| signifer123 | there a way to stop them from isntalling stuff? | 12:04 |
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| signifer123 | installing* | 12:04 |
| bluefrog-10 | they can't install stuff as normal user | 12:04 |
| ogra | how where ? | 12:04 |
| signifer123 | anywhere | 12:05 |
| signifer123 | doing this so i can see if i can convince my school to move to linux | 12:05 |
| ogra | you cant stop them from compiling and installing stuff in ~/bin ... as you cant avoid that in other OS's | 12:05 |
| signifer123 | aww... | 12:05 |
| magnon | and stopping them from compiling and installing stuff in their own home dir is yet another limitation you wouldn't need | 12:05 |
| ogra | you can easily install firefox in your windows homedir, noboidy can prevent you | 12:05 |
| bluefrog-10 | yes but it will confined in their thing, won't mess witht the system | 12:05 |
| magnon | if anything goes wrong, you can delete their homedir and get up a backup | 12:06 |
| ogra | its not different in linux | 12:06 |
| signifer123 | there a way to keep them from having access to the hd at all? | 12:06 |
| magnon | you could of course limit how much memory and disk a user could consume | 12:06 |
| magnon | that's pretty easy. | 12:06 |
| signifer123 | they can just use the servers shared drive only | 12:06 |
| magnon | signifer123: then they wouldn't be able to read the freaking programs | 12:07 |
| signifer123 | jsut set everything to 555? | 12:07 |
| magnon | ugh | 12:07 |
| ogra | sure, you can set up nfs homedirs ... | 12:07 |
| magnon | just leave /usr as it is and all that | 12:07 |
| ogra | wont work | 12:07 |
| signifer123 | 755 | 12:07 |
| signifer123 | :- | 12:07 |
| signifer123 | p | 12:07 |
| ogra | the apps need to be able to access settings to run | 12:07 |
| ogra | 755 is possible, indeed | 12:07 |
| magnon | but very ugly | 12:07 |
| signifer123 | agh.... | 12:08 |
| magnon | why would this be a problem, anyway? | 12:08 |
| signifer123 | well then i'll have to do alot befroe i'll be able ot convince them to goto linux :-p | 12:08 |
| magnon | students aren't inherently evil | 12:08 |
| signifer123 | school thinks so | 12:08 |
| magnon | they _should_ have access to use their system to learn and all | 12:08 |
| magnon | school is silly then | 12:08 |
| signifer123 | all they need it for is internet and ofice apps | 12:08 |
| signifer123 | office* | 12:08 |
| magnon | sure, you could limit everything with SELinux, but that's a LOT of work :P | 12:09 |
| magnon | just don't install anything else, then | 12:09 |
| signifer123 | but then you have to keep them from installing stuff, ohh and gnome | 12:10 |
| signifer123 | it uses gnome right? | 12:10 |
| signifer123 | :-P | 12:10 |
| signifer123 | i would psot this but couldn't find na edubuntu forum | 12:12 |
| magnon | there's a mailing list | 12:13 |
| magnon | what's the issue with gnome? | 12:13 |
| magnon | you could use kubuntu with edubuntu as well | 12:14 |
| magnon | and possibly the later xubuntu | 12:14 |
| signifer123 | ohh can i keep them from accessing the system aprt of the menu? | 12:16 |
| corey_ | for dapper, that will be hidden for non-admin users | 12:16 |
| corey_ | s/that/the system menu | 12:16 |
| magnon | well, they can't _use_ anything in the system menu without being an admin | 12:16 |
| magnon | so it's just silly to have it there... but it doesn't hurt | 12:16 |
| corey_ | yes, they can use the preferences menu | 12:17 |
| magnon | that's personal :) | 12:17 |
| magnon | I think they should be able to | 12:17 |
| magnon | signifer123: what about trying to find reasons why things working as it is, does not hurt, and give that to the teachers instead? | 12:18 |
| signifer123 | on windows? | 12:19 |
| magnon | a computer is no good as a tool if you completely limit the toolchain :-/ | 12:19 |
| magnon | no, on edubuntu | 12:19 |
| signifer123 | itso n windows and i want ot convince the trade over... | 12:19 |
| magnon | right | 12:19 |
| magnon | but they want a bunch of security, it seems | 12:19 |
| signifer123 | yeah... | 12:19 |
| magnon | convince them that it's not needed, since it isn't | 12:19 |
