[12:57] <rob^> how far from being complete is the userguide?
[12:58] <rob^> just taking a look now..
[12:58] <mdke> the idea is to use the userguide to make the desktop guide a bit more user friendly
[12:58] <rob^> it wasn't validating either, fixed that
[12:59] <rob^> hmm
[01:00] <rob^> I wonder if its eaiser to just gut the stuff that hasn't been done from the userguide, add in some faq guide and pretty it up
[01:00] <mdke> no i don't think so
[01:00] <rob^> some eye of nute etc..
[01:01] <mdke> are you suggesting releasing both a desktop guide and a userguide?
[01:01] <rob^> no
[01:01] <rob^> I'm just thinking that we could merge the two (but not make it so long)
[01:02] <rob^> and obviously that would involve removing the qanda format from the faq guide
[01:02] <mdke> i think the best way is to continue to work on the desktopguide but use bits from the userguide to expand some sections where explanations are important
[01:03] <rob^> yeah sure
[01:04] <rob^> this might take a while :)
[01:05] <rob^> I suppose we don't need the intro to linux, and installing ubuntu
[01:07] <mdke> hi corey
[01:07] <rob^> hello
[01:07] <mdke> rob^, the server guide will take longer
[01:07] <rob^> heh
[01:08] <rob^> I thought about all kinds of useless things for it last night, like managing printers etc
[02:20] <rob^> that sucks
[02:20] <mdke> it is more of a moral headache
[02:20] <rob^> ?
[02:20] <mdke> i'm tired after trying to make a website work with IE
[02:20] <rob^> heh
[02:20] <mdke> i think I've more or less tamed it though
[02:21] <rob^> I know that pain
[02:21] <mdke> my problem is that I do trial and error because I never actually took the time to learn what css means
[02:21] <rob^> oh
[02:21] <mdke> ;)
[02:21] <mdke> check it out
[02:21] <mdke> http://help.ubuntu-it.org/output/
[02:22] <rob^> mmm pretty
[02:22] <rob^> http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp <- thats helpful
[02:22] <mdke> reading ugh
[02:22] <mdke> bookmarking
[02:23] <mdke> any tips for that site?
[02:23] <rob^> it looks pretty much like its meant to
[02:23] <jjesse> evning
[02:23] <mdke> hi jjesse 
[02:23] <rob^> hi jjesse 
[02:25] <mdke> rob^, got IE handy?
[02:25] <jjesse> on help.ubuntu.com can we get the kubuntu docs loaded under "documentation"
[02:25] <rob^> I think I still have it in wine
[02:25] <jjesse> mdke i do
[02:25] <jjesse> connected via windows box tonight
[02:26] <mdke> jjesse, can you look at http://help.ubuntu-it.org/output/ and tell me if the icon has a transparent background
[02:26] <rob^> no thats right I removed it, sorry
[02:26] <mdke> and also if there are any other errors
[02:26] <jjesse> about kubuntu and kreleasenotes need to be added to doc. ubuntu.com
[02:26] <mdke> jjesse, are they complete?
[02:26] <jjesse> i meant help.ubuntu.com sorry
[02:26] <mdke> yeah
[02:26] <jjesse> those are the docs that went w/ the release 
[02:26] <mdke> ok
[02:27] <mdke> i can find them in branches/breezy?
[02:27] <mdke> they have stylesheets now?
[02:27] <jjesse> mdke   http://help.ubuntu-it.org/output/  those look good
[02:27] <mdke> the icon is transparent?
[02:27] <rob^> so do we want to kill the qanda format of the desktop guide?
[02:27] <mdke> rob^, i do, but i think we should discuss all together at a meeting
[02:27] <rob^> dam, thats a whole week away
[02:28] <mdke> plenty of time
[02:28] <mdke> lots to do
[02:28] <rob^> if we do, I have a plan for the layout on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopGuide
[02:28] <mdke> changing the layout?
[02:28] <mdke> argh
[02:28] <rob^> no, just to more fit in with a book style
[02:29] <rob^> that good english me did
[02:29] <mdke> yeah that looks good
[02:29] <jjesse> mdke yes those docs have the stylesheet
[02:30] <mdke> i would have another section on what ubuntu is and gnu and linux and such
[02:30] <mdke> jjesse, oh, i didn't see any changes on the commit list, must have missed em. lemme try now
[02:30] <rob^> mdke, I was thinking about that
[02:30] <rob^> might pull it from the ug
[02:30] <mdke> yes
[02:31] <jjesse> mdke pardon my ignorance but do they have to be built a different way for .html?
