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[01:37] <deang> is Zope2.8 possible on Edubuntu?  I though I had opened up the `verses but I'm not seeing them in a Synaptic search for Zope.  Only Zope3..
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[02:34] <deang> I resolved my Zope issue by refreshing my sources.
[02:34] <deang> I have this re-accuring problem with the Backports:  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3853
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[02:40] <paolob> Hi guys! I've just installed edubuntu on my ltsp server, and I'm trying to boot a client. All is ok, with the nic, but when booting the client's linux, the client fails "calculating modules dependencies": it says: "FATAL: could not open /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/modules.dep.temp for writing: Read-only file system". Any idea?
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[04:53] <mhz> hey
[04:54] <mhz> arkan0x: tienes el mail de JCI?
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[04:56] <arkan0x> mhz, este parece ke usa
[04:56] <mhz> ok, thx
[04:57] <arkan0x> mhz, algun link de instalacion de moin ?? xD
[04:57] <mhz> sip
[04:57] <arkan0x> kiero instalar en el tarro este , pa acostumbrarme
[04:59] <mhz> arkan0x: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MauricioHernandez/HowToSurviveMigration#head-5cf877f6852ceb38e09d83fb81cb75bb9be72254
[05:00] <mhz> http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnInstalling/BasicInstallation
[05:00] <mhz> http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnInstalling/WikiInstanceCreation
[05:01] <mhz> de todos modos recomiendo que antes ... apt-get install pythin-dev
[05:01] <mhz> de todos modos recomiendo que antes ... apt-get install python-dev
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[09:38] <juliux> morning
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[11:00] <highvoltage> JaneW: google for "incompetent idiot" :)
[11:33] <highvoltage> JaneW: do we normally have agendas for the wednesday meetings?
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[01:30] <paolob> Hi guys! I successfully installed edubuntu. When installing the first client, all is ok, the kernel boots, but when running system services, it fails when "calculating modules dependencies": "FATAL: could not
[01:30] <paolob> open /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/modules.dep.temp for writing: Read-only
[01:30] <paolob> file system". Any suggestion? thank you!
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[01:44] <bluefrog-10> with what account do u log in?
[01:44] <bluefrog-10> from the client?
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[01:44] <bluefrog-10> paolob, still around?
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[02:07] <zakame> hi all
[02:10] <juliux> hi zakame 
[02:11] <paolob> bluefrog-10, the client is logging in, no user account
[02:13] <paolob> bluefrog-10, the client uses etherboot
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[02:16] <zakame> wazup here?
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[02:52] <paolob> Hi guys! I keep having problems with edubuntu y a thin client. The client boots the kernel, fails starting some service (for example "calculating modules dependencies) because of a "Read-only file system", and when it presents the graphical login screen, it doesn't log in: Any user/password I put, it reiniciate gdm. Any hint? Thank you!
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[02:59] <jelkner> is there anyone here who could help with a python bug?
[02:59] <jelkner> my lesson today bombed because idle wouldn't start
[02:59] <jelkner> it is all my fault, i didn't test it first
[03:00] <jelkner> it works on my ubuntu systems, but on our edubuntu server, it won't start
[03:00] <jelkner> i just submitted a bug report: 18714
[03:00] <jelkner> but i'm leaving for UBZ tomorrow and my students need to be able to work while i'm away
[03:01] <jelkner> help!
[03:01] <jelkner> here is the problem
[03:01] <jelkner> jelkner@edubuntu:~$ idle
[03:01] <jelkner> Traceback (most recent call last):
[03:01] <jelkner>   File "/usr/bin/idle", line 5, in ?
[03:01] <jelkner>     main()
[03:01] <jelkner>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/idlelib/PyShell.py", line 1350, in main
[03:01] <jelkner>     root = Tk(className="Idle")
[03:01] <jelkner>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/lib-tk/Tkinter.py", line 1569, in __init__
[03:01] <jelkner>     self.tk = _tkinter.create(screenName, baseName, className, interactive, wantobjects, useTk, sync, use)
[03:01] <jelkner> _tkinter.TclError: this isn't a Tk applicationunknown color name "Black"
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[03:04] <jelkner> ogra: hi oliver
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[03:04] <jelkner> i've got a minor emergency
[03:04] <jelkner> do you have a minute?
