[12:34] <Mithrandir> hub: you joining us for dinner today?
[12:40] <Riddell> there's dinner today?
[12:44] <siretart> hi folks
[12:44] <\sh> good evening from montreal :)
[12:44] <\sh> huhu siretart..
[12:45] <siretart> ;)
[12:54] <blueyed> Wouldn't it be nice to to have an openssh-server package that has the chroot patch applied? or to have the patch applied to the main package? (http://chrootssh.sourceforge.net/)
[12:55] <crimsun> blueyed: I don't think kamion is going to be too hot to apply it
[12:56] <blueyed> But it's a great feature and such a small patch.
[12:57] <blueyed> crimsun: would it be synced from debian?
[12:57] <crimsun> blueyed: "it"?
[12:57] <crimsun> just ask kamion, since he's the Debian maintainer, too
[12:58] <blueyed> crimsun: apt-cache shows matthew.
[12:59] <crimsun> for ssh?
[12:59] <crimsun> ah
[12:59] <crimsun> ask kamion, then
[01:05] <Kyral> hey guys
[01:05] <Kyral> Stupid question
[01:05] <Kyral> but does UBZ start tomarrow at 9 AM EST or EDT?
[01:09] <crimsun> the former, I assume
[01:10] <Kyral> Okay, time changes get confusing
[01:10] <crimsun> the new extension doesn't begin until 2007
[01:10] <Kyral> It changes tonight
[01:11] <crimsun> tomorrow.
[01:11] <crimsun> 2 AM EDT->1 AM EST
[01:11] <crimsun> for me, that is.
[01:11] <Kyral> 2 AM on 10/30
[01:20] <farruinn> crimsun: I've never done this before, so let me make sure I'm doing what you want.  You need the debdiff between the ubuntu 2.0.4 package and the 3.0.2 package I made, right?
[01:21] <crimsun> yes
[01:21] <crimsun> between the dscs
[01:23] <farruinn> ok, I'll brb, I need to get to the ubuntu machine
[01:37] <crimsun> farruinn: posted anywhere yet?
[01:39] <farruinn> crimsun: sorry, like I said I've never done this.  One second and I'll give you a link
[01:47] <farruinn> crimsun: http://www2.potsdam.edu/sprang31/solfege2.0.4-3.0.2.debdiff
[01:48] <farruinn> crimsun: thanks for bearing with me, I hope that's what you need
[01:48] <Kyral> SUNY is on I2?
[01:48] <farruinn> I2?
[01:48] <crimsun> yes, it is
[01:48] <crimsun> nearly all US universities are on I2
[01:49] <Kyral> farruinn, you go to SUNY right?
[01:49] <farruinn> Kyral: yes
[01:50] <Kyral> Your one of you IT people is married to President Collins, no?
[01:51] <farruinn> I have no idea
[01:52] <farruinn> (I take it that's the Clarkson president?)
[01:52] <Kyral> Ja
[01:52] <farruinn> oh wait... I work with a woman named Karen Collins, maybe her?
[01:52] <Kyral> yah
[01:52] <Kyral> Think so
[01:53] <Kyral> what year are you?
[02:12] <Nafallo> should something happen after I send mail to submit@bugs.debian.org?
[02:13] <Nafallo> like the bug show up or something? :-P
[02:14] <crimsun> eventually you'll get an ack
[02:14] <minghua> Nafallo: yes, but there's usually a delay
[02:14] <minghua> the cron job runs every 15 minutes
[02:14] <Nafallo> ah, thanx :-)
[02:14] <Nafallo> I thought I was stupid and can't even compile a good mail or something :-P
[02:55] <Nafallo> hmm
[02:24] <LaserJock> \sh: hi! are you in Montreal yet?
[02:25] <Nafallo> \sh: morning darling :-)
[02:25] <\sh> LaserJock: jepp
[02:25] <LaserJock> sweet
[02:25] <\sh> Nafallo: morning honey..:)
[02:26] <Kyral> I should print out directions...
[02:26] <Nafallo> \sh: I'm filing bugs on debian :-P
[02:26] <LaserJock> \sh: is the money situation working out ok?
[02:26] <\sh> LaserJock: after an adventure flight
[02:26] <Nafallo> \sh: easier then I thought ;-)
[02:26] <ajmitch> Kyral: you'll be here in the morning then?
