[12:08] <Kinnison> elmo: 76G archive
[12:08] <kiko> Kinnison, with new gina run or not?
[12:09] <Kinnison> kiko: that's direct from staging as of now
[12:09] <elmo> Kinnison: that sounds small?
[12:09] <kiko> Kinnison, so no new gina run :-(
[12:09] <Kinnison> elmo: w/h/b i386/amd64/ppc
[12:09] <Kinnison> elmo: +source
[12:10] <elmo> Kinnison: hum, ok
[12:10] <Kinnison> kiko: Erm, dunno, I thought you and stub were in charge of that
[12:25] <kiko> Kinnison, stub refused to do it because he thought your packages were precious, argh
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[12:29] <lifeless> welcome to the house of fun.
[12:29] <Kinnison> kiko: my packages?
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[12:30] <kiko> Kinnison, in the database. fun indeed.
[12:30] <kiko> never mind.
[12:30] <kiko> we'll just need to redo the run tomorrow :-*
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[12:31] <Kinnison> the majority of the pain is getting the files on disk
[12:31] <Kinnison> changing the packaging metadata isn't too bad
[12:32] <lifeless> mdz, can yo uvisit, https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev and see what it says about 'Your involvement' - after logging in
[12:33] <lifeless> Kinnison: are we scheduling or something ?
[12:34] <kiko> Kinnison, but gina takes a long time to run!
[12:34] <Kinnison> lifeless: I'm not
[12:34] <Kinnison> kiko: I agree
[12:35] <Kinnison> kiko: but since I'm not at all sure what you're on about in terms of calling packaging data precious, I'm not sure what I'm meant to do and when/how
[12:37] <kiko> nuking SPR and BPR and the publishing tables
[12:37] <kiko> but..
[12:40] <lifeless> kiko: ah, are *we* shceduling or something ?
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[12:46] <kiko> lifeless, nah, we're relaxing. steve was supposed to add room names, but..
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[12:52] <Kinnison> it should chew up one of my slack periods
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[05:07] <kiko> ahoy there
[05:07] <kiko> stub, dude!
[05:07] <kiko> Kinnison?
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[05:44] <stub> kiko: yo
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[06:13] <Mez|Away> hey stub
[06:13] <Mez|Away> hows the card game going?
[06:13] <stub> eh?
[06:15] <Mez|Away> stub: apologies.... i thought kiko was asking you if you were Kinnison 
[06:33] <Mez|Away> LP down?
[06:33] <lifeless> no
[06:54] <Belutz> is uploading .po file in rosetta is not working at the moment?
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[09:29] <jordi> Belutz: it should, why do you ask?
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[10:16] <zyga_desktop> carlos, ping
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[10:28] <zyga_desktop> carlos, join #ubuntu-desktop once you are around please, I've made some progress with gettext support for desktop files and I'd like to discuss this with you
[10:28] <jordi> zyga_desktop: for langpacks?!
[10:28] <jordi> zyga_desktop: that's awesome dude
[10:28] <zyga_desktop> jordi, yes
[10:29] <zyga_desktop> jordi, it works today
[10:29] <jordi> zyga_desktop: how do you do it, in summary?
[10:29] <zyga_desktop> jordi, I've patched pyxdg and libgnome-desktop, both patches are in malone
[10:29] <zyga_desktop> jordi, I use, if possible an extra key X-Gettext-Domain to lookup all localized strings
[10:30] <zyga_desktop> this method takes priority over legacy key[$LOCALE] =value data
[10:30] <zyga_desktop> I yet need to patch a volume of desktop files to notice the performance problems that many have talked about
[10:30] <zyga_desktop> anyway I plan to patch gettext to support a proxy for all the .mo files in a lightweight database of some sort if this becomes an issue
[10:31] <jordi> zyga_desktop: having gnome get those strings from .mo files could be the answer. Do you know why they chose to have them in the .desktop?
