[12:03] <Kamion> IME you don't need to separate them
[12:04] <Akatemik> Hmm, might be since everything is still under powerpc
[12:04] <seb128> is there any buildd master to push a rhythmbox retry? 
[12:04] <Kamion> are you sure you caught all the reference?
[12:04] <Kamion> references
[12:04] <Akatemik> grep install * turns up nothing in the i-ppc folder
[12:05] <ogra> Akatemik, are you serious about xdm ? xdm is buggy afaik...
[12:05] <Akatemik> ogra: Yes, there's no room for kdm
[12:05] <Kamion> anyway, the bootloader configuration would definitely be what I'd double-check
[12:05] <ogra> hmm... probably switching to login app or wdm would help ...
[12:06] <Akatemik> Agreed, but can't find anything wrong with it
[12:06] <ogra> me neither, else i'd have fixed it before release :)
[12:07] <Akatemik> Kamion: http://pastebin.com/411506
[12:07] <ogra> i was looking at it shortly before release ... dunno if fabbiones last upload fixed it ... he did an upload one or two days before release
[12:08] <Akatemik> ogra: Umm?
[12:08] <Akatemik> ogra: You mean breezy's yaboot.conf isn't supposed to work?
[12:08] <Kamion> Akatemik: he's talking about xdm
[12:08] <Akatemik> Ah
[12:08] <ogra> Akatemik, i only talk about xdm
[12:09] <Akatemik> ogra: I was agreeing to Kamion
[12:09] <ogra> oh, ok...
[12:09] <Kamion> Akatemik: is that line wrap between lines 32 and 33 really there?
[12:09] <tseng> \sh: there can only be one sh!
[12:09] <Akatemik> Kamion: No
[12:10] <\sh> tseng: hmmm
[12:10] <Kamion> Akatemik: presumably you adjusted the -hfs-bless argument to mkisofs
[12:10] <Akatemik> Kamion: Yes
[12:10] <tseng> \sh: soren hansen
[12:10] <\sh> tseng: give me a short summary
[12:10] <\sh> tseng: i don't get it now...just because i'm somewhat tired
[12:10] <tseng> \sh: he is on dapper-changes right before your last upload
[12:11] <Akatemik> Kamion: http://pastebin.com/411510
[12:11] <Akatemik> That's the script I use to regenerate the iso image
[12:11] <tseng> \sh: if you didnt get it yet, any humor is gone
[12:11] <tseng> sorry
[12:11] <\sh> tseng: sry..
[12:12] <Akatemik> Kamion: I doubt it would even get a kernel panic without the bless, it wouldn't even get to yaboot.
[12:12] <CarlFK> Kamion - what do you call stable and testing?  (if not stable and testing)
[12:12] <Kamion> Akatemik: indeed
[12:13] <Kamion> CarlFK: we don't
[12:15] <CarlFK> Kamion - that cant be ;)
[12:15] <CarlFK> what would you call breezy before and after it was released?
[12:15] <crimsun> 5.10
[12:16] <\sh> after release 5.10
[12:16] <CarlFK> lol
[12:16] <\sh> before release easily breezy
[12:16] <Akatemik> CarlFK: Lemme guess, a debian user :?
[12:17] <CarlFK> nope.  never did deb, but once I started using Ubuntu I did kidna get exposed to some debisims
[12:18] <CarlFK> Im trying to make my PXE boot menu have 2 sections: one for stable/current/real/useme and one for testing/beta/risky/danger
[12:19] <Kamion> CarlFK: breezy before release, breezy or 5.10 after release
[12:19] <Kamion> Akatemik: I'm out of ideas for now I'm afraid; it does look ok
[12:19] <bob2> smeg is obsolete now?
[12:20] <Kamion> I'd have to look at the box myself to help much further
[12:20] <sivang> whois bob2 
[12:20] <CarlFK> grr - Im about to call my 2 sections before and after - noone wlll have a clue what they refer to
[12:20] <Kamion> CarlFK: I think if you used "stable" and "unstable" most people would understand what you were referring to
[12:20] <CarlFK> myself included...
[12:20] <bob2> sivang: 1024D/1E73B7CD
[12:20] <Kamion> "testing" would be confusing since we don't have any process similar to the one that generates Debian testing
[12:21] <CarlFK> Kamion - thats all I was looking for.  a pair of terms that was "blessed" 
[12:21] <Kamion> they're not blessed as such, but due to our Debian heritage they'll more or less be understood
[12:22] <Kamion> we don't use "stable" because we have multiple stable releases at any one time
[12:22] <Q-FUNK> jbailey: happy birthday! :)
[12:24] <jbailey> Q-FUNK: Thanks!
[12:25] <azeem> jbailey: hey, from me, too
[12:25] <jbailey> Thanks Michael =)
[12:25] <Q-FUNK> jbailey: you guys go to cafe campus or foufounes and have fun.  I'll tag along in spirit :)
[12:26] <jbailey> Mmmm spirits.
[12:26] <sivang> jbailey: happy birthday from here as well :)
[12:26] <jbailey> =)
[12:27] <CarlFK> someday I am going to make the virtual cake machine...
