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lifelessspiv: ping12:08
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tuxedo_kamenhi everyone12:47
tuxedo_kamenlisten, I have a quick question about translating a specific line, can anyone help me with it?12:48
tuxedo_kamenit is "translator-credits", should I translate to my language or credit me in there?12:49
kikotuxedo_kamen, the latter.12:50
kikothere's a bug on handling that properly, though.12:50
tuxedo_kamensorry, I am not a native english speaker, what does "latter" mean?12:50
kikotuxedo_kamen, credit yourself in there :)12:52
tuxedo_kamenoh, ok12:56
tuxedo_kamenthanks12:56
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k3kc1kneed free psy BNC 01:09
kikohuh?01:16
k3kc1kkiko01:19
k3kc1ka a 01:19
k3kc1k?do you know what is PsyBNC ?01:19
Seveask3kc1k, please leave, this is a development channel, no one hands out bouncer accounts here01:20
kikono, no clue01:20
k3kc1kSeveas01:23
k3kc1kbut I realy need it now01:24
Seveask3kc1k, then find it somewhere else01:24
k3kc1kSeveas01:24
k3kc1kcan you help me ?01:25
Seveasas I said: no, I can't, no one in here can01:25
kikowhere's Keybuk 01:25
k3kc1kcould you tell me where I can Find it ?01:25
Seveasno, now leave01:25
k3kc1kok01:25
k3kc1kThanks !01:25
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Keybukkiko: hmm?01:27
Keybukkiko: what's up?01:29
kikoKeybuk, oh, just knew that you're a ChanServ-friend01:30
kikomight have needed your services01:30
kikoSeveas, what are bouncer accounts?01:31
Seveasa bouncer is an irc proxy01:31
KeybukI don't on this channel01:31
Seveasvery popular among script kiddies, that''s why i was sort of unfriendly01:31
Keybukit's you and SteveA I think01:31
Seveaskiko, /cs access #launchpad list01:31
Keybukanyway, he clearly wanted dircproxy01:31
Seveashehehe01:31
kikoKeybuk, Seveas: everybody is level 3001:34
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kikothanks.01:35
Seveashaha01:35
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lifelessspiv: ping02:17
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Mezcan somone please explain what soyuz is?01:04
lifelessmoinmoin01:12
lifelessMez: its the distribution management suite in launchpad01:12
Mezlifeless... fair enough01:13
lifelessthats 'linux distribution' I should say, not 'distributed networking' or anything like that.01:18
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highvoltagehi. i'm not very familiar with cvs. how would i enter these sources: http://learnlinux.tsf.org.za/project/web-svn.html, in https://launchpad.net/products/learnlinux/+series/0.1/+source02:24
highvoltage?02:25
Alinuxhi people, I'm Georgian Team Translator and need help. I've have aredy translated totem, but there is an error in translation...how can I search the word...without "Next 10" or "Last" are there some other better method tu manage everything...it's so slow :(02:26
Alinuxsomeone who can help me?02:27
bob2highvoltage: might be easier to get whoever is in charge of learnlinux to do it02:30
highvoltagebob2: ok, i'll try that.02:30
Alinuxhi people, I'm Georgian Team Translator and need help. I've have aredy translated totem, but there is an error in translation...how can I search the word...without "Next 10" or "Last" are there some other better method tu manage everything...it's so slow :(02:32
mdkeyou can;t02:32
mdkeoh yeah, you can download the po file and search for it02:33
mdkethen upload it02:33
mdkebut you can't do it yet in rosetta02:33
Alinuxmdke, :( very bad02:34
Alinuxvery hard in this way.02:34
mdkehmm02:35
mdkethey are fixing it02:35
Alinuxmdke very good then :D02:36
kikoit will be spec'ed this week02:40
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Alinuxoooh finally!02:41
AlinuxD02:41
SteveAkiko: where are you, man?02:42
kikoSteveA, found two gina bugs that require a database change. will be down in about 15m, sorry02:43
SteveAk02:43
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kikobtw, SteveA, are you telus or are you ubuntu?02:43
SteveAtelus02:45
SteveAon level 202:45
highvoltagehow do i know where my karma comes from? launchpad gave me karma and i don't hava an idea what i've done to deserve it :)02:54
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zygahighvoltage: click on the karma link on the right02:56
highvoltageit just shows a bug i logged, do you get karma for bugs too?02:57
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SteveAkiko: so, where are you?  we should meet up03:02
highvoltagekiko: you're the openoffice guy, right? or is that doko?03:04
lifelessyou want doko I think03:11
kikoSteveA, going down03:12
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stubBah. That email was supposed to go to lifeless, not launchpad :-(03:22
sivangRehi all03:23
kokehey, who did launchpad-integration?03:25