[02:26] <\sh> LaserJock: well...actually ogra is helping out...but i will change my bank after i will come back from ubz
[02:27] <Kyral> ajmitch, yah driving in from Potsdam NY
[02:27] <Kyral> I hope there is free food......
[02:27] <Nafallo> ajmitch: don't we all? ;-)
[02:27] <\sh> ajmitch: well...i'm really frustrated about this money shit...
[02:28] <ajmitch> Nafallo: drinking BOFs might get expensive by the end of the week :)
[02:28] <Nafallo> \sh: huh? something you haven't blogged about?
[02:28] <ajmitch> reminds me that I should track planet more closely ;)
[02:29] <Nafallo> ajmitch: ehm... what bird are you trying to make with those? :-P
[02:29] <\sh> Nafallo: no...this is really a serious problem i have to solve first , and then i'll blog about
[02:29] <ajmitch> Nafallo: the drunken antics of UBZ?
[02:29] <Nafallo> \sh: ah. so what _is_ the issue (for those of us that can't wait for that)
[02:29] <ajmitch> ssh is a little lagged from here :(
[02:29] <Nafallo> ajmitch: :-)
[02:30] <\sh> Nafallo: my bank is too slow..at least one or two days too slow
[02:30] <\sh> Nafallo: normally the money should be on my account on friday..but this didn't happen
[02:31] <Nafallo> \sh: ouch.
[02:31] <\sh> Nafallo: well..should be on my account on monday so i can pay everything back
[02:32] <Nafallo> let's hope :-).
[02:33] <Nafallo> hmm
[02:33] <Nafallo> it's apache-restart-day today, right?
[02:34] <Nafallo> ehm, I mean sunday
[02:34] <Kyral> I guess there is a small delegation from Clarkson University and SUNY Potsdam going tomarrow ;P
[02:34] <Nafallo> Kyral: where small is you? ;-)
[02:34] <ajmitch> \sh: what problems did you have?
[02:35] <Kyral> Actually is like 7 people from Clarkson (Check the Attendees list) and some people from SUNY
[02:35] <LaserJock> ajmitch: do you know how the list on UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile is created?
[02:35] <\sh> ajmitch: later...during drinking bof
[02:35] <Nafallo> Kyral: well. I'm lazy ;-).
[02:35] <Kyral> lol
[02:35] <ajmitch> \sh: ok, I think I might skip the drinking BOF tonight though
[02:35] <ajmitch> LaserJock: nope :)
[02:35] <\sh> ajmitch: oh ok...so tomorrow i'll explain everything
[02:36] <Kyral> I'll have a navy blue shirt that says "Clarkson University Department of Mathematics and Computer Science" on it, happy ;P
[02:37] <Kyral> lol
[02:37] <Kyral> If I don't get caffine into me soon after I wake up I will be too
[02:37] <Nafallo> ajmitch: fixed my f-spot bug yet, btw? ;-)
[02:37] <ajmitch> Nafallo: nope
[02:38] <Nafallo> ajmitch: I imported the photos I've taken and now it crashes on startup ;-)
[02:38] <\sh> ajmitch: come on...siretart and i are the ones with the bad jetlag :)
[02:38] <ajmitch> \sh: you know how long it took me to get to montreal :)
[02:40] <Nafallo> it's really funny to fool jenny that I've upgraded her computer also ;-)
[02:40] <Nafallo> \sh: what's the plan with gajim's debian/ubuntu delta?
[02:40] <Nafallo> :-)
[02:43] <ajmitch> hey koke
[02:43] <ajmitch> at the hotel now, I guess?
[02:43] <\sh> ajmitch: yeah :) but the best way to get over it, is to have some fun with the other tired guys :)
[02:44] <ajmitch> heh
[02:44] <Kyral> Aww I feel left out. I'm just sitting here in my dorm room reading the Jargon File
[02:44] <Kyral> :P
[02:44] <\sh> Nafallo: well...leave it...we will have always a delta...just because of the "human" default theme for ubuntu
[02:44] <\sh> Kyral: where r u?
[02:44] <koke> ajmitch: yeah
[02:44] <Kyral> Clarkson University
[02:45] <Kyral> 2 1/2 hours away from Montreal
[02:45] <Nafallo> \sh: hehe, well. that's a small delta compared to now ;-)
[02:45] <ajmitch> koke: great, just arrived here?
[02:45] <\sh> Kyral: oh...
[02:45] <koke> \sh: I'm thinking on going directly to sleep now
[02:45] <\sh> Nafallo: lets leave it ... we will have 0.9 coming in 2 months
[02:45] <koke> ajmitch: yeah, this is weird. I got a suite
[02:45] <ogra> koke, youre here ??
[02:45] <koke> ogra: yes
[02:45] <ajmitch> koke: lucky you, want to swap? ;)
[02:45] <ogra> koke, the rooma are all this big ;)
[02:45] <\sh> koke: hmmm....how long was your flight?
[02:45] <ogra> *rooms
[02:45] <Nafallo> \sh: hmm, that means we should roll 0.8.2+svn till then? ;-)
[02:45] <ogra> koke, cool :)
[02:46] <Nafallo> ogra: hi! :-)
[02:46] <Kyral> Early wakeup time tomorrow ;P
[02:46] <ajmitch> koke: what room # ?
[02:46] <\sh> Nafallo: somehow we could do this :)
[02:46] <ogra> Nafallo, hey
[02:46] <koke> \sh:too much, 7h form london
[02:46] <koke> 320
[02:46] <Nafallo> \sh: extra testing etcetera :-)
[02:46] <\sh> koke: oh come on...we had 8 hours flight, 10 hours stay in the plane
[02:46] <koke> btw, is whiprush here?
[02:46] <ogra> he was planning to
[02:46] <ajmitch> ok, so you're down on the 3rd floor with some of the others..
[02:46] <\sh> koke: and 6 hours jetlag :)
[02:46] <ogra> dunno if he's already here
[02:46] <\sh> he's not coming
[02:47] <Nafallo> ogra: did we ever have a list of things that needs merging? :-)
[02:47] <koke> \sh: 7 + 2 from madrid + 2 in train :)
[02:47] <ajmitch> he's not? :(
[02:47] <\sh> ajmitch: no he mentioned it on his blog
[02:47] <koke> what about some beer in the bar??
[02:47] <ajmitch> koke: 3+12+2.5+4.5 for me :)
[02:48] <\sh> koke: well...there is a problem...fabbione :)
[02:48] <koke> \sh: what's the problem
[02:48] <\sh> koke: he wants to go to super sexe
[02:48] <\sh> koke: join #ubz
[02:48] <koke> w00t?
[02:48] <ogra> Nafallo, we should get a lit from KEybuk soon, seems MOM could work for universe... since we didnt respect the freezes
[02:49] <ogra> *list
[02:49] <Nafallo> ogra: ah, oki :-)
[02:49] <Nafallo> I bug debian about stuff they should take before we can sync stuff atm :-)
[02:50] <ogra> no promises though
[02:50] <Nafallo> but I only knew two packages by heart :-P
[02:51] <Nafallo> +patch :-P
[02:52] <Nafallo> anyway, 2:50 here or something.
[02:52] <Nafallo> I should sleep
[02:52] <Nafallo> gnight all
[02:52] <ogra> night Nafallo
[03:02] <Kyral> I'm so nervous about tomorrow
[03:03] <ajmitch> why?
[03:04] <Kyral> I'm afraid I'm gonna make on idiot of myself
[03:04] <ajmitch> don't worry
[03:04] <ajmitch> we all do that
[03:05] <Kyral> Yah, but it seems to happen a LOT more often with me
[03:06] <ajmitch> heh
[03:07] <pietrus> may i ask a question about ubuntu development?
[03:07] <pietrus> packages from debian are syced automatically to universe or motus do it manually?
[03:12] <ajmitch> automatic until upstream version freeze, if we haven't previously modified it in ubuntu
[03:12] <Amaranth> pietrus: Unless the ubuntu package has any changes it happens automatically at the start of a development cycle.
[03:17] <TiMiDo> ey people
[03:17] <LaserJock> hi
[04:02] <Kyral> goodnight all and cya at UBZ tomorrow :D
[04:10] <zakame> hi all
[04:10] <_Tonio_> hi
[04:11] <zakame> is there a policy from ubuntu or debian about packaging www servers? if so, where can I find it?
[04:12] <_Tonio_> what do you mean by "packaging www.servers?" ?
[04:13] <_Tonio_> there is one for debian, I think ubuntu's one's the same....
[04:13] <_Tonio_> let me check if I have the link here.....
[04:13] <zakame> I'm packaging lighttpd atm, and I want to know what to do during the {post,pre}{inst,rm} scripts
[04:14] <zakame> I'd also like to know if what stuff a www server can put in /var/www
[04:15] <_Tonio_> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/
[04:15] <_Tonio_> you might find what you're search for there... but good luck for the reading.