[12:29] <Akatemik> Kamion: Well, thanks anyway :/
[12:29] <Akatemik> Kamion: Note that I didn't use all the args with mkisofs as given in the doc
[12:30] <Akatemik> There were multiple howtos for ppc, so it is kind of a union
[12:30] <\sh> fabbione: slept well?
[12:30] <fabbione> \sh: yeah
[12:31] <\sh> fabbione: lucky man :)
[12:31] <fabbione> is jbailey anywhere around
[12:31] <fabbione> ?
[12:31] <CarlFK> fabbione - he is eating his birthday cake ;)
[12:32] <fabbione> ah ok
[12:32] <fabbione> is everybody still downstair?
[12:33] <ajmitch> jbailey is still sitting here
[12:33] <\sh> not me...laying naked on the bed and trying to relax
[12:33] <fabbione> ajmitch: here as in s1?
[12:33] <ajmitch> yes
[12:33] <fabbione> ok thanks
[12:33] <fabbione> catch you soon down there
[12:34] <tseng> you guys are already done for the day?
[12:34] <Kamion> Akatemik: I'm unconvinced by the second one on LiveCDCustomizationHowTo; it uses a lot of dubious options
[12:34] <ajmitch> tseng: yes, love day was short
[12:34] <Akatemik> Kamion: Agreed
[12:34] <Kamion> the first matches what we're using on the current CDs, with the exception of CHRP stuff (-chrp-boot -l)
[12:35] <Akatemik> Kamion: However it claims that the first one does not boot
[12:35] <Kamion> and some sorting weight stuff which isn't important for bootability] 
[12:35] <Kamion> Akatemik: with no information about the machine type on which it didn't boot
[12:35] <Akatemik> Kamion: Umm, the first one does not have the -chrp-boot...
[12:35] <Kamion> if it was a CHRP, then indeed ...
[12:35] <Kamion> Akatemik: indeed, but that doesn't matter on an iBook
[12:36] <Akatemik> Kamion: I couldn't even find that option in mkisofs
[12:37] <Akatemik> Kamion: Hmm, I wonder if I should try to make a pure ppc-livecd first and see how to make that work.
[12:38] <Kamion> $ mkisofs --help 2>&1 | grep chrp
[12:38] <Kamion>   -chrp-boot                  Add CHRP boot header
[12:38] <Akatemik> Oh great, --help is more current than manpages...
[12:38] <Akatemik> So unheard of coming from obsd side :/
[12:39] <Kamion> ah, yeah, seems not to be in the man page, that's a bug
[12:39] <Kamion> it would certainly be worth trying a trivial remaster (i.e. no changes) of the powerpc live CD as a control
[12:41] <Akatemik> Kamion: So the first command in the howto is what you use on official lives for ppc?
[12:43] <Kamion> it was at the time; I don't think the changes since then should be required for iBooks
[12:43] <Akatemik> Kamion: Do you have the makefiles/scripts somewhere on a cvs or is it just something that someone does on their own computer?
[12:43] <Kamion> all we've added since has been -chrp-boot -iso-level 2
[12:46] <Kamion> it's in arch, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/archives/colin.watson@canonical.com--2005/, colin.watson@canonical.com--2005/debian-cd--ubuntu--0
[12:46] <Kamion> but trust me, you really don't want to use debian-cd unless you have to; it's very complicated to operate
[12:47] <Kamion> I have colin.watson@canonical.com--2005/cdimage--mainline--0 to wrap it, but even then it's hard to set up
[12:47] <Kamion> Keybuk: in my CFT
[12:47] <Kamion> Keybuk: oh and I need to get bzr installed on little first
[12:47] <Keybuk> CFT?
[12:47] <Kamion> copious free time
[12:48] <Keybuk> maybe you should get mdz to do it, now he has all that free time from not approving specs
[12:48] <Kamion> heh
[12:51] <Kamion> (since it recently built on sparc, so it was probably just waiting for libparted1.6-13)
[12:55] <the--dud> does anyone know who's in charge of the server distro of ubuntu?
[12:56] <the--dud> of/for/in
[12:56] <the--dud> something hehe
[12:56] <tseng> its just a seperate install cd
[12:56] <tseng> different set of packages in the cd image
[12:56] <tseng> all the usual suspects are responsible
[12:57] <the--dud> okies
[12:58] <Akatemik> Hmm, ubuntu as a server
[01:00] <bob2> branding them as different things really lead to a lot of confusion
[01:51] <dan_> hello
[01:51] <the--dud> hi dan
[01:51] <dan_> i need some help finding sound drivers for my motherboard. can you help?
[01:51] <the--dud> perhaps, I could try
[01:52] <the--dud> I dunno if -devel is the place to ask, but go ahead
[01:52] <dan_> its a elitegroup 741gx-m
[01:52] <dan_> the elitegroup website has the drivers on there but their for windows
[01:53] <bob2> #ubuntu is the place to ask
[01:53] <the--dud> hmm, let me try to figure out which chipset it uses
[01:53] <bob2> also, you'll need to find out what chipset it has, if you don't know already
[01:54] <dan_> i dont
[01:54] <the--dud> "AMD-based motherboard using SiS 741GX and SiS964L chipsets"
[01:54] <bob2> anyway, #ubuntu, not here
[02:07] <CarlFK> tweeking my cron scrips and wondering: is there a daily dapper dir yet? (dont shoot me)
[02:22] <mxpxpod> can someone help me debug a problem I'm having with gksudo?
