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| rob^ | how far from being complete is the userguide? | 12:57 |
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| === rob^ thinks about rescuing a lot of it for the desktop guide | ||
| === mdke thinks he made that proposal last week and it was accepted | ||
| rob^ | just taking a look now.. | 12:58 |
| mdke | the idea is to use the userguide to make the desktop guide a bit more user friendly | 12:58 |
| rob^ | it wasn't validating either, fixed that | 12:58 |
| rob^ | hmm | 12:59 |
| rob^ | I wonder if its eaiser to just gut the stuff that hasn't been done from the userguide, add in some faq guide and pretty it up | 01:00 |
| mdke | no i don't think so | 01:00 |
| rob^ | some eye of nute etc.. | 01:00 |
| mdke | are you suggesting releasing both a desktop guide and a userguide? | 01:01 |
| rob^ | no | 01:01 |
| rob^ | I'm just thinking that we could merge the two (but not make it so long) | 01:01 |
| rob^ | and obviously that would involve removing the qanda format from the faq guide | 01:02 |
| mdke | i think the best way is to continue to work on the desktopguide but use bits from the userguide to expand some sections where explanations are important | 01:02 |
| rob^ | yeah sure | 01:03 |
| rob^ | this might take a while :) | 01:04 |
| rob^ | I suppose we don't need the intro to linux, and installing ubuntu | 01:05 |
| === Burglaptop is now in Montreal | ||
| mdke | hi corey | 01:07 |
| rob^ | hello | 01:07 |
| mdke | rob^, the server guide will take longer | 01:07 |
| rob^ | heh | 01:07 |
| rob^ | I thought about all kinds of useless things for it last night, like managing printers etc | 01:08 |
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| === mdke has an immense headache | ||
| rob^ | that sucks | 02:20 |
| mdke | it is more of a moral headache | 02:20 |
| === rob^ makes several changes to DesktopGuide on wiki | ||
| rob^ | ? | 02:20 |
| mdke | i'm tired after trying to make a website work with IE | 02:20 |
| rob^ | heh | 02:20 |
| mdke | i think I've more or less tamed it though | 02:20 |
| rob^ | I know that pain | 02:21 |
| mdke | my problem is that I do trial and error because I never actually took the time to learn what css means | 02:21 |
| rob^ | oh | 02:21 |
| mdke | ;) | 02:21 |
| mdke | check it out | 02:21 |
| mdke | http://help.ubuntu-it.org/output/ | 02:21 |
| rob^ | mmm pretty | 02:22 |
| rob^ | http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp <- thats helpful | 02:22 |
| mdke | reading ugh | 02:22 |
| mdke | bookmarking | 02:22 |
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| mdke | any tips for that site? | 02:23 |
| rob^ | it looks pretty much like its meant to | 02:23 |
| jjesse | evning | 02:23 |
| mdke | hi jjesse | 02:23 |
| rob^ | hi jjesse | 02:23 |
| mdke | rob^, got IE handy? | 02:25 |
| jjesse | on help.ubuntu.com can we get the kubuntu docs loaded under "documentation" | 02:25 |
| rob^ | I think I still have it in wine | 02:25 |
| jjesse | mdke i do | 02:25 |
| jjesse | connected via windows box tonight | 02:25 |
| mdke | jjesse, can you look at http://help.ubuntu-it.org/output/ and tell me if the icon has a transparent background | 02:26 |
| rob^ | no thats right I removed it, sorry | 02:26 |
| mdke | and also if there are any other errors | 02:26 |
| jjesse | about kubuntu and kreleasenotes need to be added to doc. ubuntu.com | 02:26 |
| mdke | jjesse, are they complete? | 02:26 |
| jjesse | i meant help.ubuntu.com sorry | 02:26 |
| mdke | yeah | 02:26 |
| jjesse | those are the docs that went w/ the release | 02:26 |
| mdke | ok | 02:26 |
| mdke | i can find them in branches/breezy? | 02:27 |
| mdke | they have stylesheets now? | 02:27 |
| jjesse | mdke http://help.ubuntu-it.org/output/ those look good | 02:27 |
| mdke | the icon is transparent? | 02:27 |
| rob^ | so do we want to kill the qanda format of the desktop guide? | 02:27 |
