| Kamion | IME you don't need to separate them | 12:03 |
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| Akatemik | Hmm, might be since everything is still under powerpc | 12:04 |
| seb128 | is there any buildd master to push a rhythmbox retry? | 12:04 |
| Kamion | are you sure you caught all the reference? | 12:04 |
| Kamion | references | 12:04 |
| Akatemik | grep install * turns up nothing in the i-ppc folder | 12:04 |
| ogra | Akatemik, are you serious about xdm ? xdm is buggy afaik... | 12:05 |
| Akatemik | ogra: Yes, there's no room for kdm | 12:05 |
| Kamion | anyway, the bootloader configuration would definitely be what I'd double-check | 12:05 |
| ogra | hmm... probably switching to login app or wdm would help ... | 12:05 |
| Akatemik | Agreed, but can't find anything wrong with it | 12:06 |
| ogra | me neither, else i'd have fixed it before release :) | 12:06 |
| Akatemik | Kamion: http://pastebin.com/411506 | 12:07 |
| ogra | i was looking at it shortly before release ... dunno if fabbiones last upload fixed it ... he did an upload one or two days before release | 12:07 |
| Akatemik | ogra: Umm? | 12:08 |
| Akatemik | ogra: You mean breezy's yaboot.conf isn't supposed to work? | 12:08 |
| Kamion | Akatemik: he's talking about xdm | 12:08 |
| Akatemik | Ah | 12:08 |
| ogra | Akatemik, i only talk about xdm | 12:08 |
| Akatemik | ogra: I was agreeing to Kamion | 12:09 |
| ogra | oh, ok... | 12:09 |
| Kamion | Akatemik: is that line wrap between lines 32 and 33 really there? | 12:09 |
| tseng | \sh: there can only be one sh! | 12:09 |
| Akatemik | Kamion: No | 12:09 |
| \sh | tseng: hmmm | 12:10 |
| Kamion | Akatemik: presumably you adjusted the -hfs-bless argument to mkisofs | 12:10 |
| Akatemik | Kamion: Yes | 12:10 |
| tseng | \sh: soren hansen | 12:10 |
| \sh | tseng: give me a short summary | 12:10 |
| \sh | tseng: i don't get it now...just because i'm somewhat tired | 12:10 |
| tseng | \sh: he is on dapper-changes right before your last upload | 12:10 |
| Akatemik | Kamion: http://pastebin.com/411510 | 12:11 |
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| Akatemik | That's the script I use to regenerate the iso image | 12:11 |
| tseng | \sh: if you didnt get it yet, any humor is gone | 12:11 |
| tseng | sorry | 12:11 |
| \sh | tseng: sry.. | 12:11 |
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| Akatemik | Kamion: I doubt it would even get a kernel panic without the bless, it wouldn't even get to yaboot. | 12:12 |
| CarlFK | Kamion - what do you call stable and testing? (if not stable and testing) | 12:12 |
| Kamion | Akatemik: indeed | 12:12 |
| Kamion | CarlFK: we don't | 12:13 |
| CarlFK | Kamion - that cant be ;) | 12:15 |
| CarlFK | what would you call breezy before and after it was released? | 12:15 |
| crimsun | 5.10 | 12:15 |
| \sh | after release 5.10 | 12:16 |
| CarlFK | lol | 12:16 |
| \sh | before release easily breezy | 12:16 |
| Akatemik | CarlFK: Lemme guess, a debian user :? | 12:16 |
| CarlFK | nope. never did deb, but once I started using Ubuntu I did kidna get exposed to some debisims | 12:17 |
| CarlFK | Im trying to make my PXE boot menu have 2 sections: one for stable/current/real/useme and one for testing/beta/risky/danger | 12:18 |
| Kamion | CarlFK: breezy before release, breezy or 5.10 after release | 12:19 |
| Kamion | Akatemik: I'm out of ideas for now I'm afraid; it does look ok | 12:19 |
| bob2 | smeg is obsolete now? | 12:19 |
| Kamion | I'd have to look at the box myself to help much further | 12:20 |
| sivang | whois bob2 | 12:20 |
| CarlFK | grr - Im about to call my 2 sections before and after - noone wlll have a clue what they refer to | 12:20 |
| Kamion | CarlFK: I think if you used "stable" and "unstable" most people would understand what you were referring to | 12:20 |
| CarlFK | myself included... | 12:20 |
| bob2 | sivang: 1024D/1E73B7CD | 12:20 |
| Kamion | "testing" would be confusing since we don't have any process similar to the one that generates Debian testing | 12:20 |
| CarlFK | Kamion - thats all I was looking for. a pair of terms that was "blessed" | 12:21 |
| Kamion | they're not blessed as such, but due to our Debian heritage they'll more or less be understood | 12:21 |
| Kamion | we don't use "stable" because we have multiple stable releases at any one time | 12:22 |
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| Q-FUNK | jbailey: happy birthday! :) | 12:22 |
| jbailey | Q-FUNK: Thanks! | 12:24 |
| azeem | jbailey: hey, from me, too | 12:25 |
| jbailey | Thanks Michael =) | 12:25 |
| Q-FUNK | jbailey: you guys go to cafe campus or foufounes and have fun. I'll tag along in spirit :) | 12:25 |
| jbailey | Mmmm spirits. | 12:26 |
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| sivang | jbailey: happy birthday from here as well :) | 12:26 |
| jbailey | =) | 12:26 |
| CarlFK | someday I am going to make the virtual cake machine... | 12:27 |
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| Akatemik | Kamion: Well, thanks anyway :/ | 12:29 |
| Akatemik | Kamion: Note that I didn't use all the args with mkisofs as given in the doc | 12:29 |
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| Akatemik | There were multiple howtos for ppc, so it is kind of a union | 12:30 |
| \sh | fabbione: slept well? | 12:30 |
| fabbione | \sh: yeah | 12:30 |
| \sh | fabbione: lucky man :) | 12:31 |
| fabbione | is jbailey anywhere around | 12:31 |
| fabbione | ? | 12:31 |
| CarlFK | fabbione - he is eating his birthday cake ;) | 12:31 |