[10:32] <zyga_desktop> jordi, performance
[10:32] <jordi> nod
[10:32] <zyga_desktop> jordi, it's easier to read one file instead of reading lots of .mo files
[10:32] <zyga_desktop> but that point is really moot IMHO
[10:32] <zyga_desktop> it's better to have a useful design (the one with .mo files) that less efficient now than have a crappy design that is efficient
[10:32] <zyga_desktop> and besides, proxying will solve any performance issues
[10:33] <jordi> having all in one file defeats many advantages in the mo format
[10:33] <zyga_desktop> true
[10:33] <zyga_desktop> jordi, anyway that's the first step
[10:33] <zyga_desktop> jordi, it works today and I'd like to get some feedback on this :-)
[10:33] <zyga_desktop> too bad that UBZ is going on now :)
[10:34] <jordi> yeah. I'm leavign tomorrow for .ca
[10:34] <zyga_desktop> mvo could have some ideas about gnome-app-install that is using a horde of desktop files
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[11:01] <zyga_desktop> so now we basically need a gettext proxy to solve the performance issue
[11:21] <LarstiQ> zyga_desktop: afaik, reading lots of files is a major performance killer for gnome
[11:22] <zyga_desktop> LarstiQ, that depends on how it's done, it *may* be a performance killer, it does not have to
[11:24] <zyga_desktop> OTOH: how to remove / upgrade an attachment in malone?
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[11:35] <cprov> morning guys
[11:35] <BjornT> zyga_desktop: at the moment you can't. feel free to file a bug about it, i'll try to get around implementing it some day.
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[12:14] <matsubara> good morning!
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[01:23] <stub> elmo, Znarl: ping
[01:31] <Znarl> stub : Pong
[01:31] <stub> Znarl: Can you tell what is thrashing Asuka's disk?
[01:32] <Znarl> Hold on, I'll take a look.
[01:32] <stub> I've been doing a DB restore which normally takes about 1.5 hours for the last three hours now
[01:35] <stub> It might just be the restore (maybe the production database has changed more than I expected since the last restore I timed, maybe two weeks ago).
[01:35] <stub> Which is the stuff running as the postgres user
[01:36] <stub> Or maybe all this new disk is real slloooowww
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[01:39] <Znarl> No, no, the disks are the normal super fast outstanding disks.
[01:39] <fabbione> hey Znarl 
[01:40] <Znarl> Hello fabbione 
[01:41] <fabbione> Znarl: it was a pleasure to meet you in London.. too bad there was not time to talk
[01:43] <Znarl> fabbione : Thank you, you too.  
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[01:44] <Znarl> Hopefully next time you're in London we can have more time to chat.
[01:49] <fabbione> Znarl: you can bet on it
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[01:58] <Znarl> stub : It could be the hardware RAID kicked out a disk and it's rebuilding.  I'll find out in a few hours when I can eyeball the machine.
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[02:16] <stub> Znarl: No probs.
[02:17] <stub> My restore has finished now... cool.
[02:18] <stub> Hmm.... back to normal load. Must have been me. Might need to get the darling more RAM or something.
[02:18] <Mez> I'm getting expired stuff on specs
[02:32] <SteveA> what were you restoring stub?
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[02:54] <stub> SteveA: Staging. Just kicked off a fresh gina run for kiko
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[03:23] <mdz> lifeless:  You are the owner of this team, but not currently an active member.
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[03:24] <lifeless> mdz: interesting.
[03:24] <lifeless> mdz: you should be by inclusion though right ?
[03:25] <lifeless> salgado: ping
[03:25] <salgado> lifeless, pong
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[03:25] <lifeless> salgado: team mmbership - if someone is in a team that is in a team, should they be listed as a member of the latter team ?
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[03:27] <lifeless> salgado: jbailey and I were looking at some permission errors yesterday, and this 'not in the team' thing seems a likely candidate
[03:28] <salgado> lifeless, right now you're not listed as a member on the team's page, because that page lists only direct members of a team
[03:28] <lifeless> salgado: ok.
[03:28] <salgado> but maybe it's a good idea to list indirect members too. I'm not sure
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[03:29] <salgado> lifeless, how can I reproduce the bug you mentioned?
[03:30] <lifeless> salgado: are you in montreal ?