[02:31] <mdke> jjesse
[02:31] <mdke> the problem is that they look like this:
[02:31] <mdke> http://help.ubuntu.com/about-kubuntu/C/
[02:31] <mdke> because they are using the kde system stylesheet
[02:32] <jjesse> instead of the kubuntu stylesheet?
[02:32] <mdke> we can't host them like that
[02:32] <mdke> instead of the web stylesheet
[02:32] <jjesse> oh ok, sorry a little slow on learning, so if i ask silly questions let me know
[02:32] <mdke> or some other stylesheet
[02:32] <mdke> if you set it to use the same stylesheet as the adept guide uses in trunk, that will be fine
[02:34] <mdke> i'll have a look tomorrow if you don't succeed
[02:34] <jjesse> ok
[02:34] <jjesse> don't you hate it when you grab a bottle of wine out of the fridge, take a sip and realize it has been open to long :(
[02:35] <rob^> yum
[02:36] <mdke> heh
[02:47] <mdke> rob^, if you reload/go to the page again, is it better or worse?
[02:48] <mdke> excepting the rubbish hackergotchi of course
[02:50] <rob^> still looks ok to me
[02:51] <jjesse> want me to check IE?
[02:51] <mdke> jjesse, ok if you don't mind, it should work tho
[02:51] <mdke> rob^, better or worse dammit
[02:51] <jjesse> i don't mind that is http://help.ubuntu-it.org/output/ ?
[02:51] <mdke> yeah
[02:52] <rob^> what did you change?
[02:52] <jjesse> i don't see much of a difference
[02:52] <mdke> i put the title in line with the main post text and moved everything left
[02:53] <mdke> anyway, at least it's working
[02:53] <rob^> well I guess that makes it look neater
[02:53] <jjesse> looks fine w/ me
[02:53] <mdke> thanks
[02:53] <mdke> i have been bashing my head against IE
[02:53] <jjesse> IE sucks :)
[02:53] <rob^> yep
[02:54] <mdke> what are the fonts like of that page in IE?
[02:54] <jjesse> can't get my modem to play nice w/ ubuntu for some reason so i still have a  windows box that i use @ home
[02:54] <mdke> yeah modems suck too
[02:55] <rob^> what kind of modem?
[02:55] <jjesse> LT Win MOdem :(
[02:55] <rob^> that should work with a 2.4 kernel
[02:56] <rob^> and the ltmodem drivers of cause
[02:56] <jjesse> i'll have to try again
[02:56] <rob^> I've had problems with 2.6
[02:57] <rob^> what I did was set up an old box with smoothwall which uses the 2.4 kernel still
[02:57] <jjesse> we are moving to cable modem soon so i'm not in a big hurry to worry bout it
[02:57] <rob^> ah
[02:57] <rob^> yeah dialup sucks
[02:58] <rob^> getting bb is the best thing I've done since owning a computer
[02:58] <rob^> computer related of cause ;)
[02:59] <jjesse> try troubleshooting work computer problems over dial up -> vpn and then a terminal server connection
[02:59] <jjesse> then you relaize how much it sucks
[02:59] <rob^> haha
[02:59] <rob^> I bet that was slow
[02:00] <jjesse> it is slow i do it all the time
[02:00] <jjesse> but i can write some of my broadband expenses off my tax's
[02:00] <rob^> yeah same :)
[02:00] <jjesse> when i need to do a lot of work, i borrow my neighbor's wireless connection that is open and i can connect to :)
[02:02] <mdke> good thinking
[02:02] <rob^> hehe
[02:03] <jjesse> so rob^ what country are you in?
[02:03] <rob^> australia
[02:03] <jjesse> ah i'm in michigan in the united states
[02:04] <rob^> ah
[02:06] <jjesse> you didn't get an email?
[02:06] <jjesse> from dennis?
[02:06] <jjesse> what's your address?
[02:06] <rob^> its sunday so I haven't been at work since friday
[02:06] <rob^> thats where the emails are going
[02:06] <jjesse> oh
[02:07] <mdke> night y'all
[02:07] <jjesse> i could forward the one i have to a different location?