| fabbione | ah ok | 12:32 |
| fabbione | is everybody still downstair? | 12:32 |
| ajmitch | jbailey is still sitting here | 12:33 |
| \sh | not me...laying naked on the bed and trying to relax | 12:33 |
| fabbione | ajmitch: here as in s1? | 12:33 |
| ajmitch | yes | 12:33 |
| fabbione | ok thanks | 12:33 |
| fabbione | catch you soon down there | 12:33 |
| tseng | you guys are already done for the day? | 12:34 |
| Kamion | Akatemik: I'm unconvinced by the second one on LiveCDCustomizationHowTo; it uses a lot of dubious options | 12:34 |
| ajmitch | tseng: yes, love day was short | 12:34 |
| Akatemik | Kamion: Agreed | 12:34 |
| Kamion | the first matches what we're using on the current CDs, with the exception of CHRP stuff (-chrp-boot -l) | 12:34 |
| Akatemik | Kamion: However it claims that the first one does not boot | 12:35 |
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| Kamion | and some sorting weight stuff which isn't important for bootability] | 12:35 |
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| Kamion | Akatemik: with no information about the machine type on which it didn't boot | 12:35 |
| Akatemik | Kamion: Umm, the first one does not have the -chrp-boot... | 12:35 |
| Kamion | if it was a CHRP, then indeed ... | 12:35 |
| Kamion | Akatemik: indeed, but that doesn't matter on an iBook | 12:35 |
| Akatemik | Kamion: I couldn't even find that option in mkisofs | 12:36 |
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| Akatemik | Kamion: Hmm, I wonder if I should try to make a pure ppc-livecd first and see how to make that work. | 12:37 |
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| Kamion | $ mkisofs --help 2>&1 | grep chrp | 12:38 |
| Kamion | -chrp-boot Add CHRP boot header | 12:38 |
| Akatemik | Oh great, --help is more current than manpages... | 12:38 |
| Akatemik | So unheard of coming from obsd side :/ | 12:38 |
| Kamion | ah, yeah, seems not to be in the man page, that's a bug | 12:39 |
| Kamion | it would certainly be worth trying a trivial remaster (i.e. no changes) of the powerpc live CD as a control | 12:39 |
| Akatemik | Kamion: So the first command in the howto is what you use on official lives for ppc? | 12:41 |
| Kamion | it was at the time; I don't think the changes since then should be required for iBooks | 12:43 |
| Akatemik | Kamion: Do you have the makefiles/scripts somewhere on a cvs or is it just something that someone does on their own computer? | 12:43 |
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| Kamion | all we've added since has been -chrp-boot -iso-level 2 | 12:43 |
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| Kamion | it's in arch, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/archives/colin.watson@canonical.com--2005/, colin.watson@canonical.com--2005/debian-cd--ubuntu--0 | 12:46 |
| Kamion | but trust me, you really don't want to use debian-cd unless you have to; it's very complicated to operate | 12:46 |
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| Kamion | I have colin.watson@canonical.com--2005/cdimage--mainline--0 to wrap it, but even then it's hard to set up | 12:47 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: in my CFT | 12:47 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: oh and I need to get bzr installed on little first | 12:47 |
| Keybuk | CFT? | 12:47 |
| Kamion | copious free time | 12:47 |
| Keybuk | maybe you should get mdz to do it, now he has all that free time from not approving specs | 12:48 |
| Kamion | heh | 12:48 |
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| Kamion | (since it recently built on sparc, so it was probably just waiting for libparted1.6-13) | 12:51 |
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| the--dud | does anyone know who's in charge of the server distro of ubuntu? | 12:55 |
| the--dud | of/for/in | 12:56 |
| the--dud | something hehe | 12:56 |
| tseng | its just a seperate install cd | 12:56 |
| tseng | different set of packages in the cd image | 12:56 |
| tseng | all the usual suspects are responsible | 12:56 |
| the--dud | okies | 12:57 |
| Akatemik | Hmm, ubuntu as a server | 12:58 |
| bob2 | branding them as different things really lead to a lot of confusion | 01:00 |
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| dan_ | hello | 01:51 |
| the--dud | hi dan | 01:51 |
| dan_ | i need some help finding sound drivers for my motherboard. can you help? | 01:51 |
| the--dud | perhaps, I could try | 01:51 |
| the--dud | I dunno if -devel is the place to ask, but go ahead | 01:52 |
| dan_ | its a elitegroup 741gx-m | 01:52 |
| dan_ | the elitegroup website has the drivers on there but their for windows | 01:52 |
| bob2 | #ubuntu is the place to ask | 01:53 |
| the--dud | hmm, let me try to figure out which chipset it uses | 01:53 |
| bob2 | also, you'll need to find out what chipset it has, if you don't know already | 01:53 |
| dan_ | i dont | 01:54 |
| the--dud | "AMD-based motherboard using SiS 741GX and SiS964L chipsets" | 01:54 |
| bob2 | anyway, #ubuntu, not here | 01:54 |
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| CarlFK | tweeking my cron scrips and wondering: is there a daily dapper dir yet? (dont shoot me) | 02:07 |
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| mxpxpod | can someone help me debug a problem I'm having with gksudo? | 02:22 |
| mxpxpod | I'm getting a corrupted double linked list error when I use the --message option and specify a full path to an executable | 02:24 |
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| Amaranth | congrats mjg59 | 02:38 |
