[01:19] <Tm_T> hmh, seems like kdevelop is quite broken
[02:43] <lexhider> Riddell: are you there?
[02:43] <Riddell> lexhider: hi
[02:43] <lexhider> can I make a small suggestion regarding kubuntu-desktop packaging
[02:45] <Riddell> lexhider: of course
[02:46] <lexhider> the suggestion is to handle kaffeine dependency like ubuntu-desktop handles totem. instead of depending on totem-gstreamer, ubuntu-desktop depends on totem which depend on "totem-gstreamer | totem-xine". This means if you remove totem-gstreamer and install totem-xine, aptitude doesn't complain about ubuntu-desktop having broken dependencies.
[02:47] <lexhider> So if I try to remove kaffeine-gstreamer and install kaffeine-xine, it breaks dependencies for kubuntu-desktop
[02:51] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/default-package-groups  should help that problem in general
[02:52] <Riddell> I think totem is packaged so that totem-gstramer and totem-xine are both complete totem packages
[02:52] <Riddell> whereas kaffeine-xine only contains the xine plugin
[02:52] <Riddell> I guess we could change that
[02:56] <Lathiat> Riddell: yeh thats correct
[02:56] <Lathiat> i think its more totem is compiled with xine
[02:56] <Lathiat> and kaffeine has plugins
[02:57] <Lathiat> kaffeine still crashes far too much tho :(
[02:58] <Lathiat> i wonder if the new amarok is any better
[02:58] <Lathiat> mine dies every few hours
[03:01] <lexhider> Riddell: oh, just realized that kaffeine-xine & kaffeine-gstreamer are installable side by side.
[03:03] <Lathiat> lexhider: right, you have to goto configure and choose the plugin
[09:56] <_Tonio_> hi
[11:22] <jpatrick> someone working on the lastest smb4k?
[11:24] <_Tonio_> jpatrick: when was the tarball released ?
[11:24] <_Tonio_> I can add it to my toonight todo list ;)
[11:24] <jpatrick> _Tonio_: I'm working on it :P
[11:26] <_Tonio_> ah okay ;)
[11:27] <_Tonio_> that's a good news, because I have so many packages to do ......
[11:27] <_Tonio_> anyway, jpatrick are you able to build packages with a dapper pbuilder ?
[11:27] <_Tonio_> none of them are working for me.....
[11:28] <jpatrick> ...
[11:31] <_Tonio_> kdelibs4-dev dependancies issue...
[11:31] <_Tonio_> never saw this ?
[11:32] <jpatrick> no
[11:32] <_Tonio_> this is a known problem, but I'd like to know if that fails on any packages or only a few....
[11:32] <_Tonio_> jpatrick: okay thanks...
[11:32] <_Tonio_> I'll test on other packages
[11:36] <jpatrick> I think I've got the debian/* files right...
[11:37] <_Tonio_> jpatrick: in the dependancies, do you use kdelibs-dev, or kdelibs4-dev ?
[11:37] <_Tonio_> I think my problem comes from here
[11:37] <_Tonio_> impossible to get kdelibs4-dev installed.....
[11:38] <jpatrick> I'm a new packager...
[11:39] <jpatrick> I have kdelibs4-dev installed
[11:39] <_Tonio_> okay
[11:39] <_Tonio_> on breezy, but on dapper ? are you using pbuilder ?
[11:39] <_Tonio_> I have no pb building on breezy ;)
[11:39] <jpatrick> Dapper
[11:39] <_Tonio_> the problem is in pbuilder only
[11:39] <_Tonio_> sounds amazing....
[11:40] <_Tonio_> here's what I get :
[11:40] <_Tonio_> jpatrick: yes but anyway, whereas you start or are a veteran, the fact is that you have installed kdelibs4-dev ;)
[11:40] <_Tonio_> I get that :
[11:40] <_Tonio_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:40] <_Tonio_>   kdelibs4-dev: Depends: libssl-dev but it is not going to be installed
[11:41] <_Tonio_> E: Broken packages
[11:41] <_Tonio_> E: Could not satisfy build-dependency.
