
[05:28] <sadistic_kitten> nalioth: or do I have to change where it says "hoary" to "breezy"?
[05:28] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: are you using breezy? then use the breezy sources
[05:28] <nalioth> ubotu: tell sadistic_kitten about sources
[05:28] <Delvien> nalioth easier way to get w32codecs here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79449
[05:29] <strike4ce> nalioth: Firestarter is going.  I want an icon though.  Is there anyway I can get one on my menu or desktop?
[05:29] <nalioth> strike4ce: right click on your kicker and add one
[05:29] <nalioth> strike4ce: of use the kde menu editor
[05:30] <strike4ce> nalioth: Its not there already tried that
[05:30] <nalioth> using debian repos may seem easy now, but using them more than a few updates will lead to trouble
[05:34] <strike4ce> Cant find the damn thing!  Its a gnome app
[05:34] <endo602> hell
[05:34] <endo602> o
[05:34] <endo602> can someone help me setting up samba
[05:34] <endo602> or mounting a windows drive through samba
[05:34] <endo602> ?
[05:36] <sadistic_kitten> nalioth: it still doesn't work...
[05:36] <sadistic_kitten> would you like to see the error message?
[05:37] <nalioth> !info kdelibs4
[05:37] <nalioth> grumble grumble
[05:38] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: no installation candidate or no package found, right?
[05:38] <sergio> hi I have aproblem burning cds, does anybody can help me?
[05:38] <sadistic_kitten> yeh
[05:38] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: like living on the edge?
[05:38] <sadistic_kitten> no
[05:38] <sergio> and I want to know how to add repocitories to sources.list
[05:38] <sadistic_kitten> but what have you got in mind?
[05:38] <nalioth> ubotu: tell sergio about repos
[05:40] <nalioth> i got a URL for kde 3.5 beta
[05:40] <sadistic_kitten> nalioth: you talking to me...?
[05:41] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: i see kdelibs4 available in breezy
[05:41] <endo602> can someone help me setting up samba?
[05:41] <nalioth> both on my network and at packages.ubuntu.com
[05:41] <nalioth> ubotu: tell endo602 about samba
[05:41] <endo602> thanks
[05:41] <sadistic_kitten> yeah well I don't know why it isn't working for me then
[05:42] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: can you pastebin your sources.list ?
[05:42] <nalioth> !paste
[05:42] <ubotu> paste is, like, totally, please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[05:43] <sadistic_kitten> yeah hold on
[05:43] <sergio> i alredy try to open adept and it says "imposible to execute the command"
[05:45] <endo602> is there a way to mount a samba drive to my laptop form my desktop?
[05:46] <sadistic_kitten> nalioth: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3811
[05:47] <_jonathan> has anyone had problems installing build-essential on 5.10
[05:47] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: is that yours from your box?
[05:48] <nalioth> _jonathan: none at all
[05:48] <_jonathan> i'm getting gcc and g++ dep errors
[05:48] <sadistic_kitten> uhhh yeah 
[05:48] <sadistic_kitten> I got it from the example on pastebin
[05:48] <_jonathan> try to gcc and g++ and i have problems there too
[05:49] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: on a terminal or console, type "apt-cache search kdelibs4"
[05:49] <sadistic_kitten> k
[05:51] <sadistic_kitten> it came up with kdelibs4-dev kdelibs4-doc kdelibs4c2 kdelibs4c2-dbg
[05:52] <Massacration> Good night everyonde
[05:52] <sadistic_kitten> nn
[05:52] <Massacration> Can u people help me with a doubt?
[05:53] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: isn't that what you are looking for?
[05:53] <nalioth> Massacration: ask
[05:53] <sadistic_kitten> well I don't know because it is still listing it as a dependency...
[05:53] <Massacration> CAn I update my 385 kernel to a 686 ? I running my kubuntu in a pentium III box
[05:53] <nalioth> Massacration: yes of course
[05:54] <sadistic_kitten> it wants just plain "kdelibs4"
[05:54] <Massacration> how do I do that?
[05:54] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: i suspect it wants kdelibs4-dev
[05:55] <Massacration> ?
[05:56] <nalioth> Massacration: open adept and find the 686 kernel and have adept install it
[05:56] <sadistic_kitten> nalioth: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3812
[05:56] <Massacration> its only that?
[05:56] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: AH! the light dawns now. where did you get the deb?
[05:56] <Massacration> and when I restart my machine? will it run properly?
[05:57] <sadistic_kitten> http://kaligames.de/?pid=downloads/soundkonverter&ref=http://kaligames.de/downloads/soundkonverter/
[05:57] <nalioth> Massacration: there should be no problems at all
[05:57] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: does soundkonverter have a homepage with source code?
[05:57] <sadistic_kitten> nalioth: but other programs I have tried to install also list that dependency
[05:58] <sadistic_kitten> yeah hold on
[05:58] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: you are trying to install non ubuntu stuff, i suspect
[05:58] <Massacration> will it improve my performance?
[05:58] <sadistic_kitten> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29024&forummode=2&forumpage=2&forumexplevel=0&forumthread=117058#c117058
[05:58] <Massacration> does this upodate worth? or is it too risk?
[05:58] <nalioth> Massacration: only if you have more then 768mb of ram in the box
[05:59] <Massacration> I have only 384mb
[05:59] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: grab the source pkg from there, please
[05:59] <Massacration> So it doesnt worth, does it?
[05:59] <nalioth> Massacration: i'd stay with your i386 kernel
[06:00] <Massacration> ok thanks so much
[06:00] <sergio> please tell me how i can enable adept
[06:00] <nalioth> sergio: adept is standard in kubuntu breezy
[06:00] <Massacration> another doubt, about sound systems... why I cannot run sounds in two programs at the same time?
[06:00] <sadistic_kitten> yeah I have tried doing it from source but it doesn't work either and I thought a deb might work...
[06:01] <nalioth> the deb is wanting debian libs
[06:01] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: you'll need to find a deb that is made for ubuntu
[06:01] <nalioth> using ubuntu libs
[06:01] <sadistic_kitten> damn
[06:01] <sadistic_kitten> ok
[06:01] <Massacration> ?
[06:02] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Massacration about sound
[06:03] <sadistic_kitten> nalioth: there isn't one
[06:03] <Massacration> it doesnt work in more than one program at the same time
[06:03] <sadistic_kitten> what about an ebuild how do they work?
[06:03] <Massacration> i runnig breezy
[06:03] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: an 'ebuild' is something gentoo uses
[06:03] <sadistic_kitten> damn
[06:06] <sadistic_kitten> nalioth: can you read the comments I'm having the same problem as the first guy but I don't know how to fix it
[06:06] <sadistic_kitten> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29024&forummode=2&forumpage=2&forumexplevel=1
[06:08] <sadistic_kitten> nalioth: ?
[06:09] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: sorry, was reading the homepage
[06:09] <sadistic_kitten> k
[06:09] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: lesen sie deutsch?
[06:10] <sadistic_kitten> gwah??
[06:10] <sadistic_kitten> umm no..
[06:11] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: you need to install taglib and taglib * -dev
[06:11] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: kde-devel and perhaps some other kde dev pkgs
[06:11] <sadistic_kitten> I tried to and it didn't work
[06:11] <nalioth> tried to what?
[06:12] <sadistic_kitten> install taglib and taglib-dev
[06:13] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: they may have numbers in the names
[06:13] <sadistic_kitten> nalioth: I've got to go now I'll try and fix it later tonight, thanks for the help so far...
[06:17] <nalioth> ah, too late
[06:21] <_pedro> hi
[06:21] <stbain> hi
[06:22] <stbain> bye
[06:33] <Black_Chaos> I was messing around with the setting on a program. The settings I was playing with were the special window settings. Under "Workarounds" I changed Window Type to Desktop. Now it is stuck like that.
[06:33] <Black_Chaos> Any idea how to change it back??
[06:33] <nalioth> Black_Chaos: obvious question. have you reversed your procedure?
[06:35] <Black_Chaos> Well I can't seem to get back to the settings dialog. The top bar is missing so I can't click the icon to open the menu, and alt+F3 doesn't bring it up either.
[06:36] <nalioth> Black_Chaos: this is kde?
[06:36] <Black_Chaos> yep
[06:37] <nalioth> the windows key doensnt bring up the k menu?
[06:38] <Black_Chaos> ummm...don't think so. But i don't need the K menu
[06:41] <kkathman> evening all :)
[06:41] <kkathman> well good morning in some places I suppose
[06:41] <nalioth> professor kkathman may be of help, Black_Chaos 
[06:42] <kkathman> evening sir nalioth :)
[06:43] <kkathman> how are you tonight nalioth :)
[06:43] <Black_Chaos> ok kkathman, maybe you can help me out. Here's what I was doing:
[06:44] <nalioth> kkathman: ok. yourself?
[06:44] <Black_Chaos> I was messing around with the setting on a program. The settings I was playing with were the special window settings. Under "Workarounds" I changed Window Type to Desktop. Now it is stuck like that.
[06:45] <kkathman> Black_Chaos: are you under standard kubuntu, or one of the KDE betas?
[06:45] <kkathman> I am ok nalioth...had to get some antibiotics today though...fighting off some sinusitis and brochitis :)
[06:45] <Black_Chaos> standard kubuntu
[06:45] <Black_Chaos> kde ver 3.4.3
[06:45] <kkathman> Black_Chaos: and you installed from scratch or upgraded from hoary?
[06:46] <nalioth> kkathman: plenty or orange juice for you
[06:46] <Black_Chaos> upgraded from hoary
[06:46] <kkathman> yes yes
[06:46] <kkathman> Ok thanx...would you mind telling me what program you were working with when this happened?
[06:48] <Black_Chaos> basically I was trying to get my desktop 4 to be my terminal. So I opened Konsole, went to the advanced window settings and set No Border, put konsole in full screen mode, then started messing with those special windows settings
[06:48] <kkathman> ahhh.. ok
[06:49] <kkathman> ctrl-m should get your menu bar back I think
[06:51] <Black_Chaos> nope that's just like hitting enter in konsole. But, then menu bar is there. Its the top bar, umm, the one that has the name and close/minimize buttons
[06:51] <kkathman> Ive never danced in that windows setting area tho
[06:51] <kkathman> ahhh
[06:51] <Black_Chaos> neither have I. Thats why I was playing with it. lol
[06:52] <kkathman> Black_Chaos: what happens when you hit ctrl-alt-m
[06:53] <Black_Chaos> brings up the Session drop down menu
[06:53] <kkathman> can you move laterally after that...to the right with arrow keys
[06:53] <kkathman> ?
[06:53] <Black_Chaos> yes
[06:54] <kkathman> then also ctrl-shft-F should toggle you out of fullscreen mode
[06:55] <kkathman> once you can get to the menu you should be able to get to Settings and reset the menubar I think
[06:55] <Black_Chaos> yeah see cause I set that special windows setting to desktop mode, its basically running in the desktop space, so that doesn't affect anything
[06:56] <kkathman> oh really?
[06:56] <kkathman> hmm
[06:56] <Black_Chaos> the setting would be a KDE window setting and not a Konsole setting I would think
[06:58] <kkathman> do you have a little down arrow on your border for the konsole...or can you get to a dialog that has like "Advanced" "To Desktop"  etc
[06:59] <kkathman> I was going to see if you could get back to that setting dialog and hit "default" and get back
[06:59] <Black_Chaos> see thats where I'm screwed, cause the border is gone. and usually alt+f3 pulls that menu up but its not
[06:59] <kkathman> just out of curiousity, have you rebooted to see if it will reset?
[06:59] <Black_Chaos> not yet
[06:59] <Black_Chaos> did log out and back in
[07:02] <kkathman> how about ctrl-alt-backspace?
[07:02] <kkathman> that will kill the current X and restart
[07:02] <nalioth> ummmm killing X
[07:03] <Massacration> how do I update open office to the final release?
[07:03] <kkathman> I think that came from you, nalioth, as a suggestion that worked for someone the other night :)
[07:03] <nalioth> moi? kill something? horrors
[07:03] <kkathman> rofl
[07:03] <Black_Chaos> I think I'll reboot, see what that does
[07:03] <kkathman> well its worth a chance, worst thing they'd have to reboot
[07:03] <kkathman> that'll work too
[07:06] <kkathman> I was thinking that settings that are changed by applications are stored by each application in some settings file, but I dont know where
[07:08] <Black_Chaos> no luck
[07:08] <kkathman> arggh
[07:09] <Black_Chaos> exactly
[07:09] <kkathman> wow this is a real puzzler
[07:09] <kkathman> so when you reboot, where does your system boot to?
[07:09] <nalioth> kkathman: pssst ~/.kde
[07:10] <Black_Chaos> like runlevel or what??
[07:10] <kkathman> yes...but that contains settings for each application?
[07:10] <nalioth> kkathman: look in yours
[07:10] <kkathman> Black_Chaos: no, I mean, when it boots, what are you looking at when it finally completes the boot process
[07:11] <Black_Chaos> the kde login manager
[07:11] <nalioth> brb, gonna get rid of this nasty gigabit router
[07:12] <kkathman> Black_Chaos: and you login and it takes you where?
[07:12] <Black_Chaos> to basic kde
[07:13] <kkathman> ok
[07:14] <kkathman> so the issue then is that konsole is still acting up right?
[07:14] <Black_Chaos> yeah
[07:14] <kkathman> so ok
[07:14] <kkathman> lets try something off the cuff here
[07:14] <Black_Chaos> k
[07:15] <kkathman> lets see if you can edit a file:  ~/.kde/share/apps/konsole  with whatever your favorite editor is (i.e. kdesu kwrite)
[07:17] <kkathman> Black_Chaos: here's what my file of that looks like:
[07:17] <bearchit> hi~
[07:17] <kkathman> [Desktop Entry] 
[07:17] <kkathman> Cwd=
[07:17] <kkathman> Exec=bash
[07:17] <kkathman> Font=6
[07:17] <kkathman> Icon=openterm
[07:17] <kkathman> KeyTab=
[07:17] <kkathman> Name=Linux Console
[07:17] <kkathman> Schema=Linux.schema
[07:17] <kkathman> Term=linux
[07:17] <kkathman> Type=KonsoleApplication
[07:17] <kkathman> sorry to paste, but there isnt much going on right now
[07:18] <Black_Chaos> I went to that specified path but its just a folder
[07:19] <kkathman> oh sorry
[07:19] <kkathman> duh
[07:19] <kkathman> open the file linux.desktop
[07:19] <kkathman> silly me
[07:20] <kkathman> see if its like mine above
[07:23] <kkathman> nalioth :)
[07:23] <kkathman> oops something happened :)
[07:23] <nalioth> much nicer
[07:24] <kkathman> nalioth: did you happen to point him to the linux.desktop in the ~/.kde/share/apps/konsole/linux.desktop file?
[07:24] <Black_Chaos> AHAHA WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
[07:25] <Black_Chaos> I fixed it!!!
[07:25] <kkathman> ??
[07:25] <kkathman> excellent :)
[07:25] <kkathman> what did you do?
[07:27] <kkathman> nalioth: this is a dumb question, so please dont revoke my professorial priviledges ..
[07:28] <Black_Chaos> OK when you open that special settings dialog, it says the program is KWin. So I went to my home folder and .kde/share/config and was looking through the config files. Found one called kwinrulesrc. Opened it up and it had some konsole settings. So I backed the file up. deleted the main one and restarted X
[07:28] <kkathman> good job!!
[07:28] <kkathman> excellent :)
[07:28] <nalioth> Black_Chaos: easy pleasy
[07:28] <Black_Chaos> yeah ;)
[07:29] <kkathman> well we at least got you pointed in the right direction I suppose :)
[07:29] <Black_Chaos> yeah, just needed some other ideas while I searched for the config file
[07:30] <kkathman> hehe always gratifying when the human wins :)
[07:30] <nalioth> kkathman: your dumb question?
[07:30] <kkathman> is a tgz file the same as a gz??
[07:30] <kkathman> basically?
[07:31] <kkathman> I mean can I still do a tar xvzf on it?
[07:32] <nalioth> kkathman: tgz = tar.gz  tbz or tbz2 (not used often <if at all>) = tar.bz2
[07:33] <Black_Chaos> dang beat me
[07:33] <kkathman> so I can just tar xvzf foo.tgz then?
[07:34] <nalioth> kkathman: foo away
[07:35] <kkathman> lol
[07:35] <Black_Chaos> ok one last ? for the night
[07:36] <Black_Chaos> Do you know any way to change the little icon that is on the title bar, in the upper left hand corner?
[07:37] <kkathman> Im off to bed for the evening guys...gotta get some rest to fight this infection :)
[07:45] <Black_Chaos> alright, thanks for the help. I gotta hit the sack.
[07:45] <Black_Chaos> later
[07:45] <raven> mo
[07:45] <raven> no
[07:47] <persoontje> Do you know of it is possible to use gecko with konqueror instead of khtml?
[07:47] <raven> is there anything i need to know or keep in mind.. going to install kubuntu for the firts time
[07:47] <persoontje> (sorry for my english, but do you understand it) :D
[07:48] <nalioth> persoontje: it is possible
[07:48] <raven> persoontje it is gecko
[07:48] <nalioth> !hardware
[07:48] <ubotu> hmm... hardware is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[07:49] <persoontje> but how can I do that?
