[12:12] <cfaun> are new packages supposed to be submitted to REVU? If so, where (the ubuntu site links to the german site and the german site links to the ubuntu site)?
[12:13] <ajmitch> the 'how to register' & 'how to upload' sections are relevant on the wiki
[12:14] <cfaun> thanks
[12:56] <tseng> Nafallo_away: hey how is that new apt proxy working
[02:05] <dan_> hello
[02:28] <Kyral> Heyo
[03:05] <LaserJock> hi Kyral
[03:05] <Kyral> Yo
[03:05] <LaserJock> how's it going?
[03:06] <Kyral> Good, just got back from Ubuntu Love
[03:06] <LaserJock> how was it?
[03:06] <Kyral> Fuuuunnnn
[03:06] <Kyral> and the food was good too
[03:06] <LaserJock> well, that is the most important thing for college students ;-)
[03:08] <farruinn> I somehow missed the fact that there was free lunch :/
[03:08] <Kyral> lol
[03:08] <Kyral> Of course you missed the fact, it went over your SUNY head j/k ;P
[03:08] <Kyral> Hoi Mez!
[03:15] <LaserJock> looks like Mez can't make up his mind ;-)
[03:15] <Kyral> haha
[03:18] <Riddell> he's reinstalling his computer
[03:18] <Kyral> hehe
[03:21] <Kyral> hey hub
[03:21] <Amaranth> Riddell: kick him and tell him to wait before joining IRC :)
[03:21] <Riddell> he was showing me xchat too
[03:29] <Kyral> Stay put!
[03:30] <Mez> hey
[03:30] <Mez> i was going upstairs
[03:30] <Mez> leave me along
[03:30] <Mez> alone
[03:30] <Kyral> sorry it was a joke ;P
[03:31] <Mez> and I was playing with you
[03:31] <Mez> anyways
[03:31] <Mez> to McDonalds :D
[03:31] <Kyral> You know how hard sarcasm is to detect over IRC?
[03:31] <Kyral> And I have have a hard time detecting it IRL
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[03:32] <Kyral> No kiddin' ;P
[03:34] <Amaranth> I actually prefer </dontkillme>
[03:35] <Lathiat> i oftren use *hide* too
[03:35] <Lathiat> err, *hides*
[03:35] <Lathiat> or /me ducks
[03:35] <Lathiat> :P)
[03:35] <Kyral> or j/k ;P
[03:35] <Lathiat> argh the P key of death
[03:35] <Amaranth> wikipedia has an entry on SMEG
[03:36] <Amaranth> with incorrect info, of course
[03:36] <Amaranth> and no link to the wikipedia entry about me, damnit! :)
[03:55] <zakame> ehlo everyone.name
[03:58] <Kyral> yo
[04:06] <Kyral> hmm, does an email address have to be subscribed to a Mailing List to send to it...
[04:06] <Amaranth> not usually
[04:07] <zakame> depends on the ML
[04:07] <Kyral> Assume Ubuntu MLs ;P
[04:07] <Kyral> My college blocked lists.ubuntu.com from me receiving emails from them after a flood from Dapper-Changes ;P
[04:08] <Kyral> so I routed them to my GMail account. But I still want to reply through my college email because thats where my GPG key is registered to
[04:08] <zakame> why not use the Dapper-Changes RSS?
[04:09] <Kyral> because I never really got the hang of RSS and its easier for me to hit the key combo to Evolution ;P
[04:11] <zakame> ah
[04:11] <Kyral> either that or I figure out how to add my GMail addy to my GPG Key
[04:24] <schweeb> Kyral: if you have an NNTP client, you can subscribe to the list via gmane.org
[04:26] <Kyral> Wazzat?
[04:27] <Kyral> nm, I'll keep sending via my college mail
[04:27] <Kyral> and receiving via GMail
[04:27] <schweeb> check out gmane.org
[04:27] <schweeb> it's the bomb
[04:27] <schweeb> you can read any of a few hundred OSS mail lists through your newsreader
[04:27] <Kyral> I'll be okay ;P
[04:28] <schweeb> (which is  usually built into your email client)
[04:28] <schweeb> and you don't have to worry about filling up your personal inboxes
[04:28] <Kyral> schweeb it wasn't that it was being filled
[04:28] <Kyral> I think my college took the volume of email to be spam and blocked it
[04:29] <schweeb> by filling, I mean volume of mail :p
[04:31] <Kyral> I'd rather just add my GMail to my GPG Key
[04:31] <Kyral> but I don't know how to
[04:32] <LaserJock> wouldn't you need to have a new key?
[04:32] <Kyral> I don't think so...
[04:33] <Kyral> Just a new UID
[04:42] <Kyral> Like so...
[04:43] <Kyral> hey sh
[04:44] <\sh> evening
[04:44] <LaserJock> Kyral: so you were able to do it?
[04:45] <Kyral> yah, just tacked on a new UID to my GPG key and updated it on the keyserve
[04:45] <LaserJock> hmm, cool. I have been wondering if that was possible
[04:52] <Kyral> long day
[04:52] <\sh> ok.../me needs some sleep...
[04:52] <\sh> tomorrow 9 o'clock sharp :)
[04:53] <Kyral> same for me
[04:53] <Kyral> but class ;P
[04:53] <Kyral> Have fun \sh. I'll be keeping tabs on it via Launchpad ;P
[04:53] <\sh> Kyral: u too :)
[04:54] <Kyral> Was nice meeting you BTW
[04:54] <\sh> Kyral: it was a pleasure to meat all of you :)
[04:54] <Kyral> Can't wait until the next one :D
[04:54] <\sh> yeah..
[04:55] <Kyral> Assuming I can find my way outta the country ;P
[04:58] <_vlad> Hello everyone, I wanted to join you Ubuntu in development effort and Mez pointed me onto this channel.