[11:41] <jpatrick> odd
[11:41] <jpatrick> Maybe it's cos I have KDE 3.5 B2
[11:42] <_Tonio_> jpatrick: so you are not using pbuilder ?
[11:42] <jpatrick> not yet
[11:42] <_Tonio_> that's the reason :)
[11:42] <_Tonio_> anyway, because you told me you where new packager, did you use uupdate to build smb4k ?
[11:42] <jpatrick> no
[11:42] <_Tonio_> it is recommended when updating an already existing package...
[11:43] <_Tonio_> it is clean and helps you earnin time
[11:43] <jpatrick> Okay I'll look for something on it
[11:43] <_Tonio_> what you should do is simply download the actual sources with apt-get source smb4k
[11:43] <_Tonio_> download the new tarball
[11:43] <_Tonio_> and check on google the way to create the new source package using uupdate ;)
[11:45] <jpatrick>  apt-get source smb4k...
[11:47] <jpatrick> now I have a .dsc, .diff.gz and a tarball
[11:48] <jpatrick> and a folder
[11:55] <_Tonio_> yes
[11:55] <jpatrick> I found something on it
[11:55] <_Tonio_> so now place the new tarball in the same folder than the .dsc file
[11:56] <_Tonio_> .tar.gz format in case it is a .tar.bz2
[11:56] <jpatrick> uupdate: command not found
[11:56] <_Tonio_> install it ;)
[11:56] <_Tonio_> then go in the smk4k folder and launch a "uupdate -u nameofthenewtarball.tar.gz"
[11:56] <jpatrick> E: Couldn't find package uupdate
[11:56] <_Tonio_> that should do the work
[11:56] <_Tonio_> jpatrick: apt-file search uupdate
[11:57] <_Tonio_> jpatrick: sudo apt-get install devscripts
[11:57] <jpatrick> prefect
[12:02] <jpatrick> _Tonio_: I think it worked..
[12:02] <seaLne> _Tonio_: what is the difference between uupdate and zcat foo.diff|patch -p1 ?
[12:02] <jpatrick> I have a new smb4k-0.6.4 dir
[12:02] <_Tonio_> dunno, I always use uupdate ;)
[12:02] <jpatrick> yep it worked
[12:02] <_Tonio_> yes, you just have to modify the files a bit
[12:04] <jpatrick> I have to change the Maintainer name to me?
[12:04] <seaLne> _Tonio_: ah it looks like you don't have to extract the new tarball but apart from that dose exactly the same thing
[12:05] <jpatrick> PS smb4k (0.6.4-1ubuntu1) breezy; urgency=low - should that be dapper?
[12:06] <_Tonio_> seaLne: okay, maybe the uupdate script uses zcat
[12:06] <_Tonio_> it is only a script so it may use other tools
[12:06] <seaLne> ah seems to do a bit more
[12:06] <_Tonio_> i never looked, i just know that works great, and helps earning time :)
[12:07] <_Tonio_> doesn't it test the patches to see if they are still applyable, or something like like ?
[12:31] <mornfall> Riddell: ping
[12:31] <mornfall> Riddell: (i updated the feature plan on web.ekhis.org/adept.html)
[12:35] <mornfall> anyone else with comments is welcome to state them :)
[12:39] <mornfall> oh, and also, what's up with FindingPackages?
[12:39] <mornfall> it's sort of, uh-oh...
[12:41] <amu> mornfall: people complain about adapt, that i removed and replaced it it synaptic, sorry about that  
[12:42] <mornfall> hmm?
[12:43] <mornfall> i am not sure what you mean
[12:44] <amu> people complained, that this adapt isnt useable :) 
[12:44] <mornfall> which people
[12:44] <mornfall> where
[12:44] <amu> #kubuntu-de
[12:44] <amu> kubuntu forum .... 