[07:50] <raven> try setting-->browers ident....
[07:50] <raven> look trhere
[07:51] <persoontje> I think that doesn't work, konq says than that  he is gecko but he uses khtml
[07:51] <raven> then use mozilla :P
[07:53] <nalioth> persoontje: i use galeon as my primary browser and konqueror as my secondary browser (some things dont render well under gecko)
[07:53] <raven> hmm is there no root in ubuntu
[07:53] <nalioth> ubotu: tell raven about root
[07:54] <persoontje> okay i will try galeon (now apt-getting it)
[07:58] <raven> nalioth thxz
[08:24] <noppie> hello
[08:48] <azertyuuu> hey all , i need to delete opera , but sudo dpkg -r opera  is being ignored .... can anyone help me
[08:49] <nalioth> azertyuuu: did you install it using apt-get?
[08:49] <azertyuuu> nalioth no, downloaded and isntalled bt dpgk -i
[08:50] <Delvien> Hey guys, i have Noatun on my computer, but how do i make a link in my Kmenu ??
[08:50] <azertyuuu> with dpkg -i
[08:50] <Delvien> nm
[08:50] <nalioth> azertyuuu: open adept and remove it with that
[08:51] <azertyuuu> nalioth: thanx !
[08:53] <Delvien> Anyone know how to change the color of your fonts on the desktop items?
[08:54] <unsurreal> try kcontrol
[08:57] <Delvien> unsurreal dont see it anywhere in kcontrol
[08:57] <Delvien> but ive done it before
[09:05] <sampan> gah -- now when i try to reset my system time/date i'm getting "conversation with su failed"
[09:07] <lexhider> delvien: kcontrol->appearance->background->advanced-options, I remember having to ask at in IRC one time to find it. hopefully this is something that gets fixed for kde4.
[09:07] <nalioth> there are lots of things to be fixed (hopefully) in kde4
[09:08] <Delvien> lexhider that worked ! thank you, now do you know how to turn Konsoles background white and the text black , like regular terminal
[09:10] <Delvien> lexhinder nm got it :) hehe
[09:11] <sampan> i don't understand how an OS's clock setting can be broken
[09:11] <Delvien> lexhinder one more question, any way to get konquerer to not open a window so big?
[09:11] <sampan> i switched it (right-click, change time) and now i can't make another change
[09:12] <sampan> everytime, whether right-click or kcontrol or system-settings (admin mode), it gives me "conversation with su failed"
[09:13] <soccerfiend> sampan: what about running ntpdate from the command line
[09:14] <sampan> 30 Oct 00:13:30 ntpdate[15820] : no servers can be used, exiting
[09:14] <sampan> i can't do ANYTHING in kcontrol that requires administrator mode
[09:14] <soccerfiend> sudo ntpdate timelord.uregina.ca
[09:14] <sampan> that seems like a BASIC problem -- far more serious than just getting the time right
[09:14] <soccerfiend> what version?
[09:14] <sampan> breezy
[09:14] <soccerfiend> of KDE
[09:15] <sampan> ubuntu with kubuntu-desktop on top
[09:15] <nalioth> sampan: aka "kubuntu"
[09:15] <sampan> yeah, but i have all the gnome stuff too
[09:15] <soccerfiend> ok, open konqueror, -> help -> about KDE
[09:15] <Delvien> nalioth you use KDE right?
[09:15] <nalioth> Delvien: yes
[09:16] <sampan> soccerfiend  it's 3.4.3
[09:16] <sampan> not the buggy 3.4 
[09:16] <soccerfiend> although 3.4 is working good for me
[09:16] <Delvien> nalioth maybe you know this. How do i make it so Konquerer opens up smaller, instead of taking up the whole screen, is there a way to do this without making EVERY other window in ubuntu open the same size
[09:16] <soccerfiend> erm 3.5, my bad
[09:17] <sampan> i dunno -- i really liked hoary, but seriously, not being able to use the administrator mode is like seriously broken, not just a minor "bug"
[09:17] <soccerfiend> can you run kcontrol from the command line
[09:18] <nalioth> Delvien: go to 'setting' save view profile, make sure to tick the "save window size" box
[09:18] <sampan> sure, i can "run" it, but anything inside that needs admin privs crashes out with 'conversation with su failed'
[09:18] <soccerfiend> can you run kcontrol with kdesu in front?
[09:18] <soccerfiend> such as kdesu kcontrol
[09:18] <sampan> no
[09:19] <sampan> same error
[09:19] <soccerfiend> is this an upgrade from hoary?
[09:19] <sampan> nope, fresh breezy install -- when it first came out (day of release actually), but first time running into this problem
[09:19] <soccerfiend> ok try running the following
[09:20] <Delvien> nalioth that worked, thakns
[09:20] <soccerfiend> apt-get update && apt-get -s dist-upgrade
[09:20] <kairu0> hey all
[09:20] <kairu0> looking for a good kde torrent client
[09:20] <nalioth> Delvien: np, you will be answering my questions soon enough
[09:20] <nalioth> kairu0: use bittornado-gui
[09:20] <soccerfiend> this won't actually change anything, but should give a list of pending upgrades or installs
[09:20] <Delvien> nalioth hehe nah , i have a horrible memory
[09:20] <kairu0> nalioth, is it better than ktorrent?
[09:21] <Delvien> nalioth unless you got a question on Home improvment :P
[09:21] <sampan> lol soccerfiend i got permission denied -- even with sudo on it
[09:21] <nalioth> kairu0: ktorrent is quite buggy atm <shudder> quite buggy
[09:21] <soccerfiend> sampan: sudo apt-get update
[09:21] <kairu0> nalioth, can i get bittorando-gui from universe or muiltiverse?
[09:21] <nalioth> !info bittornado-gui
[09:21] <ubotu> bittornado-gui: (bittorrent client with enhanced GUI interface), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 0.3.11-4ubuntu4 (breezy), Packaged size: 38 kB, Installed size: 232 kB
[09:22] <soccerfiend> !info backuppc
[09:22] <ubotu> backuppc: (high-performance, enterprise-grade system for backing up PCs), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.1.1-2ubuntu3 (breezy), Packaged size: 399 kB, Installed size: 1772 kB
[09:22] <sampan> soccerfiend  it gave me 12 packages to upgrade -- but they didn't even seem to download -- just instantly done
[09:22] <sampan> and i still get that error
[09:22] <kairu0> nalioth, thnx, downloading :D
[09:22] <sampan> on the clock
[09:24] <soccerfiend> sampan:Forget about the clock, sounds like something else is broken on this machine
[09:24] <soccerfiend> sampan: do you get that error just running apt-get update by itself
[09:24] <sampan> soccerfiend, yeah -- sounds like something very serious -- and it's not just me: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8681#c59
[09:25] <soccerfiend> this looks like a fix
[09:26] <sampan> not sure until i try it -- funny though that it was a KNOWN problem (not even gonna call it a bug when it's something so important to the OS) as far back as april
[09:26] <sampan> but still it's released as a final candidate
[09:27] <soccerfiend> sampan: I downloaded the kubuntu CD for my laptop back when breezy was beta.  I have been working fine
[09:28] <sampan> obviously it doesn't affect everyone -- but nonetheless it affects some people and it was known 6 months before release
[09:28] <sampan> just because it works right for some doesn't mean it was ready for general release
[09:28] <soccerfiend> not my call, I was surprized at the gpg and kmail issue
[09:28] <soccerfiend> well, no software is usually ready for general release
[09:29] <kairu0> nalioth, you wouldnt know how to refresh the kde menu would you?
[09:29] <soccerfiend> its nice not to have to wait for a service pack, most issues can be worked around, though I know how frustrating this must feel
[09:29] <sampan> i'm not blaming anyone in particular -- just frustrating to move from a smoothly functioning system to one with (fairly serious fundamental) control issues
[09:30] <nalioth> kairu0: i would not
[09:31] <sampan> soccerfiend  so i'll install that .deb and reboot -- hopefully it'll be fixed :X
[09:31] <sampan> install went fine -- brb
[09:32] <kairu0> nalioth, thnkx and nice grammar hehe
[09:32] <soccerfiend> sampan: does sudo kcontrol work?
[09:33] <soccerfiend> I guess he won't see that if he left
[09:33] <kairu0> soccerfiend, dont do that! it will destroy your manlyhood!
[09:33] <kairu0> it killed one of my users
[09:34] <soccerfiend> at 30, I am no longer worried about my "manlyhood"
[09:34] <soccerfiend> it is too late if I am in trouble :)
[09:36] <kairu0> hahaha
[09:36] <kairu0> but seriously sudo kcontrol is not a good idea
[09:38] <soccerfiend> I rarely use kcontrol, but out of curiosity, why is it bad?
[09:39] <Delvien> This is wierd, Kmail wont accept my pop3 server
[09:39] <kairu0> soccerfiend, i dont exactly know, but it uses $guiapp which fucks with the permissions in your users folders
[09:39] <Delvien> is there something special i should be doing
[09:39] <kairu0> it might be safe to do a kdesu kcontrol
[09:40] <spiral> hi
[09:40] <azertyuuu> hey all, i'm trying to install superkaramba but it can't find a C compiler , which applications do i need more
[09:41] <kairu0> azertyuuu, probably gcc
[09:41] <sampan> soccerfiend thanks for the encouragement -- i think that .deb package fixed it -- changed the clock and have been able to enter admin mode (and the page is bookmarked so i can refer others to it too)
[09:42] <soccerfiend> that is generally what I do, but sometimes kdesu fails
[09:42] <soccerfiend> though I do tend to run the KDE betas so I expect things to break
[09:42] <soccerfiend> too many years of debian sid have made me very tolerant of twitchy software... nevermind the years of MS before
[09:43] <azertyuuu> this worked apt-get build-essential
[09:43] <azertyuuu> this worked apt-get install build-essential
[09:44] <unsurreal> (k)ubuntu packages so much newer and fresher :)
[09:47] <kairu0> too many years of debian made me distrust people
[09:58] <soccerfiend> oops, silly wireless connection grabbed an ip at the same time as my lan
[09:59] <soccerfiend> sampan: how have you made out with the new binaries?
[10:12] <azertyuuu> hi all, i just compiled superkaramba, but how can i start it ? i don't see anything of it in the startmenu
[10:20] <Delvien> whats the install for Alien?  the command that is
[10:24] <azertyuuu> how can i open a .sh-file
[10:28] <nalioth> Delvien: you shouldn't use rpms
[10:35] <Delvien> nalioth i got it to work alt way :)
[10:36] <nalioth> Delvien: good for you, rpms shouldnt be a habit
[10:36] <Delvien> nalioth im trying to avoid anything hard right now, since im tired and its 436 am
[10:37] <nalioth> Delvien: then go to bed. it's 337am here
[10:41] <Delvien> nalioth do you know how i make a link to a .sh file that i can change the icon to?
[10:42] <nalioth> Delvien: certainly. where do you want the icon?
[10:43] <Delvien> nalioth ill move the icon to a more accessible folder really quick , i want the icon in the lauch bar ( the main bar) i have a "Non KDE application" shortcut right now but i cant change the icon
[10:44] <nalioth> why not?
[10:44] <nalioth> that's strange
[10:44] <Delvien> nalioth i click the new png and it goes back to regular icon , i know its kinda freaky
[10:44] <raphink> right-click the bar, choose `add Application to Panel -> Add non KDE Application'
[10:44] <Delvien> is there a way i can make a link to the .sh without non KDE app
[10:44] <raphink> then right-click the icon and choose `Configure'
[10:45] <Delvien> raphink i already have that part hehe
[10:45] <raphink> and choose the icon
[10:45] <raphink> or you can actually choose the icon
[10:45] <raphink> while adding the app
[10:45] <Delvien> raphink i did all that , doesnt work for me 
[10:46] <Delvien> hmm now it works.. wth lol
[10:46] <Delvien> i think it was in too many subfolders, 
[10:46] <Delvien> it was 8 steps down
[10:46] <_xuniL> i need help with my Kmenu when i makeing changes in it, and save it doesent happens any thing
[10:54] <Delvien> nalioth is there a way to hide one folder on your desktop?
[10:54] <nalioth> Delvien: sure. name it .Folder
[10:55] <Delvien> nalioth i cant rename it , a program uses it , but i dont want to see it, the damn prog doesnt want it anywhere else, which is retarded
[10:55] <nalioth> Delvien: then you are stuck
[10:55] <Delvien> nalioth great, :) thanks bro
[10:56] <raphink> what program uses it Delvien ?
[10:57] <Delvien> raphink limewire, tinkering with it now
[10:57] <raphink> you can set limewire
[10:57] <raphink> in the preferences
[10:58] <raphink> it should put anything on  your desktop
[10:58] <raphink> lol
[10:59] <Delvien> raphink sorry i had to restart X , did you say something?
[10:59] <raphink> nope
[11:21] <tklauser> Hi
[11:21] <raphink> hi tklauser 
[11:21] <tklauser> Can I somehow get rid of the gnomeish "Save File" dialog in Breezy?
[11:22] <raphink> tklauser: you're in #kubuntu here
[11:22] <tklauser> raphink: I know
[11:22] <raphink> where do you have a gnomeish dialog?
[11:22] <tklauser> raphink: Arghl, sorry, it's early here.
[11:22] <tklauser> raphink: In firefox
[11:22] <raphink> oh well
[11:23] <raphink> firefox is based on gtk
[11:23] <raphink> so its' gnomeish that's it
[11:23] <raphink> if you don't like the gnomeish style
[11:23] <raphink> don't use firefox
[11:23] <raphink> or contribute to the effor to port it to qt
[11:23] <azertyuuu> hey all, i installed crossover office , but what's the location to run this app
[11:23] <raphink> effort
[11:23] <nalioth> thought firefox was based on some godawful widget set
[11:23] <tklauser> raphink: But the dialog looked different in previous versions of firefox.
[11:24] <raphink> it always looked gnomeish here
[11:24] <tklauser> It looked like firefox/mozilla, not particularly like gnome.
[11:24] <propagandhi> azertyuuu: it should appear in the menu, perhaps if it isnt now it might if you restart kde, but alternately you can run /home/username/bin/cxoffice/cxsetup
[11:24] <azertyuuu> propagandhi: thanx
[11:25] <raphink> constant is : firefox is not qt
[11:25] <tklauser> raphink: Sure.
[11:25] <raphink> that's why it looks ugly
[11:25] <raphink> ;)
[11:25] <tklauser> raphink: Biut I want the default Firefox "Save File" Dialog and that must be possible.
[11:25] <nalioth> tklauser: you know you can have konqueror use the gecko engine, right?
[11:25] <raphink> konqui powa :)
[11:25] <tklauser> raphink: It doesn't look ugly, it just looks unfamiliar. ;-)
[11:26] <raphink> to me it looks ugly ;)
[11:28] <tklauser> OK, I guess I'll have to live with it or switch to konqi. ;-) Thanks anyways.
[11:29] <raphink> ;)
[11:29] <raphink> konqui rocks
[11:43] <propagandhi> how does one configure konqueror with the gecko engine?
[11:43] <azertyuuu> hey all , how can i play .wmv-files (with kafeinne)
[11:43] <Stefano> i guess this is not possible
[11:43] <Stefano> i mean the gecko stuff
[11:44] <raphink> azertyuuu: install the codecs
[11:44] <raphink> !codecs
[11:44] <ubotu> from memory, codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:44] <nalioth> ubotu: tell azertyuuu about w32codecs
[11:44] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: sure you can
[11:44] <sadistic_kitten> it says it can't find it...
[11:44] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: libtag1-dev
[11:45] <sadistic_kitten> nalioth: ok then...
[11:45] <propagandhi> raphink: tell me how to configure konqueror with the gecko engine
[11:45] <raphink> huh?
[11:46] <azertyuuu> thanx all
[11:46] <propagandhi> nalioth: tell me how to configure konqueror with the gecko engine
[11:46] <propagandhi> sorry raphink
[11:46] <azertyuuu> ubotu w32codec
[11:46] <ubotu> it has been said that w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. To download the debs: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy).  For 64-bit read: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399
[11:46] <raphink> propagandhi: nalioth and I are not bots
[11:46] <raphink> :p
[11:46] <propagandhi> raphink: i realise that
[11:46] <raphink> konqueror uses the gecko engine
[11:47] <raphink> I don't get what you want to configure
[11:47] <propagandhi> I was referring to nalioth's previous statement that you can configure konqueror with the gecko engine
[11:48] <azertyuuu> ubotu present
[11:48] <ubotu> azertyuuu: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[11:48] <Stefano> what am i supposed to install to see a wmv-file?
[11:49] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Stefano about w32codecs
[11:49] <azertyuuu> ubotu who are you ? a pcnerd ?
[11:49] <ubotu> azertyuuu: what are you talking about?
[11:49] <azertyuuu> ubotu: man i'm talking to you
[11:49] <nalioth> !ubotu
[11:49] <ubotu> azertyuuu: Wish i knew
[11:49] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on this channel! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my databanks on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:50] <raphink> !add
[11:50] <ubotu> add is, like, To add an item to me, type "ubotu <keyword> is <description description description>", without the carets
[11:50] <azertyuuu> ubotu: please stop it
[11:50] <ubotu> azertyuuu: Wish i knew
[11:50] <raphink> azertyuuu: be nice with ubotu ;)
[11:50] <nalioth> raphink: konqueror can be configured to use either khtml or gecko for rendering
[11:51] <raphink> hmm ok
[11:51] <raphink> how do you set it?
