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rysiekthought so ;)12:06
Tm_Talaska?!12:06
Tm_Tpyh12:06
rysieknot all of us are in alaska, you know ;)12:07
rysieka quick question:12:07
rysiekthanks to SuperKaramba ;) I am monitoring my mem usage12:07
rysiekon Breezy12:08
Tm_T:(12:08
rysieknow, I have noticed that after a few hours of operation there is no free mem left...12:08
Tm_Tyes12:08
Tm_Tlinux uses free mem as cache/buffer12:09
Tm_Tjust ignore it12:09
rysiek?12:09
rysiekD'oh! :)12:09
rysiekok, so when I'm left with 64MB from my 1Gig of RAM and want to run a mem-consuming app like GIMP - what happens?12:09
naliothrysiek: thanks to SuperKaramba ;) you are contributing to your memory usage 12:10
Tm_Tapplication data is all you have to watch12:10
Tm_Trysiek: then cahce/buffer give room to gimp12:10
rysieknalioth: aye, I know this, but this is actually quite small12:10
rysiekTm_T: ok, calmed down now ;)12:10
Tm_Ttorsmo <312:11
naliothrysiek: some of the applets are memory connesuieurs12:11
LeeJunFannalioth: openoffice.12:11
Tm_Ttorsmo takes 1-4M here (and avg 0,2% cpu)12:11
rysieknalioth: I don't suppose BinClock to be mem consuming, and I have written the sysmon theme myself, no Python here ;)12:11
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rysiekso I don't suppose I lose a lot mem/cpu on this12:12
naliothTm_T: torsmo? you got that to work? you rock, dude! 12:12
LeeJunFannalioth: and the better word might be carnivore.12:12
Tm_Tnalioth: easily12:12
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Tm_Tnalioth: and it shows MUCH things12:12
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naliothi compiled the last torsmo available and it never ran at all12:12
rysiekwhat's all the fuss about torsmo? SuperKaramba gives me the info and it works without bigger problems12:13
rysiekam I missing anything here?12:14
Tm_Tnalioth: wait, I took a pic12:14
Tm_Trysiek: just watch...12:14
rysiek[bang] ? :)12:14
Tm_Thttp://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_078.png12:14
Tm_Tupper right corner12:14
naliothTm_T: i believe you. 99% of developers know more tricks than me12:14
Tm_Treally light, really easy to modify, and you can easily display _anything_ (as long as it's text ;p )12:15
naliothrysiek: torsmo is an abandoned project similar to gkrellm. conky is someones "picking up the pieces" of torsmo and running with it12:15
rysiekok, so I'm not stunned :)12:15
kkathmanhey there Tm_T :)12:16
naliothTm_T: if one can get torsmo to actually run12:16
Tm_Tnalioth: you have done something wrong if you cant12:16
Tm_Tkkathman: hullo12:16
Tm_Tnalioth: torsmo is abandoned?!12:16
naliothTm_T: i've compiled it from it's source12:16
Tm_Tnalioth: me too12:16
naliothTm_T: yes it is12:16
Tm_Thmh, guys said bit different to me12:17
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rysiekok, gtg check if I have *finally* succeded in making my WOL work ;)12:17
Tm_Tbut, there's not much to do with it so, doesn't matter, it's "ready"12:17
Tm_T;)12:17
rysiekcu all, brb... hopefully ;)12:17
naliothTm_T: i used the binary from the repos, it didnt work, i compiled my own, it didnt work either12:17
Tm_Tstrange12:18
naliothTm_T: never got any errors during compile or nothing12:18
Tm_Twhat does konsole return when you try to run it?12:18
Tm_Tand first, (re)move your .torsmorc12:18
naliothTm_T: dunno, it's been months, and i run conky now12:18
Tm_Ttry12:19
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kazuhello12:19
propagandhianyone tried crossover office 512:20
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Strike4ceWhere can I get the kernel source?12:31
kazukernel.org strike4e12:31
flixorbut you can do it with apt i guess Strike4ce 12:32
kazuhi flixor ( thks fr yesterday t seems to work better )12:33
flixoryou are kidding me :) 12:33
flixorwell thanks to be of service 12:33
kazu^^12:34
flixorbtw kazu, do you know wich kernel kubuntu 5.10 is running 12:36
flixorLinux Photography 2.6.12-9-386 #1 Mon Oct 10 13:14:36 BST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux12:36
propagandhiStrike4ce: the ubuntu kernel source is in apt repositories12:36
flixorthis one i cant get the kernel source for in apt 12:36
kazu2.6.12 flixor12:36
flixoronly 2.6.1112:36
flixorso wich one do i have to download 12:36
