[08:58] <pef> hello
[09:03] <mornfall> wibble
[01:36] <Lathiat> eww
[01:36] <Lathiat> mez dude
[01:36] <Lathiat> i think your talking around on wireless or soemthing
[01:36] <Lathiat> :)
[01:43] <Tm_T> fd Mez 
[01:50] <pef> should I use --disable-rpath when it's possible ? I'm packaging a new upstream version of kdissert and it uses --rpath parameter to build libraries
[02:18] <Tm_T> :(
[02:28] <Tm_T> hmm, I think that'll do it
[02:36] <apokryphos> Tm_T: all fine now; down to crazy wifi :P
[02:38] <Mez> ...?
[02:40] <apokryphos> was wondering what was going on
[03:04] <Tm_T> =)
[03:39] <mornfall> hey it's Riddell :)
[03:39] <Riddell> good morning
[03:40] <freeflying> Riddell:skim-1.4.3 released
[03:40] <Mez> morning Riddell
[03:41] <mornfall> freeflying: that almost begs for death penalty *sigh*
[03:42] <freeflying> hope it can solve some problems 
[03:42] <mornfall> i mean the colors
[03:43] <freeflying> :(
[03:47] <Riddell> freeflying: excellent (but don't use colours in IRC :)
[03:48] <apokryphos> ;-)
[03:49] <freeflying> Riddell: lintian message given in last release exist in this  still
[03:50] <Riddell> freeflying: there must be a way to do --without-rpath
[03:50] <freeflying> I've done with this option,but it dosen't work
[03:51] <freeflying> maybe shall do something with scim
[03:51] <Riddell> freeflying: have you uploaded to revu?
[03:52] <freeflying> y
[04:05] <Tm_T> freeflying: WTF
[04:06] <Tm_T> nice colours ;)
[04:06] <Tm_T> like ads in webpages
[04:09] <freeflying> sorry for using colors :)
[05:00] <Mez> lol
[05:00] <seaLne> plugged wacom tablet in and started using it, on debian plugged it in mouse stopped working ended up rebooting
[05:03] <Riddell> seaLne: I think I know a good solution to that :)
[05:04] <Riddell> I got some fanmail today from someone who saw my talk at ubuntu love day, I like fanmail
[05:04] <seaLne> yeah well the decision to use sarge was taken while i was down at linux2005 :(
[05:05] <seaLne> cool
[05:06] <Tm_T> Riddell: so why you don't answer to my mails? I send tens every day :'(
[05:06] <seaLne> Tm_T: they obviously aren't honouring him enough :)
[05:07] <Riddell> Tm_T: I don't have any e-mail from you except a couple of bugzilla reports (and they don't count as fanmail)
[05:08] <Tm_T> damn
[05:08] <Riddell> fixing bugzilla reports on the other hand are just as good as fanmail
[05:08] <Tm_T> ;)
[05:09] <Tm_T> now I wonder who got all that mail
[05:12] <apokryphos> Riddell: you always write Amarok :D not amaroK ;-)
[05:13] <Riddell> apokryphos: that's because I have a religious testimony against stupid capitalisation
[05:14] <apokryphos> they'll get the hint eventually 8)
[05:18] <Tm_T> :p
[07:03] <Riddell> http://freehackers.org/~tnagy/kdissert/kdissert_1.0.5.tar.gz
[07:03] <Riddell> #kubuntu-devel is my bookmarks
[07:08] <cmvo> Riddell:ping
[07:08] <Riddell> cmvo: yo
[07:09] <cmvo> Hi! FYI, I asked Waldo Bastian about my kdesu fix and he replied that it was the solution for the problem.
[07:09] <Riddell> cmvo: oh excellent, I've been poking people on IRC but got no reply, and waldo hasn't been on
[07:10] <Riddell> so cool, that can be uploaded to breezy-updates
[07:10] <cmvo> I'll be in 3.5 and may get backported to 3.4.
[07:11] <Riddell> 3.4 branch is dead, 3.5 is what's important
[07:11] <cmvo> I was curious and sent him an email :-)
[07:11] <Riddell> I rely on IRC too much :)
[07:12] <cmvo> I found his IRC nick, buyt couldn't find him on any KDE channel.
[07:14] <cmvo> I think putting it in breezy updates should be ok. Or have you found any testers with problems?
[07:15] <Riddell> cmvo: yeah, reports of success on http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/8681
[07:17] <cmvo> Just read it, sounds good.
[07:18] <cmvo> I wanted to try it on hoary, but didn't have the time today.
