[12:09] <mindwarp> should I be using pbuilder debuild | pbuilder build?
[12:10] <LaserJock> mindwarp: I do debuild -S in the source directory that I am working in and then do pbuilder build on the resulting .dsc
[12:10] <LaserJock> but that's just me so ...
[12:13] <jamessan> I usually just use pdebuild
[12:13] <slomo> ok, gn8 everybody :)
[12:14] <mindwarp> slomo - ok you want the .diff.gz file?
[12:14] <LaserJock> good night slomo
[12:15] <LaserJock> mindwarp: you probably want to make a debdiff. Try debdiff 1stfile.dsc 2ndfile.dsc
[12:28] <mindwarp> can someone take a look a www.mindwarp.net/files and see if the changes to agistudio are correct (added .desktop and icon references)
[12:39] <ajmitch> bug list is growing longer.. :)
[12:39] <crimsun> that's cause for weeping, no?
[12:39] <ajmitch> sure
[12:39] <ajmitch> and I'm < 1000 karma again
[12:40] <crimsun> dang
[12:40] <ajmitch> oh I've had worse things happen :)
[12:45] <farruinn> if one package A is labelled as replacing package B, and package C depends on package B, will A be used instead? (sorry if that's confusing)
[12:45] <ajmitch> if A Provides B
[12:46] <farruinn> I was just looking at this bug and it seems like it should be a trivial fix: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/3145
[12:49] <farruinn> although I think siretart said at UBZ that MOTU isn't making changes to breezy anymore?
[12:50] <tseng> that is true
[12:50] <ajmitch> farruinn: yep
[12:50] <ajmitch> and that package should _not_ do Provides
[12:53] <farruinn> ok, so this is probably pointless, but just for referece - libofx2 does replace libofx0c102, right? So how is that situation handled so that dependencies aren't broken?
[12:54] <Mithrandir> dependencies _are_ broken.  That's the point of sonames
[12:54] <Mithrandir> you rebuild anything depending on what you changed
[12:56] <ajmitch> libofx2 is missing a proper replaces, yes we know about it, brown paper bag & all
[12:56] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: libofx2 shouldn't Replace libofx0c102.
[12:57] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: what should it do, then?
[12:58] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: it should not ship binaries in /usr/bin, those should be in a -common package, it should put the docs in /usr/share/doc/$packagename, not somewhere else and you would have no reason to conflict.
[12:59] <Mithrandir> s/conflict/replace
[12:59] <ajmitch> agreed
[12:59] <ajmitch> but we didn't want to make that change the day before release, but it turns out we got it wrong anyway :)
[12:59] <Mithrandir> but given that the package is buggy, Replaces is the right thing.
[01:00] <mindwarp> wow those people in #ubuntu scare me
[01:00] <mindwarp> nuck do i need to reinstall? and which package? i'd rather reinstall than change system time
[01:00] <mindwarp> apparently linux is so easy to install now, even more so than changing the time on the system
[01:04] <Mez> hmm
[01:04] <Mez> any MOTUs around who want to review a package?
[01:08] <Mez> nvm
[01:09] <Mez> I need to fix it anyways
[01:13] <mindwarp> I need a MOTU to review a package also
[01:15] <Mez> mindwarp: I can probably look in a mo
[01:57] <sistpoty> hi folks
[01:58] <Lathiat> hey sistpoty
[01:58] <siretart> sistpoty: huhu
[01:58] <siretart> sistpoty: great that you are around
[01:58] <sistpoty> hi siretart... how's ubz?
[01:58] <siretart> sistpoty: we spec'ed revu2 :)
[01:58] <siretart> great :)
[01:58] <sistpoty> cool
[01:58] <siretart> sistpoty: you definitly need to review our spec
[01:59] <siretart> sistpoty: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU2Spec
[01:59] <siretart> please review and tell us what we forgot :)
[01:59] <siretart> we need approval from UBZ Reviewers :)
[02:01] <mez_> ajmitch: if you want someone to sign your key, I'll be more than happy o
[02:02] <mez_> though I'm sure you'll have more than one person :D
[02:03] <siretart> sistpoty: I need to leave really soon, we'll get out to get some food
[02:04] <siretart> sistpoty: if you notice anything which needs to be added, add it to the wiki and leave me a note.
[02:04] <sistpoty> siretart: ok... looks really good.
[02:04] <siretart> :)
[02:04] <siretart> thanks for reviewing :)
[02:04] <sistpoty> siretart: just found one small thing:  Possible actions for Reviewers: +mark tested for an architecture
[02:04] <siretart> great idea, could you add that to the wiki?
[02:05] <siretart> I need to leave now
[02:05] <siretart> thanks
[02:05] <sistpoty> sure...
[02:05] <sistpoty> hf ;)
[02:05] <siretart> :)
[02:05] <siretart> cu
[02:05] <sistpoty> cyqa
[02:05] <sistpoty> -q
[02:14] <mindwarp> any motu want to check out a package I made?
[02:14] <crimsun> mindwarp: url?
[02:21] <mindwarp> crimsun - http://www.mindwarp.net/files
[02:21] <mindwarp> crimsun - i also have the .debs but I was told just to post the diffs
[02:24] <crimsun> mindwarp: actually we prefer debdiffs
[02:24] <crimsun> generate a debdiff on the original and your new .dscs
[02:26] <mindwarp> crimsun - ok the diff I have posted there isn't a debdiff right?
[02:28] <sistpoty> mindwarp: a debdiff is a diff over two source packages, generated by debdiff old.changes new.changes (for example)
[02:31] <sistpoty> mindwarp: btw.: i took a glimpse at agistudio. please use -Xubuntu0 as version scheme, otherwise you'll steal versions from the dd
[02:31] <sistpoty> mindwarp: and there is a newer version for this in unstable. eventually you might want to take a look at that ;)
[02:32] <mindwarp> ok will do.  Just to clarify, do you want me to diff the original source package (which wouldnt reflect the current ubuntu changes) or do you want me to diff the ubuntu diff?
