[12:05] <Delvien> join #ubuntu
[12:05] <kairu0> Akregator is awesome
[12:06] <propagandhi> !server
[12:06] <ubotu> Ubuntu 5.10 Server is out! http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-October/000042.html
[12:06] <flixor> hya everybody 
[12:07] <kairu0> hi flixor 
[12:07] <flixor> is it possible when i type rm blah.txt or rm this.txt that instead of removing them it will move them to my trash 
[12:07] <flixor> hy kairu0 
[12:08] <kairu0> konqueror is significantly slower than any other browser on my machine. any idea why?
[12:08] <swp> aye Blues-Drive 
[12:08] <crimsun> flixor: yes, there's libtrash, but beware you're on your own
[12:08] <Blues-Drive> :)
[12:08] <poimen> lol!
[12:08] <bobbyd> kairu0, I saw that under warty
[12:08] <Blues-Drive> Well I can acess my A: drive at least now with the boot disk.
[12:09] <Blues-Drive> Turns out you actually need to plug in your IDE cables these days. ;P Silly mistake.
[12:09] <kairu0> bobbyd, ..but its not slow on your machine?
[12:09] <swp> is there a kubuntu bootdisk??
[12:09] <swp> hehe :)
[12:10] <Blues-Drive> Well, the boot disk is in my CD drive, and it cant find a boot record from it so.. I dunno
[12:10] <flixor> hya crimsun i was thinking of maken an alias for me as user 
[12:10] <bobbyd> kairu0, nope
[12:10] <flixor> is that possible flixor 
[12:10] <Blues-Drive> I have a windows boot disk in now that I'm gonna fdisk with
[12:10] <bobbyd> kairu0, when it did happen to me, it looked like a dns resolution problem
[12:10] <kairu0> bobbyd, i think thats my problem too
[12:12] <swp> you can manage your partitions in the kubuntuinstallation
[12:12] <Blues-Drive> I cant access the CD drive at all, it says Invalid Drive Specification
[12:12] <kairu0> how stable is kde 3.5 beta 2?
[12:13] <swp> who says this Blues-Drive ?
[12:14] <Blues-Drive> When I try to change directories to the CD drive
[12:15] <swp> possibly the bootdisk didnt mount it in the locateion you expect it
[12:15] <LeeJunFan> kairu0: seemed stable enough for the most part but had enough issues that I switched back to stable.
[12:15] <kairu0> LeeJunFan, thnkx
[12:15] <LeeJunFan> kairu0: if you don't mind not having arts... for one.
[12:16] <kairu0> LeeJunFan, can you use alsa instead?
[12:16] <LeeJunFan> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems
[12:16] <icewt> is there some kde-gui for some ftp server? i'm just looking for some ftp server that would be as simple and small as possible, and turning it on/off easily would be nice
[12:16] <LeeJunFan> yeah, but alsa doesn't support more than one audio stream.
[12:17] <Tm_T> icewt: better choice: ssh
[12:17] <swp> gtg Blues-Drive 
[12:18] <LeeJunFan> icewt: vsftpd - /etc/init.d/vsftpd stop/start is simple enough to turn on and off.
[12:18] <Blues-Drive> Okay
[12:18] <icewt> Tm_T: not really. i'm not going to connect to the server myself
[12:19] <Tm_T> never liked ftp
[12:19] <icewt> LeeJunFan: hm.. maybe. some kind of gui would have been nice though.
[12:19] <Tm_T> never will have it in my pc
[12:19] <poimen> LeeJunFan you are telling that in the new kde you can hear to audios of 2 diferent programs at the same time ??
[12:19] <LeeJunFan> vsftpd is pretty easy to configure and chroot so people can't get all over your drive too.
[12:19] <kairu0> poimen, you could get around that by using alsa's dmix plugin
[12:19] <Tm_T> icewt: how about kicker applet?
[12:20] <icewt> Tm_T: the public file server thing?
[12:20] <kairu0> poimen, and all this only applies if you use alsa instead of arts
[12:20] <Tm_T> icewt: yes
[12:20] <poimen> kairu0 how? I had this problem live for forever I can not hear skype and a game at the same time
[12:20] <icewt> Tm_T: actually, it would be enough if i could set password on it
[12:20] <LeeJunFan> poimen: you have been able to for a long time with arts, I hear my IM sounds while listening to mp3's, or flash movies, etc...
[12:20] <Tm_T> icewt: err, if you need password, then ssh should be best solution
[12:21] <poimen> I just have to go to the kde sound system and change to alsa and install the alsa's dmix plugin??
[12:21] <Tm_T> icewt: can't see why it's not a good choice
[12:21] <LeeJunFan> poimen: some apps are not smart enough to use arts, for those you may have to start them with artsdsp [application]  which should force them to use arts instead of /dev/dsp
[12:21] <poimen> LeeJunFan I beet you was using kde programs skype and ut2004 are not kde based progs
[12:21] <humbolt> I want to install kubuntu on a friends computer but one thing concerns me: In the old linux days you had to mount the floppy in order to write to it and if you did not unmount it befor taking it out you could loose data. How does that work in breezy? I do not know, since I don't have floppies anymore.
[12:21] <poimen> ohhhhh I see
[12:22] <icewt> Tm_T: i don't think so, because i would be using it to give some files to different people now and then
[12:22] <poimen> LeeJunFan I will try it right now :D
[12:22] <LeeJunFan> poimen: even that's not perfect. I still can't get sound in vmware with artsdsp, but it worked with esd's wrapper a long time ago when I tried it.
[12:22] <LeeJunFan> Once upon a time when I used gnome...
[12:22] <Tm_T> icewt: so? just like password in ftp ...
[12:23] <Tm_T> icewt: just do one foo user
[12:25] <icewt> Tm_T: there's also the problem that i'm - at the same time - looking something that would work for my sister. she's used to FileZilla FTP Server on windows, so i don't think she'd like to use ssh
[12:25] <kairu0> humbolt, i dont have floppies either but my intuition tells me that its probably like the old days
[12:25] <humbolt> Is this just the same as with usb-sticks or are mtools used somehow?
[12:25] <humbolt> or can I just take the floppy out since it is mounted with sync anyway (while I do not really know if this really means, what I think it does).
[12:25] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> hi, where i can set the setting for klaptop profiles? like .. i want performance not to use ALL the cpu but only 80% (no Fan enabled).. do you know this?
[12:25] <LeeJunFan> icewt: I use vsftp on my laptop because sometimes when I do remote work on other peoples networks and want to get files to their workstations FTP makes it really easy.
[12:26] <LeeJunFan> icewt: I allow anon access and have /home/ftp/pub writeable by my user, so I can copy files to that dir and other can dl from there.
[12:26] <icewt> Tm_T: the public file server applet would be almost perfect if it only allowed settings password(s)
[12:26] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> hi, where i can set the setting for klaptop profiles? like .. i want profile "performance" not to use ALL the cpu but only 80% (no Fan enabled).. do you know which file i have to change?
[12:26] <kairu0> humbolt, usb sticks are intelligently handled now
[12:26] <Tm_T> icewt: well, you can use filezilla with ssh
[12:26] <Tm_T> icewt: you and she ;)
[12:26] <humbolt> I know about usb-sticks but what about the floppies?
[12:27] <icewt> LeeJunFan: hmm..
[12:27] <Tm_T> icewt: sftp(ssh2) is the key then
[12:27] <LeeJunFan> Tallia1-KubuntuB: "performance" is for performance - if it were only allow 80% of your CPU that wouldn't be much performance. :)
[12:27] <flixor> ladies and gents 
[12:27] <flixor> i need to go to bed 
[12:27] <flixor> have all a nice evening 
[12:27] <humbolt> ladies?
[12:28] <icewt> Tm_T: i meant something that she could run on her copy of kubuntu (when she finally gets it installed) ;)
[12:28] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> LeeJunFan: i want performance with NO fan
[12:28] <flixor> and happy kubuntu
[12:28] <flixor> you never know humbolt 
[12:28] <humbolt> never ever seen one anywhere near oss
[12:28] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> userspace, conservative and the other profile bring my pc to very low cpu speed
[12:28] <kairu0> humbolt, i have two computers and neither of them have floppy drives
[12:28] <Tm_T> icewt: konqueror then
[12:28] <LeeJunFan> Tallia1-KubuntuB: not really any way I know of to set that, if you use ondemand it will only turn up your CPU as needed.
[12:28] <Tm_T> icewt: konqueror is very good sftp client too ;)
[12:28] <joseph> Hello. I'm back. xD
[12:28] <joseph> Well.
[12:28] <joseph> I'm trying to install Taskbar V2
[12:28] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> mhh
[12:28] <LeeJunFan> Tallia1-KubuntuB: userspace should do the same, your CPU will speed up if it needs to.
[12:28] <Tm_T> icewt: or gftp if you like that kind of prog
[12:28] <kairu0> kmymoney is the bomb!
[12:28] <icewt> Tm_T: erhm.. i guess i have to be more specific. she should be able to run the server :)
[12:29] <icewt> Tm_T: for her own uses
[12:29] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> i am quite always not on battery
[12:29] <joseph> BUT, when I try to configrue it, it says: CONFIGURE: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[12:29] <Tm_T> icewt: aah
[12:29] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> and i want something that don't use the fan
[12:29] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> and has the maximum amount of cpu used
[12:29] <kairu0> joseph, you probably need libstdc++-dev
[12:29] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> to keep the system faster
[12:29] <Tm_T> icewt: hmm, so tel lher how to use ssh then
[12:29] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> LeeJunFan: can you tell me how to set that?
[12:29] <LeeJunFan> Tallia1-KubuntuB: same here, I am almost always plugged in, I use ondemand, most of the time my cpu runs at 800mhz, but when needed it turns up all the way.
[12:29] <Tm_T> icewt: it's matter of security
[12:30] <LeeJunFan> Tallia1-KubuntuB: like when I'm compiling a kernel.
[12:30] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> i want a system that is always at 1400
[12:30] <joseph> kairu0, its installed.
[12:30] <joseph> Dev is anyways.
[12:30] <LeeJunFan> Do you have the little kdelaptop batt ap on your taskbar?
[12:30] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> yes
[12:30] <icewt> Tm_T: that would mean that all her friends should get / learn to use some ssh-client then. i don't see it happening ;)
[12:31] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> a plug by noe
[12:31] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> now
[12:31] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> now*
[12:31] <LeeJunFan> should be able to right click and choose performance profile.
[12:31] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> yes..
[12:31] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> but i tried all
[12:31] <LeeJunFan> isn't ondemand there?
[12:31] <flixor> btw is it possible to let kmail show my mail in a threaded way 
[12:31] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> and everything but performance
[12:31] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> bring the pc to low percentage of cpu
[12:31] <Tm_T> icewt: ssh or (s)ftp client, haven't seen any ftp client without ssh functionality
[12:31] <joseph> I'm SO new to Linux. :(
[12:31] <flixor> for example i joined the kubuntu mailing list 
[12:31] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> cmon is not a difficult question!!
[12:31] <LeeJunFan> Tallia1-KubuntuB: that's the way they are supposed to work, but when your CPU has something to do it will speed up.
[12:32] <joseph> OK.
[12:32] <joseph> Can anyone help me?
[12:32] <joseph> The other guy doesn't seem to be responding. :(
[12:32] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> LeeJunFan: i want TO CHANGE that settings.
[12:32] <Strike4ce> !wifi
[12:32] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> LeeJunFan: i want a profile that is always at 1400 
[12:32] <ubotu> wifi is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[12:33] <kairu0> joseph, do you have gcc-dev?
[12:33] <Joseph> IDK, let me check.
[12:33] <LeeJunFan> Tallia1-KubuntuB: well then your fan is going to run, or your CPU will melt!
[12:33] <Riddell> Joseph: install build-essential
[12:33] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> at 1400 my fan doesn't start
[12:33] <Riddell> apt-get build-dep kdelibs  is probably a good way
[12:33] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> please 
[12:33] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> can you tell me only where to change the klaptop settings
[12:33] <Joseph> ?
[12:33] <Blues-Drive> Blah, still cant figure out how to install this bugger, can someone help me?
[12:33] <Joseph> Riddel, I don't have gcc-dev
[12:34] <LeeJunFan> Tallia1-KubuntuB: it doesn't have that kind of control.
[12:34] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> klaptop hidden* settings
[12:34] <Joseph> And it isn't showing up in Adept, whats the name for it so I can get it in apt-get
[12:34] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> i know
[12:34] <LeeJunFan> Tallia1-KubuntuB: kcontrol
[12:34] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> that's why asked here?
[12:34] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> no
[12:34] <LeeJunFan> Tallia1-KubuntuB: hidden settings are in /proc
[12:34] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> kcontrol give the same interface
[12:34] <Riddell> Joseph: build-essential brings in all the computer stuff
[12:34] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> ?
[12:34] <Joseph> I treid that.
[12:34] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> those are to change directly
[12:34] <Riddell> Joseph: kdebase-dev too
[12:34] <Joseph> It said: Install: too few arguements
[12:34] <kairu0> Joseph, close your konsole session and open a fresh one
[12:34] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> where klaptop read the informations of his profiles
[12:34] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> ?
[12:34] <Riddell> Joseph: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:34] <Riddell> Joseph: sudo apt-get install kdebase-dev
[12:34] <Riddell> or just use adept
[12:35] <LeeJunFan> cd devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/
[12:35] <icewt> Tm_T: well, maybe it would work for them. however, gui is the most important thing here.
[12:35] <LeeJunFan> err - /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq
[12:36] <icewt> Tm_T: if only the public file server applet was private file server ;)
[12:37] <Joseph> Thanks Riddel.
[12:37] <Joseph> :)
[12:37] <Joseph> I got it working. ;)
[12:37] <kairu0> is it possible to import partially-finished azureus torrents from another partition? (i got to 70% of one in ubuntu and i want to finish it in kubuntu)
[12:38] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> mhh
[12:38] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> LeeJunFan: there's a problem
[12:38] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> here i can find only names 
[12:38] <LeeJunFan> Tallia1-KubuntuB: the way it the governors work is all in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq, depending on what gov you are running there will be a dir with specific settings for that gov, the default threshold for ondemand is that at 80% cpu use it will turn up your CPU to the next threshold.
[12:38] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> and possible steps..
[12:39] <poimen> someone here running dvdshink from wine ?
[12:39] <poimen> someone here running dvd shrink** from wine ?
[12:39] <Tm_T> icewt: yu, I don't spread files that much and when I have to, I have server and sshfs ;)
[12:40] <Blues-Drive> Er.. I'm having install problems, can someone lead me through it?
[12:40] <icewt> Tm_T: :)
[12:40] <LeeJunFan> Tallia1-KubuntuB: cat scaling_available_frequencies will give you the available freqs you can support, echo -e [one of those freq's]  > scaling_min_freq will make your CPU use that freq as the lowest setting.
[12:41] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> and how to change scaling of performance setting?
[12:41] <LeeJunFan> Tallia1-KubuntuB: not sure what you mean
[12:41] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> I want to create another setting
[12:42] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> where i can change cpufreq to the freq i desire
[12:42] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> like a new one named cpu1400 
[12:42] <iceman> Where besides KDE-Look can you fine kde colors, themes, ect ? 
[12:42] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> that is like performance but use only 1400 MHz
[12:43] <LeeJunFan> so it won't go above 1400?
[12:43] <LeeJunFan> you want to lock it at 1400?
[12:43] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> yes
[12:43] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> yes
[12:43] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> but only in that profile
[12:43] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> not in general
[12:43] <LeeJunFan> then set your scaling_max_freq, and scaling_min_freq to the same setting.
[12:43] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> .....
[12:43] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> only in a particular profile
[12:43] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> not FOR all
[12:43] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> as far i have seen those settings are for all the system
[12:43] <LeeJunFan> doesn't seem to be a possibility.
[12:43] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> and common to all profiles
[12:43] <LeeJunFan> they are.
[12:44] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> how to create a new profile
[12:44] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> and a new configuration for a profile?
[12:44] <LeeJunFan> hack the kernel :D
[12:44] <iceman> Anyone know other site for KDE color schees, and icons ... 
[12:44] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> :P
[12:44] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> i never even compiled the kernel :P
[12:45] <LeeJunFan> each of those profiles are compiled into the kernel, or are at least modules.
[12:45] <LeeJunFan> There isn't a way to make your own w/o writing new functions.
[12:47] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> ok
[12:47] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> i see
[12:48] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> but i can create  a little script that changes the range as you suggested before
[12:48] <LeeJunFan> Tallia1-KubuntuB: yes you can.
[12:49] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> LeeJunFan: i can change those file without problems?
[12:49] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> can I*
[12:49] <LeeJunFan> as long as the script/or commands are run as root.
[12:49] <`Nomad> Is anyone familiar with the URL http://dinton.no-ip.org?  I had it in my sources and I forget why.. It seems to have disappeared now
[12:50] <LeeJunFan> Tallia1-KubuntuB: as you can see if you ls -l which of those files are writeable, and the fact they are only writeable to root.
[12:50] <dell500> anyone know what this means? "sudo: timestamp too far in the future: ..."
[12:51] <LeeJunFan> dell500: just a guess - the date of your /etc/sudoers file is wrong?
[12:51] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> perfect!!
[12:51] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> my system is in performance 
[12:51] <dell500> no idea, i just synced the clock for day light savings time
[12:51] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> and now runs only at 1400!!
[12:51] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> and NO FAN!! :)
[12:51] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> this makes me very happy
[12:51] <Blues-Drive> Someone helping me would make me happy :(
[12:52] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> LeeJunFan: thx! tell me a thing.. which is module that wrote those files in the beginning?
[12:52] <LeeJunFan> Tallia1-KubuntuB: I run my own compiled kernel, so I can only guess they are modules with ubuntu kernel. just a sec.
[12:53] <dell500> damnit, i can't use sudo, and just plain gedit won't work either
[12:53] <`Nomad> Blues: What's your problem?
[12:53] <LeeJunFan> root@jkd:/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/kernel/drivers/cpufreq# ls
[12:53] <LeeJunFan> cpufreq_conservative.ko  cpufreq_powersave.ko  cpufreq_userspace.ko
[12:53] <LeeJunFan> cpufreq_ondemand.ko      cpufreq_stats.ko      freq_table.ko
[12:53] <_liquidbinary_> hi
[12:53] <`Nomad> hi
[12:53] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> cpufreqd?
[12:53] <_liquidbinary_> How do I get kubuntu to read .xinitrc?
[12:54] <LeeJunFan> dell500: did you edit your sudoers file or install within an hour of updating your time?
[12:54] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> LeeJunFan: cpufreqd?
[12:54] <LeeJunFan> Tallia1-KubuntuB: ah - you mean what caused them to load in the first place?
[12:54] <dell500> LeeJunFan, um... not really, i installed easytag and then i synced my clock, now it won't let me do anything in sudo
[12:55] <`Nomad> liquidbinary:  I'll bite, how DO you get KDE to read .xinitrc?
[12:55] <LeeJunFan> dell500: did you check the time of your /etc/sudoers files?
[12:55] <_liquidbinary_> `Nomad: Yes, can you help?
[12:55] <`Nomad> just kidding :)  And no idea about your problem, sorry. :(
[12:55] <`Nomad> liquid: what exactly is going wrong?
[12:56] <dell500> LeeJunFan, what's the attributes for ls to get the time and stuff
[12:56] <LeeJunFan> _liquidbinary_: why do you need it to? maybe there's another way.
[12:56] <LeeJunFan> dell500: ls -l /etc/sudoers
[12:56] <Blues-Drive> Lets try this again.. I'm having issues installing Kubuntu 5.10.. As in.. I cant get it to install at all..  Need help :(
[12:56] <_liquidbinary_> `Nomad: I have 'xmodmap .Xmodmap' in my ~/.xinitrc file, but when I boot up and log into x, it seems it is not read
[12:56] <dell500> 20:07 sudoers
[12:56] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: how far do you get?
[12:57] <dell500> that says 8:07, and it's only 5:57
[12:57] <Blues-Drive> I get about as far as Searching for Boot Record from CDROM..Not Found
[12:57] <_liquidbinary_> I'm trying to make the transition from slackware to ubuntu
[12:57] <dell500> my clock said an hour faster than that before i updated, then sudo stopped
[12:57] <`Nomad> Blues: Any error messages where it fails?
[12:57] <LeeJunFan> dell500: well that's your problem, good guess on my part :)
[12:58] <dell500> LeeJunFan, says it was edited like 12 days ago
[12:58] <Blues-Drive> Well.. Afterwards it goes "Remove disks or other media. Press any key to restart."
[12:58] <Blues-Drive> And the install disk is the only thing i have in.
[12:58] <LeeJunFan> dell500: so the sudoers file has a future date/time on it then right?
[12:58] <_liquidbinary_> Perhaps it should go into .kderc?
[12:58] <dell500> 2005-10-19 20:07 /etc/sudoers
[12:59] <`Nomad> liquidbinary: permission on the file are ok?  No syntax error in that line you put in?  Delete the line and retype maybe, in case there,d be a hidden character?
[12:59] <dell500> LeeJunFan, today's date is 2005-10-30
[12:59] <dell500> LeeJunFan, i do this
[12:59] <dell500> dell500@pyschonaut:/etc$ sudo easytag
[12:59] <dell500> sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Oct 30 18:53:28 2005
[12:59] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: and when you restart as it tells you do - what happens?
[12:59] <Blues-Drive> Same thing.
[12:59] <`Nomad> Liquid:  You might have edited your reg. user file as root?
[01:00] <Blues-Drive> Just repeats the search, doesnt find it, and asks to restart.
[01:00] <Blues-Drive> This is all in the command prompt, by the way.
[01:00] <Blues-Drive> My hard drive on it is formatted.
[01:00] <_liquidbinary_> `Nomad: I don't think .xinitrc is supposed to be a script and the permissions seem ok
[01:00] <_liquidbinary_> Let me try .kderc, I dunno
[01:00] <_liquidbinary_> `Nomad: Thanks
[01:00] <`Nomad> liquid: that,s all I can think of, I hope someone here  can help you better :)
[01:01] <_liquidbinary_> `Nomad: no problem
[01:01] <dell500> LeeJunFan, would rebooting work?
[01:01] <joseph> Can anyone tell me how to get Taskbar V2 working?
[01:01] <joseph> I disabled the original taskbar
[01:01] <joseph> and enabled taskbar v2
[01:01] <kairu0> josephi: what is taskbar v2?
[01:01] <joseph> But it doesn't look any different.
[01:01] <kairu0> joseph:
[01:02] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: what kind of CD-ROM drive do you have? is it external USB or anything like that?
[01:02] <joseph> http://www.uni-weimar.de/~wolff3/
[01:02] <Blues-Drive> Its an internal.. I have two.. a DVD reader and CD burner/reader
[01:02] <LeeJunFan> dell500: I doubt it because it'll still boot up with same date/time. you could change the date forward in your bios.
[01:02] <Blues-Drive> Ive tried both.. its a CD install disk
[01:02] <dell500> man, this is stupid lol
[01:04] <LeeJunFan> dell500: yeah, hehe... after you boot with future date touch -d "Oct 20 2005 05:00:00" /etc/sudoers - to set the ctime date on that to something in the past
[01:04] <LeeJunFan> dell500: then reboot and set your time right again.
[01:04] <LeeJunFan> dell500:  or just wait a few hours until the time on your sudoers files passes. :)
[01:04] <Blues-Drive> I was thinking, since it cant find the boot record on the CD, but it can find one on a Ms-dos boot floppy I made.. Is there a way I can make a Kubuntu boot disk to install the CD?
[01:05] <joseph> Wow, blues, your still here?
[01:05] <joseph> Wow.
[01:05] <joseph> You've been here like all day. o.O
[01:05] <Blues-Drive> Yep.. :/
[01:05] <joseph> I feel sorry for you! :(
[01:05] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: but it boots off the CD right, it's after that it says it can't find the CD.
[01:05] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: correct?
[01:05] <Blues-Drive> Well.. It doesnt even get to the install screen.. Thats the thing..
[01:05] <dell500> LeeJunFan, what's the command? touch -d "Oct 20 2005 05:00:00" /etc/sudoers
[01:06] <LeeJunFan> dell500: should be.
[01:06] <LeeJunFan> dell500: man touch if you have any doubts.
[01:06] <Blues-Drive> LeeJunFan: I turn on the computer.. It checks the memory and all that, and checks for the MBR... And it cant find one on the CD.
[01:06] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: but it does bring up the kubntu screen?
[01:06] <Blues-Drive> No..
[01:06] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: ah, okay. hrm.
[01:07] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: did you download the CD?
[01:07] <Blues-Drive> Yeah, a friend burned it for me because he has broadband, and I dont :P
[01:07] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: I bet you have a bad burn or download. :(
[01:07] <Blues-Drive> He's made a ton of these, and the disk is right.. it reads every file on this computer.