| Lathiat | did he get elected or something? | 02:38 |
| tseng | yes | 02:38 |
| bob2 | Amaranth: is the alacarte debian source available anywhere? | 02:39 |
| Amaranth | bob2: http://dev.realistanew.com/alacarte/releases/0.8/deb-src | 02:40 |
| Amaranth | bob2: but seb128 had some issues with the current packaging | 02:40 |
| Amaranth | it's basically a good package for breezy users but for dapper i need to change some things | 02:40 |
| bob2 | yeah, I itp'd it for debian...might just go from scratch then | 02:40 |
| Amaranth | well, it's just the mv in rules and the symlinks that he didn't like | 02:40 |
| Amaranth | and that i made a new package instead of working off the smeg one | 02:41 |
| bob2 | hah | 02:41 |
| bob2 | at least you remembered to Replace it ;p | 02:41 |
| Amaranth | Replaces, Provides, Conflicts | 02:42 |
| Amaranth | so it would cleanly replace smeg in breezy and not remove ubuntu-desktop | 02:42 |
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| bob2 | haha | 02:53 |
| bob2 | there's a SMEG entry in wikipedia | 02:53 |
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| Amaranth | cool, but incorrect | 02:54 |
| Amaranth | i'm in there too | 02:54 |
| Amaranth | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_Watkins | 02:54 |
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| Amaranth | hey mpt | 03:02 |
| mpt | hi Amaranth | 03:05 |
| Amaranth | don't suppose you've ever played with alacarte :) | 03:06 |
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| mpt | alacarte | 03:17 |
| mpt | the name is familiar | 03:17 |
| mpt | It's the new name for something, isn't it | 03:17 |
| mpt | ah, the menu editor | 03:17 |
| mpt | no, not yet | 03:18 |
| Amaranth | i thought maybe you could give it a spin so i could claim to have some UI testing for 0.9 ;) | 03:21 |
| mpt | okie | 03:22 |
| mpt | but not tonight | 03:22 |
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| the--dud | Amaranth, url? | 03:22 |
| Amaranth | i'm hoping i can release 0.9 in two weeks, sit on it for 3-4 weeks collecting bug reports and translations, then have 1.0 for dapper :) | 03:22 |
| Amaranth | mpt: that's fine, no hurry | 03:22 |
| Amaranth | the--dud: http://dev.realistanew.com/alacarte/releases/0.8/ | 03:22 |
| mpt | I've got to get lots of sleep in preparation for being triple-booked in the first BoF session tomorrow | 03:24 |
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| Amaranth | what is the first session? | 03:25 |
| mpt | it's, like, everything | 03:25 |
| Amaranth | oh, it's a bunch running at once? | 03:25 |
| mpt | well, there's the keynote and then there's the process walkthrough | 03:26 |
| mpt | and then there's the carnage | 03:26 |
| mpt | I'll be at UbuntuExpress by executive order | 03:26 |
| Amaranth | boo | 03:26 |
| mpt | boo? | 03:27 |
| Amaranth | gtk frontend to d-i is a much better plan | 03:27 |
| mpt | how so? | 03:27 |
| Lathiat | Amaranth: no its for a different target | 03:27 |
| the--dud | I get an import error, but I'm still running hoary btw | 03:27 |
| Lathiat | Amaranth: its to install off the live cd, explicitly | 03:27 |
| Lathiat | not to make a better installer frontend | 03:27 |
| mpt | My girlfriend is bitching at me about Ubuntu's non-graphical install | 03:27 |
| the--dud | nice python coding also | 03:27 |
| mpt | (figuratively speaking) | 03:28 |
| Amaranth | the--dud: the code is horrid | 03:28 |
| the--dud | mpt, kick her in the head hehe | 03:28 |
| the--dud | Amaranth, :p | 03:28 |
| Amaranth | the--dud: I blame GTK+. | 03:28 |
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| farruinn | mpt: so that's why ubuntu is making the change? ;) | 03:28 |
| the--dud | anyway, its missing a module | 03:28 |
| Amaranth | the--dud: It's the "in" thing to do. | 03:28 |
| mpt | She says the Ubuntu partitioning is worse than the entire Gentoo installation process | 03:28 |
| === Lathiat laughs | ||
| mpt | (she was on Gentoo previously) | 03:28 |
| Amaranth | the--dud: No it's not, you are. :) hoary isn't supported | 03:28 |
| Lathiat | the suse installer is quite nice | 03:28 |
| Lathiat | overall | 03:28 |
| farruinn | partitioning is really the only difficult part, a graphical installer should help tremendously I think | 03:28 |
| Lathiat | also the suse boot process is pretty | 03:29 |
| Amaranth | bleh | 03:29 |
| Amaranth | i like ours better than a hack to run an X server right away like that | 03:29 |
| mpt | Anyone got a Suse install disc lying around? | 03:29 |
| the--dud | Amaranth, checked out http://primates.ximian.com/~sandino/python-glade/ btw? I found it quite excellent to work with | 03:29 |
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| Lathiat | the x server isnt run right away | 03:29 |
| Lathiat | its vesafb i think | 03:29 |
| farruinn | Lathiat: never used suse, but I was very impressed with usplash the first time I booted breezy! | 03:29 |
| Lathiat | fedora uses the xserver mid-0boot | 03:29 |
| Amaranth | and the boot server takes over acpi stuff so the regular running server doesn't get access to it | 03:29 |
| the--dud | much cleaner code, without all the retardedness of the pygtk | 03:29 |
| Amaranth | the--dud: It's not clean _at all_. | 03:30 |
| Amaranth | the--dud: It pollutes my namespace with all the junk from the glade file. | 03:30 |
| mpt | farruinn, yeah, and I have personal motivation to be involved in the design | 03:30 |
| the--dud | well, I've only just look briefly at it... you might be right | 03:30 |