[04:58] <Mez> _vlad, now might not be a good time
[04:58] <Mez> everyones gettign ready to go to bed
[04:59] <_vlad> ups, ook
[04:59] <_vlad> I'll try later.
[05:00] <Mez> (we're all in montreal - and about to sleep)
[05:01] <_vlad> so, enjoy UBZ
[05:23] <Riddell> _vlad: excellent
[05:23] <Riddell> _vlad: we are busy at the conference this week but best way to start is to learn how to package, find something that needs packaging and package it
[05:24] <Riddell> _vlad: also bug triaging is very welcome
[05:24] <Riddell> _vlad: as is writing documentation, translatios and artwork
[05:29] <sladen> sleep... tut tut
[05:30] <Riddell> _vlad: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[05:30] <Riddell> see UniverseCandidates for stuff to package, KubuntuPackagingGuide for how to package
[05:30] <_vlad> Riddell, I will surely look at it (I did it already but it won't hurt)
[05:31] <Riddell> _vlad: feel free to go through all the KDE bugs and fix/close/mark as duplicate
[05:31] <Riddell> then I'll buy you beer
[08:20] <zakame> hi all
[08:23] <zyga> morning
[08:25] <tritium> good night all
[08:26] <zakame> afternoon here :))
[08:39] <bjweeks> Hello.
[08:40] <zakame> hi bjweeks
[08:41] <bjweeks> I was interested in becomeing a motu. I've read some on the wiki and got my launchpad account set up.
[08:43] <zakame> bjweeks: what packages do you intend to work on?
[08:44] <bjweeks> I was interested in the gameing related packages eg. xqf or anything that is needed.
[08:47] <bjweeks> oops.
[08:47] <zakame> that's a good start
[08:49] <bjweeks> I have noticed that quite a few of the gameing debs are outdated or need to be packeged.
[08:51] <zakame> bjweeks: is this coming from UniverseCandidates?
[08:56] <bjweeks> I count 24 gameing related packeges in UniverseCandidates.
[08:57] <zakame> bjweeks: good! :D pick one or three, and work on those :) then once you have some packages, put those up for REVU :)
[08:57] <bjweeks> I've seen few out of date packages just looking around in Synapic.
[08:57] <bjweeks> Cool
[09:11] <zakame> bjweeks: wish you luck then! :D
[09:12] <zakame> bjweeks: just document your work on the wiki and on LP, and make sure those packages are really working :)
[09:37] <bjweeks> Anybody here?
[09:45] <bjweeks> Anybody?
[09:55] <_Tonio_> hi
[10:01] <shawarma> bjweeks: There is now.
[10:01] <shawarma> _Tonio_: Hi.
[10:03] <_Tonio_> hi
[10:08] <bjweeks> I'm back
[10:10] <bjweeks> shawarma do you have any info on packaging binary only apps?
[10:11] <bjweeks> Like a how-to or wiki?
[10:13] <shawarma> bjweeks: I think so. Gimme a sec.
[10:15] <shawarma> bjweeks: It's not pretty, but it works: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/
[10:15] <shawarma> What do you need it for?
[10:17] <bjweeks> I'm learning to package apps and the one I want to do in binary only.
[10:19] <bjweeks> All the how-to I've seen are for compileing source in to a deb
[10:19] <dfarning> Hey I just built my first ubuntu package--do I upload it to REVU
[10:19] <ivoks> yes
[10:20] <ivoks> source, not package
[10:20] <dfarning> so then the source will sit until some reviews it?
[10:21] <ivoks> yes
[10:21] <dfarning> ivoks: thanks
[10:27] <shawarma> bjweeks: Ok. I just wanted to make sure that you're aware that a package that was made according to that howto never could enter Ubuntu.
[10:28] <bjweeks> Well thats what i was planing.
[10:29] <bjweeks> So how would you make a package with just binarys and data?
[10:29] <bjweeks> They would be diffrent packages I would think
[10:30] <shawarma> Can you please tell me what you're trying to package?
[10:30] <bjweeks> The game cube.
[10:31] <bjweeks> It is open source but to play online you have to use the binary release.
[10:31] <shawarma> bjweeks: I see.. And that's some closed source thing?
[10:31] <shawarma> bjweeks: I see.
[10:32] <shawarma> bjweeks: Well, if it's something you want to enter Ubuntu it needs to be able to build from source.
[10:32] <bjweeks> The dev uses a differnt netcode to provent hacking.
[10:32] <bjweeks> It is on the UniverseCandidates list.
[10:33] <dfarning> ivoks: Just want to verify-- I should used the pristen upstream source  with a dpatched dropped in debian/patched
[10:33] <sistpoty2_uni> hi folks
[10:33] <sistpoty2_uni> ping siretart
[10:35] <bjweeks> I guess I'll find a differnt app to package. :)
[10:36] <shawarma> bjweeks: Maybe I misunderstood your original question.
[10:36] <shawarma> bjweeks: What do you mean by a "binary only app"?
[10:37] <bjweeks> To you play the game online you have to use the binary provided by the dev
[10:38] <shawarma> bjweeks: Isn't it just the network part of it that's binary?
[10:39] <bjweeks> No the game binary in compiled with the different netcode
[10:39] <bjweeks> But the game data is the same
[10:40] <shawarma> bjweeks: I see.. Well, you can just package it just like a regular package. Just fix the install script or makefile or whatever to install in the tmp directory.
[10:41] <shawarma> bjweeks: There's just no howto for it that I know of.
[10:41] <bjweeks> It has no make file just extract and go.
[10:41] <shawarma> bjweeks: Then you just make sure it extracts to the right place.
[10:42] <bjweeks> That sounds easy, now I have to do it. :)
[10:43] <shawarma> It's not that hard actually.