[11:52] <azertyuuu> ubotu: asl ?
[11:52] <ubotu> azertyuuu: What?
[11:52] <thoreauputic> !botabuse
[11:52] <ubotu> You can play with me on #debian-bots without being banned.
[11:53] <raphink> ubotu: tell azertyuuu about the answer of life
[11:57] <nalioth> bah! shows how i keep up. gecko in konqueror seems currently broken. forgive me for stirring up folks
[11:57] <raphink> who needs gecko anyway?
[11:57] <raphink> ;)
[11:57] <thoreauputic> !life
[11:57] <ubotu> The answer to the question about life, the universe and everything is ... 42
[11:58] <nalioth> i use galeon with konqueror as backup for sites not gecko friendly
[11:59] <sadistic_kitten> nalioth: lol
[12:00] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: how you gettin on?
[12:04] <nalioth> welp, time for a nap
[12:07] <sadistic_kitten> wb Stefano 
[12:07] <Stefano> ?
[12:08] <Stefano> i dont know what happend
[12:08] <sadistic_kitten> oh well
[12:08] <Stefano> freaky machine :)
[12:10] <sadistic_kitten> :P
[12:49] <tiburon> #kubuntu.de
[12:50] <kairu0> hey all
[12:53] <tiburon> hallo, bin nicht gut im Englischen. suche deutsches kubuntu irc. kann mir jemand helfen?
[12:54] <kairu0>  -> #kubuntu-de
[12:54] <tiburon> danke
[12:55] <kairu0> :)
[01:19] <mth`MAW> Hi GUys.
[01:21] <mth`MAW> Hi I am using breezy with kde 3.5 beta 2 BUT the old artsd. 
[01:21] <mth`MAW> BUT my systemsounds are not playing oggs at all.
[01:21] <mth`MAW> Someone an Idea?!
[01:22] <petros> hello
[01:22] <mth`MAW> hi
[01:22] <petros> is there a way to change the default ubuntu bootsplash screen?
[01:23] <mth`MAW> no idea.. I like it :)
[01:23] <petros> kk
[01:24] <Massacration> how can i play two sounds ate the same time in kubuntu?
[01:24] <Massacration> please help me
[01:24] <mth`MAW> using jackd
[01:24] <sadistic_kitten> petros: yes
[01:25] <sadistic_kitten> petros: not sure how tho
[01:25] <sadistic_kitten> petros: but it can be done
[01:38] <Massacration> Can anyone help me?
[01:38] <endo602> what does it mean that my konqbrowser.desktop is malformatted
[01:38] <kairu0> please ask a specific question
[01:38] <endo602> ?
[01:39] <endo602> i did
[01:39] <kairu0> endo602, your shortcut to konqueror (/usr/share/applications/kde/konqbrowser.desktop) has a problem
[01:39] <endo602> yeah
[01:39] <endo602> but why
[01:39] <kairu0> i dunno
[01:39] <endo602> all i did was try to mount a samba drive
[01:40] <kairu0> thats odd
[01:40] <endo602> yeah
[01:40] <endo602> now it says KDEInit could not launch "konsole"
[01:41] <kairu0> did you run an old kde app?
[01:44] <endo602> nope
[01:45] <kairu0> thats odd
[01:45] <kairu0> i dont know
[01:52] <larsivi> Riddell:I'm not able to change the time settings. The dialog don't come up at all if rightclicking the clock, in system settings, it won't enter adm mode (using 3.5 beta 2)
[01:54] <Massacration> How Can I play two  or more sounds in different programs at the same time?
[01:54] <Riddell> larsivi: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8681
[01:54] <Riddell> larsivi: fix pending people testing it, but I don't have 3.5 packages to test
[01:56] <Massacration> i using kubuntu
[01:57] <Massacration> and I cant play 2 sounds at the same time...
[01:59] <Massacration> hi people
[02:01] <endo602> i tried to mount a samba drive and now none of my kde applications work
[02:01] <endo602> can someone help me
[02:01] <endo602> ?
[02:04] <endo602> i believe the problem to be that i mounted the shared drive to /home/username
[02:04] <endo602> and not to /home/username/mnt
[02:04] <endo602> is there anyways i can change the mount location?
[02:04] <endo602> i cant access the konsole
[02:04] <endo602> should i restart from the terminal?
[02:06] <endo602> i dont want to restart the machine
[02:09] <endo602> :(
[02:10] <larsivi> Riddell: Hm, thanks. Just wanted to change to wintertime...
[02:10] <thoreauputic> endo602: can you access a tty?  ctrl-alt-F2 for instance
[02:10] <endo602> yes
[02:10] <endo602> thanks i got the terminal
[02:10] <thoreauputic> endo602: so umount the mount from there
[02:10] <endo602> yeah
[02:10] <endo602> will do 
[02:10] <endo602> is there a way to change my mount path?
[02:11] <ganymed> hallo.
[02:11] <endo602> now is there a way to get back to the dtop?
[02:11] <ganymed> how can i disable the time synchronization at start up?
[02:12] <thoreauputic> you can mount on any dir you like - but as you saw, mounting on your home dir just jams access to all the config in that place ( dot files etc)
[02:12] <endo602> can i do an smbumount?
[02:13] <thoreauputic> I don't use samba, but that sounds reasonable
[02:14] <endo602> cool
[02:14] <endo602> is there a way now to get back to my dtop?
[02:14] <thoreauputic> alt-F7 ?
[02:15] <thoreauputic> X normally runs on tty7
[02:15] <endo602> ok
[02:15] <endo602> i got an error
[02:15] <endo602> smbumount must be installed suid root
[02:16] <endo602> then i tried sudo smbumount
[02:16] <endo602> then it said 
[02:16] <endo602> couldnt umount /home/user: device or resource busy
[02:16] <thoreauputic> cd out of your home dir
[02:16] <thoreauputic> like  cd /
[02:17] <thoreauputic> then try again
[02:17] <thoreauputic> unless of course you have konq or something else acessing your home dir...
[02:17] <ganymed> or can anybody tell me, how the script for the time sync is called?
[02:17] <thoreauputic> in which case you need to kill it
[02:17] <thoreauputic> ganymed: ntpdate
[02:18] <endo602> gave me same error
[02:18] <endo602> how can i kill all
[02:18] <endo602> how do i see the processes
[02:18] <ganymed> thx
[02:18] <thoreauputic> endo602: do you have anything important running in X ?
[02:18] <endo602> nope
[02:18] <endo602> not at the moment
[02:18] <thoreauputic> then do  sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[02:19] <endo602> ok
[02:19] <thoreauputic> then run  lsof | grep  /home/youruser  to see what's keeping it busy if anything
[02:19] <endo602> now i got a blank screen
[02:19] <thoreauputic> login 
[02:20] <thoreauputic> you should be in tty 1
[02:20] <ganymed> maybe i miss something, but i have installed some gtk apps and they don't show up in the k-menu... can i change this?
[02:20] <endo602> nice
[02:20] <thoreauputic> Ok now try sudo smbumount or whatever
[02:20] <endo602> i did that grep 
[02:20] <thoreauputic> but make sure you cd to / or somewhere
[02:20] <endo602> there are process
[02:21] <endo602> bash
[02:21] <endo602> and lsof
[02:21] <endo602> that its
[02:21] <endo602> oh and grep
[02:21] <endo602> device or resrouce busy
[02:21] <thoreauputic> did you do  lsof | grep /home/youruser   ?
[02:21] <thoreauputic> the whole thing with the pipe
[02:22] <endo602> yes
[02:22] <endo602> there are 6 lines
[02:22] <thoreauputic> :|
[02:22] <endo602> bash
[02:22] <endo602> bash
[02:22] <endo602> bash
[02:22] <endo602> lsof
[02:22] <endo602> grep
[02:22] <thoreauputic> well that tells you what is using your home dir
[02:22] <endo602> lsof
[02:22] <endo602> can i kill those?
[02:22] <thoreauputic> you should see process numbers
[02:23] <endo602> yeah
[02:23] <libben> cant understsand why speedcrunch wont take , as a correct value. and wants . instead.
[02:23] <endo602> i do kill -9 #
[02:23] <thoreauputic> killing bash isn't advised ;)
[02:23] <endo602> ?
[02:23] <libben> its on teh numpad. and should be used as it.
[02:23] <thoreauputic> you don't do kill -9 unless kill fails :)
[02:24] <endo602> says no such process
[02:26] <thoreauputic> endo602: I can't stay much longer: you basically need to is=dentify what is keeping h emount point busyand kill that
[02:26] <thoreauputic> *identify
[02:26] <endo602> i tried
[02:26] <endo602> nothings is working
[02:26] <endo602> thanks for your help
[02:27] <thoreauputic> endo602: hmm - any reason you don't want to reboot? Might be the easiest way in this case
[02:27] <endo602> ill reboot
[02:27] <endo602> if it wont fuck up more
[02:27] <thoreauputic> I can't really help much on IRC
[02:28] <thoreauputic> just do   sudo shutdown -h now - that should unmount everything
[02:28] <endo602> shouldi reboot?
[02:28] <thoreauputic> or sudo shutdown -r
[02:28] <endo602> still busy
[02:28] <thoreauputic> *shrug* - it would be easier to reboot
[02:29] <endo602> ill reboot
[02:29] <endo602> should i go into recoverey mode?>
[02:29] <endo602>  in GRUB
[02:29] <endo602> then umount
[02:29] <thoreauputic> probably not 
[02:29] <thoreauputic> chances are it will just come up unmounted
[02:30] <thoreauputic> assuming you don't have an automount set in /etc/fstab
[02:30] <endo602> i do
[02:30] <endo602> that was part of the process
[02:30] <thoreauputic> then you need to edit fstab
[02:30] <endo602> but i can take that part out now
[02:30] <thoreauputic> yes
[02:30] <thoreauputic> comment it out, edit it later
[02:31] <endo602> how do i comment out?
[02:31] <thoreauputic> put a # mark 
[02:31] <thoreauputic> at the start of the fstab line
[02:31] <endo602> got that
[02:31] <endo602> now  i reboot?/
[02:31] <thoreauputic> yes - hope for th ebest - should work OK
[02:32] <endo602> thanks
[02:32] <thoreauputic> if you changed fstab
[02:32] <thoreauputic> you could try  sudo /etc/init.d/samba stop
[02:32] <ganymed> ciao
[02:33] <endo602> alrady rebooted
[02:33] <thoreauputic> endo602: OK - KDE come up alright?
[02:34] <endo602> waiting
[02:34] <endo602> loading 
[02:35] <endo602> loading alright
[02:35] <endo602> ok is up
[02:35] <endo602> what should i do now
[02:35] <endo602> ?
[02:36] <endo602> kde works great
[02:36] <thoreauputic> endo602: heh - you're on your own with samba - I use NFS only
[02:36] <endo602> ok
[02:36] <endo602> well ill try again
[02:36] <thoreauputic> endo602: at least you now know *not* to mount stuff on an important dir in use ;)
[02:36] <endo602> i learned that
[02:37] <thoreauputic> endo602: when you mount on $HOME all your dot files etc become inaccessible
[02:37] <thoreauputic> so no apps can find their configs for that user
[02:37] <endo602> yeah
[02:37] <endo602> i got that
[02:37] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:38] <endo602> well i am having a hard time mounting this to another folder :P
[02:38] <thoreauputic> endo602: I suggest using automount in fstab is  not a good idea until you get everything working properly
[02:39] <thoreauputic> even then... I never use it except for other partitions on my drive
[02:39] <endo602> everything orks
[02:39] <thoreauputic> OK - that's good :))
[02:39] <_manveru> quick question, how do i really kill all processes that start with 'nexuiz' ?
[02:40] <thoreauputic> _manveru: possibly  " pkill nexhuiz* "
[02:40] <endo602> nice
[02:40] <endo602> im golden
[02:40] <thoreauputic> with hthe wildcard..
[02:40] <_manveru> thoreauputic: thx, but they don't disappear...
[02:41] <thoreauputic> _manveru: hmm - well try  ps | grep nexhuiz* and kill the results
[02:42] <thoreauputic> erm ps aux | grep nexhuiz
[02:42] <thoreauputic> or whatever
[02:43] <indro> hi
[02:43] <_manveru> that's odd
[02:43] <_manveru> i can't find the processes with ps aux, but they are in top and ksysguard
[02:44] <indro> Is atmel chipset supported?
[02:44] <indro> i have siemens gigaset usb adapter 11
[02:44] <thoreauputic> manveru: you can kill from top with "k"
[02:45] <_manveru> thoreauputic: i tried that already... nothing happens when i do that
[02:45] <indro> ?
[02:45] <thoreauputic> _manveru: did youtry running   sudo top  ?
[02:45] <_manveru> indro: you better ask some hardware-database - what is this usb-adapter for?
[02:45] <thoreauputic> then your kill is done as root
[02:46] <indro> _manveru: its a wlan adapter
[02:46] <_manveru> woops
[02:46] <_manveru> wrong server i was on
[02:47] <_manveru> no, doesn't work...
[02:48] <_manveru> both normal kill [pid]  nor doing it with top as sudo
[02:48] <thoreauputic> _manveru: well, you mighthave to use  kill -KILL  , or  kill -9
[02:48] <indro> kill -9
[02:48] <_manveru> and how often should i do that?
[02:49] <thoreauputic> _manveru: just on the processes you need to kill :)
[02:49] <_manveru> manveru  17611  0.0  0.3  84576  1852 ?        DL   12:32   0:00 ./nexuiz-linux-x86-glx
[02:49] <_manveru> that's one of the processes i want to kill
[02:49] <_manveru> i say 'kill -9 17611'
[02:49] <_manveru> and nothing happens
[02:50] <thoreauputic> _manveru:  DL ? is it defunct ?
[02:50] <_manveru> what does DL mean?
[02:50] <ep> whats the difference between kwrite, kate and kedit?
[02:51] <indro> should siemens gigaset wlan 11 work or not? where i can see that?
[02:51] <thoreauputic> ep: kedit= basic kwrite= a bit more kate= the kitchen sink
[02:51] <_manveru> ep: they use the same engine (wich is kedit), but kwrite is for word-processing and kate for programming
[02:51] <_manveru> some of the processes are D and some are DL
[02:52] <thoreauputic> _manveru: do these processes dhow when you do   ps aux | grep Z   ? If so youhave zombies
[02:52] <thoreauputic> s/dhow/show
[02:52] <_manveru> they do
[02:53] <thoreauputic> you can't kill zombies
[02:53] <_manveru> uh
[02:53] <thoreauputic> bbut they do no harm generally
[02:53] <_manveru> holy water?
[02:53] <thoreauputic> hahah
[02:53] <thoreauputic> :D
[02:54] <_manveru> they use about 200MB of my VM
[02:54] <thoreauputic> jst forget about killing this stuf unless it's causing problems...
[02:54] <thoreauputic> what happens if you run sync ?
[02:54] <thoreauputic> (should write buffers to disk)
[02:55] <_manveru> nada
[02:56] <_manveru> well, i will open a graveyard...
[02:56] <thoreauputic> _manveru: is this affecting the running of your machine? If not, why bother about ti?
[02:56] <thoreauputic> *it
[02:56] <_manveru> well... i like to have control about my machine
[02:57] <thoreauputic> *sigh*
[02:57] <_manveru> ^^
[02:57] <_manveru> otherwise i could be running windows...
[02:57] <thoreauputic> the only way to get rid of zombies is a reboot or killing thier parent process
[02:57] <_manveru> wish is bash?
[02:57] <_manveru> -s+c
[02:58] <thoreauputic> killing bash isn't advised *grin*
[02:58] <thoreauputic> although aparticular instance of bash I guess...
[02:58] <_manveru> uh
[02:58] <_manveru> pstree says they are directly at init...
[02:58] <thoreauputic> hmmm
[02:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> reboot time ;)
[02:59] <_manveru> ^^
[02:59] <_manveru> well, i want to get this thing running before
[03:00] <_manveru> every time i want to run nexuiz i end up with a black screen and a zombie
[03:00] <thoreauputic> _manveru: sounds like you have bugs then
[03:00] <_manveru> getting rid of the black screen works with ctrl+alt+esc for xkill
[03:01] <_manveru> yeah...
[03:01] <_manveru> i'm getting fed up with tuxracer... i want to kill some bots
[03:04] <_manveru> is there a safe variant of ./ ?
[03:04] <_manveru> wich i can kill easily
[03:07] <_manveru> what exactly is ./ btw?
[03:08] <_manveru> always thought it means _this directory_
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> _manveru: the current directory
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> yehy. that as well i gues
[03:18] <fatbrain_> How can I add something to my default PATH?
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> fatbrain_: ask thoreauputic (sorry thoreauputic for dobbing you in, but i think you know this?)
[03:22] <thoreauputic> fatbrain_: depends if you want it system wide - in that case you do it in /etc/bash.bashrc
[03:22] <fatbrain_> I want to put it in my .bashrc
[03:22] <thoreauputic> fatbrain_: well then it's easy - you just add it to the PATH line
[03:23] <thoreauputic> so fo instance add :~/bin   or whatever
[03:23] <fatbrain_> I'm trying to locate my "PATH" line.