ajmitchsivang & seb128, iirc03:26
sivangajmitch: jamesh wrtote the acutal basis library03:27
ajmitchok03:27
kokeit isn't in rosetta for translating it03:33
mdkeknown problem03:33
mdkei think carlos is working on it03:33
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kokeok, I've the translated po file ready03:34
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Kinnisonhey dudes03:35
sivangKinnison: Hey Daniel, I'll get you the hebrew learning kit on the break03:36
Kinnisoncoolio03:37
jbaileyhttps://launchpad.net/sprints/ubz gives me a "RequestExpired" A server error occured.  Is this a side effect of LP going down, or should I file a bug?03:37
Kinnisonjbailey: Umm, I think that's to do with session affinity03:38
Kinnisonjbailey: if you force-reload does it go away?03:38
jbaileyYes.03:39
jbaileyIs there anyone to turn this into a useful report?03:39
mdkei get that all the time saving translations03:39
highvoltagei got it a few times yesterday and twice today while editing my profile in launchpad03:40
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fabbioneguys do you know laucnhpad is down?03:41
kokefabbione: "Launchpad will be going offline for maintenance in two minutes."03:42
fabbioneok03:42
SteveAstub: hello03:44
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SteveAstub: kiko and i will be demoing launchpad in 2 hours' time, for about 30-45 minutes03:45
kikoKinnison, ping?03:46
kikoanyone seen the wonderful Kinnison from hell03:47
SteveAhe's in the love day03:48
Kinnisonkiko: Nope, I've not seen me this morning03:50
Kinnisons/$/*/03:50
Kinnison[*]  May be a lie03:50
Kinnisonyes, stub can delete the archive off staging03:50
KinnisonI'll have to set things up on drescher, and may need elmo to do a mkdir or two for me, but I'm sure it won't be too hard03:51
kikoKinnison, you ROCK03:52
kikoKinnison, where are you right now? Can you take a look at bug 3537?03:52
UbugtuError: Could not parse data returned by Malone: Connection to Malone bugzilla failed: HTTP Error 503: Service Unavailable03:52
kikooh foo03:52
kikoanyway03:52
kikomdz reported it and I want to decide whether i worry about it or not03:53
mdzkiko: if mdz reported it, someone should worry ;-)03:57
Kinnisonkiko: I'm in the love meeting04:00
kikoKinnison, can we talk for a bit?04:03
kikoI'll go and try and find you04:04
kikoKinnison, walk out the door of the room and around to the hall on the far side of this floor04:06
Kinnisonwith or without laptop?04:11
kikoeither :)04:11
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highvoltagethey're talking about launchpad now?04:14
kikothey seem to be04:15
kikoelmo?04:15
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lifelessSteveA: how long till lp comes back ?04:17
lifelessbah04:18
lifelessstub: ^^^04:18
stubI think it is on the last table, so maybe 10 mins04:19
SteveAstub: can we do launchpad read-only when upgrading sometime?04:22
stubWe can do less frequent updates. We currently can't do launchpad read only because we don't have a read only db mirror available. If people want old data, it is available on the staging server anyway.04:26
stublaunchpad is back up04:27
Seveaswith oopses04:28
SeveasSteveA, try https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/pyxdg/+bug/369704:28
UbugtuError: Could not parse data returned by Malone: Connection to Malone bugzilla failed: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error04:28
Seveasstub*04:28
Kinnisonkiko: So one of the packages lacking a Priority contained the string 'zope'04:29
Kinnisonkiko: but I can find no priority overrides for source packages with that string in them04:30
Kinnisonin fact, with any string in04:30
Kinnisonkiko: so that's all very very odd04:32
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Kinnisonkiko: in fact, it was psycopg but no priority overrides for that afaict04:33
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stubYay. The bzr I'm building for rollouts is dying on emperor, so stuff never updated.04:39
stub$ env PYTHONPATH=~/dists/lib/python bin/bzr pull sftp://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/home/warthogs/archives/rocketfuel/dists/devel04:39
stub0 conflicts encountered.04:39
stubbzr: ERROR: Channel request for unknown channel 104:39
kikoKinnison, I think the priority must come from the control file04:39
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stubLaunchpad will be down another 50 mins or so04:41
sd-tuxhallo,can somebody tell me how can i add gnomemeeting-cvs template to rosetta? or only admins have permission to do this ?04:44
mdkeyes admins04:45
mdkesd-tux, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RosettaFAQ04:45
mdkeTranslation Process point 204:46
Kinnisonkiko: I'm chatting with colin now04:46
sd-tuxmdke: ok, thank you04:47
sabdflstub: ping04:51