[12:45] <jpatrick> _Tonio_: done
[12:45] <amu> my working friends 
[12:45] <_Tonio_> mornfall: may I suggest something for the next version of adept ?
[12:45] <mornfall> yes?
[12:45] <jpatrick> the main Kubuntu Forums has some good remarks about Adept
[12:45] <_Tonio_> I think that a proxy configuration wizzard would be nice
[12:46] <_Tonio_> synaptic has that function, and that can be pretty usefull
[12:47] <_Tonio_> even if not a wizzard, simply in adept's options...
[12:48] <mornfall> on software support, all i found so far is complaints about kdesu breakage
[12:49] <mornfall> _Tonio_: i'd say using kde proxy settings should do?
[12:49] <_Tonio_> hum.... didn't test
[12:49] <_Tonio_> mornfall: you mean konq proxy ?
[12:50] <mornfall> _Tonio_: it doesn't do that atm... it only picks up envvars so far
[12:50] <_Tonio_> mornfall: there is a possibility to configa proxy in apt.conf.... but maybe there is another possibility, I don't know
[12:50] <mornfall> _Tonio_: but as a feature, i'd say using konq proxy should do
[12:50] <mornfall> i'll think about it
[12:50] <_Tonio_> okay
[12:50] <mornfall> maybe you could make a bugs.kde.org entry for me so i don't forget? :)
[12:51] <_Tonio_> no problem, I'll do toonight
[12:51] <_Tonio_> also, would you like new icons for version 2.0 or are you fine with those ones ?
[12:52] <mornfall> _Tonio_: if someone makes better, why not
[12:52] <mornfall> _Tonio_: noone did so far though
[12:52] <mornfall> "adept is growing on me" -- how am i supposed to parse that?
[12:52] <_Tonio_> I did the actual ones, so maybe I try to improve them a bit
[12:53] <mornfall> ah, you mean the application icons
[12:53] <_Tonio_> the crystal effect is not perfect...
[12:53] <mornfall> yeah, why not
[12:53] <_Tonio_> mornfall: yep
[12:53] <mornfall> i was thinking action icons here :)
[12:53] <_Tonio_> ah okay ;)
[12:54] <_Tonio_> also, I'd be interessted in he french translation when the gmo file is available...
[12:54] <mornfall> yes, i18n is planned for 2.0
[12:55] <_Tonio_> will it go in launchpad or simply kde i18n for translation ?
[12:55] <mornfall> no idea, i guess kde i18n
[12:55] <mornfall> we'll see
[12:55] <_Tonio_> okay, I'll check around
[12:56] <mornfall> can someone point me at the adept remarks on kubuntu forums?
[12:56] <mornfall> i can't seem to find them
[12:58] <jpatrick> which one?
[01:00] <mornfall> [12:49:42]  < jpatrick> the main Kubuntu Forums has some good remarks about Adept
[01:01] <mornfall> url would probably help :-)
[01:01] <jpatrick> they're a whole bunch of Adept threads :)
[01:01] <mornfall> yeah, but nothing too useful
[01:01] <apokryphos> a few random thoughts on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=84126  too
[01:01] <mornfall> there are some full/safe upgrade questions -- which will be solved once the manual is done, mostly
[01:02] <mornfall> and one keep question, same solution
[01:03] <jpatrick> Adept should say what extra packages it will install...
[01:03] <apokryphos> some thoughts myself: most of my beef is with the general UI, really; I find it really problematic; but I see that's going to be worked on, which sounds really promising :). Anything else just seems to be ways in which it's lacking slightly in comparison to synaptic
[01:04] <mornfall> apokryphos: you don't like the split, right?
[01:04] <apokryphos> that's one thing, yes
[01:04] <mornfall> jpatrick: there's a huge "preview changes" button *sigh*
[01:04] <mornfall> apokryphos: and you suggest what instead?