[02:07] <jjesse> night mdke
[02:07] <rob^> mdke before you go
[02:07] <mdke> sure
[02:07] <mdke> the clocks have gone back anyhow
[02:07] <rob^> i cant make a 1400 friday meeting -> christmas party on that night
[02:07] <mdke> 22/23?
[02:08] <rob^> sure, I'll probably be pretty hung over though
[02:08] <mdke> we'll see when most people are free
[02:08] <rob^> cool
[02:08] <rob^> ok bye mdke 
[02:08] <mdke> byee
[02:10] <jjesse> hmm getting ready for bed, have to be up early 
[02:11] <rob^> hmm, lunch time soon
[03:22] <Madpilot> hi all
[03:33] <Madpilot> anyone know if the creator of CommandlineHowto - DagRuneSneeggen - has been here or on the doc list?
[03:33] <Madpilot> CommandLineHowto looks like it'll be impressive; I'm wondering if the basic/intro stuff should be rolled into BasicCommands at some point
[04:01] <Burglaptop> bonsoir robitaille 
[04:02] <robitaille> Hey Burglaptop.  So are you in Montreal yet?
[04:04] <Burglaptop> indeed
[04:05] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: good flight?
[04:05] <Burglaptop> more sardinny that usual
[04:05] <Burglaptop> the flight from vancouver was mostly full
[04:05] <Madpilot> which airline?
[04:05] <Burglaptop> AC
[04:05] <Madpilot> Air Communism! ;)
[04:06] <Burglaptop> Air I-get-no-breakfast
[04:06] <Madpilot> that's just the planned famine in action, comrade!
[04:06] <Burglaptop> and Air I-get-no-snack-even-when-I-ask-for-it
[04:08] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: Doug says he still thinks AC service is better than most US airlines... how's that for a sobering thought?
[04:10] <Burglaptop> ouch
[04:10] <Burglaptop> night
[04:11] <Madpilot> later
[11:02] <highvoltage> any plans to customise man pages in the future?
[11:02] <mdke> i haven't heard of any
[11:02] <mdke> what did you have in mind?
[11:03] <highvoltage> i just looked at apt-proxy(8), and it refers to a "deb http://SERVER:9999/debian stable main contrib non-free"
[11:04] <highvoltage> i think it would be nice to get those man pages in a kind of document system and edit them for ubuntu, but i don't have any idea where one would start with such a process.
[11:04] <highvoltage> i don't have anything in mind, really, just something i'm thinking about, wondering if there's already a solution being divised.
[11:04] <mdke> not with us
[11:05] <mdke> that would be likely to be on the -devel side
[11:05] <highvoltage> interesting.
[11:08] <highvoltage> mdke: excuse my ignorance, what is the current doc-team plans? is it to use the wiki for documentation, or svn, and is there a defined scope of documentation the docteam will cover?
[11:09] <Madpilot> highvoltage: we're going to take over the world, actually, using secret mind-control docs... but if I told you more, I'd have to kill you :)
[11:09] <mdke> highvoltage, DocteamProjects is the central page to check
[11:09] <highvoltage> Madpilot: excellent.
[11:10] <highvoltage> ah, i see.
[11:12] <highvoltage> what time is the doc-team meeting taking place on 4 november?
[11:12] <Madpilot> 1400 ZULU, I think
[11:13] <linuxboy> highvoltage: what you were saying about man pages, thats why I avoid universe as much as possible
[11:13] <mdke> we need to reconsider the time though
[11:13] <linuxboy> universe isn't up to the same standard as main
[11:13] <mdke> linuxboy, apt-proxy is in universe?
[11:15] <linuxboy> adrian@turtle:~$ apt-cache show apt-proxy
[11:15] <linuxboy> Package: apt-proxy
[11:15] <linuxboy> Priority: extra
[11:15] <linuxboy> Section: universe/admin
[11:15] <linuxboy> uh huh
[11:15] <highvoltage> linuxboy: i don't think the man pages in main are customised either.
[11:16] <linuxboy> still, universe is just slapped together
[11:16] <mdke> gosh
[11:17] <highvoltage> i agree that main is much cleaner than universe, it's only to be expected. but i think to say that univers is just slapped together is harsh.
[11:17] <python_> when the new docs have been created does this mean the old wiki will become dead?