[04:15] <zakame> okies thanks :D
[04:15] <_Tonio_> I must say I don't have a simple answer to your question.
[04:15] <_Tonio_> zakame: no pb
[04:37] <zakame> hmmm, would it be feasible to split lighttpd into lighttpd and liblighttpd-mod-* like what apache2 does?
[04:38] <Lathiat> zakame: yeh
[04:38] <Lathiat> proably a good idea if lighttpd supports it
[04:43] <hub> Mithrandir: I did :-).
[04:44] <zakame> Lathiat: you mean the modular configuration?
[04:45] <Lathiat> zakame: i havent used it, but more, whether you can compile in modules and not have them loaded at runtime, etc
[04:47] <zakame> Lathiat: yes, lighttpd can do that :)  My only gripe is that its configuration syntax is a bit confusing...
[04:47] <zakame> ... but its like Perl, so, it ought to be just normal :)
[04:55] <zakame> Lathiat: thanks! :D
[05:31] <hub> do I have to export and send the signed key ?
[05:45] <ogra> hub, just print the fingerprint and key id several times
[05:46] <hub> ogra: I have business card with key ID
[05:46] <hub> ogra: so that's ok. but I was wondering after doing a --sign-key if I had to send it to its owner
[05:46] <ogra> then you need the fingerprint only... i'm not sure if anybody planned a keysigning party
[05:46] <hub> ogra: are you in Mtl?
[05:46] <ogra> ye
[05:46] <ogra> s
[05:46] <hub> ah
[05:47] <hub> I come back from the dinner with the ubuntu guys
[05:47] <ogra> else i wouldnt be awake at this horrible time ;)
[05:47] <hub> I'm home now
[05:47] <hub> and out of beer:-(
[05:47] <tritium> ogra, it's not even midnight, is it?
[05:47] <ogra> oh, we just had a drinking BOF
[05:48] <ogra> tritium, its 6:47am in my home TZ :)
[05:48] <hub> tritium: it is almost 1
[05:48] <hub> ogra: yeah I read that with \sh
[05:48] <tritium> ogra, fair enough.  DST ends tonight...
[05:48] <ogra> yup
[05:48] <hub> I crossed Daniel Silverstone and we exchange keys and picture IDs
[05:48] <ogra> ah, didnt see him around yet
[05:48] <hub> and the wiki page say " Sign the key of the person you've just met. Send him/her the key you've just signed."
[05:48] <ogra> he wasnt at dinner with us
[05:48] <hub> so I was wondering
[05:49] <hub> ogra: nor with us
[05:49] <ogra> yes, send it to him... he has to upload it
[05:49] <hub> ok.
[05:49] <ogra> dont upload it yourself, he needs to confirm
[05:49] <ogra> so leave it in his hands
[05:49] <hub> first time I sign keys :-)
[05:49] <hub> make sense. just wanted to make sure
[05:53] <hub> 46KB for an armored key?
[05:53] <hub> wow
[05:55] <ogra> dsilvers ?
[05:55] <ogra> yes, he's got quite some signs already :)
[05:59] <hub> ogra: dsilvers
[05:59] <ogra> yup
[06:00] <hub> I just printed a newer stack of cards
[06:00] <ogra> heh
[06:01] <hub> I threw away 300 cards last week, they became useless
[06:01] <ogra> ok, i'm off to bed now, got a talk tomorrow... and if i'm not attending sabdfls talk at 9am i risk my job ;)
[06:04] <hub> okay
[06:04] <hub> see you there
[06:06] <Amaranth> anyone taking notes or recording the talks?
[06:11] <hub> taking notes probably a lot of people
[06:11] <hub> I'll surely take pictures
[08:10] <zyga> morning
[08:37] <zakame> hi all
[09:24] <TiMiDo> hey anyone here?
[09:25] <ivoks> nope :)
[09:25] <TiMiDo> oh thnx
[09:25] <TiMiDo> hey how do i join a Team?
[09:25] <TiMiDo> on launchpad
[09:25] <ivoks> which team?
[09:26] <TiMiDo>  UbuntuCoreDevelopmentTea
[09:26] <TiMiDo> m
[09:26] <ivoks> uh :)
[09:26] <ivoks> thath #ubuntu-devel
[09:26] <ivoks> you have to become member first
[09:27] <ivoks> then motu
[09:27] <TiMiDo> how do i become a member?