| mdke | rob^, i do, but i think we should discuss all together at a meeting | 02:27 |
| rob^ | dam, thats a whole week away | 02:27 |
| mdke | plenty of time | 02:28 |
| mdke | lots to do | 02:28 |
| rob^ | if we do, I have a plan for the layout on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopGuide | 02:28 |
| mdke | changing the layout? | 02:28 |
| mdke | argh | 02:28 |
| rob^ | no, just to more fit in with a book style | 02:28 |
| rob^ | that good english me did | 02:29 |
| mdke | yeah that looks good | 02:29 |
| jjesse | mdke yes those docs have the stylesheet | 02:29 |
| mdke | i would have another section on what ubuntu is and gnu and linux and such | 02:30 |
| mdke | jjesse, oh, i didn't see any changes on the commit list, must have missed em. lemme try now | 02:30 |
| rob^ | mdke, I was thinking about that | 02:30 |
| rob^ | might pull it from the ug | 02:30 |
| mdke | yes | 02:30 |
| jjesse | mdke pardon my ignorance but do they have to be built a different way for .html? | 02:31 |
| mdke | jjesse | 02:31 |
| mdke | the problem is that they look like this: | 02:31 |
| mdke | http://help.ubuntu.com/about-kubuntu/C/ | 02:31 |
| mdke | because they are using the kde system stylesheet | 02:31 |
| jjesse | instead of the kubuntu stylesheet? | 02:32 |
| mdke | we can't host them like that | 02:32 |
| mdke | instead of the web stylesheet | 02:32 |
| jjesse | oh ok, sorry a little slow on learning, so if i ask silly questions let me know | 02:32 |
| mdke | or some other stylesheet | 02:32 |
| mdke | if you set it to use the same stylesheet as the adept guide uses in trunk, that will be fine | 02:32 |
| mdke | i'll have a look tomorrow if you don't succeed | 02:34 |
| jjesse | ok | 02:34 |
| jjesse | don't you hate it when you grab a bottle of wine out of the fridge, take a sip and realize it has been open to long :( | 02:34 |
| rob^ | yum | 02:35 |
| mdke | heh | 02:36 |
| mdke | rob^, if you reload/go to the page again, is it better or worse? | 02:47 |
| mdke | excepting the rubbish hackergotchi of course | 02:48 |
| rob^ | still looks ok to me | 02:50 |
| jjesse | want me to check IE? | 02:51 |
| mdke | jjesse, ok if you don't mind, it should work tho | 02:51 |
| mdke | rob^, better or worse dammit | 02:51 |
| jjesse | i don't mind that is http://help.ubuntu-it.org/output/ ? | 02:51 |
| mdke | yeah | 02:51 |
| rob^ | what did you change? | 02:52 |
| jjesse | i don't see much of a difference | 02:52 |
| mdke | i put the title in line with the main post text and moved everything left | 02:52 |
| mdke | anyway, at least it's working | 02:53 |
| rob^ | well I guess that makes it look neater | 02:53 |
| jjesse | looks fine w/ me | 02:53 |
| mdke | thanks | 02:53 |
| mdke | i have been bashing my head against IE | 02:53 |
| jjesse | IE sucks :) | 02:53 |
| rob^ | yep | 02:53 |
| mdke | what are the fonts like of that page in IE? | 02:54 |
| jjesse | can't get my modem to play nice w/ ubuntu for some reason so i still have a windows box that i use @ home | 02:54 |
| mdke | yeah modems suck too | 02:54 |
| rob^ | what kind of modem? | 02:55 |
| jjesse | LT Win MOdem :( | 02:55 |
| rob^ | that should work with a 2.4 kernel | 02:55 |
| rob^ | and the ltmodem drivers of cause | 02:56 |
| jjesse | i'll have to try again | 02:56 |
| rob^ | I've had problems with 2.6 | 02:56 |
| rob^ | what I did was set up an old box with smoothwall which uses the 2.4 kernel still | 02:57 |
| jjesse | we are moving to cable modem soon so i'm not in a big hurry to worry bout it | 02:57 |
| rob^ | ah | 02:57 |
| rob^ | yeah dialup sucks | 02:57 |
| rob^ | getting bb is the best thing I've done since owning a computer | 02:58 |
| rob^ | computer related of cause ;) | 02:58 |
| jjesse | try troubleshooting work computer problems over dial up -> vpn and then a terminal server connection | 02:59 |