| Lathiat | Amaranth: glade file isnt supposed to have junk? :) | 03:31 |
| Amaranth | Lathiat: I don't name widgets I don't interact with. | 03:31 |
| Amaranth | Lathiat: They get default names. | 03:31 |
| Amaranth | boxes and bonobo containers and such | 03:31 |
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| bur[n] er | is there a Dapper wishlist for users to post something to? I just want to vent an idea about using tightvnc with vino and maybe even adding support for the tightvnc file transfer | 03:54 |
| zakame | hi all | 03:54 |
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| wasabi | In bash. Trying to figure out if a string contains another substring. | 04:07 |
| Keybuk | in bash [[ string = "*substring*" ] ] | 04:08 |
| wasabi | ahh | 04:09 |
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| Keybuk | iirc | 04:09 |
| Keybuk | it might need == and or =~ or something | 04:10 |
| Keybuk | anyway, bed | 04:10 |
| jdub | wow, 905 votes on dragon vs. duck, and they're at NECK AND NECK | 04:23 |
| jdub | s/at // | 04:23 |
| Kamion | wasabi: case $string in *substring*) stuff; more stuff ;; esac | 04:23 |
| Kamion | (portable sh) | 04:23 |
| Kamion | Amaranth: hoary is supported | 04:23 |
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| Amaranth | Kamion: Not by alacarte. | 04:24 |
| Kamion | oh, I see | 04:24 |
| Kamion | missed the context, sorry | 04:24 |
| robitaille | jdub, neck to neck? 45 votes between the 2. It's close, but not that close :) | 04:27 |
| === robitaille is behind the duck | ||
| jdub | robitaille: percentage wise though ;) | 04:27 |
| Amaranth | the duck will get us laughed at, the dragon will get use KDE references | 04:28 |
| wasabi | Okay. dpkg-divert question now. My package, during it's postinst, is auto generating new /etc/pam.d/common-* files. So, I want to move the old out of the wya. | 04:28 |
| Amaranth | "they have a dragon for a logo but don't use KDE? wtf" | 04:29 |
| wasabi | Proper way to do this... I'm using --divert --rename from orig to orig.dpkg-$pkgname | 04:29 |
| Kamion | you can't divert conffiles, it doesn't work | 04:29 |
| wasabi | Is that appropiate? | 04:29 |
| wasabi | Oh? | 04:29 |
| wasabi | Hmm. | 04:29 |
| Kamion | oh, and in fact they're configuration files not conffiles | 04:29 |
| Kamion | diversions work even less well on those | 04:29 |
| wasabi | Heh. | 04:29 |
| wasabi | Okay, so I should manually back them up. | 04:30 |
| Kamion | changing /etc/pam.d/common-* from a package other than libpam-runtime is really pretty wrong | 04:30 |
| Kamion | unless it's a local-use package only | 04:30 |
| wasabi | Define local-use? | 04:30 |
| Kamion | never intended to be uploaded to a distribution | 04:31 |
| wasabi | Ahh. | 04:31 |
| wasabi | Darn. =( | 04:31 |
| wasabi | So what's the appropiate way to do this. I am trying to create a configuration program for krb5 and ldap. | 04:31 |
| Kamion | oh, if it's a *program* doing it, not package maintainer scripts, that's ok | 04:31 |
| jdub | night all | 04:31 |
| Kamion | that counts as sysadmin action | 04:31 |
| wasabi | Ahh, I should move this to a program then. | 04:32 |
| wasabi | Makes sense. | 04:32 |
| Kamion | package maintainer scripts generally aren't allowed to do that sort of thing because it's way too easy for packages to get installed for one reason or another | 04:32 |
| wasabi | Yeah. | 04:32 |
| wasabi | Last question for a bit. I have a file that has @FOO@ in it. I want to replace @FOO@ in that file with the contents of another file. | 04:32 |
| wasabi | Including line feeds. | 04:32 |
| Kamion | then you can just back them up to a name of your choice (not .dpkg-*) | 04:33 |
| wasabi | One thing I'm concerned about is that I don't want the libpam-runtime postinst to attempt to replace the user's files on the next install. | 04:33 |
| wasabi | Especially to ask for the diff. | 04:33 |
| wasabi | Because it won't make sense to the target user group at all. | 04:33 |
| Kamion | perl -pi -e 'BEGIN { open OTHERFILE, "otherfile" or die "open otherfile"; undef $/; $otherfile = <OTHERFILE>; chomp $otherfile; close OTHERFILE } s/@FOO@/$otherfile/g' file | 04:34 |
| Kamion | or something like that | 04:34 |
| wasabi | Fun. | 04:35 |
| Kamion | if you look at libpam-runtime.postinst, it actually only copies in the templates on a fresh install | 04:35 |
| Kamion | it doesn't do any diffing | 04:35 |
| wasabi | Ahh. Didn't know that. My mistake. | 04:36 |
| Kamion | well, no, it also updates the files if they're unmodified | 04:36 |
| wasabi | Ahh but it detects modification. | 04:36 |
| Kamion | but, either way, it should suit your purposes | 04:36 |
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| robitaille | jdub, ping | 04:53 |
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| bob2 | who is "charles-ubuntu"? | 05:46 |
| bob2 | and shouldn't people in the "Ubuntu Core Development Team" have some link to their real identity on launchpad? | 05:47 |
| Lathiat | daniels: woo dude, that mesa update fixed nvidia gl on my laptop | 06:03 |
| Lathiat | daniels: thankkyouuuuuuuuuuu | 06:03 |
| Lathiat | :) | 06:03 |
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| mdke | it's about 24 hours that I've been seing this: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-security/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2) | 06:09 |
| mdke | no one else sees it? | 06:10 |
| bob2 | why is bzip2 trying to unpack a .gz? | 06:10 |