[01:08] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: you should check the md5 sum of the CD.
[01:08] <mustard5> Blues-Drive, try an md5 checksum
[01:08] <Blues-Drive> How do I do that?
[01:08] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: you working windows or linux?
[01:08] <Blues-Drive> Right now im on a Windows XP machine
[01:08] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: download the md5 from the kubuntu downloads section first.
[01:08] <Blues-Drive> But im trying to install Kubuntu on my other computer.
[01:09] <Blues-Drive> How big is that file?
[01:09] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: find a MD5 checker for windows - sorry I dont know of any.
[01:09] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: a couple hundred bytes maybe - small.
[01:09] <Blues-Drive> Oh..
[01:10] <mustard5> Blues-Drive, on the page the CD was downloaded from will be an md5 hash..that is a 'key' that looks like a big long list of numbers and letters
[01:10] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: the MD5 file contains the MD5 hash for the good iso right from the servers, if the one you get from the CD you have doesn't match that then you have a bad CD.
[01:10] <dell500> LeeJunFan, that didn't work, cause sudo doesn't work and i don't have permissions
[01:10] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: what about trying to boot the CD on the computer you are using now?
[01:11] <mustard5> Blues-Drive, you can download free md5 checkers for XP..they are not big programs
[01:11] <Blues-Drive> Boot from this one? I dont wanna ruin this computer!
[01:11] <LeeJunFan> dell500: you set your date ahead?
[01:11] <Tallia1-KubuntuB>  LeeJunFan: so , do you remember the name?
[01:11] <dell500> manually?
[01:11] <LeeJunFan> dell500: damn - I bet the ntpdate during startup reset your time.
[01:11] <bobesponja> hey all
[01:11] <mustard5> Blues-Drive, you won't wreck...you just want to see if it boots
[01:11] <dell500> ya, that's what i was thinking
[01:11] <dell500> cause i just read something about ntpdate having issues
[01:11] <Blues-Drive> But if it does boot what will happen?
[01:12] <LeeJunFan> Tallia1-KubuntuB: ?
[01:12] <mustard5> Blues-Drive, it will ask you what you want to do
[01:12] <mustard5> Blues-Drive, just reboot then
[01:12] <mustard5> remove CD
[01:12] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: nothing. Unless you tell it to format/parition/install it will just present you with the startup, worst case scenario it boots - then turn off your computer.
[01:12] <bobesponja> I've just installed kubuntu on my laptop and tapping on my touchpad doesn't work great, as an example when I double tapp on a scroll it doesn't do anything
[01:12] <Blues-Drive> How will I get it to boot from the CD then, it will just load windows normally
[01:13] <bobesponja> though I do have the xorg synaptics driver
[01:13] <bobesponja> anyone knows why?
[01:13] <mustard5> Blues-Drive, it doesnt get to the partitioning part until you have gone through quite a number of options first, so no partitionin will occur
[01:13] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: after you find out if it boots from that CD, you remove the cd and reboot the computer, windows will load normally.
[01:13] <Blues-Drive> Well...
[01:14] <Blues-Drive> Ill try this Md5 checker real quick.
[01:14] <mustard5> Blues-Drive, roger
[01:16] <LeeJunFan> dell500: you could try resetting your date again, only this time make sure your network cable is unplugged when you boot so ntpdate doesn't resync from the network.
[01:17] <LeeJunFan> dell500: your other option would be to boot in recovery/single mode, then you should be logged into a console as root, and you can simply touch /etc/sudoers.
[01:17] <kairu0> i ran "sudo kcontrol" as one of my users and it has stopped that account from being able to get to the desktop. after that, i tried chowning his home folder back to him, but still cant get to a working desktop. any ideas?
[01:18] <LeeJunFan> bobesponja: I havan't had any luck with synaptics stuff since kernel 2.6.11 for some reason. I think something in the kernel broke personally.
[01:18] <LeeJunFan> bobesponja: although it's probably just me because it seems odd it would go this long (I am now running 2.6.14) and still not be fixed.
[01:19] <LeeJunFan> bobesponja: but I noticed my synaptics no longer worked right after booting 2.6.12 for the first time, and booting back into 2.6.11 was dandy.
[01:20] <LeeJunFan> kairu0: probably a tmpfile got the ownership changed to root.
[01:20] <kairu0> LeeJunFan, in the /tmp folder?
[01:20] <bobesponja> LeeJunFan: should I modify something in my xorg.conf or is it only kernel related?
[01:21] <LeeJunFan> bobesponja: I really am not sure. In reality it should be just stuff in xorg.conf, but even though I had all that in mine it just wouldn't work right.
[01:22] <LeeJunFan> kairu0: might be in tmp, but more likely it's the ones in /var/tmp that are the problem.
[01:23] <Knowerrors> Anyone have a good post/recommendation for best kde and firefox font settings?
[01:23] <kairu0> LeeJunFan, those dont get cleared with a reboot?
[01:23] <LeeJunFan> kairu0: nope.
[01:23] <kairu0> LeeJunFan, any idea what the filenames might be?
[01:23] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: um...bitstream vera sans works pretty nicely, is pretty reasonable
[01:23] <LeeJunFan> kdecache-user
[01:23] <Blues-Drive> MD5 checker read each file.
[01:23] <Blues-Drive> So none of them are corrupt
[01:23] <LeeJunFan> just chown -R [user]  kdecache-[user] 
[01:24] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: it's probably a matter of personal taste
[01:24] <bobesponja> according to that post people have issues when switching to 2.6.14 http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=378381
[01:24] <bobesponja> but i'm using the default breezy kernel 2.6.12
[01:24] <kairu0> LeeJunFan, i just checked and all the /var/tmp/kdecache-(user) files are owned by the right person
[01:24] <LeeJunFan> bobesponja: hrm, I lost mine with 2.6.12 I think.
[01:25] <Knowerrors> Hobbsee: what do you use in firefox, I have msttcorfonts installed btw
[01:25] <wotnarg> Are there any debs for the kde-ized version of OO.o2 final floating around?
[01:25] <LeeJunFan> kairu0: I dunno then. I think it was the ksycoca file that was the problem.
[01:26] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: bitstream vera sans in firefox, i think i'm using arial for a lot of kde, as i think it looks nicer
[01:26] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: make sure you have the gtk qt engine
[01:26] <kairu0> LeeJunFan, ok thnkx
[01:26] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: it looks way better (and readable) with that - the fonts arent so small
[01:26] <LeeJunFan> kairu0: worst case scenario, rm -f those dirs and try logging in again.
[01:26] <LeeJunFan> rm -rf that is.
[01:26] <Blues-Drive> mustard5: None of the files are corrupt, so i'm gonna try to reboot my computer with the CD in here.. Do I have to set any boot sequences or will it see the CD and use it just restarting normally?
[01:26] <kairu0> LeeJunFan, ok
[01:27] <mustard5> Blues-Drive, if you have BIOS set to check for CD before it checks for boot from drive it should be fine
[01:27] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: depends on what your bios is set to do. Probably will boot from CD.
[01:27] <Blues-Drive> Alright, I'll check that first then.
[01:27] <bobesponja> LeeJunFan: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-75094.html
[01:27] <Blues-Drive> Be back in a few.
[01:29] <_liquidbinary_> hi
[01:29] <LeeJunFan> bobesponja: hrm, I really haven't invested too much time into it because I normally use a mouse, and I can get by w/o doubletapping, or scrolling with the scrollbutton on mine.
[01:29] <_liquidbinary_> Is anybody using a .xinitrc script at startup?
[01:29] <Knowerrors> Hobbsee: something weird, when I click on GTK Syles and fonts in Settings LooknFeel, nothing happens, even though that is installed... any ideas?
[01:30] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: you're missing one.
[01:30] <bobesponja> LeeJunFan: it looks like sudo sh -c "echo options psmouse proto=exps > /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse.modprobe" and reboot fixes it
[01:31] <lexhider> anyone give me a tip on how katapult works, I can't figure it out.
[01:31] <Knowerrors> LeeJunFan: so the default kubuntu doesn't come with everything needed eh?  what should I check?
[01:31] <LeeJunFan> bobesponja: hrm, cool. I'll have to try it.
[01:32] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: I had the same problem with hoary, I can't remember what it is, but there's actually about 3 packages you need to install to get that working with all gtk apps, problem is there's one for gtk, one for gtk2....
[01:33] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: gtk2-engines-gtk-qt maybe.
[01:33] <Mez> hey anyone there?
[01:33] <Blues-Drive> I reached the Kubuntu screen on this computer.
[01:33] <Blues-Drive> But it still doesnt see it on my other one
[01:34] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: at least we know it's not the CD, but now what on your computer is causing the problem? :-/
[01:34] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: oops...sorry about leaving...
[01:34] <Knowerrors> LeeJunFan: Im using Breezy kubuntu, and yeah, I have gtk2-engines-gtk-qt installed
[01:34] <Blues-Drive> I have no idea, if I took a picture of my screen and uploaded it, would that help a bit?
[01:34] <Knowerrors> thx Hobbsee, ttyl
[01:35] <Hobbsee> was playing with my net connection working with the ifconfig eth0, and it didnt quite come back...
[01:35] <Knowerrors> hehe, my bad, thought you were sayin bye
[01:35] <Hobbsee> hehe nope
[01:35] <penguinboy> what is a good program to use to create.manage web pages????
[01:35] <icewt> nvu ?
[01:36] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: hrm, don't know. Looks like that's all I've got installed on mine and it's working. At least with synaptic.
[01:36] <LeeJunFan> penguinboy: vi :)
[01:36] <LeeJunFan> penguinboy: or quanta
[01:36] <penguinboy> which do you prefer of the two
[01:36] <bobesponja> LeeJunFan: it does work indeed after reboot FYI :)
[01:37] <LeeJunFan> penguinboy: depends, if I'm working on something that I'm doing a lot of cutting and pasting then quanta.
[01:37] <kairu0> penguinboy, vi isnt an html editor
[01:37] <dell500> LeeJunFan, reboot worked, but when my ipod was plugged in, it didn't boot past the bios screen, really wierd
[01:37] <Blues-Drive> Mustard5: You here? :o
[01:37] <penguinboy> vi is a text editor isn;t it
[01:37] <LeeJunFan> bobesponja: cool, well thanks for answering your own question here and fixing a problem for me :)
[01:37] <mustard5> Blues-Drive, sort of yep :)
[01:37] <Hobbsee> hehe...sort of
[01:37] <Blues-Drive> mustard5: Well I could reach the isntall screen on this computer, but my other isnt recognizing it.
[01:37] <mustard5> :)
[01:38] <mustard5> Blues-Drive, your laptop?
[01:38] <bobesponja> LeeJunFan: you're welcome :)
[01:38] <Blues-Drive> Another desktop.
[01:38] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: sounds like your computer needs Hole .45 installed in it first.
[01:38] <mustard5> Blues-Drive, hmmmm...very strange don't you think?
[01:38] <Blues-Drive> Pentium 3 550, 256mb ram 14gb hard drive space.
[01:38] <Blues-Drive> Yeah, very strange :P
[01:38] <Blues-Drive> Im gonna check the IDE cables again, I'm sure I plugged them in right..
[01:39] <mustard5> Blues-Drive, good idea...its seems to be hardware issue
[01:39] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: try unplugging one of your CD drives just for install purposes too.
[01:39] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: maybe one of them isn't liked very well by the install.
[01:40] <Blues-Drive> Would master/slave jumpers on the CD drive be impotant?
[01:40] <StR> Hi all
[01:40] <Blues-Drive> important*
[01:41] <LeeJunFan> bobesponja: dammit, wouldn't you know. psmouse isn't something I compiled. hehe
[01:41] <Blues-Drive> Well.. That shouldn't be the case.. I've never messed with them at all.
[01:41] <Blues-Drive> And they've worked fine before.
[01:41] <Hobbsee> hi StR 
[01:41] <LeeJunFan> bobesponja: I bet that's why it broke with a kernel compile, they probably changed the module name or something and when I compiled a new kernel I probably forgot to select that module.
[01:41] <StR> hi Hobbsee 
[01:42] <kairu0> what is a nice app for listening to browsing/listening to shoutcast radio in kubuntu?
[01:42] <StR> a question for anyone, how can I rip an mpg movie to a divx?
[01:42] <kairu0> StR, i would use mplayer for that (via the command line)
[01:43] <StR> kairu0: hmmm...
[01:43] <LeeJunFan> bobesponja: actually mine is in the kernel, not a module. So I'll have to change by boot params in grub.
[01:43] <StR> kairu0: isn't there any other way?
[01:43] <Blues-Drive> mustard5/LeeJunFan: I have my hard drive as primary master, and my two CD drives as secondary master and secondary slave.. Is that okay?
[01:44] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: yeah, that's fine.
[01:44] <Blues-Drive> All the cables are plugged in correctly as far as I can tell.
[01:44] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: but I'd still disconnect one and try again. IF that doesn't work try switching the plugs and use the other drive.
[01:45] <Blues-Drive> hmm
[01:45] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: it may just be something about one of the drives that install isn't liking.
[01:45] <mustard5> LeeJunFan, sounds like good course of action to me ;)
[01:46] <kairu0> StR, probably.. but thats all i know. maybe you can find something on kde-apps
[01:46] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: it's been known to happen, I remember one CD drive that had a bad implementation of a common atapi command, and when people tried to install Mandrake and it issued that atapi command that one brand/model of drive erased it's firmware. :)
[01:47] <Blues-Drive> Ouch..
[01:47] <Blues-Drive> Hah!
[01:48] <mustard5> success?
[01:48] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: I've even seen the ocassional motherboard and/or bios that wouldn't boot a linux installer either. A friend of mine got a compaq from wal-fart that we tried 4 different distro's on and non of them would decompress the kernel. :(
[01:48] <Blues-Drive> My DVD drive was sucking away the priority from my Yamaha.
[01:48] <Blues-Drive> I disconnected that IDE and left the other in, its reading it finnaly..
[01:49] <sergio> hi
[01:49] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: hehe, finally :)
[01:49] <Blues-Drive> Yeah really.. Thank you so much for that suggestion LeeJunFan :D
[01:49] <Blues-Drive> And Mustard5 for the MD5 checker.. Was about to throw this disk away. :P
[01:50] <sergio> i have a problem whit kubuntu, i can't edit sources.list, and i can't start a sesion as root
[01:50] <sergio> how can i start a sesion as root?
[01:50] <LeeJunFan> sergio: sudo
[01:50] <LeeJunFan> sergio: sudo -s
[01:50] <Hobbsee> !tell sergio about root
[01:52] <aitor_beer> sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list would be better
[01:53] <Blues-Drive> Hmm.. How do I go about this partition thing? Theres four options, and I dont think I know enough about partitioning to do it manually.. 
[01:53] <Hobbsee> Blues-Drive: what are you trying to do?
[01:53] <Hobbsee> ie, you trying to dual boot?
[01:53] <Blues-Drive> I have an old computer set up to run Kubuntu and nothing else, just want to install it and run it
[01:54] <Hobbsee> right
[01:54] <Hobbsee> i think you can hit the top option saying erase the entire disk then
[01:54] <Hobbsee> you're not trying to resize if you dont want to keep anything else on there
[01:55] <Blues-Drive> Top option is Resize IDE1 master, partition #1 (hda1) and use freed space.
[01:55] <Hobbsee> Blues-Drive: right, do this the easy way
[01:55] <Blues-Drive> middle option is Erase entire disk: IDE1 master (HDA)
[01:55] <Hobbsee> yep, use that
[01:55] <Blues-Drive> bottom is erase entire disk and use LVM: IDE1 master (HDA)
[01:55] <Hobbsee> yeah, use the middle one
[01:55] <Blues-Drive> Okay, use the middle one?
[01:55] <Blues-Drive> Thanks :)
[01:55] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:55] <Hobbsee> :) no problems
[01:55] <Hobbsee> i always pick manual, as this is a dual boot machine
[01:56] <Blues-Drive> I'd rather use dual computers than dual boot.. Which is why I slammed this parts comp together :P
[01:56] <jsubl2> yep then you just need a keyboard/monitor switch
[01:56] <Blues-Drive> Actually.. I've got two monitors and two keyboards so i'm in no trouble at all :P
[01:57] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:57] <jsubl2> and a big desk i am guessing
[01:57] <Blues-Drive> Well.. The kubuntu monitor is setting on top of my current monitor.. the tower is underneath my desk..
[01:57] <kairu0> now you need two pizzas and two beers
[01:57] <Blues-Drive> And the keyboard is more or less on the wall. :P
[01:58] <Blues-Drive> Dangling
[01:58] <sergio> in Konsole it doesn't recognise "gedit" command, what can i do?
[01:58] <Hobbsee> sergio: use kwrite
[01:58] <Hobbsee> sergio: gedit is a text editor in gnome
[01:58] <Blues-Drive> Uh oh..
[01:58] <LeeJunFan> sergio: use kedit instead :)
[01:58] <sergio> thankyou
[01:58] <Hobbsee> what's up Blues-Drive ?
[01:58] <Blues-Drive> That was odd.
[01:58] <LeeJunFan> who said gedit? this is #kubuntu :D
[01:58] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:58] <Blues-Drive> Said it couldnt download some program.. But then it kept going with the rest of the install.. didnt get the name of it.
[01:59] <jsubl2> i don't  think there is a kedit
[01:59] <Blues-Drive> Guess its not a big deal..
[01:59] <Hobbsee> jsubl2: not in breezy, but i think there was in hoary
[01:59] <Hobbsee> 3 text editors are a bit much, plus any console ones you like to use
[01:59] <LeeJunFan> jsubl2: no - no kedit. stupid me.
[01:59] <kairu0> use kwrite
[01:59] <kairu0> or kate
[01:59] <LeeJunFan> sergio: I guess there's no kedit, you can use kate or nano
[02:00] <LeeJunFan> sergio: nano is a simple to use console based text editor.
[02:00] <Hobbsee> Blues-Drive: you'll probably soon find out if it isnt...i wonder what it ws
[02:00] <Blues-Drive> Hobbsee: Dunno.. I'm curious about it too.
[02:00] <sergio> I really appreciate all the help you have give me
[02:00] <sergio> I really appreciate all the help you have give me
[02:00] <Hobbsee> Blues-Drive: as long as it wasnt apt, lilo, or grub
[02:01] <Hobbsee> well...both lilo and grub failing, that is
[02:01] <Blues-Drive> I think it said something like Sergio or.. I dunno.
[02:01] <Blues-Drive> or wait
[02:01] <Blues-Drive> No i just read his name and got things confused
[02:02] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:02] <Hobbsee> did it give you a red screen saying that the installation had failed?
[02:02] <Hobbsee> dont remember exactly what hte red screen says - it was way too early yesterday morning when i did it...
[02:03] <Blues-Drive> Naw, just said in the details said "Error: Couldnt download program -something-" and then kept installing.
[02:03] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[02:03] <Hobbsee> shouldnt be too bad then
[02:03] <LeeJunFan> It was probably something you don't need - like a kernel or bootloader, or modules, etc...
[02:04] <Blues-Drive> Oh hell
[02:04] <Blues-Drive> Red screen "Unable to install initrd-tools"
[02:04] <Blues-Drive> "Check /target/var/log/bootstrap.log for the details."
[02:04] <Hobbsee> !info initrd-tools
[02:04] <ubotu> initrd-tools: (tools to create initrd image for prepackaged Linux kernel), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.1.78ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 176 kB
[02:04] <Blues-Drive> Optional? So I can just continue?
[02:05] <Hobbsee> i'd think so
[02:05] <Hobbsee> what other option do you really have?
[02:05] <Blues-Drive> Continue and Go Back
[02:05] <Blues-Drive> I hit continue and said "An installation step failed. You can try to run the failing item again from the menu, or skip it and choose something else. the failing step is: Install the base system"
[02:06] <Hobbsee> try running the failing item again...
[02:06] <Blues-Drive> Now Im at a list of things to install.. Alright
[02:06] <Hobbsee> it might have just screwed up once, and fine the next time
[02:06] <Hobbsee> it'll be the bit straight after the partitioning, or just do the partition screen again
[02:06] <Blues-Drive> The target file system contains files from a past installation, these files could break the installation process or cause a broken system to be installed.. Process with installation to unclean target? Yes - No
[02:07] <LeeJunFan> no, should have formatted it.
[02:08] <Blues-Drive> I did, but the install failed and now its doing this
[02:08] <Hobbsee> Blues-Drive: no, go back to the partition screen, and reformat from there
[02:08] <Blues-Drive> Alright
[02:08] <Blues-Drive> Uh.. Which option on this?
[02:08] <Hobbsee> Blues-Drive: middle one again
[02:08] <Hobbsee> kairu0: definetly...we do try and keep things on topic
[02:09] <Blues-Drive> Its a differant screen.
[02:09] <Hobbsee> Blues-Drive: which screen are you on now?
[02:09] <Hobbsee> the main menu screen?
[02:09] <noirequus> kairu0: #kubuntu-offtopic for anime
[02:10] <Blues-Drive> Says.. Configured softward RAID, Configure the logical volume manager, guided partitioning, help on partitioning, undo changes to partitions and finish partitioning and write changes to disk.
[02:10] <Hobbsee> guided partitioning
[02:10] <Blues-Drive> Okay, back at that one.. Middle option again?
[02:11] <Hobbsee> think so
[02:11] <Hobbsee> the one about erasing the entire disk
[02:11] <Blues-Drive> Its the one you told me last time
[02:11] <Hobbsee> yep
[02:12] <Blues-Drive> Now it asks for a partition scheme?
[02:12] <Blues-Drive> Write all files to one partition, desktop machine, and multi-user machine.
[02:12] <Blues-Drive> I'm the only one using it.. and.. I dont plan on doing anything fancy.. First one?
[02:12] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: one partition.
[02:12] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:12] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: hell I setup one parition even for my servers.
[02:12] <Blues-Drive> Back at that one screen with the guided partition option, but "Finish partitioning and write changes to disk" is highlited, continue with that?
[02:13] <Hobbsee> yep
[02:13] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: next time around I'll probably use LVM on the servers so I can resize partitions.
[02:13] <Blues-Drive> I have no idea what your talking about LeeJunFan. :P
[02:14] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: neither do I :)
[02:14] <Hobbsee> very scary...
[02:14] <Blues-Drive> Okay, now install the base system is highlighted.. And.. installing again
[02:14] <Hobbsee> got 4 partitions on this laptop - way quicker to reinstall
[02:14] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: LVM is logical volume management, in basic terms it allows you to resize partitions, so if you have a partition with /home and /var, and one fills up you can resize it on the fly by shrinking one and growing the other.
[02:15] <Blues-Drive> Oh thats useful.
[02:15] <LeeJunFan> I figure next time I do my servers I'm just going to use network storage for all the data anyway, so I can swap out servers easier, and not have to worry about copying data from old to new ones.
[02:16] <Blues-Drive> zlib1g
[02:16] <Blues-Drive> Thats the one.. said "Retrieving packages: Couldnt download zlib1g"
[02:16] <Hobbsee> !info zlib1g
[02:16] <ubotu> zlib1g: (compression library - runtime), section libs, is required. Version: 1:1.2.3-3ubuntu4 (breezy), Packaged size: 67 kB, Installed size: 160 kB
[02:16] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[02:17] <Blues-Drive> Er... How come it just keeps going with the install without a big red screen or anything?
[02:17] <Blues-Drive> If its required..
[02:17] <Hobbsee> got no idea
[02:19] <Blues-Drive> And yet that optional thing I had to repartition and everything.. Odd :P
[02:21] <LeeJunFan> how the hell can it not be able to install that off a known good md5 disc?
[02:24] <Tangerine> Oi
[02:24] <Tangerine> Someone log off Blues-Drive.. my compy crashed and I have no idea how he's still logged on.
[02:24] <Chani> if I install kubuntu, will I get OOo 2?
[02:25] <Tangerine> Or kick him.. I dunno
[02:25] <Hobbsee> Tangerine: use ghost
[02:25] <Tangerine> ?
[02:26] <Tangerine> Im not too familiar with IRC :P
[02:26] <Hobbsee> Tangerine: /msg nickserv help ghost
[02:26] <Tangerine> Ok.. And the install finished this time, and its asking me to choose a Kernal.. linux-386, linux-image-386, and linux-image-2.6.12-9-386.
[02:27] <sergio> hi
[02:28] <Hobbsee> hi sergio 
[02:28] <sergio> does anybody know a page where I can learn all about Kubuntu?
[02:28] <Hobbsee> !kubuntu
[02:28] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE, not a fork ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[02:29] <sergio> thaks
[02:29] <Hobbsee> no problems
[02:31] <LeeJunFan> sergio: I always cringe when I hear somone ask where they can learn linux :) It's like riding a bike, don't expect to read some instructions and jump on it and start riding a half pipe, you'll fall down a few times :)
[02:31] <getafix> can anyone help me set up a pci dsl modem in the new kubuntu release?
