[12:04] there a way to stop them from isntalling stuff? [12:04] installing* [12:04] they can't install stuff as normal user [12:04] how where ? [12:05] anywhere [12:05] doing this so i can see if i can convince my school to move to linux [12:05] you cant stop them from compiling and installing stuff in ~/bin ... as you cant avoid that in other OS's [12:05] aww... [12:05] and stopping them from compiling and installing stuff in their own home dir is yet another limitation you wouldn't need [12:05] you can easily install firefox in your windows homedir, noboidy can prevent you [12:05] yes but it will confined in their thing, won't mess witht the system [12:06] if anything goes wrong, you can delete their homedir and get up a backup [12:06] its not different in linux [12:06] there a way to keep them from having access to the hd at all? [12:06] you could of course limit how much memory and disk a user could consume [12:06] that's pretty easy. [12:06] they can just use the servers shared drive only [12:07] signifer123: then they wouldn't be able to read the freaking programs [12:07] jsut set everything to 555? [12:07] ugh [12:07] sure, you can set up nfs homedirs ... [12:07] just leave /usr as it is and all that [12:07] wont work [12:07] 755 [12:07] :- [12:07] p [12:07] the apps need to be able to access settings to run [12:07] 755 is possible, indeed [12:07] but very ugly [12:08] agh.... [12:08] why would this be a problem, anyway? [12:08] well then i'll have to do alot befroe i'll be able ot convince them to goto linux :-p [12:08] students aren't inherently evil [12:08] school thinks so [12:08] they _should_ have access to use their system to learn and all [12:08] school is silly then [12:08] all they need it for is internet and ofice apps [12:08] office* [12:09] sure, you could limit everything with SELinux, but that's a LOT of work :P [12:09] just don't install anything else, then [12:10] but then you have to keep them from installing stuff, ohh and gnome [12:10] it uses gnome right? [12:10] :-P [12:12] i would psot this but couldn't find na edubuntu forum [12:13] there's a mailing list [12:13] what's the issue with gnome? [12:14] you could use kubuntu with edubuntu as well [12:14] and possibly the later xubuntu [12:16] ohh can i keep them from accessing the system aprt of the menu? [12:16] for dapper, that will be hidden for non-admin users [12:16] s/that/the system menu [12:16] well, they can't _use_ anything in the system menu without being an admin [12:16] so it's just silly to have it there... but it doesn't hurt [12:17] yes, they can use the preferences menu [12:17] that's personal :) [12:17] I think they should be able to [12:18] signifer123: what about trying to find reasons why things working as it is, does not hurt, and give that to the teachers instead? [12:19] on windows? [12:19] a computer is no good as a tool if you completely limit the toolchain :-/ [12:19] no, on edubuntu [12:19] itso n windows and i want ot convince the trade over... [12:19] right [12:19] but they want a bunch of security, it seems [12:19] yeah... [12:19] convince them that it's not needed, since it isn't [12:19] and explain why. [12:19] should work nicely [12:20] well...probably not [12:20] you could also show the plans for edubuntu which aren't implemented yet, there's a bunch of plans in http://www.edubuntu.org === JaneW [n=JaneW@209.104.102.193] has joined #edubuntu [12:20] why not? if they already set their minds on that, but still asking you, why ask you at all? [12:20] the best thing is to prepare your plan and do a demo [12:20] also [12:21] as Jeff so nicely says [12:21] i ahvn't set theri minds on linux [12:21] show the benefits rather than anything else :-) [12:21] so far the only reason i could convince them si because everything they have done to the windows to restrict us i can show them a way around [12:22] do u have windows thin client on a terminal server or thick clients? [12:22] we run windows 200 on middle line 1 year old dell [12:23] 2000 [12:23] with login novell netware [12:23] shared in our county [12:23] meaning all clients are windows installed, correct? [12:23] except the server [12:24] i think its solaris [12:24] never checked [12:24] lol [12:24] whoops [12:24] yes [12:24] wow, you're in for saving big money then ;) [12:24] lol [12:25] i'm sure the IT staff will be happy to hear they have to learn linux :-P [12:25] thats gonna be hard to beat [12:25] ... [12:25] they should be happy to learn! [12:25] :D [12:26] don't tell them they are going to learn linux but.. [12:26] yeh but the county has to spend $$$ on teaching them [12:26] as I said, long term investment [12:26] since you have next to no licensing costs [12:26] none if you choose not to have support [12:26] they will have more time by changing a network card that has failed rather than reinstalling windows.. [12:26] true [12:27] maybe they can even lay off one :P [12:27] and convince them that they bought the office 2002 lisences for nothing becuase we are switching to OO [12:28] return them [12:28] :D [12:28] i'm sure MS will be happy to refund us becuase we are switching to linux :-P [12:28] don't talk to them about money they lost if u are not prepared to show them how much they are going to save [12:29] even in high schools downtime can be transposed in money [12:29] k [12:29] gotta start on