| Lathiat | daniels: hrm, it also fixed a missing function | 06:11 |
| Lathiat | daniels: nice | 06:11 |
| mdke | bob2, I don't know | 06:11 |
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| infinity | bob2 : It's not, apt just sucks at error messages. | 06:13 |
| mdke | i did a dpkg-reconfigure on apt, still the same message | 06:14 |
| infinity | IIRC, that Packages.gz string is hardcoded and reused for all "compressed Packages files" | 06:14 |
| mdke | any idea what is the problem? | 06:14 |
| infinity | mdke : rm /var/lib/apt/lists/sec* && apt-get update | 06:15 |
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| infinity | Do you still get the message? | 06:15 |
| mdke | infinity, yes | 06:15 |
| Mez|Away | lo infinity :D | 06:15 |
| Mez|Away | infinity, do you have access to create breezy-backports so it doesnt 404 | 06:16 |
| infinity | Nope. | 06:17 |
| mdke | infinity, is it a problem with the archive online? | 06:17 |
| mdke | Mez|Away, that really needs to get sorted, it's the hugest bug ever | 06:17 |
| infinity | mdke : I dunno dude, it Works For Me. | 06:19 |
| mdke | :( | 06:19 |
| infinity | Mez|Away : You get to bug elmo for that one, not me. | 06:19 |
| mdke | infinity, is there just one security archive? | 06:20 |
| infinity | Yes, only one host serves security. | 06:21 |
| mdke | hmm | 06:21 |
| mdke | odd | 06:21 |
| mdke | only universe gives me a problem | 06:21 |
| bob2 | infinity: hah | 06:23 |
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| jsgotangco | Riddell: awake? | 07:05 |
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| zakame | heya all | 08:20 |
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| zakame | wb zyga | 08:22 |
| zyga | zakame: hello :-) | 08:22 |
| zyga | how to efficiently talk to upstream? | 08:23 |
| zyga | any upstream in general | 08:23 |
| zakame | zyga: hang out at upstream's irc, if any? :) | 08:23 |
| zyga | zakame: yesterday I had a conversation on #freedesktop and it was less than optimistic | 08:25 |
| zakame | zyga: awww.. what' it about? | 08:26 |
| zyga | zakame: I asked about any preferences for the 'gettext domain' key for .desktop files | 08:26 |
| zyga | zakame: I was strongly suggested not to do it ;-) | 08:26 |
| zyga | after explaining my reasoning I was urged to fix dpkg ;-) | 08:27 |
| zakame | hmmm... how would dpkg be fixed? any breakage to be expected? | 08:29 |
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| zyga | zakame: it cannot handle subpackages, like if we wanted to have about 50 sub-packages with translations for each normal package | 08:30 |
| zakame | hmmm, that's a lot of subpackages | 08:32 |
| zyga | yeah | 08:33 |
| zyga | anyway I was told to go and learn about packaging (which could be a good idea *anyway*, but the feeling was less than plesuralbe) | 08:34 |
| zakame | well, implementing subpackages for dpkg would entail a new package format iirc, though I'm not intimate with dpkg/deb's internals | 08:38 |
| zyga | zakame: it definitly would and I don't think that's a good idea | 08:40 |
| zakame | hmmm... | 08:46 |
| zakame | hmmm, libmecache isn't packaged yet, even in debian... only libmemcached for perl is... | 09:03 |
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| zakame | bye all, later | 09:13 |
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| ukh | I'm not an Ubuntu user, but I really want to contribute a patch on the Malone page. What is the correct way to do that? Or is there any kind of mail interface like with the BTS? | 10:06 |
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| blueyed_ | ukh: I think you can attach it there, can't you? | 10:08 |
| ukh | no, I just have a web interface allowing me to *paste* | 10:09 |
| ukh | (I would take this over the BTS, but the debian maintainer isn't very cooperative, so it's really no use going via the BTS) | 10:10 |
| rafl | elmo: ping | 10:10 |
| ukh | blueyed_: and 156 lines of line-wrapped diff won't make anyone happy... | 10:12 |
| rafl | elmo: It's a bit unrelated, but I only knew I can find you here. You created my @debian.org account yesterday, but I still did not get the mail. Could you please resend it? | 10:14 |
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| spayne | talking of debian.org emails, how do i get a @ubuntu.com email? | 10:17 |
| bob2 | by becoming a member | 10:17 |
| zyga_desktop | spayne, become a member | 10:17 |
| bob2 | or working for canonical | 10:17 |
| bob2 | both ways lead to stupid amounts of spam | 10:17 |
| bob2 | so I'd not recommend publicising it if you have one | 10:17 |
| spayne | zyga_desktop: i am a member! | 10:18 |
| spayne | bob2: i am a member! | 10:18 |
| bob2 | maybe you already have it then | 10:18 |
| spayne | is it a redirect? | 10:18 |
| spayne | bob2: my launchpad page doesn't say i'm a member yet - does that make any difference? | 10:19 |
| bob2 | I'd assume so | 10:19 |
| bob2 | yes, it's a forward | 10:19 |
| spayne | well, i'll just have to wait until a CC member adds me | 10:20 |
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| ukh | OK, let's turn it around. Is there a way to mail a specific Malone member? I refuse line-wrapped autoformatted patches. | 10:24 |
| bob2 | they may have blah@ubuntu.com | 10:24 |
| ukh | in this case, the bug is assigned to "MOTU". | 10:25 |
| bob2 | perhaps going to #ubuntu-motu would be simpler | 10:25 |
| bob2 | if malone still fucks up patches, tho, that is quite shit | 10:26 |
| ukh | still. I'm not an ubuntu user, just a frustrated debian user. what *is* MOTU? | 10:26 |