[02:31] <getafix> i'm real new at this
[02:32] <LeeJunFan> getafix: well yousure picked a real bitch of a device to learn on  :)
[02:32] <getafix> ahh
[02:32] <getafix> greeeeaat
[02:32] <getafix> heh
[02:32] <LeeJunFan> getafix: it depends on if there's even support for your device available for linux. First step is to identify the manufacturer and model.
[02:32] <getafix> nokia
[02:32] <getafix> hmmm
[02:33] <getafix> ni200
[02:33] <Tangerine> Hobbse: Did you see my thing about the kernal?
[02:34] <LeeJunFan> getafix: I just googled that and everything I see says no.
[02:34] <getafix> nooooo
[02:34] <Hobbsee> Tangerine: *scrolls up* um, yeah
[02:34] <Tangerine> :P
[02:34] <getafix> hmm so just bad luck?
[02:34] <Hobbsee> got no idea which you should use
[02:35] <kairu0> damn my scanner just works
[02:35] <kairu0> got bless kubuntu!
[02:35] <LeeJunFan> getafix: I did find this [http://www.ahs-png.org/lintech/linux_hints_tips/ADSL/] , which says that yours is one of the ones with this chipset and these people claim to have it working, but it's not easy.
[02:35] <LeeJunFan> getafix: look at it this way - if you go thru all the crap on this page you'll know a lot more about linux in general.
[02:36] <getafix> ta man
[02:36] <Tangerine> Er... Any ideas LeeJunFan? Its asking me to pick a kernal to install to "make the system bootable from the hard drive" linux-386, linux-image-386, or linux-image-2.6.12-9-386
[02:36] <getafix> i'll chekc it out
[02:36] <getafix> yeah i just installed it yesterday just trying to come to terms with everything
[02:36] <getafix> which has a somewhat steep intial curve huh
[02:36] <LeeJunFan> Tangerine: I think they are all the same package.
[02:36] <Tangerine> So why is it under differant options? :x
[02:36] <LeeJunFan> getafix: yeah, it does.
[02:37] <LeeJunFan> Tangerine: probably because it shows all kernel options for you, and 2 of them are links to the main one I think.
[02:37] <Tangerine> Ill just use the shortest one >.>
[02:37] <Tangerine> Oi!
[02:38] <Tangerine> It did the same thing with that initrd-tools thing
[02:40] <hydrogen> hrm
[02:40] <Blues-Drive> Hooray
[02:40] <Blues-Drive> Got my name back.
[02:41] <hydrogen> I'm trying to build my own kernel, as I have use for 2.6.14, but I keep getting a "error: something vfs on root (/dev/hda3), however, I built both my root filesystem (ext3) and the device drives (silicon image and nvidia) into the kernel
[02:41] <getafix> say i got an onboard network card
[02:41] <getafix> and the pci modem
[02:41] <getafix> when i try to pppoeconf
[02:41] <getafix> it only shows up one eth0
[02:41] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: initrd-tools shouldn't be needed unless you are compiling your own kernel.
[02:41] <getafix> does that mean its finding the modem
[02:41] <Blues-Drive> Well it wont let me continue the installation with it.
[02:41] <getafix> or the onboard network carD?
[02:42] <LeeJunFan> getafix: onboard.  likely.
[02:42] <getafix> yeah
[02:42] <getafix> hence it not finding pppoe stuff on it or something?
[02:44] <LeeJunFan> yeah, I dont see an itex driver in the ubuntu kernel, which supposedly is the one you'll need.
[02:44] <getafix> so if i follow the instructions on that site they may work?
[02:45] <getafix> "if" i manage to decode this "english" heh
[02:46] <LeeJunFan> getafix: yeah, problem is that it requires building your own kernel which isn't easy for a first timer.
[02:46] <getafix> haha my god
[02:46] <dsbonzo> Quick question -- I need to do some reconfiguring on my 5.10 system, and can't remember the name or location of the ncurses utility that's used in the initial setup of Ubuntu. Does anyone happen to know off the top of their head?
[02:46] <getafix> can i not use his one?
[02:46] <LeeJunFan> getafix: there is a how-to for compiling a kernel, www.tldp.org
[02:47] <LeeJunFan> getafix: it might work, you will need to install the kernel sources and build-essential.
[02:47] <guy_26> good evening
[02:47] <Blues-Drive> Darn.. Im all out of canned air. :(
[02:48] <LeeJunFan> getafix: another thing that concerns me about this page is that it's seemingly a bit dated, talking about kern 2.4 - so it's likely that these instructions may not cleanly apply to a 2.6.X kernel.
[02:48] <guy_26> I have reinstall M$ Windows and this terrible system erased my MBR as usual... How can I boot from a cd in order to can run grub-install /dev/hda ?
[02:49] <guy_26> *I have reinstalled M$ Windows and this terrible system erased my MBR as usual... How can I boot from a cd in order to run grub-install /dev/hda ?
[02:49] <getafix> yeha
[02:50] <getafix> i wondered that
[02:50] <getafix> maybe i should just buy a router
[02:52] <getafix> cause i haev no idea how to compile and the howtos onthat site are all for linux aren't they not windows?
[02:52] <guy_26> Could anyone help pls? }How can I boot from Kubuntu Install CD and run a command such as grub-install?
[02:52] <Chani> guy_26: you could boot knoppix maybe?
[02:52] <LeeJunFan> yeah.
[02:53] <guy_26> I erased it
[02:53] <guy_26> :(
[02:53] <LeeJunFan> guy_26: boot from the cd and hit f2 or whatever it is for boot options, one of them is rescue I think.
[02:53] <Chani> guy_26: that... is bad. I always keep a couple of knoppix cds around for emergencies :)
[02:53] <guy_26> I tried see all of the help pages... HAven't see rescue
[02:53] <LeeJunFan> guy_26: or a live kubuntu CD.
[02:53] <guy_26> lol
[02:54] <guy_26> Still have it :). But, It's so good damn slow to boot from there hehehe...
[02:54] <guy_26> It asks a lot.
[02:55] <Blues-Drive> guy_26: I'd take slow over nothing at all. :P
[02:55] <LeeJunFan> guy_26: http://ubuntuguide.org/#restoregrubmenuafterwindowsinstallation
[02:55] <guy_26> true
[02:55] <guy_26> Let me check that Lee, thx
[02:55] <guy_26> ;)
[02:55] <Blues-Drive> Ugh, i cant even skip the file.
[02:55] <Blues-Drive> I dont think I can anyway..
[02:56] <Blues-Drive> I get that error then it wont let me finish installing the base system whatever :(
[02:57] <guy_26> rescue option do exist in installation CD
[02:57] <guy_26> thx
[02:57] <guy_26> let me try it
[02:57] <Blues-Drive> Stupid initrd-tools file
[02:57] <Blues-Drive> :(
[02:59] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: I just don't get how it could not be installable if it's part of the base system. argh.
[02:59] <Blues-Drive> Me neither. :/
[03:01] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: I'm searching my CD to see if it's even on there.
[03:02] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: well here's the official on initrd-tools, I don't have it installed on my system. :-/
[03:02] <Blues-Drive> I
[03:02] <LeeJunFan> So somehow it wasn't needed for me.
[03:02] <Blues-Drive> ll see if I can skip it..
[03:02] <Blues-Drive> If not.. Then.. I guess its to another linux build then.
[03:02] <LeeJunFan> And I don't remember getting any messages during install about it either.
[03:03] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: and it's also not on the CD I have.
[03:03] <Blues-Drive> Well this is the breezy badger whatever
[03:05] <LeeJunFan> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=65975
[03:05] <stupendo44> is anyone familiar with making a middle-click in a firefox page show the scrolling arrows. Normally it will paste, but I want it to display up and down arrows to control the speed of scrolling. That way I don't actually have to roll the scroll button.
[03:06] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: you have the i386 iso right? not amd_64 or powerpc?
[03:07] <Blues-Drive> Yeah its the i386
[03:07] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: are you sure you got the final? not a snapshot or beta?
[03:07] <Blues-Drive> Its a final yeah, straight from the website
[03:11] <Blues-Drive> Oi.. This disk probably just sucks :(
[03:13] <noirequus> ubotu: tell Blues-Drive about verify
[03:14] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: yeah, everything I'm finding on that error says burn the CD at slowest speed and it was all better.
[03:14] <BamaWOLF> uhh
[03:15] <Blues-Drive> Yeah.. Oh well
[03:15] <LeeJunFan> BamaWOLF: sorry - can't help you with that :)
[03:15] <BamaWOLF> i just installed kubuntu on my mac, and it never asked to set a root password
[03:15] <BamaWOLF> and now i can't su
[03:15] <LeeJunFan> sudo
[03:15] <BamaWOLF> ah
[03:15] <noirequus> ubotu: tell BamaWOLF about root
[03:18] <thehil>   do I have to press the volumn up button on my IBM thinkpad t22 model to hear the sound. I can't hear the sound. alsamixer and KDE artsd both work. What's wrong?
[03:20] <LeeJunFan> Blues-Drive: for shits and giggles - try installing from your other drive...
[03:21] <Blues-Drive> My other CD drive? I had to disconnect that one because it wouldn't read.. and it wouldnt let my other drive read :P
[03:24] <LeeJunFan> yeah, but maybe if you only connect that one it will work.
[03:24] <Blues-Drive> Eh... Well heck, i've got nothing to lose really.
[03:26] <kairu0> hey Hobbsee 
[03:26] <LeeJunFan> kairu0: you get that user logged in?
[03:27] <Blues-Drive> Hah, wont read from my other drive.
[03:27] <Blues-Drive> Oh well.
[03:27] <Hobbsee> hey kairu0 
[03:27] <kairu0> LeeJunFan, i havent tried yet.. actually, i just wanted to learn how to fix it in case it happens again
[03:29] <Blues-Drive> Ah well.. I'll try to get another install disk.
[03:29] <Blues-Drive> I'm gonna go to bed or something.
[03:29] <kairu0> LeeJunFan, my next task is to stop the subtle popping sound coming from my speakers
[03:30] <LeeJunFan> kairu0: turn them down :)
[03:30] <Blues-Drive> Kairu0: Mine does that too, but its sorta random.. I'd be on a game and then one of the sound files will just start popping.
[03:31] <Blues-Drive> But yeah, night everybody.
[03:31] <LeeJunFan> gnight.
[03:31] <kairu0> Blues-Drive, mine is random too (well it fades in and out)
[03:31] <kairu0> LeeJunFan, even on low volume with headphones i can hear it
[03:32] <kairu0> right now i'm hearing it only from the left ear
[03:32] <LeeJunFan> kairu0: does it seem like it might be lagging? ie when doing high graphical things?
[03:32] <kairu0> LeeJunFan, maybe its lagging a bit
[03:32] <LeeJunFan> kairu0: hrm, well, prob not what I was thinking then.
[03:32] <kairu0> its kind of like radio static when you're going thru a tunnel
[03:32] <LeeJunFan> kairu0: try going into your soundserver config and set realtime on, oh - but first you'll need to chmod +w /usr/bin/artswrapper
[03:34] <LeeJunFan> chmod +s I mean
[03:34] <kairu0> oh heres an important thing: it does the same thing in ubuntu (with esd)
[03:34] <LeeJunFan> ah, then it's not that.
[03:34] <LeeJunFan> if you keep your mouse moving does it clear up as long as the mouse if moving? or get worse?
[03:34] <fatejudger> how can I connect to a Wireless AP and request an IP in the CLI?
[03:35] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: iwconfig [device]  essid [network name]  && dhclient [device] 
[03:35] <kairu0> LeeJunFan, it gets worse
[03:35] <LeeJunFan> kairu0: it might be a conflict. cat /proc/interrupts see if your mouse port (usb?) is on same irq as your sound.
[03:36] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: works great, thanks
[03:36] <fatejudger> why isn't there GUI program to do that?
[03:36] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: I think kwifi might.
[03:37] <LeeJunFan> kwifimanager
[03:37] <kairu0> LeeJunFan,  16:    3508372   IO-APIC-level  uhci_hcd:usb4, HDA Intel, yenta, ra0, i915@pci:0000:00:02.0
[03:37] <kairu0> LeeJunFan, HDA Intel is my audio
[03:37] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: kcmwifi or KWifiManager?
[03:37] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: not really sure, as I do all my wireless from cmd line. :)
[03:38] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: I'm old school.
[03:38] <fatejudger> lol
[03:38] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: you wouldn't happen to know how to use Ndiswrapper would you?
[03:38] <LeeJunFan> kairu0: I wonder if you need some acpi args on your bootup. It's a laptop?
[03:38] <kairu0> LeeJunFan, yes it is
[03:38] <Hobbsee> !ndiswrapper
[03:38] <ubotu> from memory, ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[03:38] <fatejudger> buggy?
[03:38] <fatejudger> my card only get 54 mbps wireless in linux
[03:38] <fatejudger> but it's supposed to get 108 mbps
[03:39] <kairu0> fatejudger, read that wiki its really good.
[03:39] <fatejudger> is it worth it to use ndiswrapper though if it's buggy?
[03:40] <LeeJunFan> kairu0: there are a lot of options for acpi, and I'm not sure which is right for you, but that's likely the problem.
[03:40] <fatejudger> I mean, is it buggy in the way that it can lose data or drop the wireless connection?
[03:41] <kairu0> LeeJunFan, ok thnkx
[03:41] <LeeJunFan> kairu0: I had that problem a long time ago with a sony laptop.
[03:43] <LeeJunFan> kairu0: I think what you want to do is hit e to edit your boot params in grub and try pci=noacpi as a boot param, or maybe it's acpi=noirq.
[03:43] <kairu0> LeeJunFan, why is acpi the problem?
[03:43] <LeeJunFan> kairu0: once you figure it out you can add it permanently to your /boot/grub/menu.list
[03:44] <LeeJunFan> kairu0: acpi does your IRQ routing, and seems like it might be doing it wrong. I think pci=noacpi will let your bios put all the stuff where it needs to be instead of having linux acpi do it.
[03:45] <kairu0> cool i'll try it
[03:45] <LeeJunFan> I've also had problems with acpi putting stuff in with yenta which caused my cardbus stuff to not work right or at all. - ie wireless cards or usb cards.
[03:46] <kairu0> LeeJunFan, i wonder if the static is coming from my network card and audio apparently sharing irq 16
[03:46] <kairu0> LeeJunFan, once this torrent finishes, i'll reboot and try the options :)
[03:47] <LeeJunFan> kairu0: could be a combination of any of those things, or all of them. I remember my problem with audio actually cleared up as long as I was moving the mouse.
[03:47] <soundmaster80> what do i add to get the java plugin for firefox in 5.10
[03:48] <Hobbsee> !tell soundmaster80 about java
[03:48] <getafix> leejun: when that site talks about 2.4.8 Mandrake that kernal
[03:48] <Hobbsee> !tell soundmaster80 about javadeb
[03:48] <getafix> what kernal is the 5.10 kubuntu?
[03:48] <LeeJunFan> 2.6.12
[03:48] <kairu0> LeeJunFan, cool thanks man!
[03:49] <getafix> ahhh cheers man
[03:50] <getafix> your a very very helpful man
[03:50] <getafix> you're
[03:50] <LeeJunFan> getafix: yer welcome. All my knowledge comes from the expense that I've had all these problems :)
[03:50] <getafix> heh
[03:51] <fatejudger> is there a way to cut back on some of the services that are started at boottime?
[03:51] <fatejudger> It takes me almost a minute and a half to boot on my laptop
[03:51] <fatejudger> including X of course
[03:52] <soundmaster80> thank you hobbsee
[03:52] <Hobbsee> no problems soundmaster80 
[03:55] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: yeah, there's a few tools available, servicemanager I think in kubuntu, all your services are started by links in /etc/rc.d/rc2.d to the appropriate files in /etc/rc.d/init.d - if you rm those links the services won't start.
[03:55] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: I know there's a cmdline tool too but the name of it escapes me right now.
[03:56] <LeeJunFan> update-rc.d
[03:57] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: I wouldn't know which ones are safe to remove though
[03:57] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: I figured since you had a laptop you might know which ones to remove
[03:58] <LeeJunFan> it all depends on which ones you have installed.
[03:58] <fatejudger> all the defaults
[03:58] <fatejudger> plus I load my wireless at boot
[03:59] <LeeJunFan> ntpdate can go
[03:59] <fatejudger> what's that?
[03:59] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: that's one almost everyone complains about. It sets your clock from ntp.ubuntulinux.org, but if your network isn't up just yet or your DNS is slow, etc.. it causes wait.
[04:00] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: I've got so many installed I don't know which ones are default ubuntu any more :)
[04:01] <iceman> what do you use to install "THEMES" in kubuntu .. i don't see a  way ? 
[04:02] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: that one is quick
[04:02] <LeeJunFan> kde themes? there's an installer in kcontrol.
[04:02] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: the slow ones are hotplug and "loading modules"
[04:02] <getafix> is stuff that worked on kernal 2.4.x likely to still work on 2.6 stuff?
[04:02] <iceman> wheres kcontrols ? 
[04:03] <Hobbsee> iceman: system settings
[04:03] <Hobbsee> or kcontrol, from the run command
[04:03] <LeeJunFan> getafix: it's hit/miss.
[04:03] <fatejudger> if you use Breezy...
[04:03] <getafix> true
[04:03] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: I know I need hotplug but what modules are being loaded in "loading modules"?
[04:03] <LeeJunFan> getafix: probably mostly miss :(
[04:04] <getafix> haha yeah
[04:06] <kairu0> LeeJunFan, still there?
[04:06] <LeeJunFan> kairu0: yeah
[04:07] <kairu0> LeeJunFan, i tried with pci=noacpi and acpi=noirq but in both cases i couldnt bring my pcmcia wireless card up
[04:08] <LeeJunFan> kairu0: figures :( Diddn't happen to test sound though?
[04:09] <kairu0> LeeJunFan, umm sound came out ok
[04:09] <LeeJunFan> kairu0: so that does seem to be the problem, just not the optimal solution :)
[04:09] <kairu0> LeeJunFan, heres another thing, when i boot up regular without the boot flags, my network card doesnt come up even after i login to kde. i have to go into kcontrol and enable it every time. any ideas?
[04:09] <kairu0> lol yeah
[04:10] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: module-init-tools is the one that does loading modules, but I don't know exactly what it's going to load on your system.
[04:11] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: lsmod | wc -l
[04:11] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: mine has 34 modules loaded with my kernel.
[04:12] <ilba7r> any one know of an application similar to adobe professional. I have a pdf file that i want to reduce it size but do not know how to do it under ubuntu
[04:13] <LeeJunFan> kairu0: wireless isn't always the best thing to have enabled on boot, if you do and you boot your system sometime where you don't have wireless access, but your network is configred with a gateway that it can't reach lots of stuff may be slow as it times out on connections thru the gateway it can't really reach.
[04:14] <LeeJunFan> kairu0: but if you want it to be, you'll want to edit your /etc/network/interfaces file and make your wireless dev auto, ie - auto wlan0 or auto ath0
[04:14] <kairu0> LeeJunFan, it is auto already :(
[04:14] <iceman> Question, how do you install the themes that are not .kscrv type ot theme type .. these compressed files have all the .png files .. how to import ? 
[04:15] <soundmaster80> is there more than just apt-get a few apps to getting mp3 playback....i feel like slapping whoever decided to call royalties on it
[04:15] <LeeJunFan> kairu0: do you have wep? and do you have your network IP config in interfaces like static or dhcp?
[04:15] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: Mine says 98
[04:16] <LeeJunFan> soundmaster80: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:17] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: wow, that's a lot of modules. Of course I compiled my own kernel, so mine is apt to be a bit different.
[04:17] <soundmaster80> it's installed
[04:17] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: well that part takes about 8 seconds to load
[04:17] <LeeJunFan> soundmaster80: what app are you trying to play with? amarok?
[04:17] <soundmaster80> neither xmms or amarok is playing them
[04:17] <soundmaster80> vlc played once...no longer
[04:17] <LeeJunFan> soundmaster80: you probably also need to go into settings with amarok and tell it to use that as an engine.
[04:18] <soundmaster80> ok
[04:18] <LeeJunFan> soundmaster80: I think I'm actually using xine for mine.
[04:18] <LeeJunFan> try installing libmad0 and libxine1c2 and set amarok to play with xine.
[04:19] <LeeJunFan> soundmaster80: and of course restart amarok after installing the libs.
[04:23] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: unless you are prepared to compile your own kernel yet I'd probably just live with it :)
[04:24] <fatejudger> !ndiswrapper
[04:24] <ubotu> I heard ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[04:24] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: ok, I guess I will
[04:24] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: Windows was just so much faster to boot up
[04:24] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: I guess I'm not used to it
[04:27] <soundmaster80> i wonder why xmms will not play mp3
[04:29] <soundmaster80> this just pisses me off SO bad....mp3 used to work so well in linux distros...now cause some a**hole wants to charge it's broken for the rest of us
[04:31] <LeeJunFan> soundmaster80: I don't even use xmms any more, just amarok.
[04:31] <soundmaster80> well, i tried that too...but the playback was messed up to say the least 
[04:32] <soundmaster80> and xmms is the one i've always used....simple, clean, and small
[04:32] <nxv_> i cant load eboard. error: <BareBoard::BareBoard> can't load font. 
[04:32] <LeeJunFan> http://ubuntuguide.org/#xmms
[04:32] <nxv_> has anybody a suggestion which font might lack
[04:33] <kairu0> damn my network card works on and off
[04:33] <LeeJunFan> soundmaster80: amarok works great for me as long as I use the xine engine.
[04:33] <kairu0> and for some reason kcontrol tried to change my wep key
[04:33] <soundmaster80> LOL...i was using that engine 
[04:33] <soundmaster80> no playback there
[04:34] <LeeJunFan> soundmaster80: what about installing liblame0 also?
[04:35] <soundmaster80> dont know...lemmie check :)
[04:35] <masterloki> hi there I have switched from ubuntu to kubuntu and removed some ubuntu packages (like ubuntu-desktop) 
[04:35] <masterloki> but when I run aptitude it always want to remove openoffice, what can I do to stop this
[04:36] <soundmaster80> leejunfan: isn't this an "en"coder not a decoder
[04:37] <icewt> soundmaster80: try libmad0
[04:37] <soundmaster80> installed
[04:38] <_fatejudger> LeeJunFan: do I have to resteart to get ndiswrapper working?
[04:38] <_fatejudger> *restart
[04:38] <LeeJunFan> well it's one of them required here: http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[04:38] <LeeJunFan> _fatejudger: shouldn't have to - might have to modprobe it though to load the driver.
[04:39] <nalioth> soundmaster80: be careful what you read at ubuntuguide
[04:39] <LeeJunFan> yeah, but I've got all those installed and I can play mp3's fine with amarok.
[04:39] <soundmaster80> yeah, i tried the first command they gave and "no directory"
[04:40] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: I already modprobed it
[04:40] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: and then I tried ifup wlan0
[04:40] <LeeJunFan> yeah, the gSTEAMER stuff isn't quite right.
[04:40] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: and it didn't recognize the device or something
[04:40] <LeeJunFan> iwconfig - will list wireless devices if it recognized any.
[04:40] <LeeJunFan> dmesg might also give useful info.
[04:41] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: I already tried that
[04:42] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: could it be because ath0 is already installed?
[04:43] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: no, it should load on another device, ath0 is part of madwifi driver only, ndiswrapper should use a different device name alltogether.
[04:43] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: I've never used ndiswrapper myself though.
[04:43] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: well I have no idea what's going on
[04:43] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: maybe the version of ndiswrapper that they have on the repos is old
[04:43] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: you tried dmesg?
[04:43] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: well it is old, quite a bit old
[04:43] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: no
[04:44] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: what am I supposed to look for in there?
[04:44] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: if it's old I'd be surprised it loaded at all, ndiswrapper has a module that has to be loaded into the kernel, and it will have to be compiled against a kernel of the same version you are running.
[04:44] <LeeJunFan> whatever is at the bottom should show some ndiswrapper messages.
[04:45] <LeeJunFan> what is the ndiswrapper module called anyway?
[04:45] <LeeJunFan> ie - what did you modprobe?
[04:46] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[04:46] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: [4299050.441000]  ndiswrapper version 1.1 loaded (preempt=no,smp=no)
[04:46] <LeeJunFan> according to what ndiswrapper-utils says the kernel that comes with ubuntu has ndiswrapper included, so it should be good.
[04:46] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: that's all it says?
[04:47] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: well there's a bunch of other stuff in there as well
[04:47] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: I just took out the relevant one
[04:48] <LeeJunFan> yeah, but that's all it says for ndiswrapper eh?
[04:48] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: yes
[04:48] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: I thought this was supposed to be easy...