[09:27] <ivoks> then you'll get a chance to become main developer
[09:27] <TiMiDo> oh ic,
[09:27] <TiMiDo> so how do i become a member ivoks?
[09:27] <robitaille> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[09:27] <ivoks> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/processes/newmember
[09:27] <ivoks> oh :)
[09:28] <TiMiDo> and yes i been to the meetings also =)
[09:28] <robitaille> my mouse is faster than yours ivoks :)
[09:28] <TiMiDo> so i have to send the gpg key to Benjamin Mako Hill
[09:28] <TiMiDo> ?
[09:29] <ivoks> robitaille: i don't have mouse :)
[09:29] <ivoks> TiMiDo: it's  very simple
[09:29] <TiMiDo> is it?
[09:29] <ivoks> TiMiDo: you have to do something for community
[09:29] <TiMiDo> like what?
[09:29] <ivoks> then go to CC meeting and become mebmer
[09:30] <ivoks> then sign CoC with your trusted gpg key
[09:30] <ivoks> then do some help for motu
[09:30] <ivoks> and become motu
[09:30] <TiMiDo> what can i do for the community??
[09:30] <ivoks> then work hard every day to maybe get a chance for main developer
[09:30] <ivoks> TiMiDo: whatever
[09:30] <TiMiDo> like writting a document?
[09:31] <ivoks> whatever you think is good for community
[09:31] <TiMiDo> ok,
[09:31] <ivoks> CC will decide if that good enough
[09:31] <TiMiDo> who's cc?
[09:32] <ivoks> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/processes/newmember
[09:32] <ivoks> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/processes/newmember
[09:32] <ivoks> sorry for double paste :/
[09:33] <robitaille> the wiki and web site both have a bunch of things you can do
[09:33] <robitaille> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/participate
[09:33] <robitaille> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TheUbuntuCommunity
[09:33] <zakame> hi all
[09:33] <robitaille> just pick whatever you are good at, or you want to do.
[09:35] <zakame> wb Sepheebear
[09:50] <ivoks> ptlo: hej hej!
[09:51] <ivoks> ptlo: join #ubuntu-hr
[09:51] <zakame> hmmm, are the debian package sources for apache2 available via VC?
[09:52] <ptlo> ivoks heya! :)
[09:52] <zakame> ah, its at svn.debian.org pala...
[10:20] <Kyral> Nothing like a bit of anime to wake up with
[10:21] <crimsun> I'm encoding flacs, heh.
[10:26] <siretart> morning
[10:27] <crimsun> morning
[10:31] <pef> hello
[10:32] <siretart> hi pef
[10:33] <pef> siretart: hi :) can I have revu2 trac url ?
[10:36] <siretart> pef: http://revu.tauware.de/trac
[10:36] <pef> thanks !
[10:39] <ivoks> \sh: ?
[10:40] <ivoks> \sh: i guess you are in montreal :)
[10:40] <\sh> yes
[10:40] <ivoks> \sh: go to bed :)
[10:40] <\sh> siretart lays in the other bed next to me
[10:40] <ivoks> siretart: you too?! :)
[10:40] <siretart> ivoks: we cannot sleep anymore
[10:41] <siretart> ivoks: I'm with \sh in the same room :)
[10:41] <ivoks> hehe
[10:41] <ivoks> i understand... time diff
[10:41] <ivoks> you have to acomodate
[10:41] <\sh> ivoks: i was awake 28h
[10:41] <\sh> ivoks: that means now I'm totally clear in my mind...
[10:42] <ivoks> :)
[10:42] <Kyral> Whats the temp in Montreal right now anyway?
[10:42] <Kyral> I need to know if I should wear my winter jacket or my hoodie ;P
[10:43] <crimsun> Kyral: wunderground.
[10:43] <Kyral> wazzat mean?
[10:43] <crimsun> the Web site
[10:44] <Kyral> ?
[10:44] <Kyral> which website
[10:44] <crimsun> wunderground.com
[10:44] <crimsun> http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/71627.html
[10:45] <Kyral> ah 3C! Thats quite warm!
[10:45] <Kyral> Hoodie it is :D
[10:45] <Kyral> I gotta go catch my ride, cya all at 9 :D (Now I just need to find someplace to get breakfast...)
[10:46] <crimsun> I just use the Weather Report panel applet
[10:58] <ivoks> 3C?
[10:58] <ivoks> man, is it snowing?