| spayne | Master of the Universe | 10:26 |
| bob2 | masters of the universe | 10:26 |
| spayne | a Ubuntu Develop who has full upload rights to the archives | 10:27 |
| bob2 | the people who maintain all the packages in the universe section of the ubuntu archive | 10:27 |
| bob2 | spayne: no | 10:27 |
| bob2 | being able to upload to universe has a much lower bar than uploading to main | 10:27 |
| spayne | bob2, can a MOTU upload to main? | 10:27 |
| bob2 | no | 10:27 |
| bob2 | some people in MOTU can upload to main, but in general, no | 10:28 |
| ukh | oh well. I'll mail it to the Ubuntu people on to of the debian/changelog and leave it at that. :-/ | 10:28 |
| bob2 | which is good, or else all of essential: yes would build-dep on cdbs and dpatch ;p | 10:28 |
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| pef | hello | 01:20 |
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| Akatemik | Where could I find the documentation of the home page for project casper? | 01:35 |
| Akatemik | Unfortunately it is such a common name, that google doesn't give useful results. | 01:35 |
| the--dud | www.google.com/linux | 01:38 |
| the--dud | try that :) | 01:38 |
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| Akatemik | the--dud: Nope. Neither does "casber ubuntu" find anything relevant, it is only meantioned in the bootloaders | 01:44 |
| Akatemik | s/casber/casper | 01:44 |
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| mpt | ukh, there's an "Add Attachment" link hidden in the box at the top right | 01:55 |
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| ukh | mpt: ha! that was very well hidden! thanks! | 01:57 |
| ivoks | khm.. | 01:58 |
| ivoks | problems with ubuntu lists | 01:59 |
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| Kamion | Akatemik: I don't believe it has a home page | 02:12 |
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| Kamion | it's all in the source package | 02:13 |
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| zakame | hmm, if a source tarball is a .bz2, do I have to repackage it as .gz, or keep it as it is? | 02:27 |
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| Mez | elmo: ping | 02:57 |
| Mez | (i cant be bothered to walk to the other side of the room) | 02:57 |
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| Mez | elmo: I dont know whats up, but I dont seem to be able to upload anymore | 02:59 |
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| Znarl | mez : Can I help? What error message are you getting? | 03:03 |
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| Mez | Znarl: I'm just not getting anything back from katie, nothings ngesgoing to dapper-cha | 03:04 |
| Mez | seems as if it's being silently discarded | 03:04 |
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| Znarl | Mez : ok, I can't help. Have to wait for elmo to appear. Sorry. | 03:06 |
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| Kamion | Mez: what package? | 03:08 |
| Mez | Kamion, vrm | 03:09 |
| Mez | s/vrm/vrms/ | 03:09 |
| Kamion | Mez: Rejected: Unknown distribution `unstable'. | 03:09 |
| Mez | ah... lol | 03:09 |
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| Mez | shouldnt katie email me about that? | 03:09 |
| Kamion | should've done, yeah | 03:10 |
| Mez | nothing back from katie :D | 03:10 |
| Mez | something to do with the @ubuntu.com emails? | 03:10 |
| Kamion | can't help you there | 03:10 |
| Mez | lets see if it works now | 03:14 |
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| seb128 | infinity, lamont: could you give a retry to evolution / rhythmbox builds ? | 03:20 |
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| spayne | how is it going at Montreal? | 03:22 |
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| zakame | wb \sh | 03:24 |
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| lamont | seb128: done | 03:32 |
| seb128 | lamont: thanks | 03:32 |
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| mdz | zul: the schedule for today is long since finalized | 03:53 |
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| zul | ok thanks anyways | 03:59 |
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| carl | i found a non-critical bug in gparted - what should I do? | 04:24 |
| carl | like where do I post | 04:24 |
| Burgundavia | carl, bugzilla | 04:25 |
| Kamion | bugzilla.ubuntu.com | 04:25 |
| jbailey | Wow, gparted is in main? | 04:26 |
| Kamion | yes | 04:26 |
| ogra | jbailey, yup, for express and the liveCd | 04:26 |
| Kamion | for ubuntu-express | 04:26 |
| mdz | zul: there will be further sessions, though; I'll see what can be done within scheduling constraints | 04:26 |
| mdz | zul: but we can't push all kernel-related things to the end of the summit; we wouldn't get through what we need to discuss | 04:27 |
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| carl | does gparted have some sort of -v or log option so I can cut/paste instead of describing the GUI? | 04:33 |
| dholbach | carl: no, not really | 04:34 |
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| wasabi_ | So like, I really want to use Debconf, from a stand alone app. | 05:00 |
| wasabi_ | Is that wise? | 05:00 |
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| vbgunz | wasabi_: not a support channel... I think we just stay in here waiting for a dev to leak something... not sure :P | 05:01 |
| wasabi_ | Not really a support question. ;) | 05:02 |
| vbgunz | wasabi_: hehe... :P | 05:06 |