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Belutzwhen will the launchpad back online?04:52
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lifelessstub: erk05:01
lifelessstub: can I help05:01
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stublifeless: Can you speed up tree building ;)05:03
lifelessstub: use your rsync recipe05:04
lifeless?05:04
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SteveAstub: hi05:06
SteveAstub: i'm still seeing a 503 in production.  we can use staging for the talk in a pinch05:06
stubsabdfl: pong05:06
sabdflstub: question: how do i add core data that needs to end up on production?05:07
sabdfli tried putting it in the patch (with UPDATE and INSERT statements) but there are complications with sampledata05:07
stubsabdfl: Stick it in a .sql file in pending and get me to run it sometime. You can't put it in a patch.05:07
sabdflif the patch data makes it into current.sql05:07
sabdfl..05:07
sabdflok05:07
sabdflthe tricky thing is that part of it is an upate to existing data05:08
stublifeless: it should be finished soon :-( I need to redo the rollout.py script to use rsync.05:09
lifelessstub: ok05:09
lifelessstub: I have nearly done update/switch for cm though, which will make incremental updates in the dc a lot faster05:10
lifelessstub: (or for managing the rsync masster copy)05:10
stubcool. If it does 'pull --overwrite' on existing branches, removing unknown files and adding branches newly added to the config it could be used instead of rebuilding fresh trees.05:13
lifelessstub: right05:13
lifelessstub: pqm mails verbose logs05:14
stubta05:14
lifeless... so why did you think it did not ?05:15
stubYay - tree build05:15
kikoyay05:16
stublifeless: oh? I see. One patch was empty, and the other patch had the modified files obscured by noise (configs/canonical.com/launchpad/production@ x_Stuart_Bishop_<stuart.bishop@canonical.com>_Tue_Jul__5_13:28:37_2005_9855.0)05:16
sabdflstub: have three patches for you, will chinstrap.paste05:19
sabdflfirst one05:22
sabdflhttps://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/filev8ONsM.html05:22
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sabdflsecond one05:23
sabdflhttps://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/filebLhEJu.html05:23
sabdfland the data entry bits05:25
sabdflhttps://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileC5eMGd.html05:25
stublaunchpad back up. Just need to rebuild the librarian now.05:25
Kinnisonstub: I'm gonna start setting up drescher for publishing the staging archive. Does drescher have database access as lucille?05:26
sabdflstub: how should i massage the last patch to separate data and code?05:26
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spaceycorrect that upgrade this morning the icon features (of joined teams) and hackergotchies got lost?05:33
SteveAsabdfl: images on person pages are GONE05:34
SteveAstub: any idea whether any cherrypicks got "lost", as in got applied to production but never landed in RF ?05:36
sabdflSteveA: it's still in my branch, i think there is an issue with the librarian05:36
SteveAsabdfl: it was in production before the rollout05:36
SteveAand now it is not05:36
spaceythat features was really cute05:37
sabdflit's the librarian05:37
SteveAthat worries me05:37
sabdflhttp://librarian.launchpad.net/579540/mark.png05:37
stubWhat package needs to be installed when pygettextpo fails to build?05:37
jameshwhat is the build failure?05:38
SteveAstub: librarian problem?05:38
stubAhh... yacc not found05:38
stubelmo: ping05:38
stubSteveA: Rolling out HEAD required a librarian update. And we are missing launchpad core packages on macaroni (well.. bison is probably all)05:39
elmoinstalled05:42
stubelmo: ta05:42
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elmoalso installed python-imaging which is the only  other missing one AFAICS05:43
SteveAwe need that launchpad meta-package05:44
jbaileyIs there a friendly changelog on launchpad.net?  It would be nice to know what the updates fix, so I know whether it's worth trying various broken things to see if they're fixed.05:45
KinnisonWe had a spec for launchpad news page05:45
Kinnisonbut I don't think we've implemented it yet05:45
SteveAright05:45
jbailey'k05:45
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SteveAyeah, pictures are BACK IN ACTION05:47
stubok librarian is back up. So we are now running HEAD05:47
lifelessnot currently05:47
SteveAsivang: you could help implement it05:47
Kinnisonyep, my hackergotchi works05:47
kikosivang, can you register a spec on it? I'll help out05:49
sivangkiko: ofcourse, wil do05:50
sivangSteveA: I'd be interested, yes.05:50
sivangkiko: I'll go look for the already exisitng page on the launchapd wiki , I Know there is one05:50
Kinnisonsivang: LaunchpadWhatsNew05:51
kikorocksnrolling05:51