[03:24] <thoreauputic> fatbrain_:  type   echo $PATH
[03:24] <thoreauputic> then add that as an export in .bashrc , plus the extra bits
[03:24] <fatbrain_> yes, I see it
[03:25] <GeMMa> hi
[03:25] <fatbrain_> so, I just type "export /bleh/moo/:/newStuff"?
[03:25] <GeMMa> there
[03:25] <GeMMa> how to add repositories?
[03:25] <GeMMa> in kubuntu?
[03:25] <thoreauputic> fatbrain_: actually it is normally set in ~/.bash_profile
[03:26] <thoreauputic> fatbrain_:  less ~/.bash_profile to see
[03:26] <fatbrain_> thanks.
[03:26] <GeMMa> help 4 me please?
[03:26] <thoreauputic> !tell GeMMa about repos
[03:27] <thoreauputic> GeMMa: read the msg the bot sent you
[03:27] <GeMMa> ok 
[03:27] <GeMMa> tnx
[03:33] <GeMMa> sorry
[03:34] <GeMMa> but when trying to check other repositories it says thet're not supported
[03:34] <GeMMa> may i check them?
[03:34] <nalioth> GeMMa: debian binary repos are guaranteed to break your ubuntu
[03:35] <GeMMa> break
[03:35] <GeMMa> ?
[03:35] <GeMMa> can u be clearer?
[03:36] <nalioth> GeMMa: ubuntu is based on debian, not fully binary compatible
[03:36] <GeMMa> ok
[03:36] <GeMMa> so may i check those repos?
[03:36] <nalioth> check what repos?
[03:37] <GeMMa> when i do ->settings in synaptic
[03:37] <GeMMa> there is a list of  repos
[03:37] <GeMMa> some r dis-checked
[03:37] <GeMMa> when i check them
[03:38] <GeMMa> it says not supported but i can click ok
[03:38] <GeMMa> to go on
[03:38] <GeMMa> what d u say?
[03:39] <thoreauputic> GeMMa: just enable them
[03:39] <GeMMa> i choose ok
[03:39] <thoreauputic> they are fine (comunity supported)
[03:39] <thoreauputic> *community
[03:39] <GeMMa> despite not officially supported
[03:39] <GeMMa> right'
[03:39] <GeMMa> ?
[03:39] <thoreauputic> GeMMa: that just means canonical don't support them
[03:40] <nalioth> and add multiverse
[03:40] <thoreauputic> GeMMa: they are supported by the Universe team
[03:40] <thoreauputic> yes, add multiverse
[03:40] <GeMMa> ok
[03:40] <GeMMa> updatin
[03:40] <GeMMa> tnx
[03:41] <GeMMa> it gives me error 
[03:41] <GeMMa> cant find them
[03:42] <GeMMa> i try to search manually the links
[03:42] <GeMMa> am i right'
[03:42] <GeMMa> ?
[03:45] <nalioth> GeMMa: did ubotu send you a msg on adding repos?
[03:45] <GeMMa> error in links
[03:45] <GeMMa> italian links
[03:46] <GeMMa> they r wrong
[03:46] <GeMMa> yes
[03:46] <GeMMa> read
[03:50] <mhz> hi there
[03:52] <mhz> I am running Edubuntu (yes, it is ubuntu + apps for education). I demo it using GNOME, KDE, WindowMaker, Fluxbox and XFCE4.
[03:52] <arkaitz> helloooooo
[03:52] <mhz> hi arkaitz 
[03:53] <mhz> my doubt is why only some apps. run Spanish but KDE's dont.
[03:55] <stbain> mhz: did you run # sudo apt-get install language-pack-kde-es-base language-pack-kde-es
[03:56] <mhz> hmmm, let me check 'cos I did install some lang. packages, stbain 
[03:57] <stbain> if you "# sudo apt-cache search spanish", you'll find a whole mess of language related packages
[03:57] <mhz> stbain: yes, they are already there
[03:57] <mhz> :(
[03:57] <stbain> hrmm... got me. I'm guessing it's something you set in preferences.
[03:58] <mhz> hhhmmm, maybe u're right. I should start KDE and check prefs.
[03:58] <mhz> good idea
[03:58] <stbain> good luck
[03:58] <mhz> thx
[03:59] <mhz> I'll be back to let you know
[03:59] <mhz> bbl
[03:59] <GeMMa> why does adept seem better than synaptec?
[04:00] <GeMMa> in the first i found ktorrent
[04:00] <GeMMa> but not in secon one!
[04:01] <GeMMa> which one do u use ?
[04:02] <GeMMa> !tell GeMMa about repos
[04:02] <GeMMa> !tell GeMMa about torrent
[04:03] <GeMMa> !tell GeMMa about ktorrent
[04:03] <GeMMa> !tell GeMMa about navigator
[04:04] <GeMMa> do u use firefox or konqueror?
[04:05] <GeMMa> hey 
[04:05] <GeMMa> heloooooooooooooooooooooo
[04:05] <GeMMa> :
[04:06] <GeMMa> !tell GeMMa about amule
[04:06] <GeMMa> !tell GeMMa about *mule
[04:09] <GeMMa> !tell GeMMa about torrent
[04:09] <GeMMa> !tell GeMMa about ktorrent
[04:12] <noirequus> GeMMa: your nickname needs to be registered with nickserv
[04:12] <GeMMa> why?
[04:12] <noirequus> because registered nicknames have access to more services
[04:12] <GeMMa> that is?
[04:12] <noirequus> GeMMa: type /msg nickserv help register
[04:12] <GeMMa> make sm examples
[04:12] <GeMMa> type /msg nickserv help register
[04:12] <noirequus> ubotu: tell GeMMa about msg the bot
[04:13] <noirequus> talking with ubotu in a private message is a good reason
[04:13] <GeMMa> register
[04:14] <noirequus> type /msg nickserv register <YOUR PASSWORD HERE>
[04:14] <GeMMa> done?
[04:14] <GeMMa> !
[04:14] <ubotu> GeMMa: Wish i knew
[04:14] <GeMMa> ok 
[04:14] <GeMMa> tnx
[04:14] <GeMMa> now what can i do?
[04:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:14] <GeMMa> lol to u!
[04:14] <_xuniL> i cant unrar things...
[04:15] <libben> unrar x -y filname.rar
[04:15] <libben> but first sudo apt-get install unrar
[04:15] <GeMMa> !tell GeMMa about torrent
[04:15] <libben> and u must have universe and multi in sources
[04:16] <_xuniL> k libben i install the unrar-free
[04:16] <_xuniL> but i cant use ark to unrar it?
[04:17] <_xuniL> libben?
[04:19] <_xuniL> any one else know?
[04:21] <_xuniL> libben vere did you go!
[04:22] <libben> ?
[04:22] <libben> yeah
[04:22] <libben> unrar-free
[04:22] <libben> that one is good =)
[04:23] <_xuniL> well i installed it and it dont wokr..
[04:23] <_xuniL> not in console and noth with ark
[04:24] <libben> ?
[04:24] <_xuniL> well i cant pack up my rar file
[04:24] <libben> does unrar pops up when u hit tab? after typing unra
[04:24] <[GABRI] > [_maqbool] 
[04:25] <_xuniL> the unrar command i console dont work
[04:25] <_xuniL> bash:unrar:command not found
[04:25] <libben> then its not in path
[04:26] <libben> well it is.
[04:26] <_xuniL> but unrar-free works
[04:26] <libben> k
[04:26] <_xuniL> but it fails...
[04:27] <libben> unrar-nonfree i have installed
[04:27] <libben> thats the one
[04:27] <aitor> hi
[04:27] <_xuniL> k..
[04:28] <aitor> has anyone achieved to make digikam work after upgrading hoary to breezy?
[04:28] <_xuniL> is it in universe?
[04:28] <thoreauputic> _xuniL: multiverse
[04:28] <aitor> I had it working under hoary, but now it works nomore
[04:28] <aitor> :(
[04:28] <aitor> it connects to my cam, but is unable to download a single photo, even as root
[04:29] <aitor> gtkam does not work neither
[04:29] <aitor> and konqueror detects my camera, but is unable to get in it
[04:30] <aitor> any clue?
[04:30] <_xuniL> aitor installed driveR?
[04:30] <aitor> in hoary I had no driver installed, i think
[04:31] <_xuniL> libben cant find unrar-nonfree....
[04:32] <thoreauputic> !info unrar-nonfree
[04:32] <ubotu> unrar-nonfree: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section multiverse/utils, is optional. Version: 3.4.3-1build1 (breezy), Packaged size: 83 kB, Installed size: 216 kB
[04:32] <thoreauputic> _xuniL: as I told you, it's in multiverse
[04:32] <_xuniL> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/410972
[04:32] <_xuniL> mu sources.list
[04:32] <aitor> thing is digikam detects the camera, it connects to it, and show a listing of the photos in the camera, but can not show any photograph or download them
[04:33] <_xuniL> shouldent it work..
[04:33] <aitor> even if I do gksudo digikam and access it as root
[04:33] <thoreauputic> _xuniL: comment out backports and add multiverse   to each unverse line
[04:33] <aitor> so I think it's not a permission issue
[04:34] <thoreauputic> _xuniL: your sources list is wrong
[04:34] <aitor> upgrading from hoary to breezy has only brought me problems I'm afraid
[04:34] <_xuniL> make changes in the http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/410972 how it sohuld be
[04:36] <_xuniL> how you done it?
[04:36] <aitor> apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade (after changing repositories to breezy)
[04:37] <aitor> since then the media:/ link in konqueror shows no devices
[04:37] <aitor> usb devices no longer automount
[04:37] <thoreauputic> _xuniL: please read what I told you above
[04:37] <thoreauputic> _xuniL: comment out backports and add multiverse   to each unverse line
[04:37] <aitor> I had to fight over my ati graphic card again to get my 3d back
[04:37] <aitor> and so :(
[04:39] <aitor> but now I think it would be worse to downgrade than to fix the problems
[04:40] <_xuniL> like this? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/410984
[04:40] <aitor> thing is, hoary didn't detect my camera's model, so I used USB generic
[04:40] <aitor> but breezy detects my kodak dx7590 exactly
[04:40] <aitor> I'm puzzled with it not working 
[04:41] <_xuniL> thoreauputic is this righT? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/410984?
[04:41] <thoreauputic> looking
[04:41] <_xuniL> k
[04:42] <thoreauputic> _xuniL: looks OK - now run sudo apt-get update
[04:42] <thoreauputic> you shouldn't have any errors
[04:42] <_xuniL> k
[04:43] <_xuniL> thx
[04:43] <[GABRI] > [maqbool_] 
[04:43] <_xuniL> hope it works now
[04:43] <thoreauputic> now you should be able to find unrar-nonfree
[04:44] <_xuniL> works perfekt :D
[04:47] <thoreauputic> _xuniL: :D
[04:47] <[GABRI] > [_maqbool] 
[04:48] <thoreauputic> [GABRI] : umm - do you have anything on-topic to say ?
[04:49] <mhz> stbain: yes, indeed
[04:49] <mhz> i needed to start KDE and set regional settings
[04:49] <mhz> :)
[04:49] <mhz> stbain: thanks
[04:52] <zerotime> hi, how can I install ati fglrx drivers succesfully in a kubuntu breezy 5.10 64bit? I have tried many stuff, without success
[04:54] <aitor> being an ati card....try making some kind of human sacrifice and praising to some hell lord
[04:54] <aitor> lol
[04:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:55] <zerotime> can someone point me to a working tutorial on installing fglrx in kubuntu breezy 5.10 64bit?
[04:55] <zerotime> I had my debian, gentoo and other distros np, this is giving me a lot of issues
[04:55] <zerotime> need some advice
[04:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> aitor: konw any more then human sacrifice?
[04:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. try ubotu
[04:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell me about fglrx
[04:56] <zerotime> !tell me about fglrx
[04:57] <aitor> zero, have you tried installing xorg-driver-fglrx package?
[04:57] <smi|e> zerotime whats the problem
[04:57] <zerotime> it is installed supossedly
[04:57] <smi|e> ubotu tell zerotime about fglrx
[04:57] <aitor> after installing it
[04:57] <aitor> do
[04:57] <aitor> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:57] <aitor> and choose flgrx as driver
[04:58] <aitor> with my ati 9500 worked
[04:58] <smi|e> can i run a printer on ubuntu
[04:58] <aitor> smi|e, that's what cups is for
[04:58] <smi|e> aitor whats cups
[04:58] <aitor> common unix printing system
[04:58] <thoreauputic> smi|e: assuming it's supported - most are
[04:58] <aitor> go to the control panel
[04:58] <smi|e> its a xerox
[04:58] <aitor> and in peripherals, go to printers
[04:59] <jpetso> I got a problem with the media:/ kioslave
[04:59] <jpetso> It shows only removable media, but not my internal harddisk partitions
[04:59] <aitor> same problem here
[04:59] <aitor> no idea how to solve it
[05:00] <aitor> with hoary it worked flawlessly
[05:00] <jpetso> ...where I could add that:
[05:00] <jpetso> 1. it works on other installations that I've done the last few days
[05:00] <jpetso> and 2. I entered /media/mountpoint also for the internal hds at installation time
[05:00] <jpetso> I changed them to /mnt afterwards, but no use
[05:01] <zerotime> the problem is that I cant find fglrx-driver
[05:01] <zerotime> if I do a search 
[05:01] <zerotime> apt-cache search fglrx
[05:02] <zerotime> I only get the following
[05:02] <zerotime> xserver-xorg-driver-ati - X.Org X server -- ATI driver
[05:02] <zerotime> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-9-amd64-generic - Non-free Linux 2.6.12 modules on x86_64 generic
[05:03] <zerotime> I got installed the restricted modules, but I cant find xorg-driver-fglrx
[05:03] <aitor> mhmm
[05:03] <aitor> have you enabled universe repositories?
[05:03] <zerotime> yes
[05:03] <aitor> as far as I know, fglrx are propietary drivers, so they should be in universe/multiverse
[05:04] <aitor> puzzling
[05:04] <aitor> apt-cache search fglrx finds nothing?
[05:04] <zerotime> the 2 results 
[05:04] <zerotime>  xserver-xorg-driver-ati
[05:05] <zerotime> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-9-amd64-generic
[05:06] <aitor> grab my sources.list
[05:06] <aitor> with apt-cache search fglrx i find more, including xorg-driver-fglrx
[05:06] <zerotime> please, cut and paste, must fix dcc problem here
[05:06] <aitor> ok
[05:06] <aitor> I'll query you then
[05:06] <zerotime> perfect
[05:08] <zerotime> aitor, 
[05:09] <aitor> oh the fuck...
[05:09] <aitor> as my nick's not registered, it doesn't allow me to send queries
[05:09] <aitor> give me a mail and I'll send it
[05:09] <zerotime> zzzerotime@hotmail.com
[05:09] <zerotime> thx very much
[05:11] <aitor> sent
[05:11] <aitor> hope it works
[05:11] <aitor> ATI's support fot linux is really poor
[05:12] <zerotime> I know
[05:12] <aitor> next card I buy will surely be an nVidia
[05:12] <pipe> Donde puedo encontrar IRC de Kubuntu en Espaol?
[05:13] <jpatrick> pipe: #kubuntu-es
[05:13] <aitor> pipe, has probado en el irc-hispano?
[05:13] <pipe> Gracias
[05:13] <jpatrick> aitor: irc-hispano is weird
[05:13] <aitor> yeah, I know
[05:14] <aitor> but is, you know, hispano
[05:14] <aitor> lol
[05:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:14] <aitor> think it would be the best place to find a spanish channel
[05:14] <jpatrick> aitor: I've heard the people there are..... odd
[05:14] <aitor> yeah
[05:15] <aitor> they think they're cool hackers and all thos shit
[05:15] <zerotime> zerotime@kubuntubox:~$ apt-cache search fglrx
[05:15] <zerotime> xserver-xorg-driver-ati - X.Org X server -- ATI driver
[05:15] <zerotime> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-9-amd64-generic - Non-free Linux 2.6.12 modules on x86_64 generic
[05:15] <aitor> zerotime, have you done apt-get update?
[05:15] <zerotime> yeah
[05:15] <zerotime> twice
[05:16] <zerotime> 2 veces
[05:16] <zerotime> :)
[05:16] <aitor> It's really strange :S
[05:16] <zerotime> tell me about it
[05:16] <aitor> I won't paste here my apt-cache search fglrx output, too big and will flood
[05:16] <aitor> but
[05:16] <aitor> xorg-driver-fglrx - Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators
[05:16] <aitor> xorg-driver-fglrx-dev - Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators (devel files)
[05:16] <aitor> fglrx-kernel-source - ATI binary kernel module source
[05:16] <aitor> this is a part of it
[05:17] <aitor> with the sources.list I've sent you
[05:17] <aitor> you're under breezy?
[05:19] <zerotime> yes
[05:19] <zerotime> breezy
[05:20] <zerotime> 64 bit
[05:20] <aitor> computers, such a rational science lol
[05:20] <aitor> I just can't understand why it can't find results for you 
[05:20] <zerotime> I think it is because of the 64 bit
[05:20] <aitor> maybe....
[05:20] <aitor> I'm running 32 bits
[05:20] <zerotime> there must be no 64 bit package
[05:21] <aitor> a poor old athlong xp 2400 +
[05:21] <aitor> athlon
[05:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> poor old?