[02:34] <LaserJock> mindwarp: you have the orginal source .dsc file and a new .dsc file that you made right?
[02:34] <mindwarp> ah ok
[02:34] <sistpoty> actually the best would be to debdiff to the latest ubuntu package (the one in dapper i guess) to your package (just debdiff *changes). If you then name this s.th. like package_oldversion_newversion.debdiff that would be even better ;)
[02:35] <mindwarp> so I guess I need to upgrade to dapper since it will be a pain to do that all in a chroot?
[02:36] <sistpoty> mindwarp: i wouldn't really upgrade to dapper yet... just grab the source package from the repo ;)
[02:37] <LaserJock> mindwarp: you can make a dapper pbuilder and download the source from packages.ubuntu.com or packages.debian.org and build it in your dapper pbuilder
[02:38] <mindwarp> yeah I just put 2+2 together in my head on that one
[02:38] <mindwarp> I promise to catch on faster in the future
[02:39] <LaserJock> mindwarp: no problem, I am just learning myself :-)
[02:53] <mindwarp> sistpoty - what should I name my diff?
[02:53] <mindwarp> or is there a scheme of some sort in place?
[02:53] <Kyral> mindwarp, I usually name my debdiffs <PACKAGE>.debdiff
[02:53] <sistpoty> mindwarp: there is no scheme... but if you read the name, you should know about the package and the two versions ;)
[02:55] <sistpoty> mindwarp: or at least the version of the old package, since you need that one to generate the new ;)
[02:55] <mindwarp> well if I named my 1.2.1-5ubuntu0 doesn't that imply that it is against 1.2.1-5?
[02:56] <sistpoty> mindwarp: no
[02:57] <sistpoty> mindwarp: just in case you took the latest debian version which might have been newer than the latest ubuntu one
[02:58] <mindwarp> ok I have the files at www.mindwarp.net/files/ubuntu/agistudio, and the diff in question is agistudio_1.2.1-5desktopfix.diff
[02:58] <mindwarp> err .debdiff
[03:42] <sistpoty> mindwarp: you should call dh_desktop prior to dh_builddeb, otherwise this will have no effect (probably after dh_installchangelogs would be a good place)
[03:43] <sistpoty> mindwarp: and the cp -a don't work (wrong path that you try to copy to; should be in install target)
[03:44] <sistpoty> mindwarp: desktop file should use absolute path for icon
[03:47] <mindwarp> from wiki:     *
[03:47] <mindwarp>       For the .desktop file, list the icon by the relative path program.xpm rather than an absolute one to allow for user changes to the icon.
[03:47] <mindwarp> thanks for the help
[03:48] <mindwarp> I will fix the dh_builddeb and cp -a 's
[03:48] <sistpoty> np ;)
[03:56] <LaserJock_> mindwarp: you got this .desktop thing down now?
[03:56] <mindwarp> I think so, am going to edit my rules file once more and it should be good to go
[03:57] <LaserJock_> cool, when you get it down would you mind putting some of you main discoveries on the wiki?
[03:57] <mindwarp> sure thing
[04:01] <sistpoty> gn8 all
[04:01] <LaserJock> good night
[04:01] <mindwarp> night
[04:25] <bmonty_laptop> hey everyone
[04:26] <LaserJock> hi bmonty
[04:27] <bmonty_laptop> hows it going?
[04:27] <LaserJock> pretty good
[04:28] <LaserJock> I'm working on a presentation for tomorrow
[04:28] <LaserJock> I wish I didn't have so much RL work to do
[04:28] <bmonty_laptop> you are a grad student, right?
[04:28] <LaserJock> yeah
[04:28] <crimsun> heh, I have a poster presentation tomorrow, too
[04:28] <crimsun> silly NSF
[04:28] <LaserJock> crimsun: tell me about it ;-)
[04:29] <bmonty_laptop> are you working on a masters or phd?
[04:29] <LaserJock> Phd
[04:29] <schweeb> crimsun: NSF is a swear word in my vocab... it's the lotus notes mailbox file extension :(
[04:30] <bmonty_laptop> that is too much school for me :)
[04:30] <schweeb> hell, a bachelor's was too much school for me
[04:30] <LaserJock> I've been working on a fellowship proposal for NSF EPSCoR that was due today and I have to do a departmental presentation tomorrow
[04:30] <crimsun> schweeb: heh, you haven't seen notes 7, have you?
[04:31] <schweeb> crimsun: isn't it still beta?  we're using 6.5
[04:31] <bmonty_laptop> Last time I used notes was in 1998....it sucked
[04:31] <crimsun> haha, we weren't even using 6.5 when I was with IBM
[04:31] <schweeb> it's not gotten any better
[04:31] <schweeb> IBM still uses 6.5
[04:31] <schweeb> at least in the division my buddy's in
[04:31] <crimsun> not STG, no sir
[04:32] <schweeb> STG?
[04:32] <crimsun> systems & technology group
[04:33] <schweeb> ahh
[04:33] <crimsun> it does also depend on dept, but I know my coworkers made sure I avoided 6.5 like the plague
[04:34] <bmonty_laptop> LaserJock: don't you do chemistry?
[04:35] <mindwarp> how do I install a package in my pbuilder chroot to make sure it worked/
[04:36] <crimsun> I usually avoid that
[04:36] <bmonty_laptop> mindwarp: you can bindmount the directory with the package and then use dpkg to install it
[04:36] <crimsun> I have a separate chroot for that
[04:36] <bmonty_laptop> or...you can build an apt archive and use apt-get
[04:36] <schweeb> crimsun: is 7 actually any good?
[04:36] <LaserJock> bmonty_laptop: yes, I am a physical chemist
[04:37] <schweeb> they just migrated from 6 -> 6.5 about 6 months ago when I joined
[04:37] <bmonty_laptop> LaserJock: what are you researching?