[04:49] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: hehe, did you install the windows driver .inf file with the util?
[04:50] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: yes
[04:50] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: ndiswrapper -i (filename)
[04:51] <fatejudger> great, now I've added yet ANOTHER module to my startup
[04:51] <fatejudger> and this one doesn't even work
[04:51] <LeeJunFan> try this page: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Ubuntu
[04:52] <LeeJunFan> I really don't know as I've never used it.
[04:52] <fatejudger> will Dapper Duck be any better with the laptops?
[04:53] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: actually it won't autoload the module on startup until you do the -m
[04:53] <dfcc> hi, does anyone know what is the defualt root password after a fresh install?
[04:53] <hydrogen> its random
[04:53] <hydrogen> use sudo
[04:53] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: it's not ubuntu so much as linux in general with laptops. It's never been cut and dry, with so much proprietary crap in them...
[04:54] <dfcc> k, thanks
[04:54] <LeeJunFan> hydrogen: I've heard it's random many times, but every time I've ever checked mine it's just disabled. *
[04:54] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: proprietary crap?
[04:54] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: Dell supports linux now
[04:54] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: and many laptop companies are moving in that direction
[04:54] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: in the lappys, stuff that linux doesn't have native drivers for.
[04:54] <hydrogen> random/disabled, either way its not login-able
[04:55] <hydrogen> then passwd root
[04:55] <hydrogen> suppose sudo passwd root works
[04:55] <hydrogen> :)
[04:55] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: that's the wireless company's faults
[04:55] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: yes, but they've chosen the laptop components that linux supports, whereas most of us now are doing it the other way, trying to make linux support the laptop.
[04:56] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: how do I remove the module I just installed?
[04:56] <LeeJunFan> rmmod ndiswrapper
[04:56] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: can I do that with other modules too?
[04:56] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: yeah, but it just removes them from ram, not from startup, next time you boot they will all get loaded again.
[04:57] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: is there a way to see all of the modules that are loaded?
[04:57] <hydrogen> lsmod
[04:57] <fatejudger> is there a way to remove those permanently?
[04:58] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: there are a bunch of modules that don't even apply to me
[04:58] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: bluetooth, sony laptop functions...
[04:58] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: you probably don't want to, they shouldn't be loading unless your system needs to, I think the reason your boot time spends so much time on loading modules is that your ubuntu kernel has so many modules it takes a while to figure out which of those the system needs.
[04:59] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: someone really needs to sit down and think on how the boot time of linux could be improved
[04:59] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: obviously it isn't a matter of Windows being better written than Linux, just that too many things are started up
[04:59] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: assuming that most people are using desktops and never reboot
[04:59] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: I agree, and it's been hashed over many times, too many people argue that linux doesn't need to be rebooted so it doesn't matter, clearly those aholes never used a laptop.
[04:59] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: yeah, really
[05:00] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: I say either get the boottime improved or make the damn acpi sleep actually work for more than 1 out of 50 laptops.
[05:00] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: I guess you could hibernate all the time
[05:00] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: acpi sleep works for mine
[05:00] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: it worked perfectly out of the box with Breezy
[05:00] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: I haven't tried hibernate
[05:01] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: sleep doesn't do a damn thing because it still eats battery by keeping the RAM active
[05:01] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: not mine. This one is a sager, my last 2 were sony, the 2 before that were dells, it worked on the first dell. So for me 1 out of 5 worked, but the first one wasn't apci, it was apm.
[05:01] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: did you use Breezy?
[05:02] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: Breezy has tons of laptop support compared to Hoary
[05:02] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: out of the box wireless and sleep
[05:02] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: the only thing they don't have is good laptop button support
[05:02] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: true, hibernate works, but sleep doesn't. hibernate takes almost as long as booting though, I like sleep. I could instantly sleep, go to work on someones network 5 miles away and instantly resume in 2 seconds.
[05:02] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: I STILL can't figure out how to get my volume buttons to work permanently
[05:02] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: sleep eats power
[05:03] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: I think there's acpi tools of some sort for that, but I haven't bothered with them.
[05:03] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: not very much.
[05:03] <fatejudger> well, some
[05:03] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: I sleeped my dell for 2 days before.
[05:03] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: it does have to keep the RAM active
[05:04] <fatejudger> I've been trying to get xmodmap to load the settings at boot
[05:04] <fatejudger> and I can't seem to do that
[05:04] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: and it was nice for the drive between work/home too, I didn't have to shut down whatever I was working on, just go home and power back up and keep working.
[05:05] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: I'm going to try a couple acpi options to see if I can make sleep work for me.
[05:05] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: you never told me whether you used Breezy or not
[05:06] <Knowerrors> anybody recommend good kubuntu kde themes to download?
[05:06] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: yeah.
[05:06] <nalioth> Knowerrors: kde-look.org or www.deviantart.com
[05:07] <fatejudger> nalioth: kde-look has horrible themes
[05:08] <fatejudger> nalioth: plastik is about the only good KDE theme I've seen
[05:08] <nalioth> fatejudger: i just send folks over, i dont critique them
[05:09] <fatejudger> nalioth: do you use KDE?
[05:09] <Knowerrors> I meant ones in the ubuntu repositories
[05:09] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: the ones there are easy to install
[05:09] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: you just point the theme manager to the theme file
[05:09] <nalioth> fatejudger: i use it to hold several xterms
[05:10] <Knowerrors> so they come in debian format eh?
[05:10] <fatejudger> nalioth: not much of a GUI guy?
[05:10] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: no
[05:10] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: they come as a theme
[05:10] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: just download it and extract it
[05:10] <nalioth> fatejudger: never have been
[05:10] <Knowerrors> ok, so its a universal format
[05:10] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: then go into the theme manager
[05:10] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: universal for KDE
[05:11] <fatejudger> I've seen a few screenshots of customized KDE themes that look just great
[05:11] <fatejudger> but I always forget to ask for the theme file
[05:12] <fatejudger> it seems like the best themes aren't posted
[05:12] <Knowerrors> nice, Im looking for one that has icons/cursor style/color/window decoration/... everything all jiving
[05:12] <Knowerrors> will do some browsing
[05:12] <Knowerrors> btw, Im getting nada when I click on "settings>look/feel> and click on gtk styles/fonts" , any ideas why?
[05:13] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: what exactly are you hoping will appear?
[05:14] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: oh I see what you mean
[05:14] <Knowerrors> I want a unified them
[05:14] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: go into "system settings" -> appearance - > GTK styles and fonts
[05:14] <Knowerrors> right now I have a conglomerated mishmash of different styles
[05:14] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: GTK should be set to the QT GTK engine by default
[05:14] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: if you have Breezy installed that is
[05:14] <nalioth> Knowerrors: open adept, and search for "theme"
[05:15] <Knowerrors> I have breezy kubuntu installed, when I click on that, nothing pops up
[05:15] <nalioth> Knowerrors: there are a few in there, iirc
[05:15] <Knowerrors> GTK styles and fonts icon...
[05:15] <Knowerrors> does nothing except flash for a little while (busy) then nada
[05:15] <LeeJunFan> hehe, holy shite. suspend to ram works with 2.6.14. hehe
[05:16] <Knowerrors> the GTK thing is a seperate issue from the theme searching
[05:16] <LeeJunFan> my external hd didn't like it though.
[05:17] <Knowerrors> Im thinking this is also realated to why synaptic and firefox look plain
[05:17] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: you have the new kernel?
[05:17] <IamMe> hello. :)  Can anyone please tell me how to burn the Kubuntu ISO to a CD (install CD)?  Thanks.
[05:17] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: install the CrystalFox theme for Firefox
[05:17] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: synaptic depends on GTK, so you have to use the QT GTK engine
[05:18] <nalioth> Knowerrors: firefox is gonna look plain (iirc, it's not system skinnable)
[05:18] <nalioth> IamMe: using what OS?
[05:18] <IamMe> Linux
[05:18] <fatejudger> nalioth: it doesn't have to
[05:18] <fatejudger> nalioth: if you install the skin I told him to
[05:18] <nalioth> IamMe: use k3b to 'burn iso image'
[05:18] <Knowerrors> fatejudger: "The GTK-Qt Theme Engine (also known as gtk-qt-engine) " is installed already
[05:19] <IamMe> ok... thank you!
[05:19] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: well enable it
[05:19] <Knowerrors> how?
[05:19] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: the firefox theme is called "PlastikFox" btw, I suggest you get it
[05:19] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: I don't like the KDE GTK switcher
[05:20] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: I use a third party one
[05:20] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: I think the package is called "gtk-theme-switch"
[05:20] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: type "switch2" in the console once you install the package
[05:21] <fatejudger> nalioth: where are the KDE skins in deviantart?
[05:21] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: yeah, I have 2.6.14, err actually I have 2.6.14-rc5 or some such thing.
[05:21] <Knowerrors> what I don't get is, the KDE GTK button in settings look and feel does nothing when I click on it... like something is missing
[05:21] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: only bad thing was I resumed by hitting my power button, and it resumed but caused my machine to shut down too. heheh, have to resume with the hibernate function key on my lappy, which oddly won't suspend it.
[05:22] <nalioth> fatejudger: mixed in with the others
[05:22] <nalioth> fatejudger: there may be a section for kde
[05:22] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: so you don't even get the part that allows you to configure the kde/gtk stuff?
[05:23] <fatejudger> nalioth: I don't see it
[05:23] <fatejudger> nalioth: I only see blackbox and fluxbox
[05:24] <Knowerrors> LeeJunFan: right, that icon doesn't open up any settings dialog at all for me
[05:26] <nalioth> fatejudger: well that sucks
[05:27] <nalioth> fatejudger: freshmeat.net has themes
[05:32] <Knowerrors> thx nalioth: will look there too, using Baghira right now, which is ok, nice change from Lipstick
[05:34] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: do you have a ~/.gtk_qt_engine_rc file?
[05:37] <dfcc> is there a way in kubuntu to select packages at install?
[05:37] <dfcc> remove some that i dont need and add some that i do
[05:42] <soundmaster80> i'm trying to mount a share on a 2k3 server box, it seems to mount with no problems, however i cannot browse the folder nor does it appear in konqueror after being mounted
[05:42] <soundmaster80> i have followed the instructions on ubuntu guide exactly for this 
[05:42] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: I'd probably remove all the .gtk crap in your $HOME, as well as checking your /var/tmp to make sure everything there is owned by proper owners.
[05:43] <soundmaster80> Leejunfan: turns out my problem was the mp3's were being browsed thru smb:// and that caused an issue with xmms 
[05:47] <soundmaster80> no one have an answer to my mount problem
[05:49] <LeeJunFan> soundmaster80: what are you doing to mount it?
[05:50] <soundmaster80> mount //winserver/storage /media/storage -o username="removed",password="removed",dmask=777,fmask=777
[05:50] <soundmaster80> and i have created that /media/storage folder
[05:50] <LeeJunFan> mask is backwards - should be 000 I think.
[05:51] <soundmaster80> on both?
[05:51] <soundmaster80> 777 is read/write to everyone 
[05:51] <LeeJunFan> mask means to take bits away, so you are setting it all to 000.
[05:51] <soundmaster80> ok
[05:51] <soundmaster80> i'll try
[05:53] <soundmaster80> the folder disappears
[05:53] <soundmaster80> i just can't understand that 
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> crap.
[05:53] <soundmaster80> the mounted folder disappears and is no longer browseable 
[05:54] <soundmaster80> umount and it re-appears
[05:56] <LeeJunFan> give me a min to setup sharing on my wifes win comp.
[05:56] <soundmaster80> ok
[05:56] <soundmaster80> this is linux to win server 2k3
[05:56] <soundmaster80> and if you search, i do have digital encryption turned off on the server box
[06:02] <Knowerrors> LeeJunFan:  where do I find ~/.gtk_qt_engine_rc file?
[06:05] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: in your home dir
[06:05] <LeeJunFan> ls -la
[06:07] <LeeJunFan> soundmaster80: hehe, I don't seem to have smb support for some reason.
[06:08] <soundmaster80> you know...i loved 5.04 kubuntu...however, i'm having more trouble out of 5.10
[06:08] <Knowerrors> nope, don't have it
[06:08] <LeeJunFan> what about any other .gtk dirs/files?
[06:09] <Knowerrors> in the home directory?
[06:10] <Knowerrors> nothing .gtk in there
[06:10] <LeeJunFan> soundmaster80: have to install the smbfs package. just a sec.
[06:11] <soundmaster80> leejun, i'm betting this is a server 03 and samba issue
[06:11] <soundmaster80> i've seen two samba posts with this exact issue
[06:12] <jesusfish> sweet, think I finally got my gam_server issues fixed
[06:12] <LeeJunFan> soundmaster80: I do see that it says fmask and dmask are actual permissions in the manpage, not a umask as I though. So 777 is right.
[06:13] <soundmaster80> ok
[06:13] <soundmaster80> i'll change that
[06:13] <LeeJunFan> I mounted my wife(s), and it worked fine. :)
[06:14] <soundmaster80> yeah, see i'm really betting this is a server 03 issue
[06:14] <soundmaster80> two other post ....exact same issues and MS software
[06:14] <LeeJunFan> what if you try to mount as guest?
[06:15] <soundmaster80> no, that wouldn't work as i need write capib.
[06:15] <LeeJunFan> I mean - does the mount fail or does it give the same results?
[06:15] <soundmaster80> no, it doesn't fail
[06:15] <soundmaster80> example:
[06:16] <LeeJunFan> just wondering if auth might be failing and it's giving you guest permissions, and guest maybe cant see those files on the server.
[06:16] <LeeJunFan> what if you make the files world readable on the win2k machine just for a min.
[06:16] <soundmaster80> i create /media/server0 and mount //winserver/storage to it
[06:17] <soundmaster80> i mount the file to the folder and the folder disappears...i mean it's just not there period
[06:17] <soundmaster80> i'll try
[06:19] <soundmaster80> nope...no effect
[06:23] <propagandhi> has anyone seen or used http://www.cosmopod.com
[06:23] <LeeJunFan> soundmaster80: another thing to consider is that I'm running 2.6.14 that I compiled. Maybe it's messed in the kernel?
[06:24] <soundmaster80> no, it's samba
[06:24] <LeeJunFan> same smbfs you and I have though.
[06:25] <soundmaster80> i'm reading a few people who went back to 3.0.2a
[06:25] <soundmaster80> and were fine
[06:25] <LeeJunFan> I've got 3.0.14a here
[06:26] <LeeJunFan> and I haven't edited my smb.conf at all yet.
[06:26] <soundmaster80> hmm....lol, looking at it these are post over a year old.
[06:26] <soundmaster80> i don't have samba-server installed 
[06:27] <soundmaster80> client and common
[06:27] <soundmaster80> tried to install server, dep problems with synaptic...:(
[06:27] <LeeJunFan> which smbfs? there was an smbfsx one - don't know what that is.
[06:27] <LeeJunFan> no kidding, that's how I installed mine.
[06:27] <LeeJunFan> err, maybe not. just apt-get install samba-server here.
[06:28] <soundmaster80> yeah, i'm thinking i just got the kubuntu "su" version
[06:28] <LeeJunFan> err - samba
[06:28] <soundmaster80> screwed up version
[06:29] <soundmaster80> smbfs 3.0.20b-2 is installed
[06:30] <LeeJunFan> soundmaster80: no kidding. you running breezy or hoary?
[06:30] <soundmaster80> 5.10
[06:30] <LeeJunFan> me too. do your updates?
[06:30] <soundmaster80> yes sit
[06:30] <soundmaster80> i just loved 5.04....couldn't wait for 5.10 to come out 
[06:31] <LeeJunFan> I just installed mine, and I got 3.0.14a
[06:31] <soundmaster80> would have never dreamed of this many issues
[06:31] <soundmaster80> i'll remove itand see
[06:32] <LeeJunFan> did you upgrade to 5.10 or fresh install?
[06:32] <soundmaster80> fresh
[06:32] <LeeJunFan> now I'm really confused. how do we end up with 2 diff versions of smbfs?
[06:32] <soundmaster80> i have no clue
[06:32] <LeeJunFan> ii  smbfs                 3.0.14a-6ubuntu1
[06:32] <LeeJunFan> what dpkg -l smbfs tells me
[06:33] <azertyuuu> hey all, i installed the w32 codecses, but playing wmv-files with Kafeinne stilll failes.  Do i need  something else ?
[06:34] <LeeJunFan> azertyuuu: I have mixed luck with wmv's. I have better luck if I install libxine and tell kaffeine to use xine for playing.
[06:34] <azertyuuu> ok i'll try thanks
[06:35] <soundmaster80> how can i force just one package to be uninstalled
[06:35] <LeeJunFan> soundmaster: 3.0.14a is what I have on my install CD
[06:36] <soundmaster80> if i try to uninstall samba-common it tells me i have to uninstall kubuntu-desktop
[06:36] <LeeJunFan> dpkg --force-remove -r
[06:38] <thoreauputic> soundmaster80: kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage - you can remove it safely
[06:38] <soundmaster80> really?
[06:38] <thoreauputic> soundmaster80: it just contains indications of dependencies
[06:38] <thoreauputic> !info kubuntu-desktop
[06:38] <ubotu> kubuntu-desktop: (Kubuntu desktop system), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.55 (breezy), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 36 kB
[06:39] <soundmaster80> ok....lol i'm trusting here
[06:39] <thoreauputic> as you see, it's only 8kb
[06:39] <thoreauputic> soundmaster80:  apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop if you need confirmation :)
[06:39] <soundmaster80> thank u...i'll trust you
[06:40] <azertyuuu> thoreauputic: hey all, i installed the w32 codecses, but playing wmv-files with Kafeinne stilll failes.  Do i need  something else ?
[06:40] <thoreauputic> azertyuuu: have you red the restricted formats wiki page?
[06:40] <thoreauputic> *read
[06:41] <thoreauputic> !restricted
[06:41] <ubotu> [restricted]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats ; also see !javadebs (for sun-java debs) and !w32codecs
[06:41] <soundmaster80> that's nice to know i can delete that....now i can remove the openoffice integration
[06:42] <thoreauputic> soundmaster80:  be aware that when you come to dist-upgrade to Dapper, you will need to reinstall that pavckage first, though
[06:42] <thoreauputic> ie kubuntu-desktop
[06:42] <soundmaster80> thank you....
[06:43] <thoreauputic> else your upgrade will be ... interesting ;)
[06:43] <soundmaster80> LOL
[06:43] <soundmaster80> nothing new for me 
[06:43] <soundmaster80> interesting has been my whole computer experience...never been easy
[06:43] <thoreauputic> heh
[06:44] <LeeJunFan> soundmaster80: yeah, I have no idea where you got that 3.0.20 samba. hehe.
[07:07] <Sonny_Wertzik> hello
[07:09] <Sonny_Wertzik> is anybody in here?
[07:09] <flixor> yes 
[07:09] <Sonny_Wertzik> hehe
[07:09] <flixor> but everybody is asleep i guess
[07:09] <Sonny_Wertzik> hehe
[07:09] <flixor> and i am foing to my work 
[07:09] <Sonny_Wertzik> hello
[07:10] <flixor> hya
[07:10] <Sonny_Wertzik> does anybody here use kxdocker?
[07:10] <flixor> i think so 
[07:11] <flixor> i have it on my box but dont use it 
[07:11] <Sonny_Wertzik> did u compile it yourself?
[07:11] <flixor> nope
[07:11] <Sonny_Wertzik> awww
[07:11] <flixor> just used a binary 
[07:11] <flixor> are you compiling the software yourself
[07:12] <Sonny_Wertzik> do you know of any programs like kxdocker that are not glitchy?
[07:12] <Sonny_Wertzik> ya i got it to work its just glitchy
[07:13] <flixor> not realy i am sorry 
[07:13] <soundmaster80> I FOUND MY ANSWER ...YAAAAAAA
[07:13] <flixor> i think you have to wait that this channel is going to wake up 
[07:13] <flixor> anyway i have to go, need to go to work 
[07:13] <Sonny_Wertzik> the guy who wrote kx is italian and his instructions are not translated well
[07:14] <Sonny_Wertzik> ok have a good time at work hehe
[07:14] <flixor> thanks Sonny_Wertzik and goodluck with kxdocker
[07:14] <Sonny_Wertzik> flixor, l8s
[07:18] <Knowerrors> quick Q... how to disable root access in ubu, and is that a good idea? I think some things in kde arent working righ due to having a root account
[07:21] <kairu0> hey all
[07:25] <soundmaster80> how do i add something to the media menu
[07:25] <soundmaster80> i want to add my mounted drive to it 
[07:27] <kairu0> soundmaster80, maybe you have to mount your drive with konqueror
[07:27] <kairu0> but i dont know exactly
[07:36] <flixor> soundmaster80, what is the media menu 
[07:37] <soundmaster80> sorry, was away
[07:37] <flixor> no problem 
[07:37] <soundmaster80> under storage media 
[07:37] <soundmaster80> that help?
[07:37] <flixor> not realy 
[07:37] <flixor> you mean in konqueror 
[07:37] <soundmaster80> ok, no in the panel
[07:38] <soundmaster80> under the panel system menu
[07:38] <flixor> kee 
[07:39] <soundmaster80> still not helping?
[07:39] <flixor> i have it already 
[07:39] <flixor> :) 
[07:39] <flixor> thanks 
[07:39] <soundmaster80> ok
[07:39] <flixor> but i have to go now otherwise i am comming late
[07:39] <soundmaster80> ok
[07:40] <Delvien> Anyone know a good CPU frequency controller for KDE? like that of cpufreqd in Gnome
[07:52] <kkathman> evening all :)
[07:53] <stupendo44> I need some help. I just want to make sure that I do this right. I accidentally ran the FIXBOOT and FIXMBR from the xp recovery console on my kubuntu drive.
[07:54] <stupendo44> I haven't done anything else yet. I'm currently running off a Ubuntu 5.04 Live CD
[07:57] <flixor> make a boot floppy stupelxc so that you can boot into your linux box stupelxc 
[07:57] <flixor> sorry i mean stupendo44 
[07:57] <stupendo44> tab  will do that to you...
[07:57] <stupendo44> ok
[07:57] <flixor> hya kkathman is it evening overthere 
[07:57] <stupendo44> then what
[07:58] <flixor> then what then you can boot into your linux box and reinstall grub or lilo whatever you want
[07:58] <flixor> but that is more the theory 
[07:58] <stupendo44> shouldn't be too difficult. I'll look up some faqs
[07:58] <flixor> i must say that i dont know how to make the bootfloppys what the commands are 
[07:59] <flixor> but that should be the cause of action i guess 
[07:59] <flixor> course 
[07:59] <stupendo44> my other question is, I tried to convert my old windows xp ntfs drive to fat32 using gparted, and it took only a second and then it was done (supposedly). now it appears to be empty. are there any linux tools I can use to recover it?
[08:00] <kkathman> flixor: yep...well early morning actually
[08:01] <kkathman> 1am
[08:01] <flixor> do you had data on that partition stupendo44 
[08:01] <stupendo44> yeah
[08:01] <flixor> well overhere its 8 in the morning 
[08:01] <stupendo44> lots
[08:01] <flixor> kee what i think is that only the partition tables are gone and not your data 
[08:02] <stupendo44> oh, I know that
[08:02] <stupendo44> it would take a lot longer to delete all the data
[08:02] <stupendo44> this only took a second
[08:02] <kkathman> stupendo44: I once did that, but didnt trust the gparted tool, so I spent $40 and bought Partition Magic...worked at the time, but I soon abandoned the dual-boot idea
[08:02] <flixor> kee and now you want to know what the command is to make your ntfs partion back 
[08:02] <stupendo44> I should have just used the xp cd to do it
[08:02] <stupendo44> convert works most of the time
[08:03] <flixor> i dont know stupendo44 this is my seventh day on linux and kubuntu 
[08:03] <stupendo44> I just wanted to see if gparted would do it, and since it gave me the option I figured it could
[08:03] <kkathman> stupendo44: I'd ask the system gurus in #ubuntu
[08:03] <flixor> so my knowledge is not good enough yet 
[08:03] <stupendo44> really
[08:03] <flixor> yep 
[08:03] <stupendo44> it's about my 9th day in a while
[08:03] <flixor> lol 
[08:03] <stupendo44> I've tried it before. I'm a windows expert
[08:03] <kkathman> yah but dont tell them you installed kubuntu..just say that you did the FIXMBR and the things you did
[08:03] <flixor> kee anyway goodluck i realy need to go btw kkathman good help he is very good 
[08:03] <flixor> adios everybody 
[08:04] <kkathman> Im not a system level guru, especially for dual-boot systems..never did one
[08:04] <kkathman> well I did, but not for long
[08:04] <flixor> kee well its not that hard i guess 
[08:04] <stupendo44> I'm not dual-booting...