flixori want the kernel source wich i am running rightnow 12:37
kazuyou want to down the sources ? jsut take it on kernel.org 5s12:37
naliothflixor: use linux-source12:37
kazuhttp://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.12.tar.gz12:37
naliothkazu: ubuntu kernel source is available in the repos, using 'vanilla' source isnt good12:38
kazu... a kernel source is just a kernel source no ?12:38
naliothkazu: ubuntu kernel source is patched for ubuntu12:39
flixorwell maybe ubuntu is doing some patching on the kernel kalenedrael 12:39
flixor:)12:39
kalenedraelkazu, you mean?12:39
flixori meant kazu 12:39
flixoryes kalenedrael sorry :)12:39
kalenedrael:P12:39
flixoryou where fast 12:39
kalenedraelHeh.12:39
kalenedraelI react when my name is said in a channel :P12:40
flixorlol, i rememer that kalenedrael 12:40
kazuok :) i never compile my kubuntu kernel :p but on debian i always down  it from kernel.org :) ok thks i learned something ;)12:40
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flixorwich runlevel is the one whitout X 12:40
flixoror how can i shutdown X12:41
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LeeJunFanflixor: /etc/init.d/kdm stop12:41
LeeJunFanflixor: or runlevel 112:41
flixorbrb 12:41
kazudid one of you had test the kde 3.5 ? is it ok or not yet ?12:41
flixorthanks 12:41
LeeJunFankazu: no.12:41
kazuflixor to shut down x /etc/init.d/kdm or gdm stop12:41
LeeJunFankazu: as in no it's not ok yet.12:42
kazuok thks LeeJunFan i will wait :)12:42
LeeJunFankazu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems12:42
kazuyes seems to have a lot of bug :p thks LeeJunFan 12:42
kazuand sorry to repeat what you sy about shutting down x I just haven't sen it :)12:45
naliothkazu: open a terminal and type "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop"12:45
kazui kow :) but thks12:46
kazuok please have a good night every body12:46
kazu+12:46
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DelvienDOES anyone know how to get rid of that annoying beep when you backspace too far?? 12:47
regeyano, but I know how to break a capslock key.12:47
Delvienregeya how with your face ?12:48
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regeyaDelvien: there are more subtle ways to break a capslock.  bite me. ;-)12:49
propagandhiDelvien: you can change it to have no bell12:50
Strike4ceWell, I just cant leave it alone. I got 3d working with the kubuntu supplied drivers, but I want to install the official driver from ATI. Anyone good at this?12:51
LeeJunFanI know how to break a whole keyboard on your laptop. Have a light over your desk that the little bugs of the night buz around in the summer, and your cat will tear into it costing you $100 to replace a keyboard.12:51
Strike4cewell?12:51
LeeJunFanas the bugs fall into the keyboard that is.12:52
LeeJunFanDelvien: if you are talking about konsole menu settings->bell->none12:54
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DelvienLeejunfan thanks12:59
Strike4ceWell, I just cant leave it alone. I got 3d working with the kubuntu supplied drivers, but I want to install the official driver from ATI. Anyone good at this?01:01
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Strike4ceWhat do I need to configure a kernel?01:05
LeeJunFanStrike4ce: apt-get install build-essential to start, a kernel source, and knowledge of what you need to enable in the kernel config. If you are planning on building 2.6.14 be aware that the current ATI drivers won't make against the 2.6.1401:06
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Strike4ceLeeJunFan do I need to configure the kernel for breezy to work with the ATI driver?01:10
Strike4ceor is that ready right out of the box?01:11
zoldaranybody knows some good substitute for windows commander in ubuntu?01:12
naliothzoldar: mc01:13
LeeJunFanStrike4ce: the ati driver needs to link into the kernel, which means that the ati driver needs to be compiled for the kernel you plan to run it with.01:13
Strike4ceLeeJunFan converted with alien right?01:14
Strike4ceI thought the kernel needed compiled01:14
zoldarnalioth: i have something more bound to x desktop on my mind - mc is great but for console01:14