[04:37] <crimsun> schweeb: think 6 on crack. If you didn't like 6, welp, chances are you'll dislike 7 intensely
[04:37] <schweeb> crimsun: I have outlook through EDS, which I forward all my mail to
[04:37] <schweeb> which helps me keep my sanity
[04:37] <LaserJock> bmonty_laptop: In a nutshell, I am trying to detect the world's smallest motor
[04:38] <bmonty_laptop> LaserJock: I have a masters in engineering...you can be a little more technical than that :)
[04:38] <LaserJock> bmonty_laptop: ok well, a synthetic chemistry is making a molecular motor that is <1nm in size
[04:39] <LaserJock> bmonty_laptop: I have to detect that they work and if the rotate clockwise or counterclockwise
[04:39] <mindwarp> so whats the quickest way for me to test a package for dapper on breezy without killing my pbuilder chroot?
[04:39] <LaserJock> mindwarp: dapper chroot
[04:39] <mindwarp> is there a quick wiki entry on that?
[04:40] <LaserJock> mindwarp: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[04:41] <bmonty_laptop> mindwarp: there are wikis on usig pbuilder and on making an archive
[04:42] <mindwarp> yeah I already have a pbuilder chroot
[04:42] <mindwarp> but I probably shouldnt taint it from what I gather
[04:43] <bmonty_laptop> mindwarp: installing a package doesn't taint the chroot
[04:45] <bmonty_laptop> LaserJock: so if you can detect the motors, can they do anything useful?
[04:46] <LaserJock> bmonty_laptop: well, kinda. We are going to insert them into DNA and do some testing of their mechanical properties (torque and efficiency mostly)
[04:47] <LaserJock> bmonty_laptop: then hopefully they can be used as a nanoswitch, chemical/biological threat sensor (I am presently working on this), and microfluidics
[04:48] <bmonty_laptop> LaserJock: cool stuff...I hope you are successful
[04:48] <crimsun> may you continue to be funded
[04:48] <LaserJock> bmonty_laptop: me too or I will never get my PhD
[04:48] <crimsun> that's the blessing we use
[04:49] <Kyral> And another one joins the fold
[04:49] <LaserJock> crimsun: well Harry Reid and Homeland Security have been helping there ;-)
[04:49] <crimsun> heheh
[04:50] <Kyral> I just got someone else to convert over to Ubuntu. Her comment after I installed Breezy and showed her how to do stuff "That was COOL! Why don't more people use Linux?"
[04:50] <mindwarp> yeah actually I have had a lot more luck with females than males
[04:51] <Kyral> Boy meets world in the spirit of Ubuntu
[05:04] <tritium> LaserJock, when do you expect to finish?
[05:05] <LaserJock> tritium: you can't ask a grad student that ;p
[05:05] <tritium> LaserJock, sure you can.  I had a 3 year deadline ;)
[05:05] <LaserJock> tritium: probably in a year
[05:05] <tritium> Cool...
[05:05] <LaserJock> maybe 2 or 3 or ...
[05:05] <tritium> Good luck!
[05:06] <crimsun> "as long as there's funding" == best answer
[05:06] <tritium> indeed
[05:06] <LaserJock> bmonty_laptop: you wanna see my proposal?
[05:06] <LaserJock> crimsun: well more like
[05:06] <LaserJock> "when I find a job"
[05:07] <crimsun> mm postdoc
[05:07] <crimsun> always gonna be someone's slave
[05:07] <LaserJock> crimsun: that's right
[05:08] <LaserJock> but I will be a better paid slave ;-)
[05:08] <mindwarp> someone want to test my new agistudio to see if it installs the .desktop and xpm icon?
[05:08] <mindwarp> http://www.mindwarp.net/files/ubuntu/agistudio
[05:10] <crimsun> dpkg-deb -c agistudio_1.2.1-5ubuntu0_i386.deb|grep .desktop ; echo $?
[05:10] <crimsun> 1
[05:11] <tritium> Will there be UBZ proceedings?
[05:11] <Kyral> Monitor Launchpad
[05:11] <crimsun> /usr/share/agistudio/agistudio.xpm does exist, though
[05:11] <tritium> Kyral, oh, where?
[05:11] <crimsun> mindwarp: so no, the .desktop does not exist (and thus wasn't installed properly)
[05:12] <Kyral> Somewhere in Specifications
[05:12] <tritium> Thanks, Kyral
[05:13] <Kyral> Hey crimsun you are the head of the xubuntu project right?
[05:13] <mindwarp> crimsun - I have it in the /debian dir of the package, should it be somewhere else to be included?
[05:17] <crimsun> mindwarp: it needs to be copied over to usr/share/applications/
[05:18] <crimsun> Kyral: jani and I are the MOTUs, yes, but we don't head it per se
[05:18] <mindwarp> in rules I have a install line that copies it there
[05:18] <Kyral> crimsun, ah, I just wanted to know if you all needed help with Xubuntu
[05:18] <mindwarp> is there anything special I have to do to make sure it is in the .deb file?
[05:19] <crimsun> Kyral: absolutely
[05:19] <Kyral> 'cause I <3 XFCE :D
[05:19] <crimsun> topic of #xubuntu has info
[05:19] <crimsun> mindwarp: state the command you use to copy the .desktop file to the correct place
[05:20] <Kyral> So someone needs to build all the packages not marked with "Completed"?
[05:20] <Kyral> nm that page is a month other
[05:20] <mindwarp> under install: build I have install -o root -g root -m 644 debian/agistudio.desktop /usr/share/applications/
[05:20] <Kyral> err
[05:20] <Kyral> old ;P
[05:21] <crimsun> mindwarp: eeek
[05:21] <crimsun> mindwarp: you want to install it to $foo/usr/share/applications/
[05:21] <mindwarp> with foo being?
[05:21] <crimsun> what compatibility level are you using for debhelper/
[05:22] <mindwarp> 4
[05:22] <crimsun> then it's debian/agistudio/usr/share/applications/
[05:23] <Kyral> Icky might I suggest Xubuntu not use ESD...