| magnon | and explain why. | 12:19 |
| magnon | should work nicely | 12:19 |
| signifer123 | well...probably not | 12:20 |
| magnon | you could also show the plans for edubuntu which aren't implemented yet, there's a bunch of plans in http://www.edubuntu.org | 12:20 |
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| magnon | why not? if they already set their minds on that, but still asking you, why ask you at all? | 12:20 |
| bluefrog-10 | the best thing is to prepare your plan and do a demo | 12:20 |
| magnon | also | 12:20 |
| magnon | as Jeff so nicely says | 12:21 |
| signifer123 | i ahvn't set theri minds on linux | 12:21 |
| magnon | show the benefits rather than anything else :-) | 12:21 |
| signifer123 | so far the only reason i could convince them si because everything they have done to the windows to restrict us i can show them a way around | 12:21 |
| bluefrog-10 | do u have windows thin client on a terminal server or thick clients? | 12:22 |
| signifer123 | we run windows 200 on middle line 1 year old dell | 12:22 |
| signifer123 | 2000 | 12:23 |
| signifer123 | with login novell netware | 12:23 |
| signifer123 | shared in our county | 12:23 |
| bluefrog-10 | meaning all clients are windows installed, correct? | 12:23 |
| signifer123 | except the server | 12:23 |
| signifer123 | i think its solaris | 12:24 |
| signifer123 | never checked | 12:24 |
| signifer123 | lol | 12:24 |
| signifer123 | whoops | 12:24 |
| signifer123 | yes | 12:24 |
| magnon | wow, you're in for saving big money then ;) | 12:24 |
| signifer123 | lol | 12:24 |
| signifer123 | i'm sure the IT staff will be happy to hear they have to learn linux :-P | 12:25 |
| signifer123 | thats gonna be hard to beat | 12:25 |
| signifer123 | ... | 12:25 |
| magnon | they should be happy to learn! | 12:25 |
| magnon | :D | 12:25 |
| bluefrog-10 | don't tell them they are going to learn linux but.. | 12:26 |
| signifer123 | yeh but the county has to spend $$$ on teaching them | 12:26 |
| magnon | as I said, long term investment | 12:26 |
| magnon | since you have next to no licensing costs | 12:26 |
| magnon | none if you choose not to have support | 12:26 |
| bluefrog-10 | they will have more time by changing a network card that has failed rather than reinstalling windows.. | 12:26 |
| magnon | true | 12:26 |
| magnon | maybe they can even lay off one :P | 12:27 |
| signifer123 | and convince them that they bought the office 2002 lisences for nothing becuase we are switching to OO | 12:27 |
| magnon | return them | 12:28 |
| magnon | :D | 12:28 |
| signifer123 | i'm sure MS will be happy to refund us becuase we are switching to linux :-P | 12:28 |
| bluefrog-10 | don't talk to them about money they lost if u are not prepared to show them how much they are going to save | 12:28 |
| bluefrog-10 | even in high schools downtime can be transposed in money | 12:29 |
| signifer123 | k | 12:29 |
| signifer123 | gotta start on slideshow :-p | 12:29 |
| bluefrog-10 | and live demo | 12:30 |
| signifer123 | of course | 12:30 |
| signifer123 | whats the min reqs? | 12:30 |
| signifer123 | becuase we have old gateways runnign windows 98 laying off somewhere in the costodial hall | 12:30 |
| signifer123 | not being used | 12:31 |
| magnon | for thin clients or thick? | 12:31 |
| signifer123 | whatever would work for a live demo | 12:31 |
| magnon | oh | 12:31 |
| magnon | you should have a machine that works well then | 12:31 |
| magnon | don't you have a laptop you could use? | 12:32 |
| bluefrog-10 | to make a demo, server with 256 ram is enough.. | 12:32 |
| signifer123 | lemem grab my home pc and drag it up to central office :-P | 12:32 |
| signifer123 | 256 megs? | 12:32 |
| signifer123 | those have like 16 emgs of ram | 12:32 |
| magnon | ehm | 12:32 |
| bluefrog-10 | well one must be serious at least | 12:32 |
| magnon | edubuntu might be lighter than windows, but it's not anno 1984 | 12:32 |
| signifer123 | lol | 12:33 |
| bluefrog-10 | u don't show how good is ferrari if it has only 3 wheels | 12:33 |
| signifer123 | LOL | 12:33 |
| magnon | 16 megs isn't even enough for a thin client | 12:33 |
| signifer123 | 32? | 12:33 |