[10:59] <ivoks> :)
[10:59] <ivoks> snowboarding comes to my mind :)
[11:40] <_Tonio_> hi
[11:41] <highvoltage> hi _Tonio_
[11:50] <\sh> moins highvoltage
[12:24] <hub> hi
[12:24] <hub> anybody awake?
[12:24] <\sh> re
[12:24] <\sh> sure
[12:24] <Yagisan> yeah - what's up ?
[12:25] <hub> \sh: jetlagged? it always does that to me
[12:25] <hub> my alarm was at 7 but didn't take into account DST
[12:25] <hub> so now I'm really awake
[12:25] <\sh> hub: well...after 28 hours without sleep...and only a couple of hours of sleep including now the daylight saving change
[12:25] <\sh> we're feeling ok :)
[12:26] <\sh> I'm up for a big cup of coffee
[12:26] <hub> perhaps we should have a caffeination BOF
[12:26] <\sh> hehe...which room r u?
[12:27] <hub> \sh: I'm at home
[12:27] <\sh> oh yeah..u live here, right? :)
[12:27] <hub> yep
[12:27] <\sh> hub: btw...http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/ubz/ <- fresh hot pictures :)
[12:28] <hub> I didn't took pics yesterday
[12:29] <\sh> lol
[12:30] <\sh> siretart is fun :)
[12:34] <hub> \sh: if I show up in 1/2 hour, are you up to a coffee BOF?
[12:34] <\sh> hub: sure :)
[12:34] <hub> the hardest part is to find my GF metro pass
[12:35] <hub> \sh: which room are you?
[12:36] <\sh> 714
[12:36] <hub> ok
[12:36] <\sh> but I think we meet up downstairs in front of the hotel
[12:37] <hub> outside?
[12:38] <\sh> yeah...for a smoking  bof ;)
[12:41] <hub> \sh: ah ok.
[12:41] <hub> I'm almost ready to leave now
[12:42] <hub> see you then
[12:42] <\sh> cu later :)
[12:52] <siretart> crimsun: you just commented on #3473?
[12:53] <siretart> crimsun: perhaps you want to take this bug then, assign it to you, okay?
[12:55] <keyes> hello
[12:55] <keyes> siretart:  hello
[12:55] <siretart> huhu keyes
[12:55] <Yagisan> keyes: how is your et package ?
[12:56] <keyes> Yagisan:  same point
[12:56] <keyes> problem with sound
[12:56] <keyes> esddsp don't work with et
[12:56] <keyes> aoss works but very bad
[12:56] <siretart> et? as in enemy teritorry?
[12:56] <Yagisan> keyes: no ? (I only run it on amd64)
[12:56] <Yagisan> siretart: yes
[12:56] <keyes> siretart:  yes
[12:56] <siretart> Yagisan: err, is it redistributable at all?
[12:57] <keyes> siretart:  it seems opensource but I don't know
[12:57] <siretart> and after all, it's really huge package
[12:57] <siretart> keyes: opensource? et? haha!
[12:57] <Yagisan> siretart: let me just check the license
[12:57] <keyes> if it's redistruable
[12:58] <siretart> keyes: the engine is free, but not the media/data files
[12:58] <Yagisan> siretart: It has a lot of mirrors (260MB)
[12:58] <keyes> yes the engine
[12:58] <siretart> some time ago
[12:58] <keyes> How can I do to run this command as root before playing in a package? (don't works with sudo)
[12:59] <Yagisan> siretart: yes, you can redistribute it, if you don't charge for it
[12:59] <siretart> keyes: what command?
[12:59] <keyes> echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss
[01:00] <siretart> bah, that should be fixed elsewhere, talk to crimsun
[01:00] <Yagisan> siretart, keyes: that command is only needed on sound cards without hardware mixing
[01:00] <siretart> okay, breakfast now, cu later
[01:00] <keyes> Yagisan:  my sound card don't have hardware mixing ...
[01:00] <crimsun> siretart: sure
[01:01] <crimsun> siretart: I uploaded a new wpasupplicant as well
[01:01] <Yagisan> keyes: Neither did my onboard
[01:01] <keyes> i've also tryed "killall esd && et && esd" but don't works ...
[01:01] <Yagisan> keyes: You got the list of libs needed (strings et.x86 | grep lib) ?