[11:17] <mdke> python_, eh?
[11:17] <highvoltage> ogra and the motu team puts in lots of man-hours to keep the universe in shape.
[11:17] <mdke> i don't understand the question
[11:18] <linuxboy> highvoltage: ok... when compairing universe to main, it seems slapped together
[11:18] <linuxboy> because main is really really good
[11:18] <mdke> highvoltage, yeah but starting from debian each time means that they have to keep putting in man hours and can't fix everything
[11:19] <highvoltage> linuxboy: i think it's just because main is really, really good *shrug*
[11:19] <python_> well, ubuntu now have a help.ubuntu and an official document guide, so does tht mean the wiki we normally use will carry on as normal or will become unactive
[11:19] <highvoltage> universe isn't at all bad, compared to debian, or even to what is officially supported in many, many other distros.
[11:19] <mdke> python_, no the wiki will continue
[11:20] <mdke> python_, it provides unofficial documentation
[11:20] <python_> ok
[11:20] <mdke> python_, however, we are thinking of moving the pages to help.ubuntu.com to have them together with the other documents
[11:21] <mdke> see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/better-wiki-docs
[11:21] <python_> What makes the document official does it have to be signed off by the ubuntu doc team
[11:21] <mdke> python_, yes, that's the idea
[11:21] <mdke> the wiki is open to ALL to edit, so anyone can introduce a mistake unintentionally
[11:22] <mdke> but it also has a greater sphere of input
[11:22] <mdke> so advantages and disadvantages...
[11:22] <python_> how do i go about contributing to the official doc
[11:22] <mdke> python_, see http://doc.ubuntu.com, join our mailing list, download our repository etc
[11:23] <mdke> ask here if you need help
[11:23] <python_> cheers
[11:24] <python_> Are there any software tools to help creating your Documentation
[11:24] <mdke> well yes
[11:24] <mdke> it is not too hard
[11:24] <mdke> but you need to get used to docbook xml a little
[11:25] <mdke> it is quick to learn
[11:25] <mdke> you can use something like gedit or bluefish to edit
[11:25] <python_> ill be okay, i am a fully fledged eek ;-)
[11:25] <python_> geek
[11:25] <mdke> ah cool
[11:25] <python_> coder by heart
[11:25] <mdke> from the uk?
[11:25] <mdke> <-- uk
[11:25] <python_> yea
[11:25] <python_> but i can do good doc too
[11:25] <mdke> heh
[11:26] <python_> i have a degree and achieved first class hons
[11:26] <mdke> great well we'll look forward to seeing some of your patches!
[11:26] <python_> so can write good documentation too
[11:27] <python_> i dont get time to do any patches or contribution as im working on my own project at minnute
[11:27] <python_> in time i hope to join and contribute towards GNOME
[11:27] <mdke> cool
[11:28] <python_> Looking at some of the things to do with TANGO in GNOME i think GNOME is going to be quite cool
[11:28] <mdke> i am a gnome fan myself
[11:28] <python_> already is but will be even better
[11:29] <python_> so what puts u off KDE
[11:30] <mdke> nothing
[11:30] <mdke> i just like GNOME
[11:31] <python_> mdke bluefish is great but i wish they would sort the problem out of its syntax highlighting
[11:31] <python_> its a major downfall
[11:31] <mdke> it highlights docbook xml ok for me
[11:31] <mdke> i haven't used it much with other things
[11:32] <python_> have u never noticed it looses its syntax highlighting
[11:32] <python_> i now use Jedit
[11:32] <python_> great open source editor
[11:38] <python_> mdke thanks for info 
[11:38] <mdke> np
[04:17] <jsgotangco> hey Burglaptop 
[04:19] <Burglaptop> salut
[04:19] <mdke> hey corey
[04:19] <Burglaptop> listening to Jeff talk right now
[04:19] <Burglaptop> salut mdke 
[04:21] <spayne> Burglaptop: is it fun?
[04:22] <Burglaptop> indeed
[04:24] <the--dud> oh, that's fucking great, only now do I notice that the authentication database isnt available on the wiki!
[04:24] <the--dud> been writing about 50 new lines on my howto >_<
[04:24] <the--dud> gone like a fucking fart in the wind!