[01:04] <mornfall> (i forgot)
[01:05] <jpatrick> mornfall: Kynaptic pops up a box
[01:05] <mornfall> popups are sort of obnoxious
[01:06] <mornfall> but well, i guess showing a preview by default and having an option to disable that will have to do
[01:06] <apokryphos> others: managed repositories embedded seems odd, I think there should be the traditional kde Settings -> Configure Adept
[01:06] <apokryphos> personally I think it looks really bad to have *all* the search options right there. And it looks messy if you minimise it a bit. The average end-user (over 95% of them) are just looking for a package keword
[01:07] <apokryphos> an advanced search should be an extra option
[01:07] <mornfall> as for 11) from the above post, that's a no-go
[01:07] <apokryphos> (note I still think there should be a simple dynamic search available)
[01:07] <mornfall> dynamic search meaning?
[01:07] <amu> mornfall: i'll collect the users feedback and forward it to you
[01:08] <mornfall> amu: thanks
[01:11] <apokryphos> minor thing: "Reset Filter" should be replaced by that button things like Konq etc. use, no?
[01:11] <apokryphos> (in Konqueror, next to "Location" URL toolbar)
[01:11] <mornfall> apokryphos: and how would that exactly mesh with checkboxes?
[01:11] <mornfall> or comboboxes
[01:12] <apokryphos> mesh? I don't think it would be a problem, would it?
[01:12] <mornfall> try to imagine how it will look... it'll be pretty hard to figure what it is supposed to do
[01:13] <apokryphos> I don't see why; seems fairly standard in kde
[01:13] <mornfall> yeah, in front of a lineedit
[01:13] <mornfall> i have never ever seen it anywhere else
[01:14] <mornfall> now think of:
[01:14] <mornfall> x> <label> <combo>   <label> <combo>
[01:14] <mornfall>    <label> <combo>   <label> <combo>
[01:14] <mornfall> what does that do?
[01:14] <mornfall> (the x> there)
[01:15] <apokryphos> it's in many other places; other one that comes to mind is khelpcenter
[01:15] <apokryphos> not a programmer, so I don't see any problem
[01:16] <apokryphos> though that could perhaps be another pro for the top/down design :P
[01:16] <mornfall> from user point of view
[01:16] <apokryphos> s/pro/con/
[01:16] <mornfall> what top/down design?
[01:16] <mornfall> top/down design is a methodology for designing systems :)
[01:16] <apokryphos> from the user point of view I see absolutely no problem with taking away "Reset Filter" and replacing with the x> and putting it to the right of the text-box
[01:16] <apokryphos> if I was making a html page, that's how I'd do it
[01:16] <mornfall> hmm, no
[01:16] <mornfall> damn :)
[01:17] <mornfall> right of the text-box?
[01:17] <apokryphos> whoops, left, I mean
[01:17] <mornfall> it sort of looks like it will remove the filter then :)
[01:17] <apokryphos> not at all; I think it's reasonably clear what removes the filter there
[01:18] <mornfall> it would confuse *me*
[01:18] <apokryphos> because (i) the title encompassesx that whole area; (ii) the whole area has light blue; (iii) dark blue showing the whole thing that the combobox would take out
[01:18] <mornfall> well, if i wouldn't know beforehand, that is :)
[01:19] <mornfall> i will think about it... but, but... i'm still unconvinced
[01:19] <mornfall> what's wrong with reset filter?
[01:19] <apokryphos> the x> should only take the size of the given text-box
[01:19] <apokryphos> so I think it would be hard to presuppose that it would collapse that whole section
[01:20] <apokryphos> it looks tacky :D. I get the same feeling when people overdo html buttons
[01:20] <apokryphos> another issue I just thought of: in Manage Repositories, why the big buttons?
