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rob^how far from being complete is the userguide?12:57
=== rob^ thinks about rescuing a lot of it for the desktop guide
=== mdke thinks he made that proposal last week and it was accepted
rob^just taking a look now..12:58
mdkethe idea is to use the userguide to make the desktop guide a bit more user friendly12:58
rob^it wasn't validating either, fixed that12:58
rob^hmm12:59
rob^I wonder if its eaiser to just gut the stuff that hasn't been done from the userguide, add in some faq guide and pretty it up01:00
mdkeno i don't think so01:00
rob^some eye of nute etc..01:00
mdkeare you suggesting releasing both a desktop guide and a userguide?01:01
rob^no01:01
rob^I'm just thinking that we could merge the two (but not make it so long)01:01
rob^and obviously that would involve removing the qanda format from the faq guide01:02
mdkei think the best way is to continue to work on the desktopguide but use bits from the userguide to expand some sections where explanations are important01:02
rob^yeah sure01:03
rob^this might take a while :)01:04
rob^I suppose we don't need the intro to linux, and installing ubuntu01:05
=== Burglaptop is now in Montreal
mdkehi corey01:07
rob^hello01:07
mdkerob^, the server guide will take longer01:07
rob^heh01:07
rob^I thought about all kinds of useless things for it last night, like managing printers etc01:08
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=== mdke has an immense headache
rob^that sucks02:20
mdkeit is more of a moral headache02:20
=== rob^ makes several changes to DesktopGuide on wiki
rob^?02:20
mdkei'm tired after trying to make a website work with IE02:20
rob^heh02:20
mdkei think I've more or less tamed it though02:20
rob^I know that pain02:21
mdkemy problem is that I do trial and error because I never actually took the time to learn what css means02:21
rob^oh02:21
mdke;)02:21
mdkecheck it out02:21
mdkehttp://help.ubuntu-it.org/output/02:21
rob^mmm pretty02:22
rob^http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp <- thats helpful02:22
mdkereading ugh02:22
mdkebookmarking02:22
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mdkeany tips for that site?02:23
rob^it looks pretty much like its meant to02:23
jjesseevning02:23
mdkehi jjesse 02:23
rob^hi jjesse 02:23
mdkerob^, got IE handy?02:25
jjesseon help.ubuntu.com can we get the kubuntu docs loaded under "documentation"02:25
rob^I think I still have it in wine02:25
jjessemdke i do02:25
jjesseconnected via windows box tonight02:25
mdkejjesse, can you look at http://help.ubuntu-it.org/output/ and tell me if the icon has a transparent background02:26
rob^no thats right I removed it, sorry02:26
mdkeand also if there are any other errors02:26
jjesseabout kubuntu and kreleasenotes need to be added to doc. ubuntu.com02:26
mdkejjesse, are they complete?02:26
jjessei meant help.ubuntu.com sorry02:26
mdkeyeah02:26
jjessethose are the docs that went w/ the release 02:26
mdkeok02:26
mdkei can find them in branches/breezy?02:27
mdkethey have stylesheets now?02:27
jjessemdke   http://help.ubuntu-it.org/output/  those look good02:27
mdkethe icon is transparent?02:27
rob^so do we want to kill the qanda format of the desktop guide?02:27
mdkerob^, i do, but i think we should discuss all together at a meeting02:27
rob^dam, thats a whole week away02:27
mdkeplenty of time02:28
mdkelots to do02:28
rob^if we do, I have a plan for the layout on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopGuide02:28
mdkechanging the layout?02:28
mdkeargh02:28
rob^no, just to more fit in with a book style02:28
rob^that good english me did02:29
mdkeyeah that looks good02:29
jjessemdke yes those docs have the stylesheet02:29
mdkei would have another section on what ubuntu is and gnu and linux and such02:30
mdkejjesse, oh, i didn't see any changes on the commit list, must have missed em. lemme try now02:30
rob^mdke, I was thinking about that02:30
rob^might pull it from the ug02:30
mdkeyes02:30
jjessemdke pardon my ignorance but do they have to be built a different way for .html?02:31
mdkejjesse02:31
mdkethe problem is that they look like this:02:31
mdkehttp://help.ubuntu.com/about-kubuntu/C/02:31
mdkebecause they are using the kde system stylesheet02:31
jjesseinstead of the kubuntu stylesheet?02:32
mdkewe can't host them like that02:32
