[12:03] IME you don't need to separate them [12:04] Hmm, might be since everything is still under powerpc [12:04] is there any buildd master to push a rhythmbox retry? [12:04] are you sure you caught all the reference? [12:04] references [12:04] grep install * turns up nothing in the i-ppc folder [12:05] Akatemik, are you serious about xdm ? xdm is buggy afaik... [12:05] ogra: Yes, there's no room for kdm [12:05] anyway, the bootloader configuration would definitely be what I'd double-check [12:05] hmm... probably switching to login app or wdm would help ... [12:06] Agreed, but can't find anything wrong with it [12:06] me neither, else i'd have fixed it before release :) [12:07] Kamion: http://pastebin.com/411506 [12:07] i was looking at it shortly before release ... dunno if fabbiones last upload fixed it ... he did an upload one or two days before release [12:08] ogra: Umm? [12:08] ogra: You mean breezy's yaboot.conf isn't supposed to work? [12:08] Akatemik: he's talking about xdm [12:08] Ah [12:08] Akatemik, i only talk about xdm [12:09] ogra: I was agreeing to Kamion [12:09] oh, ok... [12:09] Akatemik: is that line wrap between lines 32 and 33 really there? [12:09] \sh: there can only be one sh! [12:09] Kamion: No [12:10] <\sh> tseng: hmmm [12:10] Akatemik: presumably you adjusted the -hfs-bless argument to mkisofs [12:10] Kamion: Yes [12:10] \sh: soren hansen [12:10] <\sh> tseng: give me a short summary [12:10] <\sh> tseng: i don't get it now...just because i'm somewhat tired [12:10] \sh: he is on dapper-changes right before your last upload [12:11] Kamion: http://pastebin.com/411510 === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] That's the script I use to regenerate the iso image [12:11] \sh: if you didnt get it yet, any humor is gone [12:11] sorry [12:11] <\sh> tseng: sry.. === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-168-181.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] Kamion: I doubt it would even get a kernel panic without the bless, it wouldn't even get to yaboot. [12:12] Kamion - what do you call stable and testing? (if not stable and testing) [12:12] Akatemik: indeed [12:13] CarlFK: we don't [12:15] Kamion - that cant be ;) [12:15] what would you call breezy before and after it was released? [12:15] 5.10 [12:16] <\sh> after release 5.10 [12:16] lol [12:16] <\sh> before release easily breezy [12:16] CarlFK: Lemme guess, a debian user :? [12:17] nope. never did deb, but once I started using Ubuntu I did kidna get exposed to some debisims [12:18] Im trying to make my PXE boot menu have 2 sections: one for stable/current/real/useme and one for testing/beta/risky/danger [12:19] CarlFK: breezy before release, breezy or 5.10 after release [12:19] Akatemik: I'm out of ideas for now I'm afraid; it does look ok [12:19] smeg is obsolete now? [12:20] I'd have to look at the box myself to help much further [12:20] whois bob2 [12:20] grr - Im about to call my 2 sections before and after - noone wlll have a clue what they refer to [12:20] CarlFK: I think if you used "stable" and "unstable" most people would understand what you were referring to [12:20] myself included... [12:20] sivang: 1024D/1E73B7CD [12:20] "testing" would be confusing since we don't have any process similar to the one that generates Debian testing [12:21] Kamion - thats all I was looking for. a pair of terms that was "blessed" [12:21] they're not blessed as such, but due to our Debian heritage they'll more or less be understood [12:22] we don't use "stable" because we have multiple stable releases at any one time === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw7-fe12f900-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] jbailey: happy birthday! :) [12:24] Q-FUNK: Thanks! [12:25] jbailey: hey, from me, too [12:25] Thanks Michael =) [12:25] jbailey: you guys go to cafe campus or foufounes and have fun. I'll tag along in spirit :) [12:26] Mmmm spirits. === CarlFK writes "happy birthday to jbailey" on http://www.kelliscakes.com/img22.gif [12:26] jbailey: happy birthday from here as well :) [12:26] =) [12:27] someday I am going to make the virtual cake machine... === mdz [n=mdz@66.103.220.242] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:29] Kamion: Well, thanks anyway :/ [12:29] Kamion: Note that I didn't use all the args with mkisofs as given in the doc === fabbione [i=fabbione@66.103.220.209] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:30] There were multiple howtos for ppc, so it is kind of a union [12:30] <\sh> fabbione: slept well? [12:30] \sh: yeah [12:31] <\sh> fabbione: lucky man :) [12:31] is jbailey anywhere around [12:31] ? [12:31] fabbione - he is eating his birthday cake ;) [12:32] ah ok [12:32] is everybody still downstair? [12:33] jbailey is still sitting here [12:33] <\sh> not me...laying naked on the bed and trying to relax [12:33] ajmitch: here as in s1? [12:33] yes [12:33] ok thanks [12:33] catch you soon down there [12:34] you guys are already done for the day? [12:34] Akatemik: I'm unconvinced by the second one on LiveCDCustomizationHowTo; it uses a lot of dubious options [12:34] tseng: yes, love day was short [12:34] Kamion: Agreed [12:34] the first matches what we're using on the current CDs, with the exception of CHRP stuff (-chrp-boot -l) [12:35] Kamion: However it claims that the first one does not boot === jk_ [n=jochem@jkossen.nl] has joined #Ubuntu-devel [12:35] and some sorting weight stuff which isn't important for bootability] === Q-FUNK wishes he could have come along to UBZ - for the developer pals and to touch base with his old hometurf [12:35] Akatemik: with no information about the machine type on which it didn't boot [12:35] Kamion: Umm, the first one does not have the -chrp-boot... [12:35] if it was a CHRP, then indeed ... [12:35] Akatemik: indeed, but that doesn't matter on an iBook [12:36] Kamion: I couldn't even find that option in mkisofs === jk_ is now known as jk [12:37] Kamion: Hmm, I wonder if I should try to make a pure ppc-livecd first and see how to make that work. === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw7-fe12f900-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:38] $ mkisofs --help 2>&1 | grep chrp [12:38] -chrp-boot Add CHRP boot header [12:38] Oh great, --help is more current than manpages... [12:38] So unheard of coming from obsd side :/ [12:39] ah, yeah, seems not to be in the man page, that's a bug [12:39] it would certainly be worth trying a trivial remaster (i.e. no changes) of the powerpc live CD as a control [12:41] Kamion: So the first command in the howto is what you use on official lives for ppc? [12:43] it was at the time; I don't think the changes since then should be required for iBooks [12:43] Kamion: Do you have the makefiles/scripts somewhere on a cvs or is it just something that someone does on their own computer? === RemoteViewer [n=555@stan.physik.fu-berlin.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:43] all we've added since has been -chrp-boot -iso-level 2 === koke [n=koke@66.103.220.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === camilotelles [n=Camilo@20132194128.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:46] it's in arch, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/archives/colin.watson@canonical.com--2005/, colin.watson@canonical.com--2005/debian-cd--ubuntu--0 [12:46] but trust me, you really don't want to use debian-cd unless you have to; it's very complicated to operate === gman is now known as Gman === Keybuk sends baz2bng voodoo vibes towards Kamion [12:47] I have colin.watson@canonical.com--2005/cdimage--mainline--0 to wrap it, but even then it's hard to set up [12:47] Keybuk: in my CFT [12:47] Keybuk: oh and I need to get bzr installed on little first [12:47] CFT? [12:47] copious free time [12:48] maybe you should get mdz to do it, now he has all that free time from not approving specs [12:48] heh === Kamion gives back partman-base in the hope that it'll actually build this time [12:51] (since it recently built on sparc, so it was probably just waiting for libparted1.6-13) === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:55] does anyone know who's in charge of the server distro of ubuntu? [12:56] of/for/in [12:56] something hehe [12:56] its just a seperate install cd [12:56] different set of packages in the cd image [12:56] all the usual suspects are responsible [12:57] okies [12:58] Hmm, ubuntu as a server [01:00] branding them as different things really lead to a lot of confusion === sabdfl [n=mark@pdpc/supporter/silver/sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === JaneW [n=JaneW@66.103.220.199] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@66.103.220.242] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === zyga_ [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=foo@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mithrandir [n=tfheen@c5100BC63.inet.catch.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mxpxpod [n=bryan@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfeehan [n=sfeehan@pool-64-222-103-115.