[02:24] <mxpxpod> I'm getting a corrupted double linked list error when I use the --message option and specify a full path to an executable
[02:38] <Amaranth> congrats mjg59 
[02:38] <Lathiat> did he get elected or something?
[02:38] <tseng> yes
[02:39] <bob2> Amaranth: is the alacarte debian source available anywhere?
[02:40] <Amaranth> bob2: http://dev.realistanew.com/alacarte/releases/0.8/deb-src
[02:40] <Amaranth> bob2: but seb128 had some issues with the current packaging
[02:40] <Amaranth> it's basically a good package for breezy users but for dapper i need to change some things
[02:40] <bob2> yeah, I itp'd it for debian...might just go from scratch then
[02:40] <Amaranth> well, it's just the mv in rules and the symlinks that he didn't like
[02:41] <Amaranth> and that i made a new package instead of working off the smeg one
[02:41] <bob2> hah
[02:41] <bob2> at least you remembered to Replace it ;p
[02:42] <Amaranth> Replaces, Provides, Conflicts
[02:42] <Amaranth> so it would cleanly replace smeg in breezy and not remove ubuntu-desktop
[02:53] <bob2> haha
[02:53] <bob2> there's a SMEG entry in wikipedia
[02:54] <Amaranth> cool, but incorrect
[02:54] <Amaranth> i'm in there too
[02:54] <Amaranth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_Watkins
[03:02] <Amaranth> hey mpt
[03:05] <mpt> hi Amaranth 
[03:06] <Amaranth> don't suppose you've ever played with alacarte :)
[03:17] <mpt> alacarte
[03:17] <mpt> the name is familiar
[03:17] <mpt> It's the new name for something, isn't it
[03:17] <mpt> ah, the menu editor
[03:18] <mpt> no, not yet
[03:21] <Amaranth> i thought maybe you could give it a spin so i could claim to have some UI testing for 0.9 ;)
[03:22] <mpt> okie
[03:22] <mpt> but not tonight
[03:22] <the--dud> Amaranth, url?
[03:22] <Amaranth> i'm hoping i can release 0.9 in two weeks, sit on it for 3-4 weeks collecting bug reports and translations, then have 1.0 for dapper :)
[03:22] <Amaranth> mpt: that's fine, no hurry
[03:22] <Amaranth> the--dud: http://dev.realistanew.com/alacarte/releases/0.8/
[03:24] <mpt> I've got to get lots of sleep in preparation for being triple-booked in the first BoF session tomorrow
[03:25] <Amaranth> what is the first session?
[03:25] <mpt> it's, like, everything
[03:25] <Amaranth> oh, it's a bunch running at once?
[03:26] <mpt> well, there's the keynote and then there's the process walkthrough
[03:26] <mpt> and then there's the carnage
[03:26] <mpt> I'll be at UbuntuExpress by executive order
[03:26] <Amaranth> boo
[03:27] <mpt> boo?
[03:27] <Amaranth> gtk frontend to d-i is a much better plan
[03:27] <mpt> how so?
[03:27] <Lathiat> Amaranth: no its for a different target
[03:27] <the--dud> I get an import error, but I'm still running hoary btw
[03:27] <Lathiat> Amaranth: its to install off the live cd, explicitly
[03:27] <Lathiat> not to make a better installer frontend
[03:27] <mpt> My girlfriend is bitching at me about Ubuntu's non-graphical install
[03:27] <the--dud> nice python coding also
[03:28] <mpt> (figuratively speaking)
[03:28] <Amaranth> the--dud: the code is horrid
[03:28] <the--dud> mpt, kick her in the head hehe
[03:28] <the--dud> Amaranth, :p
[03:28] <Amaranth> the--dud: I blame GTK+.
[03:28] <farruinn> mpt: so that's why ubuntu is making the change? ;)
[03:28] <the--dud> anyway, its missing a module
[03:28] <Amaranth> the--dud: It's the "in" thing to do.
[03:28] <mpt> She says the Ubuntu partitioning is worse than the entire Gentoo installation process
[03:28] <mpt> (she was on Gentoo previously)
[03:28] <Amaranth> the--dud: No it's not, you are. :) hoary isn't supported
[03:28] <Lathiat> the suse installer is quite nice
[03:28] <Lathiat> overall
[03:28] <farruinn> partitioning is really the only difficult part, a graphical installer should help tremendously I think
[03:29] <Lathiat> also the suse boot process is pretty
[03:29] <Amaranth> bleh
[03:29] <Amaranth> i like ours better than a hack to run an X server right away like that
[03:29] <mpt> Anyone got a Suse install disc lying around?