[05:23] <mindwarp> same with the xpm path I assume?
[05:24] <crimsun> mindwarp: that should go into /usr/share/icons/
[05:24] <mindwarp> not debian/agistudio/usr/share/icons/ ?
[05:24] <crimsun> mindwarp: err, yes, that
[05:25] <mindwarp> ok and the wiki tells me use pixmaps and not icons
[05:25] <mindwarp> which is correct?
[05:25] <crimsun> Kyral: I don't believe it will. I don't plan to carry the esd monster into 6.04, at least.
[05:25] <crimsun> mindwarp: the wiki is
[05:25] <crimsun> debian/agistudio/usr/share/pixmaps/
[05:27] <crimsun> mindwarp: make sure the .desktop doesn't have a hard-coded Icon path
[05:33] <mindwarp> crimsun - when I try the debian/agistudio/usr/share/pixmaps/ in the file it doesn't work because: cannot create regular fine 'debian/agistudio/usr/share/pixmaps/': Is a directory
[05:35] <crimsun> mindwarp: you're missing the destination
[05:36] <crimsun> debian/agistudio/usr/share/pixmaps/foo.desktop
[05:36] <crimsun> read install's man page. You may find it easier to use -D
[05:36] <mindwarp> and if I do that it will place the file in /usr/share/pixmaps/foo.desktop?
[05:37] <mindwarp> well I copied the syntax exactly from the xchat file
[05:37] <mindwarp> so I was pretty sure it was correct
[05:37] <crimsun> as an aside, you don't need -o or -g
[05:38] <crimsun> install is only one way; feel free to use cp
[05:39] <crimsun> back later.
[05:39] <mindwarp> real quick before you leave
[05:39] <mindwarp> so if compatibility level is 4, dpkg will replace the debian/agistudio/usr/share/pixmaps with /usr/share/pixmaps
[06:18] <crimsun> mindwarp: no, that's done by dh_movefiles, generally
[06:19] <crimsun> mindwarp: the compat level is significant for other reasons, as you'll see in the associated dh_ man pages
[06:31] <mindwarp> I think I fixed it by putting the files and destinations in the .install file
[06:35] <crimsun> sure, you can do that
[08:01] <zyga> morning
[08:58] <pef> hello
[11:35] <shawarma> is anyone here using the gnome-power-manager thing instead of the default one? Can you see how much time is left on your battery?
[12:01] <Nafallo> shawarma: not in dapper atleast. and it thinks I eth0 is power.
[01:49] <shawarma> Nafallo_away: Er... eth0? Power?
[01:49] <shawarma> Nafallo_away: wtf?
[02:15] <Nafallo> shawarma: my thought exactly :-P
[02:15] <Nafallo> shawarma: I remove the tp and g-p-m says I'm on battery :-)
[02:15] <Nafallo> atleast if I've removed the powercord already :-)
[02:26] <zakame> hi all
[02:27] <Mirno> zakame: hello, I say
[02:35] <zakame> hmmm, in a make rule, can I use something like k=$(uname -r); echo $$k
[02:35] <zakame> ?
[02:36] <zakame> instead of k=`uname -r`; echo $$k
[02:36] <zyga> zakame: technically yes but read the fine print on how to do this
[02:39] <slomo> zakame: maybe you want K=$(shell uname -r)?
[02:40] <zakame> slomo: can that be done under a rule?  I was under the impression that your example above will work only on Make variables
[02:40] <slomo> yes
[02:41] <slomo> not in a rule
[02:41] <zakame> oh, cool
[02:41] <slomo> but why do you want it in a rule and not as a global variable?
[02:41] <zakame> so, I can still use that as a $$k
[02:44] <slomo> hm
[03:12] <Yagisan> G'day, any powerpc users here with a breezy pbuilder that could do me a favour ?
[03:13] <slomo> Yagisan: depends on what you want tested ;)
[03:13] <Yagisan> slomo: beta3 of deng
[03:14] <Yagisan> slomo. I would be very happy if you could build it, and mail/dcc the .deb and the buildlog back
[03:20] <zakame> hmm, do I need to call ldconfig in a shlib package's postrm?
[03:22] <Mithrandir> shlib package?
[03:22] <Mithrandir> packages shipping libraries need to call ldconfig in the post{inst,rm}, yes.
[03:27] <\sh> ajmitch: send me your scripts dude :)
[03:32] <zakame> Mithrandir: okies, thanks :)  I'm packaging libmemcache...
[03:34] <Mithrandir> zakame: debhelper should give you that, though
[03:35] <zakame> Mithrandir: I'm not using debhelper, but Manoj's debian-dir :)
[03:37] <tseng> slomo: i am using mc all the time now that you started talking about it
[03:37] <zyga> oh right
[03:37] <zyga> slomo: I've found a bug in the utf8 handling
[03:37] <zyga> slomo: I still need to check where the bug originates but tips (at the bottom of the screen) are messed up
[03:38] <Yagisan> tseng: you never used it before ?
[03:38] <zyga> I recon bad .po file but that could be not the case
[03:38] <tseng> Yagisan: nope.
[03:38] <Yagisan> tseng: it's wonderful, I think it should go to main
[03:38] <tseng> it doesnt look so wonderful in screen
[03:38] <tseng> on this box
[03:39] <Yagisan> yeah, and on the linux console on my box it don't look so good either
[03:39] <Lathiat> yeh something with consoles makes lots of apps using those line drawing characters foobarred
[03:39] <Lathiat> i think its the font that set
[03:39] <Lathiat> the linux kernel stuff always messes up too
[03:39] <Lathiat> menuconfig, ncurses
[03:40] <slomo> tseng: hehe, any bugs found? :)
[03:40] <slomo> zyga: i'll take a look later
[03:40] <tseng> hm it just looks like crap in screen
[03:40] <tseng> it shows []  boxes instead of lines
[03:40] <tseng> you know what i mean
[03:40] <slomo> yes... was it like that before?