[03:05] <ogra> morning
[03:05] <ogra> jelkner, after marks opening
[03:05] <jelkner> thanks
[03:05] <jelkner> don't want to interfere with that
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[03:10] <Yagisan> paolob: On the server try running ltsp-update-sshkeys the reboot the client and try again
[03:17] <zakame> late evening ogra :D
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[03:20] <Zaheer> afternoon everyone :)
[03:20] <Zaheer> right so i've finally installed a physical machine with edubuntu 5.10 hip hip
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[03:25] <Zaheer> although im having a few problems... 1. postgres, what is the default admin username and password to create more users and db?
[03:25] <Zaheer> 2. How do i install .debs (ubuntu files not debian) ?
[03:29] <Yagisan> Zaheer: 2. Use synaptic or aptitude on the server (synaptic is in a menu, you'd need to run aptitude from a terminal)
[03:32] <paolob> Yagisan, thank you! let me try!
[03:33] <paolob> Yagisan, now it does work! than you!
[03:34] <paolob> Yagisan, But what about the "Read-only file system" error? Aren't they perjudicial?
[03:34] <Zaheer> the last time i checked synaptic didnt have any facilities for openening single debs... i had to run dkpg -i [filename.deb]  and even that didn't always work...i'll give it a try
[03:41] <jsgotangco> well maybe your deb has some dependencies
[03:42] <Zaheer> yes they did, and i had to install them in order of the deps.... 'twas loong night :D
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[03:44] <Yagisan> paolob: The Read Only warning isn't an error, don't worry about it, it's harmless.
[03:45] <paolob> Yagisan, ok, tnx!
[03:45] <jsgotangco> Zaheer: really is that really necessary, that's why aptitiude is there for you..unless you really have an application that is not in ubuntu (chaces are its there)
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[03:45] <Yagisan> Zaheer: what app are you installing ?
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[03:48] <Zaheer> nothing in particular i just DL mplayer, pgadmin and some other debs from ubuntu.packages.com i dont have Internet so i download during the day and take them home at night to install.
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[03:50] <Zaheer> does anyone know what the default user name and password for postgres is by any chance?
[03:52] <zakame> Zaheer: just a thought, but have you checked /usr/share/doc/postgresql ?
[03:53] <Zaheer> i've read through the "getting started" docs and it doesnt say anything about it over... 
[03:53] <ealden> Zaheer: do a `sudo su postgres` and then `createuser foo`
[03:54] <Zaheer> tried it dont work
[03:54] <Zaheer> remember this was a standard edubuntu install that come with postgres..
[03:54] <Zaheer> came.
[03:54] <ealden> hmm
[03:55] <Zaheer> i know the norm is user=postgres password= blank but it kept prompting when i entered nothing... seems it didnt like empty strings
[03:57] <zakame> have you tried password `blank' ?
[03:57] <Zaheer> literall?
[03:57] <zakame> yeah, worth a try...
[03:57] <Zaheer> when it prompts i hit 'enter'
[03:58] <Zaheer> and then it just prompts again.
[04:00] <Zaheer> im going to try to install pgadmin and see what happening baby my newness is whats holding me back...
[04:02] <Zaheer> thanks for the comments and suggestions will try them out tonight and give some feedback 2mrw :)
[04:02] <Zaheer> thanks guys/girls much appreciated! bye
[04:02] <ogra> Zaheer, you have to create the user in the master table ... "sudo su postgres pgsql" should get you in the postgres console
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[04:51] <jelkner> ogra: oliver, are you here now?
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[05:04] <highvoltage> JaneW, ogra: how's UBZ today?
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[05:53] <highvoltage> JaneW: wb
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[07:02] <gr8nash2> hi all
[07:03] <gr8nash2> hey im currently googling and cant seem to find the answer.. i thought i read somewhere on the site that edubutu had software to track grades.. but i cant seem to find any reference now
[07:03] <gr8nash2> dont know if i imagined it or not
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[07:25] <highvoltage> edoo: slashdot
[07:25] <edoo> highvoltage: Slashdot - Updated 2005-10-31 18:08:00 | Unblock Google Cache in China | IBM ThinkPad X41 Tablet PC Reviewed | SBC CEO: Pay up if you want to use our pipes | mTLD to enforce Web standards in .mobi
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[09:48] <mhz> good (Chilean) evening!
[09:49] <mhz> ogra: busy?
[09:50] <mhz> hmm someone with tech background around?
[09:50] <crimsun> what sort of tech background?
[09:50] <mhz> hey crimsun 
[09:50] <crimsun> hey mhz 
[09:50] <mhz> I've been contacted by someone from ubuntu-es who is trying Edubuntu
[09:51] <mhz> he's had the following problems i can't explain why they happen:
[09:51] <mhz> after he successfully boots clients...