[04:24] <the--dud> bloody crap
[04:24] <spayne> mdke: hello from here
[04:25] <mdke> spayne, if a empty page isn't linked anywhere on the wiki, you can delete it, you don't need a redirect
[04:25] <jsgotangco> Burglaptop: uphold the dokteam kause!
[04:25] <spayne> mdke: i wasn't sure what to do, there was the old HulaHowto and my new Hula, BuildingHula and InstallingHula
[04:25] <spayne> mdke: how do i delete a page?
[04:25] <mdke> gah
[04:25] <mdke> you read the wiki documentation!
[04:25] <the--dud> #""%#&#$$
[04:26] <spayne> mdke: WikiGuide said to put a redirect and not delete
[04:26] <mdke> bloody hell
[04:26] <mdke> it says that deleting breaks links
[04:27] <mdke> if there are no links, that is not a problem
[04:28] <mdke> spayne, when I said "please read WikiGuide", i should have said "please read and take the time to understand WikiGuide"
[04:28] <mdke> anyhow, it's not a big deal making a redirect
[04:29] <mdke> i was just trying to help you understand when it is necessary and when it isn't
[04:29] <spayne> mdke: i understand now
[04:29] <mdke> cool
[04:29] <spayne> mdke: these tid bits are very useful - thanks
[04:29] <spayne> mdke: i might get there ONE day ;)
[04:30] <mdke> i'm sure you will
[04:30] <mdke> just read the docs
[04:36] <jsgotangco> mdke: do you happen to know how controls the dns for loco domains?
[04:41] <mdke> who?
[04:41] <mdke> sure matthias ulrichs
[04:41] <mdke> got his email?
[04:42] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:42] <jsgotangco> i'll just email him
[04:43] <mdke> yah
[04:43] <mdke> got your own server or using his?
[04:44] <jsgotangco> well henrik set us up a serverpronto
[04:44] <mdke> just for tl?
[04:44] <mdke> whoa
[04:44] <mdke> that is major overkill!
[04:44] <jsgotangco> well we'll have to share it with someone else for sure
[04:44] <mdke> ah fair enough
[04:44] <jsgotangco> sure it only has 101GB of hdd free
[04:45] <mdke> lol
[05:10] <Burglaptop> grr
[05:14] <jsgotangco> Uno? hahaha
[05:16] <Burglaptop> bloody wireless keeps dying on me
[05:16] <ajmitch> works for me :)
[05:17] <jsgotangco> what time is it there? past lunch?
[05:42] <Burglaptop> bloody wireless dying on me
[05:43] <Kinnison> Burglaptop: clearly you just suck :-)
[05:43] <Burglaptop> right
[05:44] <Kinnison> Glad you agree :-)
[05:47] <Kinnison> Burglaptop: boo!
[05:54] <ajmitch> Burglaptop: you had to as, didn't you? ;)
[05:54] <ajmitch> s/as/ask/
[05:55] <Kinnison> his wireless is broken again :-)
[06:21] <mdke> :/
[06:21] <mdke> no matter how many times I try, every thread I join always ends in disharmony
[06:22] <robitaille> which forums?  the official ones, or the marketing ones?
[06:22] <robitaille> too many forums.... I hate forums compared to mailing lists.
[06:22] <jsgotangco> forums are flame baits
[06:22] <Kinnison> mdke: /nick Mars
[06:24] <jsgotangco> you get lots of silly threads in forums and its unfortunate that some n00bs who come to forums are the antisocials
[06:25] <mdke> the official forums
[06:25] <mdke> start at post 57 here
[06:25] <mdke> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=77704&page=6
[06:26] <jsgotangco> New User Literature
[06:27] <jsgotangco> uh oh
[06:27] <mdke> nah that is ok
[06:27] <mdke> is gets worse on page 7
[06:29] <mdke> oh well
[06:29] <jsgotangco> i can just post and say we don't support crack
[06:29] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:29] <mdke> argh
[06:29] <mdke> and ruin all my hard work with diplomacy?
[06:30] <jsgotangco> but since its a 3rd party project i'll just look at it
[06:30] <mdke> it's true that the ubuntuguide was essentially the driving force behind our faqguide though
[06:30] <mdke> so we benefitted from its existence
[06:30] <jsgotangco> sure but people like crack...