mdkeinstead of the web stylesheet02:32
jjesseoh ok, sorry a little slow on learning, so if i ask silly questions let me know02:32
mdkeor some other stylesheet02:32
mdkeif you set it to use the same stylesheet as the adept guide uses in trunk, that will be fine02:32
mdkei'll have a look tomorrow if you don't succeed02:34
jjesseok02:34
jjessedon't you hate it when you grab a bottle of wine out of the fridge, take a sip and realize it has been open to long :(02:34
rob^yum02:35
mdkeheh02:36
mdkerob^, if you reload/go to the page again, is it better or worse?02:47
mdkeexcepting the rubbish hackergotchi of course02:48
rob^still looks ok to me02:50
jjessewant me to check IE?02:51
mdkejjesse, ok if you don't mind, it should work tho02:51
mdkerob^, better or worse dammit02:51
jjessei don't mind that is http://help.ubuntu-it.org/output/ ?02:51
mdkeyeah02:51
rob^what did you change?02:52
jjessei don't see much of a difference02:52
mdkei put the title in line with the main post text and moved everything left02:52
mdkeanyway, at least it's working02:53
rob^well I guess that makes it look neater02:53
jjesselooks fine w/ me02:53
mdkethanks02:53
mdkei have been bashing my head against IE02:53
jjesseIE sucks :)02:53
rob^yep02:53
mdkewhat are the fonts like of that page in IE?02:54
jjessecan't get my modem to play nice w/ ubuntu for some reason so i still have a  windows box that i use @ home02:54
mdkeyeah modems suck too02:54
rob^what kind of modem?02:55
jjesseLT Win MOdem :(02:55
rob^that should work with a 2.4 kernel02:55
rob^and the ltmodem drivers of cause02:56
jjessei'll have to try again02:56
rob^I've had problems with 2.602:56
rob^what I did was set up an old box with smoothwall which uses the 2.4 kernel still02:57
jjessewe are moving to cable modem soon so i'm not in a big hurry to worry bout it02:57
rob^ah02:57
rob^yeah dialup sucks02:57
rob^getting bb is the best thing I've done since owning a computer02:58
rob^computer related of cause ;)02:58
jjessetry troubleshooting work computer problems over dial up -> vpn and then a terminal server connection02:59
jjessethen you relaize how much it sucks02:59
rob^haha02:59
rob^I bet that was slow02:59
jjesseit is slow i do it all the time02:00
jjessebut i can write some of my broadband expenses off my tax's02:00
rob^yeah same :)02:00
jjessewhen i need to do a lot of work, i borrow my neighbor's wireless connection that is open and i can connect to :)02:00
mdkegood thinking02:02
rob^hehe02:02
jjesseso rob^ what country are you in?02:03
rob^australia02:03
jjesseah i'm in michigan in the united states02:03
rob^ah02:04
=== rob^ wonders what they decided to do with the next cc meeting
jjesseyou didn't get an email?02:06
jjessefrom dennis?02:06
jjessewhat's your address?02:06
rob^its sunday so I haven't been at work since friday02:06
rob^thats where the emails are going02:06
jjesseoh02:06
mdkenight y'all02:07
jjessei could forward the one i have to a different location?02:07
jjessenight mdke02:07
rob^mdke before you go02:07
mdkesure02:07
mdkethe clocks have gone back anyhow02:07
rob^i cant make a 1400 friday meeting -> christmas party on that night02:07
mdke22/23?02:07
=== rob^ will be drunk on a boat somewhere
rob^sure, I'll probably be pretty hung over though02:08
mdkewe'll see when most people are free02:08
rob^cool02:08
rob^ok bye mdke 02:08
mdkebyee02:08
jjessehmm getting ready for bed, have to be up early 02:10
rob^hmm, lunch time soon02:11
Madpilothi all03:22
Madpilotanyone know if the creator of CommandlineHowto - DagRuneSneeggen - has been here or on the doc list?03:33
MadpilotCommandLineHowto looks like it'll be impressive; I'm wondering if the basic/intro stuff should be rolled into BasicCommands at some point03:33
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Burglaptopbonsoir robitaille 04:01
robitailleHey Burglaptop.  So are you in Montreal yet?04:02
Burglaptopindeed04:04
MadpilotBurglaptop: good flight?04:05
Burglaptopmore sardinny that usual04:05
Burglaptopthe flight from vancouver was mostly full04:05
Madpilotwhich airline?04:05
BurglaptopAC04:05
MadpilotAir Communism! ;)04:05
BurglaptopAir I-get-no-breakfast04:06
Madpilotthat's just the planned famine in action, comrade!04:06
Burglaptopand Air I-get-no-snack-even-when-I-ask-for-it04:06