[08:04] <kkathman> ohhh ok
[08:05] <stupendo44> I just added another drive, put kubuntu breezy on it. got my mail and music moved over. got my firefox profile moved over. next I was going to convert the windows xp drive to fat32 so I could delete stuff from in kubuntu
[08:13] <Black_Chaos> evening all
[08:13] <Black_Chaos> well not all, some
[08:14] <kkathman> Howdy Black_Chaos  :)
[08:14] <kkathman> How are you?
[08:14] <Black_Chaos> doin alright
[08:14] <kkathman> great!
[08:14] <Black_Chaos> yourself?
[08:15] <kkathman> Im pretty good thanks :)
[08:16] <Black_Chaos> you wouldn't by any chance know a way to make it so that when I middle click a webpage it goes to that scrolly circle thing
[08:16] <Black_Chaos> like in winders
[08:16] <kkathman> scrolly circle thing??
[08:17] <Black_Chaos> yeah, it makes it so that the page scrolls in the direction you move the mouse
[08:20] <kkathman> Ohhh ok I know what you are talking about
[08:20] <kkathman> hmmm...
[08:20] <kkathman> Im not sure, but you might could play with the application settings...whatever browser you are using
[08:20] <kkathman> are you using Konqueror?
[08:21] <Black_Chaos> Firefox and Konq
[08:21] <kkathman> ok
[08:22] <kkathman> yah I dont know of a way, because it would mean that the application would need to understand the "center" click thingy
[08:23] <kkathman> and thats not a shortcut setting that I know of
[08:23] <Black_Chaos> bummer
[08:24] <kkathman> Interestingly enough
[08:24] <kkathman> hitting the middle button on my mouse in Opera, makes it act like a filemanager..which is kinda kewl
[08:25] <kkathman> but pressing the middle button in Firefox, doesnt seem to do anything
[08:25] <Black_Chaos> hitting the iddle one in Konq makes it load whatevers in the clipboard in a new tab or something weird like that
[08:25] <kkathman> Does the same thing with Konqeror
[08:26] <kkathman> ohh...in mine it make Konqy act like a file manager
[08:26] <kkathman> in IRC is does the clipboard thing
[08:26] <Black_Chaos> hmmm
[08:26] <kkathman> its highly dependent on the application
[08:26] <Black_Chaos> yeah
[08:27] <kairu0> hey all
[08:27] <Black_Chaos> drives me nuts that the Linux Firefox acts a little different then the windows ver
[08:28] <kkathman> Black_Chaos: yah, Linux Firefox is kinda dumbed down from the Win version for sure
[08:28] <kkathman> thats why I personally use Opera...its pretty much the same on both platforms
[08:28] <kkathman> hey Hobbsee  :)
[08:29] <kairu0> kkathman, can you make opera look like your kde theme?
[08:29] <Hobbsee> hey kkathman :)
[08:29] <kkathman> kairu0: you can pretty much make Opera look like what you want
[08:30] <kkathman> choose the Appearance...then "Windows native" oddly enough, and it matches your KDE theme
[08:30] <kkathman> Opera is a much better choice now that its free :)
[08:30] <kairu0> reeallly
[08:31] <kairu0> Windows native = current qt theme?
[08:31] <kkathman> Pretty much, yeah
[08:31] <kkathman> well, whatever you chose
[08:31] <kairu0> i see
[08:31] <kkathman> Gosh thats so weird
[08:32] <kkathman> the middle mouse button in Opera, makes it a full fledged file manager :)
[08:32] <kkathman> kewl :)
[08:33] <kairu0> i used opera for a while, but couldnt make japanese fonts look decent
[08:35] <kkathman> well, linux tends to be WAY behind windows in pallatable fonts
[08:35] <kkathman> Even the most vehement Linux fan will admit fonts suck
[08:36] <kkathman> and they play havoc with interoperability of documents
[08:36] <kkathman> bit eventually they'll come around
[08:36] <kairu0> thats true
[08:39] <kkathman> allo raphink :)
[08:39] <Hobbsee> yay!
[08:39] <Hobbsee> had to compile moztraybiff, but it now works!
[08:39] <raphink> hi kkathman 
[08:39] <kairu0> shweet
[08:40] <raphink> hello Hobbsee 
[08:41] <Hobbsee> hey raphink 
[08:41] <Hobbsee> yep, very
[08:41] <Black_Chaos> ok nother ?
[08:42] <Black_Chaos> In the K menu it list things like "Web Browser (Firefox)" and for the life of me I can't find the option to get it to like "Firefox (Browser)"
[08:42] <Black_Chaos> Where is it??
[08:43] <raphink> right click on the menu
[08:43] <raphink> choose the menu editor
[08:43] <raphink> and change the option
[08:44] <Hobbsee> no...i think there's an easier way of that...
[08:44] <Hobbsee> or otherwise i'm comign up with something that i'm not expecting
[08:44] <raphink> maybe...
[08:44] <Black_Chaos> Do tell
[08:44] <Hobbsee> looking for it
[08:44] <Black_Chaos> cause I'm not seeing any option in the Menu Editor.....
[08:44] <Hobbsee> yeah, it's not there
[08:44] <Hobbsee> but it does exist!
[08:44] <Hobbsee> yep
[08:45] <Hobbsee> right click on task bar, configure taskbar, menus
[08:45] <Hobbsee> at the top of that dialog box, you will find what you are looking for :)
[08:45] <Delvien> What are the KDE dev libraries called
[08:46] <raphink> kdelibs
[08:46] <raphink> I think now it's kdelibs4-dev
[08:46] <raphink> you can find them with 
[08:46] <raphink> apt-cache search kdelibs | grep devel
[08:46] <Delvien> http://pastebin.com/411841 any ideas ?
[08:46] <Black_Chaos> ack I don't seem to have a menu option......
[08:47] <Black_Chaos> ohhh nevermind I found it
[08:47] <raphink> what are you compiling Black_Chaos ?
[08:47] <Hobbsee> Black_Chaos: :)
[08:47] <raphink> srry
[08:47] <raphink> I mean
[08:47] <raphink> what are you compiling Delvien ?
[08:47] <Delvien> raphink a daemon called knotebook, for direct CPU scaling contriol temps and stuff like that.. 
[08:47] <Delvien> but having a hell of a time getting the damn thing installed
[08:48] <raphink> knotebook is not available as binary?
[08:48] <Delvien> raphink no :(
[08:48] <raphink> and the README file doesn't list the dependencies?
[08:49] <Delvien> http://people.freenet.de/BalaGi/download/knotebook-README
[08:49] <Delvien> not that i can tell.. he  did a slap dash on the old readme
[08:50] <raphink> well it says you need the KDE and Qt headers which is not surprising
[08:50] <Delvien> i have installed all the ones i can
[08:50] <raphink> at least you need libqt3-headers it seems
[08:50] <Delvien> dev/libs etc
[08:50] <raphink> and you miss it
[08:51] <Delvien> raphink have that
[08:51] <kairu0> i would like to download some kde themes that are compiled as deb packages. anyone know where i can?
[08:51] <raphink> well libqt3-headers contain qtimer.h
[08:51] <raphink> kairu0: you can find kde themes on kde-look.org
[08:52] <raphink> and they don't need to be compiled as deb 
[08:52] <Delvien> raphink let me reinstall the headers.. 
[08:52] <raphink> as you wish
[08:53] <kairu0> raphink, i know they dont have to be debs, but for my own convenience i want some deb files
[08:53] <Delvien> crap it gets rid of a bunch of other stuff
[08:53] <raphink> kairu0: make them, so it will be for others' convenience too
[08:54] <kairu0> raphink, so you dont know of any kde theme .deb files?
[08:54] <raphink> I don't think it will change much to do that Delvien 
[08:54] <raphink> kairu0: did you search in your db?
[08:54] <kairu0> raphink, yes
[08:54] <raphink> what did you find?
[08:54] <Delvien> raphink what do you think i should do then?
[08:55] <kairu0> one package.. and it didnt have many
[08:55] <raphink> knotebook compiles against a multithreaded QT library libqt-mt.so
[08:55] <raphink>   If you have another KDE/QT configuration, you have to edit the file
[08:55] <raphink>   Makefile.in before running ./configure .
[08:55] <raphink> Delvien: in the readme it says : did you try that?
[08:55] <raphink> kairu0: did you look on apt-get.org?
[08:56] <kairu0> raphink, i'll look at it now
[08:57] <raphink> kairu0: I still don't get why you can't install themes manually
[08:57] <raphink> it's not that hard to click on two buttons to install a theme
[08:57] <raphink> you're making it harder ;)
[08:57] <Delvien> raphink what would i edit.. lolhe doesnt exactly say 
[08:57] <raphink> sure it says what to edit
[08:58] <raphink> it says to edit the Makefile.in
[08:58] <raphink> and change some things in it
[08:58] <raphink> as explained in the readme
[08:58] <Delvien> but it says what the Makefile.in not what i am supposed to change it to
[08:58] <raphink> yes it says it too
[08:58] <raphink> not in the part I have pasted though
[08:59] <Delvien> raphink im not an advanced user, still learning, so when someone says oh yeah edit the file.,  but no desc
[08:59] <raphink> Delvien: compiling is for advanced users
[08:59] <Delvien> QT base dir:   $QTDIR/include  $QTDIR/lib  $QTDIR/bin/moc
[08:59] <Delvien> but thats what it does
[08:59] <raphink> so if you want to compile a program I assume you're advanced
[08:59] <Delvien> raphink i learn by jumping in , :)
[09:00] <raphink> I can't help you more Delvien 
[09:00] <raphink> I think the answer might be here
[09:00] <Delvien> k thnx
[09:00] <raphink> hi MenZa` 
[09:00] <MenZa`> Heya
[09:00] <Delvien> be where?
[09:00] <raphink> in this file conf
[09:01] <raphink> on my comp, I think $QTDIR should be /usr
[09:01] <raphink> maybe your $QTDIR is not well set
[09:02] <Delvien> raphink thats alright i think some of this guys code is broken, its not that popular , no one else refers it when i google it, so hey, ill just dump it and continue on my search
[09:03] <raphink> ok
[09:03] <lexhider> is there anything I can install or setup so I can visit: http://www.apple.com/au/ipodnano/features.html ???
[09:04] <Hobbsee> lexhider: it's coming up in firefox...
[09:04] <Hobbsee> oh...the shockwave bit?
[09:04] <raphink> flash can be installed on any browser
[09:05] <raphink> you have to install it in firefox first
[09:05] <Hobbsee> it's not flash, it's shockwave, i think...
[09:05] <raphink> and then set konqueror to use the firefox extension
[09:05] <Hobbsee> shockwave is the interactive one
[09:05] <raphink> bleh
[09:05] <lexhider> I have flash, I need shockwave?
[09:05] <Hobbsee> raphink: both products are made by macromedia, and shockwave does not have a linux version
[09:05] <Hobbsee> i think so, yes
[09:05] <raphink> argh
[09:05] <raphink> no battery in my mouse anymore :(
[09:05] <raphink> grr
[09:06] <Hobbsee> hang on...or is it asking for quicktime 7?
[09:06] <lexhider> not sure
[09:07] <Hobbsee> the bit in the middle of the ipod screen?
[09:07] <Hobbsee> that looks like quicktime
[09:07] <raphink> it's asking for quicktime
[09:07] <raphink> and it makes my konqueror crashing
[09:07] <Hobbsee> which, according to this, is also not avaliable for linux
[09:09] <lexhider> so is that a no to the initial Q?
[09:10] <raphink> ?
[09:10] <Hobbsee> yes, that is a no to the initial question, unless mplayer will play that file
[09:10] <Delvien> CpuFreq support not available. Check sysfs is mounted and your CPU-specific module is loaded or built in the kernel
[09:10] <Delvien> sigh...
[09:10] <raphink> Delvien: why don't you use something else ?
[09:10] <Delvien> how do i check that.. now my CPU isnt scaling at all
[09:11] <Delvien> raphink im not trying the knotebook anymore, this is emifreq, nothing friggen works.. KDE is shit for cpu scaling
[09:11] <raphink> like a superkaramba stuff
[09:11] <Delvien> raphink nothing will CONTROL the cpu scaling
[09:11] <raphink> oh you want to control the cpu
[09:11] <Delvien> raphink aye
[09:11] <raphink> then no idea
[09:12] <Delvien> raphink gnome had a applet called cpufreqd
[09:12] <raphink> never had to do such a thing
[09:12] <raphink> apt-cache search cpu | grep freq
[09:12] <Delvien> well my laptop is running at full speed all the time, on battery or no , which is a BIG no no for power consumption
[09:13] <raphink> Delvien: can't you use the gnome app?
[09:13] <Delvien> raphink it wont go in the taskbar
[09:14] <raphink> hmmm
[09:14] <Delvien> im looking for something tht will act exactly like the gnome version , where i can click on it , and choose the power mode
[09:14] <raphink> and emifreq won't work?
[09:15] <Delvien> raphink it gave me that error, like my CPU doesnt scale..
[09:15] <Delvien> CpuFreq support not available. Check sysfs is mounted and your CPU-specific module is loaded or built in the kernel
[09:15] <raphink> let us see
[09:16] <raphink> I get that too
[09:16] <raphink> Starting CPU frequency scaling daemon: CpuFreq support not available. Check sysfs is mounted and your CPU-specific module is loaded or built in the kernel.
[09:16] <raphink> invoke-rc.d: initscript emifreq-applet, action "start" failed.
[09:16] <Delvien> it installed fine on gnome,.
[09:16] <Delvien> but didnt work for gnome either
[09:16] <raphink> heh ;)
[09:16] <raphink> so that might be right
[09:16] <raphink> that you need to compile the support for CPU scaling
[09:18] <Delvien> eek how do i do that
[09:18] <raphink> well it seems you have to recompile the kernel
[09:18] <raphink> huhu
[09:18] <mornfall> hmm, shouldn't be neccessary?
[09:18] <Delvien> omg
[09:19] <mornfall> i mean, shipped kernels -should- support cpufreq
[09:19] <Delvien>  *bang head against table*
[09:19] <Hobbsee> that's assuming you cant set such things in your bios...
[09:19] <Hobbsee> although i suppose you dont have the option then
[09:20] <Delvien> Hobbsee it all works in gnome and windows, KDE is having problems with it, i dont know why, 
[09:20] <Delvien> not on a terminal base tho
[09:20] <Delvien> its all UI
[09:20] <Delvien> i think idk,.. im so frustrated
[09:20] <Delvien> cpudynd: CPU frequency control disabled
[09:21] <Hobbsee> Delvien: why not make the gnome app run itself everytime you login to kde?
[09:21] <Hobbsee> ie, the gnome app that controls it
[09:21] <Delvien> Hobbsee i want it in my taskbar is that possible?
[09:21] <Hobbsee> do you have gnome on your computer?
[09:22] <Delvien> hobbsee yes
[09:22] <Hobbsee> try starting it from kde then
[09:22] <Hobbsee> just see if it does go into your taskbar
[09:22] <Hobbsee> kopete goes into gnome taskbar, and i recall that usually works the other way too
[09:22] <Hobbsee> seeing as you arent forced to use only kde apps in kde and gnome apps in gnome
[09:23] <Hobbsee> Delvien: you on breezy or hoary?
[09:23] <Delvien> breezy
[09:23] <Hobbsee> ok
[09:24] <Hobbsee> the only reason i asked that was because the gtk - qt app thingo is installed in breezy by default, but not in hoary
[09:24] <Hobbsee> and i can never remember the name of the package lol
[09:26] <Delvien> somethings taking all my CPU grr
[09:27] <Delvien> klaptop is the most horrid thing ever.. omg
[09:35] <Delvien> im back but on gnome now
[09:35] <Delvien> let me give you a SS of what gnome does NATIVLEY , which KDE  should
[09:35] <Delvien> raphink u still there?
[09:39] <spiral> hi
[09:40] <Delvien> raphink this is what i want in KDE http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/Kahrgan/Screenshot.png AND http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/Kahrgan/Screenshot-1.png 
[09:47] <plbgnr> hello, I have amd64 proc; I installed kubuntu 5.04 i386 ...everything worked fine, then I installed same version kubuntu but for arch. amd64: and I have refresh rate 60Hz now (ATI gr. card) can anybody how to correct this ?(by i386 I had 85Hz refresh rate)
[09:52] <Delvien> Anything better than Klaptop?
[09:56] <azertyuuu> plbgnr: search for your monitor Horizon. and vertical rates and adjust it in your xorg.conf (in /usr/lib/X11 i think, i'm not sure) 
[09:57] <azertyuuu> plbgnr: there was also another command to set your  standard resolutions
[10:13] <flixor> wow amarok is using something like 40 procent of my cpu on a pentium 3 600 mhz is that normal
[10:15] <jpatrick> flixor: yep
[10:15] <flixor> my god, why is this app so cpu hungry jpatrick 
[10:15] <flixor> well i use xmms instead 
[10:15] <jpatrick> has some bugs
[10:16] <flixor> oh oke are they working on the solution 
[10:16] <jpatrick> ....
[10:16] <flixor> like xmms is only using something like 3-5 on a pentium 3 600 mhz 
[10:16] <flixor> anyway we will see in the future 
[10:16] <jpatrick> what version do you have?
[10:17] <flixor> what version of amarok 
[10:17] <flixor> ?
[10:17] <flixor> let me check 
[10:17] <Tm_T> 1.4-svn here
[10:18] <flixor> i have 1.3.1 
[10:18] <Tm_T> yu
[10:18] <jpatrick> flixor: http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.3.5.php
[10:18] <Tm_T> it IS buggy one
[10:20] <flixor> what the version wich i have Tm_T 
[10:20] <flixor> or the new one the 1.3.5
[10:20] <flixor> so let me install it jpatrick 
[10:20] <jpatrick> Tm_T has the SVN one
[10:21] <flixor> but jpatrick is that 1.3.5 using less cpu 
[10:22] <jpatrick> it is the lastest one
[10:23] <Tm_T> jpatrick: yup, very uptodate ;)
[10:28] <Delvien> where do i get this libqt3c102-mt
[10:28] <alvonsius> hello everyone here
[10:29] <jpatrick> alvonsius: hi
[10:29] <alvonsius> libqt3c102-mt --> is the topic is about mysqlcc ???
[10:30] <Delvien> its about a laptop control app
[10:30] <alvonsius> oh I see
[10:30] <Delvien> any idea how to get it ? its not in 
[10:31] <Delvien> adept
[10:31] <mth`MAW> Hi guys
[10:33] <alvonsius> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/libs/libqt3c102-mt --> but it's for hoary
[10:34] <Tm_T> alvonsius: different package replaces it in breezy
[10:34] <alvonsius> yup
[10:34] <alvonsius> Tm_t : you right
[10:34] <flixor> well with the new amarok is using 15 % so that is something like 25 % less cpu power but still a log comparing to xmms 
[10:34] <mth`MAW> Somebidy here knowing something aoubt tetex?
[10:35] <Prague2> hello everybody :)
[10:35] <mth`MAW> Sorry, I do have cold Fingers... 
[10:36] <mth`MAW> Once again:
[10:36] <mth`MAW> Does somebody knows anything about the tetex package?
[10:36] <_xuniL> flixor you useing xine engie?
[10:36] <flixor> ehm no i was talking about amarok 
[10:36] <_xuniL> k
[10:37] <_xuniL> then iam useing amarok with gstreamer i have like 50-60 %cpu
[10:37] <_xuniL> then useing xine 25-30
[10:37] <_xuniL> so its a big difference but amarok is still useing to much cpu
[10:38] <stratovarius> guys who did install nvidia drivers for kubuntu breezy?
[10:38] <_xuniL> who = how?
[10:39] <stratovarius> yes srry
[10:39] <stratovarius> how to install that drivers
[10:39] <stratovarius> *those
[10:39] <_xuniL> gett nvidia-glx
[10:40] <Delvien> why cant ONE COMPILE GO RIGH T., /shoots himself in the face
[10:41] <flixor> why is kubuntu shipped with an old not supported version of exim 
[10:41] <flixor> exim3
[10:41] <flixor> ??
[10:41] <Prague2> hi guys i have a problem with klaptop and acpi...though i think acpi is working i'm not able to watch my battery status and if i'm charging :/ anyone with the same problem?
[10:41] <_xuniL> stratovarius http://ubuntuguide.org/ look here
[10:42] <lunitik> flixor: umm... Kubuntu/Ubuntu-base uses Postfix
[10:42] <flixor> oke i understand 
[10:42] <flixor> thanks lunitik 
[10:42] <lunitik> flixor: apt-cache show exim4   :/
[10:42] <TheEdge> hello all
[10:43] <TheEdge> I am a newbie to Ubuntu but not to Linux
[10:43] <TheEdge> I have installed kubuntu-desktop as described in the Wiki
[10:44] <TheEdge> however after getting a kdm login screen it appears that my desktop reverts back to Gnome
[10:44] <Delvien> does konquerer have a "history"?
[10:44] <TheEdge> (As I come from a console background I *think* it is still Gnome as it still looks the same after an initial Ubuntu install
[10:44] <lunitik> TheEdge: Session > KDE from KDM 
[10:44] <lunitik> Delvien: yes
[10:45] <lunitik> Anyone know how to configure the default Kopete behavior manually?
[10:45] <Delvien> lunitik how do i get too it, i must be blind
[10:45] <lunitik> Delvien: logout... bottem left corner
[10:46] <Delvien> lunitik log out??
[10:46] <TheEdge> lunitik - thanks - trying that
[10:46] <lunitik> should be at least... I'm not looking at a KDM login window  :/
[10:46] <lunitik> Delvien: umm yeah... you go back to KDM... and you select KDE from the Sessions menu  :/
[10:46] <Delvien> lunitik o you werent talking to me
[10:46] <TheEdge> lunitik - ahhhh much better
[10:46] <Delvien> llunitik no no , i was wondering where the history was in konqerer
[10:47] <lunitik> Delvien: ahhh... my mistake
[10:47] <TheEdge> so now how do I safely get rid of Gnome and go into KDE by default without having to make sure the profile is selected first
[10:48] <Delvien> Anyone have the link to the WIKI on checkinstall?
[10:49] <lunitik> Delvien: Debian doesn't use checkinstall
[10:49] <alvonsius> TheEdge: get rid of Gnome??? Do you mean really get rid it or just by default log into KDE??
[10:50] <TheEdge> both
[10:50] <TheEdge> I have no use for it now that I have KDE installed
[10:50] <alvonsius> wew ...
[10:50] <TheEdge> so is it apt-get remove gnome?
[10:50] <Delvien> dont remove gnome
[10:50] <TheEdge> (no point having 2 display managers)
[10:50] <lunitik> TheEdge: apt-get remove --purge libgtk2.0-0 should remove everything related to gnome
[10:50] <alvonsius> re-install ubuntu and replace it with kubuntu??? .lol.
[10:50] <Delvien> just let it be
[10:50] <TheEdge> y not?
[10:50] <TheEdge> alvonsius - ;-)
[10:50] <lunitik> alvonsius: thats retarded  :/
[10:51] <lunitik> TheEdge: easiest way is to "sudo apt-get install debfoster && sudo debfoster"
[10:51] <TheEdge> what is debfoster?
[10:51] <Delvien> lunitik then whats the command for auto-apt to get it started? the checkinstall wiki is the one i was looking for so i can read. BUT for god sakes let it be easy to find on the web... god forbid.
[10:51] <lunitik> Say yes to anything related to kubuntu-desktop, and ubuntu-base... but no to ubuntu-desktop
[10:51] <TheEdge> never heard of that package?
[10:52] <lunitik> TheEdge: just install it   :/
[10:52] <TheEdge> ;-) OK and will read the man page
[10:53] <lunitik> TheEdge: say yes to ubuntu-base, kubuntu-desktop, linux-386, and grub... no to everything else
[10:54] <lunitik> Riddell: apokryphos ping
[10:54] <TheEdge> lunitik - doing that now
[10:54] <TheEdge> how about "update-notifier" keep that?
[10:55] <lunitik> no
[10:55] <lunitik> its a gnome app
[10:55] <TheEdge> update-manager?
[10:55] <lunitik> no... same reason
[10:56] <TheEdge> hal-device-manager?
[10:56] <stratovarius> does no one speak italian here?
[10:56] <lunitik> no... same reason
[10:56] <lunitik> stratovarius: no
[10:56] <Delvien> TheEdge look at the command in your smeg, if it has GTK or gnome in it , its gnome.
[10:56] <stratovarius> :(
[10:56] <TheEdge> the hardware abstraction layer is gnome specific?
[10:57] <lunitik> TheEdge: no... but hal-device-manager is the app gnome uses to let you browse hardware
[10:57] <TheEdge> OK
[10:58] <stratovarius> guys I dont speack enlish very well. I have a problem with my video card and I found a web page to solve the problem. who can help me step by step reading that HOW TO?