[05:21] <aitor> lol
[05:21] <zerotime> not bad, I used to have that
[05:21] <aitor> two years old
[05:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> aitor: yeh, i have a P4 2.4 :)
[05:21] <aitor> I want to upgrade it to a 3200 amd 64
[05:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> runs vim realy well :D
[05:22] <aitor> but my bank account says otherwise
[05:22] <aitor> lol
[05:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:22] <aitor> with all that pcx stuff, new motherboard, new graphic card, new mproccessor
[05:22] <aitor> too much euros lol
[05:23] <aitor> It will last for a while
[05:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. think aobut how much that is in aussie dollars ;)
[05:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> almost 2x what you pay
[05:23] <aitor> wtf?
[05:23] <aitor> why so?
[05:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> perhaps +50%
[05:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> exchange rate
[05:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> or something :|
[05:23] <aitor> oh my god :S
[05:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> :S
[05:24] <aitor> I had a dx2-66 486 :D
[05:24] <aitor> lasted for a couple of years
[05:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure what mine is , i asume it's a dx
[05:24] <aitor> till I discovered overclocking
[05:24] <aitor> lol
[05:25] <zerotime> I wonder what's the point on installing 64 bit edition of kubuntu when you get no flash, and no 3d acceleration
[05:25] <aitor> sure...still need development
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> zerotime: same here :D
[05:25] <zerotime> I am going to download 586 
[05:25] <zerotime> I give up
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> and you don't get 'no' flash, you just have to perform voodoo and mystic rituals to make it work
[05:25] <_nemo> anyone know about installing "amsn" from cvs?
[05:25] <aitor> so what's the point then in buying 64bits proccessors?
[05:26] <zerotime> exactly
[05:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> aitor: right now? Epenis
[05:26] <zerotime> nothing
[05:26] <aitor> I imagine a 64 bits proccessor working as a 32 bits one will work even worse than its frec equivalent
[05:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, it doestn
[05:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> thankfully
[05:27] <aitor> real 32 bit mode then?
[05:27] <aitor> no emulation?
[05:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep. 
[05:28] <aitor> I read somethings about emulation
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> lots of effort went into it
[05:28] <aitor> well, then is a "future" investment
[05:28] <zerotime> they support 32 bit out of the box
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> amd64s can do a full 32 bit CPU natively
[05:28] <zerotime> no emulation 
[05:28] <aitor> if there can be something as "future" in computer industry
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> Intel em64t has some parts that are emulated IIRC
[05:28] <zerotime> hahahaha
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> aitor: yeh
[05:28] <zerotime> nice words aitor
[05:28] <aitor> I'll think twice then before upgrading my boy
[05:28] <zerotime> hey 
[05:29] <zerotime> is there a kubuntu breezy netinstall?
[05:29] <zerotime> iso cd, or whatever
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> zerotime: i expect so, but i havent used it
[05:29] <aitor> I think so, but can't assure it, I upgraded from hoary
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> zerotime: you can probably use the Ubuntu network install cd and just install a base ssytem
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> then install Kubuntu-desktop
[05:29] <zerotime> yeah
[05:30] <zerotime> well, I just wondered if it would be faster to download whole cd, or netinstall cd and have everything updated 
[05:30] <zerotime> once system is fully installe
[05:30] <zerotime> d
[05:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> zerotime: hm.
[05:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> probably about the same
[05:31] <aitor> http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[05:31] <zerotime> I am downloading already, with 1 mb line speed it takes an hour and a half for 650 mb
[05:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. got to suck zerotime < end sarcasm>
[05:32] <aitor> more or less
[05:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[05:32] <aitor> if you get a nice server response
[05:32] <zerotime> 106 KB/sec
[05:33] <aitor> well guys, gotta go now
[05:33] <zerotime> vale aitor
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> later aitor :)
[05:33] <zerotime> c ya
[05:33] <aitor> c ya
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> later mat4e
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> loool
[05:33] <zerotime> hahaha aitor beer, 
[05:34] <aitor_beer> gotta go and drink some belgian beer :D
[05:34] <aitor_beer> bye!
[05:34] <zerotime> hahaha
[05:34] <zerotime> gotta drink beer
[05:34] <zerotime> hahaha
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> late mate. bastard :P
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> blue shift - 1% to go :|
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> i should be in bed by 3 am
[05:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> *3 30 am
[05:50] <lancellor> hello??? anyone
[05:51] <usrx> hi
[05:51] <lancellor> how is your day 
[05:51] <usrx> just woke up...waiting for my coffee
[05:52] <lancellor> cool 
[05:52] <strusberg> lancellor: Hi
[05:52] <lancellor> i don't see many people on this channel
[05:52] <usrx> lots here
[05:52] <usrx> their just mostly idling
[05:52] <usrx> *they're
[05:52] <strusberg> or just reading...
[05:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh. some have a good reason :)
[05:53] <lancellor> i just to have ubuntu installed but oilike the looks of kfde better
[05:53] <lancellor> imean kde
[05:53] <icewt> then install kubuntu
[05:56] <lancellor> i i'm using kubuntu now i 'm almost set up with it
[05:56] <lancellor> really nice
[05:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> night all
[05:57] <strusberg> I'm using kubuntu too now. But some "parts" are missing: ie Mozilla, Thunderbird.
[05:57] <_yasser> kmail is there......
[05:58] <icewt> and konqueror
[05:58] <strusberg> yes.
[05:58] <lancellor> strusberg: just download   sudo apt-get install thunderbird firefox etc,
[05:59] <strusberg> Thks, No problem. I have installed.
[05:59] <strusberg> Also,I installed xchat, however konversartion is nice.
[06:00] <lancellor> forthe kde ekperts how i make kde to show the navigation panel when i strt konqueror
[06:01] <sampan> lancellor, do you have it showing now?
[06:01] <sampan> the nav panel, that is
[06:01] <lancellor> yes
[06:01] <mth`MAW> Hi I have one more question
[06:01] <lancellor> shoul i save my profile??
[06:01] <sampan> then save the current settings as a profile
[06:01] <sampan> yeah
[06:02] <lancellor> thanks i just tought a bout it
[06:02] <sampan> you can add the nav panel button to a toolbar too :)
[06:02] <mth`MAW> Does anybody know something about feeding an shoutcast server with a viodeo from a linux client?!
[06:02] <lancellor> perfect thanks
[06:03] <sampan> sure 
[06:04] <lancellor> hey you guys you know windowz is comming with office for linux???
[06:04] <stratovarius> guys I have some problems with my video card drivers (nvidia tnt2) when I enable  sudo nvidia-glx-config enable and I reboot session,kdm and kde doesnt work.who can help me pls?
[06:05] <lancellor> did you change the nv to nvidia?
[06:05] <stratovarius> yes
[06:05] <stratovarius> in xorg conf
[06:05] <lancellor> what do you guys think about the office for linux
[06:05] <stratovarius> may u sebd ne the command line to configure xorg so I check If i changed nv with nvidia?
[06:06] <stratovarius> *send
[06:08] <lancellor> can you log in in to x
[06:08] <stratovarius> imin x
[06:09] <stratovarius> im in to x
[06:09] <stratovarius> I disabled sudo-nvidia-glk-conf
[06:09] <|mp|> q: when using NFS on partition X, is partition X then mounted also in the normal (etc/fstab) way on host machine?
[06:10] <lancellor> try sudo kedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf    and check if you have  nvidia  
[06:11] <jpatrick> lancellor: kdesu kwrite...
[06:11] <lancellor> yea
[06:14] <lancellor> se ya guys..
[06:14] <stratovarius> lancellor im not able to see If I have nvidia.may u take a look here pls?http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3836
[06:15] <lancellor> on the section device
[06:16] <stratovarius> Section "Device"
[06:16] <stratovarius>         Identifier      "NVIDIA Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64$
[06:16] <stratovarius>         Driver          "nv"
[06:16] <stratovarius>         BusID           "PCI:1:0:0"
[06:16] <lancellor> you have      Driver          "nv"
[06:16] <lancellor> you should have     Driver          "nvidia"
[06:16] <jpatrick> stratovarius: tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[06:16] <stratovarius> lancellor I tried to change nv with nvidia in xorg but if I return in xorg drivers are always nv
[06:16] <stratovarius> jpatrick yes I did
[06:17] <lancellor> tried changing wait
[06:17] <stratovarius> what?
[06:18] <stratovarius> I changed nv with nvidia drivers 4 x
[06:18] <lancellor> check here  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75074
[06:19] <lancellor> and go all the way down to sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and you see how yours supposeed to look
[06:20] <stratovarius> lancellor I use kde that guide is 4 gnome
[06:21] <lancellor> check this is what i did and install my nvidia drivers no problem
[06:21] <stratovarius> k tnx
[06:22] <lancellor> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66563 
[06:23] <lancellor> this automatix works in kubuntu i just tried just make sure you install this first    sudo apt-get install zenity gksu gnome-terminal
[06:24] <lancellor> and select what you need in this case nvidia drivers you my find something else you may need there
[06:24] <lancellor> it worked for me i just finish settin g up my sytem 
[06:25] <lancellor> don't select gamepad the only thing did not worked for me
[06:26] <stratovarius> lancellor I didnt understand what automatix needs me
[06:27] <Knowerrors> Hey all, whats this mean: "Unpacking w32codecs (from w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb) ... dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) dpkg: error processing w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb (--install): short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/lib/win32/QuickTimeInternetExtras.qtx')" ?
[06:27] <stratovarius> im now downloading nvidia drivers thx to the link in the guide u gave me
[06:28] <kkathman> Hello all :)
[06:28] <lancellor> will install and setup the nvidia drivers for you since i just nstall kubuntu from scratch that save a lot of time is really cool on this you select what you want does not install everything
[06:28] <lancellor> just what you select
[06:29] <stratovarius> lancellor after I installed sudo apt-get install zenity gksu gnome-terminal what should I do?
[06:30] <stratovarius> (sorry im a newbie :D)
[06:30] <lancellor> download the script
[06:30] <lancellor> bottom right corner
[06:30] <stratovarius> in what way can I download the script?
[06:31] <lancellor> just click on it
[06:31] <lancellor> and save it on the dektop
[06:32] <lancellor> or wherever
[06:32] <lancellor> it is a tar.gz
[06:32] <stratovarius> mmm sorry I didnt understand. where can I download automatix?
[06:32] <lancellor> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66563
[06:34] <troy> hey, does anyone know of any good but simple online point-of-sale software?
[06:34] <stratovarius> tar xzf automatix-breezy_v2.15.tar.gz
[06:34] <stratovarius> cd Automatix
[06:34] <stratovarius> ./install
[06:34] <stratovarius> do I have to do this to install automatix? 
[06:34] <lancellor> yes
[06:34] <lancellor> you have breezy??
[06:34] <stratovarius> yes
[06:34] <lancellor> just making sure
[06:35] <lancellor> and go to kde menu -system-graphical installer
[06:36] <lancellor> should be and icon there
[06:36] <stratovarius> k thx
[06:36] <lancellor> click on theicon and follow the instrucions
[06:37] <lancellor> just don't select game pad did not work for me eveything else worked just fine you my find something interesting there
[06:37] <lancellor> let me know what happen
[06:39] <lancellor> you are goint to reatart the computer there are things are just for gnome youll see
[06:39] <lancellor> you should read the tred
[06:40] <stratovarius> tar: automatix-breezy_v2.15.tar.gz: Impossibile open: No such file or directory
[06:40] <stratovarius> lancellor: 
[06:41] <stratovarius> if I give tar xzf automatix-breezy_v2.15.tar.gz it says me  tar: automatix-breezy_v2.15.tar.gz: Impossibile open: No such file or directory
[06:41] <_linus> hi all
[06:41] <lancellor> just do right click extract here
[06:42] <stratovarius> lacellor; I have no tar with than name
[06:42] <stratovarius> *that
[06:42] <lancellor> ok first you have to cd to the desktop or folder where you download the file
[06:43] <lancellor> when you download it  where did you put it 
[06:43] <lancellor> in home ,desktop 
[06:43] <stratovarius> lancellor sossy I find it
[06:43] <stratovarius> *sorry
[06:43] <stratovarius> *found
[06:43] <lancellor> ok right click extraxt here is the easy way
[06:44] <lancellor> whats up _linus
[06:45] <stratovarius> lancellor: I nistalled it. do I have to go in system tools?
[06:46] <lancellor>  go to kde menu -system-graphical installer
[06:46] <lancellor> you should see and icon
[06:47] <stratovarius> lacellor I have no link in kde menu -system-graphical installer
[06:47] <stratovarius> *lancellor
[06:47] <lancellor> did you do ./install
[06:47] <stratovarius> yes
[06:48] <lancellor> graphical installer script (automatix) should be on system
[06:49] <stratovarius> after ./install it said me automatix has been installed in appliations-system tools
[06:49] <lancellor> did you find it??
[06:50] <stratovarius> no
[06:50] <lancellor> weird
[06:52] <stratovarius> cant we use the command line to find it?
[06:52] <kkathman> stratovarius: cant you do a "whereis" from the command line?
[06:53] <stratovarius> lancellor automatix: /usr/bin/automatix /usr/bin/X11/automatix /usr/local/automatix
[06:53] <stratovarius> thx kk
[06:53] <kkathman> stratovarius: now just create a desktop link to it
[06:53] <stratovarius> how to?
[06:53] <kkathman> right click desktop
[06:54] <kkathman> create new ... link to application
[06:54] <stratovarius> then
[06:55] <kkathman> fill the info out on the wizard
[06:55] <lancellor> kkathman: Thanks for your help
[06:55] <kkathman> not a prob...glad to meet you lancellor  :)
[06:56] <stratovarius> sorry guys /usr/bin/automatix /usr/bin/X11/automatix /usr/local/automatix is the full path of the automatix?
[06:56] <kkathman> stratovarius:  the key is the last tab... just put in the name of the app in the top two fields, then browse to that path you found 
[06:56] <kkathman> stratovarius: no...just the/usr/bin/automatix
[06:56] <lancellor> I'm just and other newbie after been succesfull with a tweak like to share 
[06:56] <kkathman> but you need to put it in single quotes
[06:57] <kkathman> I'd just browse for it and then choose it
[06:57] <kkathman> that way it gets in there correctly
[06:57] <lancellor> i'm going to shower i'm going to go to the movies to see DOOM 
[06:57] <kkathman> kewl
[06:57] <lancellor> Yeah
[06:57] <kkathman> I want to see that :)
[06:58] <stratovarius> thx lancellor
[06:58] <stratovarius> thx kk
[06:58] <kkathman> np
[06:58] <lancellor> is sunday you know wife day
[06:58] <lancellor> ill come back in like 20 minutes to ee how it went
[07:01] <kkathman> lol
[07:12] <[miles] > evening #kubuntu
[07:13] <[miles] > I've been using SuSE for years... and just trying out Kubuntu for my desktop
[07:13] <[miles] > I'm just trying to get to grips with it's package management system atm
[07:13] <_manveru> hey miles :)
[07:13] <[miles] > I urgently need to Luma
[07:13] <[miles] > hi _manveru 
[07:14] <[miles] > I did a search via Adept... but not there...
[07:14] <_manveru> luma, what is that?
[07:14] <[miles] > LDAP client / editor
[07:14] <_manveru> ah, have it
[07:14] <_manveru> !luma
[07:14] <ubotu> _manveru: Not a clue
[07:14] <_manveru> guess it's in multiverse
[07:15] <icewt> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/utils/luma
[07:15] <_manveru> ok, do a 'sudo [editorofyourchoice]  /etc/apt/sources.list'
[07:15] <[miles] > one sec..
[07:15] <_manveru> oh, in universe
[07:15] <[miles] > ok
[07:15] <[miles] > im there
[07:15] <_manveru> ok
[07:15] <_manveru> now search a line where universe is
[07:16] <[miles] > deb http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted
[07:16] <[miles] > thats my first line
[07:16] <_manveru> should be two
[07:16] <_manveru> one with src
[07:16] <_manveru> uncomment both
[07:16] <_manveru> save the file
[07:16] <[miles] > ahh I get it!
[07:16] <[miles] > nice one
[07:16] <_manveru> and do a 'sudo apt-get update'
[07:16] <jesusfish> there any gam_server fixes yet?
[07:17] <[miles] > _manveru: im doing all that stuff via Adept :)
[07:17] <_manveru> oh :)
[07:17] <[miles] > ;-P
[07:17] <_manveru> never got used to that
[07:17] <[miles] > jeje
[07:17] <_manveru> but well, i'm coming from debian
[07:17] <[miles] > well, for me, I use YaST2 via console most of the time
[07:18] <_manveru> yeah...
[07:18] <_manveru> i got sick of suse after some years
[07:18] <[miles] > well, for the server stuff we churn out, we stick with SuSE
[07:18] <hoaxer> ehh :/ my compiler crazy 
[07:18] <_manveru> yeap, it is fine to configure stuff
[07:19] <[miles] > sure
[07:19] <[miles] > SuSE does it for me for servers
[07:19] <_manveru> but i never understood how everything works
[07:19] <_manveru> their x-config utility is outstanding
[07:20] <[miles] > anyone with a little SuSE knowledge who could tell me the eqv. of doing a YOU in Kubuntu?