MadpilotBurglaptop: Doug says he still thinks AC service is better than most US airlines... how's that for a sobering thought?04:08
Burglaptopouch04:10
Burglaptopnight04:10
Madpilotlater04:11
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highvoltageany plans to customise man pages in the future?11:02
mdkei haven't heard of any11:02
mdkewhat did you have in mind?11:02
highvoltagei just looked at apt-proxy(8), and it refers to a "deb http://SERVER:9999/debian stable main contrib non-free"11:03
highvoltagei think it would be nice to get those man pages in a kind of document system and edit them for ubuntu, but i don't have any idea where one would start with such a process.11:04
highvoltagei don't have anything in mind, really, just something i'm thinking about, wondering if there's already a solution being divised.11:04
mdkenot with us11:04
mdkethat would be likely to be on the -devel side11:05
highvoltageinteresting.11:05
highvoltagemdke: excuse my ignorance, what is the current doc-team plans? is it to use the wiki for documentation, or svn, and is there a defined scope of documentation the docteam will cover?11:08
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Madpilothighvoltage: we're going to take over the world, actually, using secret mind-control docs... but if I told you more, I'd have to kill you :)11:09
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mdkehighvoltage, DocteamProjects is the central page to check11:09
highvoltageMadpilot: excellent.11:09
highvoltageah, i see.11:10
highvoltagewhat time is the doc-team meeting taking place on 4 november?11:12
Madpilot1400 ZULU, I think11:12
linuxboyhighvoltage: what you were saying about man pages, thats why I avoid universe as much as possible11:13
mdkewe need to reconsider the time though11:13
linuxboyuniverse isn't up to the same standard as main11:13
mdkelinuxboy, apt-proxy is in universe?11:13
linuxboyadrian@turtle:~$ apt-cache show apt-proxy11:15
linuxboyPackage: apt-proxy11:15
linuxboyPriority: extra11:15
linuxboySection: universe/admin11:15
linuxboyuh huh11:15
highvoltagelinuxboy: i don't think the man pages in main are customised either.11:15
linuxboystill, universe is just slapped together11:16
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mdkegosh11:16
highvoltagei agree that main is much cleaner than universe, it's only to be expected. but i think to say that univers is just slapped together is harsh.11:17
python_when the new docs have been created does this mean the old wiki will become dead?11:17
mdkepython_, eh?11:17
highvoltageogra and the motu team puts in lots of man-hours to keep the universe in shape.11:17
mdkei don't understand the question11:17
linuxboyhighvoltage: ok... when compairing universe to main, it seems slapped together11:18
linuxboybecause main is really really good11:18
mdkehighvoltage, yeah but starting from debian each time means that they have to keep putting in man hours and can't fix everything11:18
highvoltagelinuxboy: i think it's just because main is really, really good *shrug*11:19
python_well, ubuntu now have a help.ubuntu and an official document guide, so does tht mean the wiki we normally use will carry on as normal or will become unactive11:19
highvoltageuniverse isn't at all bad, compared to debian, or even to what is officially supported in many, many other distros.11:19
mdkepython_, no the wiki will continue11:19
mdkepython_, it provides unofficial documentation11:20
python_ok11:20
mdkepython_, however, we are thinking of moving the pages to help.ubuntu.com to have them together with the other documents11:20
mdkesee https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/better-wiki-docs11:21
python_What makes the document official does it have to be signed off by the ubuntu doc team11:21
mdkepython_, yes, that's the idea11:21
mdkethe wiki is open to ALL to edit, so anyone can introduce a mistake unintentionally11:21
mdkebut it also has a greater sphere of input11:22
mdkeso advantages and disadvantages...11:22
python_how do i go about contributing to the official doc11:22
mdkepython_, see http://doc.ubuntu.com, join our mailing list, download our repository etc11:22
mdkeask here if you need help11:23
python_cheers11:23
python_Are there any software tools to help creating your Documentation11:24
mdkewell yes11:24
mdkeit is not too hard11:24
mdkebut you need to get used to docbook xml a little11:24