slideshow :-p [12:30] and live demo [12:30] of course [12:30] whats the min reqs? [12:30] becuase we have old gateways runnign windows 98 laying off somewhere in the costodial hall [12:31] not being used [12:31] for thin clients or thick? [12:31] whatever would work for a live demo [12:31] oh [12:31] you should have a machine that works well then [12:32] don't you have a laptop you could use? [12:32] to make a demo, server with 256 ram is enough.. [12:32] lemem grab my home pc and drag it up to central office :-P [12:32] 256 megs? [12:32] those have like 16 emgs of ram [12:32] ehm [12:32] well one must be serious at least [12:32] edubuntu might be lighter than windows, but it's not anno 1984 [12:33] lol [12:33] u don't show how good is ferrari if it has only 3 wheels [12:33] LOL [12:33] 16 megs isn't even enough for a thin client [12:33] 32? [12:33] 32 is good for a thin client [12:33] well i could pop in a 96 meg if they let me take it home [12:33] making 128 megs [12:33] this is for the thin though [12:34] you need a server as well [12:34] 32 for clients would be good but beware, they only want office and internet but during the show they will want to see other applications, that u can be sure of [12:34] well i'm sure they'll keep solaris on the server [12:34] some kind of machine which doesn't suck would do [12:34] thin client has gnome? [12:34] and the solaris one is probably a different arch [12:35] well the server is only for novell netware... [12:35] get another machine then [12:35] steal a desktop [12:35] lol [12:35] if they want you to do a demo they better give you resources [12:35] idk if i wait like 4 months i'll get my dad s old comp [12:35] set up your machine in no other solution [12:35] and edubuntu might get a better release by then [12:36] there's no more edubuntu releases in six months [12:36] http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki [12:36] read around for the concept of thin clients [12:36] the thing is i havn't even convinced them to do a demo [12:36] oh [12:37] then you're ahead of yourselves [12:37] well i can convince the head of my school easy [12:37] u have to know what they want to do not what they don't want to do and propose a plan accordingly [12:37] yeah but first i have to catch their interest [12:37] just try not to bypass the IT guys [12:38] u would end up in a one way street [12:38] sry a dead end street [12:38] lol, i already annoyed thme my first yer here... [12:38] year* [12:38] them* [12:38] think they forgot about it by now [12:38] not the good thing to do if you want to convince them [12:39] well you see i know a few others who want ot get linux on machines [12:39] so i can have them propose it [12:39] EdubuntuLite on this cd too? [12:40] so make a demo with your guys in a club thing or whatever and incidentally invite the IT guys to come and give advice [12:40] even if they don't anything about linux [12:40] lol [12:41] don't ask them for advice they can't give of course [12:41] crap [12:41] theres alot of them [12:41] http://carrollk12.org/admin/techservices/staffext.htm [12:43] snap [12:43] Insure that appropriate steps are taken to comply with the Federal No Child Left Behind Act. === arkanox_ [n=arkan0x@pc-243-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:43] that might slow down the use of linux [12:43] how come? [12:44] well fi they have no clue on how ot use it its a bit hard to keep up [12:44] if [12:45] it have rc client? [12:45] well if they manage servers they are capable to mange linux, u should stop take them for absolute idiots.. [12:46] i mean the teachers [12:47] time for bed bye [12:48] well off ot soccer [12:48] cya guyz === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-243-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === smi|e [n=smi|e@unaffiliated/smile] has joined #edubuntu === smi|e [n=smi|e@unaffiliated/smile] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.9.179] has joined #edubuntu === farruinn [n=nathan@cpe-69-201-10-115.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === \sh is now known as \sh_away === magnon [n=co@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #edubuntu === smi|e [n=smi|e@unaffiliated/smile] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-243-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === signifer123 [n=michael@pool-70-16-12-170.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:11] hey [02:45] mh === zakame [n=user@210.5.86.43] has joined #edubuntu === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.211.170.202] has joined #edubuntu === dabaR [n=dabaR@wnpgmb02dc1-148-148.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:23] hi. [04:23] The link on the www.ubuntu.com page for the wiki(on the top) points to a dead URL. [04:23] namely, www.ubuntu.com/wiki, instead of wiki.ubuntu.com === smi|e [n=smi|e@unaffiliated/smile] has joined #edubuntu === magnon [n=co@66.103.220.225] has joined #edubuntu === \sh_away is now known as \sh === corey_ [n=corey@66.103.220.243] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.9.179] has joined #edubuntu === \sh is now known as \sh_away === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === corey_ [n=corey@66.103.220.243] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@210.213.70.253] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@141.30.211.85] has joined #edubuntu === th1a [n=hoffman@pool-64-222-41-227.prov.