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| Akatemik | Is there yet debootstrap fro dapper? | 05:19 |
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| carl | is there a way to see the last 10 bugzilla posts? | 05:37 |
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| carl | nm - found it | 05:38 |
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| carl | search between -1d and now | 05:38 |
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| giskard | hello | 05:43 |
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| giskard | i'm wodering if mako is still working for ubuntu | 05:45 |
| Treenaks | no | 05:45 |
| jsgotangco | no | 05:45 |
| giskard | uhm | 05:45 |
| jsgotangco | he's at MIT media labs now | 05:45 |
| giskard | http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember | 05:45 |
| giskard | Upon approval by the council, you will need to "sign" a copy of the Code of Conduct. This can be done in two ways: | 05:45 |
| giskard | 1. A cryptographic (GPG) signature on the text of the code itself sent to Benjamin Mako Hill | 05:45 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh right | 05:45 |
| jsgotangco | Mako is still with the Council | 05:46 |
| giskard | ah ok :) | 05:46 |
| giskard | thank you :) | 05:46 |
| jsgotangco | giskard: but now, you have to do that in launchpad | 05:46 |
| spayne | giskard: go to your launchpad page | 05:49 |
| spayne | giskard: and you will find it | 05:49 |
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| daniels | bradb: hey hey hey | 05:50 |
| bradb | hey dudes | 05:50 |
| giskard | I do not want to become an ud, i have read the blog of a person who wanted to become :) | 05:50 |
| giskard | thank you :) bye :) | 05:51 |
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| carstenh | pitti: hi, i guess you hava already talked about the firewall spec at ubz. any news or something important for me? | 05:52 |
| pitti | carstenh: we haven't, we are just in the very first session | 05:52 |
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| carstenh | ok, i will ask you again in some days :) | 05:53 |
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| Kamion | Akatemik: there's been debootstrap for dapper since about an hour after I woke up the day after dapper opened | 05:56 |
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| daniels | Kamion: which raises the question, why were you asleep? | 05:59 |
| jdub | mdz: ping | 06:01 |
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| carl | what does the ubuntu installer use to shrink an NTFS partition? | 06:28 |
| carl | ntfsresize seems to shrink the fs, but not change the partition size | 06:29 |
| carl | and gparted is being "weird" which I posted to bugzilla, and would like something else to help figure out what is wrong with gparted | 06:30 |
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| Kamion | daniels: oh, slacking, y'know | 06:50 |
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| Kamion | carl: ntfsresize | 06:50 |
| Kamion | carl: and libparted to change the actual partition size | 06:50 |
| CarlFK | how can I find what depends on libparted? | 06:52 |
| dredg | apt-cache rdepends | 06:53 |
| zyga | awwwwwwwwwwwww | 06:59 |
| zyga | latest evolution update killed my contacts | 06:59 |
| zyga | did anyone notice this rather unfortunate event? | 06:59 |
| mdke | i didn't notice an evolution update of any kind | 07:01 |
| dholbach | zyga: me too - yay :) | 07:01 |
| zyga | dholbach: :-) | 07:02 |
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| mdke | ah well if you're on dapper... | 07:02 |
| zyga | yeah ;-) | 07:02 |
| mdke | you can't complain | 07:03 |
| mdke | :) | 07:03 |
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| zyga | mdke: I sure can complain but no-one will listen | 07:07 |
| zyga | mdke: would you complain if some script by 'accident' did rm -rf / | 07:07 |
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| mdke | zyga, not if I was on dapper, no | 07:08 |
| mdke | i'd file a bug | 07:08 |
| mdke | and mark it very important | 07:08 |
| zyga | heh ;) | 07:09 |
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| dieman | wow | 07:16 |
| dieman | the launchpad user profile stuff works really well | 07:17 |
| dieman | even account merging! | 07:17 |
| dieman | shoot | 07:19 |
| dieman | my wikiname is messed up now i think | 07:19 |
| dieman | ahh | 07:20 |
| dieman | there we go | 07:20 |
| dieman | fixed it | 07:20 |
| daniels | fabbione: xdm should be generally fixed now | 07:25 |
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| cas | Hi, A simple question but I couldn't find it. Is there a reason why ivman isn't included in the base install? | 08:00 |
| Akatemik | Kamion: Yeah, I noticed when I checked the main dapper repo. Mirror I was looking didn't include it. | 08:07 |
| cas | what "Source Package Name" in bugs I must select to report a wish item for dapper in launchpad/UBZ? | 08:10 |
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| haggai | pitti: hi, how did you transition the postgresql repo from cvs to arch? Did you get any of the tools to work? | 08:48 |
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| pef | slomo: hello, your correction for midnight-commander works fine for me ! (weird display in virtual console) | 09:14 |
| slomo | pef: ok, fine :) thanks for reporting | 09:14 |
| zyga | slomo: did mc finally get utf8 support? | 09:15 |
| slomo | zyga: yes... works for me and a few others but would be nice if you could test it too ;) | 09:16 |
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| zyga | slomo: just point a finger :) | 09:17 |
| slomo | zyga: when you use dapper you already have it ;) | 09:18 |
| zyga | slomo: checking | 09:18 |
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| === zyga lost evolution's data ;/ | ||
| slomo | zyga: then get it from here http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/mc/ | 09:18 |
| slomo | zyga: 4.6.1-1ubuntu1 | 09:18 |
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| zyga | slomo: okay so.... | 09:20 |
| zyga | one thing worked :) | 09:20 |
| zyga | other did not | 09:20 |
| slomo | ok, which did work and which not? ;) | 09:20 |
| zyga | locale menus worked | 09:20 |
| zyga | I have a folder called nihongo (in japanese) and that did not work | 09:20 |
| zyga | it was displayed as small squares | 09:20 |
| zyga | in vt, in X everything worked fine | 09:21 |
| slomo | then your terminal font doesn't have the right characters | 09:21 |
| slomo | oh... hmm | 09:21 |
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| slomo | yes probably that problem then ;) | 09:21 |
| zyga | slomo: strange though | 09:21 |
| slomo | why? | 09:21 |
| zyga | slomo: debian-installer manages to show a whole zoo of characters on startup | 09:21 |
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| slomo | zyga: hmm... no idea... but when it works in X it shouldn't be mc's problem... i really think it's the terminal font... what happens when you write this characters by hand in a vt? | 09:23 |
| zyga | slomo: I don't really know how do to that :) | 09:23 |
| zyga | slomo: I created that folder in X with special input methods | 09:23 |
| slomo | zyga: hehe... i don't know either :) | 09:23 |
| zyga | how does one use kana on vt ... beats me :) | 09:24 |
| zyga | any japanese developer around? | 09:24 |
| dieman | heh | 09:24 |
| dieman | the NetworkWideUpdates spec is something i may be able to work on at work | 09:24 |
| shawarma | Does anyone know if the bounty program will continue in Dapper with new bounties? | 09:25 |
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| zyga | dieman: luck you | 09:25 |
| zyga | s/\W\y\ | 09:25 |
| zyga | (I hope I got that right) | 09:25 |
| dieman | yeah, something like that :) | 09:26 |
| zyga | whooooah!!! | 09:27 |
| zyga | anone with dapper | 09:27 |
| zyga | can you run gvim | 09:27 |
| dieman | i think mvo heard us sometime in the past on #ubuntu talking about it | 09:27 |
| zyga | zyga@falcon:~$ gvim | 09:27 |
| zyga | E25: GUI cannot be used: Not enabled at compile time | 09:27 |
| slomo | zyga: works for me ;) | 09:28 |
| zyga | slomo: really strange | 09:28 |
| slomo | zyga: do you have vim-gnome installed? | 09:28 |
| shawarma | zyga: you got vim-gtk? | 09:28 |
| zyga | slomo: no but I have menu entry | 09:28 |
| zyga | I got neither | 09:28 |
| slomo | zyga: strange, i have none ;) | 09:28 |
| zyga | slomo: dpkg-query -S gvim shows that gvim.desktop is in vim not in vim-{gnome,gtk} | 09:29 |
| zyga | smells like a bug | 09:29 |
| dieman | makes me wish i setup some time for ubz and show up and stuff | 09:29 |
| dieman | oh well | 09:29 |
| slomo | zyga: yes... it is ;) | 09:29 |
| zyga | arghh | 09:31 |
| zyga | I broke launchpad again | 09:31 |
| slomo | zyga: maybe prepare a debdiff to fix this? :) | 09:31 |
| zyga | slomo: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/vim/+bug/3743 | 09:32 |
| zyga | not today :) | 09:32 |
| zyga | vim is a hog to build on my laptop | 09:32 |
| dieman | hah | 09:32 |
| dieman | tickets to canada on short notice cost more money than god | 09:33 |
| dieman | like $1k+ | 09:33 |
| dieman | $1600 non-stop ;) | 09:33 |
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| zyga | aww damn yu | 09:34 |
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| zyga | uhhh | 09:42 |
| zyga | vim's build hangs on a broken patch (it asks for a file to patch) | 09:42 |
| zyga | I think I'll leave this for the smart guys to solve | 09:42 |
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| cevizoglu | what is the best UI toolkit to use if I want to share a good deal of the UI code with Carbon UI API's on Mac OS X? | 10:22 |
| cevizoglu | GTK2? | 10:22 |
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| Amaranth | nothing, basically | 10:36 |
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| Amaranth | and that really isn't an #ubuntu-devel kind of question | 10:36 |
| cevizoglu | why? | 10:37 |
| Amaranth | this is a channel for people working on ubuntu to discuss things, not a channel for random developers using ubuntu | 10:37 |
| cevizoglu | I thought that was what ubuntu-motu is for | 10:37 |
| farruinn | I've found a broken dependency in dapper (python2.4-gnome2-extras), but I can't report it on bugzilla (says I must choose a component, but there is no component field on the form) | 10:38 |
| Amaranth | no, ubuntu-motu is for people working on universe | 10:38 |
| cevizoglu | so this channel is for someone working on any other part of ubuntu? | 10:38 |
| Amaranth | for people working on main, basically | 10:39 |
| cevizoglu | oh, I guess I got the wrong meaning for "ubuntu-development" | 10:39 |
| cevizoglu | I will go away then | 10:40 |
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| spayne | night all | 10:48 |
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| ompaul | mako, u awake? | 10:55 |
| mako | ompaul: yes | 10:55 |
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