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[02:39] <Riddell> hi tshah 
[02:40] <tshah> hey
[02:40] <tshah> I suddenly got assigned a ton of work so I guess I can't do as much as I thought I could do
[02:40] <tshah> but I did make some changes to the FAQ
[02:40] <Riddell> pah, universities understand that free software is more important than coursework
[02:41] <Riddell> send us your diffs
[02:42] <tshah> ok... its only one file, but I'll send you the diff.....
[02:42] <tshah> crap! do you have the original tar file?
[02:43] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jr/tmp/kubuntu.org.tar.bz2
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[03:20] <tshah> I am not too sure how you wanted me to zip it up and also which date, etc, but here is a link to the diff: http://koshishr.res.cmu.edu/tejChanges.diff
[03:21] <tshah> Riddell, tell me if you want it made differently or any other probs
[03:22] <Riddell> Resolving koshishr.res.cmu.edu... failed: Name or service not known.
[03:26] <Riddell> tshah: is that right?
[03:29] <tshah> sorry http://koshish.res.cmu.edu/tejChanges.diff
[03:43] <Riddell> tshah: the changes to 'What does "Kubuntu" mean?' are incorrect
[03:43] <Riddell> 23:01 < Riddell> ubuntu means love of humanity in zulu/xhosa and other languages, kubuntu means towards humanity in bemba
[03:43] <tshah> are you sure about that, I read in wiki differently
[03:43] <Riddell> which wiki?
[03:43] <tshah> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(ideology)
[03:44] <tshah> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubuntu
[03:45] <Riddell> the Kubuntu page is wrong
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[03:46] <tshah> ok, sorry about that
[03:50] <tshah> so does that mean the "k" in the front being a real word is a coincidence?
[03:54] <tshah> I think I will take this guys word for it: http://dot.kde.org/1111118006/1111143814/
[04:11] <tshah> so Riddell, how does this sound: "Kubuntu", means "towards humanity" in Bemba. It is simply a coincidence that the "k" in the front also implies that it uses the K Desktop Environment.
[04:13] <apokryphos> tshah: it was intentional all along, of course ;-)
[04:15] <tshah> yeah, it all works out perfecutly in the end :)
[04:15] <tshah> *perfectly
[04:46] <Riddell> tshah: yes, the k is a prefix (similar to how swahili prefixes kiswahili)
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[08:06] <pef> hello
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[09:41] <_Tonio_> morning all
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[11:39] <Tm_T> bah
[11:40] <Tm_T> I really don't understand why this can't work the way I like
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[01:27] <JRe> Riddell: I think there is a problem with breezy's qt4 packages
[01:28] <JRe> Riddell: qt4-dev-tools package conflicts with qt3-designer
[01:29] <JRe> Riddell: but the qt3-designer version is not the ubuntu one so it do not get uninstalled
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[02:15] <apokryphos> on http://kubuntu.org/announcements/breezy-release.php on describing hoary -> breezy upgrade, there really needs to be a mention that users *have* to have *buntu-desktop installed before the upgrade
[02:15] <apokryphos> lot of problems caused when that's not the case, it seems
[02:22] <Riddell> apokryphos: how else would you "upgrade"?
[02:31] <Lathiat> Riddell: dist-upgrade when ubuntu-desktop isnt installed
[02:31] <Lathiat> Riddell: lots of people remove ubuntu-desktop as a result of installign unsupported packages etc
[02:32] <Lathiat> or well kubuntu-desktop in our case
[02:32] <Riddell> dist-upgrade will still work, you just end up with the same programs
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[02:39] <Lathiat> Riddell: i bet stuff was changed around in ubuntu-desktop thats needed
[02:39] <Lathiat> x stuff, or whatever
[02:40] <Lathiat> apokryphos seems to think so
[02:40] <Lathiat> and i've seen it in past upgrades
[02:48] <Riddell> Lathiat: ok, I'll change that after breakfast
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[03:26] <apokryphos> yes, dist-upgrade relies on one of the respective metapacks to perform the upgrade successfully (calculate which new packages are needed, which aren't etc). We have it on wiki.b.c/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[03:30] <Riddell> apokryphos: wiki.b.c?