[03:29] <the--dud> Amaranth, checked out http://primates.ximian.com/~sandino/python-glade/ btw? I found it quite excellent to work with
[03:29] <Lathiat> the x server isnt run right away
[03:29] <Lathiat> its vesafb i think
[03:29] <farruinn> Lathiat: never used suse, but I was very impressed with usplash the first time I booted breezy!
[03:29] <Lathiat> fedora uses the xserver mid-0boot
[03:29] <Amaranth> and the boot server takes over acpi stuff so the regular running server doesn't get access to it
[03:29] <the--dud> much cleaner code, without all the retardedness of the pygtk
[03:30] <Amaranth> the--dud: It's not clean _at all_.
[03:30] <Amaranth> the--dud: It pollutes my namespace with all the junk from the glade file.
[03:30] <mpt> farruinn, yeah, and I have personal motivation to be involved in the design
[03:30] <the--dud> well, I've only just look briefly at it... you might be right
[03:31] <Lathiat> Amaranth: glade file isnt supposed to have junk? :)
[03:31] <Amaranth> Lathiat: I don't name widgets I don't interact with.
[03:31] <Amaranth> Lathiat: They get default names.
[03:31] <Amaranth> boxes and bonobo containers and such
[03:54] <bur[n] er> is there a Dapper wishlist for users to post something to?  I just want to vent an idea about using tightvnc with vino and maybe even adding support for the tightvnc file transfer
[03:54] <zakame> hi all
[04:07] <wasabi> In bash. Trying to figure out if a string contains another substring.
[04:08] <Keybuk> in bash [[ string = "*substring*" ] ] 
[04:09] <wasabi> ahh
[04:09] <Keybuk> iirc
[04:10] <Keybuk> it might need == and or =~ or something
[04:10] <Keybuk> anyway, bed
[04:23] <jdub> wow, 905 votes on dragon vs. duck, and they're at NECK AND NECK
[04:23] <jdub> s/at //
[04:23] <Kamion> wasabi: case $string in *substring*) stuff; more stuff ;; esac
[04:23] <Kamion> (portable sh)
[04:23] <Kamion> Amaranth: hoary is supported
[04:24] <Amaranth> Kamion: Not by alacarte.
[04:24] <Kamion> oh, I see
[04:24] <Kamion> missed the context, sorry
[04:27] <robitaille> jdub,   neck to neck?  45 votes between the 2.  It's close, but not that close :)
[04:27] <jdub> robitaille: percentage wise though ;)
[04:28] <Amaranth> the duck will get us laughed at, the dragon will get use KDE references
[04:28] <wasabi> Okay. dpkg-divert question now. My package, during it's postinst, is auto generating new /etc/pam.d/common-* files. So, I want to move the old out of the wya.
[04:29] <Amaranth> "they have a dragon for a logo but don't use KDE? wtf"
[04:29] <wasabi> Proper way to do this... I'm using --divert --rename from orig to orig.dpkg-$pkgname
[04:29] <Kamion> you can't divert conffiles, it doesn't work
[04:29] <wasabi> Is that appropiate?
[04:29] <wasabi> Oh?
[04:29] <wasabi> Hmm.
[04:29] <Kamion> oh, and in fact they're configuration files not conffiles
[04:29] <Kamion> diversions work even less well on those
[04:29] <wasabi> Heh.
[04:30] <wasabi> Okay, so I should manually back them up.
[04:30] <Kamion> changing /etc/pam.d/common-* from a package other than libpam-runtime is really pretty wrong
[04:30] <Kamion> unless it's a local-use package only
[04:30] <wasabi> Define local-use?
[04:31] <Kamion> never intended to be uploaded to a distribution
[04:31] <wasabi> Ahh.
[04:31] <wasabi> Darn. =(
[04:31] <wasabi> So what's the appropiate way to do this. I am trying to create a configuration program for krb5 and ldap.
[04:31] <Kamion> oh, if it's a *program* doing it, not package maintainer scripts, that's ok
[04:31] <jdub> night all
[04:31] <Kamion> that counts as sysadmin action
[04:32] <wasabi> Ahh, I should move this to a program then.
[04:32] <wasabi> Makes sense.
[04:32] <Kamion> package maintainer scripts generally aren't allowed to do that sort of thing because it's way too easy for packages to get installed for one reason or another
[04:32] <wasabi> Yeah.
[04:32] <wasabi> Last question for a bit. I have a file that has @FOO@ in it. I want to replace @FOO@ in that file with the contents of another file.
[04:32] <wasabi> Including line feeds.
[04:33] <Kamion> then you can just back them up to a name of your choice (not .dpkg-*)
[04:33] <wasabi> One thing I'm concerned about is that I don't want the libpam-runtime postinst to attempt to replace the user's files on the next install.
[04:33] <wasabi> Especially to ask for the diff.
[04:33] <wasabi> Because it won't make sense to the target user group at all.
[04:34] <Kamion> perl -pi -e 'BEGIN { open OTHERFILE, "otherfile" or die "open otherfile"; undef $/; $otherfile = <OTHERFILE>; chomp $otherfile; close OTHERFILE } s/@FOO@/$otherfile/g' file
[04:34] <Kamion> or something like that
[04:35] <wasabi> Fun.