[07:20] <_manveru> cron
[07:20] <[miles] > lol
[07:21] <[miles] > mmm no skype package...
[07:21] <_manveru> !skype
[07:21] <ubotu> skype is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:21] <rikva> I run Breezy Badger, I have 2 soundcards, and I can't use both of them to record. I can hear myself in the speakers when I talk into the microphone. Mic is selected as capture device. Capture is on. Any suggestions?
[07:21] <[miles] > _manveru: !skype?
[07:21] <[miles] > whats with the !
[07:21] <_manveru> it's for ubotu
[07:22] <_manveru> our channelbot in charge
[07:22] <_manveru> he knows stuff about almost everything
[07:22] <[miles] > jeje
[07:22] <[miles] > ok
[07:22] <apokryphos> [miles] : depends; try us.
[07:22] <apokryphos> (re: the SuSE equivalent, that is)
[07:23] <[miles] > apokryphos: Well, with SuSE, for eg: I install a package (rpm) via YaST2...
[07:23] <[miles] > apokryphos: when I want to upgrade packages installed, I do a YOU (YaST2 Online Update)
[07:23] <apokryphos> [miles] : which is the biggest hassle ever! Annoying
[07:23] <_manveru> brb...
[07:23] <apokryphos> [miles] : there's an adept-updater you can use
[07:23] <[miles] > ok
[07:24] <apokryphos> one thing that really annoyed me about suse was how slow it was to get the packaging system up; even using the CLI tool (I forget what it is), would take ages
[07:24] <apokryphos> and then all those SuSE config things had to be run after installing _every_ package -- a bit of a joke.
[07:24] <[miles] > nod
[07:24] <[miles] > true
[07:25] <apokryphos> but I won't take away SuSE's strenghts -- it is, from my experience, certainly the most polished distro. Very sweet in that sense.
[07:25] <apokryphos> but the repositories is a clear issue (especially after from coming from debian-based)
[07:25] <[miles] > yes
[07:26] <[miles] > I must admit, I am a v e r y hardend SuSE user... and to swap to any other distro, it would have to be super shit hot
[07:27] <apokryphos> My distro switchin' days are over, at least for some time now. Simply don't have the effort to learn a distro all over again (though it used to be a hobbie of mine); part of the reason I didn't stick with SuSE when I tried it out a few weeks ago
[07:28] <[miles] > Well, I've been heavily working with SuSE for near 6 years 
[07:28] <[miles] > let's see what impression Kubuntu leaves me with :)
[07:28] <orangey> apokryphos: well, suse has always been the most needy!
[07:28] <[miles] > right, I must run to a box in wall
[07:28] <apokryphos> [miles] : it's worth giving kubuntu a good shot (really). The wiki is good for helping you start, and you can of course ask any questions in here
[07:28] <[miles] > I will!
[07:28] <[miles] > :)
[07:28] <[miles] > thanks for you help guys
[07:28] <[miles] > bbiab
[07:28] <apokryphos> you'll get more out of it if you're well-versed with Linux (which I imagine you are)
[07:29] <orangey> For me, I went from gentoo to kubuntu.. I basically wanted all the newest packages, but not the compile time.
[07:29] <orangey> apokryphos: do you think "openSUSE" is gonna fix the pack problem for suse?
[07:29] <apokryphos> then debian-based systems is pretty much the way to go
[07:29] <apokryphos> Nope, but it's great to have OpenSuSE
[07:30] <orangey> apokryphos: well, debian unstable is a terrible experience.
[07:30] <apokryphos> I imagine they have a difference in the way of approach. Yast probably speaks about that
[07:30] <orangey> apokryphos: I did that for a few years, and never again.
[07:30] <apokryphos> orangey: why years, then? ;-)
[07:30] <orangey> apokryphos: it was a server, not my main systme.
[07:30] <orangey> apokryphos: plus, I came from Slackware.
[07:30] <orangey> : )
[07:30] <apokryphos> I tend to not stick with distros for more than a week when I can't stand them
[07:30] <apokryphos> ok, I see
[07:30] <_ubuntu> lmao
[07:31] <orangey> apokryphos: I like giving things a chance.
[07:31] <apokryphos> sure; a week is long enough :P
[07:31] <_ubuntu> is kde faster or slower than gnome? ram wise
[07:31] <orangey> I used slack from 95ish (I think?) till 1998, then debian till 2001, then mandrake.
[07:31] <slow-motion> hallo
[07:31] <apokryphos> when you've tried out other distros it's more a case of "what's their equivalent of...". The joy comes in finding new things the other didn't have
[07:31] <apokryphos> though it's painful finding a really useful tool doesn't exist :-O. Like I didn't see anything like build-dep on suse
[07:32] <orangey> my server still uses mandrake, but my laptop went mandrake > gentoo > kubuntu
[07:32] <apokryphos> orangey: I wished through mandrake, fedora, suse, debian and then ubuntu in about a year :)
[07:32] <orangey> I haven't used any distro less than a year.
[07:32] <_ubuntu> is kde faster or slower than gnome? ram wise
[07:32] <apokryphos> tried out Gentoo a bit, since it was my brother's comp, but there realised it wasn't really for me, suffice it to say.
[07:32] <orangey> I think it gives me good depth.
[07:32] <orangey> _ubuntu: probably the same?
[07:32] <apokryphos> _ubuntu: kde of course :P. Well, always depends on who you ask. I can't imagine an objective benchmark test
[07:32] <orangey> apokryphos: gentoo is wonerful.
[07:32] <orangey> wonderful, even.
[07:33] <apokryphos> :-O
[07:33] <orangey> apokryphos: if I could have gentoo without the compile times, I would.
[07:33] <_ubuntu> orangey: nope i doubt they are the same?
[07:33] <apokryphos> I hate what they do to kde packs, though the whole methodology I find troublesome
[07:33] <frank23> _ubuntu: I'm pretty sure kde uses more ram
[07:33] <_ubuntu> I heard that gnome uses more ram but kde uses more cpu
[07:33] <_ubuntu> lol
[07:33] <orangey> apokryphos: why?
[07:33] <frank23> _ubuntu: but if you have enough ram, kde is great!
[07:33] <apokryphos> _ubuntu: don't trust whatever anyone says, pretty much.
[07:33] <_ubuntu> frank23: i have 256 lmao
[07:33] <apokryphos> orangey: which part?
[07:33] <kalenedrael> 256 is fine.
[07:34] <_ubuntu> kalenedrael: 256 mb of ram for kde? gnome runs really sluggish on it
[07:34] <icewt> i have 256MB of ram and kde works much faster than gnome for me
[07:34] <_ubuntu> o really :o
[07:34] <_ubuntu> is it usable?
[07:35] <icewt> yes
[07:35] <_ubuntu> how many apps do you run?
[07:35] <icewt> works just fine
[07:35] <icewt> it depends
[07:36] <_ubuntu> oh uhm
[07:36] <frank23> _ubuntu: the number of apps isn't relevant. I'm sure I can run 400 instances of xclock without problem
[07:36] <_ubuntu> of xlock maybe
[07:36] <_ubuntu> rofl
[07:36] <_ubuntu> but 10 firefox tabs
[07:36] <_ubuntu> ?
[07:37] <icewt> i mostly use konqueror
[07:37] <_ubuntu> oh god
[07:38] <_ubuntu> kde is nice though.. way nicer than gnome but not as simple
[07:38] <icewt> because it works much faster than firefox ever did on gnome, and it's mostly enough for my needs
[07:39] <_ubuntu> im using the kubuntu live cd atm
[07:39] <_ubuntu> lol
[07:39] <_ubuntu> icewt: are you shure kde is faster than gnome? its soo much prettier ^^
[07:40] <icewt> _ubuntu: on my machine it is clearly faster
[07:41] <_ubuntu> what processor do you have?
[07:41] <icewt> Duron 1,2GHz
[07:41] <_ubuntu> i myself have an athlon xp 2000
[07:42] <_ubuntu> how much faster is it than gnome really?
[07:43] <icewt> er.. i don't know how to say it more precisely ;)
[07:43] <icewt> but with gnome i was starting to think about upgrading my computer..
[07:44] <kkathman> frank23: 400 instances of xclock????
[07:45] <kkathman> lol
[07:45] <_ubuntu> xclock is such a system hog!!1 omg
[07:45] <_ubuntu> :D
[07:45] <_ubuntu> well bedtime
[07:45] <_ubuntu> bye and thx icewt 
[07:45] <kkathman> icewt: KDE does take more resource than gnome I believe...at least from a RAM point of view Im sure
[07:46] <icewt> kkathman: well, i haven't really compared the ram usage. kde just works faster and is much better for my needs so i'm happy ;)
[07:49] <kkathman> once I got ram, KDE was way better for me too
[07:49] <kkathman> but I couldnt run KDE on my HP with 96MB of RAM :)
[07:50] <Futal> according to my experience, KDE doesn't use much RAM is well configured
[07:50] <kkathman> well I could,  but it was extremely non-performant
[07:50] <icewt> kkathman: hehe. that's what xfce is for ;)
[07:50] <kkathman> exactly :)
[07:50] <kkathman> and thats what I run on that system in fact
[07:50] <[miles] > damn, the package off www.skype.com has dep hell lol
[07:51] <icewt> [miles] : use http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-static
[07:52] <[miles] > ok
[07:52] <[miles] > I'll give it a try
[07:52] <Futal> with Mandriva, KDE 3.4 + LAMP + normal progs (OOo, skype, amarok, kopete), my average RAM use was 135MB
[07:52] <[miles] > static build should work
[07:53] <Futal> it seems Kubuntu team hasn't got time to optimize yet because it's more now, around 155MB
[07:56] <[miles] > wow, even the static fails
[07:56] <[miles] > mmm
[07:57] <icewt> really? strange. at least it used to work just fine in hoary
[07:58] <[miles] > lol
[07:58] <[miles] > nah
[07:58] <[miles] > fails
[07:58] <[miles] > ahwell
[07:58] <[miles] > bbiab
[07:58] <Knowerrors> Anybody have a good link for rolling your own kubuntu custom kernel?
[08:28] <libben> why does a file on my desktop not exist?
[08:28] <libben> it tells me it does not exist when i try to delete it
[08:30] <Joseph> Hello.
[08:30] <Joseph> Can anyone help me? KDE freezes whether I'm on Ubuntu or Kubuntu.
[08:30] <Joseph> Actually, the colors just go all funky on Ubuntu when I install KDE, but on Kubuntu, it freezes AND the colors go all funky. :(
[08:31] <flixor> hya everybody 
[08:31] <kikov> hello.. anybody with ii  kopete                            3.4.92-0ubuntu1                       instant messenger for KDE
[08:32] <Joseph> Hello.
[08:32] <kikov> and working?
[08:32] <Joseph> Can anoyne help me?
[08:32] <Joseph> KDE is screwed. :(
[08:32] <flixor> what is  your problem Joseph 
[08:32] <Joseph> KDE freezes whether I'm on Ubuntu or Kubuntu
[08:32] <kikov> I think mine is bork5n too
[08:32] <kikov> Joseph, maybe it's the shit of Gamin
[08:33] <Joseph> Actually, the colors just go all funky on Ubuntu when I install KDE, but on Kubuntu, it f reezes AND the colors go all funky.
[08:33] <Joseph> ?
[08:33] <Joseph> Gamin?
[08:33] <kikov> Joseph, try to mv /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server to /usr/lib/gamin/gam_sever.old
[08:33] <kikov> the replacement of FAM
[08:33] <kikov> another File Alteration Monitor
[08:33] <Joseph> I don't have linux installed currently. :(
[08:33] <Joseph> What if that doesn't work?
[08:33] <Joseph> Any advice?
[08:33] <kikov> it's designed to use all available memory in the system
[08:33] <kikov> gamin
[08:35] <Joseph> and how do i do that?
[08:35] <Joseph> whats the command?
[08:35] <kikov> Joseph, try to make a top
[08:35] <kikov> and see what's happening when it freezes
[08:35] <Joseph> Whats that mean? :???
[08:35] <kikov> Joseph, mv /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server  /usr/lib/gamin/gam_sever.old
[08:35] <Joseph> I'M NEW TO LINUX! xD
[08:35] <Joseph> Oh, I thoguht you meant.. nevermind.
[08:35] <robin> hi
[08:35] <robin> does kubuntu got 'non-free' stuff just like debian?
[08:35] <robin> I need unrar
[08:35] <robin> the 'not free' version.
[08:35] <kikov> robin, maybe it's in universe
[08:35] <kikov> let me see
[08:35] <kikov> no
[08:35] <kikov> it's not there...
[08:36] <robin> kikov: no I know :) 
[08:36] <Joseph> OK.
[08:36] <Joseph> BBL.
[08:36] <Joseph> Gonna install Kubuntu, and try this again. :
[08:36] <Joseph> :(
[08:36] <Joseph> I've gotta liek repartition it first though. :(
[08:36] <Joseph> anyone know any good free partitioners?
[08:36] <Joseph> thats easy to use?
[08:36] <kikov> cfdisk
[08:36] <kikov> qparted
[08:37] <Joseph> for windows..
[08:37] <kikov> I don't use Windows, so, I don't know sorry
[08:37] <Joseph> lol
[08:37] <Joseph> :(
[08:37] <kikov> Joseph, do you know how can I install windows without fucking my Linux?
[08:37] <robin> Joseph: maybe you use a trial version :) of a commercial product.
[08:37] <kikov> hehe
[08:43] <kikov> so...kopete from breezy is working well?
[08:44] <Tm_T> yes
[08:44] <Tm_T> and from svn even better ;)
[08:44] <kikov> Tm_T, I can't get my accounts connected
[08:45] <kikov> nor jabber, nor yahoo, nor m$ messenger
[08:46] <Tm_T> strange
[08:46] <kikov> the icons don't blink
[08:46] <kikov> when "trying to Connect"
[08:46] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe you have kwallet problem
[08:46] <kikov> how can I solve it?
[08:47] <kikov> yes, I have observed a wrong behaviour with kwallet and konqy
[08:47] <Tm_T> it depends
[08:47] <kikov> when connecting to protected web pages ( HTTPS AUTH )
[08:47] <Tm_T> can't remember exactly (and just got back home after tooo long car ride)
[08:48] <kikov> Tm_T, it's documented the error?
[08:48] <Tm_T> kikov: can't remember
[08:51] <flixor> how can i remove the configuration of konqueror from kubuntu 
[08:51] <flixor> i want the old kde konqueror back 
[08:52] <Tm_T> ah
[08:52] <Tm_T> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems
[08:53] <flixor> Tm_T: was that link for me
[08:54] <Tm_T> yes
[08:54] <flixor> but i am not running kde 3.5 beta 
[08:54] <flixor> i am running the kde version of kubuntu 5.10 
[08:54] <kikov> Tm_T, that page doesn't say anything on kwallet :/
[08:54] <Tm_T> kikov: no it doesn't
[08:55] <Tm_T> flixor: ah, I remembered there's something mentioned about that
[08:55] <Tm_T> flixor: but wait, it was faq :p
[08:55] <flixor> on the ubuntu website
[08:55] <Tm_T> http://kubuntu.org/faq.php#konqueror
[08:55] <Tm_T> that one
[08:56] <Tm_T> kikov: yeah, can't help you until get a proper sleep, srry :(
[08:56] <flixor> thanks let me look at it 
[08:56] <Tm_T> yu, get some caffeine ->
[08:56] <kikov> ok... thx Tm_T
[08:56] <kikov> I'm quite astonished by the amount of KDE related problems
[08:56] <kikov> with kubuntu
[08:56] <kikov> are they upstream problems? or kubuntu ones?
[08:57] <Tm_T> kubuntu mostly
[08:57] <Tm_T> I think
[08:57] <Tm_T> but I have no problems
[08:57] <Tm_T> maybe because I compile stuff too ;)
[09:04] <Delvien> Is there a good CPU scaling monitor and controller for KDE, like cpufreqd in gnome? for the taskbar
[09:10] <Firetech> Delvien: you might be able to make one with ksysguard and it's applet
[09:10] <Firetech> there is a frequency "sensor" in it.
[09:11] <Firetech> well, I think it is a software sensor
[09:25] <dragonkh> hi
[09:29] <robin> how can I enable the midi sequencer device?
[09:29] <robin> I can't play midi files, and I need it for the old dos games :)
[09:30] <Joseph> Can anyone help me? Kubuntu freezes. :(
[09:30] <robin> Joseph: what's the problem?
[09:30] <Joseph> ..Kubuntu freezes. -.-
[09:30] <mth`MAW> Put into your microwave ...
[09:30] <mth`MAW> Sorry
[09:30] <mth`MAW> :)
[09:30] <Joseph> ?
[09:30] <Joseph> :S
[09:30] <mth`MAW> When does ist freez?
[09:31] <Joseph> I don't know.
[09:31] <Joseph> Just randomly.
[09:31] <Joseph> Like about.. 30 seconds after I start Kubuntu.
[09:31] <Joseph> When I try to do something, etc..
[09:31] <Delvien> Firetech ill have to i reaseach that more deeply, I dont see it in the option, its probily in the code
[09:32] <mth`MAW> What kind of computer
[09:33] <Joseph> Hmm..
[09:33] <mth`MAW> desktop
[09:33] <mth`MAW> laptop?
[09:33] <Joseph> Desktop.