[07:18] <Riddell> hmm good point, we should support hoary too
[07:19] <Riddell> but there's zero changes in kdesu between breezy and hoary so it'll be fine
[07:19] <Riddell> http://freehackers.org/~tnagy/kdissert/kdissert_1.0.5.dsc
[07:19] <Riddell> kdissert package there needs tidying
[07:19] <cmvo> I think so too, seems the bug could have existed since kde 3.2. I think it worked in kde 3.1.
[07:22] <cmvo> Something else: How is the kubuntu live CD build? chroot and scripts?
[07:23] <Riddell> cmvo: live CD is magic done by kamion and others
[07:23] <Riddell> cmvo: but see the gnome live CD for how to edit it
[07:26] <cmvo> Ok, I'll take a look. I'm thinking about an ubuntu-router on a bootable CD. But no X, just text mode.
[07:27] <Riddell> ubuntu-server is a non X CD
[07:27] <Riddell> not live though
[07:28] <cmvo> I'd need a live version for systems w/o HD.
[07:29] <Riddell> gnome CD have scripts to take apart a live CD and put it together again differently
[07:29] <Riddell> feel free to adapt them to KDE ;)
[07:29] <sebas> Why would you adapt those scripts to a server live cd that doesn't run X anyway?
[08:02] <pef> Riddell: hello jonathan
[08:03] <pef> Riddell: I'm working on new upstream version of kdissert
[08:13] <Riddell> pef: rocking
[08:13] <Riddell> pef: take a look at what upstream did, see if it's worth using http://freehackers.org/~tnagy/kdissert/kdissert_1.0.5.dsc http://freehackers.org/~tnagy/kdissert/kdissert_1.0.5.tar.gz
[08:14] <Riddell> but it's a native package at the moment so that at least needs changing
[08:17] <pef> Riddell: all is ok, I wrote a patch to disable rpath in SConstruct, and now I just have to complete the clean target
[08:19] <Riddell> pef: wow, that'll solve freefling's skim lintian issues too
[08:20] <pef> Riddell: yep, no longer warnings :)
[08:20] <Riddell> pef: can I see the patch?  and have you passed it upstream?
[08:21] <pef> Riddell: just wait a few minutes, I have to go to home, will reconnect quickly :)
[08:21] <Riddell> cool cool
[08:22] <pef> bbl !
[08:34] <cmvo> Got to go. Cu!
[09:36] <pef> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=858
[09:37] <Riddell> excellent, I'll add that to my list of things to look at
[09:38] <Mez> hmmm
[09:38] <Mez> dissert
[09:38] <Mez> desert
[09:38] <Mez> mmm
[09:40] <pef> Riddell: concerning rpath, I just had to remove something from SConstruct file
[09:48] <Riddell> pef: if you're in a packaging mood, mateedit would be uber-cool
[09:51] <Mez> Riddell: I was going to look at matedit
[09:51] <Riddell> Mez: well whoever gets there first :)
[09:52] <pef> Mez: have you already begin the packaging ?
[09:53] <Mez> no
[09:53] <Mez> just downloading
[09:55] <pef> Riddell: have you another kde apps in mind ?
[09:57] <Riddell> pef: yzis?
[09:57] <Riddell> no idea what the status of that is yet
[09:57] <Riddell> but people are missing the lack o kvim
[10:00] <pef> Mez: if you want to package mateedit, go :) I can find another one to package
[10:13] <tshah> Hey, is the person in change of the kubuntu homepage here?
[10:14] <Riddell> tshah: hi
[10:14] <Riddell> that's me
[10:14] <tshah> Hey, I have a few suggestions for the website
[10:14] <Riddell> cool, let's have them
[10:15] <tshah> ok
[10:15] <tshah> 1. At the top left where it shows the kubuntu logo (in the header). The logo should link back to the home page
[10:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: little question concerning systemsettings
[10:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: is the fact that it is not fully translated a bug in the code, or does it go within a gmo file ?
[10:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was assuming it was using the same langage terms than kcontrol right ?
[10:17] <Riddell> it's a bug in kcontrol
[10:18] <Riddell> I think it just doesn't pass the needed --with-lang=foo to the module when it gets loaded
[10:18] <Riddell> I'll get it fixed, it's an important issue
[10:18] <Riddell> I should put kubuntu.org in bzr
[10:18] <Riddell> tshah: good idea
[10:19] <Mez> Riddell: then we can all play ?
[10:20] <tshah> 2. (Still in the header) The tabs on the top right should probably have an "alt" attribute 
[10:20] <Riddell> pef: meeting?
[10:20] <pef> Riddell: yep
[10:21] <Riddell> pef: give me some warning!!
[10:21] <Riddell> pef: where is your wiki page?
[10:21] <pef> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoicPefferkorn
[10:23] <Riddell> pef: cool, add kdissert to that
[10:23] <pef> Riddell: packaging new upstream version ?
[10:23] <Riddell> yeah
[10:24] <Riddell> qtparted too, and all the other stuff you have on revu
[10:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning the libssl-dev depedancie issue, would you suggest to upload anyway, or wait ?
[10:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: dunno, what's the issue?
[10:24] <Tonio_> impossible to build any package with pbuilder
[10:24] <Tonio_> because of kdelibs4-dev
[10:25] <Tonio_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:25] <Tonio_>   kdelibs4-dev: Depends: libssl-dev but it is not going to be installed
[10:25] <Tonio_> E: Broken packages
[10:25] <Mez> yeah
[10:25] <Mez> looking at that now
[10:25] <Tonio_> still the same problem than last week, and I just wonder if it is not better to wait for uploading on REVU
[10:26] <Tonio_> I have plenty of packages waiting ;)
[10:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: upload to revu is fine, upload to ubuntu may be best to wait
[10:26] <Riddell> but what's the actualy issue, you need toapt-get install libssl-dev to see what the problem is
[10:26] <Mez> Tonio_, dont you have access to REUV?
[10:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes but I can't check if it'll build correctly when the depandancy issue will be corrected...
[10:27] <Tonio_> Mez: I have access, but I don't wan't to upload packages that will may not build correctly ;)
[10:27] <tshah> Riddell: I have a few more problems with the site, should I e-mail you the list (I can even send you the html changes)?
[10:27] <Tonio_> I can't be sure they are good even if they build on breezy
[10:27] <Riddell> tshah: do you have the site code?
[10:27] <tshah> only when I use the "view source" function ;)
[10:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll test that yes
[10:29] <Riddell> tshah: hang on
[10:29] <Mez>   libssl-dev: Depends: libssl0.9.7 (= 0.9.7g-1ubuntu1) but 0.9.7g-1ubuntu1.1 is to be installed
[10:31] <Riddell> tshah: http://kubuntu.org/~jr/tmp/kubuntu.org-2005-11-1/
[10:31] <Riddell> tshah: http://kubuntu.org/~jr/tmp/kubuntu.org.tar.bz2
[10:31] <Riddell> rather
[10:32] <tshah> ok, I will probably get some of the changes done tonight
[10:32] <Riddell> tshah: do your changes, do a diff -u, e-mail me the URL to the diff and that'll be uer-col
[10:32] <Riddell> uber-cool
[10:32] <pef> Riddell: can you have a look on #ubuntu-meeting :)
[10:34] <Riddell> tshah: for extra love can you go to the wiki and changes to the kubuntu skin in UserPreferences, the tabs on the website should match them
[10:35] <Riddell> i.e. same fonts and add a wiki tab
[10:36] <tshah> Riddell: ok, I'll get working on it
[10:36] <Riddell> tshah: cool
[10:43] <Mez> pef: whats your paunchpad ID?
[10:44] <pef> Mez: loic
[10:47] <Mez>  Loic Pefferkorn (loic) was added as a member of Kubuntu Team.
[10:47] <Mez>  Loic Pefferkorn (loic) was added as a member of MOTU.
[10:47] <pef> Mez: thank you :)
[10:47] <Mez> np
[10:53] <Mez> http://www.sourceguru.net/kubuntu-logo-small.png
[10:59] <pef> have to go to bed :)
[10:59] <pef> bye !
[11:17] <tshah> Riddell: I just want to confirm something I found. So kubuntu is based on ubuntu which is based on the african word for "humanity towards others". And the "k" there is really to imply that this is for KDE, right?
[11:19] <Tm_T> ubuntu with kde
[11:24] <tshah> cool, thanks Tm_T
[11:26] <Tm_T> that's my "opinion" ;)
[11:27] <Tm_T> and IF I remember right, kubuntu has some meaning too as a word
[11:27] <Tm_T> "It means "towards humanity" in Bemba."
[11:27] <tshah> I am trying to confirm that
[11:28] <Tm_T> http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php
[11:28] <tshah> Yeah, I am working on the faq, I think that part is wrong
[11:28] <Tm_T> oh?
[11:28] <tshah> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(ideology)
[11:30] <tshah> It also says it without a k here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubuntu
[11:31] <Tm_T> yu
[11:31] <Tm_T> so maybe it is just "Ubuntu with K(de)
[11:31] <Tm_T> "
[11:32] <tshah> Yeah, that is my thinking, I just wanted to confirm it with one other developer and and Riddell (since he made the site)
[11:32] <Tm_T> heh, good idea ;)
[11:33] <Tm_T> and bts i's sir Riddell ;-P
[11:33] <Tm_T> s/bts/btw
[11:33] <allee> lol
[12:01] <Riddell> ubuntu means love of humanity in zulu/xhosa and other languages, kubuntu means towards humanity in bemba