[06:31] <mdke> i don't think that's the point
[06:31] <mdke> we can produce docs that people like
[06:31] <mdke> i am against two guides because i don't like the idea of an official and an unofficial "competing"
[06:32] <mdke> and because I don't think the ubuntuguide will have quality control like the docteam can have
[06:32] <jsgotangco>  well just in case you didn't know chua did fedoraguide before and created quite a stir in the fedora community as well
[06:32] <mdke> lol i didn't know that
[06:33] <mdke> but the fedora docs are pretty poor actually
[06:33] <jsgotangco> drbyte had a thing or two to say about that incident
[06:33] <mdke> fucking totem built into firefox is such a pain
[06:33] <mdke> firefox keeps crashing
[06:34] <jsgotangco> so basically what was written in fedora before was crack and was just transferred to ubuntu heh
[06:35] <mdke> well in any case ubuntuguide was a useful and popular resource
[06:35] <mdke> but we need to move forward
[06:36] <jsgotangco> i'll just let it be if you ask me
[06:36] <mdke> yeah i'm gonna stop now
[06:36] <mdke> but i had to reply after he wrote "it'll be ok"
[06:37] <mdke> i hate being patronised
[06:37] <jsgotangco> yeah
[06:37] <jsgotangco> i'll just post to voice my opinion
[06:37] <mdke> don't say bad stuff about the ubuntuguide
[06:37] <jsgotangco> nope
[06:38] <mdke> it's just a question of development management really
[06:38] <jsgotangco> CRACKERS
[06:38] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:42] <mdke> COME ON THE DAPPER DUCK!
[06:42] <mdke> he has his bill in front by a clear 40 votes
[07:00] <mdke> jsgotangco, can we arrange a new time for the meeting next week?
[07:00] <mdke> 1400 all the time is a shame
[07:01] <jsgotangco> yeah
[07:01] <jsgotangco> we should revolve scheds again
[07:01] <mdke> a later one would be good for me
[07:04] <jsgotangco> although im about to start my new job in a few days, definitely 22:00 meetings are a no no
[07:04] <mdke> your time or UTC?
[07:04] <jsgotangco> UTC
[07:05] <mdke> wouldnt' that be saturday morning for you?
[07:05] <jsgotangco> oh right...
[07:05] <jsgotangco> i forgot
[07:05] <jsgotangco> i thought we were still doing the thursday thing...
[07:05] <ajmitch> 8am brisbane time, I think
[07:06] <jsgotangco> yep
[07:39] <mdke> weeeeee
[07:40] <highvoltage> i need to install moin at some point. i've only installed mediawiki at varios places.
[07:41] <mdke> it is ridiculously difficult to install
[07:41] <mdke> henrik is in near death throes as we speak
[07:41] <highvoltage> what does that mean?
[07:41] <highvoltage> is he having health problems?
[07:41] <mdke> no no
[07:41] <mdke> i meant with the difficulty of moin installation
[07:42] <highvoltage> aaah. shew!
[07:42] <mdke> sorry
[07:43] <highvoltage> no problem. just keep in mind that for some of us, english is our second language :)
[07:43] <mdke> is it yours?
[07:44] <mdke> you can't pull that on me, your english is totally fluent
[07:47] <highvoltage> mdke: yes, english is my second language
[07:48] <mdke> gosh
[07:48] <mdke> what's first?
[07:48] <highvoltage> Afrikaans
[07:49] <highvoltage> my mother is afrikaans, and my father english, so i get to be good at both :)
[07:50] <mdke> ah
[07:50] <mdke> well so english is your first equal language :)
[07:50] <highvoltage> :)
[07:50] <highvoltage> i want to learn isiXhosa (local language) and Spanish too.
[07:51] <highvoltage> do you speak any other language, other than legalese and engrish?
[07:51] <mdke> italian
[07:51] <mdke> my english is better tho
[07:52] <highvoltage> i would've never guessed :)
[07:52] <highvoltage> are there many italian speaking people in london?
[07:53] <mdke> lots of italians :)
[07:53] <mdke> not a lot of italian speaking english people tho
[08:09] <spayne> mdke, ping
[08:10] <mdke> hi
[08:10] <spayne> mdke: i'm redoing the Beagle documentation on the Wiki
[08:10] <mdke> right
[08:10] <spayne> mdke: and i'm gonna remove the Warty and Hoary pages, how do i check if there are any links to those pages?
[08:10] <mdke> you read the WikiGuide
[08:10] <mdke> i'm never gonna get tired of saying that to you
[08:11] <mdke> test me!