mdkeit is quick to learn11:25
mdkeyou can use something like gedit or bluefish to edit11:25
python_ill be okay, i am a fully fledged eek ;-)11:25
python_geek11:25
mdkeah cool11:25
python_coder by heart11:25
mdkefrom the uk?11:25
mdke<-- uk11:25
python_yea11:25
python_but i can do good doc too11:25
mdkeheh11:25
python_i have a degree and achieved first class hons11:26
mdkegreat well we'll look forward to seeing some of your patches!11:26
python_so can write good documentation too11:26
python_i dont get time to do any patches or contribution as im working on my own project at minnute11:27
python_in time i hope to join and contribute towards GNOME11:27
mdkecool11:27
python_Looking at some of the things to do with TANGO in GNOME i think GNOME is going to be quite cool11:28
mdkei am a gnome fan myself11:28
python_already is but will be even better11:28
python_so what puts u off KDE11:29
mdkenothing11:30
mdkei just like GNOME11:30
python_mdke bluefish is great but i wish they would sort the problem out of its syntax highlighting11:31
python_its a major downfall11:31
mdkeit highlights docbook xml ok for me11:31
mdkei haven't used it much with other things11:31
python_have u never noticed it looses its syntax highlighting11:32
python_i now use Jedit11:32
python_great open source editor11:32
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python_mdke thanks for info 11:38
mdkenp11:38
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jsgotangcohey Burglaptop 04:17
Burglaptopsalut04:19
mdkehey corey04:19
Burglaptoplistening to Jeff talk right now04:19
Burglaptopsalut mdke 04:19
spayneBurglaptop: is it fun?04:21
Burglaptopindeed04:22
the--dudoh, that's fucking great, only now do I notice that the authentication database isnt available on the wiki!04:24
the--dudbeen writing about 50 new lines on my howto >_<04:24
the--dudgone like a fucking fart in the wind!04:24
the--dudbloody crap04:24
spaynemdke: hello from here04:24
mdkespayne, if a empty page isn't linked anywhere on the wiki, you can delete it, you don't need a redirect04:25
jsgotangcoBurglaptop: uphold the dokteam kause!04:25
spaynemdke: i wasn't sure what to do, there was the old HulaHowto and my new Hula, BuildingHula and InstallingHula04:25
spaynemdke: how do i delete a page?04:25
mdkegah04:25
mdkeyou read the wiki documentation!04:25
the--dud#""%#&#$$04:25
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spaynemdke: WikiGuide said to put a redirect and not delete04:26
mdkebloody hell04:26
mdkeit says that deleting breaks links04:26
mdkeif there are no links, that is not a problem04:27
mdkespayne, when I said "please read WikiGuide", i should have said "please read and take the time to understand WikiGuide"04:28
mdkeanyhow, it's not a big deal making a redirect04:28
mdkei was just trying to help you understand when it is necessary and when it isn't04:29
spaynemdke: i understand now04:29
mdkecool04:29
spaynemdke: these tid bits are very useful - thanks04:29
spaynemdke: i might get there ONE day ;)04:29
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mdkei'm sure you will04:30
mdkejust read the docs04:30
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jsgotangcomdke: do you happen to know how controls the dns for loco domains?04:36
mdkewho?04:41
mdkesure matthias ulrichs04:41
mdkegot his email?04:41
jsgotangcoyes04:42
jsgotangcoi'll just email him04:42
mdkeyah04:43
mdkegot your own server or using his?04:43
jsgotangcowell henrik set us up a serverpronto04:44
mdkejust for tl?04:44
mdkewhoa04:44
mdkethat is major overkill!04:44
jsgotangcowell we'll have to share it with someone else for sure04:44
mdkeah fair enough04:44
jsgotangcosure it only has 101GB of hdd free04:44
mdkelol04:45
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Burglaptopgrr05:10
jsgotangcoUno? hahaha05:14
Burglaptopbloody wireless keeps dying on me05:16
ajmitchworks for me :)05:16
jsgotangcowhat time is it there? past lunch?05:17
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Burglaptopbloody wireless dying on me05:42
KinnisonBurglaptop: clearly you just suck :-)05:43
Burglaptopright05:43
KinnisonGlad you agree :-)05:44
KinnisonBurglaptop: boo!05:47
ajmitchBurglaptop: you had to as, didn't you? ;)05:54
ajmitchs/as/ask/05:54
Kinnisonhis wireless is broken again :-)05:55