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [i=Mez@66.103.220.208] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lizard0 [n=lizardo@66.103.220.247] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dan_ [n=dan@pcp05840068pcs.pthurn01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:51] hello [01:51] hi dan [01:51] i need some help finding sound drivers for my motherboard. can you help? [01:51] perhaps, I could try [01:52] I dunno if -devel is the place to ask, but go ahead [01:52] its a elitegroup 741gx-m [01:52] the elitegroup website has the drivers on there but their for windows [01:53] #ubuntu is the place to ask [01:53] hmm, let me try to figure out which chipset it uses [01:53] also, you'll need to find out what chipset it has, if you don't know already [01:54] i dont [01:54] "AMD-based motherboard using SiS 741GX and SiS964L chipsets" [01:54] anyway, #ubuntu, not here === dan_ [n=dan@pcp05840068pcs.pthurn01.mi.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [02:07] tweeking my cron scrips and wondering: is there a daily dapper dir yet? (dont shoot me) === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === StoneTable [n=stone@c-24-14-85-48.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:22] can someone help me debug a problem I'm having with gksudo? [02:24] I'm getting a corrupted double linked list error when I use the --message option and specify a full path to an executable === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:38] congrats mjg59 [02:38] did he get elected or something? [02:38] yes [02:39] Amaranth: is the alacarte debian source available anywhere? [02:40] bob2: http://dev.realistanew.com/alacarte/releases/0.8/deb-src [02:40] bob2: but seb128 had some issues with the current packaging [02:40] it's basically a good package for breezy users but for dapper i need to change some things [02:40] yeah, I itp'd it for debian...might just go from scratch then [02:40] well, it's just the mv in rules and the symlinks that he didn't like [02:41] and that i made a new package instead of working off the smeg one [02:41] hah [02:41] at least you remembered to Replace it ;p [02:42] Replaces, Provides, Conflicts [02:42] so it would cleanly replace smeg in breezy and not remove ubuntu-desktop === pcmanlin [n=pcmanlin@ool-182f3cec.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pcmanlin [n=pcmanlin@ool-182f3cec.dyn.optonline.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === ikuyaLoqu [n=ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:53] haha [02:53] there's a SMEG entry in wikipedia === hunger [n=hunger@p54A60B78.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:54] cool, but incorrect [02:54] i'm in there too [02:54] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_Watkins === farruinn [n=nathan@cpe-69-201-14-55.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.202] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:02] hey mpt [03:05] hi Amaranth [03:06] don't suppose you've ever played with alacarte :) === xhaker [i=leet@luna.sublimesp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@66.103.220.220] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@66.103.220.220] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:17] alacarte [03:17] the name is familiar [03:17] It's the new name for something, isn't it [03:17] ah, the menu editor [03:18] no, not yet [03:21] i thought maybe you could give it a spin so i could claim to have some UI testing for 0.9 ;) [03:22] okie [03:22] but not tonight === mpt should be asleep [03:22] Amaranth, url? [03:22] i'm hoping i can release 0.9 in two weeks, sit on it for 3-4 weeks collecting bug reports and translations, then have 1.0 for dapper :) [03:22] mpt: that's fine, no hurry [03:22] the--dud: http://dev.realistanew.com/alacarte/releases/0.8/ [03:24] I've got to get lots of sleep in preparation for being triple-booked in the first BoF session tomorrow === Lathiat laughs [03:25] what is the first session? [03:25] it's, like, everything [03:25] oh, it's a bunch running at once? [03:26] well, there's the keynote and then there's the process walkthrough [03:26] and then there's the carnage [03:26] I'll be at UbuntuExpress by executive order [03:26] boo [03:27] boo? [03:27] gtk frontend to d-i is a much better plan [03:27] how so? [03:27] Amaranth: no its for a different target [03:27] I get an import error, but I'm still running hoary btw [03:27] Amaranth: its to install off the live cd, explicitly [03:27] not to make a better installer frontend [03:27] My girlfriend is bitching at me about Ubuntu's non-graphical install [03:27] nice python coding also [03:28] (figuratively speaking) [03:28] the--dud: the code is horrid [03:28] mpt, kick her in the head hehe [03:28] Amaranth, :p [03:28] the--dud: I blame GTK+. === mpt kicks the--dud in the head [03:28] mpt: so that's why ubuntu is making the change? ;) [03:28] anyway, its missing a module [03:28] the--dud: It's the "in" thing to do. [03:28] She says the Ubuntu partitioning is worse than the entire Gentoo installation process === Lathiat laughs [03:28] (she was on Gentoo previously) [03:28] the--dud: No it's not, you are. :) hoary isn't supported [03:28] the suse installer is quite nice [03:28] overall [03:28] partitioning is really the only difficult part, a graphical installer should help tremendously I think [03:29] also the suse boot process is pretty [03:29] bleh [03:29] i like ours better than a hack to run an X server right away like that [03:29] Anyone got a Suse install disc lying around? [03:29] Amaranth, checked out http://primates.ximian.com/~sandino/python-glade/ btw? I found it quite excellent to work with === Mez [n=Mez@66.103.220.220] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:29] the x server isnt run right away [03:29] its vesafb i think [03:29] Lathiat: never used suse, but I was very impressed with usplash the first time I booted breezy! [03:29] fedora uses the xserver mid-0boot [03:29] and the boot server takes over acpi stuff so the regular running server doesn't get access to it [03:29] much cleaner code, without all the retardedness of the pygtk [03:30] the--dud: It's not clean _at all_. [03:30] the--dud: It pollutes my namespace with all the junk from the glade file. [03:30] farruinn, yeah, and I have personal motivation to be involved in the design [03:30] well, I've only just look briefly at it... you might be right [03:31] Amaranth: glade file isnt supposed to have junk? :) [03:31] Lathiat: I don't name widgets I don't interact with. [03:31] Lathiat: They get default names. [03:31] boxes and bonobo containers and such === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-168-181.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bur[n] er [n=burner@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:54] is there a Dapper wishlist for users to post something to? I just want to vent an idea about using tightvnc with vino and maybe even adding support for the tightvnc file transfer [03:54] hi all === dfarning [n=dfarning@ppp-70-226-140-33.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@66.103.220.248] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:07] In bash. Trying to figure out if a string contains another substring. [04:08] in bash [[ string = "*substring*" ] ] [04:09] ahh === sfeehan [n=sfeehan@pool-64-222-103-115.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:09] iirc [04:10] it might need == and or =~ or something [04:10] anyway, bed [04:23] wow, 905 votes on dragon vs. duck, and they're at NECK AND NECK [04:23] s/at // [04:23] wasabi: case $string in *substring*) stuff; more stuff ;; esac [04:23] (portable sh) [04:23] Amaranth: hoary is supported === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:24] Kamion: Not by alacarte. [04:24] oh, I see [04:24] missed the context, sorry [04:27] jdub, neck to neck? 45 votes between the 2. It's close, but not that close :) === robitaille is behind the duck [04:27] robitaille: percentage wise though ;) [04:28] the duck will get us laughed at, the dragon will get use KDE references [04:28] Okay. dpkg-divert question now. My package, during it's postinst, is auto generating new /etc/pam.d/common-* files. So, I want to move the old out of the wya. [04:29] "they have a dragon for a logo but don't use KDE? wtf" [04:29] Proper way to do this... I'm using --divert --rename from orig to orig.dpkg-$pkgname [04:29] you can't divert conffiles, it doesn't work [04:29] Is that appropiate? [04:29] Oh? [04:29] Hmm. [04:29] oh, and in fact they're configuration files not conffiles [04:29] diversions work even less well on those [04:29] Heh. [04:30] Okay, so I should manually back them up. [04:30] changing /etc/pam.d/common-* from a package other than libpam-runtime is really pretty wrong [04:30] unless it's a local-use package only [04:30] Define local-use? [04:31] never intended to be uploaded to a distribution [04:31] Ahh. [04:31] Darn. =( [04:31] So what's the appropiate way to do this. I am trying to create a configuration program for krb5 and ldap. [04:31] oh, if it's a *program* doing it, not package maintainer scripts, that's ok [04:31] night all [04:31] that counts as sysadmin action [04:32] Ahh, I should move this to a program then. [04:32] Makes sense. [04:32] package maintainer scripts generally aren't allowed to do that sort of thing because it's way too easy for packages to get installed for one reason or another [04:32] Yeah. [04:32] Last question for a bit. I have a file that has @FOO@ in it. I want to replace @FOO@ in that file with the contents of another file. [04:32] Including line feeds. [04:33] then you can just back them up to a name of your choice (not .dpkg-*) [04:33] One thing I'm concerned about is that I don't want the libpam-runtime postinst to attempt to replace the user's files on the next install. [04:33] Especially to ask for the diff. [04:33] Because it won't make sense to the target user group at all. [04:34] perl -pi -e 'BEGIN { open OTHERFILE, "otherfile" or die "open otherfile"; undef $/; $otherfile = ; chomp $otherfile; close OTHERFILE } s/@FOO@/$otherfile/g' file [04:34] or something like that [04:35] Fun. [04:35] if you look at libpam-runtime.postinst, it actually only copies in the templates on a fresh install [04:35] it doesn't do any diffing [04:36] Ahh. Didn't know that. My mistake. [04:36] well, no, it also updates the files if they're unmodified [04:36] Ahh but it detects modification. [04:36] but, either way, it should suit your purposes === susus [n=sz@p5089D552.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:53] jdub, ping === Simira [n=rpGirl@66.103.220.195] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simira [n=rpGirl@66.103.220.195] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simira [n=rpGirl@66.103.220.195] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Xoff [n=mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-6.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _maydayjay_ [n=maydayja@ip101109.101.nas.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:46] who is "charles-ubuntu"? [05:47] and shouldn't people in the "Ubuntu Core Development Team" have some link to their real identity on launchpad? [06:03] daniels: woo dude, that mesa update fixed nvidia gl on my laptop [06:03] daniels: thankkyouuuuuuuuuuu [06:03] :) === Lathiat unsticks his u key === dobwan [n=dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-24-0-58-245.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:09] it's about 24 hours that I've been seing this: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-security/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2) [06:10] no one else sees it? [06:10] why is bzip2 trying to unpack a .gz? [06:11] daniels: hrm, it also fixed a missing function [06:11] daniels: nice [06:11] bob2, I don't know === blueyed_ [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:13] bob2 : It's not, apt just sucks at error messages. [06:14] i did a dpkg-reconfigure on apt, still the same message [06:14] IIRC, that Packages.gz string is hardcoded and reused for all "compressed Packages files" [06:14] any idea what is the problem? [06:15] mdke : rm /var/lib/apt/lists/sec* && apt-get update === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:15] Do you still get the message? [06:15] infinity, yes [06:15] lo infinity :D [06:16] infinity, do you have access to create breezy-backports so it doesnt 404 [06:17] Nope. [06:17] infinity, is it a problem with the archive online? [06:17] Mez|Away, that really needs to get sorted, it's the hugest bug ever [06:19] mdke : I dunno dude, it Works For Me. [06:19] :( [06:19] Mez|Away : You get to bug elmo for that one, not me. [06:20] infinity, is there just one security archive? [06:21] Yes, only one host serves security. [06:21] hmm [06:21] odd [06:21] only universe gives me a problem [06:23] infinity: hah === qLFm_fu [n=qLFm_fu@70.89.208.241] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A6056A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:05] Riddell: awake? === Gman is now known as GmanAFK === Aegir [n=richard@d58-104-16-29.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdoe [n=jdoe4@tor/session/x-b27dd2948aadf6d7] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:20] heya all === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:22] wb zyga [08:22] zakame: hello :-) [08:23] how to efficiently talk to upstream? [08:23] any upstream in general [08:23] zyga: hang out at upstream's irc, if any? :) [08:25] zakame: yesterday I had a conversation on #freedesktop and it was less than optimistic [08:26] zyga: awww.. what' it about? [08:26] zakame: I asked about any preferences for the 'gettext domain' key for .desktop files [08:26] zakame: I was strongly suggested not to do it ;-) [08:27] after explaining my reasoning I was urged to fix dpkg ;-) [08:29] hmmm... how would dpkg be fixed? any breakage to be expected? === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:30] zakame: it cannot handle subpackages, like if we wanted to have about 50 sub-packages with translations for each normal package [08:32] hmmm, that's a lot of subpackages [08:33] yeah [08:34] anyway I was told to go and learn about packaging (which could be a good idea *anyway*, but the feeling was less than plesuralbe) [08:38] well, implementing subpackages for dpkg would entail a new package format iirc, though I'm not intimate with dpkg/deb's internals [08:40] zakame: it definitly would and I don't think that's a good idea [08:46] hmmm... [09:03] hmmm, libmecache isn't packaged yet, even in debian... only libmemcached for perl is... === sedak [n=fred@home.nenya.info] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robtaylo1 is now known as robtaylor === lexhider [n=lexhider@ppp86-30.lns2.mel3.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:13] bye all, later === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === hunger [n=hunger@p54A6088F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GmanAFK is now known as Gman === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dereks [n=derek@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rafl [n=rafl@p54B48488.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ukh [n=ukh@130.226.34.10] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:06] I'm not an Ubuntu user, but I really want to contribute a patch on the Malone page. What is the correct way to do that? Or is there any kind of mail interface like with the BTS? === Xoff is now known as Xof [10:08] ukh: I think you can attach it there, can't you? [10:09] no, I just have a web interface allowing me to *paste* [10:10] (I would take this over the BTS, but the debian maintainer isn't very cooperative, so it's really no use going via the BTS) [10:10] elmo: ping [10:12] blueyed_: and 156 lines of line-wrapped diff won't make anyone happy... [10:14] elmo: It's a bit unrelated, but I only knew I can find you here. You created my @debian.org account yesterday, but I still did not get the mail. Could you please resend it? === zyga_ [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga_ is now known as zyga_desktop === ivoks [n=ivoks@lns01-0498.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:17] talking of debian.org emails, how do i get a @ubuntu.com email? [10:17] by becoming a member [10:17] spayne, become a member [10:17] or working for canonical [10:17] both ways lead to stupid amounts of spam [10:17] so I'd not recommend publicising it if you have one [10:18] zyga_desktop: i am a member! [10:18] bob2: i am a member! [10:18] maybe you already have it then [10:18] is it a redirect? [10:19] bob2: my launchpad page doesn't say i'm a member yet - does that make any difference? [10:19] I'd assume so [10:19] yes, it's a forward [10:20] well, i'll just have to wait until a CC member adds me === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-220-246.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === CaiN_SA [n=cain@66.103.220.201] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:24] OK, let's turn it around. Is there a way to mail a specific Malone member? I refuse line-wrapped autoformatted patches. [10:24] they may have blah@ubuntu.com [10:25] in this case, the bug is assigned to "MOTU". [10:25] perhaps going to #ubuntu-motu would be simpler [10:26] if malone still fucks up patches, tho, that is quite shit [10:26] still. I'm not an ubuntu user, just a frustrated debian user. what *is* MOTU? [10:26] Master of the Universe [10:26] masters of the universe [10:27] a Ubuntu Develop who has full upload rights to the archives [10:27] the people who maintain all the packages in the universe section of the ubuntu archive [10:27] spayne: no [10:27] being able to upload to universe has a much lower bar than uploading to main [10:27] bob2, can a MOTU upload to main? [10:27] no [10:28] some people in MOTU can upload to main, but in general, no [10:28] oh well. I'll mail it to the Ubuntu people on to of the debian/changelog and leave it at that. :-/ [10:28] which is good, or else all of essential: yes would build-dep on cdbs and dpatch ;p === maswan [i=maswan@kennedy.acc.