[01:20] <apokryphos> goes against general other kde-ness
[01:20] <pef> hello
[01:20] <apokryphos> wow, maybe I could be the champion knight of kde. 8)
[01:21] <apokryphos> (just seems to me that most buttons in kde things tend to not span the whole of the bottom)
[01:21] <mornfall> yeah, that's true
[01:22] <mornfall> i was sort of time-constrained making that repository manager :)
[01:22] <apokryphos> mornfall: should note that with the whole x> I was referring to the "Quick Filter" only
[01:22] <mornfall> apokryphos: that would make it inconsistent!
[01:22] <apokryphos> just realised that the others have "Reset Filter" buttons, where it wouldn't be as appropriate to have the x>
[01:22] <apokryphos> Yup; is a problem
[01:22] <mornfall> that's what i was arguing about all the time
[01:23] <mornfall> bah :P
[01:23] <apokryphos> =)
[01:23] <mornfall> so now give me a solution =)
[01:23] <apokryphos> I think it's nearly as bad having three buttons doing the same thing, though
[01:23] <apokryphos> (I know this is only when they're all expanded, but nevertheless)
[01:24] <apokryphos> ok...... they don't entirely; since they apply to their respective selection
[01:25] <mornfall> ooh
[01:25] <mornfall> context menu? :-)
[01:25] <apokryphos> mornfall: how was it handled in the alpha?
[01:25] <mornfall> apokryphos: alpha was a small usability nightmare compared to beta =)
[01:26] <apokryphos> I know; just wondering how that part happened exactly; I recall it being right main, with left options
[01:26] <mornfall> apokryphos: it only had 2 filters, one was the traditional quick filter on top (no clear at all) and on left, there was a checkboxy filter with apply/reset buttons
[01:27] <mornfall> people thought apply/reset was related to actions not to the filter
[01:27] <apokryphos> if you just had a quick dynamic filter with x>, then there'd be no need for an apply and the reset button, methinks
[01:28] <apokryphos> (in which case you'd have extended search options from a menu)
[01:28] <apokryphos> kind of thinking amaroK-style
[01:29] <apokryphos> (just an example of the usage, that is)
[01:30] <mornfall> that wouldn't fly
[01:31] <mornfall> i am still thinking about a palette of filters on left-hand side
[01:32] <apokryphos> why wouldn't it fly?
[01:32] <mornfall> because using filters from menu would be awkward enough to make them useless
[01:34] <mornfall> i guess it could work with only quick filter being active by default... but... many people aren't going to find those other 2 default filters then
[01:34] <mornfall> you -need- a list of active filters anyway
[01:34] <mornfall> because otherwise you can't AND filters in any sane manner
[01:34] <apokryphos> yeah, I agree that some main filters shouldn't be in the menu; just thought of extra search options being in menus
[01:35] <mornfall> and without filter-and, the whole concept of filtering the package set down to what you look for is sort of useless
[01:35] <apokryphos> but awkward, since they of course overlap
[01:35] <mornfall> say you look for a new package... you can check only not installed packages right away
[01:36] <apokryphos> yup
[01:36] <mornfall> and then probably using the easy tag filter to cut it down to what you look for
[01:36] <mornfall> possibly using quick filter if you have some useful keyword
[01:36] <apokryphos> not saying it's necessarily a good idea, but have you given tree-view of packages a thought?