[03:40] <zyga> slomo: I'll have a look in a moment RL job bugs me ATM
[03:40] <tseng> i dont know
[03:40] <zyga> tseng: export TERM=linux
[03:41] <slomo> tseng: works in screen here... in an xterm
[03:41] <zyga> tseng: (before running mc)
[03:41] <tseng> zyga: no luck
[03:41] <slomo> tseng: in a vt?
[03:41] <tseng> actuall yi was already doing that
[03:41] <tseng> slomo: ssh
[03:41] <tseng> term        linux
[03:42] <tseng> my screen isnt set for utf8, thought
[03:42] <slomo> then that's probably the problem
[03:42] <tseng> testing
[03:43] <tseng> nope
[03:43] <slomo> can you please retest with 1:4.6.1-1?
[03:44] <tseng> eh it works
[03:44] <slomo> ok, then i broke it ;) hmm, give me hints how i can reproduce this
[03:44] <tseng> no you didnt :P
[03:50] <Lathiat> anyone know procmail to forward a mail to another address?
[03:50] <Lathiat> bounce style
[04:07] <slomo> zyga: can you give me a screenshot of your problem?
[04:07] <zyga> slomo: sure
[04:08] <slomo> zyga: thanks... maybe i've fixed this already with my next upload ;)
[04:08] <zyga> http://ubuntu.suxx.pl
[04:08] <zyga> slomo: check it out
[04:08] <slomo> yes... this is fixed ;)
[04:09] <slomo> are you on x86?
[04:09] <zyga> slomo: cool, what was the issue?
[04:09] <zyga> slomo: amongst others :)
[04:09] <slomo> the hints file was still not utf8
[04:09] <zyga> slomo: right
[04:09] <slomo> ok, i can send you a x86 deb when you want to test if it is really fixed ;)
[04:09] <zyga> slomo: sure
[04:09] <zyga> slomo: or wait
[04:10] <zyga> slomo: I'll fix that file and rebuild locally
[04:10] <slomo> zyga: but first i have to fix some other problems
[04:10] <jamessan|work> Lathiat: is that not what the ! action does?
[04:10] <slomo> zyga: iconv -f oldencoding -t UTF-8 mc.hint.pl > tmp && mv tmp mc.hint.pl should be enough
[04:10] <zyga> slomo: latin2-to-utf8 :-)
[04:10] <zyga> slomo: I've got some useful macros here :)
[04:11] <zyga> (latin2-to-ut8f is a symlinc to /usr/bin/transcode that analyzes it's name and performs the conversion)
[04:11] <slomo> transcode?!
[04:11] <zyga> slomo: I know, a name collision
[04:11] <zyga> slomo: it's my own script, I didn't know transcode was used back then
[04:12] <slomo> hehe ok, nm :)
[04:12] <zyga> s/it's/its/
[04:16] <zyga> slomo: that has fixed the problem :)
[04:16] <zyga> slomo: thanks
[04:21] <slomo> zyga: what is your locale?
[04:22] <zyga> slomo: pl_PL.UTF-8
[04:23] <slomo> zyga: ok, works with your locale here too... uploaded :)
[04:23] <zyga> slomo: cool, thanks :-)
[04:27] <slomo> zyga: np :)
[04:29] <lifeless> n/win 66
[04:42] <shawarma> Can someone on a laptop running on battery please run "hal-get-property --udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/acpi_BAT0 --key battery.remaining_time" for me? (If you unplug the power cord to do this, you have to wait more than 30 seconds for HAL to actually figure out that you've unplugged it)
[04:46] <shawarma> Anyone? please?
[04:46] <Lathiat> lathiat@qaplaH:~$ hal-get-property --udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/acpi_BAT0 --key battery.remaining_time
[04:46] <Lathiat> 15099
[04:46] <Lathiat> lathiat@qaplaH:~$ acpi
[04:46] <Lathiat>      Battery 1: discharging, 99%, 04:34:23 remaining
[04:47] <shawarma> Lathiat: Great. Thanks.
[04:47] <shawarma> Anyone else?
[04:47] <Lathiat> appears to be seconds
[04:47] <Lathiat> with the power in
[04:47] <Lathiat> the command fiails
[04:47] <Lathiat> no such property
[04:47] <Lathiat> fyi
[04:48] <shawarma> Lathiat: It is. I've just found a bug in HAL and I need to see if it's a general thing.
[04:48] <shawarma> Lathiat: right. I know.
[04:49] <shawarma> Lathiat: What about the battery.reporting.rate property?
[04:50] <Lathiat> 31122
[04:50] <Lathiat> plugged in
[04:50] <Lathiat> now 0
[04:52] <shawarma> Interesting.
[04:58] <shawarma> Lathiat: What does it read now?
[04:58] <shawarma> Lathiat: Does your battery really hold for 4 and a half hours?
[06:29] <Kyral> Anyone have time to answer a quick IPTables question?
[06:29] <slomo> sure
[06:29] <slomo> if i know the answer ;)
[06:30] <Kyral> I know that specifying "XXX.XXX.0.0/16" will allow conns from the XXX.XXX
[06:30] <Kyral> but how do I restrict it to XXX.XXX.XXX.0?
[06:30] <Kyral> do I put /8?
[06:31] <slomo> yes
[06:32] <Kyral> Okay. I'm trying to lock IPTables down to a certain block ;P
[06:32] <Kyral> I can lock in different rules for computers :D
[06:33] <Kyral> and if I just want a single IP I put ***.***.***.***?
[06:33] <slomo> yes
[06:33] <ajmitch> xxx.xxx.xxx.0 is /24, not /8
[06:34] <ajmitch> 24 bits in network portion
[06:35] <Kyral> so I put 24 if I want only computers from ***.***.*** to connect?