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@141.30.49.5] has joined #edubuntu === sven-tek [n=sven-tek@p508E68C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@141.30.49.5] has joined #edubuntu === signifer123 [n=michael@pool-70-16-12-170.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === pere_gone is now known as pere === bluefrog-10 [n=James@81.56.254.229] has joined #edubuntu [11:42] you guys know it still says ubuntu config? === signifer123 [n=michael@pool-70-16-12-170.balt.east.verizon.net] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === signifer123 [n=michael@pool-70-16-12-170.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === drakeoutlaw [n=ssaigol@203.81.222.177] has joined #edubuntu === drakeoutlaw [n=ssaigol@203.81.222.177] has left #edubuntu [] === \sh_away is now known as \sh === pips1 [n=philipp@223.58.202.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #edubuntu [12:53] highvoltage, ping [12:56] pips1: pong [12:57] hi [12:58] hi there. [12:58] are we having a meeting now? === mhz [n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #edubuntu [12:59] morning you all [12:59] pips1: i'm not sure. we're supposed to [12:59] hi mhz [01:00] hi, Mr. Voltage [01:00] pips1: but i think it might have been postponed due to UBZ [01:00] JaneW isn't connected it seems [01:01] well, on http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event it says the next edubuntu meeting is only nov 16th [01:01] hi mhz [01:02] highvoltage: pips1 [01:04] highvoltage, should we discuss things without JaneW or do you want to wait? [01:04] do you expect anyone else? === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [01:06] pips1: sorry, what is the discuss. about? [01:08] mhz: edubuntu website === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [01:09] sorry, lost my signal a bit there. [01:09] pips1: still here? [01:09] yep [01:09] pips1: what about it? === \sh is now known as \sh_away [01:10] pips1: BTW, you've been testing edubuntu? if so, any place I could read about the machines, net, etc you've used? [01:10] mhz, highvoltage wants to get the web team going, I think... ask him! :-) [01:11] highvoltage: count on me? is it moin we're talking? (I love moin, i think we're not fully using its potential) [01:11] ok, seems like my connection is fine again. [01:12] let's move this discussion to #ubuntu-meeting, that way it gets logged in the right place [01:12] edoo: announce meeting in #ubuntu-devel, now! [01:13] ubuntu-devel or ubuntu-meeting ? [01:13] sorry, i'm being silly. ubuntu-meeting [01:14] ok, i'm there :-) [01:14] mhz: can you also join #ubuntu-meeting? [01:14] cool, let's start === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [01:21] jsgotangco, will you join us at #ubuntu-meeting ? === crimsun [i=crimsun@hacked.org] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === bluefrog-10 [n=James@81.56.254.229] has joined #edubuntu === \sh_away is now known as \sh === hno73 [n=Henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [02:09] hello [02:10] back [02:11] hno73: sorry, what do you need? [02:11] mhz, i think everyone is now at #ubuntu-doc but not sure [02:11] oh... === ajmitch__ [n=ajmitch@port161-157.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #edubuntu === mhz is now known as mhz_getting_read === mhz_getting_read is now known as mhz_gettin_ready === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [03:02] hi ogra [03:02] moin [03:02] exactly :-) [03:03] are you aware of the ubuntu website troubles? [03:04] apparently the plone site "imploded" [03:04] exploded, whatever [03:05] chaos! true and pure! [03:05] jsgotangco, oh yeah! [03:06] jsgotangco, it's a bit over my head, to be honest!! [03:06] pips1: its ok we're just moving from A to B really [03:07] the server is so painfully slow, though [03:07] :-/ [03:08] didnt hear anything [03:08] ogra: sure [03:08] enjoy the blizzard of montreal [03:09] hno73: do you use an eye tracker? [03:10] jsgotangco: no, a stck :) [03:10] stick [03:10] with an on screen keyboard? [03:10] possibly the best mouthstick in the world :) [03:10] on a keyboard [03:11] i can't visualize it [03:11] im trying dasher and other apps [03:15] hno73: did you see my corections at -doc? === JaneW [n=JaneW@66.103.220.167] has joined #edubuntu [03:29] hi JaneW [03:29] JaneW: did you solve your 'inbox' issue? === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.138.168.152] has joined #edubuntu === mhz_gettin_ready leaving === Burgundavia [n=corey@209.104.102.193] has joined #edubuntu === magnon [n=co@209.104.102.193] has joined #edubuntu === pips1 is now known as pips1_food === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.247] has joined #edubuntu === farruinn [n=nathan@cpe-69-201-8-80.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === pere is now known as pere_gone === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === crimsun_ [i=crimsun@hacked.org] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@141.30.211.85] has joined #edubuntu === BeGu [n=BeGu@cs163205.pp.htv.fi] has joined #edubuntu === BeGu [n=BeGu@cs163205.pp.htv.fi] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === lidveig [n=lidveig@99.82-134-62.bkkb.no] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.9.179] has joined #edubuntu === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === vmarks [n=vmarks@adsl-065-015-231-005.