[01:36] <mornfall> so one of the most common use-cases involve all 3 of the filters already in an quite useful configuration
[01:36] <apokryphos> kpackage uses this to some extent
[01:37] <mornfall> yes, and i am not doing it
[01:37] <apokryphos> usability for a package-manager is certainly not easy =)
[01:38] <mornfall> the main problem with treeview is, that with few weeks of tweaking the tree, you can get some 1000 items into it, and hope that some reasonable number of users will find something in it
[01:39] <mornfall> and debian has 15x more packages than that anyway
[01:39] <mornfall> (and 1000 is quite pushing it anyway)
[01:39] <mornfall> kubuntu with universe is probably in the same league
[01:40] <mornfall> so, the bottom line: trees don't scale
[01:40] <apokryphos> right, I see
[01:40] <mornfall> see the usability problems with kcontrol and it's *tiny* tree
[01:40] <mornfall> now multiply that 300 times
[01:41] <apokryphos> 8)
[01:42] <mornfall> making the filters go faster would be useful though
[01:42] <mornfall> they are dog-slow right now
[01:42] <apokryphos> which ones? Played with it for a bit and they seemed generally ok
[01:42] <apokryphos> but my system is pretty pacey
[01:43] <mornfall> well, on a slower system with debian repo (15k packages), it gets laggy
[01:43] <mornfall> for my taste, at least
[01:43] <apokryphos> nice to have adept-updater to point people to -- a lot of x-ubuntugnome users seem to love it. Just needs that tray icon :P
[01:44] <mornfall> on todo
[01:44] <apokryphos> 17k here and it happens almost instantly; again, haven't tried on a lower-end system
[01:44] <apokryphos> yup, I saw
[01:44] <mornfall> what's your setup like?
[01:44] <apokryphos> amd64 3400+
[01:44] <mornfall> it is pretty fast on a 3GHz P4, i observed :)
[01:44] <mornfall> ah, yeah
[01:45] <mornfall> on 1.1GHz celeron, it's not so good, and i'd guess 500MHz machine will suffer quite a bit more
[01:45] <apokryphos> indeed
[01:45] <mornfall> but this is something i nearly don't hear complaints about :)
[01:45] <mornfall> which is interesting
[01:45] <mornfall> maybe everyone is either patient or running a high-end box
[01:46] <apokryphos> some people are used to typing something, hitting search, then waiting
[01:46] <apokryphos> so the thought of a dynamic search is still better 8)
[01:50] <mornfall> i need to get some food
[01:51] <apokryphos> enjoy
[01:52] <mornfall> hmm, sux, no bread
[01:52] <mornfall> i'm of course too lazy to go buy some :P
[01:52] <apokryphos> I tend to starve myself from laziness at times too :/
[01:53] <apokryphos> fortunately there's a 24-hour tesco just down the road; great for when the munchies come laaate
[01:55] <mornfall> i even have cheese
[01:55] <mornfall> just no bread
[01:55] <mornfall> bleh :P
[02:13] <mornfall> fried egg with cheese and vinegar'd gherkins was good =)
[02:49] <apokryphos> Riddell: admin mode bug fixed.. I almost don't believe it :P. Was the worst gremlin ever 8)
[02:49] <Lathiat> apokryphos: haha, what was it?
[02:49] <Lathiat> and then really needs to go into updates ;)
[02:49] <apokryphos> Lathiat: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8681
[02:50] <Lathiat> apokryphos: also the system settings window sucks if your DPI goes up
[02:50] <Lathiat> allow me to send you a SS
[02:50] <apokryphos> systemsettings has a few lil' things like that, yeah
[02:52] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/ss.png
[02:52] <apokryphos> Lathiat: it just cuts off like that?
[02:52] <apokryphos> Noticed that happened a few times (but not as extreme as that) when Composite was enabled
[02:52] <apokryphos> expanding the window would display things properly, but still -- dodgy.
[02:53] <Lathiat> cutting off?
[02:53] <Lathiat> just the icon font stuff gets messed up
[02:53] <Lathiat> i didnt notice it was being cut off
[02:53] <Lathiat> theres more stuff?
[02:54] <apokryphos> yeah
[02:54] <apokryphos> oh, icons, ok, I see
[02:54] <Lathiat> also i think i filed a bug
[02:54] <Lathiat> i cant remember
[02:54] <Lathiat> when you exit some components
[02:54] <Lathiat> they are reloaded in the background
[02:54] <Lathiat> you notice on ones that popup a dialog, like the network one
[02:54] <Lathiat> and you can't re-enter them
[02:54] <Lathiat> happens if you have un-saved changes, and the dialog pops up
[02:54] <Lathiat> and you hit apply
[02:55] <apokryphos> worth reporting if you didn't already, yeah
[03:17] <Riddell> I just confirmation from someone in KDE that it's sane before I put admin mode fix into updates
[03:22] <jpatrick> Riddell: I have the lastest smb4k packaged for Breezy/Dapper.