[09:33] <Joseph> Lol, thought you meant my specs.
[09:33] <Firetech> Delvien: start ksysguard (the application), somewhere in the sensor tree, there is a CPU frequency sensor, drag it to the applet
[09:34] <Delvien> Firetech how do i see the sensor tree?
[09:34] <Joseph> This sucks.
[09:34] <Joseph> No one can EVER help me.
[09:34] <Joseph> EVER.
[09:35] <Joseph> Everything EVERYONE TRIES TO TELL ME NEVER works.
[09:35] <mth`MAW> That can be of soooooo many things
[09:35] <Delvien> joseph whats up , what do you nee dhelp with
[09:35] <robin> Joseph: pls don't cry
[09:35] <mth`MAW> bad RAM
[09:35] <Firetech> in the left of the window there should be a list with one item (localhost), it works like a directory tree
[09:35] <Joseph> Now I'm really pissed off.
[09:35] <mth`MAW> bad processor
[09:35] <Joseph> THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING SINCE BEFOREI REMEMBER.
[09:35] <robin> Joseph: check dmesg
[09:35] <Joseph> I'M A LITTLE PISSED OFF.
[09:35] <Joseph> Yep.
[09:35] <robin> Joseph: relax
[09:35] <Joseph> I've tried that.
[09:35] <robin> Joseph: shows no errors at all ?
[09:35] <icewt> is there some network activity monitor applet (or something) for kde?
[09:35] <robin> Joseph: /var/log/messages ??
[09:35] <raphink> icewt: ksim
[09:35] <Joseph> Well after itsb een happening so far and only on Kubuntu, it kind of pisses you off, you know?
[09:35] <Joseph> I've checked dmesg
[09:35] <Joseph> many times.
[09:35] <Delvien> firetech are we looking at the same thing? hehe
[09:35] <raphink> icewt: and lost of karamba and superkaramba stuff too
[09:35] <Joseph> Evenb efore I reinstalled Kubuntu, it never said anything.
[09:36] <robin> Joseph: and /var/log/messages 
[09:36] <Joseph> It usually freezes before I can do anything though. :(
[09:36] <raphink> icewt: there are also applets for kicker
[09:36] <Firetech> Delvien: I don't know, I just gave you a tip. I don't have a scaling enabled CPU myself, so I can't test
[09:36] <kikov> Joseph, please, remember, they're helping you at no cost
[09:36] <robin> Joseph: does it freeze, when you don't run into GUI mode ?
[09:36] <Joseph> I don't think it freezes.
[09:36] <Joseph> Only in GUI mode.
[09:37] <Joseph> Is when it freezes, I'm pretty sure.
[09:37] <icewt> raphink: ok, thanks. i'd just like to have some simple applet that shows current network usage and how much has been transferred
[09:37] <kikov> Joseph, have you tried the gamin thing?
[09:37] <Joseph> Yes, well, when they try to help me, they give me useless advice.
[09:37] <raphink> icewt: you've got the choice
[09:37] <Delvien> Firetech aye i see CPU load/Niceload CPUload /systemload and i see CPUload/user load, thats it, maybe there is an updated version you are using?
[09:37] <Joseph> Yes, I have.
[09:37] <kikov> Joseph, I had that problems and moving that file solved out my problems
[09:37] <Joseph> :(
[09:37] <raphink> icewt: kicker applets for the kde bar, ksim or karamba
[09:37] <phanter> hello, since I use breezy my wireless networkcard (intel2200) is not detected anymore
[09:37] <robin> Joseph: does the logs of xorg shows any errors ?
[09:37] <Joseph> Well it didn't help me. :(
[09:37] <Joseph> I haven't checked that.
[09:38] <robin> Joseph: try taht
[09:38] <Joseph> Tell me so I can see if thats the problem.
[09:38] <kikov> Joseph, do you have nvidia?
[09:38] <Firetech> Delvien: there are more sensors for ksysgusrd, they are just not used right now
[09:38] <Joseph> Yes, I do.
[09:38] <kikov> fbnvidia + binary nvidia usually freeze the box
[09:38] <Delvien> Firetech ah ok, do you know how to load /install them
[09:38] <Joseph> Well how do I check Xorg?
[09:39] <Delvien> sudo gedit /etx/X11/xorg.conf
[09:39] <Firetech> Delvien: they are installed, don't you see a white box in the left of ksysguard?
[09:39] <Delvien> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:39] <Joseph> Thats going to edit it, isn't it?
[09:39] <Joseph> Not check it. o.O
[09:39] <Delvien> no
[09:39] <robin> Joseph: the Xorg.log in /var/log
[09:39] <icewt> raphink: do you know some specific kicker applet to recommned?
[09:39] <Delvien> onm then jo :P
[09:39] <raphink> icewt: nope
[09:39] <raphink> but I knwo there are some nice ones
[09:39] <raphink> by default
[09:40] <Joseph> OK.
[09:40] <Joseph> I'm going to check it.
[09:40] <Joseph> BRB.
[09:41] <Delvien> Firetech lol i was going off the applet :P 
[09:42] <Firetech> Delvien: you see it now?
[09:42] <robin> Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) <== I need Midi support, how do I enable it.
[09:42] <Delvien> Firetech Aye
[09:43] <Firetech> Delvien: there should be something under localhost > processor0 (might be cpu0, I have a localized kde)
[09:43] <Delvien> Firetech how do i get it so this is in the Taskbar
[09:43] <Firetech> drag the sensor to the taskbar area
[09:43] <Firetech> to the applet
[09:44] <Firetech> if you click the small black arrow for the applet, you can add another box for it
[09:45] <joseph> Back.
[09:45] <joseph> I don't see any var/logs
[09:45] <joseph> o.O
[09:45] <joseph> So far Kubuntu hasn't froze.
[09:45] <Firetech> joseph: /var/log
[09:45] <joseph> Yeah, there isn't anything.
[09:45] <joseph> Only logrotate
[09:45] <Firetech> "/var/log/Xorg.log" should be there
[09:46] <joseph> Oh.
[09:46] <joseph> w00ps
[09:46] <Firetech> *Xorg.0.log
[09:46] <joseph> AND I'm supposed to read that WHOLE thing?
[09:46] <robin> joseph: well we won't
[09:46] <Delvien> Firetech it reads my CPU correctly in the ksysguard, but it shows a 0 in the applet
[09:47] <joseph> (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (vrefresh out of range)
[09:47] <joseph> (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range)
[09:47] <robin> joseph: DON"T PASTE HERE
[09:47] <robin> joseph: use the pastebin
[09:47] <joseph> o.O
[09:47] <raphink> joseph: check for errros, not for warning
[09:47] <joseph> But its not big.
[09:47] <joseph> I thought that was an error.
[09:47] <joseph> o.O
[09:47] <Firetech> Delvien: you need to set the correct limits for the applet
[09:48] <joseph> Nope, no errors.
[09:48] <joseph> ..That I see.
[09:48] <Delvien> Firetech how do i do that
[09:48] <Firetech> Delvien: right click the applet
[09:48] <Firetech> select properties
[09:49] <Delvien> ok
[09:49] <joseph> If I leave that means I had to restart.
[09:50] <joseph> Now the colors are going all funky!
[09:50] <joseph> AHH! EVERYTHINGS PURPLE!
[09:51] <Delvien> firetech got it :)
[09:51] <Delvien> firetech thanks bro
[09:52] <Firetech> np
[09:52] <Joseph> OK..
[09:52] <Joseph> I'm back. ><
[09:52] <Firetech> Delvien: what do you mean with cpu frequency controller?
[09:53] <Firetech> powernowd does that, right?
[09:53] <Joseph> Aw this sucks.
[09:55] <Delvien> Firetech aye but cpufreqd let me change it at will
[09:56] <Firetech> Delvien: ah, ok
[09:56] <Delvien> Firetech i have a centrino m, in KDE my cpu acts kinda goofy, and takes more power than Gnome did for some reason
[09:56] <Firetech> it just works anyway ;)
[09:56] <Firetech> or not :P
[10:01] <_levi> how can i disable the caps lock key?
[10:01] <_levi> and how can i make it so my touchpad wont work when i type?
[10:10] <orangey> _levi: about that "touchpad not working while you type", it's called "palmdetect" (if your palm is there) if you have a synaptics.
[10:11] <orangey> _levi: and there's something about while typing, but I don't know what.
[10:11] <slow-motion> n8
[10:17] <swp> hi, when im executing a program via shell, then i have always to type "./program", how can i change it so i can start it with "program" only?
[10:26] <ep> My system clock was not automaticly adjusted for Daylight Saving Time.  Why not?
[10:26] <ep> I'm gonna be an hour early wherever I go.
[10:28] <Juerd> Possibly your timezone wasn't set correctly.
[10:28] <Juerd> Or something went wrong.
[10:29] <Riddell> in north america the rules forsummer time have changed this year
[10:29] <Riddell> my computer went a day early
[10:29] <Tm_T> :p
[10:30] <ep> Juerd, how can i determine what my TZ setting is right now?
[10:32] <chimaera>  is anyone using kubuntu on ppc? i have probs w/ my usb scanner.
[10:32] <chimaera> or better, with sane.
[10:34] <bur[n] er> anyone else find krfb unusably slow... even over a LAN connection?  furthermore, anyone tried any alternatives?
[10:38] <swp> hi, when im executing a program via shell, then i have always to type "./program", how can i change it so i can start it with "program" only?
[10:39] <ep> Reading forum post suggesting going into the KDE Control Panel -> Appearance & Themes.  I'm not finding the control panel, is this Kinfo center or system settings or what?
[10:40] <ep> i guess info would be 'info' :)
[10:40] <chimaera> ep: no, kinfo is something different. use either system settings or alt+f2 and type kcontrol
[10:40] <bur[n] er> ep: system settings == kcontrol
[10:41] <bur[n] er> == control panel
[10:41] <redguy> swp: put the program in a directory that is in the PATH shell variable
[10:42] <bur[n] er> swp: or a symlink in a directory with the PATH shell variable
[10:42] <bur[n] er> i.e. sudo ln -s /home/swp/bin/myapplication /usr/bin/myapplication
[10:43] <redguy> swp: or change the PATH variable so that it contains the directory where the program is
[10:44] <bur[n] er> or or... shoot, i'm out of ideas, you win redguy ;)
[10:44] <swp> hm, i think thats not the way
[10:45] <redguy> bur[n] er: hah!
[10:45] <redguy> swp: which way?
[10:45] <swp> i have a source, if i compile it on my comp, then it runs crappy, but if i compile it on the comp of the uni, then it cant find a lib because of this ./bla
[10:46] <swp> i need to be able to start the application with not having its path in PATH
[10:46] <swp> its a bit complicatedt i think ;)
[10:46] <ep> Both, the "System Settings" entry on my menu and the system settings icon on the panel  open a  differnent process than kcontrol  (systemsettings -caption System Settings -icon systemsettings)
[10:46] <bur[n] er> it can't find a lib?  that doesn't sound like it's an issue with using ./bla
[10:46] <bur[n] er> swp: export PATH=PATH;~/
[10:46] <bur[n] er> swp: export PATH=$PATH;~/
[10:47] <swp> well i start the app with ./app and then it tells me libthisandthat.so not found although its in the same dir
[10:47] <ep> Weird, theres not even a kcontrol entry on the default menu setup.  Seems like that would be important.
[10:48] <bur[n] er> that command makes hte home directory part of the PATH so that if your app is in ~/ and is called 'bla' then you can just type 'bla'
[10:48] <swp> and on the computer in the university i can start every app just being in its directory
[10:48] <bur[n] er> ep: there is system settings... you're in kde right?
[10:48] <swp> ya, but then i have to add every path to the variable, there must be another way
[10:49] <bur[n] er> without knowing the app, i dunno swp, sorr
[10:49] <redguy> swp: you could add ./ to $PATH, but thats evil
[10:50] <ep> yes, KDE kubuntu 5.1 install.  There is system settings true.  There isnt kcontrol (on the menu).  They appear to be differnt apps.
[10:50] <_liquidbinary_> hi!
[10:50] <redguy> swp: concerning libs - you might want to read man ld.so
[10:51] <thessj> prova..
[10:51] <bur[n] er> ep: they're not
[10:51] <bur[n] er> system settings is just using konqueror in a different view to access the controls
[10:51] <Joseph> This ABSOLUTELY sucks.
[10:51] <Joseph> Kubuntu = suckage.
[10:51] <redguy> swp: LD_LIBRARY_PATH is similar to path, but defines where ld.so should look for libs
[10:51] <Joseph> This is the ONLY distro that I've had trouble with.
[10:51] <zer0time> hi
[10:52] <Joseph> Hello.
[10:52] <Joseph> >: O
[10:52] <bur[n] er> Joseph: wipe the sand out of your vagina and ask a question if you have one ;)
[10:52] <Joseph> Be quiet, nub. ;)
[10:52] <Joseph> Well.
[10:52] <Joseph> Kubuntu keeps freezing.
[10:52] <bur[n] er> !enter
[10:52] <ubotu> don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It's annoying and spams the channel. Write in complete sentences and keep your replies and questions on one line if possible. Thanks!
[10:52] <Joseph> And the colors sometimes turn purple.
[10:52] <Joseph> Thats ALL I know.
[10:53] <zer0time> id like to know why if 3d acceleration is working perfectly for my ati radeon 9600 xt, glxgears command gives me very very low fps
[10:53] <Joseph> I've tried many things people have suggested here, nothing works.
[10:53] <Joseph> I've checked Xorg logs.
[10:53] <Joseph> I've checked dmesg
[10:53] <Joseph> Nothing.
[10:53] <bur[n] er> zer0time: glxgears is not a benchmark tool
[10:53] <Joseph> NOTHING at all that I saw.
[10:53] <bur[n] er> !enter
[10:53] <ubotu> don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It's annoying and spams the channel. Write in complete sentences and keep your replies and questions on one line if possible. Thanks!
[10:53] <Joseph> -.-
[10:54] <Joseph> So I'm guessing you can't help me? :(
[10:54] <zer0time> no, but, until now, my way to know glx extensions where working, was to do a glxgears and see fps, even if it was not as precise as a bechkmark test, it gave me an idea, (200 fps or 2500 fps)
[10:54] <bur[n] er> what kinda video card do you have Joseph?
[10:54] <Joseph> Yay.
[10:54] <bur[n] er> Joseph: have you had issues iwth other distros?
[10:54] <zer0time> now, it just does not work
[10:54] <Joseph> PNY Geforce 6600 GT
[10:54] <redguy> swp: if I were you I'd make ~/lib and ~/bin, added them to LD_LIBRARY_PATH and PATH respectively in your .bashrc and copy the executable and the libraries to them accordingly
[10:55] <Joseph> Nop.e
[10:55] <ep> Well I found Kcontrol --> Appearance & Themes -->Launch Feedback  In kcontrol and i couldn't find the same thing in "System Settings".   Don't appear the same to me.
[10:55] <Joseph> But the only one I've tried recently is Kubuntu and Ubuntu.
[10:55] <zer0time> bur[n] er: 
[10:55] <zer0time> did you read me
[10:55] <Joseph> Last time I tried Mepis and other things that used KDE it ran fine.
[10:56] <zer0time> so no answer for that I guess
[10:56] <redguy> swp: or simply ./configure && make && make install properly if it's possible
[10:57] <_manveru> checkinstall :)
[10:57] <swp> hmm....
[10:57] <swp> i think i let this problem be, cuz i have another good one ;)
[10:57] <Joseph> ..>: O
[10:57] <bur[n] er> Joseph: have you installed the NVIDIA binary drivers?
[10:58] <Joseph> not that i kn owof.
[10:58] <zer0time> so I must understand that what you said was bs? bur[n] er 
[10:58] <bur[n] er> !nvidia
[10:58] <ubotu> somebody said nvidia was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[10:58] <Joseph> and it probably wont let me
[10:58] <Joseph> at the rate its freezing. ><
[10:58] <redguy> swp: shoot
[10:59] <zer0time> did anyone have same issue?
[10:59] <swp> when i compile an App which uses the OpenGL widgets from Qt (qgl) then the OGL context stays black. When i compile the whole thing in the uni and run it on my comp then its fine (i use hoary)
[10:59] <swp> glxgears says 3500 fps, no mesacrap in glxinfo
[11:00] <swp> the only thing is that glewinfo says, no OGL 2.0 support is there, how do i install OGL2.0 on hoary?
[11:00] <bur[n] er> zer0time: glxinfo |grep direct 
[11:00] <hjorthboggild> Has anyone experienced KDE to crash when using Azureus (I'm running Java 1.5.0)
[11:00] <swp> its on
[11:01] <bur[n] er> zer0time: see if direct rendering == yes
[11:01] <hjorthboggild> it happens randomly
[11:01] <bur[n] er> hjorthboggild: u may want to check out ktorrent?  any reason to have azureus specifically?
[11:01] <redguy> swp: erm... sorry, not a slightest idea
[11:01] <swp> all opengl apps work fine except those which use qgl _and_ are compiled on my comp
[11:01] <hjorthboggild> I'm used to Azureus, but using Ktorrent now. Just wondering why it makes Kubuntu crash
[11:01] <ep> My time some setting is CST, should it be CDT?  My system clock did not automatically adjust for daylight saving time.