[10:58] <lunitik> TheEdge: ubuntu-base includes everything related to hal that you need...
[10:58] <stratovarius> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=58504
[10:58] <TheEdge> ubuntu-standard?
[10:58] <stratovarius> here is the link
[10:58] <lunitik> TheEdge: no point
[10:58] <lunitik> TheEdge: doesn't depend on much useful afaik
[10:58] <TheEdge> k
[10:59] <lunitik> ubotu: tell stratovarius about binaryhardware
[10:59] <lunitik> ubotu: tell stratovarius about nvidia
[11:01] <stratovarius> guys I've alkready used that guide
[11:01] <lunitik> amu: ping
[11:01] <TheEdge> hope this works..... ;-)
[11:01] <stratovarius> I need help with this how to http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=58504
[11:02] <lunitik> stratovarius: what don't you get?
[11:03] <stratovarius> lunitik: I'm not able to translate that page so I need help 
[11:04] <stratovarius> here I can tell you If I understand or not
[11:04] <lunitik> stratovarius: I'm unable to translate it for you either  :/
[11:04] <stratovarius> but I cant talk with the guide :D
[11:04] <stratovarius> lunitik:u dont have to translate but to guide me step by step if u want
[11:05] <lunitik> stratovarius: I don't the patients, or the time
[11:05] <stratovarius> k
[11:05] <stratovarius> :(
[11:06] <TheEdge> will www.google.com/translate help
[11:06] <TheEdge> ?
[11:19] <GeMMa> hi people
[11:19] <jpatrick> GeMMa: hi
[11:19] <GeMMa> who does use direct connect?
[11:19] <GeMMa> i've installe dc gui
[11:19] <GeMMa> who has?
[11:19] <GeMMa> *installed
[11:19] <GeMMa> jpatrick, what do u have?
[11:20] <Delvien> How do you add a downloaded app to the taskbar. 
[11:20] <GeMMa> helloooooooooooooo
[11:20] <GeMMa> help me please
[11:21] <GeMMa> :
[11:21] <GeMMa> do u use direct connect
[11:21] <GeMMa> ?
[11:21] <GeMMa> to dl files?
[11:21] <GeMMa> !tell GeMMa about dc
[11:21] <GeMMa> !tell GeMMa about direct connect
[11:22] <GeMMa> !tell GeMMa about p2p
[11:24] <GeMMa> can u give me a site
[11:24] <GeMMa> wher i can find infos
[11:24] <GeMMa> bout most common programs used in linux?
[11:24] <GeMMa> help 
[11:24] <GeMMa> me
[11:24] <GeMMa> !!!
[11:24] <ubotu> methinks ! is what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[11:25] <Chousuke> GeMMa: There are no good DC apps for Linux.
[11:25] <GeMMa> and so
[11:25] <GeMMa> ?
[11:25] <GeMMa> we cant use it?
[11:25] <Chousuke> sure you can
[11:25] <Chousuke> but the clients suck
[11:26] <GeMMa> have u ever tried dc gui?
[11:26] <Chousuke> linux-dc++ is still SVN-only :p
[11:26] <Chousuke> yes.
[11:26] <Chousuke> it sucked.
[11:26] <GeMMa> that is?
[11:26] <GeMMa> Chousuke, i do no how to dl hub list
[11:27] <GeMMa> what do i do
[11:27] <GeMMa> ?
[11:27] <Chousuke> Go to a site which has the hub list and download it? :p
[11:27] <Chousuke> Also see http://linuxdcpp.berlios.de/articles.php?um=index
[11:28] <Delvien> what is this 6 copies of GETTY in my preccess table?
[11:28] <Delvien> process*
[11:28] <GeMMa> Chousuke, ok tnx
[11:28] <Chousuke> Delvien: virtual ttys
[11:29] <GeMMa> but that site is not a hub list
[11:29] <GeMMa> site
[11:29] <NutterUK> google
[11:29] <Chousuke> well, hublist.org? :p
[11:29] <Delvien> chousuke so something i should trash :P ?
[11:29] <Chousuke> or whatever it was.
[11:29] <GeMMa> !tell GeMMa about ktorrent
[11:29] <Chousuke> Delvien: no.
[11:29] <Delvien> hehe i was jk :P
[11:29] <GeMMa> Chousuke, ok
[11:32] <GeMMa> people what bout torrent clients?
[11:32] <GeMMa> do u all use  ktorrent?
[11:33] <jpatrick> I do
[11:36] <GeMMa> wher do u usally serch ur torrents?
[11:36] <GeMMa> *search
[11:36] <GeMMa> jpatrick, 
[11:37] <jpatrick> nowhere
[11:39] <GeMMa> that means?
[11:39] <GeMMa> u search in ktorrent?
[11:39] <jpatrick> You can
[11:39] <GeMMa> how do u search?
[11:39] <GeMMa> make me understand please
[11:40] <GeMMa> ;)
[11:40] <jpatrick> There's a Search tab
[11:40] <GeMMa> usually how do u find a torrent?
[11:41] <jpatrick> GeMMa: I don't
[11:42] <GeMMa> 'cause u dont dl whit torrents?
[11:42] <GeMMa> ok
[11:42] <GeMMa> let's talk
[11:43] <GeMMa> bout other things
[11:43] <GeMMa> people i have a pc whit 800mhz and 128 mB of ram
[11:44] <GeMMa> what could be the correct desktop and window manager 
[11:44] <GeMMa> ???
[11:44] <GeMMa> where can i find info?
[11:45] <_mindspin> hi, I have the artsd bug with kde3.5 beta, I try to follow this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems
[11:46] <_mindspin> can any one explain what the "beta1" repositiries are
[11:55] <tapanim> how to rename multiple files? 
[11:55] <jpatrick> tapanim: Use KName
[11:56] <tapanim> jpatrick: do you know how it goes in terminal?
[11:56] <jpatrick> no..
[11:56] <tapanim> :/
[11:56] <thoreauputic> tapanim: there's a CLI utility called "rename"
[11:56] <thoreauputic> man rename to see what it does
[11:57] <tapanim> it's not so simple, i think
[11:57] <tapanim> i tried...
[11:57] <_mindspin> what do you wanna do tapanim ?
[11:58] <thoreauputic> GeMMa: that could handle gnome - but you might be happier with xfce4 ( install xubuntu-desktop )
[11:58] <tapanim> _mindspin: i have ca. 50 pics, and i should rename those like a1,a1 and so on
[11:59] <tapanim> and i'm not on my computer...
[11:59] <tapanim> :/
[11:59] <_mindspin> have you tried rename?
[11:59] <tapanim> yes,  but not working right...
[12:00] <_mindspin> play around with some examples
[12:00] <_mindspin> I have the artsd bug with kde3.5 beta, I try to follow this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems
[12:00] <_mindspin> can any one explain what the "beta1" repositiries are
[12:01] <_mindspin> I try to downgrade libarts
[12:01] <tapanim> rename .jpg a *.jpg
[12:02] <tapanim> some said it goes like that, but it just paste that after it :/
[12:02] <tapanim> then pics are like 11_03_05a.jpg
[12:03] <_mindspin> man rename
[12:03] <tapanim> :/
[12:03] <tapanim> maybe i do it then when i'm home :/
[12:11] <GeMMa> thoreauputic, can u tell me further info?
[12:11] <GeMMa> about xface?
[12:11] <Tm_T> _mindspin: well done =)
[12:11] <thoreauputic> GeMMa:  well, you can find out more at http://xwinman.org
[12:12] <GeMMa> but in general a low pc ehat must/sholud have?
[12:12] <GeMMa> in general
[12:12] <GeMMa> ?
[12:12] <thoreauputic> GeMMa: it's lighter on resources than KDE/Gnome and loks a bit like a mac desktop
[12:12] <GeMMa> taht one?
[12:12] <thoreauputic> GeMMa: how low end?
[12:12] <thoreauputic> oh you mentioned that sorry
[12:13] <thoreauputic> xfce4 will be more responsive on that machine
[12:13] <thoreauputic> note that you want xfce4 *not* xfce
[12:13] <thoreauputic> xfce4 is the recent one (much nicer)
[12:14] <thoreauputic> best way to get it is to install xubuntu-desktop (on breezy 5.10)
[12:14] <GeMMa> what 'sd xubuntu?
[12:14] <GeMMa> what s that?
[12:14] <GeMMa> a dsktop manager?
[12:14] <thoreauputic> it's just a name for ubuntu with xfce4 and some extras :)
[12:15] <thoreauputic> like "kubuntu-desktop" for a KDE ubuntu
[12:17] <GeMMa> so i launch Adept
[12:17] <GeMMa> and look for it
[12:17] <GeMMa> ok?
[12:18] <GeMMa> or is synaptic better?
[12:20] <jpatrick> GeMMa: no
[12:21] <GeMMa> which is better?
[12:21] <GeMMa> i found adaptec d better one
[12:22] <GeMMa> do u?
[12:23] <thoreauputic> GeMMa: xubuntu-desktop is in universe repo I think
[12:23] <GeMMa> jpatrick, r u there?
[12:23] <thoreauputic> !info xubuntu-desktop
[12:23] <ubotu> xubuntu-desktop: (Xubuntu desktop system), section universe/misc, is optional. Version: 1.4 (breezy), Packaged size: 5 kB, Installed size: 32 kB
[12:23] <GeMMa> i mean in general way do u use adaptec or syanptic?
[12:24] <thoreauputic> GeMMa: whatever you feel more comfortable with - adept *or* synaptic
[12:24] <thoreauputic> they both do the same things really
[12:24] <thoreauputic> synaptic is a bit more advanced and complex perhaps
[12:25] <thoreauputic> they are both pretty fronts for the apt/dpkg system for packages
[12:27] <GeMMa> ok
[12:27] <GeMMa> tnx
[12:33] <GeMMa> people
[12:33] <GeMMa> but
[12:33] <GeMMa> when i pass to xfce4
[12:33] <GeMMa> i wont have anymore kubuntu
[12:33] <GeMMa> but ubuntu?
[12:33] <GeMMa> am i right?
[12:33] <apokryphos> !enter
[12:33] <ubotu> don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It's annoying and spams the channel. Write in complete sentences and keep your replies and questions on one line if possible. Thanks!
[12:34] <GeMMa> so i wont be able to use kde progs?
[12:34] <GeMMa> ok sorry
[12:34] <GeMMa> !commands
[12:34] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, commands is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/
[12:34] <apokryphos> you will still have all the kde applications
[12:34] <GeMMa> but what will be the difference?
[12:35] <GeMMa> only the speed of desktop?
[12:35] <apokryphos> the difference will be that you'll have the option to login to xfce
[12:35] <apokryphos> you mean what's the difference between the two desktop environments? Quite a lot.
[12:37] <GeMMa> i ve a low pc
[12:37] <GeMMa> 128 mB of ram
[12:37] <GeMMa> what do u suggest to do
[12:37] <GeMMa> other nice people have suggested me xfce4
[12:37] <GeMMa> and i'm whatching
[12:37] <GeMMa> it
[12:38] <apokryphos> my suggestion is try them both out, and see which you prefer
[12:39] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I suggested installing xubuntu-desktop - and I agree , try both
[12:39] <apokryphos> yup
[12:39] <GeMMa> sorry
[12:39] <thoreauputic> GeMMa: you can have both on the machine -you choose between them when you log in in the sessions
[12:39] <GeMMa> what should i do?
[12:40] <GeMMa> install xfce4
[12:40] <thoreauputic> just try it
[12:40] <thoreauputic> :)
[12:40] <GeMMa> or xubuntu?
[12:40] <GeMMa> :
[12:40] <apokryphos> GeMMa: installing xubuntu-desktop is better -- it'll bring in all the things you need for xfce etc
[12:40] <thoreauputic> no harm in having both
[12:40] <GeMMa> :(
[12:40] <GeMMa> i install xubuntu
[12:40] <GeMMa> i'll make u know
[12:40] <GeMMa> ok?
[12:40] <thoreauputic> GeMMa:  1) Install kubuntu  2) then install xubuntu-desktop
[12:40] <GeMMa> wait
[12:41] <GeMMa> i already have kubnutu
[12:41] <apokryphos> then you know what to do next
[12:41] <thoreauputic> OK  then just install xubuntu-desktop  :)
[12:41] <GeMMa> tnx 4 all people
[12:41] <GeMMa> tht's a good support channel
[12:41] <GeMMa> !!
[12:41] <ubotu> [!]  what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[12:42] <thoreauputic> GeMMa: no problem - we're here to help :)
[12:42] <GeMMa> ;)
[12:42] <GeMMa> where ar u from peolpe?
[12:43] <thoreauputic> GeMMa:  Australia 
[12:44] <GeMMa> us?
[12:44] <GeMMa> i'm italian
[12:44] <GeMMa> u?
[12:44] <GeMMa> oh
[12:44] <GeMMa> nice country
[12:45] <GeMMa> but not very near
[12:45] <GeMMa> !!!!
[12:45] <ubotu> GeMMa: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[12:45] <GeMMa> oh
[12:45] <GeMMa> nice country
[12:45] <GeMMa> but not very near
[12:46] <GeMMa> !!!!
[12:46] <ubotu> GeMMa: I don't know, could you explain it?
[12:46] <jpatrick> GeMMa: don't worry ubotu is a bot
[12:46] <apokryphos> !enter
[12:46] <ubotu> don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It's annoying and spams the channel. Write in complete sentences and keep your replies and questions on one line if possible. Thanks!
[12:46] <GeMMa> i saw
[12:46] <GeMMa> jpatrick,  wher r u from?
[12:47] <jpatrick> England
[12:47] <Korio> hey
[12:47] <GeMMa> which city?
[12:47] <jpatrick> Korio: hi
[12:47] <Korio> how do i start the kde wizard?
[12:47] <jpatrick> GeMMa: London
[12:47] <Korio> it didnt show up when i installed kubuntu
[12:48] <GeMMa> which zone?
[12:48] <GeMMa> i'm courious
[12:48] <jpatrick> South-East
[12:48] <GeMMa> taht is?
[12:48] <GeMMa> kenmt?
[12:48] <GeMMa> kent?
[12:48] <apokryphos> Korio: those wizards are generally annoying
[12:48] <apokryphos> Korio: but you can alt+f2 -> kpersonalizer
[12:48] <jpatrick> GeMMa: Greenwich
[12:48] <GeMMa> ok
[12:49] <Korio> apokryphos: nope command not found
[12:49] <apokryphos> Korio: are you sure you're typing it correctly?
[12:49] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: he's right - it doesn't appear to be there here either
[12:49] <thoreauputic> ah!
[12:50] <Korio> im typing it right
[12:50] <thoreauputic> the  Z gets me each time
[12:50] <apokryphos> Korio: how did you install kubuntu, then?
[12:50] <Korio> apokryphos: default install
[12:50] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: hmm - not installed here (command not found)
[12:50] <apokryphos> well, kdebase depends on it :/
[12:50] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: but I di the kubuntu-desktop thing
[12:51] <apokryphos> hm
[12:51] <GeMMa> people but, are u paid to talk in this chan?
[12:51] <Korio> hm
[12:51] <apokryphos> ok, apt-get it then
[12:51] <thoreauputic> GeMMa: no
[12:51] <GeMMa> its free
[12:51] <Korio> lol
[12:51] <thoreauputic> GeMMa: we just are part of the community like you
[12:51] <Korio> paid? lol
[12:52] <GeMMa> lol to u
[12:52] <GeMMa> korio
[12:52] <AsTrO_> you know a channel hispano ??
[12:52] <GeMMa> spanish channel
[12:52] <AsTrO_> yes
[12:52] <GeMMa> just search in ur client
[12:52] <apokryphos> AsTrO_: #kubuntu-es
[12:52] <GeMMa> list channels
[12:52] <AsTrO_> thank
[12:52] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: could you /msg me the output of apt-cache depends kdebase?
[12:53] <GeMMa> who is not english here?
[12:53] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: separate package it seems
[12:53] <AsTrO_> my
[12:53] <AsTrO_> xD
[12:53] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: dpkg -l shows
[12:53] <thoreauputic> un  kpersonalizer                    <none>                           (no description available)
[12:53] <GeMMa> AsTrO_, u are spanish?
[12:53] <Korio> i apt-get it and it worked fine
[12:53] <AsTrO_> yes 
[12:53] <AsTrO_> i cam from chile
[12:53] <Korio> but if kde would depend on it it would more than likely be installed by default (lol)
[12:54] <GeMMa> i mi ta
[12:54] <GeMMa> i am italian 
[12:54] <GeMMa> sorry
[12:54] <AsTrO_> cool
[12:54] <GeMMa> u know italian
[12:54] <GeMMa> ?
[12:54] <AsTrO_> no =(
[12:54] <AsTrO_> but i like
[12:54] <AsTrO_> so much
[12:54] <AsTrO_> xD
[12:55] <GeMMa> who other people are not english here?
[12:55] <AsTrO_> i have problem of synaptic
[12:55] <AsTrO_> :S
[12:55] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: sent
[12:55] <Hazel> spain
[12:55] <GeMMa> i like spain
[12:55] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: yup, it's there; not sure how it'd not be installed :/
[12:55] <Hazel> ;)
[12:56] <jpatrick> Hazel: why aren't you in #kubuntu-es ? ;)
[12:56] <Hazel> GeMMa, what means Vista in italian
[12:56] <Korio> is the new kde beta stable?
[12:56] <Hazel> i have been there sometimes
[12:57] <thoreauputic> well, it isn't - as you see from my output of dpkg -l above
[12:57] <Korio> is the new kde beta stable?
[12:57] <LeeJunFan> Korio: no - it's beta.
[12:57] <Korio> no shit
[12:58] <AsTrO_> plop
[12:58] <Korio> i was wondering how stable it was
[12:58] <GeMMa> Hazel, vista=sight
[12:58] <GeMMa> but its also past participle of verb to see
[12:58] <LeeJunFan> Korio: well, as the beta name applies... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems
[12:59] <GeMMa> so it also means  seen (female)
[12:59] <GeMMa> male=Visto
[12:59] <Hazel> GeMMa, like in spanish. I have heard that it means something like "shit" in italian
[12:59] <GeMMa> shit=merda
[12:59] <Hazel> puta merda
[12:59] <Hazel> ;DDD
[01:00] <GeMMa> de puta madre
[01:00] <GeMMa> hijo de puta
[01:00] <Hazel> ma que puta merda!!!
[01:00] <LeeJunFan> Hazel: that would make sense then, so it's a big steaming pile of beta.
[01:00] <Hazel> yes, it seems to be a great vaporware
[01:01] <LeeJunFan> Hazel: haha
[01:01] <Hazel> perfect for clusters
[01:06] <LeeJunFan> also prone to worms.
[01:06] <Korio> kubuntu seems to be using  252 mb ram without running anything
[01:06] <Korio> is that normal? lol
[01:07] <LeeJunFan> Korio: not really. is that before or after figuring in buffers?
[01:07] <thoreauputic> Korio: that's misleading - most of that is buffers and cache
[01:07] <Korio> you shure?
[01:07] <Korio> because i only have 256 mb ram
[01:07] <Korio> :O
[01:07] <LeeJunFan> Korio: run free from a shell
[01:08] <LeeJunFan> Korio: then look at the 3rd row 2nd column.
[01:08] <Korio> Mem:        256800     251688       5112          0      32428     105960
[01:08] <Korio> -/+ buffers/cache:     113300     143500
[01:08] <Korio> Swap:       602396      19296     583100
[01:08] <LeeJunFan> it's using 113K
[01:08] <Korio> is that normal?
[01:08] <LeeJunFan> yeah.
[01:09] <Korio> okay..
[01:09] <Korio> is 256 mb enough?
[01:09] <Korio> I cannot afford to buy more ram
[01:09] <Korio> :(
[01:10] <thoreauputic> Korio: it's plenty
[01:10] <Korio> on XP its way to slow
[01:10] <thoreauputic> Korio: I ran hoary on less than that
[01:10] <Korio> though
[01:10] <LeeJunFan> Korio: I guess it'll have to be. :) You can go into your kde settings and turn off or down a lot of the extra features and graphics, all they eye candy crap.
[01:11] <Korio> i have already done that
[01:11] <thoreauputic> Korio: depends how fast you think fast is ;)
[01:11] <Korio> i think...
[01:11] <Korio> well i often have lotso of browser windows upen
[01:11] <Korio> lol
[01:11] <LeeJunFan> Korio: make sure in konqueror settings that it's not set to preload.
[01:11] <flixor> why not LeeJunFan 
[01:11] <flixor> i have that set 
[01:12] <LeeJunFan> flixor: it uses more ram, if you have it that's fine.
[01:12] <Korio> where do i do that?
[01:12] <flixor> kee i have something about 512
[01:12] <Korio> is it
[01:12] <Korio> "load an instance after kde start" ?
[01:12] <LeeJunFan> Korio: in kcontrol -> kde components -> kde performance
[01:13] <LeeJunFan> Korio: yep, uncheck theat if checked.
[01:13] <Korio> its off by default
[01:13] <Korio> then its "minimize memory usage"
[01:13] <Korio> im using swedish kde so the names may not be exact
[01:14] <LeeJunFan> yep, which by default isn't on. So you can check that too.
[01:14] <Korio> "only on filebrowse"  or "always" ?
[01:15] <LeeJunFan> Korio: you can do always, but just beware that if a webpage crashes konqueror then it'll take with it any open filebrowsers you have running too.
[01:15] <Korio> im used to that since firefox
[01:15] <Korio> lol
[01:15] <Korio> i also wonder wich services can i disable?
[01:16] <Korio> i noted that "KDE konquer preload module" is running. i thought it was off by default?
[01:17] <Korio> LeeJunFan: 
[01:18] <LeeJunFan> Korio: some of those are loaded simply so people don't get confused as to why the features doesn't work after they enable it I think.
[01:19] <Korio> i want to disable some, like printing modules and stuff
[01:19] <Korio> so i can run at faster speed :p
[01:19] <LeeJunFan> Korio: run 'top' and hit capital M, it'll sort everything by how much mem it's using - might help you find other things.
[01:20] <NutterUK> can someone help me install a lexmark printer. dont know where to start
[01:20] <Korio> LeeJunFan: cool but that only shows things i've seen before, im looking to disable some unneeded modules
[01:23] <LeeJunFan> NutterUK: if you need a ppd driver file check linuxprinting.org
[01:23] <NutterUK> LeeJunFan:  thanks ill look it up now
[01:23] <LeeJunFan> NutterUK: if you can't find one there it's probably not supported.
[01:24] <NutterUK> LeeJunFan: thanks
[01:24] <Korio> LeeJunFan: cool but that only shows things i've seen before, im looking to disable some unneeded modules
[01:25] <GeMMa> peple i installed xubuntu
[01:25] <GeMMa> and now?
[01:25] <LeeJunFan> Korio: of course KDE is pretty memory exhaustive by itself simply because it's so full featured, all those features eat up ram, if ram is more important than your desktop environment you could try a minimal desktop like blackbox
[01:25] <GeMMa> when i ll star a new session i'll choose xfce?
[01:26] <Korio> GeMMa: logout and then session>xfce and login
[01:26] <Korio> LeeJunFan: i just want to disable some stuff that i dont know
[01:26] <Korio> LeeJunFan: i just want to disable some stuff that i dont *need
[01:27] <Korio> and i have run xfce and fluxbox but they are too time demanding
[01:27] <GeMMa> ok
[01:27] <GeMMa> tnx bye
[01:27] <LeeJunFan> Korio: yeah, I agree. That's why I like KDE over all the others, I get stuff done faster because it's the most complete desktop.
[01:27] <GeMMa> !tell GeMMa xfce4
[01:28] <GeMMa> !tell GeMMa about xfce4
[01:28] <GeMMa> !tell GeMMa about xfce
[01:28] <Korio> LeeJunFan: yep this is why i choosed to install kubuntu, and i thought that every memory tweak is for some help right
[01:29] <LeeJunFan> Korio: yeah, you'll get by fine with most things w/o swapping to disk much, until you load openoffice anyway.
[01:30] <Korio> LeeJunFan: i guess i'll have to make due with abiword. but isnt there some modules i can turn off? :( for example cups and stuff i dont have a printer
[01:31] <LeeJunFan> Korio: yeah, man update-rc.d, anything in /etc/rc2.d that starts with S is being started on boot, you can disable many of those by deleting the links you see there.
[02:03] <flixor> ehm question my sound is very soft how can i change that i alread put the volume at maximum and the volume at maximum in the app 
[02:08] <LeeJunFan> flixor: did you open the mixer and set PCM volume high also?
[02:12] <flixor> yes 
[02:12] <flixor> LeeJunFan, i did put the pcmvolume allso on high 
[02:17] <endo602> can someone help me with a USB automount?
[02:21] <mts^> does it ot automount?
[02:22] <mts^> not*
[02:22] <hanseatic> hi...