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=== mdke gets into another slanging match on the forums
mdke:/06:21
mdkeno matter how many times I try, every thread I join always ends in disharmony06:21
robitaillewhich forums?  the official ones, or the marketing ones?06:22
robitailletoo many forums.... I hate forums compared to mailing lists.06:22
jsgotangcoforums are flame baits06:22
Kinnisonmdke: /nick Mars06:22
jsgotangcoyou get lots of silly threads in forums and its unfortunate that some n00bs who come to forums are the antisocials06:24
mdkethe official forums06:25
mdkestart at post 57 here06:25
mdkehttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=77704&page=606:25
jsgotangcoNew User Literature06:26
jsgotangcouh oh06:27
mdkenah that is ok06:27
mdkeis gets worse on page 706:27
mdkeoh well06:29
=== mdke gives up with forums
jsgotangcoi can just post and say we don't support crack06:29
jsgotangcohehe06:29
mdkeargh06:29
mdkeand ruin all my hard work with diplomacy?06:29
jsgotangcobut since its a 3rd party project i'll just look at it06:30
mdkeit's true that the ubuntuguide was essentially the driving force behind our faqguide though06:30
mdkeso we benefitted from its existence06:30
jsgotangcosure but people like crack...06:30
mdkei don't think that's the point06:31
mdkewe can produce docs that people like06:31
mdkei am against two guides because i don't like the idea of an official and an unofficial "competing"06:31
mdkeand because I don't think the ubuntuguide will have quality control like the docteam can have06:32
jsgotangco well just in case you didn't know chua did fedoraguide before and created quite a stir in the fedora community as well06:32
mdkelol i didn't know that06:32
mdkebut the fedora docs are pretty poor actually06:33
jsgotangcodrbyte had a thing or two to say about that incident06:33
mdkefucking totem built into firefox is such a pain06:33
mdkefirefox keeps crashing06:33
=== jsgotangco learned about it after hanging out in #iosn
jsgotangcoso basically what was written in fedora before was crack and was just transferred to ubuntu heh06:34
mdkewell in any case ubuntuguide was a useful and popular resource06:35
mdkebut we need to move forward06:35
jsgotangcoi'll just let it be if you ask me06:36
mdkeyeah i'm gonna stop now06:36
mdkebut i had to reply after he wrote "it'll be ok"06:36
mdkei hate being patronised06:37
jsgotangcoyeah06:37
jsgotangcoi'll just post to voice my opinion06:37
mdkedon't say bad stuff about the ubuntuguide06:37
jsgotangconope06:37
mdkeit's just a question of development management really06:38
jsgotangcoCRACKERS06:38
jsgotangcoheh06:38
mdkeCOME ON THE DAPPER DUCK!06:42
mdkehe has his bill in front by a clear 40 votes06:42
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mdkejsgotangco, can we arrange a new time for the meeting next week?07:00
mdke1400 all the time is a shame07:00
jsgotangcoyeah07:01
jsgotangcowe should revolve scheds again07:01
mdkea later one would be good for me07:01
jsgotangcoalthough im about to start my new job in a few days, definitely 22:00 meetings are a no no07:04
mdkeyour time or UTC?07:04
jsgotangcoUTC07:04
mdkewouldnt' that be saturday morning for you?07:05
jsgotangcooh right...07:05
jsgotangcoi forgot07:05
jsgotangcoi thought we were still doing the thursday thing...07:05
ajmitch8am brisbane time, I think07:05
jsgotangcoyep07:06
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=== mdke installs moin on his home server
mdkeweeeeee07:39
highvoltagei need to install moin at some point. i've only installed mediawiki at varios places.07:40
mdkeit is ridiculously difficult to install07:41
mdkehenrik is in near death throes as we speak07:41
highvoltagewhat does that mean?07:41
highvoltageis he having health problems?07:41
mdkeno no07:41
mdkei meant with the difficulty of moin installation07:41
highvoltageaaah. shew!07:42
mdkesorry07:42
highvoltageno problem. just keep in mind that for some of us, english is our second language :)07:43
mdkeis it yours?07:43
mdkeyou can't pull that on me, your english is totally fluent07:44
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highvoltagemdke: yes, english is my second language07:47
mdkegosh07:48
mdkewhat's first?07:48
highvoltageAfrikaans07:48
highvoltagemy mother is afrikaans, and my father english, so i get to be good at both :)07:49
mdkeah07:50