[09:51] <mhz> he gets: calculating modules dependencies
[09:51] <mhz> that is fine
[09:52] <mhz> but it takes so long until he gets:
[09:52] <mhz> fail
[09:52] <mhz> FATAL
[09:52] <mhz> could not
[09:52] <mhz> > open /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/modules.dep.temp for writing: Read-only
[09:52] <mhz> > file system
[09:52] <crimsun> does he have enough free space on / ?
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[09:53] <crimsun> also, if the machine doesn't freeze, he should have some info in /var/log/dmesg
[09:53] <mhz> hmm, ok.
[09:53] <crimsun> if it's not lack of free space, perhaps his HD or IDE controller are failing
[09:54] <mhz> crimsun: so you say he should check that there's room in / and read /var/log/dmesg
[09:54] <crimsun> yes
[09:54] <mhz> ok, thx
[09:54] <crimsun> if his HD is dying, he'll have lots of errors spewed toward the end of /var/log/dmesg
[09:54] <crimsun> np
[09:55] <mhz> interesting
[09:55] <mhz> he also gets "out of
[09:55] <mhz> > memory" from getty
[09:56] <mhz> crimsun: nothing to do, but have you used edubuntu with WindowMaker?
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[09:59] <mhz> hehehe
[09:59] <mhz> break-dancing
[10:00] <crimsun> mhz: I haven't
[10:00] <mhz> crimsun: when you say 'enough /' How much would be ok? (and I truly guess you mean in the 'server' side)
[10:01] <crimsun> mhz: RE: memory error, which is beginning to sound more like hardware issues, has he run memtest86+ on the machine?
[10:01] <crimsun> mhz: at least 2 GB for /
[10:02] <mhz> crimsun: and how long have you been testing edubuntu and under which environments or layouts? (I need fedback from testers, much feedback)
[10:02] <mhz> crimsun: memory/ no idea, I'll ask
[10:02] <crimsun> mhz: I've only downloaded the iso, the hardware is tied up in bureaucracy atm
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[10:03] <mhz> .oO(usually, people do not provide as much info as possible when they have trouble and ask for help. Sorry)
[10:03] <mhz> crimsun: hehehe, ok
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[10:07] <mhz> strusberg: aloha!
[10:07] <crimsun> mhz: I'm offline for a bit, need to go teach class
[10:08] <mhz> may the patience be with you
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[10:26] <mhz> strusberg: any nwas about the congress?
[10:28] <neurogeek> mhz, Hello, Im currently working with Strusberg.. Nice to meet you
[10:29] <neurogeek> mhz, he is not right here, he is giving classes.. but he told me that you were talking about cuaima the other day
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[10:38] <luis__> hey, all, sorry to ask what might be an obvious question, but are you all bundling a CMS with edubuntu? 
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[10:44] <mhz> re
[10:44] <strusberg> mhz:Hi
[10:44] <mhz> alojamiento, strusberg 
[10:45] <mhz> que significa la 'R' en tu nombre?
[10:45] <strusberg> mhz: Ricardo
[10:45] <mhz> oh
[10:46] <mhz> y tu segundo nombre, por casualidad, empieza con M?
[10:46] <strusberg> mhz: Nop
[10:46] <mhz> boooh
[10:46] <strusberg> mhz: Ufff RMS???
[10:46] <mhz> for a moment I though of the coincidence if your initials were RMS :D
[10:46] <mhz> exactly
[10:47] <mhz> strusberg: BTW, my chilean initial are MHZ but my english ones should be MRH
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[10:48] <mhz> do you in Venezuela use latin method or english one?
[10:49] <strusberg> mhz: for what?
[10:49] <mhz> for initials
[10:49] <strusberg> mhz: Latin method.
[10:49] <mhz> ok
[10:49] <strusberg> mhz: neurogeek is a Cuaima Team member
[10:50] <strusberg> mhz: In fact, he is the tech leader for that project.
[10:51] <mhz> now, back to edubuntu business, strusberg are you currently testing edubuntu? If so, could you provide a brief summary of your experience with it and your comments, as long as stating the hw and network you've used it with?
[10:52] <mhz> strusberg: cuaima/ then if you seriously think we should include it or cnsider it for edubuntu, i'd suggest you send an email to the ML
[10:53] <neurogeek> mhz, hello again.. strusberg went teaching. He installed Edubuntu, but hasn't had the time to fully test it.. 