[02:22] <GeMMa> hi
[02:22] <GeMMa> i m in xfce
[02:22] <GeMMa> it s different also in disposition of taskbar
[02:23] <GeMMa> and there is not the kick bar
[02:23] <GeMMa> u knew
[02:23] <GeMMa> ???
[02:25] <hanseatic> i just installed kubuntu 5.10... after login to kde i tried to load adept, or the updater, or kuser, but after typing the su password it gives the error, that it cannot connect to su
[02:25] <hanseatic> what is wrong?
[02:25] <apokryphos> GeMMa: is there a reason for why you can't apparently use punctuation?
[02:26] <apokryphos> !tell hanseatic about sudo
[02:26] <GeMMa> have u tried to type in not root passwd but user passwd?
[02:26] <GeMMa> maybe its that one!
[02:26] <GeMMa> apokryphos, am i right?
[02:26] <hanseatic> to be quite honest, root pw and user pw are equal ;o)
[02:27] <GeMMa> i have changed rpswd
[02:27] <GeMMa> root pswd
[02:27] <GeMMa> sorry
[02:27] <apokryphos> they're not the same
[02:27] <apokryphos> hanseatic: so you're saying it's asking for the root pass instead of user pass?
[02:28] <GeMMa> when i installed kubuntu i wasnt asked a root passwd
[02:28] <GeMMa> then i typed sudo passdw root in a shell
[02:28] <GeMMa> and set it
[02:28] <apokryphos> there's no reason to have a root password, really
[02:28] <jpatrick> GeMMa: you could of used sudo
[02:28] <hanseatic> well, it asked for a password. during installation i was asked for a su passwd and a user password.... i entered the same word for both
[02:28] <apokryphos> !tell GeMMa about sudo
[02:28] <apokryphos> hanseatic: no, you were not
[02:29] <apokryphos> if you were, you certainly weren't installing Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[02:29] <hanseatic> i already tried to : su (enter) passwd (enter) newword (enter) newword in a tty
[02:30] <apokryphos> on a new install of ubuntu typing su, you wouldn't get anywhere
[02:30] <apokryphos> the root account is disabled -- the pass is scrambled
[02:30] <jpatrick> like eggs...
[02:31] <tapanim> how to rename multiple files?
[02:31] <hanseatic> now, how could i enter adapt??
[02:32] <apokryphos> tapanim: install krename
[02:32] <jpatrick> hanseatic: click on it
[02:32] <hanseatic> it asks for a password... !
[02:32] <apokryphos> hanseatic: enter your USER password
[02:32] <jpatrick> hanseatic: your password
[02:32] <apokryphos> if there's an error, let us know it
[02:32] <tapanim> apokryphos: thanks
[02:33] <hanseatic> i enter MY password, however it appears incorrect... when i login into kde it works though
[02:34] <apokryphos> what's the exact error?
[02:34] <hanseatic> the error is in german... it says, that it failed to contact to su
[02:34] <apokryphos> hanseatic: you got your entire kde from the repositories? or from the CD?
[02:34] <jpatrick> hanseatic: probably because you enabled root
[02:34] <apokryphos> enabling root shouldn't give the error, still
[02:35] <hanseatic> do you suggest reinstalling???
[02:35] <apokryphos> obviously not
[02:35] <apokryphos> I'd suggest you kind of answer the questions ;-)
[02:35] <hanseatic> i have a root shell (#) on a tty... i can passwd there
[02:36] <hanseatic> what question???
[02:36] <apokryphos> why would you do that?
[02:36] <apokryphos> about the 5 ones I asked
[02:36] <hanseatic> i dont know, what came from the cd, and what from the net
[02:36] <apokryphos> hanseatic: but you used all of kubuntu's packages?
[02:36] <apokryphos> kind of sounds like you didn't
[02:37] <hanseatic> the installation asked if it should load non free packages, and downgraded ones.... i always answered yes
[02:39] <hanseatic> i can login as root in a console
[02:39] <hanseatic> how can i deactivate root again?
[02:39] <apokryphos> there is no need to do that
[02:39] <apokryphos> and equally no reason to have it
[02:39] <jpatrick> sudo passwd -l
[02:40] <apokryphos> hanseatic: alt+f2 -> kdesu adept  ...gives?
[02:40] <hanseatic> please enter your password
[02:41] <apokryphos> hanseatic: so enter it, and then...?
[02:41] <hanseatic> contact to su failed
[02:42] <apokryphos> sounds to me like you don't have the patched kdesu :/
[02:42] <hanseatic> hmmm....
[02:42] <apokryphos> hanseatic: can you verify that you have kdebase-bin installed? What does dpkg -l|grep kdebase-bin  give?
[02:44] <hanseatic> ii  kdebase-bin                           3.4.3-0ubuntu4                     core binaries for the KDE base module
[02:44] <GeMMa> people why cant i use ktorrent under xfce?
[02:44] <GeMMa> what client may i use?
[02:45] <hanseatic> i need to reboot... ill be back
[02:45] <apokryphos> hanseatic: one sec
[02:45] <hanseatic> k...
[02:46] <hanseatic> i guess i tried to enter the passwd too often, now it does not even ask for a passwd, but says: su reported an error
[02:46] <apokryphos> hanseatic: ok, enable the breezy-updates repository and sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kdebase-bin
[02:47] <apokryphos> kdebase-bin was one pack updated, at least
[02:47] <hanseatic> how would i do that.... irying to comprehend....
[02:47] <apokryphos> actually! Even better...
[02:48] <apokryphos> grab this http://kubuntu.org/~jr/tmp/kdebase-bin_3.4.3-0ubuntu6_i386.deb
[02:48] <apokryphos> and install it
[02:49] <hanseatic> guys... im totally lost
[02:49] <apokryphos> hanseatic: in a terminal:  wget http://kubuntu.org/~jr/tmp/kdebase-bin_3.4.3-0ubuntu6_i386.deb && sudo dpkg -i kdebase-bin*.deb
[02:50] <LeeJunFan> GeMMa: btdownloadgui I think.
[02:52] <hanseatic> ok... what next?
[02:52] <GeMMa> how can i do to know what's the correct prog?
[02:52] <hanseatic> many thanx for your help by the way
[02:52] <apokryphos> hanseatic: any errors?
[02:53] <hanseatic> no errors, or statements
[02:54] <apokryphos> presuming you typed in the command exactly as it is above, then perfect
[02:54] <hanseatic> it sucked the file, asked for password, and then i got the prompt back
[02:54] <apokryphos> hanseatic: dpkg -l|grep kdebase-bin now gives?
[02:54] <hanseatic> i copy and pasted
[02:55] <hanseatic> ii  kdebase-bin                           3.4.3-0ubuntu4                     core binaries for the KDE base module
[02:55] <GeMMa> people help me!!!
[02:56] <hanseatic> gemma there is some java based client
[02:56] <apokryphos> hanseatic: can you /msg me the whole terminal output you put in earlier?
[02:57] <hanseatic> apo earlier? when do you mean?
[02:57] <apokryphos> hanseatic: of the command, wget ......
[02:58] <hanseatic> ddh@hpviech:~$ wget http://kubuntu.org/~jr/tmp/kdebase-bin_3.4.3-0ubuntu6_i386.deb && sudo dpkg -i kdebase-bin*.deb
[02:58] <hanseatic> --14:51:16--  http://kubuntu.org/~jr/tmp/kdebase-bin_3.4.3-0ubuntu6_i386.deb
[02:58] <hanseatic>            => `kdebase-bin_3.4.3-0ubuntu6_i386.deb.2'
[02:58] <apokryphos> hanseatic: I did say to /msg   =)
[02:58] <hanseatic> Auflsen des Hostnamen kubuntu.org.... 82.211.81.147
[02:58] <hanseatic> Connecting to kubuntu.org|82.211.81.147|:80... verbunden.
[02:58] <hanseatic> HTTP Anforderung gesendet, warte auf Antwort... 200 OK
[02:58] <hanseatic> Lnge: 1,060,068 (1.0M) [application/x-debian-package] 
[02:58] <hanseatic> 100%[[02:58] <hanseatic> 14:51:20 (283.37 KB/s) - `kdebase-bin_3.4.3-0ubuntu6_i386.deb.2' saved [1060068/1060068] 
[02:59] <hanseatic> Password:
[02:59] <apokryphos> ack
[02:59] <hanseatic> ddh@hpviech:~$ dpkg -l|grep kdebase-bin
[02:59] <hanseatic> ii  kdebase-bin                           3.4.3-0ubuntu4                     core binaries for the KDE base module
[02:59] <hanseatic> ddh@hpviech:~$   
[02:59] <hanseatic> sorry...
[02:59] <hanseatic> i pasted the output, but it entered and ignored the /msg command that i already typed...
[02:59] <hanseatic> thnx
[02:59] <hanseatic> sorry
[02:59] <hanseatic> re
[02:59] <apokryphos> ok, nevermind now; in future either use #flood or a pastebin service
[02:59] <hanseatic> k...
[03:00] <apokryphos> hanseatic: erm, not sure why it didn't process the dpkg. Try now: sudo dpkg -i kdebase-bin*.deb    ..no output?
[03:00] <apokryphos> perhaps the verifying the .dsc is compulsory; hm
[03:00] <apokryphos> type this: wget http://kubuntu.org/~jr/tmp/kdebase-bin_3.4.3-0ubuntu6_i386.deb.asc && gpg --verify kdebase-bin_3.4.3-0ubuntu6_i386.deb.asc
[03:01] <hanseatic> no output
[03:01] <apokryphos> ok, do the second command there
[03:01] <hanseatic> gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
[03:03] <hanseatic> i am too dump for this... i 'll guess i reinstall, and don't waste your time. maybe i have made a mistake by activating root during install
[03:04] <hanseatic> thanks a lot
[03:04] <apokryphos> no real need to reinstall; I can help, but not now unfortunately -- gotta go
[03:04] <apokryphos> I'll help later if you're here
[03:05] <hanseatic> we'll see... :o)
[03:05] <hanseatic> take care
[03:06] <fujisan> hello
[03:06] <fujisan> nalioth you here?
[03:06] <GeMMa> hey 
[03:06] <fujisan> hey
[03:06] <fujisan> Gemma?
[03:06] <fujisan> your name is Gemma?
[03:06] <GeMMa> i dont understand why ktorrent does not work under xcfe
[03:06] <GeMMa> why
[03:06] <fujisan> GEMMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
[03:06] <fujisan> my mom and sister are both named gemma
[03:06] <fujisan> ;P
[03:07] <GeMMa> cool
[03:07] <fujisan> yush
[03:07] <GeMMa> who can help me?
[03:07] <fujisan> Gemma means gem of God
[03:08] <fujisan> special name :)
[03:08] <GeMMa> who can help me?
[03:08] <GeMMa> really?
[03:08] <fujisan> yes
[03:08] <fujisan> really
[03:08] <GeMMa> i did not know
[03:08] <GeMMa> but please hel pme
[03:08] <fujisan> google it :)
[03:08] <GeMMa> what query?
[03:08] <fujisan> oh i wish i could i'm a newbie in linux
[03:09] <fujisan> my help would only confuse me and you :)
[03:09] <GeMMa> apokryphos, help me
[03:10] <BlankC> what is xcfe?
[03:10] <jpatrick> BlankC: A desktop enviroment
[03:11] <GeMMa> why noone helps me?
[03:11] <BlankC> gemma: what happens when you try to run it under xcfe?
[03:11] <GeMMa> i ve xfce and i cant use ktorretn
[03:11] <GeMMa> gives anerror in tracer
[03:11] <BlankC> ...ohhh xfce.
[03:11] <GeMMa> tracker
[03:12] <BlankC> gemma: what is that error?
[03:12] <GeMMa> cant find it
[03:14] <BlankC> so you see: bash: ktorrent: command not found
[03:14] <BlankC> ?
[03:14] <GeMMa> no no
[03:16] <jpatrick> Can't find tracker...
[03:16] <GeMMa> i oyes
[03:16] <GeMMa> yes
[03:17] <jpatrick> which means the torrent is down
[03:17] <GeMMa> maybe
[03:17] <BlankC> what happens when you try a different torrent?
[03:18] <BlankC> for example: ktorrent http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/breezy/kubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso.torrent
[03:18] <GeMMa> wait i try
[03:19] <GeMMa> my trcker now is ok
[03:19] <GeMMa> it was down
[03:19] <kkathman> Good morning  all :)
[03:19] <GeMMa> i did not know it coul d be down
[03:19] <GeMMa> BlankC, thanks
[03:19] <jpatrick> kkathman: afternoon
[03:20] <kkathman> afternoon to you also, jpatrick :)
[03:20] <GeMMa> kkathman, wher r u from?
[03:20] <BlankC> GeMMa: you are welcome.
[03:20] <kkathman> GeMMa: Texas :)
[03:20] <GeMMa> nice
[03:20] <GeMMa> me italy
[03:20] <kkathman> welcome :)
[03:20] <GeMMa> so 10 hours later
[03:20] <GeMMa> later
[03:20] <kkathman> aha!!
[03:21] <kkathman> only around 8:20am here
[03:21] <GeMMa> 3 21 pm here
[03:21] <GeMMa> is there halloween
[03:21] <GeMMa> ?
[03:23] <kkathman> well Im assuming there will be later tonight :)
[03:25] <GeMMa> yes
[03:25] <kkathman> jpatrick: my son's first and middle name is Jason Patrick :)
[03:25] <Tm_T> good day comrade kkathman and others
[03:26] <jpatrick> kkathman: The J's for Jonathan :)
[03:26] <kkathman> jpatrick: my youngest son's name is Jon :)
[03:26] <kkathman> but not Jonathan
[03:26] <jpatrick> cool :)
[03:27] <kkathman> kinda weird :)
[03:27] <kkathman> lol
[03:27] <Tm_T> I'm J too
[03:27] <kkathman> Tm_T:  Good day to you! 0/
[03:28] <Tm_T> big head you got
[03:28] <Tm_T> ;)
[03:28] <kkathman> lol
[03:28] <kkathman> o/  there
[03:28] <Tm_T> yu
[03:38] <kkathman> so not many questions or issues today?
[03:38] <GeMMa> people
[03:39] <GeMMa> i ve a slow pc--> 128 of ram and 800 mhz
[03:39] <kkathman> Hey Tm_T  have you taken a look at the new "Gambas" package?? Its a BASIC Interpreter suite
[03:39] <GeMMa> what could i use ?
[03:39] <GeMMa> xfce?
[03:39] <kkathman> GeMMa: I have a PC here that has 96 MB :)
[03:39] <kkathman> and another thats a P2 400, with 128 MB
[03:40] <GeMMa> and what do u use?
[03:40] <kkathman> I run Ubuntu on them both, GeMMa , the 96MB I run command line, but the 128 I run Gnome
[03:40] <kkathman> But XFCE is a good GUI alternative for lower memory systems I think
[03:45] <LeeJunFan> hrm, can't get my system to hibernate from kde klaptop, but it will do just fine from echoing disk to /sys/power/state. ;-/
[03:47] <chx> hi. is there a multithreaded website mirror script?
[03:50] <C0r3Dump> hello, is there any Toshiba laptop user here ?? (M30 better)
[03:51] <C0r3Dump> Im having troubles with irDa configuration, any toshiba user had it working ?
[03:52] <treefrog> Oops I pressed the SET defaults on for the KDE taskbar. now it is all screwed up.. cant get applications to show up in task bar. Any ideas??
[03:53] <treefrog> I ahve been messing with the config of it for a while and still cant change that setting.. 
[03:55] <treefrog> perhaps I need to refresh the taskbar to see the settings change. anyone know the comand for that??
[03:57] <Dark_Sith> helleo peeps
[03:57] <Dark_Sith> where do i finf de w32codecs for kaffeine?
[03:58] <treefrog> Dark_sith try this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:00] <treefrog> Dark_Sith do you knwo anything about the KDE toolbar set up??
[04:05] <C0r3Dump> deb ftp://cipherfunk.org/pub/packages/ubuntu breezy main
[04:05] <C0r3Dump> there you could find w32codec
[04:06] <C0r3Dump> change breezy if is not your case
[04:07] <stupendo44> I'm trying to run grub-install from a live cd to reinstall grub on my main drive. I'm getting an error: /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[04:08] <_seezer> stupendo44: did you try a manual installation? (using 'grub')
[04:08] <fujisan> do you really want to hurt do you really want to make me cry
[04:08] <kkathman> !w32codecs
[04:08] <ubotu> I heard w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. To download the debs: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy).  For 64-bit read: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399
[04:08] <fujisan> :'(
[04:09] <stupendo44> _seezer, what do you mean?
[04:09] <kkathman> Dark_Sith: that's for you :)
[04:09] <kkathman> howdy seezer :)
[04:09] <seezer> kkathman: hi :)
[04:11] <seezer> stupendo44: try to do a manual installation of grub. just type 'grub' - then type "root(hd0,0)" (if you want hda1) and then "setup(hd0)" to write the masterbootrecord of you first harddrive
[04:11] <seezer> and add missing 'r's
[04:11] <stupendo44> seezer, ok let me try that
[04:12] <seezer> stupendo44: whats your setup? 1 harddisc on ide?
[04:12] <stupendo44> 2 actually. first one is kubuntu
[04:12] <stupendo44> 2 partitions
[04:12] <seezer> ok - then what i typed should be fine
[04:13] <stupendo44> ok, one sec
[04:14] <Tm_T> kkathman: what?
[04:14] <kkathman> Tm_T: ??? what what??
[04:14] <Tm_T> kkathman: what about gambas
[04:15] <kkathman> Tm_T: Can I PM you about a couple of things?
[04:15] <Tm_T> sure
[04:15] <kkathman> thanks
[04:15] <Tm_T> or if you wait, you can use msn ;)
[04:16] <fujisan> hello i'm fujis a operator at dalnet #2600
[04:16] <fujisan> :p
[04:17] <seezer> hello, i'm seezer, one of those creatures known as humans.
[04:17] <fujisan> lol
[04:17] <fujisan> your a sheep to our skills :p
[04:17] <fujisan> at dalnet #2600
[04:17] <fujisan> ;P
[04:17] <fujisan> jk :))
[04:18] <treefrog> anyone know about setting for KDEtoolbar. I have lost the function of applications showing up while minamized or max. the setting in tllbar config is not changing anyting
[04:20] <fujisan> 802.11
[04:20] <fujisan> :P
[04:20] <GeMMa> hello
[04:20] <GeMMa> i use xfce
[04:20] <GeMMa> 4
[04:20] <fujisan> hi
[04:20] <GeMMa> is it good to set to load qt libs
[04:20] <GeMMa> to load faster kde apps?
[04:21] <GeMMa> is it good to set to load when i log in qt libs
[04:21] <GeMMa> ?
[04:22] <GeMMa> helloooooo
[04:22] <GeMMa> |||
[04:22] <GeMMa> !!!!
[04:22] <ubotu> GeMMa: I don't know
[04:22] <fujisan> Hey can hackers own me on linux?
[04:23] <Tm_T> no hackers
[04:23] <Tm_T> I'm hacker
[04:23] <Tm_T> but crackers can
[04:23] <fujisan> crackers?
[04:23] <Tm_T> yu
[04:23] <Tm_T> hacker do stuff what they can(or can't)
[04:23] <fujisan> i want to go to dalnet channel #2600
[04:23] <fujisan> is it dangerous
[04:24] <fujisan> to see Blake M
[04:24] <fujisan> from the documentary about hackers
[04:24] <fujisan> :P
[04:24] <Tm_T> =)
[04:24] <fujisan> =)
[04:24] <Tm_T> it is VERY dangerous ;)
[04:24] <fujisan> is it dangerous
[04:24] <fujisan> hahaha
[04:24] <fujisan> Oops :/
[04:24] <Tm_T> crackers harm
[04:24] <fujisan> even on linux
[04:24] <fujisan> :/
[04:24] <Tm_T> hackers just do stuff for fun
[04:24] <fujisan> shit
[04:25] <Tm_T> there's a big difference really
[04:25] <fujisan> what do crackers do?
[04:25] <fujisan> what if i use a tunnel ip?
[04:25] <Tm_T> :(
[04:25] <fujisan> or bnc to mask my ip
[04:25] <fujisan> can they get me then
[04:25] <Tm_T> I can get you now
[04:25] <fujisan> i want to piss them off :P
[04:25] <fujisan> hahaha
[04:25] <fujisan> i know
[04:25] <fujisan> ;P
[04:26] <Tm_T> and I will
[04:26] <fujisan> but i trust you :((
[04:27] <Tm_T> you shouldn't
[04:27] <fujisan> hehe
[04:27] <Tm_T> you see that dmesg?
[04:27] <fujisan> i'm here to leanr i'm a n00b ;(
[04:28] <fujisan> dmesg?
[04:28] <fujisan> ;/
[04:28] <Tm_T> exactly
[04:28] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[04:28] <fujisan> ;/
[04:28] <fujisan> tell me more
[04:28] <Tm_T> you should shut down your pc or I destroy all your data
[04:28] <fujisan> are you in my root now?
[04:28] <fujisan> what>..
[04:29] <fujisan> WHY
[04:29] <Tm_T> and eat your brains
[04:29] <fujisan> NOOOOOOOOOOO
[04:29] <fujisan> dude
[04:29] <fujisan> i am a operator on dalnet #2600
[04:29] <fujisan> :)
[04:30] <Tm_T> and I eat your brains
[04:30] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[04:30] <Tm_T> ok, sort of oldish joke
[04:30] <fujisan> lol
[04:30] <fujisan> ;P
[04:30] <Tm_T> "and I'm queen of saba, worship me!"
[04:34] <fujisan> lol
[04:38] <jpat|away> lol
[04:39] <nikkia> transgaming is really starting to annoy me :P
[04:40] <nikkia> they have a big countdown on their page for the cedega 5.0 release (next week), its been there about a month, but they refuse to tell anyone what is actually IN 5.0 :(
[04:40] <seezer> nikkia: wine 0.9 :)
[04:41] <nikkia> seezer, probably
[05:06] <azertyuuu> STOP FLOODING
[05:07] <seezer> /help ignore
[05:29] <at1as> hello?
[05:29] <nada> Hallo.
[05:44] <ewald> apt-get gettext does not work for me - can anyone confirm that it does not work?
[05:47] <ewald> I meant: apt-get install gettext
[06:12] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:13] <freeemanen> join /computer
[06:15] <vivek> how do I check the package collection for kubuntu?
[06:34] <masterloki> hi there I have a small question. I typed sensors and got two temperatures CPU Temp & M/B Temp
[06:35] <masterloki> which one is for the processator
[06:35] <masterloki> sorry about the english
[06:56] <at1as> 
[07:13] <Knowerrors> Hey all, why would kded [kdeinit]  be using 100% cpu contiuously?
[07:16] <flixor> guys i found a great app well alcourse you already know about it but for me its new and news :) 
[07:17] <Tm_T> ok, what's that
[07:17] <Tm_T> wget?
[07:17] <flixor> lol no 
[07:17] <flixor> you can guess 2 more Tm_T 
[07:17] <flixor> well its yakuake 
[07:17] <flixor> i love it 
[07:18] <Tm_T> :(
[07:18] <Tm_T> never tested it
[07:18] <Tm_T> doesn't need it
[07:18] <Tm_T> I have Konsole for that
[07:19] <flixor> true
[07:19] <_xuniL> how do i fix broken packages?
[07:20] <Distro^Junkie> brb gotta switch desktops
[07:20] <Distro^Junkie> enlightenment 17 ever going to be available ? for ubuntu or kubuntu ?
[07:21] <_xuniL> any one know how to fix the borken packages?
[07:22] <_xuniL> no one?
[07:23] <BlankC> _xuniL: what do you mean fix broken packages?
[07:24] <_xuniL> well in adept... i have the status on a package named "BROKEN (installed)"
[07:24] <_xuniL> and it prevents me to install thing....
[07:24] <_xuniL> and remove...
[07:24] <mornfall> you need to fix your system yes
[07:24] <_xuniL> i have tried to remove the package and it dont work
[07:25] <mornfall> are you sure it's the only one broken?
[07:25] <mornfall> check "preview changes", it should list all broken/break packages
[07:25] <_xuniL> well there are one more
[07:25] <_xuniL> have 2...
[07:25] <mornfall> you need to fix all of them
[07:25] <_xuniL> and how do i fix them?
[07:25] <mornfall> trying to install them may work, if no, you may need to remove
[07:26] <_xuniL> i have tried remove.. and it dont work..
[07:26] <_xuniL> will try re install thne
[07:26] <mornfall> you could also try sudo apt-get -f install in konsole, it could propose a solution (or die)
[07:30] <Knowerrors> What would cause kubuntu, when computer is first started, to not detect monitor right and go to 320x240 resolution, but then after doing a restart, detect it fine and go to 1024x768
[07:31] <_xuniL> there is a button named source tried that one?