[03:30] <apokryphos> .u.c, sorry
[03:35] <Riddell> breezy-release.php changed
[03:36] <apokryphos> thanks
[03:41] <pef> Riddell: hello Jonathan
[03:41] <Riddell> hi pef
[03:43] <pef> Riddell: now I'm a MOTU, can I upload something to archive ? or is it something different from developpers status ?
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[03:43] <Riddell> pef: you have to sign the code of conduct, which I assume you did on membership, and give elmo your GPG key
[03:44] <Riddell> pef: make sure you sign the CoC in launchpad and include your GPG key on launchpad
[03:44] <pef> Riddell: both are ok
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[03:45] <Riddell> pef: you need to get elmoto confirm if you are whitelisted
[03:48] <pef> Riddell: ok, thank you :)
[03:56] <apokryphos> congrats on MOTUship pef; great stuff =)
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[04:34] <Mez> Riddell: what's the easiest way to get general KDE stuff to build... isnt there a script you can include in rules to od it?
[04:41] <pef> apokryphos: thank you :] 
[04:42] <pef> Mez: cdbs with kde.mk maybe
[04:42] <Mez> that wa sit
[04:42] <Mez> kde.mk
[04:51] <Mez> doesnt seem to work with Makefile.cvs though
[04:51] <Mez> or should i do that manually?
[04:58] <pef> Mez: you need to run make -f Makefile.cvs manually
[05:51] <pef> Riddell: ping
[05:53] <Riddell> pef: hi
[05:54] <pef> Riddell: why konversation doesn't uses kwallet to store authentication parameters ? (nickserv password for example)
[05:55] <Riddell> pef: no idea, you'd needto ask konversation developers (ericcartman on #kde-devel)
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[05:56] <pef> Riddell: thanks for the pointer
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[06:05] <Riddell> gwenview needs a package update (and possibly a sync)
[06:07] <pef> Riddell: will work on it
[06:08] <pef> mm no...main :/
[06:10] <Riddell> pef: please work on it and upload to revu, I'll review and upload to main
[06:10] <pef> Riddell: ok !
[06:11] <Riddell> yay
[06:14] <pef> Riddell: if syncing from Debian, should I add en entry to Debian's changelog, or overwrite Debian's changelog with current Ubuntu's one ?
[06:14] <Riddell> pef: merge the changelogs
[06:15] <Riddell> start with debian one, marge in all the ubuntu entries in correct places, then add a new ubuntu one at top
[06:16] <pef> Riddell: I think a sync is a good idea, I don't see any ubuntu's changes which can be lost with this sync
[06:18] <Riddell> pef: the kubuntu package might have been made with unsermake
[06:19] <Riddell> you can keep doing that (in which case rebuild the .orig) or not bother
[06:20] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuRoadmap2  
[06:20] <Riddell> comments welcome
[06:24] <pef> Riddell: do you know something like a "mergechangelogs" tools ? :] 
[06:25] <Riddell> pef: nope, maybe merge-o-metic does it
[06:25] <pef> ok, otherwise I will write it :)
[06:27] <pef> I need to be better at python
[06:27] <Riddell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/gwenview/
[06:28] <Riddell> mm, 13Meg debdiff
[06:28] <\sh> meh
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[06:37] <allee> pef: mhmm, there's mergechanges from devscripts package.  try and tell me if it works ;)
[06:38] <pef> allee: I tried merge[tab]  too :D
[06:38] <allee> :)
[06:39] <Riddell> hi jjesse 
[06:39] <jjesse> hello Riddell 
[07:05] <\sh> Riddell: do we have something like a map widget?
[07:06] <\sh> Riddell: for displaying city maps to select (good guessed) language and timezone ?
[07:07] <Riddell> \sh: tackat is developing one for KDE 4, I don't know if there's a current one
[07:07] <Riddell> kworldclock
[07:08] <\sh> Riddell: we need something like this to reuse it in the kubuntu-express installer....just reading over the notes of kamion
[07:08] <\sh> Riddell: no kworldclock...
[07:09] <\sh> looks like, that we need to find at qt/kde google map world map widget ,-)
[07:09] <\sh> s/at/a/
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[07:11] <insanekane> hello Sime 
[07:11] <jjesse> Riddell: i'm look at the bug #18803 who created the package kubuntu-docs?