[04:35] <Kamion> if you look at libpam-runtime.postinst, it actually only copies in the templates on a fresh install
[04:35] <Kamion> it doesn't do any diffing
[04:36] <wasabi> Ahh. Didn't know that. My mistake.
[04:36] <Kamion> well, no, it also updates the files if they're unmodified
[04:36] <wasabi> Ahh but it detects modification.
[04:36] <Kamion> but, either way, it should suit your purposes
[04:53] <robitaille> jdub,  ping
[05:46] <bob2> who is "charles-ubuntu"?
[05:47] <bob2> and shouldn't people in the "Ubuntu Core Development Team" have some link to their real identity on launchpad?
[06:03] <Lathiat> daniels: woo dude, that mesa update fixed nvidia gl on my laptop
[06:03] <Lathiat> daniels: thankkyouuuuuuuuuuu
[06:03] <Lathiat> :)
[06:09] <mdke> it's about 24 hours that I've been seing this: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-security/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[06:10] <mdke> no one else sees it?
[06:10] <bob2> why is bzip2 trying to unpack a .gz?
[06:11] <Lathiat> daniels: hrm, it also fixed a missing function
[06:11] <Lathiat> daniels: nice
[06:11] <mdke> bob2, I don't know
[06:13] <infinity> bob2 : It's not, apt just sucks at error messages.
[06:14] <mdke> i did a dpkg-reconfigure on apt, still the same message
[06:14] <infinity> IIRC, that Packages.gz string is hardcoded and reused for all "compressed Packages files"
[06:14] <mdke> any idea what is the problem?
[06:15] <infinity> mdke : rm /var/lib/apt/lists/sec* && apt-get update
[06:15] <infinity> Do you still get the message?
[06:15] <mdke> infinity, yes
[06:15] <Mez|Away> lo infinity :D
[06:16] <Mez|Away> infinity, do you have access to create breezy-backports so it doesnt 404
[06:17] <infinity> Nope.
[06:17] <mdke> infinity, is it a problem with the archive online?
[06:17] <mdke> Mez|Away, that really needs to get sorted, it's the hugest bug ever
[06:19] <infinity> mdke : I dunno dude, it Works For Me.
[06:19] <mdke> :(
[06:19] <infinity> Mez|Away : You get to bug elmo for that one, not me.
[06:20] <mdke> infinity, is there just one security archive?
[06:21] <infinity> Yes, only one host serves security.
[06:21] <mdke> hmm
[06:21] <mdke> odd
[06:21] <mdke> only universe gives me a problem
[06:23] <bob2> infinity: hah
[07:05] <jsgotangco> Riddell: awake?
[08:20] <zakame> heya all
[08:22] <zakame> wb zyga
[08:22] <zyga> zakame: hello :-)
[08:23] <zyga> how to efficiently talk to upstream?
[08:23] <zyga> any upstream in general
[08:23] <zakame> zyga: hang out at upstream's irc, if any? :)
[08:25] <zyga> zakame: yesterday I had a conversation on #freedesktop and it was less than optimistic
[08:26] <zakame> zyga: awww.. what' it about?
[08:26] <zyga> zakame: I asked about any preferences for the 'gettext domain' key for .desktop files
[08:26] <zyga> zakame: I was strongly suggested not to do it ;-)
[08:27] <zyga> after explaining my reasoning I was urged to fix dpkg ;-)
[08:29] <zakame> hmmm... how would dpkg be fixed? any breakage to be expected?
[08:30] <zyga> zakame: it cannot handle subpackages, like if we wanted to have about 50 sub-packages with translations for each normal package
[08:32] <zakame> hmmm, that's a lot of subpackages
[08:33] <zyga> yeah
[08:34] <zyga> anyway I was told to go and learn about packaging (which could be a good idea *anyway*, but the feeling was less than plesuralbe)
[08:38] <zakame> well, implementing subpackages for dpkg would entail a new package format iirc, though I'm not intimate with dpkg/deb's internals
[08:40] <zyga> zakame: it definitly would and I don't think that's a good idea
[08:46] <zakame> hmmm...
[09:03] <zakame> hmmm, libmecache isn't packaged yet, even in debian... only libmemcached for perl is...
[09:13] <zakame> bye all, later
[10:06] <ukh> I'm not an Ubuntu user, but I really want to contribute a patch on the Malone page.  What is the correct way to do that?  Or is there any kind of mail interface like with the BTS?
[10:08] <blueyed_> ukh: I think you can attach it there, can't you?
[10:09] <ukh> no, I just have a web interface allowing me to *paste*
[10:10] <ukh> (I would take this over the BTS, but the debian maintainer isn't very cooperative, so it's really no use going via the BTS)
[10:10] <rafl> elmo: ping
[10:12] <ukh> blueyed_: and 156 lines of line-wrapped diff won't make anyone happy...
[10:14] <rafl> elmo: It's a bit unrelated, but I only knew I can find you here. You created my @debian.org account yesterday, but I still did not get the mail. Could you please resend it?
[10:17] <spayne> talking of debian.org emails, how do i get a @ubuntu.com email?