[07:32] <_xuniL> (on your screen)
[07:57] <ubuntu> d
[08:17] <Knowerrors> ok, can anybody help with kubuntu not detecting my video card / monitor right on boot up, but on restart, everything is fine?  please!
[08:20] <Korio> Guys I have installed the linux kernel 686 k7
[08:21] <Korio> and when im trying to boot it it stops at "checking battery state.... "
[08:21] <Korio> what gives?
[08:21] <Korio> :(
[08:24] <_florent> got a question
[08:24] <_florent> some friends using winscp to connect from windows to an ssh server 
[08:25] <_florent> is there a way to show who is connected and what he do ?
[08:25] <_florent> w doesn't show it
[08:25] <_florent> and whowatch too 
[08:29] <_florent> any idea ?
[08:31] <[miles] > hola!
[08:36] <flixor> am i the only one or have more people problems with kbear 
[08:37] <flixor> like crasing etc etc
[08:42] <Korio> anyone here? :(((
[08:42] <flixor> yes Korio 
[08:42] <Korio> Guys I have installed the linux kernel 686 k7
[08:42] <Korio> and when im trying to boot it it stops at "checking battery state.... "
[08:42] <Korio> what gives?
[08:43] <flixor> that i cant answer or give you even a pointer to the right direction 
[08:43] <Korio> well that sucks
[08:43] <Korio> :(
[08:43] <flixor> i am e newbe with linux and kubuntu 
[08:43] <ganymed> hallo. i cannot use the administrator mode anywhere anymore... i have a root password... but it used to work sometimes
[08:44] <flixor> maybe kkathman can answer that question Korio 
[08:44] <Delvien> Every seccond, my HD is accessed for some reason , on a regular interval, what would be doing this ?  it wasint doing it yesterday
[08:45] <Korio> Delvien: thats normal though
[08:45] <Korio> are you running any programs you didnt run yesterday?
[08:45] <Korio> okay flixor 
[08:45] <Korio> kkathman: you there?
[08:45] <Delvien> Korio  aye, tried to compline with auto-apt and it installed a bunch of stuff i dont know what they were, is there away to remove all that which i had installed
[08:45] <Delvien> compile*
[08:46] <Korio> beats me
[08:46] <Korio> this is what i dont like about linux
[08:46] <ganymed> does anybody know how to enable "normal" super user behaviour... you know: with root passwd and first user being just a normal one?
[08:46] <Delvien> Korio what dont you like?
[08:46] <Korio> that you have zero control over installed dependencies
[08:48] <Korio> :/
[08:48] <Korio> thats whats sucks really
[08:48] <_kyle> sup?
[08:49] <Korio> and the package manager in kubuntu is not quite as good as what synaptic is
[08:51] <iPrank> anyone know why my jump drive wont load with Kubuntu when it will with ubuntu?
[08:51] <ganymed> hallo. i have problems with the super user behaviour in kubuntu
[08:53] <flixor> did you already try to mount it manualy iPrank 
[08:54] <ganymed> when i click on administrator mode nothing changes... still user mode. any ideas?
[08:55] <iPrank> how do i do that?
[08:55] <flixor> well 
[08:56] <flixor> at first i would you advise to read the manual page first about the command mount. but normaly a usbstick will apear as a hardisk 
[08:56] <flixor> in my case its /dev/sdb 
[08:57] <flixor> so when i want to mount the stick i will do mount /dev/sdb /mnt/usb 
[08:57] <flixor> something like that 
[08:57] <flixor> iPrank: does that explain something iPrank 
[08:58] <flixor> /dev/sdb would be a scsi hardisk 
[08:58] <treefrog> has anyone else had problems with the KDE toolbar.. ?? 
[08:58] <flixor> but maybe not all the modules are loaded iPrank 
[08:58] <iPrank> "The file or folder media:/sda1 does not exist." so i need to make sda1?
[08:58] <flixor> no 
[08:58] <flixor> iPrank: 
[08:58] <flixor> kkathman: are you here 
[08:58] <Korio> i want to get mp3 support
[08:58] <Korio> wich file do i apt get?
[08:59] <flixor> iPrank: it should appear as soon as you put the stick into the computer aslong as all the right modules (drivers) are loaded 
[08:59] <iPrank> it only gives me that error
[09:01] <Korio> Kate seems to be crashing for no appearint reason
[09:01] <flixor> wait
[09:01] <Korio> kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[09:01] <at1as> 
[09:02] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> kubuntu installation disk fits on one cd-r disk?
[09:02] <redguy> shrinkyjL[os] ``: on a 700 MB cdr - yes
[09:02] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> Danke
[09:03] <flixor> iPrank: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=78322
[09:03] <flixor> maybe this helps 
[09:06] <iPrank> ?
[09:09] <Korio> not much of a support channel this is...
[09:09] <iPrank> they are probbable doing their best
[09:12] <flixor> i dont understand normaly this channel is very crowded and alive 
[09:12] <flixor> i am using kubuntu just for a week now and the support was great, maybe everybody is watching some television show iPrank 
[09:13] <flixor> just stick overhere and the guys will and can help you with your usbstick problem 
[09:14] <iPrank> im chillin, tring to figure it out by myself if i can, im not just gonna sit around and complain about no support like Korio did.
[09:14] <iPrank> i know people have other lives than tending to my needs
[09:15] <flixor> kee :) thats true
[09:16] <iPrank> i know because I help mod a few forums
[09:16] <iPrank> i been there and i am there on my other computer right now
[09:16] <frank23> for non kde specific problems, you can try #ubuntu if there is no one here
[09:24] <Delvien> major problem guys, i cant boot linux , it freezes on bootsplash, AND on recovery mode, is there a way i can get to linux some how to uninstall "DECnet" which is freezing the computer
[09:25] <flixor> hya tvo and did you succeed installing
[09:26] <hanseatic> hi
[09:28] <Delvien> Anyone know if LIVECD will remove packages in current install of kubuntu??
[09:28] <hanseatic> i installed kubuntu 5.10 on my laptop ... everything seemms fine so far, exept, i have only a very small tty in the middle of the screen with wide bars on each edge
[09:28] <Delvien> im stuck, cant boot to linux
[09:28] <hanseatic> try reinstall grub, e.g. with knoppix?
[09:28] <hanseatic> @del
[09:29] <Delvien> well i can load linux, but it freezes on boot splash, i need to get in and remove a package.
[09:30] <Delvien> do you know how to do so
[09:33] <hanseatic> does not sound like a grub prob
[09:33] <hanseatic> rather a kde prob
[09:33] <hanseatic> right?
[09:34] <osh> I have a question about LVM. My lvm management tool (evms) reports that the kernel sees one disk as having 16 heads while the partition records sais it's 255.  This means that I get an error while trying to resize disks and such. Anyone know what might cause this and how to solve it?
[09:35] <payman> hello
[09:35] <hanseatic> hi
[09:35] <payman> howdy 
[09:37] <hanseatic> anyone got a link for an ati radeon mobility M6 3d support howto?
[09:37] <payman> searched the forums?
[09:39] <hanseatic> found something that does not mention that card...
[09:40] <payman> searched both ubuntu and kubuntu forums?
[09:40] <payman> +google
[09:40] <payman> ?
[09:45] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> does linux get spywarE?!
[09:48] <hydrogen> its possible, but it doesn't
[09:49] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> oh
[09:49] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> does anyone know where i can pay for really really cheap dedicated servers
[09:49] <LeeJunFan> I know where you can get some for free but since you said pay for them. I dunno... :)
[09:50] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> FREE?!
[09:50] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> where
[09:50] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> please! :D
[09:50] <LeeJunFan> sarchasm.
[09:50] <LeeJunFan> I was joking.
[09:50] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> damn you.
[09:50] <LeeJunFan> too late.
[09:51] <hydrogen> err
[09:51] <hydrogen> no such thing
[09:51] <hydrogen> as really really cheap dedicated servers
[09:51] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> oh
[09:51] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> cheap then?
[09:51] <LeeJunFan> yeah, and if you get them I wouldn't expect them to be too "dedicated"
[09:51] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> i just want something where i can host like a crappy game server
[09:51] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> nothing too fancy
[09:52] <LeeJunFan> shrinkyjL[os] ``: giving you a server isn't the issue to a provider as much as the bandwidth it will use, and if you are talking about hosting a game like battlefield2, each client uses about 12-15KB stream of traffic.
[09:53] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> im talking about a game that a client takes up about 5kb stream of traffic
[09:53] <Knowerrors> LeeJunFan: got a problem with kubuntu not detecting my video card / monitor right on boot up, but on restart, everything is fine, please help me fix this
[09:54] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: what? so if you turn the power on and start it doesn't work, but if you restart afterward it works?
[09:55] <Knowerrors> right
[09:55] <Delvien> CHROOT cannot be used from Livecd to get to a HD that has ubuntu installed..
[09:55] <Delvien> This sucks, im screwed.
[09:56] <LeeJunFan> Delvien: what's up?
[09:56] <Knowerrors> acutally, it works, but the resulution is like 320x240 and bad refresh rate, and can't be changed
[09:56] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: man, I remember just yesterday reading something about that while I was reading up on acpi and suspend.
[09:57] <Knowerrors> but if I reboot, it goes back to 1024x768 and 80hz refresh
[09:57] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> sexc
[09:57] <Delvien> My current install of ubuntu has some packages that freezes my system and i cant boot to ubuntu or recovery mode, i need to get back in and remove those packages
[09:57] <Delvien> it freezes on bootsplash
[09:58] <LeeJunFan> Delvien: can't you boot rescue from the install disc? when is gives you the boot prompt type rescue.
[09:58] <kkathman> Tm_T:  you still alive ?
[09:58] <kkathman> hehe
[09:58] <mcscruff> is there any way to get http://www.onesouthclan.com/gamercard.html on linux?
[09:58] <Delvien> LeeJunFan can i do a sudo apt-get remove from rescue?
[09:59] <Knowerrors> LeeJunFan: what site were you reading on?
[09:59] <Delvien> LeeJunFan and my inbstall CD is the breezy preview does that matter?
[09:59] <Tm_T> kkathman: almost
[10:00] <nalioth> Delvien: it does not
[10:00] <Delvien> Well lets try it then, if not ill be back :)
[10:00] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> which partitioning method should i use?
[10:01] <nalioth> shrinkyjL[os] ``: what are you partitioning?
[10:02] <kkathman> lol
[10:02] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> my harddrive?!
[10:02] <nalioth> shrinkyjL[os] ``: you running windows? wanna keep windows?
[10:03] <nalioth> got a big HD a small HD?
[10:03] <nalioth> ask a question with some info in it
[10:04] <kkathman> Good day nalioth :)
[10:05] <nalioth> howdy professor!
[10:06] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> my harddrive is clean, nothing is on it
[10:06] <kkathman> Professor Tm_T is pretty much bailing me out on a compile right now!
[10:06] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> i dont want windows
[10:06] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> and its 160gbs
[10:06] <Tm_T> what?!
[10:07] <Tm_T> shrinkyjL[os] ``: stop saying that!
[10:07] <Tm_T> that that that w-word!
[10:07] <payman> lol
[10:08] <nalioth> shrinkyjL[os] ``: how much ram on your system?
[10:09] <kkathman> lol Tm_T  :)
[10:09] <kkathman> windows windows windows
[10:10] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> uhh
[10:10] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> one gig of ram
[10:10] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: what kind of video card do you have?
[10:10] <nalioth> shrinkyjL[os] ``: manually partition for 768mb swap and give the rest to linux (ext3)
[10:10] <Tm_T> kkathman: hey kid, you life is sooo short if you don't stop that! ] ;=
[10:10] <Knowerrors> s3 prosavage ddr
[10:10] <Tm_T> "kid" =)
[10:10] <kkathman> hehe
[10:10] <palodequeso> I upgraded to kde3.5beta2 from breezy directly and my sound server pooped, I'm looking at the wiki and I'm working through getting the beta 1 arts. But it tells me to lock certain packages. How do I lock out certain packages?
[10:11] <kkathman> kid...gosh I love it when someone calls me that :)
[10:11] <kkathman> usually its my dad who is 89
[10:11] <Tm_T> kkathman: you sould, son
[10:11] <Tm_T> +h
[10:12] <kkathman> Tm_T: yanno there ARE "windows" in KDE :)
[10:12] <Tm_T> yu
[10:13] <Tm_T> spooky
[10:13] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: are you using sleep at all?
[10:13] <Tm_T> one rainy day you will notice small M$ logo there
[10:13] <kkathman> its a Rainy day today in fact...I'll look
[10:13] <Tm_T> =)
[10:13] <Knowerrors> nope, not that I know of
[10:14] <Chousuke> They're not windows! They're widget collages!
[10:14] <Knowerrors> LeeJunFan: I have "suspend after" enabled for the display
[10:14] <kkathman> widget kolaches ??
[10:14] <palodequeso> anyone?
[10:14] <Chousuke> collages
[10:15] <palodequeso> I upgraded to kde3.5beta2 from breezy directly and my sound server pooped, I'm looking at the wiki and I'm working through getting the beta 1 arts. But it tells me to lock certain packages. How do I lock out certain packages?
[10:15] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> nalioth: what type do i put the swap as
[10:15] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> primary or logical
[10:15] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> (first time installing linux)
[10:16] <Chousuke> Shouldn't matter.
[10:16] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> so i should only have 2 partitions
[10:16] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> the 768mb one
[10:16] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> and the rest of my harddrive
[10:16] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: I dunno...
[10:17] <LeeJunFan> palodequeso: it has to do with noting or commenting the package using dpkg, I forget the exact usage.
[10:17] <palodequeso> oh... hrm.
[10:18] <Delvien> Nalioth YOU ARE A GODSEND !! i love you..
[10:18] <Knowerrors> LeeJunFan: this is also only using kernel I rolled myself, 2,6,14
[10:19] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: try not using framebuffer.
[10:19] <nalioth> shrinkyjL[os] ``: any type you like, it'll use it as swap no matter what, and yes if you dont want windows, you'll only have swap and / (if you like, you can make a 5gb /, and have the rest for /home )
[10:19] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> should i create it at the beginning or end, or it doesnt matter also
[10:20] <LeeJunFan> gotta run out for the joys of trick or treating with the kids. later guys.
[10:22] <nalioth> shrinkyjL[os] ``: it doesn't matter, really, i usually put it on the end
[10:23] <simonsbr> estou precisando de uma ajudinha 
[10:23] <nalioth> simonsbr: que idioma?
[10:23] <simonsbr> algum brasileiro?
[10:23] <nalioth> !pt
[10:23] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigada.
[10:23] <simonsbr> ok
[10:23] <simonsbr> desculpe
[10:23] <simonsbr> hi... i need some help =)
[10:23] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> nalioth: i set it as "swap area"?
[10:23] <nalioth> simonsbr: ask your question
[10:24] <nalioth> shrinkyjL[os] ``: thats the one
[10:24] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> what about bootable flag
[10:24] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> on or off
[10:25] <nalioth> shrinkyjL[os] ``: on the / if you like, i dont think grub needs a partition marked bootable
[10:26] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> okay, thanks
[10:30] <Delvien> Eeek how do i see what is taking all my memory
[10:31] <slow-motion> n8
[10:31] <Delvien> n8?
[10:32] <Delvien> any way to reduce mem taken by amaroK
[10:34] <Delvien> 86 processes !
[10:35] <Delvien> nalioth what is dcopserver?
[10:36] <nalioth> Delvien: i have no idea, why?
[10:36] <libben> man cant wait until my three mathmos lamps are comming
[10:36] <Delvien> nalioth im trying to figure out why so much of my memory is being used. 
[10:41] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> OH GEEEZZ
[10:41] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> THE LOADING SCREEN LOOKS COOOL!
[10:41] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> fdfgksfgsd
[10:42] <fatbrain> What source should I include in order to apt-get lynx?
[10:44] <kkathman> Tm_T: didnt work
[10:44] <kkathman> Tm_T: Compiled...but wont connect to the database :(
[10:44] <kkathman> sigh
[10:44] <Tm_T> :(
[10:45] <Tm_T> then do sudo make uninstall
[10:45] <Tm_T> to remove it
[10:45] <Tm_T> ;)
[10:45] <kkathman> will that take all the dependencies out too ?
[10:45] <Tm_T> nope
[10:45] <kkathman> arrgh
[10:45] <Tm_T> =)
[10:46] <kkathman>  get this:  Servermessage: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[10:46] <kkathman> so I have no idea what thats all about...I know its running
[10:47] <Tm_T> :(
[10:47] <kkathman> cuz I can run phpmyadmin against the databse and see it
[10:47] <Tm_T> I don't know a thing about mysql
[10:47] <Tm_T> mysli
[10:48] <icewt> fatbrain, i'd recommend to try elinks
[10:49] <nalioth> Tm_T: may i point out that if "ckeckinstall" is used, uninstallation is much easier
[10:49] <Tm_T> nalioth: ?
[10:49] <Tm_T> might be
[10:49] <Tm_T> I don't know what it is
[10:50] <Tm_T> ;)
[10:50] <nalioth> Tm_T: you dont know what a wonderful thing checkinstall is?
[10:50] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Tm_T about checkinstall
[10:50] <Tm_T> nope
[10:50] <Tm_T> ok
[10:50] <Tm_T> thank you
[10:51] <kkathman> nalioth: do you happen to know anything about knoda?
[10:51] <kkathman> Im afraid probably no one does :)
[10:52] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> woot
[10:52] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> its done installing
[10:52] <nalioth> kkathman: offhand, i've never heard of it
[10:52] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> thanks for the help nalioth
[10:52] <kkathman> nalioth: its a free ERD diagram and front end to Database design
[10:52] <nalioth> kkathman: the cloak of confusion is still strangling me
[10:53] <kkathman> its supposed to hookup to mysql, but I use the xammp system, so I think that must mess it up
[10:53] <flixor> does anybody know how to let this device work 
[10:53] <fatbrain> icewt: ok
[10:53] <nalioth> Tm_T: i recommend checkinstall to all those users who compile their own software (developers know how to make a real deb)
[10:53] <flixor> 0000:00:11.0 Unknown mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20267 (FastTrak100/Ultra100) (rev 02)
[10:53] <Tm_T> nalioth: heh, I don't know ;)
[10:54] <Tm_T> maybe I'm not devel then :(
[10:55] <Delvien> How do i get amaroK to fade out when i hit the stop button like it used to
[10:57] <nalioth> Tm_T: let me correct myself. for those developers whose things go into repositories, they know how to make a real deb
[10:57] <Tm_T> ah =)
[11:05] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> how do i install a program..... -_-
[11:05] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> i use a package manager, right?
[11:05] <Tm_T> left
[11:05] <frank23> shrinkyjL[os] ``: alot of programs can be installed with adept
[11:06] <osh> I have a question about LVM. My lvm management tool (evms) reports that the kernel sees one disk as having 16 heads while the partition records sais it's 255.  Can anyone explain this?
[11:07] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> okay, how do i install things
[11:07] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> i clicked the name
[11:07] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> and clicked
[11:07] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> install package
[11:07] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> but nothing happens
[11:07] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> commit changes?
[11:07] <frank23> shrinkyjL[os] ``: click commit changes
[11:07] <osh> shrinkyjL[os] ``: Didya klick "apply"?
[11:07] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> okay, thanks
[11:08] <osh> Ahh, commit. not apply, sorry. And I meant to type click...
[11:08] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> oh jeez, linux is freaking awesome
[11:08] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> owowow
[11:08] <frank23> shrinkyjL[os] ``: go into repository management to enable the lines with universe and multiverse to enable more software available
[11:10] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> thanks
[11:12] <osh> Anyone who can explain this? http://pastebin.com/412657
[11:12] <Tm_T> it was me
[11:14] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> kubuntu is so much easier than slackware
[11:14] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> i love ti
[11:14] <flixor> so kkathman i am going to compile my first linux kernel 
[11:14] <Tm_T> I hate ti
[11:14] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> it
[11:14] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> D:
[11:14] <flixor> i need support for a peace of hardware 
[11:14] <Tm_T> ;)
[11:14] <Tm_T> shrinkyjL[os] ``: ok, keep your norwegian gifts
[11:21] <shrinky> hi
[11:21] <shrinky> LOL
[11:21] <shrinky> LoLz~!~!^-^
[11:30] <BLiM> hi guys i am new to the kubuntu family
[11:30] <BLiM> and i would like to ask some questions
[11:32] <Tm_T> welcome, and please do
[11:33] <BLiM> personally i use the computer basically for c programming and music editing
[11:33] <BLiM> i was rather disappointed with suse 9.3
[11:33] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> music editing?! do you make yoru own music
[11:34] <Tm_T> I do
[11:34] <BLiM> so a friend of mine introduced me to Kubuntu
[11:34] <BLiM> the problem is that i dont really understand all the stuff that concern the sudo - root account
[11:35] <Tm_T> there's not much to understand
[11:35] <Tm_T> but please ask if you can specify
[11:35] <BLiM> that when i am asked for the root password i am giving my user password and sometimes it doesnt work
[11:35] <Tm_T> hmm
[11:35] <icewt> that's a bug
[11:36] <BLiM> for example when i try to modify disk & filesystem menu
[11:36] <icewt> BLiM: try to run: kdesu kcontrol
[11:36] <BLiM> it doesnt say that the pass is wrong but it do
[11:36] <BLiM> *it doesnt do anything
[11:36] <icewt> as i said, it's a bug
[11:36] <sturnbull> hi - I think kubuntu 5.10 is full of bugs, hoary seemed much more stable - any thoughts?
[11:37] <BLiM> also Kubuntu doesnt read my flash memory
[11:37] <BLiM> nor it recognizes my ntfs partitions
[11:37] <BLiM> which keep my music
[11:37] <strike4ce> !ati
[11:37] <ubotu> methinks ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[11:37] <sturnbull> the wireless is very fragile, worked fine on hoary
[11:38] <BLiM> any ideas?
[11:39] <sturnbull> bluetooth interferes
[11:39] <BLiM> Tm_T???????
[11:39] <sturnbull> maybe not then - just a guess
[11:41] <Tm_T> BLiM: here, all works fine
[11:42] <BLiM> you can see your ntfs partitions?
[11:42] <Tm_T> BLiM: but, I'm off to sleep (or I try) so keep asking, maybe some others know ;) ->
[11:42] <Tm_T> BLiM: yes
[11:42] <Tm_T> zZ ->
[11:42] <BLiM> anyone around here that can help
[11:42] <BLiM> ?
[11:46] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> how do i access my cdrom drive
[11:46] <kkathman> whats the right syntax for removing a directory and everything underneath it?? I thought it was rmdir -r <directoryname>
[11:47] <flixor> rm -rf 
[11:47] <flixor> kkathman, 
[11:47] <kkathman> ahh...I knew I was missing something :)
[11:48] <kkathman> bad day today :(
[11:48] <flixor> lol 
[11:48] <flixor> but not the rmdir but rm 
[11:48] <flixor> so rm -rf 
[11:50] <Flying_Eagle> how can i make the dpi-rate of my logitech-mouse constantly 800?
[11:50] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> never mind
[11:50] <Flying_Eagle> i have to set it to this value after every restart now
[11:53] <flixor> is there a special ubuntu or kubuntu howto for compiling the kernel 
[11:53] <kkathman> its like I had a brain fart
[11:53] <kkathman> oh well it happens
[11:53] <flixor> lol @ kkathman 
[11:54] <flixor> anyway kkathman do you know if there is a good tutorial for compiling the kernel with kubuntu 
[11:54] <shrinky_> sdf:
[11:54] <shrinky_> flixor:
[11:54] <shrinky_> wth
[11:55] <flixor> yes shrinky 
[11:55] <shrinky_> how do people do that "username: sdfs"
[11:55] <shrinky_> do they just type it
[11:55] <shrinky_> or is it part of the program
[11:56] <flixor> just type a letter + tab 
[11:56] <flixor> so for your name i do shri + tab 
[11:56] <flixor> shrinky, 
[11:57] <flixor> shrinky_, this one it is 
[11:58] <Sgep> Hi all
[11:58] <Sgep> How do I get Java Web Start to work?
[11:58] <Sgep> Is there a package I can install?
[11:58] <shrinky_> flixor, thanks
[11:58] <flixor> np shrinky_ , 
[11:58] <shrinky> flixor: cool
[11:59] <Sgep> hi nutate 
[11:59] <sorush20> guys how do I edit the right click menu in the KDE?
[12:00] <kkathman> sorush20: exactly where do you want to edit...its context dependent
[12:01] <nalioth> kkathman: sorush20 wants to edit what shows up on the contect menu. for the whole box
[12:02] <kkathman> explain "whole box"
[12:02] <kkathman> I mean..if I right click on the desktop I get one menu...if I right click in an app I get a different menu