[01:02] <keyes> http://pastebin.com/410850
[01:04] <keyes> I can make a rc.d script but ... I think this is a bad solution
[01:07] <crimsun> keyes: cat /proc/asound/modules
[01:08] <keyes> 0 snd_via82xx
[01:08] <keyes>    1 snd_usb_audio
[01:08] <crimsun> so you're attempting the via82xx driver for et?
[01:08] <keyes> yes
[01:12] <crimsun> keyes: you should have a second pcm device for your via82xx
[01:12] <Yagisan> keyes: did "esdctl stop" help ?
[01:12] <keyes> $ esdctl stop
[01:12] <keyes> -1
[01:12] <Yagisan> crimsun: et wants /dev/dsp all to itself
[01:12] <keyes> yes
[01:13] <Yagisan> crimsun: just like quake3
[01:13] <crimsun> please test if unloading snd-pcm-oss then reloading it with ''sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss dsp_map=1'' resolves the ET issue
[01:14] <keyes> don't solve anything
[01:14] <crimsun> I also need to know the precise /proc/asound/cards info, because it might well be a dxs_support issue
[01:15] <keyes> 0 [V8235          ] : VIA8233 - VIA 8235
[01:15] <keyes>                      VIA 8235 with ALC655 at 0xe000, irq 22
[01:15] <keyes> 1 [U0x46d0x8b3    ] : USB-Audio - USB Device 0x46d:0x8b3
[01:15] <keyes>                      USB Device 0x46d:0x8b3 at usb-0000:00:10.2-2, full speed
[01:15] <crimsun> ah, the 655
[01:17] <Yagisan> crimsum: I had the same problem with VIA 8237 with ALC658
[01:17] <crimsun> ok, unload then reload snd-via82xx, passing the following dxs_support values in this order if the previous doesn't work: 1, 4, 2
[01:18] <crimsun> Yagisan: the non-mixing issue is known and won't be fixed
[01:18] <keyes> crimsun:  but i'm looking for a solution working on all configs for my package
[01:18] <crimsun> Yagisan: the sample rate problem has workarounds, but the myriad codecs and chipsets present problems
[01:18] <keyes> and the sound don't work by default on all configs
[01:19] <crimsun> keyes: your package should not be touching ALSA configs; that should be a bug in alsa-kernel/alsa-driver
[01:19] <keyes> crimsun:  hum
[01:19] <keyes> it's bug in ET
[01:19] <keyes> i have read
[01:20] <crimsun> keyes: which bug?
[01:20] <crimsun> keyes: I thought you were referring to the sound quality problem
[01:20] <keyes> like quake3 et don't use alsa but OSS
[01:20] <keyes> and sound doesn't work without hack on systems using alsa
[01:20] <crimsun> well ttimo didn't develop an ALSA-native backend for those, true
[01:21] <crimsun> but et and q3a should still work using the OSS "emulation"
[01:21] <tseng> works for me
[01:21] <crimsun> if they don't work, that's a bug in ALSA
[01:21] <tseng> q3 less recently
[01:21] <tseng> et a few days ago
[01:22] <tseng> on breezy final
[01:23] <Yagisan> I need the work around with VIA 8237 with ALC658, but not with SBLive! Value [CT4832] 
[01:23] <keyes> so i will make a packag with no sound and provide a link to active the sound ...
[01:24] <Yagisan> crimsun: Is the VIA 8237 incapable of mixing ?
[01:25] <crimsun> Yagisan: yes, and dxs_support=2 should disable it completely
[01:25] <crimsun> keep in mind that the mixing is craptastic
[01:25] <Yagisan> keyes: don't forget the LD_ASSUME_KERNEL
[01:26] <Yagisan> crimsun: OK, that means the $10au I spent on ebay for the sblive was well spent
[01:26] <crimsun> Yagisan: yes. The via82xx mixing can only be called such...barely.
[01:27] <keyes> Yagisan:  what about that?