[10:17] <bob2> by becoming a member
[10:17] <zyga_desktop> spayne, become a member
[10:17] <bob2> or working for canonical
[10:17] <bob2> both ways lead to stupid amounts of spam
[10:17] <bob2> so I'd not recommend publicising it if you have one
[10:18] <spayne> zyga_desktop: i am a member!
[10:18] <spayne> bob2: i am a member!
[10:18] <bob2> maybe you already have it then
[10:18] <spayne> is it a redirect?
[10:19] <spayne> bob2: my launchpad page doesn't say i'm a member yet - does that make any difference?
[10:19] <bob2> I'd assume so
[10:19] <bob2> yes, it's a forward
[10:20] <spayne> well, i'll just have to wait until a CC member adds me
[10:24] <ukh> OK, let's turn it around.  Is there a way to mail a specific Malone member?  I refuse line-wrapped autoformatted patches.
[10:24] <bob2> they may have blah@ubuntu.com
[10:25] <ukh> in this case, the bug is assigned to "MOTU".
[10:25] <bob2> perhaps going to #ubuntu-motu would be simpler
[10:26] <bob2> if malone still fucks up patches, tho, that is quite shit
[10:26] <ukh> still. I'm not an ubuntu user, just a frustrated debian user.  what *is* MOTU?
[10:26] <spayne> Master of the Universe
[10:26] <bob2> masters of the universe
[10:27] <spayne> a Ubuntu Develop who has full upload rights to the archives
[10:27] <bob2> the people who maintain all the packages in the universe section of the ubuntu archive
[10:27] <bob2> spayne: no
[10:27] <bob2> being able to upload to universe has a much lower bar than uploading to main
[10:27] <spayne> bob2, can a MOTU upload to main?
[10:27] <bob2> no
[10:28] <bob2> some people in MOTU can upload to main, but in general, no
[10:28] <ukh> oh well.  I'll mail it to the Ubuntu people on to of the debian/changelog and leave it at that.  :-/
[10:28] <bob2> which is good, or else all of essential: yes would build-dep on cdbs and dpatch ;p
[01:20] <pef> hello
[01:35] <Akatemik> Where could I find the documentation of the home page for project casper?
[01:35] <Akatemik> Unfortunately it is such a common name, that google doesn't give useful results.
[01:38] <the--dud> www.google.com/linux
[01:38] <the--dud> try that :)
[01:44] <Akatemik> the--dud: Nope. Neither does "casber ubuntu" find anything relevant, it is only meantioned in the bootloaders
[01:44] <Akatemik> s/casber/casper
[01:55] <mpt> ukh, there's an "Add Attachment" link hidden in the box at the top right
[01:57] <ukh> mpt: ha!  that was very well hidden!  thanks!
[01:58] <ivoks> khm..
[01:59] <ivoks> problems with ubuntu lists
[02:12] <Kamion> Akatemik: I don't believe it has a home page
[02:13] <Kamion> it's all in the source package
[02:27] <zakame> hmm, if a source tarball is a .bz2, do I have to repackage it as .gz, or keep it as it is?
[02:57] <Mez> elmo: ping
[02:57] <Mez> (i cant be bothered to walk to the other side of the room)
[02:59] <Mez> elmo: I dont know whats up, but I dont seem to be able to upload anymore
[03:03] <Znarl> mez : Can I help?  What error message are you getting?
[03:04] <Mez> Znarl: I'm just not getting anything back from katie, nothings ngesgoing to dapper-cha
[03:04] <Mez> seems as if it's being silently discarded
[03:06] <Znarl> Mez : ok, I can't help.  Have to wait for elmo to appear.  Sorry.
[03:08] <Kamion> Mez: what package?
[03:09] <Mez> Kamion, vrm
[03:09] <Mez> s/vrm/vrms/
[03:09] <Kamion> Mez: Rejected: Unknown distribution `unstable'.
[03:09] <Mez> ah... lol
[03:09] <Mez> shouldnt katie email me about that?
[03:10] <Kamion> should've done, yeah
[03:10] <Mez> nothing back from katie :D
[03:10] <Mez> something to do with the @ubuntu.com emails? 
[03:10] <Kamion> can't help you there
[03:14] <Mez> lets see if it works now
[03:20] <seb128> infinity, lamont: could you give a retry to evolution / rhythmbox builds ?
[03:22] <spayne> how is it going at Montreal?
[03:24] <zakame> wb \sh 
[03:32] <lamont> seb128: done
[03:32] <seb128> lamont: thanks
[03:53] <mdz> zul: the schedule for today is long since finalized
[03:59] <zul> ok thanks anyways
[04:24] <carl> i found a non-critical bug in gparted - what should I do?
[04:24] <carl> like where do I post
[04:25] <Burgundavia> carl, bugzilla
[04:25] <Kamion> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[04:26] <jbailey> Wow, gparted is in main?
[04:26] <Kamion> yes
[04:26] <ogra> jbailey, yup, for express and the liveCd
[04:26] <Kamion> for ubuntu-express
[04:26] <mdz> zul: there will be further sessions, though; I'll see what can be done within scheduling constraints
[04:27] <mdz> zul: but we can't push all kernel-related things to the end of the summit; we wouldn't get through what we need to discuss
[04:33] <carl> does gparted have some sort of -v or log option so I can cut/paste instead of describing the GUI?