[06:35] <ajmitch> yes
[06:36] <Kyral> Now I need to learn how to specify a protocol (SSH, FTP, etc)
[06:38] <slomo> ajmitch: thanks for correcting me ;)
[06:38] <ivoks> hello
[06:40] <Kyral> oh I just use --dport <protocol>
[06:41] <ivoks> iptables?
[06:41] <Kyral> yah ;P
[06:42] <Kyral> Trying to lock down my computer as much as possible ;D
[06:42] <ivoks> it is by default
[06:42] <Kyral> Yah but I run SSH and whatnot
[06:43] <Kyral> so I'm restricting stuff basically to a few computer labs on campus
[06:43] <ajmitch> Kyral: limit what users can login via ssh as well
[06:44] <ajmitch> afternoon bradb
[06:44] <Kyral> ajmitch I'm the only one who ssh in :P
[06:44] <ajmitch> Kyral: so put that in the ssh config
[06:44] <Kyral> and my Hosts files only allow me in ;P
[06:45] <LaserJock> kinda stupid question but what's the difference between hosts.allow/hosts.deny and something like IPtables?
[06:45] <bradb> ajmitch: hey dude
[06:46] <Kyral> Accepting SSH and FTP from computer labs, check. Accepting current connections (until I figure out how to tune for AIM and IRC) check. Drop everything else, CHECK!
[06:50] <Kyral> well thats done :D
[06:50] <Kyral> Single user system with so many safeguards, Yep I'm paranoid ;P
[06:51] <Kyral> Anwyay back to class
[07:37] <selinium> Hi all, i was in here a few days ago, As a wannabe I have install pbuilder, sorted out my GPG key. Where do I go from here?
[07:56] <slomo> selinium: right now almost everybody is at UBZ ;) but you could do bugfixing... look at malone for some bugs you could fix... when you want something uploaded ping me
[07:57] <selinium> slomo: Oh yeah! That would be it! Forgot about UBZ... :) I am gonna need some mentoring at the outset so I will be back to bother people in a few days! :)
[07:59] <slomo> selinium: well, i have nothing to do atm :) if you have any questions feel free to ask me
[08:09] <selinium> slomo: ok Cheers
[09:06] <Kyral> who the hell ordered the rainstorm?
[09:08] <Kyral> Yah! Me happy! First package that I fixed got uploaded :D
[09:10] <Mez> got any more debdiffs you've fixed?
[09:10] <Mez> and are you whitelisted?
[09:11] <Kyral> "whitelisted"?
[09:11] <Mez> did you get an email from katie?
[09:12] <Kyral> Seeing as I don't know who that is, nope
[09:12] <Kyral> I'm still not a member :/
[09:12] <Mez> ok, well... fixed anything more recently
[09:12] <Kyral> I recall fixing a typo
[09:13] <Mez> Kyral: in vm ?
[09:13] <Kyral> Oyah >_<
[09:14] <Kyral> There was something else though
[09:14] <Mez> was it in vm ?
[09:14] <Kyral> nope
[09:15] <Kyral> Okay, I can't get to the MOTU buglist on Malone
[09:16] <Mez> https://launchpad.net/people/motu/+assignedbugs
[09:16] <Kyral> I know. Its just not loading for me
[09:20] <Kyral> Got it
[09:20] <Kyral> very minor thing
[09:20] <Kyral> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/phpldapadmin/+bug/3361
[09:23] <Kyral> I am suddenly reminded that i have to sign orga's GPG Key
[09:23] <Mez> Kyral: are you actually here?
[09:23] <ogra> Kyral, no hurry, i wont do that either before i got home
[09:23] <Mez> and why do you need to sign it?
[09:23] <Kyral> No, I'm back to Potsdam
[09:23] <Kyral> I was there for Love Day
[09:24] <Mez> ah
[09:25] <Kyral> ogra, okay. I'm really busy this week so I have to remember ;P
[09:25] <ogra> i'll remind you :)
[09:25] <Kyral> ty
[09:25] <Kyral> anyway Mez can you upload that debdiff?
[09:27] <Mez> you need to do it from ubuntu not sid
[09:27] <Kyral> ah
[09:27] <Kyral> the Sid version was upgraded ;P
[09:28] <Mez> use the breezy version :d
[09:28] <Kyral> okay
[09:28] <Kyral> dangit I need to use Breezy sources now
[09:29] <Kyral> Oh Mez, are you and JDong gonna need help with Backports this "season"?
[09:30] <Kyral> two Mez lol
[09:31] <Kyral> wb
[09:32] <Kyral> Didja get my last line?
[09:32] <Mez> dunno
[09:33] <Kyral> I was wondering if the Backports Team could use help this "season"?
[09:33] <Mez> er i dont know yet
[09:33] <Mez> but - we like people to be MOTU before backports
[09:33] <Kyral> okay
[09:39] <Kyral> thanks anyway
[09:39] <dholbach> can anybody ping me, if something important happens in the TB meeting?
[09:40] <dholbach> like ping me?
[09:42] <pef> dholbach: what is important for you ? ;)
[09:43] <dholbach> you guys :)
[09:43] <Kyral> lol
[09:43] <pef> :] 
[09:47] <Kyral> hey umm, does gnome-app-install have to depend on Firefox?
[10:08] <ajmitch> hello bmonty_laptop
[10:08] <bmonty_laptop> hey ajmitch
[10:12] <bmonty_laptop> ajmitch: am I too late for the meeting?>
[10:14] <ajmitch> congrats siretart :)
[10:14] <ajmitch> bmonty_laptop: ask quickly
[10:15] <opi> hi guys
[10:15] <siretart> thanks guys!
[10:15] <opi> just one question
[10:15] <opi> I'm building package off the Subversion trunk
[10:15] <opi> is there any way to let the package name end up with YYYYMMDD instead of version?
[10:16] <Kyral> what happened?
[10:17] <tseng> opi: please dont
[10:17] <tseng> opi: its irreversable
[10:17] <opi> tseng, even for my own use?