jbaileyI worry a bit that a news section isn't quite enough, since it always requires a commitment from the launchpad release managers to ensure that there's a news entry on each update.05:53
jbaileyDunno if that's reasonable to cover there, or if it needs to be approached a different way.05:53
kikojbailey, I can make that commitment, though -- is that what you're concerned about?05:53
Kinnisonjbailey: The idea was that committing a feature to launchpad would require a news entry along with the rest -- enforced by code review05:54
kikohardest question to SteveA gets free lunch05:54
jbaileykiko: Yup. =)  I just wasn't sure if the spec was the right place to ask for that.05:54
jbaileySince it's a social issue more than a techincal one.05:54
Kinnisonlaunchpad presentation time dude05:55
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sivangjbailey: wouldn't assigning someome to do that and to be in contact with developments (subscribed to -commits) and then publish an new entry?05:56
sivangjbailey: would work?05:56
sabdflkiko does a monthly "what happened in launchpad" mail05:56
sabdflwe should publish that more widely05:56
stubsabdfl: First two db patches are fine. Stick them both in patch-25-49-0.sql unless you have a need for two numbers06:00
stubsabdfl: Why do you want to move KarmaCategories into the database? 06:00
jbaileysabdfl: I was more thinking something that's JIT to the updates.  Mostly so I can see if bugs have been fixed, or what the crack-of-the-moment features are.06:01
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jbaileyHmm, subscribing to a calendar seems to be a noop06:07
sabdfljbailey: if we put bug fixing notices in the commits, we could generate that automatically06:11
sabdflwhen patches are merged to mainline, or rolled out to production06:11
sabdflproduction would be more interesting, but perhaps trickier to maintain06:11
smurfRequestExpired -- A server error occurred06:13
jbaileyRight.  That's why I wasn't sure if the spec was a good place to ask for it, since it's more of a social request than a technical one.06:13
Kinnisonelmo: can you install all the launchpad deps on drescher?06:16
Kinnisonelmo: the rollout stuff says:06:16
Kinnison<exceptions.ImportError instance at 0x2aaaad05f710> No module named Crypto.Util.randpool06:16
Kinnisondunno what the heck that is, but hey :-)06:16
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sivangnice06:20
sivangtrying to add the spec gives me the Oops page :-/06:20
sivangspec name was "launchpad-news" and then , just to make sure I wasn't reusing an already existing one I used "launchpad-news2"06:24
KinnisonSteveA: mango curry recipe on my blog06:31
Kinnisonjbailey: ditto06:31
jbaileymango curry>06:31
Kinnisonjbailey: I'm guessing that s/yoghurt/soya-<thing>/ will work to make it vegan06:31
jbaileyIs it sweet like pinapple curry, or does it add more depth to the flavour?06:31
jbaileyKinnison: We have vegan yogurt.  Fabio even had some the other night, he's not dead yet. =)06:32
Kinnisonjbailey: it's usually slightly sharp06:32
Kinnisonjbailey: it has a lot of flavour shape06:32
Kinnisonjbailey: and as long as you don't smush all the mangoes the same, it has nice texture too06:32
Kinnisonjbailey: I'm tempted to try adding sultanas to it next time06:33
sivangsabdfl: are you able to check for spec tracker's error-log ? (see log for my spec registering problem)06:34
sabdflsivang: i don't see any errors in the log from you?06:36
sabdflarghh.. missed stub06:37
BjornTsivang: the error was that there already is a spec with the same url.06:39
Kinnisonsivang: call it launchpad-whatsnew 06:40
kikojbailey, I can probably do weekly reports and then glue them together into a monthly report06:40
sabdfllifeless: "revert" in baz 1.x too?06:40
lifelessah, undo -- filename06:41
kikosivang, tell me about this error -- was the spec registered?06:41
sivangKinnison: after that I changed the name, to launchpad-news206:41
sivangKinnison: still didn't work06:41
Kinnisonoh okay06:41
Kinnisonodd06:41
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kikoargh06:42
kikoI need to learn how to use computers06:42
kikosivang, you were saying?06:42
lifelessnah06:42
sivangkiko: just a sec06:42
lifelesscomputer, scmuters06:42
BjornTsivang, kiko: with the same url, i meant https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/LaunchpadWhatsNew06:43
kikoah06:43
kikoright06:43
lifelesshttps://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+spec/whats-new looks like it06:43
lifelessso why do we need the new entry ?06:43
kikowe don't06:43
kikoI'll approve it for ubz06:43
sivangBjornT: ah06:43
sivangBjornT: so it should have said "A spec with that hyper link already exists" instead of the error page?06:44
kikoit's even approved06:44
kikosivang, yeah, that's right -- I thought a bug was filed on that06:45