[03:23] <Riddell> jpatrick: excellent
[03:24] <Riddell> jpatrick: do you have an account on revu?
[03:24] <jpatrick> Just need somewhere to put the files
[03:24] <jpatrick> Riddell: no
[03:24] <Riddell> jpatrick: /join #ubuntu-motu and poke siretat
[03:25] <jpatrick> Riddell: I need my key signed
[03:25] <jpatrick> Know anyone that lives near Girona, Spain?
[03:28] <jpatrick> that's what the REVU page says on the wiki
[03:28] <_Tonio_> Riddell: I think the key signed isn't required to upload (I can upload and my key isn't signed)
[03:28] <_Tonio_> but it is required that the key is exported to a public keyserver
[03:28] <jpatrick> _Tonio_: My key's on the Ubuntu keysever
[03:29] <_Tonio_> so you have to send an email to siretart giving him the key id, and ideally the server where it is stored
[03:29] <_Tonio_> then it might wok
[03:29] <_Tonio_> when you will want to become a motu, then only the key signing wil be a requirement
[03:30] <jpatrick> 'gpg --keysever keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys F4944AEE'
[03:30] <Riddell> jpatrick: if you're up for packaging moodinis needing done
[03:30] <jpatrick> the moodin engine?
[03:30] <Riddell> yes
[03:31] <jpatrick> Riddell: links on kde-look are broken
[03:31] <_Tonio_> Riddell: I didn't upload yesterday because the libssl-dev isn't resolved...
[03:31] <_Tonio_> Riddell: I will prompt you when the uploads will be done, in case you might want to revu some of the packages
[03:31] <jpatrick> what should I say to siretat?
[03:32] <Riddell> jpatrick: say please give mean account 
[03:32] <Tm_T> mean account :o
[03:32] <Riddell> me an 
[03:32] <Tm_T> ;)
[03:32] <Riddell> it's lagy here today, too many geeks using this bandwidth 
[03:33] <Tm_T> heh
[03:34] <jpatrick> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=25705 :- those links are so dead
[03:35] <jpatrick> Or is it my net?
[03:36] <Tm_T> it's me
[03:36] <jpatrick> someone doing the new kdissert?
[03:38] <Riddell> jpatrick: don't think so, checkd ebian and revu
[03:39] <jpatrick> and it got app of the month
[03:39] <Riddell> I know, I run app of the month :)
[03:40] <Riddell> I'm a genius http://kubuntu.org/~jr/tmp/ksplash-engine-moodin_0.4.2.tar.gz
[03:41] <jpatrick> woohoo
[03:44] <jpatrick> now
[03:45] <jpatrick> how does revu work..
[03:46] <Riddell> jpatrick: https://nm.debian.org/gpg_offer.php
[03:47] <jpatrick> people there a miles from me
[04:15] <jpatrick> Riddell: package made
[04:16] <jpatrick> brb
[04:23] <jpat|away> Riddell: so how do I upload?
[04:23] <Riddell> jpat|away: do you have an account on revu?
[04:24] <jpat|away> Riddell: I think
[04:24] <jpat|away> I got accepted
[04:24] <Riddell> debuild -S -sa   and make sure it's signed with the key on revu
[04:24] <Riddell> apt-get install dput
[04:24] <Riddell> dput revu  foo.changes
[04:24] <Riddell> you probably need to add revu to /etc/dput.conf
[04:25] <Riddell> see REVU on wiki
[04:26] <jpat|away> okay
[04:32] <jpat|away> added the things
[04:33] <jpat|away> not sure how to move the *.debs etc
[04:33] <Riddell> don't
[04:33] <Riddell> source uploads only are best
[04:34] <jpat|away> everything but the .deb?