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[03:30] <salgado> lifeless, not yet. I'm leaving .br tomorrow night
[03:31] <lifeless> ok
[03:31] <salgado> today, in fact
[03:31] <lifeless> uhm, jbailey has a bug
[03:31] <spiv> lifeless: Btw, I've started implementing SupermirrorFilesystemHierarchy -- I expect I'll have the hard part, the SFTP changes, working during the flight.
[03:31] <lifeless> sweet
[03:32] <spiv> But now, I need to sleep so I can make that flight :)
[03:32] <lifeless> :)
[03:32] <lifeless> gnight
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[03:34] <salgado> lifeless, the RocketFuelSetup page mentions a "bzr pull --clobber" command line. would the correct be "bzr pull --overwrite"?
[03:34] <salgado> I ask because there doesn't seem to be a --clobber option for pull
[03:35] <lifeless> yes, its changede. I'll fix
[03:36] <bradb> Hey, I want to get K-lined.
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[03:50] <lifeless> stub ping
[03:51] <lifeless> SteveA: ping
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[03:51] <SteveA> lifeless: 
[03:52] <lifeless> should breezy using devs be using posgreesql 8 or 7.4 ?
[03:52] <SteveA> either should work
[03:52] <SteveA> production is 7
[03:52] <SteveA> currently
[03:52] <lifeless> yes.
[03:52] <lifeless> what *should* we be telling them to use ?
[03:52] <lifeless> the dbsetup instructions are wrong, I need to correct them, and it requires a choice
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[03:52] <SteveA> it is good to have a mix at this point
[03:53] <SteveA> if stu has imminent plans to upgrade
[03:53] <lifeless> apt-get install postgresql-plpython
[03:53] <SteveA> then we should all use 8
[03:53] <lifeless>  <- does not exist, have to do -7.4 or -8.0
[03:53] <SteveA> we need to ask stu when he arrives
[03:53] <bradb> My baz -> bzr conversion bombed out fairly early on with an exception. Should I file it as a bzr bug in malone, or send this error output somewhere else?
[03:53] <lifeless> ok, I'm not aware specific plans to upgrade.
[03:53] <lifeless> bradb: give it to me
[03:53] <bradb> ok
[03:55] <bradb> lifeless: sent
[04:01] <bradb> poor, poor chinstrap
[04:01] <jamesh> SteveA: I noticed that the pg_dump output of postgres 8.0 is a bit different to the equivalent dump from 7.4, which affects generation of sample data
[04:02] <jamesh> SteveA: which means having a mix of the two versions will lead to merge conflicts when people are updating the sample data
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[04:02] <SteveA> can you put in a pastebin an example of the difference?
[04:03] <bradb> "bzr branch" and "bzr merge" would seem to be running in ultra-slow motion due to the load on chinstrap.
[04:03] <jamesh> I don't recall the exact differences (I think they were a combination of whitespace and ordering of some output)
[04:03] <jamesh> but it meant that regenerating the sample data touched almost every line of the file
[04:03] <lifeless> bradb: are you running them on chinstrap ?
[04:03] <bradb> lifeless: yep
[04:03] <BjornT> ah, true, i noticed that as well. SteveA, it seems that with 8.0, all tables are ordered alphabetical, so it's quite a huge diff. i got more than 1Mb diff for a simple sample data addition
[04:03] <lifeless> hmm
[04:03] <jamesh> so I got big conflicts when someone else updated the file
[04:03] <bradb> lifeless: I've been waiting on "bzr branch" for several minutes already.
[04:04] <bradb> lifeless: And seen no progress output or output of any kind thus far.
[04:04] <lifeless> bradb: I need the command line you used too
[04:04] <bradb> bradb@chinstrap /home/warthogs/archives/bradb/launchpad $ bzr branch /home/warthogs/archives/rocketfuel/launchpad/devel malone-talks-back-contd
[04:04] <bradb> 
[04:04] <lifeless> for the conversion
[04:04] <bradb> ah, ok
[04:05] <bradb> how do I scroll back through the scroll buffer in screen?