[08:11] <spayne> :)
[08:11] <mdke> why would you remove the warty and hoary pages?
[08:11] <spayne> they use 'evil' methods
[08:12] <spayne> i.e. broken backports
[08:13] <mdke> are there better methods?
[08:13] <spayne> well, i could just do a new Beagle page with links to those
[08:13] <mdke> it's possible that people will still run hoary and want beagle i guess
[08:13] <spayne> they are severly outdated
[08:13] <mdke> ok, well either update em or nuke em I suppose
[08:14] <mdke> but bear in mind not everything is using breezy
[08:16] <spayne> well
[08:16] <spayne> Hoary is OK i suppose
[08:16] <spayne> but Warty is way out of date
[08:17] <highvoltage> Warty is stil supported, though.
[08:17] <spayne> i know but it talks about compiling from CVS
[08:18] <spayne> and CVS requires stuff more modern than Breezy
[08:18] <mdke> so update it
[08:18] <highvoltage> sorry, just jumping in... i just think that it's important to keep information of supported distro's in the docs.
[08:18] <mdke> me too
[08:18] <spayne> but there is no way Beagle will run on Warty
[08:18] <spayne> a.) it requires Mono 1.1.7 - warty has a 1.0.x release
[08:18] <highvoltage> i think you should just mention on the page that it won't run on warty, and why.
[08:19] <mdke> yeap
[08:19] <spayne> will do
[08:20] <spayne> does everyone have these problems
[08:20] <spayne> or just me :)
[08:21] <mdke> which problems?
[08:21] <spayne> about what to do with older packages
[08:21] <spayne> whether to redirect, destory or put a warning in
[08:21] <spayne> i feel hopeless :(
[08:23] <mdke> make one page for Beagle with information for all versions
[08:23] <mdke> note that it won't run on warty etc
[08:23] <spayne> one step ahead of yoi
[08:23] <spayne> like i did for iFolder, Hula....
[08:26] <mdke> spayne, i wanted to ask about Hula
[08:26] <spayne> go
[08:26] <mdke> spayne, is the guide on the Hula wiki for Ubuntu being updated?
[08:27] <mdke> (installation guide)
[08:27] <mdke> it wouldn't make sense for us to have an installation guide on the Ubuntu wiki if it is
[08:27] <spayne> no, i've put a link in
[08:27] <spayne> i maintain both
[08:27] <mdke> the link was there, I created the page ;)
[08:27] <spayne> http://www.hula-project.org/Ubuntu
[08:27] <spayne> created what page?
[08:28] <mdke> the first Hula page on wiki.u.c
[08:28] <spayne> oh right :)
[08:28] <mdke> anyhow, it's best to just maintain one
[08:28] <spayne> no, i did all the documentation on the Hula Wiki
[08:28] <spayne> i know - that is the plan
[08:28] <spayne> i asked the Hula community
[08:28] <mdke> have a link from the Ubuntu wiki to the Hula one
[08:28] <spayne> i was doing it the other way
[08:28] <spayne> look at that page
[08:28] <mdke> vice versa works too
[08:28] <spayne> sorry, i'm a bit stressed atm
[08:29] <spayne> playing ET later
[08:29] <spayne> my server just crashed and died
[08:29] <spayne> i'm trying to do this Beagle crap
[08:29] <spayne> argh! help!
[08:31] <mdke> hi jenda 
[08:31] <jenda> hello
[08:35] <jenda> not mech going on here :)
[08:35] <jenda> *much
[08:35] <mdke> true
[08:41] <mdke> doc.u.c and help.u.c websites going down for about 10 minutes
[08:42] <mdke> as if anyone cares :D
[08:46] <mdke> server back up again
[08:53] <jenda> mdke: I care I care! I really do!
[08:53] <mdke> yuh
[08:53] <mdke> convincing
[08:53] <jenda> Well... maybe I don't.
[08:53] <jenda> :)
[08:59] <mdke> highvoltage, omg this is insanely difficult, are you familiar with mod_fastcgi?
[09:40] <Belutz> mdke, for the sources.list in the faqguide (for upgrading ubuntu) i should keep the sources.list in english right?
[09:43] <mdke> yeah
[09:43] <mdke> if that is what users have
[09:43] <Belutz> ok mdke, thanks