[04:34] <Riddell> yes
[04:34] <Riddell> debuild -S -sa will put the right stuff in the .chnges file
[04:37] <jpat|away> I already have the .changes files
[04:40] <Riddell> jpat|away: and have you uploaded?
[04:41] <jpat|away> Riddell: it's uploading
[04:41] <jpat|away> oh dear: Uploading via ftp ksplash-engine-moodin_0.4.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[04:42] <jpat|away> Riddell: Successfully uploaded packages.
[04:42] <Riddell> ah well, no problem
[04:42] <jpat|away> that was moodin
[04:42] <jpat|away> now for smb4k
[04:42] <jpat|away> :D
[04:43] <jpat|away> ...uploading...
[04:43] <jpat|away> done.
[04:58] <Riddell> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=842  rocking
[04:59] <jpat|away> :)
[04:59] <jpat|away> where's the other one..
[05:01] <jpatrick> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=843
[05:01] <jpatrick> 'Already in debian/unstable... sync requested'
[05:02] <jpatrick> ah well
[05:24] <\sh> Riddell: ping
[05:43] <mornfall> Riddell times out today
[05:45] <Riddell> mornfall: hmm?
[05:45] <mornfall> oh
[05:45] <mornfall> Riddell: i was pinging you about the feature plan today :)
[05:46] <mornfall> and i seem to be unable to catch mvo online
[05:51] <Riddell> hmm, I don't see mvo about
[05:55] <mornfall> btw, mvo will be pleased to know that we are nearing a working and useful pyhton binding for libapt-front
[07:28] <Tm_T> err, some thing is bothering me in katapult
[07:28] <Tm_T> I can't choose between app and similar named dir?
[07:38] <_Tonio_> Tm_T: I had the same question
[07:38] <Tm_T> annoying
[07:38] <_Tonio_> impossible to launch firefox for example, you are prompted for firefox central if you don't clean the bookmarks.....
[07:38] <_Tonio_> yep
[07:38] <_Tonio_> totally agree
[07:38] <Riddell> mornfall: where is the adept stuff you were tlaking about?
[07:39] <mornfall> Riddell: web.ekhis.org/adept.html
[07:39] <_Tonio_> you should be able to change betwwen different possibilities with tab for example
[07:39] <mornfall> Riddell: the updated feature list
[07:39] <mornfall> Riddell: was soliciting comments around
[07:39] <Tm_T> _Tonio_: or something
[07:39] <mornfall> Riddell: if you have some idea, i want to hear it =)
[07:39] <_Tonio_> Tm_T: or something of course ;)
[07:39] <Tm_T> _Tonio_: and priority would be lovely
[07:39] <Riddell> "Adept 2.0 Feature Plan"?
[07:39] <mornfall> yes
[07:40] <mornfall> that'd be it
[07:40] <_Tonio_> Tm_T: for example binaries prior to bookmarks ? yes, that's a nice idea :)
[07:41] <Riddell> mornfall: there's no recent changes to that right?
[07:42] <_Tonio_> mornfall: I posted a wich conerning the possibility to export and import the system state, like synaptic does...
[07:42] <_Tonio_> mornfall: is that in your plans actually ?
[07:42] <mornfall> Riddell: there are, i changed that yesterday
[07:43] <Riddell> mornfall: got a diff? :)
[07:44] <Riddell> "some sort of version/release policy (pinning)" aah, we were just talking about that
[07:56] <mornfall> Riddell: no diffs sorry, but roughly added: single deb install, ... oh wait, you have a previous snapshot of that list on wiki.ubuntu.com?
[07:57] <mornfall> Riddell: added: simplified installation interface ala gnome-app-install, individual .deb installation (wizard?), bumped konsole hiding before advanced problem resolution algorithm
[07:57] <mornfall> that could be it
[07:59] <mornfall> yes, seems like it
[08:29] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackageManager2
[08:37] <Mez> Roadmapping... across the universe ... (and main)
[09:13] <pef> someone is using kcheckgmail ?