LeeJunFanStrike4ce: but you shouldn't have to compile a kernel to compile the ATI driver against the existing breezy kernel.01:14
Strike4ceLeeJunFan look here: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Installing_ATI_drivers01:15
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LeeJunFanStrike4ce: yeah, convert it to a deb and install with dpkg, you'll have to cd to /lib/modules/fglrx and make the appropriate things there by running the included make scripts.01:15
naliothzoldar: krusader01:15
zoldarok, thanks01:15
zoldaragain01:16
Strike4ceWhere are the make scripts? How do I get to them?01:16
LeeJunFanStrike4ce: they are in the /lib/modules/fglrx dir01:16
naliothStrike4ce: makefiles come with source code pkgs01:16
naliothwoops01:16
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Strike4ceok so download the ati driver first01:17
Strike4ceconvert it with alien and then dpkg01:17
LeeJunFanright.01:19
Strike4ceI need to download it to that file path?01:19
Strike4ceor open it with that file path?01:19
Strike4ceDo I even need the build essential for this?01:20
Strike4ce??01:23
kkathmanbuild essential is need for compiling01:24
naliothStrike4ce: yes you do01:24
kkathmanneeded01:24
LeeJunFanStrike4ce: yeah, because build essential includes the compiler itself.01:24
kkathmanusually you have to have build-essential, gcc and g++01:25
kkathmanor thats what I have at least01:25
naliothkkathman: gcc and g++ are included in build-essential01:26
kkathmanohhh I guess when I installed before they werent01:27
Strike4ceok build essentials are installed01:29
Strike4ceNow Im going to download the driver from ATI01:29
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Strike4ceok Im going to download the ati driver to my desktop is that ok?01:33
naliothStrike4ce: you've backed up your xorg.conf, just go with your mission01:33
Strike4cei will now LOL01:34
Strike4cehat was the comand for that?01:35
Strike4ceWhat01:35
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kkathmanlol01:37
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DersursineHello, does anyone know of any documentation for KDevelop, the -doc package is pretty incomplete01:37
kkathmanDersursine: http://www.kdevelop.org/01:38
Dersursinekk, ty01:38
Dersursineah nice, the manual here is finished01:39
kkathmanDersursine: what language are you planning on using?01:40
DersursineC++01:40
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Dersursineits for my CS class01:40
Dersursinewe started working with out own header files and such, and I cant just use g++ to compile it all anymore :(01:40
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maeanyone having an issue with not being able to access anything on the admin panel via sudo01:42
maewell you know ksudo or whatever it is01:42
maei know my sudo pw is correct01:43
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maeit works fine on the cmd line01:43
maebut everything remains grayed out01:43
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maeis there any configs in ~ i could try deleting to reset it01:43
maeperhaps it got messed up somehow01:43
Dersursineif I remember right, theres an "editable" button or something in it01:44
DersursineI dun have KDE install tho, so not much I can help with :(01:44
mae????01:44
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Dersursinelol, im here for help with Kdevelop01:45
maeoh01:45
mae:)01:45
Dersursineim not a guru yet :'(01:45
lunitikRiddell: the default Kopete setting in Kubuntu for it to pop up a bubble on all new messages not in focus... how'd you do that?01:45
Strike4ceok I backed up and I converted the file01:45
maei use vim - wouldn't know anything about kdevelop01:45
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Dersursinehmm, i just need something that will manage my projects and compile them all, I used to just use G++, but now it doesnt link my files correctly01:46
Strike4ceok people help me out here please look at this: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Installing_ATI_drivers01:46
Strike4cedamn thast using xfree01:47
Strike4ceHow do I compile the ati driver?01:47
DersursineI have no idea, but if its like compiling other things, usualy you have to run the included './configure', then 'make', and finaly 'make install'01:49