| magnon | 32 is good for a thin client | 12:33 |
| signifer123 | well i could pop in a 96 meg if they let me take it home | 12:33 |
| signifer123 | making 128 megs | 12:33 |
| magnon | this is for the thin though | 12:33 |
| magnon | you need a server as well | 12:34 |
| bluefrog-10 | 32 for clients would be good but beware, they only want office and internet but during the show they will want to see other applications, that u can be sure of | 12:34 |
| signifer123 | well i'm sure they'll keep solaris on the server | 12:34 |
| magnon | some kind of machine which doesn't suck would do | 12:34 |
| signifer123 | thin client has gnome? | 12:34 |
| magnon | and the solaris one is probably a different arch | 12:34 |
| signifer123 | well the server is only for novell netware... | 12:35 |
| magnon | get another machine then | 12:35 |
| magnon | steal a desktop | 12:35 |
| signifer123 | lol | 12:35 |
| magnon | if they want you to do a demo they better give you resources | 12:35 |
| signifer123 | idk if i wait like 4 months i'll get my dad s old comp | 12:35 |
| bluefrog-10 | set up your machine in no other solution | 12:35 |
| signifer123 | and edubuntu might get a better release by then | 12:35 |
| magnon | there's no more edubuntu releases in six months | 12:36 |
| magnon | http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | 12:36 |
| magnon | read around for the concept of thin clients | 12:36 |
| signifer123 | the thing is i havn't even convinced them to do a demo | 12:36 |
| magnon | oh | 12:36 |
| magnon | then you're ahead of yourselves | 12:37 |
| signifer123 | well i can convince the head of my school easy | 12:37 |
| bluefrog-10 | u have to know what they want to do not what they don't want to do and propose a plan accordingly | 12:37 |
| signifer123 | yeah but first i have to catch their interest | 12:37 |
| bluefrog-10 | just try not to bypass the IT guys | 12:37 |
| bluefrog-10 | u would end up in a one way street | 12:38 |
| bluefrog-10 | sry a dead end street | 12:38 |
| signifer123 | lol, i already annoyed thme my first yer here... | 12:38 |
| signifer123 | year* | 12:38 |
| signifer123 | them* | 12:38 |
| signifer123 | think they forgot about it by now | 12:38 |
| bluefrog-10 | not the good thing to do if you want to convince them | 12:38 |
| signifer123 | well you see i know a few others who want ot get linux on machines | 12:39 |
| signifer123 | so i can have them propose it | 12:39 |
| signifer123 | EdubuntuLite on this cd too? | 12:39 |
| bluefrog-10 | so make a demo with your guys in a club thing or whatever and incidentally invite the IT guys to come and give advice | 12:40 |
| bluefrog-10 | even if they don't anything about linux | 12:40 |
| signifer123 | lol | 12:40 |
| bluefrog-10 | don't ask them for advice they can't give of course | 12:41 |
| signifer123 | crap | 12:41 |
| signifer123 | theres alot of them | 12:41 |
| signifer123 | http://carrollk12.org/admin/techservices/staffext.htm | 12:41 |
| signifer123 | snap | 12:43 |
| signifer123 | Insure that appropriate steps are taken to comply with the Federal No Child Left Behind Act. | 12:43 |
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| signifer123 | that might slow down the use of linux | 12:43 |
| bluefrog-10 | how come? | 12:43 |
| signifer123 | well fi they have no clue on how ot use it its a bit hard to keep up | 12:44 |
| signifer123 | if | 12:44 |
| signifer123 | it have rc client? | 12:45 |
| bluefrog-10 | well if they manage servers they are capable to mange linux, u should stop take them for absolute idiots.. | 12:45 |
| signifer123 | i mean the teachers | 12:46 |
| bluefrog-10 | time for bed bye | 12:47 |
| signifer123 | well off ot soccer | 12:48 |
| signifer123 | cya guyz | 12:48 |
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| signifer123 | hey | 02:11 |
| arkan0x | mh | 02:45 |
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| dabaR | hi. | 04:23 |
| dabaR | The link on the www.ubuntu.com page for the wiki(on the top) points to a dead URL. | 04:23 |
| dabaR | namely, www.ubuntu.com/wiki, instead of wiki.ubuntu.com | 04:23 |