[10:46] <bjweeks> One last question, should you just but the directory in /usr/local/games/"mygame" or split the binary and the data files?
[11:00] <bjweeks> Do I need to serpate the binary and data in differnt debs?
[11:02] <shawarma> bjweeks: Not necessarily.
[11:02] <shawarma> bjweeks: Oh, and never put anything in /usr/local
[11:02] <shawarma> bjweeks: If the installer does that, fix it.
[11:03] <bjweeks> No, That where I thought it would go.
[11:05] <bjweeks> Where would be a good place for the game data?
[11:07] <bjweeks> s
[11:17] <bjweeks> I'm going to bed shawarma thanks for all you help.
[12:13] <\sh> moins
[12:17] <siretart> hi
[12:34] <tiefox> will the banshee package be updated with the today's release ?
[12:34] <tseng> yes, certainly
[12:35] <tseng> but not in any kind of rush, im just now testing it myself
[12:39] <tiefox> thx :) look's like the ipod support has been greatyl improved..so now i will be able to use my shuffle with it in this new version
[01:20] <pef> hello
[02:07] <zakame> heya
[02:32] <siretart> hi lamont :)
[02:33] <siretart> lamont: we are in #ubz
[02:47] <zakame> wb dholbach
[02:47] <dholbach> morning zakame
[02:52] <zakame> hmm, just making sure, but if a source tarball is a .bz2, do I have to repackage it to become a .gz?
[03:01] <_Tonio_> zakame: yes you have to.
[03:10] <zakame> _Tonio_: okies, thanks again :)
[03:13] <_Tonio_> no pb :)
[03:17] <Gloubiboulga> hello
[03:20] <zakame> hi Gloubiboulga
[03:21] <zakame> is there some reference or tutorial on building shared library packages?  I'm looking at http://arch.debian.org/arch/private/srivasta/#libs
[03:25] <Gloubiboulga> is the ubuntu policy for packages the same than the debian one ?
[03:26] <Gloubiboulga> (I am a beginner in packaging)
[03:26] <zakame> Gloubiboulga: for the most part, yes
[03:27] <zakame> Gloubiboulga: see DeveloperResources on the wiki
[03:27] <Gloubiboulga> ok thanks
[03:32] <jpatrick> siretart: ping
[03:33] <siretart> jpatrick: not the best time right now, what is it?
[03:34] <jpatrick> I was wondering if you could give me an account of revu
[03:34] <siretart> jpatrick: your keyid?
[03:34] <jpatrick> F4944AEE
[03:35] <jpatrick> It's on keyserver.ubuntu.com
[03:35] <siretart> jpatrick: done
[03:35] <jpatrick> thanks
[04:53] <egoleo> i am new here
[04:54] <egoleo> and i want to be part of the great ubuntu family
[05:22] <\sh> 1/qu9it
[05:32] <whiprush> hi mark_ramm
[05:44] <chillywilly> anyone know how you can make apt-get always prompt for installation of a package?
[05:44] <chillywilly> apt-get install foo...are you sure? [y/n] 
[05:44] <Treenaks> man apt-get ;)
[05:52] <egoleo> so any tutorial on how to package
[05:53] <schweeb> the debian new maintainer guide
[05:53] <schweeb> or there's stuff on the wiki
[05:53] <egoleo> so can i get the link
[05:54] <Mez> siretart: request for revu-build on k3b
[05:54] <schweeb> couple mins, busy w/ work
[06:00] <farruinn> egoleo: www.debian.org/doc has a number of resources
[06:01] <egoleo> thnx farr
[06:04] <farruinn> I'm attempting to get pbuilder to create a dapper chroot on my breezy install.  There is no dapper script in /usr/lib/deboostrap/scripts, so I'm just 'cp breezy dapper' there. Any changes I should make to that script?
[06:06] <Mez> farruinn, dont bother
[06:06] <Mez> build a breezy chroot
[06:06] <Mez> then do a mnaul upgrade
[06:06] <Mez> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PBuilderHowto
[06:07] <farruinn> ok, thanks
[06:08] <Mez> though I'll actually have a look at that
[06:08] <farruinn> the wiki or the deboostrap package?
[06:08] <farruinn> if this is the recommended procedure the wiki page should be changed I think
[06:11] <chillywilly> Treenaks: I looked at the man page and there's no option to set to always ask for confirmation before installing packages...I also tried setting APT::Get::Assume-Yes "false"; in apt.conf, but screw it...it was for a friend anyway ;P
[06:16] <siretart> Mez: I show you how you can do that
[06:16] <Mez> siretart: I dont have access do i?
[06:16] <siretart> Mez: you should have, you are in the pbuilder group
[06:19] <siretart> Mez: try to relogin, I added you to some extra groups
[06:19] <Mez> which groups?
[06:19] <Mez> nologin
[06:19] <Mez> :P
[06:19] <siretart> hrhr
[06:19] <siretart> revu and www-data
[06:20] <Mez> yeah i saw
[06:20] <Mez> so now I can work on revu ?
[06:20] <siretart> sure
[06:20] <siretart> wait, I'll join you just a sek
[06:21] <Mez> and I was gonna go for a cig
[06:22] <Mez> ah, BP promotion is over here anyways
[06:23] <Mez> \sh: cigarette?
[06:27] <siretart> Mez: yepp
[06:33] <Gloubiboulga> Is a "binary-without-manpage" lintian warning a big deal ?
[06:36] <GazerWork> Gloubiboulga, the Debian New Maintainers' Guide  says : Your program(s) should have a manual page. If they don't, each of these files is a template that you can fill out.
[06:38] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[06:39] <Gloubiboulga> but it's not my program :)
[06:41] <GazerWork> Gloubiboulga, but it is your package :), you can write the manpage using the templates provided by dh_make
[06:41] <schweeb> Gloubiboulga: kinda depends if you're packaging it yourself, or just fixing an existing package
[06:42] <schweeb> if you're packaging something new, you definitely should make a manpage... if you're fixing an existing package, you should probably add one, and send the changes upstream
[06:42] <Gloubiboulga> I'm packaging myself
[06:43] <Gloubiboulga> I'm in touch with the author, I'll see with him what can be done
[06:43] <dredg> packaging = porting someone elses app to debian/ubuntu/whatever. for that purpose it's technically your program
[06:44] <Gloubiboulga> ok ok
[06:45] <siretart> Mirno: around?
[06:45] <Mirno> siretart: yupp I am
[06:46] <siretart> Mirno: I've seen you had included xdtv into plf
[06:46] <Mirno> siretart: (you're sure lucky guy I wan't 2 minits ago and i won't very soon again)
[06:46] <Mirno> siretart: In the testing rep only
[06:46] <siretart> Mirno: I'm a bit confused about this, because I thought we agreed that you don't use that "ubuntu" but "plf" in the version
[06:47] <Mirno> siretart: we did
[06:47] <siretart> http://antesis.freecontrib.org/mirrors/ubuntu/devnotpublic/pool/free/xdtv/
[06:47] <siretart> its called  xdtv_2.2.0-0.5ubuntu1
[06:47] <Mirno> siretart: But i didn't make the package I bet we forgot to acknowledge people ont he list.
[06:47] <siretart> Mirno: but you built it in your pbuilder, did you?
[06:47] <Mirno> siretart: ah I see : the wiki is up to date on the english part only. it's still ubuntu ont he fr one.
[06:48] <Mirno> siretart: no
[06:48] <Mirno> siretart: the maintainer build it
[06:48] <siretart> err
[06:48] <Mirno> siretart: peopel submit binaries with their sources
[06:48] <siretart> Mirno: the next thing: why don't you try to get that into ubuntu itself?
[06:50] <siretart> Mirno: I thought we agreed on cooperation.
[06:50] <Mirno> siretart: xdtv ? well It's the maintainers job. look the other packages he will submit them to motu or backports or whatever as I saw. If you give him confirmation on xdtv and deps then he will submitit to MOTU and'll remove it from plf
[06:50] <siretart> Mirno: well, I thought you are one of the heads of plf/ubuntu. Please don't expect me to run after each individual plf member
[06:51] <siretart> Mirno: why should he have concerns that that package would not be suitable for inclusion into ubuntu?
[06:51] <siretart> that actually whay I'm talking/asking
[06:51] <Mirno> siretart: I have no idea
[06:52] <siretart> Mirno: what should we do about that now?
[06:53] <Mirno> siretart: we have a list on the wiki of package that can go to plf. If you see any that should go to motu please make us know. People who join plf are packageing things that are marqued ont the wiki page.
[06:53] <siretart> Mirno: basically EVERYTHING that is freely distributable can be included into ubuntu. I told you that a couple of times
[06:54] <Mirno> siretart: ah really ? why not libdvdcss2 then ?
[06:54] <Lathiat> Mirno: because thats not freely distributable
[06:54] <Lathiat> its illegal in many countries
[06:54] <siretart> Mirno: because it is not legal to redistribute it in many many countries. we discussed that several times
[06:55] <Mirno> siretart: Lathiat: sorry I read the liscence it says GPL .. how the hell i'm supposed to know it's illegale somewhere ? it's not in my country... that's why some people make that list of package that can't go (or they think so) into MOTU
[06:56] <Lathiat> Mirno: it is GPL, so its free in that sense, but it is illegal to distribute/use it in lots of coutnries, particularly those hosting main mirror sites, etc etc
[06:56] <Mirno> lamont: did you just read what I said ?
[06:57] <Mirno> Lathiat: *
[06:57] <GazerWork> Mirno, It's a Patent related problem, not licence problem.
[06:58] <siretart> Mirno: I wrote and explained you extensivly in a very loing email on plf discuss
[06:58] <Mirno> Lathiat: that's why we distribute it in PLF 'cause it's illegale... in some countries. So the " EVERYTHING that is freely distributable" is not true as libdvdcss2 is freely distribuable as said by the authors, i'm no awyer How will I know it's not freely distribuable as the author tells it is freely distribuable
[06:58] <siretart> Mirno: what else do you expect from me?
[07:00] <Mirno> siretart: I didn't ask for anything, you offered it, and i'm happyly takeing and doing whatever I can to run that plf thing. i'm sorry if doesn't go as good as you wish or as fast as you wish, but we a really trying.
[07:04] <siretart> just a sek
[07:04] <Mirno> siretart: i'm writting a mail to the lsit about the plf extension.
[07:12] <siretart> Mirno:may I make a wish?
[07:12] <Mirno> siretart: You sure do
[07:12] <siretart> Mirno: please don't accept anything into plf that has not been rejected by motu team
[07:13] <siretart> you'll save work, and can provide better support for your packages
[07:13] <Mirno> siretart: oki, i'll 'd be happy, I just don't know where to to find such list of rejectged packages
[07:13] <siretart> Mirno: ask here or on ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[07:14] <siretart> Mirno: usually we are in this irc channel
[07:14] <Mirno> siretart: ok, 'll ask on channel
[07:22] <herzi> dholbach: ping
[07:25] <dholbach> herzi: pong
[07:28] <Mirno> siretart: sorry i don't have my laptop we me, could you remind me the pbuild how-to url ?
[07:32] <Mirno> found it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto.
[07:33] <Mirno> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto (without the . sorry)
[07:35] <Mirno> siretart: I mailed the list.
[07:35] <Mirno> sladen: hi !
[07:35] <Mirno> slomo: Hi !
[07:35] <Mirno> :)
[07:36] <slomo> hi Mirno :)
[07:53] <GazerWork> someone using Muine on breezy ?
[07:55] <LaserJock> GazerWork: I am
[07:56] <GazerWork> LaserJock, when I press play the Muine freeze
[07:56] <GazerWork> LaserJock, runing an strace I get: futex(0x88529b8, FUTEX_WAIT, 2, NULL)
[07:57] <GazerWork> LaserJock, and I must kill the app :S
[07:58] <GazerWork> LaserJock, grrr, I'm so stupid :), My gstreamer is configured to use esd , now is working ...
[08:03] <LaserJock> GazerWork: glad I could help ;-)
[08:03] <GazerWork> LaserJock, :)
[08:18] <Kyral> Okay, people have started requesting completely new packages (Things that haven't ever been in Debian nor Ubuntu) on the Backports Forum
[08:18] <Kyral> I smell Universe Canditate
[08:20] <Kyral> hey daniel how goes UBZ?
[08:31] <dholbach> hi Kyral
[08:31] <dholbach> Kyral: just started a bof session
[08:31] <Kyral> ah I'll shut up then ;P
[08:32] <mindwarp> Greetings.  My name is Steve and I am looking to help out the MOTU.  Anyone have any tasks etc I can help out with?
[08:37] <Amaranth> mindwarp: most people are either sleeping or at Ubuntu Below Zero so it might take awhile to get an answer
[08:37] <Kyral> or studying their asses off for exams
[08:38] <LaserJock> or working on presentations ;-)
[08:38] <mindwarp> I have some time, not a problem
[08:38] <LaserJock> mindwarp: do you have experience making Debian/Ubuntu packages?
[08:39] <mindwarp> LaserJock - I have read all the docs, but if you point me in the direction you need a package for I will give it a go
[08:39] <Kyral> I'd grab a sourceball from one of the repos and inspect it first
[08:39] <Kyral> like see what it looks like etc
[08:40] <LaserJock> mindwarp: well, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo
[08:40] <LaserJock> mindwarp: look especially at UniverseCandidates and bugfixing
[08:41] <LaserJock> mindwarp: even UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile if you are into the mundane ;-)
[08:41] <mindwarp> LaserJock - so if I go and fix a bug in a program, is all that is needed is a patch, or should I repackage it?
[08:42] <LaserJock> mindwarp: right now the best thing to do is make a debdiff and attach it to the bug report or let somebody know here at least
[08:42] <slomo> if someone wants something uploaded and can't find someone to upload ask me ;) i have nothing to do atm
[08:44] <LaserJock> Kyral: where is that?
[08:54] <Kyral> slomo, I may need to request a sync from Sid soon
[08:55] <slomo> Kyral: what package and why? normally everything is autosynced currently... or it needs manual merging/syncing when there are ubuntu specific changes
[08:56] <Kyral> Something in Universe Canditates
[08:56] <Kyral> its in Sid and it compiles/installs clean on my Dapper system
[08:56] <slomo> a NEW package? ok :)
[08:56] <Kyral> Yah
[08:56] <Kyral> crafty
[08:56] <crimsun> if it's in sid already, it shouldn't be a prob
[08:56] <Kyral> Yah
[08:56] <Kyral> Should I comment in Universe Candidates?
[08:57] <crimsun> that would be wise
[08:57] <crimsun> slomo: you're a member of MOTUMedia, correct?
[08:57] <slomo> crimsun: yes
[08:58] <crimsun> slomo: I've had a request to add vlc-plugin-alsa as a Dependency of vlc
[08:58] <Kyral> whoops
[08:58] <crimsun> slomo: what's your opinion?
[08:58] <slomo> Kyral: or better mail elmo to sync it... (hm, what was the policy for syncing be non-motu?)
[08:58] <Kyral> err wait it works
[08:58] <Kyral> I just got caught off guard by the output ;P
[08:58] <slomo> crimsun: i don't know vlc... is it needed for playback? or does it include a oss/esd/whatever plugin by default?
[08:59] <crimsun> slomo: oss is the single default one
[08:59] <crimsun> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/3678
[08:59] <slomo> ok, can this default be changed to alsa? would be more sane imho... otherwise make it a suggests
[09:00] <ajmitch> Kyral: what needs synced?
[09:00] <Kyral> crafty. Its on the Universe Canditates list and the Sid version compiles/installs fine on Dapper
[09:00] <crimsun> slomo: for the default to be changed, we'd have to make vlc-plugin-alsa a Depends
[09:00] <slomo> oh, hi ajmitch :) how was your flight and everything? :)
[09:01] <ajmitch> ok
[09:01] <Kyral> At least on my system ;P
[09:01] <slomo> crimsun: ok, then let's do this... will alsa used as a default then or does it need the user to do something?
[09:02] <LaserJock> Kyral: I think you can ask elmo for a sync but it is good to get MOTU ok's before. That is what I have done in the past anyway.
[09:02] <mindwarp> so if I make a .desktop file, where do I submit it?
[09:02] <ajmitch> crafty - non-free/games
[09:02] <crimsun> slomo: it'll be used as the default without intervention
[09:02] <ajmitch> with 1 RC bug in debian
[09:02] <Kyral> ajmitch, yah
[09:02] <slomo> crimsun: ok... will you do it or shall i?
[09:02] <Kyral> Oh it does hmm
[09:03] <LaserJock> mindwarp: try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFileExampleFiles first
[09:03] <Kyral> Thats why it didn't pick up on me
[09:03] <slomo> mindwarp: prepare a debdiff and upload it somewhere and tell me where it is to look at it ;)
[09:03] <crimsun> slomo: I'll do it with the next upload. There are more patches to apply to our source.
[09:03] <slomo> crimsun: ok :)
[09:03] <LaserJock> mindwarp: can you update the package to include the .desktop file?
[09:03] <Kyral> Its on AMD64 the bug is...
[09:05] <Kyral> what does RC mean again?
[09:05] <mindwarp> LaserJock - yeah can do
[09:05] <LaserJock> mindwarp: then make a debdiff like slomo said and then let him know where to find it
[09:07] <slomo> Kyral: release critical
[09:07] <Kyral> Ah
[09:07] <Kyral> I can't help fix the AMD64 bug....I don't have an AMD64 :P
[09:08] <LaserJock> well, as long as it is just for AMD64 we can ignore it right? ;p
[09:08] <Kyral> no..
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[09:12] <LaserJock> so does the automatic sync (MOM or whatever is going to be used) only sync packages that are currently in Ubuntu?
[09:12] <slomo> afaik yes
[09:13] <Kyral> if a package needs to be fixed from Sid (but not in Ubuntu yet) I append "-0ubuntu1" to it right?
[09:13] <LaserJock> Kyral: it's not in Debian?
[09:13] <Kyral> It is
[09:14] <slomo> Kyral: then simply append ubuntu1 to the old version number... i.e. -1ubuntu1
[09:14] <Kyral> but in order for it to compile in Ubuntu, I need to fix a depend issue
[09:14] <Kyral> and upload to REVU right?
[09:14] <slomo> give me the debdiff and i'll take a look at it and upload it then
[09:15] <Kyral> kk
[09:15] <Kyral> time to work :D
[09:15] <Kyral> dch -a right....
[09:15] <slomo> yes
[09:15] <slomo> no
[09:15] <slomo> dch -i -D dapper
[09:16] <slomo> and then correct the version number ;)
[09:16] <Kyral> ty
[09:23] <Kyral> WTF its already in Dapper universe
[09:23] <slomo> Kyral: with the fix?
[09:23] <Kyral> I don't think so
[09:23] <Kyral> checkout package mixxx
[09:24] <slomo> ok, then give me a debdiff ;)
[09:24] <Kyral> Okay, packages.ubuntu.com says its NOT there
[09:25] <crimsun> it hasn't been accepted from NEW yet
[09:25] <Kyral> but when I apt-get source it it comes from Dapper repos, even though I have sid enabled
[09:25] <Kyral> ah
[09:25] <Kyral> I was confused for a sec
[09:25] <crimsun> mixxx |    1.4.2-1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Sources
[09:25] <Kyral> so go ahead and fix it?
[09:25] <slomo> yes
[09:31] <Kyral> thanks for pointing that out. I'm not used to this "syncing" comcept (what gets synced and what doesn't)
[09:32] <slomo> you mean what gets synced automatically?
[09:32] <Kyral> yah
[09:33] <slomo> at least everything we already have from debian ;) when there were no changes or only rebuilds it will get synced automatically, when there were changes MoM will take it, make a bugreport and gives you a machine-generated merged version of the package
[09:34] <slomo> don't know about stuff which is in debian but not in ubuntu...
[09:34] <slomo> but seems like this gets synced too
[09:34] <Kyral> Then why did the source for mixxx get synced but not the source for crafty?
[09:35] <LaserJock> did somebody do a manual sync?
[09:35] <slomo> very good question... probably mixx was a manual sync?
[09:36] <farruinn> is buzilla still being used for main and restricted?
[09:37] <Kyral> hmm I have a question on the Users ML about security updates to Universe, Multiverse, and Backports and I'm not sure on how to answer
[09:37] <slomo> what question?
[09:37] <Kyral> about the thingy in the default Sources.list about "Also, please note that software
[09:37] <Kyral> in universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu
[09:37] <Kyral> security team."
[09:38] <slomo> that means, that it's not garantued that universe package will get security fixes
[09:38] <slomo> but when someone wants to make a fixed version, fine
[09:44] <Kyral> annnnd its segfaulting
[09:48] <Kyral> oh well, slomo do you want the debdiff anyway?
[09:49] <slomo> Kyral: sure... why not?
[09:49] <Kyral> It segfaults ;P
[09:49] <LaserJock> minor issues ;-)
[09:49] <slomo> that's bad :P
[09:49] <slomo> then i don't want it ;)
[09:49] <Kyral> Yah
[09:49] <slomo> fix the segfault and i'm happy :)
[09:49] <slomo> did it segfault before?
[09:49] <Kyral> But I have no clue why its segfaulting
[09:49] <Kyral> it didn't install before
[09:50] <slomo> and i have no clue what this package is good for =) hmm, do you have some experience with gdb, etc?
[09:50] <Kyral> I ran gdb
[09:50] <Kyral> no debugging symbols
[09:50] <Kyral> I'll try to nab the binary from Debian and see what happens
[09:51] <Kyral> if that segfaults as well I'll file a bug with Debian
[09:52] <slomo> could be a ubuntu specific problem even if the debian version does the same... maybe some used library has problems
[09:53] <Kyral> here is the problem
[09:53] <Kyral> it depends on libjack0.100 but dapper has libjack0.80
[09:53] <LaserJock> Kyral: doesn't segfaul for me in sid
[09:53] <Kyral> LaserJock, thats because Sid has libjack100
[09:54] <slomo> Kyral: does it work with the old libjack?
[09:54] <Kyral> Since its segfaulting I'd say no ;P
[09:54] <slomo> why do you think this is the problem?
[09:55] <Kyral> Because when I downloaded the deb from Sid, it wouldn't install due to a depend on libjack0.100
[09:56] <Kyral> however when I compiled it, it took "libjack" as avirtual package and used libjack0.80
[09:56] <crimsun> yes, we'll have a mini-transition for JACK
[09:56] <slomo> that's because the sid package was linked with libjack0.100... but that is doesn't tell us that the segfault is caused by libjack
[09:56] <crimsun> but until jack 0.100 is merged into main, we can't do anything
[09:56] <tseng> hi slomo
[09:56] <tseng> crimsun
[09:56] <crimsun> hi tseng
[09:56] <slomo> hi tseng
[09:57] <Kyral> slomo its the only thing I can think of. LaserJock says it works with his Sid
[09:57] <Kyral> and it doesn't work when compiled with Dapper using LibJack0.100
[09:57] <Kyral> only thign I changed was its depend on xlibmesa-gl-dev and xlibmesa-glu-dev, which are replaced by x11proto-gl-dev
[09:57] <tseng> slomo: i tested the new banshee
[09:58] <tseng> slomo: it is nice
[09:58] <slomo> tseng: yes, i know :) i'm running it too
[09:58] <slomo> tseng: but i'm waiting for new monodoc to built the docs of ipod-sharp ;)
[09:58] <tseng> and monodoc is waiting on xsp
[09:58] <slomo> yes... everything is waiting ;)
[09:59] <slomo> Kyral: well... what tells you it's not an error in libc for example?
[09:59] <Kyral> nope
[09:59] <Kyral> it compiles fine
[09:59] <Kyral> and when I run it from command line just "Segmentation Fault"
[10:01] <Kyral> I'll hit hit with debbuild and review the output
[10:01] <slomo> yes but that's no indication that the problem is libjack
[10:02] <Kyral> slomo I don't know what the problem. I'm just using deduction
[10:02] <slomo> hehe
[10:03] <\sh> good late afternoon guys :)
[10:03] <Kyral> hey \sh
[10:03] <slomo> Kyral: maybe strace / ltrace it
[10:03] <slomo> hi \sh :)
[10:04] <Kyral> slomo, once its done recompiling I will ;P
[10:04] <\sh> slomo: how is it in germany? :)
[10:05] <slomo> \sh: boring and rainy... so nothing changed =)
[10:05] <\sh> slomo: i thought it was sunny and warm?
[10:06] <slomo> \sh: wasn't in mannheim... where i was until this afternoon ;) i don't know how the weather is here... it was already dark when i arrived here ;) at least it doesn't rain
[10:10] <Kyral> Bingo its libjack-0.100
[10:11] <Kyral> strace confirmed it
[10:11] <slomo> Kyral: fine... good guess before then :)
[10:11] <Kyral> ty
[10:12] <Kyral> what should I do with it now then...
[10:12] <slomo> depends on the actual problem
[10:12] <slomo> paste it somewhere :)
[10:14] <Kyral> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3893
[10:15] <slomo> uh?
[10:15] <Kyral> look at the end ;P
[10:15] <slomo> that's interesting
[10:15] <slomo> i'll take a look at that package
[10:15] <Kyral> kk
[10:16] <slomo> what was the name? ;)
[10:16] <Kyral> mixxx
[10:16] <Kyral> if you use it as it in dapper-sources you'll need to fix the depend problem on xlibmesa-gl-dev
[10:17] <mindwarp> so if I am working on fixing .desktop files, should I be doing it for dapper or breezy?
[10:18] <LaserJock> mindwarp: dapper
[10:19] <mindwarp> ok so no .desktops will be fixed for breezy?
[10:19] <tseng> no
[10:19] <slomo> hm, maybe give me your debdiff... i'll work based on that so you'll be mentioned in the changelog ;)
[10:19] <LaserJock> no the only things going into breezy are security fixes  I believe
[10:19] <slomo> Kyral
[10:19] <Kyral> email?
[10:19] <slomo> Kyral: slomo@ubuntu.com
[10:20] <slomo> LaserJock: only "critical" stuff... may it be security fixes or a program wiping your harddisk or simply not running ;)
[10:21] <LaserJock> slomo: right, sorry that is what I meant to say
[10:21] <slomo> LaserJock: no need to be sorry :P
[10:21] <Kyral> slomo, sent
[10:21] <slomo> Kyral: ok :)
[10:21] <LaserJock> slomo: well i wasn't clear enough
[10:22] <Kyral> someone remind me to write an XChat-Plugin to integrate with Evolution
[10:22] <slomo> Kyral?! xchat and evolution? ;) how does this go together?
[10:22] <Kyral> Just so I would be able to right click on an email addy and have the option to compose mail to the addy in Evolution ;P
[10:23] <slomo> you can already do that
[10:23] <slomo> settings/advanced/url-handling
[10:23] <Kyral> I can? How? Sure ain't showing up in my menu
[10:23] <Kyral> Might I suggest this be enabled by default?
[10:24] <slomo> sure... fill a bugreport and maybe add a debdiff to that :) i can't do anything for main packages
[10:24] <Kyral> I'll file a bug report, but I don't know how to control evolution remotely
[10:27] <slomo> Kyral: evolution foo@bar.com
[10:27] <slomo> Kyral: evolution mailto: foo@bar.com
[10:27] <Kyral> okay okay okay
[10:27] <slomo> argh
[10:27] <slomo> without the space ;)
[10:28] <Kyral> I'll do it later ;P
[10:28] <Kyral> I'd have to modify the XChat package to do that right?
[10:28] <slomo> yes
[10:28] <Kyral> Yah I'll leave that to Main Maintainers (No pun intended)
[10:30] <slomo> np
[10:30] <Kyral> hmm, Launchpad or Bugzilla....
[10:30] <slomo> hmm, LP probably
[10:30] <Kyral> cool
[10:31] <slomo> but i'm not sure ;)
[10:31] <Kyral> I'll file it then immeadiatly mark it Wishlist
[10:34] <Kyral> ain't that critical ;P
[10:35] <Kyral> gah the binary package isn't in FP
[10:35] <Kyral> err LP ;P
[10:35] <slomo> only sourcepackages are
[10:35] <Kyral> ah
[10:35] <Kyral> I'm used to smashing bugs, not filing them ;P
[10:39] <Kyral> filed and wishlisted
[10:43] <mindwarp> does debhelper take care of moving the .desktop file automagically, or do I need to do it manually in the rules file?