[04:06] <lifeless> ctrl-a [, then pgup
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[04:07] <bradb> pgup scrolls my terminal's scroll bar
[04:07] <lifeless> haha
[04:07] <lifeless> try arrows then
[04:07] <bradb> wait, found the magic incantation, i think
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[04:08] <bradb> bradb@chinstrap /home/warthogs/archives/bradb $ /home/warthogs/source/bzr.integration/bzr baz-import brad.bollenbach@canonical.com brad.bollenbach@canonical.com ../rocketfuel
[04:12] <lifeless> can you mail me your ~/bzr.log please
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[04:15] <bradb> lifeless: sent.
[04:16] <lifeless> danke
[04:17] <LarstiQ> bradb: for scrolling in screen after ctrl-a-[, ctrl-f and ctrl-b are good (as well as hjkl)
[04:18] <eruin> meh, I wish there were tighter bonds between gnome-i18n and rosetta translators
[04:18] <eruin> I'm slowly losing track of all the i18n mailing lists, etc I'm following :P
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[04:20] <mpool> hi
[04:20] <mpool> https://launchpad.net/products/bzr/+spec/nathansprangers is not a bzr spec
[04:20] <mpool> can i move it?
[04:20] <mpool> it should be an ubuntu spec
[04:21] <lifeless> hahah
[04:21] <lifeless> ..not yet AFAIK
[04:23] <lifeless> bug 3727
[04:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #3727: Cannot move specs added to a product to a different product or to a distro. Fix req. for: launchpad (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/3727
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[04:30] <mpool> is there a way to mark a spec as closed/invalid?
[04:30] <lifeless> no
[04:30] <lifeless> erm, not really.
[04:30] <lifeless> you can say 'obsolete'
[04:31] <mpool> hm
[04:31] <mpool> it looks like someone just changed it
[04:32] <lifeless> yes, I corrected it. But there is no ui, so I filed a bug.
[04:34] <jamesh> mpool: it can be declined for ubz though
[04:37] <lifeless> jamesh: that leaves noise in the product though
[04:37] <lifeless> which is, I think, mpools concern
[04:39] <kiko> bradb, yo?
[04:39] <bradb> yo
[04:40] <kiko> how's it going my man
[04:40] <bradb> not bad, not bad. how's the bike?
[04:40] <kiko> not bad!
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[04:41] <kiko> my throat is not so great thouh
[04:41] <bradb> cool
[04:41] <bradb> oh
[04:41] <kiko> bradb, what time did the lappie arrive?
[04:41] <mpool> if it's really just a typo then there should be a way to delete it
[04:41] <mpool> i think
[04:41] <kiko> or was it supposed to?
[04:41] <bradb> kiko: they said they get deliveries between 11 and 3
[04:41] <kiko> okay, cool, thanks
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[04:42] <mpool> bradb: where are you?
[04:42] <lifeless> bradb: where are you?
[04:42] <mpt> bradb, get your behind down here
[04:42] <bradb> heh
[04:42] <kiko> get your behind behind here
[04:43] <mpt> You're in high demand
[04:43] <bradb> ok, ok, ok, ok!
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[04:43] <kiko> I OBEY
[04:43] <mpt> We're on floor S1
[04:43] <lifeless> bradb: as if
[04:43] <mpool> if i can spend 30h flying you can get the metro! :)
[04:43] <bradb> heh
[04:43] <bradb> right, i'm on my way
[04:43] <lifeless> bah 30, you lightweight!
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[05:01] <kiko> hey brenden duderino
[05:01] <kiko> err
[05:01] <kiko> bradb disappeared ;)
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[05:04] <highvoltage> hi guys. where can I check for existing bugs in launchpad?
[05:04] <kiko> highvoltage, what are they bugs on? ubuntu? launchpad?
[05:07] <thisfred> highvoltage, https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bugs ?
[05:09] <highvoltage> thanks thisfred, for some reason i mis-looked it.
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[05:22] <highvoltage> i want to translate binutils, but my language isn't there. is there a way i can add it?
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[05:25] <jamesh> highvoltage: what language is it?
[05:25] <kiko> highvoltage, talk to jordi!