[04:34] <dholbach> carl: no, not really
[05:00] <wasabi_> So like, I really want to use Debconf, from a stand alone app.
[05:00] <wasabi_> Is that wise?
[05:01] <vbgunz> wasabi_: not a support channel... I think we just stay in here waiting for a dev to leak something... not sure :P
[05:02] <wasabi_> Not really a support question. ;)
[05:06] <vbgunz> wasabi_: hehe... :P
[05:19] <Akatemik> Is there yet debootstrap fro dapper?
[05:37] <carl> is there a way to see the last 10 bugzilla posts?
[05:38] <carl> nm - found it
[05:38] <carl> search between -1d and now
[05:43] <giskard> hello
[05:45] <giskard> i'm wodering if mako is still working for ubuntu
[05:45] <Treenaks> no
[05:45] <jsgotangco> no
[05:45] <giskard> uhm
[05:45] <jsgotangco> he's at MIT media labs now
[05:45] <giskard> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[05:45] <giskard> Upon approval by the council, you will need to "sign" a copy of the Code of Conduct. This can be done in two ways:
[05:45] <giskard>    1. A cryptographic (GPG) signature on the text of the code itself sent to Benjamin Mako Hill
[05:45] <jsgotangco> ahhh right
[05:46] <jsgotangco> Mako is still with the Council
[05:46] <giskard> ah ok :) 
[05:46] <giskard> thank you :)
[05:46] <jsgotangco> giskard: but now, you have to do that in launchpad
[05:49] <spayne> giskard: go to your launchpad page
[05:49] <spayne> giskard: and you will find it
[05:50] <daniels> bradb: hey hey hey
[05:50] <bradb> hey dudes
[05:50] <giskard> I do not want to become an ud, i have read the blog of a person who wanted to become  :)
[05:51] <giskard> thank you :) bye :)
[05:52] <carstenh> pitti: hi, i guess you hava already talked about the firewall spec at ubz. any news or something important for me?
[05:52] <pitti> carstenh: we haven't, we are just in the very first session
[05:53] <carstenh> ok, i will ask you again in some days :)
[05:56] <Kamion> Akatemik: there's been debootstrap for dapper since about an hour after I woke up the day after dapper opened
[05:59] <daniels> Kamion: which raises the question, why were you asleep?
[06:01] <jdub> mdz: ping
[06:28] <carl> what does the ubuntu installer use to shrink an NTFS partition?
[06:29] <carl> ntfsresize seems to shrink the fs, but not change the partition size
[06:30] <carl> and gparted is being "weird" which I posted to bugzilla, and would like something else to help figure out what is wrong with gparted
[06:50] <Kamion> daniels: oh, slacking, y'know
[06:50] <Kamion> carl: ntfsresize
[06:50] <Kamion> carl: and libparted to change the actual partition size
[06:52] <CarlFK> how can I find what depends on libparted? 
[06:53] <dredg> apt-cache rdepends
[06:59] <zyga> awwwwwwwwwwwww
[06:59] <zyga> latest evolution update killed my contacts
[06:59] <zyga> did anyone notice this rather unfortunate event?
[07:01] <mdke> i didn't notice an evolution update of any kind
[07:01] <dholbach> zyga: me too - yay :)
[07:02] <zyga> dholbach: :-)
[07:02] <mdke> ah well if you're on dapper...
[07:02] <zyga> yeah ;-)
[07:03] <mdke> you can't complain
[07:03] <mdke> :)
[07:07] <zyga> mdke: I sure can complain but no-one will listen
[07:07] <zyga> mdke: would you complain if some script by 'accident' did rm -rf /
[07:08] <mdke> zyga, not if I was on dapper, no
[07:08] <mdke> i'd file a bug
[07:08] <mdke> and mark it very important
[07:09] <zyga> heh ;)
[07:16] <dieman> wow
[07:17] <dieman> the launchpad user profile stuff works really well
[07:17] <dieman> even account merging!
[07:19] <dieman> shoot
[07:19] <dieman> my wikiname is messed up now i think
[07:20] <dieman> ahh
[07:20] <dieman> there we go
[07:20] <dieman> fixed it
[07:25] <daniels> fabbione: xdm should be generally fixed now
[08:00] <cas> Hi, A simple question but I couldn't find it. Is there a reason why ivman isn't included in the base install?
[08:07] <Akatemik> Kamion: Yeah, I noticed when I checked the main dapper repo. Mirror I was looking didn't include it.
[08:10] <cas> what "Source Package Name" in bugs I must select to report a wish item for dapper in launchpad/UBZ?
[08:48] <haggai> pitti: hi, how did you transition the postgresql repo from cvs to arch? Did you get any of the tools to work?
[09:14] <pef> slomo: hello, your correction for midnight-commander works fine for me ! (weird display in virtual console)
[09:14] <slomo> pef: ok, fine :) thanks for reporting
[09:15] <zyga> slomo: did mc finally get utf8 support?