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| signifer123 | you guys know it still says ubuntu config? | 11:42 |
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| pips1 | highvoltage, ping | 12:53 |
| highvoltage | pips1: pong | 12:56 |
| pips1 | hi | 12:57 |
| highvoltage | hi there. | 12:58 |
| pips1 | are we having a meeting now? | 12:58 |
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| mhz | morning you all | 12:59 |
| highvoltage | pips1: i'm not sure. we're supposed to | 12:59 |
| highvoltage | hi mhz | 12:59 |
| mhz | hi, Mr. Voltage | 01:00 |
| highvoltage | pips1: but i think it might have been postponed due to UBZ | 01:00 |
| highvoltage | JaneW isn't connected it seems | 01:00 |
| pips1 | well, on http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event it says the next edubuntu meeting is only nov 16th | 01:01 |
| pips1 | hi mhz | 01:01 |
| mhz | highvoltage: pips1 | 01:02 |
| pips1 | highvoltage, should we discuss things without JaneW or do you want to wait? | 01:04 |
| pips1 | do you expect anyone else? | 01:04 |
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| mhz | pips1: sorry, what is the discuss. about? | 01:06 |
| pips1 | mhz: edubuntu website | 01:08 |
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| highvoltage | sorry, lost my signal a bit there. | 01:09 |
| highvoltage | pips1: still here? | 01:09 |
| pips1 | yep | 01:09 |
| mhz | pips1: what about it? | 01:09 |
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| mhz | pips1: BTW, you've been testing edubuntu? if so, any place I could read about the machines, net, etc you've used? | 01:10 |
| pips1 | mhz, highvoltage wants to get the web team going, I think... ask him! :-) | 01:10 |
| mhz | highvoltage: count on me? is it moin we're talking? (I love moin, i think we're not fully using its potential) | 01:11 |
| highvoltage | ok, seems like my connection is fine again. | 01:11 |
| highvoltage | let's move this discussion to #ubuntu-meeting, that way it gets logged in the right place | 01:12 |
| highvoltage | edoo: announce meeting in #ubuntu-devel, now! | 01:12 |
| pips1 | ubuntu-devel or ubuntu-meeting ? | 01:13 |
| highvoltage | sorry, i'm being silly. ubuntu-meeting | 01:13 |
| pips1 | ok, i'm there :-) | 01:14 |
| highvoltage | mhz: can you also join #ubuntu-meeting? | 01:14 |
| highvoltage | cool, let's start | 01:14 |
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| pips1 | jsgotangco, will you join us at #ubuntu-meeting ? | 01:21 |
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| pips1 | hello | 02:09 |
| mhz | back | 02:10 |
| mhz | hno73: sorry, what do you need? | 02:11 |
| pips1 | mhz, i think everyone is now at #ubuntu-doc but not sure | 02:11 |
| mhz | oh... | 02:11 |
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| pips1 | hi ogra | 03:02 |
| ogra | moin | 03:02 |
| pips1 | exactly :-) | 03:02 |
| pips1 | are you aware of the ubuntu website troubles? | 03:03 |
| pips1 | apparently the plone site "imploded" | 03:04 |
| pips1 | exploded, whatever | 03:04 |
| jsgotangco | chaos! true and pure! | 03:05 |
| pips1 | jsgotangco, oh yeah! | 03:05 |
| pips1 | jsgotangco, it's a bit over my head, to be honest!! | 03:06 |
| jsgotangco | pips1: its ok we're just moving from A to B really | 03:06 |
| pips1 | the server is so painfully slow, though | 03:07 |
| pips1 | :-/ | 03:07 |
| ogra | didnt hear anything | 03:08 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: sure | 03:08 |
| jsgotangco | enjoy the blizzard of montreal | 03:08 |
| jsgotangco | hno73: do you use an eye tracker? | 03:09 |
| hno73 | jsgotangco: no, a stck :) | 03:10 |
| hno73 | stick | 03:10 |
| jsgotangco | with an on screen keyboard? | 03:10 |
| hno73 | possibly the best mouthstick in the world :) | 03:10 |
| hno73 | on a keyboard | 03:10 |
| jsgotangco | i can't visualize it | 03:11 |
| jsgotangco | im trying dasher and other apps | 03:11 |
| mhz_gettin_ready | hno73: did you see my corections at -doc? | 03:15 |
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| mhz_gettin_ready | hi JaneW | 03:29 |
| mhz_gettin_ready | JaneW: did you solve your 'inbox' issue? | 03:29 |