[05:26] <mpool> is it a known bug that i get an error of unauthenticated user tried to post to a page that requires auth"
[05:26] <highvoltage> jamesh: Afrikaans
[05:27] <highvoltage> jordi: I want to translate binutils to Afrikaans, but Launchpad doesn't have it listed under binutils
[05:27] <salgado> mpool, yes, it is
[05:27] <jamesh> highvoltage: we have Afrikaans in the system
[05:27] <jamesh> highvoltage: have you selected Afrikaans as one of the languages you know?
[05:28] <highvoltage> jamesh: i think so. let me double-check...
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[05:29] <jamesh> highvoltage: https://launchpad.net/rosetta/prefs <- that's the language selection page
[05:29] <jamesh> highvoltage: iirc, your selected languages are always listed when you look at a translation template in Launchpad
[05:29] <highvoltage> jamesh: yes, i have
[05:29] <jamesh> (even if they have no translations at that point)
[05:30] <highvoltage> jamesh: no, i lied. it's good now :)
[05:30] <highvoltage> jamesh: thanks
[05:30] <jamesh> no problem
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[05:40] <jsgotangco> its lp getting timeout problems?
[05:41] <kiko> jsgotangco, yes, more or less continually. we need to work this out this week
[05:41] <jsgotangco> ah ok thanks kiko, hope montreal is doing good for the lp team =)
[05:42] <kiko> jsgotangco, it will do! lots of little specs to work on
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[05:54] <highvoltage> how do i insert a <tab> in a web form?
[05:55] <Mez> ctrl tab or shift tab sometimes works
[05:55] <kiko> highvoltage, but mostly it doesn't
[05:55] <highvoltage> gnome seems to take that.
[05:56] <highvoltage> i'll just insert <tab>. perhaps the po maintainers can fix it
[05:56] <kiko> highvoltage, uhm
[05:56] <kiko> highvoltage, what are you doing?
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[05:58] <mpool> highvoltage: paste it?
[05:59] <highvoltage> ok, i'll try that. perhaps an "insert tab" would be nice in rosetta.
[06:00] <kiko> highvoltage, read the legend. you're supposed to use [tab] 
[06:00] <kiko> that's in the left-hand portlet area
[06:01] <highvoltage> kiko: ah, ok. sorry, launchpad is big, i forget to read all the stuff on the left and right hand side. thanks.
[06:02] <kiko> highvoltage, it's big and kinda confusingly cluttered. we're working on it.
[06:06] <highvoltage> kiko: great job, btw. i think it's wonderful how you guys make it fun to contibute.
[06:06] <highvoltage> thanks for all your help
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[06:10] <lifeless> ddaa: the fix for code is trivial
[06:10] <lifeless> I'm just reweaving my branch
[06:11] <mpool> i'd like a mozilla plugin that turns the seleted text into a new bug, then puts the url of that new bug in the clipboard
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[06:44] <Mez> hmm
[06:44] <Mez> can someone approve an email address for me
[06:45] <Mez> it seems the ubuntu servers dont like sending email to *@ubuntu.com emails
[06:45] <kiko> Mez, approve?
[06:45] <Mez> and I want to be able to use mez@ubuntu.com with sourcecontrol
[06:45] <SteveA> hmm
[06:45] <Mez> kiko: confirm sorry
[06:45] <SteveA> could be -- the mail rules behind the scenes are very complex right now
[06:45] <SteveA> i'll have a word with elmo
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[06:47] <jsgotangco> that's strange i just requested a po file and it sent confirmation to my ubuntu.com email
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[07:08] <SteveA> Mez: I just checked, and the server launchpad is running on can send email to @ubuntu.com addresses
[07:09] <SteveA> can you tell me a bit more about what happens?
[07:10] <Mez> I dont recieve any email
[07:10] <SteveA> do you receive email from launchpad sent to another address?
[07:10] <Mez> yes
[07:10] <Mez> just not the ubuntu.com one
[07:11] <SteveA> can i try sending you an email?
[07:11] <Mez> well, I've tried to add it to my emails but it doenst accept
[07:13] <SteveA> Mez: i just sent you an email.  let me know if you receive it soon.
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[07:28] <rmarronnier> hi ! Im doing some translations for ubuntu packages, and i want to know if those translations can be used by other distributions ?