[10:54] <mhz> neurogeek: nice to talk to you and welcome to the project :)
[10:54] <strusberg> mhz: I am going to teach a mailman course lab in this moment. I will send the e-mail to ML.
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[10:54] <mhz> strusberg: may the patience be with you
[10:54] <mhz> neurogeek: and have you tested it?
[10:54] <neurogeek> mhz, Well.. we are seriously considering contributing  to Edubuntu with Cuaima
[10:55] <mhz> neurogeek: educool
[10:55] <mhz> IMHO it is a very interesting candidate
[10:55] <neurogeek> mhz, IMHO i think the debian-installer is way to old fashioned for a distro like Ubuntu
[10:56] <mhz> yes and no
[10:56] <neurogeek> mhz, no.. i haven't tried yet.. i will soon.. I've tried Ubuntu and Kubuntu though.. they are very good!
[10:56] <neurogeek> mhz, why??
[10:56] <mhz> debian-installer may be very good for olde machine
[10:57] <mhz> older machines :)
[10:57] <neurogeek> mhz, yes, i agree
[10:57] <mhz> usually, all GUI's installers I have tried, they all take toooo long to do the job
[10:57] <mhz> IMHO, we should be able to provide 2 wasy
[10:57] <mhz> ways
[10:58] <mhz> a) light installer (usually command line or similar)
[10:58] <mhz> b) gui
[10:58] <neurogeek> but ive seen too many machines that get stuck with d-i.. its a shame 
[10:58] <mhz> oh, yes
[10:58] <neurogeek> mhz, i strongly agree with you
[10:58] <mhz> heheh
[10:58] <mhz> we 2 agree on same point
[10:58] <mhz> s
[10:59] <mhz> debian-installer may not be the best
[10:59] <mhz> so we should provide a very light and fast installer
[10:59] <mhz> however, I doubt we could change d-i so far
[10:59] <mhz> but I see no problem (can't imagine which) having a second option
[10:59] <mhz> like cuaima
[11:00] <neurogeek> mhz, yes.. and we are willingly developing Cuaima to fit those needs.. 
[11:00] <mhz> neurogeek: so, you should definately talk to ogra (oliver)
[11:00] <mhz> and propose your views on the edubuntu ml
[11:01] <neurogeek> and yes.. ive been asking around ubuntu channels and odds are not to good for changing d-i any time soon
[11:01] <mhz> exactly
[11:01] <mhz> however,
[11:01] <neurogeek> mhz, I will..
[11:01] <mhz> from my humble edubuntu POV, I would suggest this idea for near future:
[11:02] <mhz> a) we have a base installation (edubuntu stuff)
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[11:02] <mhz> b) we have already prepackaged set of tools and apps.  for each subject (science, math, language, etc)
[11:03] <mhz> so teachers or institutions use what they need
[11:03] <mhz> so during install time, you can choose to add a whole set of tools
[11:04] <luis__> enyc: take pictures!
[11:04] <neurogeek> thats the way it should be.. we can easily adapt cuaima to do that
[11:04] <enyc> luis__: hmm no camera etc. error
[11:04] <luis__> doh.
[11:04] <luis__> steal one! ;)
[11:04] <enyc> lol they've only had it a week!
[11:05] <luis__> see, you have to take the pictures now, before they change their minds ;)
[11:05] <neurogeek> a question.. Edubuntu gets always installed the same way.. right?? same packages everytime?
[11:05] <enyc> and im out nearby soldering/heatshrinking a phone cable lol
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[11:17] <mhz> neurogeek: yes and no :)
[11:18] <mhz> edubuntu is ubuntu + edu app.s
[11:18] <neurogeek> :) how is that??
[11:18] <neurogeek> Ok
[11:18] <mhz> so, you can always choose diff options at install time
[11:19] <mhz> however, if you want LTSP
[11:19] <neurogeek> Ok.. but is currently like that??
[11:19] <mhz> yes, you have to press enter for default way
[11:19] <mhz> yes
[11:20] <mhz> and actually, you can install edubuntu from any U/K/X/buntu previously installed
[11:20] <mhz> just apt-get install edubuntu-server edubuntu-desktop and that's it
[11:21] <mhz> and remember to edit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf INSTEAD of /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf
[11:24] <neurogeek> Ah! ok.. 
[11:24] <neurogeek> mhz, Well.. very nice meeting you.. we'll be in touch and I will take into account all you have said.. thanks!
[11:25] <neurogeek> mhz, now.. i have to go, but we'll talk later