mdkewell so english is your first equal language :)07:50
highvoltage:)07:50
highvoltagei want to learn isiXhosa (local language) and Spanish too.07:50
highvoltagedo you speak any other language, other than legalese and engrish?07:51
mdkeitalian07:51
mdkemy english is better tho07:51
highvoltagei would've never guessed :)07:52
highvoltageare there many italian speaking people in london?07:52
mdkelots of italians :)07:53
mdkenot a lot of italian speaking english people tho07:53
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spaynemdke, ping08:09
mdkehi08:10
spaynemdke: i'm redoing the Beagle documentation on the Wiki08:10
mdkeright08:10
spaynemdke: and i'm gonna remove the Warty and Hoary pages, how do i check if there are any links to those pages?08:10
mdkeyou read the WikiGuide08:10
mdkei'm never gonna get tired of saying that to you08:10
mdketest me!08:11
spayne:)08:11
mdkewhy would you remove the warty and hoary pages?08:11
spaynethey use 'evil' methods08:11
spaynei.e. broken backports08:12
mdkeare there better methods?08:13
spaynewell, i could just do a new Beagle page with links to those08:13
mdkeit's possible that people will still run hoary and want beagle i guess08:13
spaynethey are severly outdated08:13
mdkeok, well either update em or nuke em I suppose08:13
mdkebut bear in mind not everything is using breezy08:14
spaynewell08:16
spayneHoary is OK i suppose08:16
spaynebut Warty is way out of date08:16
highvoltageWarty is stil supported, though.08:17
spaynei know but it talks about compiling from CVS08:17
spayneand CVS requires stuff more modern than Breezy08:18
mdkeso update it08:18
highvoltagesorry, just jumping in... i just think that it's important to keep information of supported distro's in the docs.08:18
mdkeme too08:18
spaynebut there is no way Beagle will run on Warty08:18
spaynea.) it requires Mono 1.1.7 - warty has a 1.0.x release08:18
highvoltagei think you should just mention on the page that it won't run on warty, and why.08:18
mdkeyeap08:19
spaynewill do08:19
spaynedoes everyone have these problems08:20
spayneor just me :)08:20
mdkewhich problems?08:21
spayneabout what to do with older packages08:21
spaynewhether to redirect, destory or put a warning in08:21
spaynei feel hopeless :(08:21
mdkemake one page for Beagle with information for all versions08:23
mdkenote that it won't run on warty etc08:23
spayneone step ahead of yoi08:23
spaynelike i did for iFolder, Hula....08:23
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mdkespayne, i wanted to ask about Hula08:26
spaynego08:26
mdkespayne, is the guide on the Hula wiki for Ubuntu being updated?08:26
mdke(installation guide)08:27
mdkeit wouldn't make sense for us to have an installation guide on the Ubuntu wiki if it is08:27
spayneno, i've put a link in08:27
spaynei maintain both08:27
mdkethe link was there, I created the page ;)08:27
spaynehttp://www.hula-project.org/Ubuntu08:27
spaynecreated what page?08:27
mdkethe first Hula page on wiki.u.c08:28
spayneoh right :)08:28
mdkeanyhow, it's best to just maintain one08:28
spayneno, i did all the documentation on the Hula Wiki08:28
spaynei know - that is the plan08:28
spaynei asked the Hula community08:28
mdkehave a link from the Ubuntu wiki to the Hula one08:28
spaynei was doing it the other way08:28
spaynelook at that page08:28
mdkevice versa works too08:28
spaynesorry, i'm a bit stressed atm08:28
spayneplaying ET later08:29
spaynemy server just crashed and died08:29
spaynei'm trying to do this Beagle crap08:29
spayneargh! help!08:29
mdkehi jenda 08:31
jendahello08:31
jendanot mech going on here :)08:35
jenda*much08:35
mdketrue08:35
mdkedoc.u.c and help.u.c websites going down for about 10 minutes08:41
mdkeas if anyone cares :D08:42
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mdkeserver back up again08:46
jendamdke: I care I care! I really do!08:53
mdkeyuh08:53
mdkeconvincing08:53
jendaWell... maybe I don't.08:53
jenda:)08:53
mdkehighvoltage, omg this is insanely difficult, are you familiar with mod_fastcgi?08:59
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Belutzmdke, for the sources.list in the faqguide (for upgrading ubuntu) i should keep the sources.list in english right?09:40
mdkeyeah09:43
mdkeif that is what users have09:43
Belutzok mdke, thanks09:43
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