[07:29] <kiko> they can!
[07:29] <kiko> they can be used via upstream -- upstream downloads packages and includes them
[07:30] <kiko> other distros can also download translations
[07:30] <rmarronnier> cool ! 
[07:30] <jamesh> rmarronnier: the details are here: https://launchpad.net/legal
[07:30] <rmarronnier> thanks jamesh
[07:30] <jamesh> rmarronnier: i.e. translations done in Rosetta are available under the same terms as the software they are for
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[07:32] <rmarronnier> But in reality do mandriva, xandros, debian etc. use those translations or work on their own ?
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[07:33] <jamesh> rmarronnier: I don't know.  Note that some upstream projects use rosetta for translations, so those distros benefit from Rosetta indirectly when they get new upstream versions of those packages
[07:34] <sabdfl> stub around?
[07:36] <kiko> he's on a plane I think sabdfl
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[07:47] <rmarronnier> ok thanks
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[08:21] <mdke> is there an official answer of where the name Rosetta comes from?
[08:21] <mdke> if not, how about adding one to RosettaFAQ?
[08:24] <matsubara> Maybe because of the rosetta stone, but I'm guessing
[08:25] <mdke> well I think it is named after the space probe rosetta
[08:25] <mdke> which in turn is named after the stone
[08:26] <mdke> i'm gonna add that to the FAQ anyhows and see if anyone corrects me
[08:26] <TylerM> which in turn was named after a pre-historic arab sitcom "Rosetta and Rocko"
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[08:27] <mdke> nah it was named after the place it was found
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[08:29] <occy> Does anyone think we could get it where ogg vorbis video can work out of the box with 6.04 ?
[08:29] <mdke> wrong channel
[08:29] <occy> heh
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[08:39] <medgno> who should I talk to if I seem to have a messed up launchpad account?
[08:39] <kiko> me
[08:39] <kiko> what's up medgno 
[08:40] <medgno> I can't sign up for a new account with my email address, and trying to do a "forgotten password" thing for my email doesn't work either
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[08:42] <Belutz> hi all
[08:42] <Belutz> is it normal that the process after uploading .po file would took a long time?
[08:43] <Belutz> this is the message in the email "On 2005-10-31 05:51+0000 (4 hours 10 minutes ago), you uploaded 941
[08:43] <Belutz> Indonesian (id) translations" it tooks 4 hours?
[08:44] <kiko> Belutz, the script is run asynchronously
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[08:44] <kiko> so it's possible
[08:44] <Belutz> ah i see
[08:44] <Belutz> thanks kiko :)
[08:45] <kiko> enjoy!
[08:46] <medgno> kiko: any suggestions on what to do with my email addy?
[08:46] <kiko> medgno, when you say "I can't" and "doesn't work" I can only scratch my head. give me more infomration.
[08:46] <kiko> and information too.
[08:47] <medgno> email address is medgno at medievalgnome.org. I am unable to get any information from launchpad about my account. Trying to make a new account says one already exists. Doing the 'lost password' thing says that it sent an email, but I have never gotten one.
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[08:53] <jordi> damn, I missed highvoltage
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[09:04] <jamesh> jordi: we fixed his problem
[09:06] <zyga> the amazing thing about FOSS is that no matter where you are, what time it is, there is someone, somewhere, always, working on improving something... every single moment :-)
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[09:16] <LarstiQ> zyga: that's not particular to FOSS I'm afraid
[09:18] <zyga> LarstiQ: seesh! you ruined my mood ;-)
[09:18] <LarstiQ> zyga: aww, I should have followed my heart
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[09:31] <zyga> morning log lovers
[09:32] <kiko> and goat lovers
[09:32] <zyga> I was trying to request bugfix in distro
[09:32] <zyga> and launchpad died
[09:32] <kiko> it does that sometimes
[09:32] <kiko> was it already requested?
[09:32] <zyga> no
[09:32] <zyga> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/vim/+bug/3743
[09:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #3743: gvim.desktop should not be packaged with vim Fix req. for: vim (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/3743
[09:32] <zyga> it was a fresh bug
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