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu === tirian [n=tirian@204.116.119.235] has joined #edubuntu === pere_gone is now known as pere === th1a [n=hoffman@pool-64-222-41-227.prov.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === hno73 [n=Henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has left #edubuntu [] === smi|e [n=smi|e@user-2731.lns5-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu === farruinn [n=nathan@cpe-69-201-8-80.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === magnon [n=co@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #edubuntu === lidveig [n=lidveig@99.82-134-62.bkkb.no] has joined #edubuntu === lidveig [n=lidveig@99.82-134-62.bkkb.no] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === \sh is now known as \sh_away === neurogeek [n=neurogee@200.93.35.152] has joined #edubuntu === \sh_away is now known as \sh [07:54] highvoltage, http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSiteOfficialContent === pips1_food is now known as pips1 [07:56] pips1: very, very nice! === symbulos [n=symbulos@host213-122-6-116.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #edubuntu === pere is now known as pere_gone [07:58] is juliux aroun? [07:58] yes [07:58] how can i help you? [07:59] hi, do you remember our discussion about edubuntu? [07:59] yes a little bit [08:00] I would be really grateful if you coud burn the DVD and send it. I pay for everyting. I go a look around but withut good results. [08:00] symbulos, ok i can do that [08:01] symbulos, how much dvds you need? [08:01] symbulos, can you send me a mail at juliux@ubuntu-de.org [08:01] just one, then I can duplicate easily [08:01] yes of course [08:01] wait [08:01] ok [08:05] just sent, let me know if you receive it. We should be soon able to have an office not far with broadband and everything, but we have a demo on the 18, we would like to have a copy and test before then. [08:05] ok i will brun the cd today and i can bring it tommor to the post office [08:05] s/cd/dvd [08:08] s/cd/dvd:-) [08:08] thanks, let me know how much do I have to send you, can do transfer from Deutsche Bank through friend [08:11] have you had a go with it on laptops? [08:12] we were thinking of using trying it on FS Amilo D. [08:13] highvoltage, ah you are still around! [08:14] highvoltage, I just sent you an email... [08:17] highvoltage, anyway I need to go now... talk to you later! bye! === bluefrog-10 [n=James@81.56.254.229] has joined #edubuntu === magnon [n=co@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #edubuntu [08:19] juliux: i have to go. Thank you for DVD! [08:20] bye === symbulos [n=symbulos@host213-122-6-116.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has left #edubuntu ["Hi] === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === \sh is now known as \sh_away === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #edubuntu === \sh_away is now known as \sh === bdoin [n=coudoin@home.gcompris.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:02] are the edubuntu and the breezy dvd the some? === signifer123 [n=michael@pool-70-16-12-170.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:03] hello [09:03] hi signifer123 [09:04] ogra, are the edubuntu and the breezy dvds the same? === catita_linda_23 [n=ircap751@46-232-28.dial.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === catita_linda_23 is now known as cata_lemc === bluefrog-10 [n=James@81.56.254.229] has joined #edubuntu === smykes [n=jsmykil@24-52-170-94.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:23] guys I cant connect to a SMB share on a 2000 machine :/ [09:25] yes [09:25] try places > network servers [09:26] oh sry i read can i [09:27] im trying to log in but its attaching @ubuntu to any user name [09:27] no way to erase it after it's attached? [09:27] no it just tells me You must log in to access student@UBUNTU domain BLAH [09:28] I just need it to be student [09:28] im changing the host name [09:28] maybe that will work [09:28] brb [09:28] from linux into windows or reverse? [09:29] linux to windows [09:30] waiting for it to shut down [09:30] everything seems fucked up [09:30] hard reboot :( [09:38] juliux, indeed they are not :0 [09:38] juliux, the edubuntu DVD contains the edubuntu CD plus all of main [09:39] ogra, i see, but the name of the iso is also breey [09:39] the ubuntu DVD contains the ubuntu CD plus all of main [09:39] sure, they are the breezy release [09:39] ogra, but the filenames are the same [09:39] kubuntu is called breezy too [09:39] oh not good [09:42] ogra, and do you have a short german text about edubuntu ? [09:42] not yet... i have an english presentation... i'll put it online somewhere... [09:42] sorry, in a meeting currently, cant talk... [09:42] ok [09:42] ogra, link? [09:43] i'll give it to you if its up [09:43] ogra, i have somebody who will translate it into german [09:48] got it working yet? === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === magnon [n=co@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === Grant_ [n=grant@85-210-168-192.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #edubuntu === signifer123 [n=michael@pool-70-16-12-170.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu