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| arkan0x | mhz_dinner, ?? tai | 02:00 |
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| mhz | re | 04:17 |
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| corey_ | http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1010 | 06:54 |
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| Yagisan | mhz: ping | 01:11 |
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| patber | hello. i have a question. can i use a 64bit as a terminal server and 32bit terminals? | 02:46 |
| Yagisan | patber: yes - but that patch is not in the edubuntu release based on breezy | 02:47 |
| Yagisan | patber: any reason you would like to do that ? (I run 64bit server with 32bit clients) | 02:48 |
| patber | i would like to use an amd64 server | 02:49 |
| patber | i'm not sure if the 32 client would boot | 02:50 |
| Yagisan | patber: In 64bit mode, or 32bit compatibility mode ? | 02:50 |
| patber | i'm not sure if the 32 client would boot | 02:50 |
| patber | 32bit mode for the clients | 02:50 |
| Yagisan | patber: In the current edubuntu setup, amd64 servers can not boot i386 (32bit) clients | 02:50 |
| Yagisan | patber: you can run 32bit edubuntu on amd64, and boot 32bit clients | 02:51 |
| patber | so i should use an 32bit server? | 02:51 |
| Yagisan | patber: with 64bit edubuntu you don't get non-free things like flash in firefox eg | 02:52 |
| patber | do you get more performance with your 64bit server? | 02:52 |
| Yagisan | patber: In some apps yes, in others it is actually slower. I built it as 64bit, as I need 64bit software development | 02:53 |
| patber | i see. thank you for your help. | 02:53 |
| Yagisan | patber: I had to stuff around setting up a 32bit chroot for firefox+flash+java | 02:53 |
| Yagisan | patber: at the moment, if you have less then 3/4GB RAM and you want your system to just work | 02:54 |
| Yagisan | patber: I would install 32bit edubuntu on the amd64 server | 02:54 |
| Yagisan | patber: have you used the amd64 version of ubuntu ? | 02:55 |
| patber | yes, i would have 20 clients so the ram would be < 4gb | 02:55 |
| patber | no, i have not used the 64bit version | 02:56 |
| patber | i am planning for the hardware i have to use | 02:56 |
| Yagisan | patber: It has some trouble with proprietary software (vendors don't support amd64 in 64bit mode), | 02:57 |
| Yagisan | patber: 32bit edubuntu runs fine on amd64 systems, faster then Intel P4 systems. | 02:58 |
| patber | maybe a 64bit system is easier to upgarde in the future | 02:58 |
| Yagisan | patber: biggest advantage of the 64bit system is the extra memory address space, and the extra registers | 02:59 |
| Yagisan | patber: next release of edubuntu should support 32bit clients with 64bit server out of the box | 03:00 |
| Yagisan | patber: I know, as I wrote the first patch to support that. | 03:00 |
| patber | well, in the meantime i will try the 42bit edubuntu on a 64bit sytsem | 03:00 |
| patber | well, in the meantime i will try the 32bit edubuntu on a 64bit sytsem | 03:00 |
| Yagisan | patber: no worries, let us know how your edubuntu system turns out :) | 03:01 |
| patber | i will do so. it will be a school in berlin | 03:01 |
| Yagisan | patber: cool, I believe ogra (main developer) is also from germany. | 03:02 |
| patber | thanks for your help. bye. | 03:03 |
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| Yagisan | ogra: how are the thin client bofs going ? (have they started yet ?) | 03:18 |
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| ogra | fine... | 03:20 |
| ogra | looks like we can get the Thin Client bootup down to 30sec (from 1.5 min currently) | 03:20 |
| ogra | i'm not really happy with the sound stuff, but we'll have to support dapper for 5 years, so we cant do the newest and gretest | 03:21 |
| Yagisan | ogra: cool. I look forward to quicker boots | 03:21 |
| ogra | you can look yourself btw | 03:21 |
| ogra | https://launchpad.net/sprints/ubz/ | 03:22 |
| ogra | look for thin client | 03:22 |
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| mhz | hi there | 03:24 |
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| juliux | re | 03:26 |
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| Yagisan | ogra: Is it possible to reduce client memory usage ? currently the clients need more then 32mb installed to boot | 03:46 |
| ogra | nope | 03:47 |
| ogra | thats a requirement of the ubuntu kernel | 03:47 |
| ogra | it needs at least 48MB | 03:47 |
| Yagisan | ogra: what about network swap ? | 03:47 |
| ogra | nbd ? | 03:47 |
| ogra | its prepared ... | 03:47 |
| Yagisan | ogra: whatever - but have it kick in on low ram boxes | 03:47 |
| Yagisan | ogra: we had a few bitches^W complaints about edubuntu not booting in 32mb boxes | 03:48 |
| Yagisan | ogra: some people didn't like being told to buy more ram | 03:49 |
| Yagisan | ogra: We should wiki that 48MB requirement in big bold letters - possibly list it in the topic too | 03:50 |
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| mhz_docing | does anyone here know how to say 'Desarrollo Sustentable' in english? | 05:16 |
| mhz_docing | Sustainable Development? | 05:16 |
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| highvoltage | edoo: hi | 06:00 |
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| edoo | heya, highvoltage! | 06:00 |
| magnon | ogra: quick approval :-) | 06:01 |
| magnon | if it was you | 06:01 |
| ogra | magnon, ? | 06:14 |
| magnon | ogra: launchpad | 06:14 |
| magnon | I signed up for the edubuntu group and got approved seconds later | 06:15 |
| ogra | magnon, oh, that was JaneW i guess ;) she always beats me to it | 06:15 |
| juliux | ogra, hi if you have time take a look at http://www.juliux.de/linux/edubuntuworkshop.odt | 06:16 |
| magnon | ogra is between bofs RIGHT now so he has ;-) | 06:22 |
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| JaneW | ogra: yes it was ;) | 06:47 |
| JaneW | ogra: hey I do what I can :P | 06:48 |
| highvoltage | hi JaneW | 06:48 |
| JaneW | hello highvoltage | 06:48 |
| highvoltage | feels like ages since i last talked to you | 06:48 |
| === JaneW just went outsdie in daylight for the first time since last week Tuesday... ;) | ||
| highvoltage | geez. feeling better? | 06:49 |
| JaneW | and now I feel guilty | 06:49 |
| highvoltage | you 'sound' better :) | 06:49 |
| JaneW | yes it was good to see ppl in the real world | 06:49 |
| highvoltage | don't worry, it's also been a while for me (since i saw daylight) | 06:49 |
| JaneW | and I finally sent a postcard back home :) | 06:49 |
| highvoltage | hehe | 06:50 |
| highvoltage | how's UBZ? anything exciting? i haven't been able to follow on-line. | 06:50 |
| JaneW | yes it's going well so far I think, not as manic as UDU, more organised and focused IMO | 06:50 |
| ogra | JaneW, you shoud start smoking... going out every hour lets the guilty feeling go away ;) | 06:53 |
| highvoltage | ogra: how do you feel about the next edubuntu release? | 06:53 |
| highvoltage | any ideas come up so far at this conf? | 06:54 |
| ogra | yup, we just finished up thin client sound | 06:54 |
| ogra | additionally we can cut down the thin client boot to a third of the time it uses now | 06:55 |
| highvoltage | yes, booting is very schloppy atm. | 06:55 |
| ogra | but 30sec until login sounds ok, doesnt it ? | 06:57 |
| highvoltage | yep | 06:58 |
| highvoltage | i wish i could be there. next year i'm making a plan to attend the conference we're having. | 06:58 |
| highvoltage | perhaps i should start campaigning that it should happen in .za | 06:59 |
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| JaneW | highvoltage: there's talk of that... or germany | 07:08 |
| JaneW | I am still viaing for THAILAND! | 07:08 |
| === highvoltage votes for .za, definately | ||
| JaneW | highvoltage: Thailand is cheap for us, and so much fin | 07:18 |
| JaneW | fun too | 07:18 |
| highvoltage | ok, thailand does sound cool. | 07:19 |
| highvoltage | and next year i will make more money, so it should be ok. | 07:19 |
| JaneW | ogra: someone... corey maybe, told me to tell you about the follwoing links LATE last night... http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1010 | 07:25 |
| JaneW | and http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=691 | 07:26 |
| === highvoltage will check in a mo' | ||
| ogra | JaneW, thats the third time he tells me.... | 07:26 |
| ogra | JaneW, and i wont tell him the third time that we cant ship gambas based software | 07:27 |
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| JaneW | ogra: sorry... | 07:27 |
| ogra | dont worry :) | 07:27 |
| === JaneW will thwap him next time I see him ;) | ||
| ogra | gnutu would duplicate schooltool :) | 07:28 |
| Burgundavia | ogra, JaneW sorry, I have a bad memory | 07:28 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, no worries ... | 07:28 |
| JaneW | gnutu - sounds like an ubuntu derivative | 07:29 |
| ogra | we should have gnutu available in universe, looks cool for the workstation | 07:29 |
| ogra | (for home usage) | 07:29 |
| JaneW | Burgundavia: np, I just didn;t want to forget if it was smoehting we wanted | 07:29 |
| highvoltage | what i like about schooltool is the amount of thought that went into it to do it properly. | 07:29 |
| JaneW | lunch time yay | 07:29 |
| Burgundavia | JaneW, yes | 07:29 |
| ogra | LUNCH !!!! | 07:29 |
| JaneW | ! | 07:29 |
| JaneW | bye | 07:29 |
| highvoltage | bye! | 07:30 |
| th1a | I'd never heard of gambas. | 07:32 |
| th1a | But I suppose something like that had to exist, whether it is a good idea or not. | 07:32 |
| highvoltage | gambas? what's that. | 07:37 |
| highvoltage | edoo: google for gambas | 07:37 |
| th1a | Apparently, free visual BASIC, more or less. | 07:37 |
| highvoltage | ah. | 07:38 |
| th1a | Is edoo a bot? | 07:47 |
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| th1a | Apparently so. | 07:47 |
| Conan59 | good day to all. | 07:47 |
| Conan59 | I need someone to point me to a nice start about using edubuntu with LSTP | 07:48 |
| Conan59 | I haven't understood all the details on the LSTP site enough to translate them to edubuntu | 07:49 |
| bluefrog-10 | what do u need to know? | 07:49 |
| bluefrog-10 | Conan59, what do u want to know? | 07:51 |
| Conan59 | sorry | 07:56 |
| Conan59 | Basically an easy way to start | 07:56 |
| Conan59 | What do I install? | 07:56 |
| Conan59 | where do I get it.. | 07:56 |
| Conan59 | I already have the latest version of edubuntu | 07:56 |
| Conan59 | edubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso | 07:56 |
| Conan59 | and I'm going to install it on a computer later today | 07:57 |
| Conan59 | but what do I need to configure and how do I plug the clients? | 07:57 |
| juliux | Conan59, the clients boots via pxe or a little bootimage, you didn't have to install anything at the client | 07:58 |
| Conan59 | So I don't need the chip for the network card? | 08:02 |
| Conan59 | I can make a floppy image and run from the server? | 08:02 |
| Conan59 | I guess I need to disable my existing DHCP server, right? | 08:02 |
| Conan59 | being a linksys router I don't think it supports what I need, does it? | 08:03 |
| juliux | yes on the edubuntu the dhcp server should run | 08:05 |
| bluefrog-10 | better if you disable it to test, just to make sure there is no interference | 08:05 |
| juliux | and then the clients can boot via network | 08:05 |
| bluefrog-10 | install edubuntu while following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPServerSetup?highlight=%28ltsp%29 | 08:05 |
| bluefrog-10 | u might have a pb to log in with your clients, if it's the case come back here and it will be solved in no time | 08:06 |
| Conan59 | pb? | 08:07 |
| bluefrog-10 | problem | 08:07 |
| Conan59 | OH thanks :D | 08:07 |
| Conan59 | Thank you very much for your help | 08:07 |
| Conan59 | that's exactly what I was looking for. | 08:07 |
| Conan59 | I'll come back as soon as I have it up and running. | 08:08 |
| Conan59 | Thanks again.. see you later! | 08:08 |
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| xDudex | Hey | 08:47 |
| juliux | ho | 08:48 |
| xDudex | Have any of you deployed Edubuntu yet? If so, for what? | 08:48 |
| xDudex | err | 08:48 |
| xDudex | as a Terminal server... I meant =/ | 08:49 |
| bluefrog-10 | xDudex, schools would be the best example | 08:49 |
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| juliux | or fair teams like the german ubuntu/edubuntu fair team | 08:50 |
| xDudex | fair teams? | 08:51 |
| juliux | yes we make booth at fairs | 08:51 |
| juliux | or conferences | 08:51 |
| xDudex | ahh, ok | 08:52 |
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| xDudex | is it possible to create a customized desktop setup and then use that as a template so-to-speak for a group of users? | 08:52 |
| juliux | you can make it by hand | 08:53 |
| xDudex | yeah, but say I need it to be identical for 20 users, is there a way to avoid doing it all by hand? =) | 08:54 |
| bluefrog-10 | yes certainly | 08:54 |
| juliux | you can also write a little script | 08:54 |
| bluefrog-10 | can't tell u right now how but am pretty sure that it's possible to define several default desktops and then assign them to groups | 08:55 |
| xDudex | ok, cool, that's helpful in my search, knowing that it is possible | 08:56 |
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| highvoltage | xDudex: you can also copy a costomised home directory to /etc/skel | 09:02 |
| highvoltage | all new users will then have that setup | 09:02 |
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| xDudex | highvoltage, yeah, I was just reading about that on a site | 09:20 |
| xDudex | brb | 09:20 |
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| mhz_lunch | re | 09:38 |
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| XRaxX | oh snap | 09:51 |
| XRaxX | this is quite easy | 09:51 |
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| XRaxX | Set up one user as the model, copy its config files into /etc/skel | 09:51 |
| XRaxX | then all new users will be set up like the model | 09:51 |
| bluefrog-10 | how would u do then to assign a skeleton to someone depending on the group he is memeber of? | 09:54 |
| bluefrog-10 | there must be a way to achieve that, no? | 09:54 |
| XRaxX | I don't know | 09:56 |
| XRaxX | still doing more reading on it =) | 09:56 |
| bluefrog-10 | something like create /etc/skel /etc/skel1 and so on :) | 09:56 |
| bluefrog-10 | i need to have a look into ldap directory to see if it can be done thru it | 09:57 |
| XRaxX | I have never used an ldap directory | 09:58 |
| neurogeek | bluefrog-10, /etc/skel is group-independant AFAIK | 09:59 |
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| XRaxX | correct, neurogeek | 09:59 |
| XRaxX | the question is then, is there a way to do the same thing /etc/skel does, but make it group dependant? | 09:59 |
| neurogeek | XRaxX, unless you add script support to it.. by modifing useradd | 10:00 |
| neurogeek | it shouldn't be that difficult | 10:01 |
| XRaxX | what do you mean? | 10:01 |
| bluefrog-10 | yes but then it would for users only | 10:02 |
| bluefrog-10 | u wouldn't change a group at once , would u? | 10:02 |
| bluefrog-10 | or to be clearer, change a user skel by adding him to a group | 10:03 |
| neurogeek | I mean.. changing useradd code.. that way you can do what you want to skel.. or creating a new adduser program | 10:03 |
| bluefrog-10 | adduser yep seems better | 10:03 |
| neurogeek | bluefrog-10, yes.. | 10:04 |
| bluefrog-10 | am having a look at smbldap-useradd, there is an option for the skeleton there | 10:06 |
| neurogeek | yes.. but with group support?? | 10:07 |
| bluefrog-10 | -m creates home dir and copies /etc/skel -k specifies skeleton dir | 10:07 |
| mhz | bluefrog-10: but what is exactly what you need? UserGroup have access to this application while UserGroup2 does not? | 10:07 |
| bluefrog-10 | hang on hang on one thing at a time ... :) | 10:07 |
| neurogeek | bluefrog-10, thats the standard way useradd does it | 10:07 |
| neurogeek | mhz, hello.. how are you?? | 10:07 |
| bluefrog-10 | oh yes was checking useradd but missed it | 10:08 |
| mhz | Mauricio Hernandez Z. | 10:08 |
| mhz | neurogeek: has bad memory :) | 10:08 |
| bluefrog-10 | mhz, no someone was asking if possible to assign a skel to a group | 10:08 |
| bluefrog-10 | so that all members of a group have same desktop | 10:08 |
| neurogeek | mhz, no.. jeje.. i asked about how are you doing? how are your things? jeje | 10:09 |
| mhz | neurogeek: oohhh, my tired eyes, duh!!! | 10:09 |
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| neurogeek | mhz, don't worry.. nice seeing you again | 10:09 |
| mhz | m2 | 10:09 |
| mhz | bluefrog-10: oh, same desktop for G1 but will users in G2 still see SAME menus? | 10:10 |
| bluefrog-10 | not sure of what the guy wanted but for me it would be like this yes | 10:11 |
| bluefrog-10 | eventually having different icons on desktop as well in relation to waht they are doing | 10:12 |
| mhz | hmm, I guess 'adduser' has some options to specify /etc/skel but I doubt this will provide a diff menu depending on Group :( | 10:12 |
| bluefrog-10 | G1 accounting has accounting icons on desktop and so on | 10:12 |
| mhz | well, that'd be cool for schools purposes | 10:12 |
| bluefrog-10 | yes | 10:12 |
| XRaxX | that simplifies it though because you just make a few different /etc/skel 's based on the groups you need | 10:12 |
| XRaxX | then specifiy which to use in creation | 10:13 |
| mhz | but I think this will be possible under Wmaker or Fluxbox desktops | 10:13 |
| neurogeek | bluefrog-10, modifiying adduser or useradd is the only way to do that | 10:13 |
| mhz | i doubt it under GNOME | 10:13 |
| mhz | (maybe) | 10:13 |
| mhz | neurogeek: but doesn't adduser offer a flag for a diff /skel ? | 10:14 |
| bluefrog-10 | ok then to make it simpler, a useradd script which asks in which group he's going to be, then we the input to define the skel? | 10:14 |
| neurogeek | mhz, yes.. you can specify what is going to be your skel dir.. but not to make group differences between them | 10:14 |
| XRaxX | wouldn't it just be easier to use that switch? | 10:14 |
| mhz | neurogeek: you mean no -G flag or something? | 10:15 |
| XRaxX | it doesn't have to be fully automated... | 10:15 |
| neurogeek | bluefrog-10, easier.. write a script that calls useradd specifiying it what sekl dir to grab by group | 10:15 |
| mhz | neurogeek: oooh, now i see | 10:15 |
| bluefrog-10 | yes that's what i meant (i think) in very bad english :) | 10:15 |
| mhz | sorry | 10:15 |
| mhz | bluefrog-10: your english is fine | 10:16 |
| neurogeek | mhz, -m -k (skel dir) | 10:16 |
| mhz | communication is the key | 10:16 |
| bluefrog-10 | my scripting is less :) | 10:16 |
| XRaxX | neurogeek, yes | 10:16 |
| mhz | bluefrog-10: my scripting is Zero | 10:17 |
| neurogeek | :D | 10:17 |
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| bluefrog-10 | so far zero is a high score for me | 10:17 |
| mhz | hehehehe | 10:17 |
| neurogeek | bluefrog-10, it will be easy.. you just have to wrap useradd, with the parameters you want | 10:17 |
| mhz | bluefrog-10: IIRC, OSX had an option to do exactly what we're discussing from GUI :D | 10:18 |
| mhz | .oO(neurogeek's right) | 10:18 |
| neurogeek | :D | 10:19 |
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| blue-james | hum my first xchat window has gone somewhere but where exactly i don't know..; | 10:20 |
| blue-james | am bluefrog-10 | 10:21 |
| XRaxX | haha, weird | 10:21 |
| blue-james | could you point me to a site where i could find simple scripting example so that i can learn from live stuff? | 10:22 |
| blue-james | am no programmer so theory is a bit above my head | 10:22 |
| neurogeek | going to check | 10:23 |
| blue-james | but i can make my way with real stuff | 10:23 |
| blue-james | and then i go back to theory | 10:23 |
| XRaxX | shell scripting? | 10:24 |
| blue-james | sh scripts | 10:24 |
| XRaxX | same thing =P | 10:24 |
| blue-james | such as as for a user input and use that input afterwards | 10:24 |
| blue-james | such as ask.. | 10:24 |
| mhz | bluefrog-10: have you ever used WebMin stuff? | 10:25 |
| blue-james | yes | 10:25 |
| mhz | i'd bet webmin has what you need from GUI | 10:25 |
| XRaxX | that is more advanced than what I know, heh | 10:25 |
| blue-james | have had a look itno their scripts already but tough | 10:25 |
| XRaxX | maybe http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ ? | 10:25 |
| mhz | i'd bet webmin has what you need from GUI (adding users with profiles) | 10:26 |
| blue-james | becasue they are calling so many things, it makes me dizzy :) | 10:26 |
| XRaxX | is webmin an ubuntu package? | 10:27 |
| blue-james | cool will have a look into Example 4-1. Variable assignment and substitution | 10:27 |
| blue-james | webmin yes | 10:27 |
| blue-james | universe | 10:27 |
| neurogeek | blue-james, you just need (as simple as i see it ) something like this http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/2004?_nevow_carryover_=1130880435.99127.0.0.10.759829862943 | 10:27 |
| XRaxX | roger that, found it | 10:27 |
| neurogeek | Of course.. validating the existence of both $group and /etc/skel_$group | 10:28 |
| blue-james | perfeact | 10:28 |
| neurogeek | blue-james, its not the most elegant thing in the world.. but it'll do | 10:29 |
| blue-james | exactly what the guy asked and exactly what i needed to start to understand how to do them ty very much | 10:29 |
| mhz | perfect! | 10:29 |
| neurogeek | np | 10:29 |
| XRaxX | yeah, cool, thanks | 10:29 |
| blue-james | elegant stuff is one thing, wroking stuff i prefer :) | 10:29 |
| mhz | blue-james: then after, please wiki a page stating how you solved the 'problem' | 10:30 |
| neurogeek | thats my motto on pressure times.. jaja | 10:30 |
| blue-james | mhz, am working on samba-ldap dhcp3 bind howto | 10:31 |
| mhz | cooool | 10:31 |
| blue-james | have done all my tests 4 or 5. i need to write now | 10:31 |
| blue-james | 4or5 times | 10:32 |
| mhz | excuseme, educool! | 10:32 |
| mhz | :) | 10:32 |
| blue-james | i still need to explore postfix. bit hard as i was used to sendmail | 10:32 |
| mhz | free as in freedom is harder path, but much more gratefull in the end | 10:33 |
| blue-james | i would prefer postix as it is in breezy but if loosing too much time i will go sendmail in universe | 10:33 |
| mhz | hmmmm, boooh | 10:33 |
| blue-james | i mean postfix in itself, i can do but apparently i have some pb to integrate an imap server with it | 10:34 |
| blue-james | tried courrier and cyrus, no good. i prefer dovecot anyway but i haven't started yet | 10:35 |