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Strike4cekkathman can you help me or LeeJunFan?01:49
naliothStrike4ce: Dersursine has given you basic instructions01:51
Dersursinelol01:52
Dersursineis it easy to add kde support to a basic, normal ubuntu install?01:53
Strike4ceso I use command ./configure kernel?01:55
Dersursineuncompress the files they gave you, then in that dir you run the configuration scrip they gave you01:55
Dersursinedunno if kernel is an argument to it01:55
Strike4ceWhere would the config script be?01:55
Dersursineim a noob at all this, all ive done on my own is apache/php01:56
Strike4ceI downloaded it to desktop the ati driver01:56
Dersursineshould be called configure01:56
Dersursinewas the download a .tar.gz or something else?01:56
Strike4cerpm01:56
Dersursineoh01:56
Dersursineheh, that blows everything ive said out of the water then01:56
Strike4ceon there website it said it should work with the 2.6 kernel01:57
Strike4ceso do I really need to do anything?01:57
Dersursinehmm, should pprobably just need to install it like any other rpm01:57
Dersursineand id guess that would be all01:57
Dersursinetheir website should probably have instructions to install it01:57
Strike4cenope01:57
Strike4cedpkg -i filename right?01:58
Dersursineno idea01:58
Dersursinebrb one sec, phone01:58
Dersursinebah, the "Governator" call me >_>01:59
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Strike4ceok how do I kill this and bring it back up?02:00
Dersursineaccording to man pages, that would give info on an installed package, i guess.02:00
Dersursinekill the install?02:00
Strike4cekill everything02:00
Dersursinepower button ?02:01
Strike4cectrl alt f1?02:01
Strike4cectrl aalt backspace?02:01
Dersursinedunno02:01
Dersursinectrl alt backspace reloads the x server thingy02:01
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Dersursinedunno if thats a good idea if your changing kernel stuff tho02:01
naliothDersursine: um, install kubuntu-desktop?02:04
Dersursinekk02:04
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Strike4cecool back but getting a error when I run fgl_glxgears02:04
Dersursinepaste the error into google02:04
naliothDersursine: you can also get an xfce4 desktop by installing "xubuntu-desktop"02:07
Dersursinekk02:07
Dersursinenever heard of it02:07
nalioth!xubuntu02:07
ubotuhmm... xubuntu is Ubuntu using XFCE instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu02:08
Dersursine!XFCE02:08
uboturumour has it, xfce is a lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4" or "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". http://www.xfce.org/02:08
Dersursineah02:08
DersursineMan, I wanna make the bot say that "I am the almighty king of the universe," lol02:09
Dersursinefigured it wouldnt be a good idea tho...02:09
Dersursine!tell dersursine about botabuse02:09
Strike4cebbl02:11
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Dersursinekk02:12
Dersursinenalioth, do you have any experience with KDevelop and C++?02:18
naliothDersursine: i do not02:20
Dersursineah, ok02:20
kkathmanI dont either, I basicall program in PHP so I use Quanta02:22
DersursineAh, PHP was my first language02:23
Dersursineso nice ^^02:23
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DersursineC++ is fun tho, just a ton more work... forces you to think things out and be good.02:24
kkathmanand Quanta is a very nice IDE for it02:24
kkathmanIm not sure if its a C++ thing or not02:24
kkathmanBut kdevelop really looks nice02:24
Dersursineya, cleanest interface. at least between Anjuta and VS.net02:25
Dersursinehaha, ##C++ has '!insult bill gates'02:26
kkathmanhehe02:26
DersursineI could spam that allllllll day long...02:26
kkathmannalioth: what was that other desktop that someone asked about earlier today (not XFCE) but something that was supposed to be nicer than KDE?02:27
DersursineMan, ##C++ and #ubuntu have so many ppl no one even sees what you say half the time02:27
Dersursinekkathman, gnome? :-p02:27
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kkathmannah02:27
kkathmanI02:27
kkathmanI guess I'll have to scroll back02:27
trothi just downloaded a .run file, can it be installed on kubuntu and is there a wiki on how to do it?02:28
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icewtsh *.run02:28