[07:12] <Riddell> Sime: insanekane is thinking about a keyboard map program in python
[07:12] <Riddell> insanekane: I don't know if Sime is on IRC just now
[07:12] <Riddell> jjesse: me and \sh
[07:12] <Riddell> jjesse: I think something changed in ubuntu-docs to break it
[07:12] <\sh> index.html issue in ff?
[07:12] <insanekane> Riddell: well, not keyboard map ... rather it is a character selector
[07:12] <\sh> on kubuntu?
[07:13] <insanekane> Riddell: but keyboard maps are better implemented as Helper modules of SCIM, i.e., as an IME
[07:14] <insanekane> btw, to all involved, thanks MUCH for the PyQt/PyKDE packages ... you guys are awesome :)
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[07:15] <\sh> insanekane: thx
[07:15] <insanekane> \sh: thanks :)
[07:16] <\sh> Riddell: btw...I just had a short chat with jblack about importing pyqt pykde stuff into the bazaar repos ...
[07:16] <\sh> Riddell: we will have another sprint how to do this
[07:16] <Riddell> sprint?  or bof?
[07:16] <\sh> Riddell: a private sprint...even an introduction to bzr, bazaar and hct :)
[07:17] <Riddell> \sh: ooh, sonds fun, can I get invited?
[07:17] <Riddell> sounds
[07:17] <insanekane> will PyQt/PyKDE be a standard install in future Kubuntu ?
[07:17] <\sh> Riddell: sure...i'll catch him later during smokers bof :) and find out when he has time
[07:18] <\sh> insanekane: thx to riddell it's back again in main
[07:18] <Riddell> insanekane: it is on the standard install in breezy
[07:18] <\sh> insanekane: including pykdeextensions
[07:18] <Mez> \sh: count me in too? I mean - I've had his stuff alrady :d but it'de be nice to do it in person
[07:18] <insanekane> cool :)
[07:19] <\sh> I think he will be pleased to do a mass "howto" session on his fav. toolchain :)
[07:19] <Mez> lol
[07:19] <Mez> he doing baz or baz-ng?
[07:20] <\sh> doesn't matter what...actually i have a rough overview about the difference between the baz/-ng and cvs/svn/bla
[07:21] <Mez> I'm only used to using baz :D
[07:21] <Mez> I like bax
[07:21] <Mez> baz
[07:34] <jjesse> Riddell: i've updated that bug, figured out what firefox is looking for, but i don't know how to fix things :)
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[07:58] <Sime> hello all
[07:59] <Sime> insanekane: HELLO!
[08:05] <sebas> hi Sime 
[08:05] <Sime> hey
[08:27] <Sime> sebas: can I rip the screensaver bit out of displayconfig?
[08:28] <sebas> Sure.
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[08:28] <sebas> The whole dpms tab?
[08:28] <sebas> (There'd be no replacement for the dpms set widget)
[08:28] <sebas> But that could move to hardware, I guess.
[08:29] <Sime> we still need the DPMS part? (just one widget, that is not a problem to keep)
[08:29] <sebas> Yeah, only that widget, the rest can go away.
[08:30] <Sime> k
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[08:49] <jjesse> Riddell: when you get a chance can you look at the bug i've updated, i think it should take you like 5 mins to fix :)
[08:51] <Mez> jjesse, link ?
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[08:51] <jjesse> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18803
[08:53] <paulproteus> Riddell: There is a simple, one-line fix for that bug.
[08:53] <paulproteus> Mez: Apparently you're working on that bug?
[08:53] <Mez> paulproteus, add a patch to the bugtracker then :P
[08:53] <paulproteus> Mez: One sec. :)
[08:57] <paulproteus> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18803 updated, Mez
[08:57] <paulproteus> From #ubuntu-doc
[08:57] <paulproteus> (14:53:15) mdke: don't forget that /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html is a symlink in ubuntu-docs
[08:57] <Mez> ok
[08:57] <paulproteus> But I don't see how that's relevant.
[08:59] <paulproteus> Mez: Do you think dpkg-divert should also be removed from postrm?\
[09:00] <Mez> I dont know
[09:00] <paulproteus> Mez: Okay.
[09:03] <paulproteus> Mez: I updated the bug again, fwiw.
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