| blue-james | well started but just a little | 10:35 |
| blue-james | by no good i mean i was no good :) | 10:36 |
| mhz | hehehe | 10:36 |
| mhz | dovecot you said? I read a terrific howto | 10:36 |
| mhz | blue-james: need a url? | 10:36 |
| blue-james | if in conjunction with postfix yes by all means | 10:37 |
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| blue-james | otherwise yes as well anyway :) | 10:37 |
| blue-james | but so far my dovecot pb seems to come from ldap auth. | 10:37 |
| blue-james | didn't have those pb with K12LTSP but now that 've dumped K12 i need to understand things a bit deeper | 10:38 |
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| mhz | re | 10:42 |
| mhz | sorry | 10:42 |
| mhz | blue-james: http://www.howtoforge.com/taxonomy_menu/1/4 | 10:46 |
| blue-james | cool i killed my first window, will be back.. ty | 10:47 |
| mhz | yw | 10:47 |
| blue-james | or maybe can i just take back my name from here without shuting don xchat? | 10:47 |
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| signifer123 | so what advantages does edubuntu have for High Schools? | 11:42 |
| bluefrog-10 | less money involved in clients, maintenance... | 11:43 |
| bluefrog-10 | when i say less it's an euphemism | 11:43 |
| bluefrog-10 | understand big money saved | 11:43 |
| bluefrog-10 | money that can be used on training people | 11:44 |
| corey_ | time is another thing that may not be directly expressed as money, but certainly would be felt | 11:47 |
| corey_ | that is what edubuntu saves | 11:47 |
| magnon | training is generally a cost, but it's a long term thing | 11:54 |
| corey_ | yes, and if you make the system as turn-key as possible, you eliminate a great deal of training | 11:56 |
| bluefrog-10 | training as in training pple how to use a computer, openoffice and so on.... | 11:57 |
| magnon | I don't think you would always need a course as of such | 11:57 |
| bluefrog-10 | training as having night courses for elderly and so on.; | 11:58 |
| signifer123 | but how about on restrictions? | 11:58 |
| magnon | if they're not completely illiterate they'll find their way around | 11:58 |
| signifer123 | lol | 11:58 |
| magnon | signifer123: restrictions to what users can do? | 11:58 |
| signifer123 | like keeping them from accessing certain aprts of the fs | 11:58 |
| bluefrog-10 | am not talking about the IT guy who is going to install.. | 11:58 |
| signifer123 | parts* | 11:58 |
| signifer123 | for students | 11:59 |
| magnon | well, edubuntu does or will do restrictions | 11:59 |
| signifer123 | what does it do as of now? | 12:00 |
| magnon | ogra: answer please :-) | 12:01 |
| magnon | I'm not sure | 12:01 |
| bluefrog-10 | what u need it to do | 12:01 |
| magnon | but you have the basic unix separations | 12:01 |
| bluefrog-10 | define your needs | 12:01 |
| signifer123 | keep them from accessing the main aprt of the linux fs | 12:01 |
| magnon | why would you? | 12:01 |
| signifer123 | why would they have to | 12:01 |
| bluefrog-10 | they don't have access to files system | 12:01 |
| signifer123 | if they mess something up then you have to ghost it | 12:02 |
| magnon | to start programs and such? | 12:02 |
| magnon | they won't have an access to write it | 12:02 |
| magnon | only an admin would | 12:02 |
| signifer123 | just allow them to see their home dir thats it | 12:02 |
| magnon | that's silly | 12:02 |
| signifer123 | they can't even see the other stuff | 12:02 |
| magnon | that's a security measure that you don't need | 12:02 |
| signifer123 | i guess so... | 12:03 |
| signifer123 | does wine support netware? | 12:03 |
| ogra | a normal user can mess up parts of the os in linux | 12:03 |
| ogra | s/can/can't/ | 12:03 |
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