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@c141136.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487F741.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dereks [n=derek@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GamanaAm [i=gnu@p549CDAF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === MasterC [n=chans@dslb-084-060-214-166.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === otavio [n=otavio@201.10.58.28] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carstenh [n=carstenh@mkfw.fh-trier.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === moyogo [n=moyogo@119pc104.ucu-vb.uu.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-6.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dereks [n=derek@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:20] hello === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-168-181.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:35] Where could I find the documentation of the home page for project casper? [01:35] Unfortunately it is such a common name, that google doesn't give useful results. [01:38] www.google.com/linux [01:38] try that :) === martink [n=martin@p54B3A0C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has left #ubuntu-devel ["ERC] === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@66.103.220.248] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:44] the--dud: Nope. Neither does "casber ubuntu" find anything relevant, it is only meantioned in the bootloaders [01:44] s/casber/casper === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-6.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:55] ukh, there's an "Add Attachment" link hidden in the box at the top right === ozamosi [n=nnnnnnno@h142n6c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:57] mpt: ha! that was very well hidden! thanks! [01:58] khm.. [01:59] problems with ubuntu lists === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:12] Akatemik: I don't believe it has a home page === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:13] it's all in the source package === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-79-217-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cain_ [n=cain@66.103.220.201] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dereks [n=derek@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:27] hmm, if a source tarball is a .bz2, do I have to repackage it as .gz, or keep it as it is? === ozamosi [n=ozamosi@h142n6c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chuck [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont [n=lamont@66.103.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chuck is now known as zul === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@66.103.220.188] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dereks [n=derek@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-79-217-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === dereks [n=derek@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-devel === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-168-181.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chmj [n=chmj@66.103.220.253] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@66.103.220.187] has joined #ubuntu-devel === buga [n=burjang@csomalin.csoma.elte.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bigcx2 [n=bigcx2@157.182.194.245] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [n=koke@66.103.220.183] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [n=james@66.103.220.182] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:57] elmo: ping [02:57] (i cant be bothered to walk to the other side of the room) === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:59] elmo: I dont know whats up, but I dont seem to be able to upload anymore === pitti [n=pitti@66.103.220.156] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:03] mez : Can I help? What error message are you getting? === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:04] Znarl: I'm just not getting anything back from katie, nothings ngesgoing to dapper-cha [03:04] seems as if it's being silently discarded === Diziet is now known as Diziet|ubz [03:06] Mez : ok, I can't help. Have to wait for elmo to appear. Sorry. === Mez [n=Mez@66.103.220.220] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:08] Mez: what package? [03:09] Kamion, vrm [03:09] s/vrm/vrms/ [03:09] Mez: Rejected: Unknown distribution `unstable'. [03:09] ah... lol === Mez is retarded [03:09]