[10:17] <opi> tseng, how to deal with such pacakge
[10:17] <tseng> 0.1.2+svn20051021 is better
[10:18] <tseng> 0.1.3 actually replaces it
[10:18] <opi> uhm
[10:18] <opi> so
[10:18] <opi> I have to change it manually?
[10:18] <tseng> im not sure i understand
[10:18] <opi> I have a script that pulls trunk and packages it
[10:18] <tseng> not a debian dir?
[10:18] <opi> no, no
[10:19] <opi> I'm polling code
[10:19] <opi> then I dpkg-buildpackage
[10:19] <opi> +do
[10:19] <opi> but I'd like to not have change control file everytime just to change data string
[10:20] <ivoks> guys... i'm sorry, last few weeks i'm not so active in motu team
[10:20] <ivoks> i had so much work with loco team from croatia
[10:20] <ivoks> but as soon as it gets self substained, i'll get to work :/
[10:21] <tseng> im not sure what the control file has to do with the version
[10:21] <tseng> version in in the changelog
[10:21] <tseng> which should be changed every time
[10:21] <ivoks> tseng: right
[10:22] <opi> tseng, Um. Package name, then? :)
[10:22] <tseng> ivoks: for opi, but thanks but agreeing
[10:22] <tseng> opi: uh?
[10:22] <tseng> Package name != version
[10:22] <tseng> version is pulled from the changelog
[10:22] <tseng> and revision
[10:22] <ivoks> tseng: i know, i'm backing you up :)
[10:22] <tseng> google debian new maint
[10:23] <opi> Naa, have it in bookmarks
[10:23] <Kyral> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html
[10:23] <Kyral> So do I ;P
[10:23] <opi> Kyral, but I bet you've read it more carefully then I did ;))
[10:39] <dholbach> who worked with bmonty and pef... can you speak up in #ubuntu-meeting?
[10:41] <koke> w0w my karma has doubled since yesterday
[10:42] <bmonty_laptop> ajmitch: you still around?
[10:43] <tseng> =/
[10:44] <ivoks> :(
[10:44] <tseng> lameness
[10:45] <ivoks> bmonty_laptop: don't get discouraged
[10:45] <ivoks> bmonty_laptop: if you need help, i'm here often and have plenty of time
[10:45] <ivoks> bmonty_laptop: ask and i'll help you
[10:46] <slomo> bmonty_laptop: same here... when you want something uploaded just tell me :)
[10:46] <LaserJock> >:(
[10:47] <bmonty_laptop> thanks guys
[10:48] <LaserJock> maybe it is just a timezone thing?
[10:48] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[10:48] <bmonty_laptop> I wonder where \sh and ajmitch went
[10:48] <LaserJock> and bddebian
[10:48] <ivoks> bmonty_laptop: they worked with you?
[10:48] <ajmitch> very sorry, I was trying to do keysigning with \sh
[10:48] <bmonty_laptop> ivoks: yes
[10:48] <dholbach> bmonty_laptop: sorry... it's just that i saw you working hard with bddebian in those days, and i wasn't much around... so that's all i could say
[10:48] <Tonio_> does anyone know a "simple" way to switch between a breezy and a dapper configuration for pbuilder ?
[10:49] <bmonty_laptop> dholbach: no worries
[10:49] <dholbach> bmonty_laptop: as tseng and ivoks said: keep up the good work, we'll get you there :)
[10:49] <tseng> im a fan
[10:53] <marcin> hi guys
[10:53] <pef> dholbach Riddell thank you again for being present on meeting, I'm very proud to got promoted :] 
[10:54] <marcin> I know that it's not #ubuntu channel but there is no one that could help - so sorry but I'll try to get some help here
[10:54] <marcin> the thing is that I use pl_PL locales with UTF-8 encoding or iso-8859-3
[10:55] <marcin> s/iso-8859-3/iso-8859-2
[10:55] <marcin> and everything is ok on terminal, console and in gnome-terminal
[10:55] <marcin> but the problem is that in Xterm I don't have polish letters just empty spaces
[10:56] <crimsun> Tonio_: keep two different pbuilders each with its own config
[10:56] <Tonio_> dholbach: it appears that I missed this meeting too ;)
[10:56] <marcin> and my question is - what should I change in Xterm settings to get polish letter in xterm
[10:57] <dholbach> Tonio_: :-(
[10:57] <Tonio_> crimsun: thanks.... that's what I do today, but well, that's not very convenient ;)
[10:57] <Tonio_> dholbach: no pb that'll be okay for the next one :)
[10:57] <dholbach> yeah, you do that :)
[10:57] <Tonio_> dholbach: the most important thing is that I have many new packages to upload ;)
[10:57] <dholbach> :)))
[10:58] <dholbach> i'll be off for some minutes
[10:58] <dholbach> see you guys later
[10:58] <pef> dholbach: bye !
[10:59] <pef> have to go to bed, bye !
[11:08] <siretart> if anyone has some time left, please review https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU2Spec#preview
[11:10] <slomo> siretart: will do right now ;)
[11:12] <siretart> slomo: great
[11:12] <siretart> slomo: reviews will be in about an hour, I switched it to pending review in lp
[11:15] <LaserJock> siretart: looks pretty cool from a MOTU wannabe's (or contributor's ) perspective ;-)
[11:15] <siretart> LaserJock: thanks :)
[11:16] <LaserJock> siretart: is the current REVU at http://revu.tauware.de/ ?
[11:17] <LaserJock> or is that REVU2
[11:17] <slomo> siretart: what do you mean with " Overview of pages that need upload"?
[11:17] <slomo> siretart: s/pages/packages/?
[11:17] <LaserJock> slomo: isn't that like UniverseCandidates
[11:17] <siretart> gnarf. the intendention got broke :/
[11:20] <slomo> siretart: except this point and a cosmetical thing (look at the sentence with tiber... you mention two times that we run a prototype) it looks perfect to me ;)
[11:24] <siretart> slomo: I did some updates
[11:25] <siretart> again
[11:27] <slomo> ok *reload*
[11:29] <slomo> siretart: ok with me
[11:30] <LaserJock> siretart: how well is this going to work for bug fixing and other things for packages already in Ubuntu?