[01:27] <Yagisan> keyes: et needs export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.2 to work on amd64
[01:28] <Yagisan> keyes: I added it to the script right before the exec ./et.x86
[01:28] <keyes> ok
[01:28] <keyes> will add it
[01:29] <Yagisan> keyes: when you need the package tested, ping me - I'm very interested
[01:29] <keyes> ok
[02:21] <tseng> Lathiat: "Hence users could be able to run nearly all Zeroconf-enabled software for Unix on top of Avahi." < oh man
[02:22] <Lathiat> tseng: ? :)
[02:22] <tseng> cool stuff
[02:22] <Lathiat> :)
[02:22] <Lathiat> yup
[02:22] <Lathiat> 0.6 is looking good
[02:22] <Lathiat> we trashed the python utils and made them C too, so can suit some more smaller systems
[02:23] <tseng> nice
[02:23] <Lathiat> and fixed a network vulnerability :\
[02:23] <tseng> my ideal goal is to have a little file server running daap all the time
[02:24] <Lathiat> you could do that with mt-daapd
[02:24] <tseng> ya
[02:24] <Lathiat> just turn off its internal thing and advertise it with a static service file :)
[02:24] <tseng> i dont have any clients yet, though
[02:24] <Lathiat> rb does it
[02:24] <Lathiat> and daap-sharp is looking good so banshee may soon
[02:24] <tseng> seb turned off avahi in rb package
[02:25] <Lathiat> yeh cus its still in universe
[02:25] <Lathiat> he filled out a main incl report for it
[02:25] <tseng> yes :)
[02:27] <Lathiat> welp, me -> bed :)
[02:27] <Lathiat> night
[02:33] <siretart> re
[02:34] <hub> re
[02:34] <hub> funny irc over the lobby
[02:41] <zakame> hello all
[03:11] <ajmitch> morning all
[03:12] <zakame> hi ajmitch :D
[03:12] <Lathiat> night ajmitch ;p
[03:24] <sivang> morning motus
[03:24] <ajmitch> hi
[03:26] <zakame> hi sivang
[03:28] <\sh> sivang: got your book upstairs :)
[03:29] <sivang> \sh: cool thanks :)
[03:29] <sivang> \sh: we'll meet over lunch , I hope
[03:29] <zakame> you all already in Montreal?
[03:29] <ajmitch> yep
[03:29] <ajmitch> ubuntu love day today
[03:30] <\sh> sivang: sure...i think i'm the only guy with blue glasses here
[03:31] <ajmitch> mm, merging...
[03:33] <Treenaks> ajmitch: raise your hand!
[03:34] <ajmitch> Treenaks: I'm sitting by azz who's talking..
[03:34] <ivoks> :)
[03:34] <Treenaks> ajmitch: azz?
[03:34] <ivoks> guys at ubz should leave to ubuntu-ubz
[03:34] <ajmitch> Treenaks: where are you?
[03:34] <ivoks> and leave other in agony :)
[03:34] <ajmitch> ivoks: nah :P
[03:34] <Treenaks> ajmitch: at the front
[03:34] <Treenaks> next to dholbach
[03:35] <ajmitch> :)
[03:35] <Treenaks> hi! :)
[03:35] <ajmitch> hi
[03:35] <\sh> hmm
[03:35] <\sh> just uploaded xterm 205
[03:35] <\sh> ,)
[03:35] <ajmitch> uh oh :)
[03:37] <ajmitch> fyi, ubz motus need to subscribe to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/motu-debian
[03:37] <\sh> ajmitch: done
[03:38] <ajmitch> thanks
[03:38] <ajmitch> basically the topic that they're talking about at the moment :)
[03:38] <ajmitch> except it's what we need to do to make life easier
[03:42] <zakame> ajmitch: yep, that'll be good
[03:43] <zakame> how about motu packages not yet available in debian?
[03:45] <ajmitch> that's another matter, working with the utnubu team if they want to maintain those in debian
[03:45] <CaiN_SA> whah
[03:46] <zakame> ajmitch: ah
[03:46] <ajmitch> hello CaiN_SA
[03:47] <zakame> wb CaiN_SA
[03:47] <ajmitch> wb ogra :)
[03:48] <zakame> wb ogra
[06:28] <tseng> python, gcc
[06:28] <tseng> x
[06:28] <tseng> yes indeed
[06:36] <ajmitch> 632 at a quick count
[08:41] <hub> hi all
[08:41] <hub> dholbach rocks 1
[08:41] <hub> !
[08:48] <ajmitch> :)
[10:47] <Akatemik> Hmm, is this the right place to ask about own ubuntu related dev-projects (ended up here from #ubuntu-devel's /topic)?
[10:50] <\sh> Akatemik: yepp
[10:50] <Akatemik> Great. I was thinking of remastering an ubuntu-livecd for my own needs, biggest difference being a need to make it boot on multiple archs
[10:51] <\sh> Akatemik: u should talk about this project on -devel...-motu is just more packaging stuff..
[10:51] <Akatemik> \sh: Hmm, ok