[10:44] <slomo> manually
[10:45] <Kyral> Anyone know what the package name of Add Remove Programs is?
[10:45] <Kyral> Some guy on the ABT Forum accidently nuked it and wants it back..and I can't find it
[10:45] <Amaranth> gnome-app-install
[10:45] <Kyral> ty
[10:46] <Amaranth> reinstalling ubuntu-desktop would get the package back
[10:46] <Amaranth> or did it actually manually delete the files?
[10:46] <Kyral> Its more like he installed KDE then uninstalled it
[10:46] <Kyral> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=84683
[10:48] <slomo> Kyral: paste the output of ldd `which mixxx` somewhere please :)
[10:48] <Kyral> I removed it :P
[10:49] <Kyral> /usr/bin/mixxx
[10:50] <slomo> note the ldd before it :P
[10:51] <Kyral> why is it giving me a different strace now....ohhhh....I forgot to reinstall the ubuntu data pack. Still Segfaults
[10:51] <slomo> yes but give me the output of ldd please ;)
[10:52] <Kyral> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3897
[10:55] <slomo> and strace still gives you the missing libjack 0.100?
[10:55] <Kyral> nope. I made a mistake and still had the Debian Data pack installed when I made that trace *embarrassed*
[10:56] <slomo> oh
[10:56] <slomo> what does it give you now?
[10:56] <slomo> (i don't want to install qt :P )
[10:57] <Kyral> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3898
[10:58] <slomo> ok, nothing easy without gdb
[10:59] <Kyral> you want me to recompile it with debug symbols and give you the output from gdb?
[10:59] <slomo> you should get a fairly useful backtrace with gdb without debug symbol
[10:59] <slomo> s
[11:02] <Kyral> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3899
[11:02] <Kyral> backtrace ;P
[11:02] <slomo> distributed debugging ;)
[11:02] <Kyral> eh?
[11:03] <slomo> nm... anyway, that backtrace is NOT useful :P
[11:04] <Kyral> lol
[11:04] <Kyral> sorry
[11:04] <slomo> isn't your fault :)
[11:04] <slomo> but why is this program using opengl? what does it do? ;)
[11:04] <Kyral> Its a music mixing program from the sound of it
[11:05] <Kyral> a "Digital DJ System"
[11:05] <Kyral> now i have to remember how to compile a deb with Debug symbols
[11:05] <slomo> ok, i actually have no idea ;)
[11:05] <slomo> that's not symbol-related
[11:05] <Amaranth> it's an env variable
[11:05] <slomo> you won't get a better backtrace with debugging symbols
[11:06] <slomo> there's something really wrong there
[11:06] <Amaranth> stack corruption?
[11:06] <Kyral> x11proto-gl-dev is a compatiable replacement to the xlibmesa dev packs right?
[11:06] <slomo> looks like it
[11:07] <slomo> Kyral: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGLUTransition
[11:08] <Kyral> hmm
[11:09] <Kyral> I'll try rebuilding with those
[11:12] <mindwarp> if I alter a .deb, what is the format of the new package.diff.gz? just diff between the 2 dirs gzipped?
[11:14] <slomo> yes
[11:17] <Kyral> wham bam same problem
[11:18] <Kyral> I really wanna mark this as FTBFS
[11:21] <mindwarp> ftbfs?
[11:21] <Kyral> Failure To Build(an installable package) From Source
[11:26] <Kyral> slomo, can you agree with me that this package is ****ed up?
[11:27] <slomo> Kyral: which? mixxx?
[11:27] <Kyral> yah
[11:27] <slomo> yes
[11:27] <slomo> probably
[11:27] <Kyral> ty
[11:27] <slomo> either mixxx or one of it dependencies
[11:27] <Kyral> Someone put it on the FTBFS list, I need to go study
[11:28] <slomo> well...
[11:28] <slomo> builds now ;)
[11:28] <Kyral> It builds, but no exec
[11:28] <Kyral> ain't that what a FTBFS is?
[11:28] <slomo> no
[11:29] <Kyral> oh whoops X_X
[11:29] <slomo> FTBFS is when it can't be build from source
[11:29] <slomo> this can be build... but it doesn't work
[11:29] <Kyral> so its just "RFU"
[11:29] <slomo> ?
[11:29] <Kyral> Royally ****ed Up ;P
[11:30] <slomo> hehe
[11:42] <mindwarp> how to I change the version # of the package I am fixing, I am using  pbuilder build, I changed the version in the changelog and dsc file
[11:42] <mindwarp> but when the package builds it is still named the previous version
[11:42] <slomo> mindwarp: changelog
[11:44] <mindwarp> I edited the debian/changelog file
[11:45] <slomo> and you added a new entry at the top with the new version number?
[11:45] <mindwarp> yes, is it sensitive to the types of tabs used (I used spaces instead)?
[11:47] <slomo> yes... spaces are correct
[11:47] <slomo> when you've done something wrong with that dpkg-parsechangelog would have told you
[11:49] <mindwarp> ok for reference too, is the only file I need to change the changelog?
[11:49] <mindwarp> or was I right in editing the dsc?
[11:49] <slomo> the dsc is creating automatically
[11:49] <mindwarp> gotcha
[11:49] <mindwarp> just when I use pbuilder I must specify a dsc
[11:50] <slomo> you only change stuff in the sourcetree and run debuild to create dsc, diff.gz and tar.gz
[11:51] <farruinn> does debuild do the same thing as dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S?
[11:57] <slomo> farruinn: yes... use whatever you like ;)
[11:57] <slomo> farruinn: i use dpkg-buildpackage too... but many people seem to prefer debuild
[11:57] <farruinn> it's less typing
[11:58] <farruinn> the reading that I've done though has given examples with dpkg-buildpackage though