[11:01] <swp> well, thanks anyways :)
[11:02] <bur[n] er> hjorthboggild: sorry, can't help ya there, i'm a Gnome user and azureus didn't crash for me :\
[11:02] <hjorthboggild> bur[n] er: that's also my own experience, never had a crash with Gnome, it only happens in KDE
[11:03] <Unununium> Having trouble enabling DRI: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/411448
[11:03] <ep> My time zone setting is CST, I mean.   Is this the problem? I'm in USA, Central Time Zone.
[11:03] <hjorthboggild> bur[n] er: just wondering if it's a known KDE - Azureus problem, I have a friend running KDE on a Debian unstable, and Azureus also makes his KDE crash from time to time
[11:04] <bur[n] er> hjorthboggild: check bugzilla?
[11:05] <ep> Hence my system clock is one hour off. sudo ntpdate will correct it, right?
[11:05] <ep> No parameters?
[11:06] <bur[n] er> ep: daylight savings setting?
[11:07] <bur[n] er> ep: blah, disregard that, i didnt' read up enough
[11:07] <zer0time> bur[n] er: that was not my question, I dont want to see if they work, I know 3d work, What I wanted to know is why glxgears command does not even show fps
[11:07] <ep> Thats what I want bur[n] er ,  How can i verify.
[11:07] <bur[n] er> zer0time: google for glxgears in breezy ;)
[11:07] <zer0time> thats like, I dont know, ok, anyone with that issue?
[11:08] <bur[n] er> glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark
[11:08] <bur[n] er> try that zer0time :)
[11:08] <ep> that one screwed me up too
[11:08] <zer0time> how many distros have you tried
[11:08] <zer0time> ?
[11:08] <zer0time> in how many a glxgears didnt show you fps values?
[11:09] <swp> "glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark" if this is true...lol
[11:09] <ep> Anyway my time problem ought to be a simple matter to correct why didn't my clock automatically adjust for daylight savings time?
[11:09] <zer0time> hahaha, fine
[11:09] <Blues-Drive> Er..
[11:09] <zer0time> so no fucking idea why I guess, dont tell me to google it then
[11:09] <Joseph> o.O
[11:09] <Joseph> WHO BE YOU?!
[11:09] <Joseph> NUB!!
[11:09] <Joseph> o.O
[11:09] <Blues-Drive> Im trying to install Kubuntu and its.. just not working.. can anybody help out?
[11:10] <Joseph> yes.
[11:10] <Joseph> well, no.
[11:10] <Joseph> i was saying yest o something else.
[11:10] <Joseph> ><
[11:10] <swp> why is this so green
[11:10] <Joseph> why is kubuntu freezing?
[11:10] <zer0time> enjoy the silence...
[11:10] <Blues-Drive> >.>
[11:10] <kokurya^afk> freezing?
[11:10] <Tm_T> Blues-Drive: ehm, you are using colours
[11:10] <icewt> Blues-Drive: maybe if you were a little more specific
[11:11] <Joseph> wha?
[11:12] <Joseph> sorry.
[11:12] <Blues-Drive> Is this better?
[11:12] <Joseph> yes.
[11:12] <Joseph> kubuntu = freezing
[11:12] <Joseph> and usually the colors go purple too. xD
[11:12] <redguy> Joseph: someone has put it in the freezer?
[11:12] <Joseph> wtf?!
[11:12] <Joseph> o.O
[11:12] <Blues-Drive> Okay well.. I have my hard drive completely formatted, and I have the Kubuntu install disk in my CD drive.. and its asking for some boot disk in the floppy drive.
[11:12] <Joseph> o.O
[11:13] <Joseph> kubuntu sucks.
[11:14] <swp> maybe it wants to create a bootdisk, Blues-Drive 
[11:14] <Blues-Drive> Well I have it up on my other montiro.. heres what it says exactly
[11:14] <ep> what's a public server I can use to set my clock via 'ntpdate server'?
[11:15] <Blues-Drive> Er.. Its kinda slow one sec.
[11:15] <swp> ;)
[11:16] <Blues-Drive> Searching for Boot Recod from Floppy..Not Found
[11:16] <Joseph> Can anyone help me? Kubuntu keeps freezing and the colors go weird!
[11:16] <Blues-Drive> 200: Boot Failure
[11:16] <Blues-Drive> 203:Insert BOOT diskette in A:
[11:16] <Blues-Drive> Press any key when ready_
[11:17] <icewt> Joseph: that sounds like a grapchis card problem. what card do you have?
[11:17] <swp> is the boot cd not booting, or the installed system?
[11:17] <Blues-Drive> The hard drive is completely wiped, and after its done doing its memory check thing, it goes to that message..
[11:17] <Joseph> PNY
[11:17] <Joseph> Geforce 6600 GT
[11:18] <swp> after what memorychecking? how have you wiped the hd?
[11:18] <Blues-Drive> I formatted it
[11:18] <icewt> Joseph: have you installed the 3d-enabled drivers for it?
[11:18] <Blues-Drive> I had the old hard drive linked up to this one, formatted and then put it back into my other comp.
[11:18] <Joseph> I don't think so. o.O
[11:19] <Joseph> but i dont know if i even hae the time for that.
[11:19] <Joseph> because it freezes quickly. :(
[11:19] <swp> hmm, to me it sounds like you havent activated booting from cdrom
[11:19] <Joseph> unless i can get it in terminal mode or w/e
[11:19] <redguy> Blues-Drive: try telling the BIOS to boot from the CD
[11:19] <Joseph> and do it on synaptic
[11:19] <Joseph> or w/e
[11:19] <Joseph> apt-get
[11:19] <icewt> Joseph: well, maybe you could try to install the drivers and see if it makes a difference
[11:19] <Blues-Drive> I tried that.. And it still looks for the floppy.. I even told the BIOS that there wasnt an A: drive installed and still the same thing
[11:20] <ep> Ok i reset the system clock va ntpdate.  how can reset the hardware clock to match? 
[11:20] <Joseph> How?
[11:20] <Joseph> lol.
[11:20] <Joseph> whats teh command?
[11:20] <redguy> Blues-Drive: maybe the image was corrupt?
[11:20] <swp> tell bios to boot first from cd, tell him not to boot from floppy, and check if you have burned the cd correctly
[11:21] <swp> agree@redguy
[11:21] <Blues-Drive> Ive got it set to boot first from CD drive, and nothing else.
[11:21] <Blues-Drive> And the CD is burned correctly, I'm sure of it :P
[11:22] <icewt> Joseph: it's just simply: "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx" and after that "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable". then reboot
[11:22] <swp> hey, i know somebody whos burnin isos directly on the cd :P
[11:22] <Blues-Drive> Well its not the ISO image itself on the CD
[11:22] <swp> not reboot icewt , restart x
[11:22] <Blues-Drive> So yeah, its burned right :P
[11:22] <ep> I tried --> hwclock --systohc   and got an error timestamp too far in the future: Oct 30 17:16:43 2005.  I need to reset my hardware clock to.
[11:22] <icewt> swp: rebooting is easier to explain ;)
[11:22] <Joseph> OK. BRB.
[11:22] <redguy> ep: hwclock --systohc
[11:23] <ep> thats what i did , using sudo.  I'll try again
[11:23] <swp> aye, i know, i think the iso was corrupted or the cd has a scratch, or the cdrom drive is broken or whateva...hm...strange
[11:23] <redguy> ep: hrm...
[11:23] <Blues-Drive> Nope, its all working.. The CD loads fine on this computer.
[11:23] <swp> icewt, ;)
[11:24] <ep> sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Oct 30 17:16:43 2005
[11:24] <ep> still the same error message
[11:24] <Blues-Drive> CD drive works on my other comp.. Both drives, Tried both too..
[11:24] <Blues-Drive> Should I set some special jumper setting on my hard drive and CD drives?
[11:25] <swp> no
[11:25] <swp> if there was a running OS in this box before, then the jumper settings should be okay
[11:25] <Delvien> How do i turn off that ANNOYING system bell when i backspace too far
[11:25] <swp> tried some other boot cd?? Blues-Drive 
[11:25] <Delvien> scares the shit out of me each time
[11:25] <redguy> ep: what does hwclock say?
[11:25] <ep> I've already reset the system clock, the correct time here is 16:16:43  (my hardware clock is still  hour off cause breezy didn't adjust my clock on the time change) 
[11:26] <redguy> ep: that is hwclock, without any arguments
[11:26] <Blues-Drive> Well.. 
[11:26] <Blues-Drive> I used to have 98 installed on this
[11:26] <Blues-Drive> Well.. It
[11:26] <ep> hwclock --show outouts --> Sun 30 Oct 2005 05:26:10 PM CST  -0.106130 seconds
[11:26] <Delvien> does 3ddesktop work in KDE?
[11:27] <Delvien> Does Anyone know if 3dDesktop works for KDE? 
[11:29] <Joseph> Hello.
[11:29] <Joseph> Back.
[11:29] <Tm_T> Delvien: it does
[11:29] <Joseph> It says the command wasn't found (sudo nvidia glx-config enable)
[11:30] <swp> its "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"
[11:30] <Joseph> -.-
[11:30] <Joseph> ok.
[11:30] <Joseph> brb again. xD
[11:31] <redguy> ep: well I had the same thing: not that the message is coming from sudo, not from hwclock itself. Does sudo allow you even to enter the password?
[11:31] <swp> hm...
[11:31] <redguy> ep: s/not that/note that/
[11:32] <ep> usually I closed the console. I'll try again
[11:33] <poimen> hi
[11:33] <poimen> I Installed wine but I dont see its config file were it is located?
[11:34] <ep> redguy, ok this time I got a password prompt and it worked.  I must of screwed something up the first go-around.
[11:35] <swp> is someone running breezy and has a geforce and glew installed?
[11:35] <ep> I hope my timezone setting is correct.  I'm not clear on this?   My clock was not automaticllay adjusted for DST
[11:37] <ep> Should #date list CST or CDT or does that depend on the time of the year?
[11:37] <ep> $date
[11:37] <joseph> OK.
[11:37] <joseph> Umm..
[11:37] <joseph> I think it worked.
[11:37] <redguy> ep: not sure either
[11:37] <joseph> Thanks guys!
[11:37] <joseph> If it doesn't work I'm not coming back.
[11:37] <joseph> FINALLY, after like a year, ITS WORKING!
[11:38] <joseph> I am SO happy.
[11:38] <swp> what works joseph ?
[11:38] <joseph> Finally, I can actually sue the Distro I want too.
[11:38] <joseph> Kubuntu.
[11:38] <joseph> Before it froze and turned purple.
[11:38] <swp> hm
[11:38] <redguy> joseph: sue?!?!
[11:38] <joseph> ?
[11:38] <crimsun> I think he meant "use"
[11:39] <joseph> Wait.
[11:39] <joseph> WTf.
[11:39] <joseph> Yeah. What he said.
[11:39] <kairu0> lol
[11:39] <joseph> lmao.
[11:39] <crimsun> granted everyone I know would love to sue the distro (s)he uses
[11:39] <crimsun> :p
[11:39] <joseph> thats awesome.
[11:39] <joseph> ;)
[11:39] <_heulSuSE_> Hi!
[11:39] <Delvien> Anyone know of a Fan control Daemon for KDE?
[11:40] <icewt> joseph: so the nvidia drivers fixed it?
[11:40] <kairu0> i have a question. today i started up my computer, logged into kde, and found that my network interface was disabled (I have no idea why.) i reenabled it with kcontrol but anyone know why this happened?
[11:40] <Tm_T> I'm not yet that popular to need a control fans
[11:40] <joseph> Hey.
[11:40] <joseph> Does anyone know how to install Limewire?
[11:41] <joseph> I chose the Other option when it said which one to download, BUT, When I open and extract the zip file, it has an exe in it! :O
[11:41] <joseph> Also, its a zip file! >: O
[11:41] <Delvien> joseph do a "non-KDE application" special button on yur taskbar, then download limewireother, and run the runLime.sh with the special button you created
[11:42] <Delvien> joseph if you cant unzip the file, sudo apt-get install unrar
[11:42] <_manveru> http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/09/16/limewire-client-for-ubuntu/
[11:42] <joseph> o.O
[11:42] <joseph> Weird!
[11:42] <joseph> Thanks. :)
[11:43] <Unununium> I'll just take my question (DRI stuff) to the x.org lists.  Thanks anyway.
[11:43] <_manveru> that was unununium? :)
[11:43] <_manveru> what the hell is he doing in #kubuntu....
[11:44] <joseph> Wait.
[11:44] <Delvien> why is the superkaramba site so poorly made... lol
[11:44] <_manveru> yeah, this is not telling you how to install limewire
[11:44] <joseph> I kind of figured that. o.O
[11:44] <joseph> How do I do it then?
[11:44] <joseph> I think.
[11:44] <joseph> :S
[11:45] <_manveru> hmm
[11:45] <_manveru> is das nicht java?
[11:45] <joseph> ?
[11:45] <Delvien> dont install limewire,  itsnot worth it
[11:45] <_manveru> limewire... reading at google that it is in java...
[11:45] <joseph> Yes, on windows.
[11:46] <joseph> I don't know about Linux though.
[11:46] <_manveru> have you got java installed?
[11:46] <joseph> I don't think so.
[11:46] <_manveru> ubotu: tell joseph about java
[11:47] <icewt> doesn't limewire use gnutella network? there's gtk-gnutella
[11:47] <_manveru> this is what the link says that i gave joseph...
[11:48] <bobbyd> hi
[11:48] <_manveru> but he seems to insist on limewire...
[11:48] <Delvien> yes its differnt , in a sense, limewire is more eyecandy and more user friendly
[11:48] <bobbyd> how do I stop kubuntu automatically opening a window when I plug in a USB mass storage device?
[11:49] <bobbyd> I mean a konqueror window
[11:50] <_manveru> get rid of konqueror? :)
[11:50] <_manveru> i think there is a kde-daemon who is looking for devices
[11:51] <_manveru> maybe kde-components>services
[11:51] <_manveru> in kconfig
[11:51] <bobbyd> _manveru, I just want to stop it for USB devices...
[11:52] <_manveru> in this case there might be a configuration-file somewhere...
[11:54] <_manveru> sorry i can't help you much with that, i never plugged in a usb-key or something...
[11:54] <_manveru> not even a cd
[11:54] <bobbyd> ok thanks
[11:54] <_manveru> how about checking google?
[11:55] <joseph> OK well.
[11:55] <_manveru> http://kubuntuforums.net/index.php?topic=818.new
[11:56] <joseph> I think I have Java installed.
[11:56] <joseph> Now how do I install Limewire? o.O
[11:56] <_manveru> @ bobbyd
[11:56] <joseph> I like Limewire because I use it with Windows.
[11:56] <joseph> And I like it. :)
[11:56] <bobbyd> joseph, azureus works on win and linux and doesn't have a load of spyware...
[11:57] <joseph> Limewire doesn't either, does it? o.O
[11:57] <joseph> I've never had a problem with it.
[11:57] <bobbyd> thanks _manveru 
[11:57] <bobbyd> joseph, it did at one point
[11:57] <joseph> But it doesn't now does it?
[11:58] <joseph> If it does then I think I'll just use something else.
[11:58] <kairu0> someone here recommended FrostWire to me and i like it
[11:58] <joseph> Yeah.
[11:58] <bobbyd> joseph, I have no idea, I use azureus, and to tell the truth it's an excellent client
[11:58] <joseph> I heard you say that.
[11:58] <joseph> When you messaged me.
[11:58] <joseph> No clue what it is though. :(
[11:58] <bobbyd> we'll have no massaging in here thanks!
[11:58] <joseph> Azureus is OK.
[11:58] <joseph> ?
[11:58] <bobbyd> this is a family channel
[11:58] <bobbyd> :)
[11:58] <joseph> Wait..
[11:58] <joseph> You mean he/she can't private message me?
[11:59] <kairu0> joseph, FrostWire uses the limewire network
[11:59] <joseph> WHAT KIND OF CHANNEL IS THIS?!
[11:59] <bobbyd> joseph, no that's fine, it's the massaging that the problem
[11:59] <Blues-Drive> I think I got somewhere
[11:59] <joseph> I know, because it has Wire at the end of it. ;)
[11:59] <joseph> Well he was PMing me. o.O
[11:59] <kairu0> joseph, and it smells of magonias
[11:59] <Blues-Drive> Im now able to acess my A: drive to do stuff.
[11:59] <bobbyd> joseph, I mean, if it's a normal swedish massage, that's ok
[11:59] <joseph> ?
[11:59] <joseph> YOUR CONFUSING ME!
[11:59] <joseph> Be quiet! o.O
[11:59] <kairu0> lol
[12:00] <bobbyd> joseph, but anything asian is strictly forbidden
[12:00] <kairu0> bobbyd, what about if a private asian masseuse sends you a private message?
[12:00] <joseph> ..
[12:01] <bobbyd> kairu0, that's fine
[12:01] <bobbyd> kairu0, read the damn FAQ man!
[12:01] <kairu0> bobbyd, lol
[12:01] <bobbyd> section 3.2.5.4
[12:01] <bobbyd> subsection c
[12:01] <bobbyd> wow I've really been programming too long
[12:02] <Blues-Drive> er..
[12:02] <Blues-Drive> SWP, you still here?
[12:04] <ep> what about gnutella?
[12:04] <Delvien> Anyone here use i8kutils ?