[11:30] <LaserJock> siretart: It seems more geared towards new packages
[11:31] <shawarma> siretart: Hey, just heard the news. Congrats!
[11:31] <slomo> LaserJock: imho not... it helps reviewing updates and new packages the same way ;) updates will even get a debdiff to what we currently have in the archives
[11:32] <LaserJock> siretart: could you maybe seperate the listing into new packages and packages already in Universe?
[11:32] <LaserJock> ^^@slomo too
[11:33] <slomo> LaserJock: it's already done in the prototype... updates are above the new packages
[11:33] <slomo> i believe it will be done the same for revu2
[11:33] <LaserJock> when I go to http://revu.tauware.de/  I don't see a version column, will that be available
[11:34] <slomo> LaserJock: new packages are the ones with the lamp before them
[11:34] <slomo> hub: are you there?
[11:34] <LaserJock> ohhhh, see it would be a cool thing to have a legend up top ;-)
[11:34] <slomo> LaserJock: yes ;) but for now... stay over the image and wait for the tooltip :P
[11:35] <LaserJock> ok, cool. much better. But what about a version column? I think that would be nice. Of course maybe it's not practical
[11:36] <slomo> hm, i don't really see the use of a version column
[11:37] <hub> slomo: here.
[11:37] <hub> slomo: at ubz
[11:37] <slomo> hub: about the avahi-discover bug... let's try to debug it :) do you have some time for that?
[11:37] <LaserJock> slomo: hm, how do you know if somebody has uploaded a new version of a package?
[11:38] <hub> slomo: sure. I was willing to offer
[11:38] <slomo> LaserJock: new as in new on revu? or new upstream?
[11:38] <LaserJock> slomo: both I think :-)
[11:38] <slomo> LaserJock: no idea ;) tell siretart about that
[11:38] <slomo> hub: ok, please run python in a terminal
[11:39] <slomo> hub: then do import os, sys
[11:39] <slomo> hub: and then tell me you've done all that ;)
[11:40] <slomo> hub: (works on my ibook FYI)
[11:40] <hub> slomo: weird
[11:40] <hub> let me try
[11:41] <slomo> hub: when this already breaks your python is broken ;) the interesting stuff comes after that import
[11:41] <hub> read
[11:41] <hub> ready
[11:41] <slomo> ok, now do import avahi
[11:41] <hub> ready
[11:41] <slomo> import gtk
[11:41] <hub> ready
[11:41] <slomo> import gobject
[11:41] <siretart> sorry, I'm quite busy speccing here
[11:42] <hub> ready
[11:42] <slomo> import dbus
[11:42] <hub> ready
[11:42] <slomo> import avahi.ServiceTypeDatabase
[11:43] <hub> Traceback (most recent call last):
[11:43] <hub>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
[11:43] <hub>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/avahi/ServiceTypeDatabase.py", line 22, in ?
[11:43] <hub>     import gdbm
[11:43] <hub> ImportError: No module named gdbm
[11:43] <hub> dependency problem?
[11:43] <slomo> yes
[11:43] <slomo> ok, fine
[11:44] <slomo> that's weird
[11:44] <slomo> please install python2.4-gdbm
[11:44] <slomo> and try to run avahi-discover afterwards again
[11:45] <hub> ajmitch said:
[11:45] <hub> apt-cache rdepends python-gdbm
[11:45] <hub> does not show avahi
[11:45] <hub> I don't have ubuntu-desktop
[11:45] <hub> that's why
[11:45] <slomo> yes... i expected that
[11:45] <slomo> python2.4-avahi is missing the dependency on python-gdbm
[11:45] <hub> yep
[11:46] <hub> looks like it
[11:46] <hub> hey herzi
[11:46] <slomo> hub: does it work after you installed it? just to be sure ;)
[11:46] <hub> slomo: installing now
[11:46] <herzi> hey hub
[11:46] <mindwarp> can I use the breezy debootstrap script for dapper?
[11:46] <slomo> hub: and ask ajmitch if we want to fix it or if i should tell ross about it and wait for him as 0.6 should be released soon ;)
[11:47] <slomo> mindwarp: the dapper debootstrap has a script for dapper ;) maybe get the debootstrap from dapper and install it by hand
[11:47] <hub> slomo: ajmitch will reply
[11:47] <ajmitch> slomo: just confirmed with hub, python-=gdbm is a dep of ubuntu-desktop
[11:47] <ajmitch> so most people haven't seen it
[11:47] <hub> pbuilder?
[11:47] <hub> :-)
[11:47] <slomo> ajmitch: yes
[11:47] <hub> ah no
[11:47] <hub> runtime
[11:48] <LaserJock> mindwarp: or you can probably just dist-upgrade your breezy chroot
[11:48] <ajmitch> slomo: so we can fix in dapper & tell ross about it
[11:48] <ajmitch> but that'll introduce a delta from debian
[11:48] <slomo> ajmitch: shall i fix it or shall we wait for ross to fix it? decreases number of to merge pacakges ;)
[11:48] <mindwarp> gotcha.  It just seems like pbuilder creates my chroot environment at runtime and I was looking for a static chroot
[11:48] <ajmitch> slomo: do we have an avahi delta already?
[11:48] <slomo> nope
[11:49] <slomo> i would say we wait for ross... isn't that critical right now
[11:49] <ajmitch> yyep
[11:49] <slomo> ok *mail sent*
[11:50] <slomo> btw, i sent him a patch to get a monodoc package earlier today ;)
[11:50] <ajmitch> great
[11:50] <LaserJock> siretart: ping?
[11:54] <slomo> ok, gn8 everybody :)
[11:55] <mindwarp> night
[11:55] <tseng> bye slomo