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| pips1_food | highvoltage, http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSiteOfficialContent | 07:54 |
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| highvoltage | pips1: very, very nice! | 07:56 |
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| symbulos | is juliux aroun? | 07:58 |
| juliux | yes | 07:58 |
| juliux | how can i help you? | 07:58 |
| symbulos | hi, do you remember our discussion about edubuntu? | 07:59 |
| juliux | yes a little bit | 07:59 |
| symbulos | I would be really grateful if you coud burn the DVD and send it. I pay for everyting. I go a look around but withut good results. | 08:00 |
| juliux | symbulos, ok i can do that | 08:00 |
| juliux | symbulos, how much dvds you need? | 08:01 |
| juliux | symbulos, can you send me a mail at juliux@ubuntu-de.org | 08:01 |
| symbulos | just one, then I can duplicate easily | 08:01 |
| symbulos | yes of course | 08:01 |
| symbulos | wait | 08:01 |
| juliux | ok | 08:01 |
| symbulos | just sent, let me know if you receive it. We should be soon able to have an office not far with broadband and everything, but we have a demo on the 18, we would like to have a copy and test before then. | 08:05 |
| juliux | ok i will brun the cd today and i can bring it tommor to the post office | 08:05 |
| juliux | s/cd/dvd | 08:05 |
| symbulos | s/cd/dvd:-) | 08:08 |
| symbulos | thanks, let me know how much do I have to send you, can do transfer from Deutsche Bank through friend | 08:08 |
| symbulos | have you had a go with it on laptops? | 08:11 |
| symbulos | we were thinking of using trying it on FS Amilo D. | 08:12 |
| pips1 | highvoltage, ah you are still around! | 08:13 |
| pips1 | highvoltage, I just sent you an email... | 08:14 |
| pips1 | highvoltage, anyway I need to go now... talk to you later! bye! | 08:17 |
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| symbulos | juliux: i have to go. Thank you for DVD! | 08:19 |
| symbulos | bye | 08:20 |
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| juliux | are the edubuntu and the breezy dvd the some? | 09:02 |
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| signifer123 | hello | 09:03 |
| juliux | hi signifer123 | 09:03 |
| juliux | ogra, are the edubuntu and the breezy dvds the same? | 09:04 |
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| smykes | guys I cant connect to a SMB share on a 2000 machine :/ | 09:23 |
| bluefrog-10 | yes | 09:25 |
| bluefrog-10 | try places > network servers | 09:25 |
| bluefrog-10 | oh sry i read can i | 09:26 |
| smykes | im trying to log in but its attaching @ubuntu to any user name | 09:27 |
| bluefrog-10 | no way to erase it after it's attached? | 09:27 |
| smykes | no it just tells me You must log in to access student@UBUNTU domain BLAH | 09:27 |
| smykes | I just need it to be student | 09:28 |
| smykes | im changing the host name | 09:28 |
| smykes | maybe that will work | 09:28 |
| smykes | brb | 09:28 |
| bluefrog-10 | from linux into windows or reverse? | 09:28 |
| smykes | linux to windows | 09:29 |
| smykes | waiting for it to shut down | 09:30 |
| smykes | everything seems fucked up | 09:30 |
| smykes | hard reboot :( | 09:30 |
| ogra | juliux, indeed they are not :0 | 09:38 |
| ogra | juliux, the edubuntu DVD contains the edubuntu CD plus all of main | 09:38 |
| juliux | ogra, i see, but the name of the iso is also breey | 09:39 |
| ogra | the ubuntu DVD contains the ubuntu CD plus all of main | 09:39 |
| ogra | sure, they are the breezy release | 09:39 |
| juliux | ogra, but the filenames are the same | 09:39 |
| ogra | kubuntu is called breezy too | 09:39 |
| juliux | oh not good | 09:39 |
| juliux | ogra, and do you have a short german text about edubuntu ? | 09:42 |
| ogra | not yet... i have an english presentation... i'll put it online somewhere... | 09:42 |
| ogra | sorry, in a meeting currently, cant talk... | 09:42 |
| juliux | ok | 09:42 |
| juliux | ogra, link? | 09:42 |
| ogra | i'll give it to you if its up | 09:43 |
| juliux | ogra, i have somebody who will translate it into german | 09:43 |
| signifer123 | got it working yet? | 09:48 |
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