BjornTsivang: yeah, something like that. every time you get an error page, it's a bug.06:45
sivangkiko: let me see if there's a bug on that, if not I will file one06:45
kikocool06:45
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sivangkiko: k, mpt already filed a  bug about it06:49
kikorock and roll06:53
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Kinnisonciao07:05
smi|eciao07:05
sivangKinnison: launch is upstrais right?07:05
koke2nd floor I guess07:06
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uwsIs it on purpose that the main bugs page in malone show CLOSED/fixed bugs as well as OPEN ones?08:27
uws+bugs versus +bugs-open08:28
uws+bugs seems to be an alias for +bugs-all08:28
elmoKinnison: pyhton-crypto installed08:36
Kinnisonta08:36
Kinnisonelmo: also, can drescher please have the en_GB.UTF-8 locale?08:37
elmowhy?  you know you can turn the SendEnv crap off right?08:39
elmoI don't desperately want to start installing locales per user, in a company this distributed, it's a maintenance nightmare08:39
lifelessyou could just install them all08:39
lifeless;)08:39
BjornTuws: no, fixed bugs shouldn't be shown. i'll try to fix it soon, or first thing tomorrow morning08:41
Kinnisonelmo: okay08:42
uwsBjornT: Cool, do you want me to file a bug report? (I guess not)08:46
BjornTuws: no, it's not needed. thanks for bringing it up, though.08:47
ajmitchgetting request expired for motu assignedbugs page again08:48
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sivangddaa: hey david :)08:49
sivangwhere can I see the BOF schedule for tomorrow ?08:52
jbaileysivang: It's in the /topic of #ubz08:52
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Belutzwhen I see my profile page in launchpad, it says "the home page is like a wiki page blabla.." but when i want to create a home page, there's a footnote that says "It is NOT a wiki blabla...", well it's not really important, just make me confuse for a moment09:27
KinnisonBelutz: thanks for that. It's a bug if we confuse people like that09:27
Kinnisonsabdfl: is that your interface?09:27
sabdflKinnison: yes. Belutz, good point, i'll fix that09:28
BelutzKinnison, i'm glad i could help09:28
KinnisonOMG, my brain says bzr but my fingers keep saying baz09:28
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Belutzone more question though, hmm i'm applying to be ubuntu members, but, how could i get ubuntu members testimonial when all i did is translating?09:29
KinnisonYou probably need to find someone who can attest to your translation work09:29
KinnisonSomeone involved with the projects you've helped to translate?09:29
KinnisonE.g. if you helped translate some of the installer, then perhaps Colin Watson?09:29
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Belutzhmm, i see, i currently still translating the faqguide as i see it's the most important thing at the moment09:30
KinnisonRight, so someone from ubuntu-doc is your best bet09:30
Kinnisonhey mdx09:30
Kinnisonerm mdz09:30
Kinnisonmdz: drescher is publishing now09:31
Kinnisonmdz: this will take some time09:31
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BelutzKinnison, thanks for the answer, i'm looking to be the first ubuntu member from Indonesia, i think there's no one from Indonesia yet, afaik09:32
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KinnisonBelutz: cool. It's nice to hear of the community growing there09:33
Kinnisonhey handsome09:33
Kinnison(I did *NOT* just say that)09:33
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mdketalking to Belutz eh?09:39
Belutzhi mdke :-)09:39
mdkehi09:39
jameshthe load average on chinstrap is down to 1009:49
Kinnisonjamesh: really?09:50
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jameshmine are finished, so I suppose there is a slot open :)09:50
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jameshhttps://staging.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+source/pcmcia-cs/+bug/3547 <- an imported bugzilla bug on staging10:06
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Kinnisonhey again, handsome10:13
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Belutzis uploading a .po file will show up as "Translation Suggestion Approved" ?10:40
=== ..[topic/#launchpad:ddaa] : Discussion with Launchpad users and developers. || https://launchpad.net/ || Includes Rosetta and Malone. || http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ || UBZ development summit in progress || Please, use #ubuntu-translators for any question about translations not related directly with Rosetta
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Kinnisonsabdfl: 50G and counting11:01
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Kinnisonelmo: domination phase entered :-)12:06

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