[09:16] <slomo> zyga: yes... works for me and a few others but would be nice if you could test it too ;)
[09:17] <zyga> slomo: just point a finger :)
[09:18] <slomo> zyga: when you use dapper you already have it ;)
[09:18] <zyga> slomo: checking
[09:18] <slomo> zyga: then get it from here http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/mc/
[09:18] <slomo> zyga: 4.6.1-1ubuntu1
[09:20] <zyga> slomo: okay so....
[09:20] <zyga> one thing worked :)
[09:20] <zyga> other did not
[09:20] <slomo> ok, which did work and which not? ;)
[09:20] <zyga> locale menus worked 
[09:20] <zyga> I have a folder called nihongo (in japanese) and that did not work
[09:20] <zyga> it was displayed as small squares
[09:21] <zyga> in vt, in X everything worked fine
[09:21] <slomo> then your terminal font doesn't have the right characters
[09:21] <slomo> oh... hmm
[09:21] <slomo> yes probably that problem then ;)
[09:21] <zyga> slomo: strange though
[09:21] <slomo> why?
[09:21] <zyga> slomo: debian-installer manages to show a whole zoo of characters on startup
[09:23] <slomo> zyga: hmm... no idea... but when it works in X it shouldn't be mc's problem... i really think it's the terminal font... what happens when you write this characters by hand in a vt?
[09:23] <zyga> slomo: I don't really know how do to that :)
[09:23] <zyga> slomo: I created that folder in X with special input methods
[09:23] <slomo> zyga: hehe... i don't know either :)
[09:24] <zyga> how does one use kana on vt ... beats me :)
[09:24] <zyga> any japanese developer around?
[09:24] <dieman> heh
[09:24] <dieman> the NetworkWideUpdates spec is something i may be able to work on at work
[09:25] <shawarma> Does anyone know if the bounty program will continue in Dapper with new bounties?
[09:25] <zyga> dieman: luck you
[09:25] <zyga> s/\W\y\
[09:25] <zyga> (I hope I got that right)
[09:26] <dieman> yeah, something like that :)
[09:27] <zyga> whooooah!!!
[09:27] <zyga> anone with dapper
[09:27] <zyga> can you run gvim
[09:27] <dieman> i think mvo heard us sometime in the past on #ubuntu talking about it
[09:27] <zyga> zyga@falcon:~$ gvim
[09:27] <zyga> E25: GUI cannot be used: Not enabled at compile time
[09:28] <slomo> zyga: works for me ;)
[09:28] <zyga> slomo: really strange
[09:28] <slomo> zyga: do you have vim-gnome installed?
[09:28] <shawarma> zyga: you got vim-gtk? 
[09:28] <zyga> slomo: no but I have menu entry
[09:28] <zyga> I got neither
[09:28] <slomo> zyga: strange, i have none ;)
[09:29] <zyga> slomo: dpkg-query -S gvim shows that gvim.desktop is in vim not in vim-{gnome,gtk}
[09:29] <zyga> smells like a bug
[09:29] <dieman> makes me wish i setup some time for ubz and show up and stuff
[09:29] <dieman> oh well
[09:29] <slomo> zyga: yes... it is ;)
[09:31] <zyga> arghh
[09:31] <zyga> I broke launchpad again
[09:31] <slomo> zyga: maybe prepare a debdiff to fix this? :)
[09:32] <zyga> slomo: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/vim/+bug/3743
[09:32] <zyga> not today :)
[09:32] <zyga> vim is a hog to build on my laptop
[09:32] <dieman> hah
[09:33] <dieman> tickets to canada on short notice cost more money than god
[09:33] <dieman> like $1k+
[09:33] <dieman> $1600 non-stop ;)
[09:34] <zyga> aww damn yu
[09:42] <zyga> uhhh
[09:42] <zyga> vim's build hangs on a broken patch (it asks for a file to patch)
[09:42] <zyga> I think I'll leave this for the smart guys to solve 
[10:22] <cevizoglu> what is the best UI toolkit to use if I want to share a good deal of the UI code with Carbon UI API's on Mac OS X?
[10:22] <cevizoglu> GTK2?
[10:36] <Amaranth> nothing, basically
[10:36] <Amaranth> and that really isn't an #ubuntu-devel kind of question
[10:37] <cevizoglu> why?
[10:37] <Amaranth> this is a channel for people working on ubuntu to discuss things, not a channel for random developers using ubuntu
[10:37] <cevizoglu> I thought that was what ubuntu-motu is for
[10:38] <farruinn> I've found a broken dependency in dapper (python2.4-gnome2-extras), but I can't report it on bugzilla (says I must choose a component, but there is no component field on the form)
[10:38] <Amaranth> no, ubuntu-motu is for people working on universe
[10:38] <cevizoglu> so this channel is for someone working on any other part of ubuntu?
[10:39] <Amaranth> for people working on main, basically
[10:39] <cevizoglu> oh, I guess I got the wrong meaning for "ubuntu-development"
[10:40] <cevizoglu> I will go away then
[10:48] <spayne> night all
[10:55] <ompaul> mako, u awake?
[10:55] <mako> ompaul: yes
[11:36] <daniels> Kamion: ping