| jjesse | then you relaize how much it sucks | 02:59 |
| rob^ | haha | 02:59 |
| rob^ | I bet that was slow | 02:59 |
| jjesse | it is slow i do it all the time | 02:00 |
| jjesse | but i can write some of my broadband expenses off my tax's | 02:00 |
| rob^ | yeah same :) | 02:00 |
| jjesse | when i need to do a lot of work, i borrow my neighbor's wireless connection that is open and i can connect to :) | 02:00 |
| mdke | good thinking | 02:02 |
| rob^ | hehe | 02:02 |
| jjesse | so rob^ what country are you in? | 02:03 |
| rob^ | australia | 02:03 |
| jjesse | ah i'm in michigan in the united states | 02:03 |
| rob^ | ah | 02:04 |
| === rob^ wonders what they decided to do with the next cc meeting | ||
| jjesse | you didn't get an email? | 02:06 |
| jjesse | from dennis? | 02:06 |
| jjesse | what's your address? | 02:06 |
| rob^ | its sunday so I haven't been at work since friday | 02:06 |
| rob^ | thats where the emails are going | 02:06 |
| jjesse | oh | 02:06 |
| mdke | night y'all | 02:07 |
| jjesse | i could forward the one i have to a different location? | 02:07 |
| jjesse | night mdke | 02:07 |
| rob^ | mdke before you go | 02:07 |
| mdke | sure | 02:07 |
| mdke | the clocks have gone back anyhow | 02:07 |
| rob^ | i cant make a 1400 friday meeting -> christmas party on that night | 02:07 |
| mdke | 22/23? | 02:07 |
| === rob^ will be drunk on a boat somewhere | ||
| rob^ | sure, I'll probably be pretty hung over though | 02:08 |
| mdke | we'll see when most people are free | 02:08 |
| rob^ | cool | 02:08 |
| rob^ | ok bye mdke | 02:08 |
| mdke | byee | 02:08 |
| jjesse | hmm getting ready for bed, have to be up early | 02:10 |
| rob^ | hmm, lunch time soon | 02:11 |
| Madpilot | hi all | 03:22 |
| Madpilot | anyone know if the creator of CommandlineHowto - DagRuneSneeggen - has been here or on the doc list? | 03:33 |
| Madpilot | CommandLineHowto looks like it'll be impressive; I'm wondering if the basic/intro stuff should be rolled into BasicCommands at some point | 03:33 |
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| Burglaptop | bonsoir robitaille | 04:01 |
| robitaille | Hey Burglaptop. So are you in Montreal yet? | 04:02 |
| Burglaptop | indeed | 04:04 |
| Madpilot | Burglaptop: good flight? | 04:05 |
| Burglaptop | more sardinny that usual | 04:05 |
| Burglaptop | the flight from vancouver was mostly full | 04:05 |
| Madpilot | which airline? | 04:05 |
| Burglaptop | AC | 04:05 |
| Madpilot | Air Communism! ;) | 04:05 |
| Burglaptop | Air I-get-no-breakfast | 04:06 |
| Madpilot | that's just the planned famine in action, comrade! | 04:06 |
| Burglaptop | and Air I-get-no-snack-even-when-I-ask-for-it | 04:06 |
| Madpilot | Burglaptop: Doug says he still thinks AC service is better than most US airlines... how's that for a sobering thought? | 04:08 |
| Burglaptop | ouch | 04:10 |
| Burglaptop | night | 04:10 |
| Madpilot | later | 04:11 |
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| highvoltage | any plans to customise man pages in the future? | 11:02 |
| mdke | i haven't heard of any | 11:02 |
| mdke | what did you have in mind? | 11:02 |
| highvoltage | i just looked at apt-proxy(8), and it refers to a "deb http://SERVER:9999/debian stable main contrib non-free" | 11:03 |
| highvoltage | i think it would be nice to get those man pages in a kind of document system and edit them for ubuntu, but i don't have any idea where one would start with such a process. | 11:04 |
| highvoltage | i don't have anything in mind, really, just something i'm thinking about, wondering if there's already a solution being divised. | 11:04 |
| mdke | not with us | 11:04 |
| mdke | that would be likely to be on the -devel side | 11:05 |
| highvoltage | interesting. | 11:05 |
| highvoltage | mdke: excuse my ignorance, what is the current doc-team plans? is it to use the wiki for documentation, or svn, and is there a defined scope of documentation the docteam will cover? | 11:08 |
| === highvoltage looks on wiki for more info to... | ||
| Madpilot | highvoltage: we're going to take over the world, actually, using secret mind-control docs... but if I told you more, I'd have to kill you :) | 11:09 |
| === mdke nods | ||
| mdke | highvoltage, DocteamProjects is the central page to check | 11:09 |
| highvoltage | Madpilot: excellent. | 11:09 |
| highvoltage | ah, i see. | 11:10 |
| highvoltage | what time is the doc-team meeting taking place on 4 november? | 11:12 |
| Madpilot | 1400 ZULU, I think | 11:12 |
| linuxboy | highvoltage: what you were saying about man pages, thats why I avoid universe as much as possible | 11:13 |
| mdke | we need to reconsider the time though | 11:13 |
| linuxboy | universe isn't up to the same standard as main | 11:13 |
| mdke | linuxboy, apt-proxy is in universe? | 11:13 |
| linuxboy | adrian@turtle:~$ apt-cache show apt-proxy | 11:15 |
| linuxboy | Package: apt-proxy | 11:15 |
| linuxboy | Priority: extra | 11:15 |
| linuxboy | Section: universe/admin | 11:15 |
| linuxboy | uh huh | 11:15 |
| highvoltage | linuxboy: i don't think the man pages in main are customised either. | 11:15 |
| linuxboy | still, universe is just slapped together | 11:16 |
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| mdke | gosh | 11:16 |
| highvoltage | i agree that main is much cleaner than universe, it's only to be expected. but i think to say that univers is just slapped together is harsh. | 11:17 |
| python_ | when the new docs have been created does this mean the old wiki will become dead? | 11:17 |
| mdke | python_, eh? | 11:17 |
| highvoltage | ogra and the motu team puts in lots of man-hours to keep the universe in shape. | 11:17 |
| mdke | i don't understand the question | 11:17 |
| linuxboy | highvoltage: ok... when compairing universe to main, it seems slapped together | 11:18 |
| linuxboy | because main is really really good | 11:18 |
| mdke | highvoltage, yeah but starting from debian each time means that they have to keep putting in man hours and can't fix everything | 11:18 |
| highvoltage | linuxboy: i think it's just because main is really, really good *shrug* | 11:19 |
| python_ | well, ubuntu now have a help.ubuntu and an official document guide, so does tht mean the wiki we normally use will carry on as normal or will become unactive | 11:19 |
| highvoltage | universe isn't at all bad, compared to debian, or even to what is officially supported in many, many other distros. | 11:19 |
| mdke | python_, no the wiki will continue | 11:19 |
| mdke | python_, it provides unofficial documentation | 11:20 |
| python_ | ok | 11:20 |
| mdke | python_, however, we are thinking of moving the pages to help.ubuntu.com to have them together with the other documents | 11:20 |
| mdke | see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/better-wiki-docs | 11:21 |
| python_ | What makes the document official does it have to be signed off by the ubuntu doc team | 11:21 |
| mdke | python_, yes, that's the idea | 11:21 |
| mdke | the wiki is open to ALL to edit, so anyone can introduce a mistake unintentionally | 11:21 |
| mdke | but it also has a greater sphere of input | 11:22 |
| mdke | so advantages and disadvantages... | 11:22 |
| python_ | how do i go about contributing to the official doc | 11:22 |
| mdke | python_, see http://doc.ubuntu.com, join our mailing list, download our repository etc | 11:22 |
| mdke | ask here if you need help | 11:23 |
| python_ | cheers | 11:23 |
| python_ | Are there any software tools to help creating your Documentation | 11:24 |
| mdke | well yes | 11:24 |
| mdke | it is not too hard | 11:24 |
| mdke | but you need to get used to docbook xml a little | 11:24 |
| mdke | it is quick to learn | 11:25 |
| mdke | you can use something like gedit or bluefish to edit | 11:25 |
| python_ | ill be okay, i am a fully fledged eek ;-) | 11:25 |
| python_ | geek | 11:25 |
| mdke | ah cool | 11:25 |
| python_ | coder by heart | 11:25 |
| mdke | from the uk? | 11:25 |
| mdke | <-- uk | 11:25 |
| python_ | yea | 11:25 |
| python_ | but i can do good doc too | 11:25 |
| mdke | heh | 11:25 |
| python_ | i have a degree and achieved first class hons | 11:26 |
| mdke | great well we'll look forward to seeing some of your patches! | 11:26 |
| python_ | so can write good documentation too | 11:26 |
| python_ | i dont get time to do any patches or contribution as im working on my own project at minnute | 11:27 |
| python_ | in time i hope to join and contribute towards GNOME | 11:27 |
| mdke | cool | 11:27 |
| python_ | Looking at some of the things to do with TANGO in GNOME i think GNOME is going to be quite cool | 11:28 |
| mdke | i am a gnome fan myself | 11:28 |
| python_ | already is but will be even better | 11:28 |
| python_ | so what puts u off KDE | 11:29 |
| mdke | nothing | 11:30 |
| mdke | i just like GNOME | 11:30 |
| python_ | mdke bluefish is great but i wish they would sort the problem out of its syntax highlighting | 11:31 |
| python_ | its a major downfall | 11:31 |
| mdke | it highlights docbook xml ok for me | 11:31 |
| mdke | i haven't used it much with other things | 11:31 |
| python_ | have u never noticed it looses its syntax highlighting | 11:32 |
| python_ | i now use Jedit | 11:32 |
| python_ | great open source editor | 11:32 |
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| python_ | mdke thanks for info | 11:38 |
| mdke | np | 11:38 |
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| jsgotangco | hey Burglaptop | 04:17 |
| Burglaptop | salut | 04:19 |
| mdke | hey corey | 04:19 |
| Burglaptop | listening to Jeff talk right now | 04:19 |
| Burglaptop | salut mdke | 04:19 |
| spayne | Burglaptop: is it fun? | 04:21 |
| Burglaptop | indeed | 04:22 |
| the--dud | oh, that's fucking great, only now do I notice that the authentication database isnt available on the wiki! | 04:24 |
| the--dud | been writing about 50 new lines on my howto >_< | 04:24 |
| the--dud | gone like a fucking fart in the wind! | 04:24 |
| the--dud | bloody crap | 04:24 |
| spayne | mdke: hello from here | 04:24 |
| mdke | spayne, if a empty page isn't linked anywhere on the wiki, you can delete it, you don't need a redirect | 04:25 |
| jsgotangco | Burglaptop: uphold the dokteam kause! | 04:25 |
| spayne | mdke: i wasn't sure what to do, there was the old HulaHowto and my new Hula, BuildingHula and InstallingHula | 04:25 |
| spayne | mdke: how do i delete a page? | 04:25 |
| mdke | gah | 04:25 |
| mdke | you read the wiki documentation! | 04:25 |
| the--dud | #""%#&#$$ | 04:25 |
| === the--dud dies | ||
| spayne | mdke: WikiGuide said to put a redirect and not delete | 04:26 |
| mdke | bloody hell | 04:26 |
| mdke | it says that deleting breaks links | 04:26 |
| mdke | if there are no links, that is not a problem | 04:27 |
| mdke | spayne, when I said "please read WikiGuide", i should have said "please read and take the time to understand WikiGuide" | 04:28 |
| mdke | anyhow, it's not a big deal making a redirect | 04:28 |
| mdke | i was just trying to help you understand when it is necessary and when it isn't | 04:29 |
| spayne | mdke: i understand now | 04:29 |
| mdke | cool | 04:29 |
| spayne | mdke: these tid bits are very useful - thanks | 04:29 |
| spayne | mdke: i might get there ONE day ;) | 04:29 |
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| mdke | i'm sure you will | 04:30 |
| mdke | just read the docs | 04:30 |
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| jsgotangco | mdke: do you happen to know how controls the dns for loco domains? | 04:36 |
| mdke | who? | 04:41 |
| mdke | sure matthias ulrichs | 04:41 |
| mdke | got his email? | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 04:42 |
| jsgotangco | i'll just email him | 04:42 |
| mdke | yah | 04:43 |
| mdke | got your own server or using his? | 04:43 |
| jsgotangco | well henrik set us up a serverpronto | 04:44 |
| mdke | just for tl? | 04:44 |
| mdke | whoa | 04:44 |
| mdke | that is major overkill! | 04:44 |
| jsgotangco | well we'll have to share it with someone else for sure | 04:44 |
| mdke | ah fair enough | 04:44 |
| jsgotangco | sure it only has 101GB of hdd free | 04:44 |
| mdke | lol | 04:45 |
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| Burglaptop | grr | 05:10 |
| jsgotangco | Uno? hahaha | 05:14 |
| Burglaptop | bloody wireless keeps dying on me | 05:16 |
| ajmitch | works for me :) | 05:16 |
| jsgotangco | what time is it there? past lunch? | 05:17 |
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| Burglaptop | bloody wireless dying on me | 05:42 |
| Kinnison | Burglaptop: clearly you just suck :-) | 05:43 |
| Burglaptop | right | 05:43 |
| Kinnison | Glad you agree :-) | 05:44 |
| Kinnison | Burglaptop: boo! | 05:47 |
| ajmitch | Burglaptop: you had to as, didn't you? ;) | 05:54 |
| ajmitch | s/as/ask/ | 05:54 |
| Kinnison | his wireless is broken again :-) | 05:55 |
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| mdke | :/ | 06:21 |
| mdke | no matter how many times I try, every thread I join always ends in disharmony | 06:21 |
| robitaille | which forums? the official ones, or the marketing ones? | 06:22 |
| robitaille | too many forums.... I hate forums compared to mailing lists. | 06:22 |
| jsgotangco | forums are flame baits | 06:22 |
| Kinnison | mdke: /nick Mars | 06:22 |
| jsgotangco | you get lots of silly threads in forums and its unfortunate that some n00bs who come to forums are the antisocials | 06:24 |
| mdke | the official forums | 06:25 |
| mdke | start at post 57 here | 06:25 |
| mdke | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=77704&page=6 | 06:25 |
| jsgotangco | New User Literature | 06:26 |
| jsgotangco | uh oh | 06:27 |
| mdke | nah that is ok | 06:27 |
| mdke | is gets worse on page 7 | 06:27 |
| mdke | oh well | 06:29 |
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| jsgotangco | i can just post and say we don't support crack | 06:29 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 06:29 |
| mdke | argh | 06:29 |
| mdke | and ruin all my hard work with diplomacy? | 06:29 |
| jsgotangco | but since its a 3rd party project i'll just look at it | 06:30 |
| mdke | it's true that the ubuntuguide was essentially the driving force behind our faqguide though | 06:30 |
| mdke | so we benefitted from its existence | 06:30 |
| jsgotangco | sure but people like crack... | 06:30 |
| mdke | i don't think that's the point | 06:31 |
| mdke | we can produce docs that people like | 06:31 |
| mdke | i am against two guides because i don't like the idea of an official and an unofficial "competing" | 06:31 |
| mdke | and because I don't think the ubuntuguide will have quality control like the docteam can have | 06:32 |
| jsgotangco | well just in case you didn't know chua did fedoraguide before and created quite a stir in the fedora community as well | 06:32 |
| mdke | lol i didn't know that | 06:32 |
| mdke | but the fedora docs are pretty poor actually | 06:33 |
| jsgotangco | drbyte had a thing or two to say about that incident | 06:33 |
| mdke | fucking totem built into firefox is such a pain | 06:33 |
| mdke | firefox keeps crashing | 06:33 |
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| jsgotangco | so basically what was written in fedora before was crack and was just transferred to ubuntu heh | 06:34 |
| mdke | well in any case ubuntuguide was a useful and popular resource | 06:35 |
| mdke | but we need to move forward | 06:35 |
| jsgotangco | i'll just let it be if you ask me | 06:36 |
| mdke | yeah i'm gonna stop now | 06:36 |
| mdke | but i had to reply after he wrote "it'll be ok" | 06:36 |
| mdke | i hate being patronised | 06:37 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 06:37 |
| jsgotangco | i'll just post to voice my opinion | 06:37 |
| mdke | don't say bad stuff about the ubuntuguide | 06:37 |
| jsgotangco | nope | 06:37 |
| mdke | it's just a question of development management really | 06:38 |
| jsgotangco | CRACKERS | 06:38 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 06:38 |
| mdke | COME ON THE DAPPER DUCK! | 06:42 |
| mdke | he has his bill in front by a clear 40 votes | 06:42 |
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| mdke | jsgotangco, can we arrange a new time for the meeting next week? | 07:00 |
| mdke | 1400 all the time is a shame | 07:00 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 07:01 |
| jsgotangco | we should revolve scheds again | 07:01 |
| mdke | a later one would be good for me | 07:01 |
| jsgotangco | although im about to start my new job in a few days, definitely 22:00 meetings are a no no | 07:04 |
| mdke | your time or UTC? | 07:04 |
| jsgotangco | UTC | 07:04 |
| mdke | wouldnt' that be saturday morning for you? | 07:05 |
| jsgotangco | oh right... | 07:05 |
| jsgotangco | i forgot | 07:05 |
| jsgotangco | i thought we were still doing the thursday thing... | 07:05 |
| ajmitch | 8am brisbane time, I think | 07:05 |
| jsgotangco | yep | 07:06 |
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| mdke | weeeeee | 07:39 |
| highvoltage | i need to install moin at some point. i've only installed mediawiki at varios places. | 07:40 |
| mdke | it is ridiculously difficult to install | 07:41 |
| mdke | henrik is in near death throes as we speak | 07:41 |
| highvoltage | what does that mean? | 07:41 |
| highvoltage | is he having health problems? | 07:41 |
| mdke | no no | 07:41 |
| mdke | i meant with the difficulty of moin installation | 07:41 |
| highvoltage | aaah. shew! | 07:42 |
| mdke | sorry | 07:42 |
| highvoltage | no problem. just keep in mind that for some of us, english is our second language :) | 07:43 |
| mdke | is it yours? | 07:43 |
| mdke | you can't pull that on me, your english is totally fluent | 07:44 |
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| highvoltage | mdke: yes, english is my second language | 07:47 |
| mdke | gosh | 07:48 |
| mdke | what's first? | 07:48 |
| highvoltage | Afrikaans | 07:48 |
| highvoltage | my mother is afrikaans, and my father english, so i get to be good at both :) | 07:49 |
| mdke | ah | 07:50 |
| mdke | well so english is your first equal language :) | 07:50 |
| highvoltage | :) | 07:50 |
| highvoltage | i want to learn isiXhosa (local language) and Spanish too. | 07:50 |
| highvoltage | do you speak any other language, other than legalese and engrish? | 07:51 |
| mdke | italian | 07:51 |
| mdke | my english is better tho | 07:51 |
| highvoltage | i would've never guessed :) | 07:52 |
| highvoltage | are there many italian speaking people in london? | 07:52 |
| mdke | lots of italians :) | 07:53 |
| mdke | not a lot of italian speaking english people tho | 07:53 |
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| spayne | mdke, ping | 08:09 |
| mdke | hi | 08:10 |
| spayne | mdke: i'm redoing the Beagle documentation on the Wiki | 08:10 |
| mdke | right | 08:10 |
| spayne | mdke: and i'm gonna remove the Warty and Hoary pages, how do i check if there are any links to those pages? | 08:10 |
| mdke | you read the WikiGuide | 08:10 |
| mdke | i'm never gonna get tired of saying that to you | 08:10 |
| mdke | test me! | 08:11 |
| spayne | :) | 08:11 |
| mdke | why would you remove the warty and hoary pages? | 08:11 |
| spayne | they use 'evil' methods | 08:11 |
| spayne | i.e. broken backports | 08:12 |
| mdke | are there better methods? | 08:13 |
| spayne | well, i could just do a new Beagle page with links to those | 08:13 |
| mdke | it's possible that people will still run hoary and want beagle i guess | 08:13 |
| spayne | they are severly outdated | 08:13 |
| mdke | ok, well either update em or nuke em I suppose | 08:13 |
| mdke | but bear in mind not everything is using breezy | 08:14 |
| spayne | well | 08:16 |
| spayne | Hoary is OK i suppose | 08:16 |
| spayne | but Warty is way out of date | 08:16 |
| highvoltage | Warty is stil supported, though. | 08:17 |
| spayne | i know but it talks about compiling from CVS | 08:17 |
| spayne | and CVS requires stuff more modern than Breezy | 08:18 |
| mdke | so update it | 08:18 |
| highvoltage | sorry, just jumping in... i just think that it's important to keep information of supported distro's in the docs. | 08:18 |
| mdke | me too | 08:18 |
| spayne | but there is no way Beagle will run on Warty | 08:18 |
| spayne | a.) it requires Mono 1.1.7 - warty has a 1.0.x release | 08:18 |
| highvoltage | i think you should just mention on the page that it won't run on warty, and why. | 08:18 |
| mdke | yeap | 08:19 |
| spayne | will do | 08:19 |
| spayne | does everyone have these problems | 08:20 |
| spayne | or just me :) | 08:20 |
| mdke | which problems? | 08:21 |
| spayne | about what to do with older packages | 08:21 |
| spayne | whether to redirect, destory or put a warning in | 08:21 |
| spayne | i feel hopeless :( | 08:21 |
| mdke | make one page for Beagle with information for all versions | 08:23 |
| mdke | note that it won't run on warty etc | 08:23 |
| spayne | one step ahead of yoi | 08:23 |
| spayne | like i did for iFolder, Hula.... | 08:23 |
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| mdke | spayne, i wanted to ask about Hula | 08:26 |
| spayne | go | 08:26 |
| mdke | spayne, is the guide on the Hula wiki for Ubuntu being updated? | 08:26 |
| mdke | (installation guide) | 08:27 |
| mdke | it wouldn't make sense for us to have an installation guide on the Ubuntu wiki if it is | 08:27 |
| spayne | no, i've put a link in | 08:27 |
| spayne | i maintain both | 08:27 |
| mdke | the link was there, I created the page ;) | 08:27 |
| spayne | http://www.hula-project.org/Ubuntu | 08:27 |
| spayne | created what page? | 08:27 |
| mdke | the first Hula page on wiki.u.c | 08:28 |
| spayne | oh right :) | 08:28 |
| mdke | anyhow, it's best to just maintain one | 08:28 |
| spayne | no, i did all the documentation on the Hula Wiki | 08:28 |
| spayne | i know - that is the plan | 08:28 |
| spayne | i asked the Hula community | 08:28 |
| mdke | have a link from the Ubuntu wiki to the Hula one | 08:28 |
| spayne | i was doing it the other way | 08:28 |
| spayne | look at that page | 08:28 |
| mdke | vice versa works too | 08:28 |
| spayne | sorry, i'm a bit stressed atm | 08:28 |
| spayne | playing ET later | 08:29 |
| spayne | my server just crashed and died | 08:29 |
| spayne | i'm trying to do this Beagle crap | 08:29 |
| spayne | argh! help! | 08:29 |
| mdke | hi jenda | 08:31 |
| jenda | hello | 08:31 |
| jenda | not mech going on here :) | 08:35 |
| jenda | *much | 08:35 |
| mdke | true | 08:35 |
| mdke | doc.u.c and help.u.c websites going down for about 10 minutes | 08:41 |
| mdke | as if anyone cares :D | 08:42 |
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| mdke | server back up again | 08:46 |
| jenda | mdke: I care I care! I really do! | 08:53 |
| mdke | yuh | 08:53 |
| mdke | convincing | 08:53 |
| jenda | Well... maybe I don't. | 08:53 |
| jenda | :) | 08:53 |
| mdke | highvoltage, omg this is insanely difficult, are you familiar with mod_fastcgi? | 08:59 |
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| Belutz | mdke, for the sources.list in the faqguide (for upgrading ubuntu) i should keep the sources.list in english right? | 09:40 |
| mdke | yeah | 09:43 |
| mdke | if that is what users have | 09:43 |
| Belutz | ok mdke, thanks | 09:43 |
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