icewtor sudo sh *.run02:28
troththats it?02:29
icewtit should fire up an installer or something, depending on what it is you are trying to install02:29
trotha free game02:29
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naliothkkathman: there is nothing nicer then kde.  xpde is a windows xp-like desktop mangler02:30
icewttry sudo sh *.run then02:30
hybrid_gotheww02:30
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trothicewt: that was it, thx02:31
troththe more i learn with linux the more i like :)02:31
kkathmanXPDE is what it was02:31
icewttroth: good :)02:32
troththe first 2 weeks were rough, but its all starting to make sense02:32
trothafter you learn all the install procedures really02:33
kkathmanAHH its a windows gdm for linux02:33
trothicewt: now say i dont like this game, how would uninstalling work?02:34
icewttroth: depends on the game. it may have an uninstaller of it's own02:35
trothk i see02:35
icewttroth: look in the directory where you installed it02:35
trothk02:35
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kkathmananyone wanna take a stab at this error I got on a "make"?  make[3] : *** [install-libLTLIBRARIES]  Error 102:38
naliothkkathman: install more deb libs02:38
kkathmannalioth??02:39
kkathmanmake[2] : *** [install-am]  Error 202:39
kkathmanthats another one02:39
kkathmanand this one02:40
naliothkkathman: install more dev libs02:40
kkathmanmake[1] : *** [install-recursive]  Error 102:40
kkathmanmore dev libs?02:40
kkathmanso, libtlibraries-dev?02:40
naliothkkathman: whatever you think you are missing02:40
kkathmanok well that assumes that I can ascertain that :)02:41
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kkathmanthanks anyway nalioth :)02:44
naliothkkathman: what are you building?02:44
kkathmantrying knoda again02:45
kkathmanthere's no libLTLIBRARIES02:45
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Dersursinewtf, theres a GBA Emulator in KDevelop02:51
kkathman?02:51
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DersursineGame Boy Advanced02:52
naliothkkathman: apt-get build-dep knoda does nothing?02:52
kkathman  libhk-classes7 libhk-classes7-dev libqt3-compat-headers02:54
kkathmanso I go ahead and install these then?02:54
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Philyhi all I'm considering buying a new GPU and want your opinion ATI or NVIDIA, I currently own a crappy Ge-force 2 and I<m considering ATI (because I'm cdn)!02:57
PhilyI<m a little worried about quality of ATI driver02:57
kkathmanNVIDIA02:57
icewtnvidia02:57
kkathmantoo many problems with Linux and ATI02:57
kkathmanATI is NOT linux friendly02:58
icewtati is evil02:58
Philyicewt: why is ati more evil than NVIDIA ati do release the source after a while02:59
kkathmanPhily: you asked us...experience says nvidia03:00
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kkathmanif you want to buy ATI, then go for it and then deal with ATI for support03:00
Philykkathman: sorry i thought you were saying evil has in open source i<Ve been a big NVIDIA fan since the TNT series i<ll guest i<ll stick to them03:01
kkathmanno.. just ATI isnt Linux friendly, period.  03:02
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Philykkathman: will buying a new card help with the new composite extension with NVIDIA its freaking slow on my system03:03
kkathmanNVIDIA has been very friendly, but anything that is "new" will be released on Windows FIRST, then on Linux usually. NVIDIA isnt too bad about it tho.03:05
Philythe new rubber-band option is slow with NVIDIA driver compared to nv driver any reason03:05
kkathmanim not that familiar with that03:06
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apokryphosPhily: what card do you have03:12
Philyapokryphos: ggorce 2 mx40003:13
Philylol03:13
apokryphosit's down to your card more than anything03:13
apokryphosI'd be surprised if there was a signficant difference between the drivers03:13
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Philyapokryphos: well ive been running Linux for over 5 years and want stable driver easy to install so I guest ATI is out03:14
apokryphosPhily: obviously. But you shouldn't be degenerating to a gforce 2 ;-)03:15
apokryphosonboards these days don't even come with those :P03:15
Philyapokryphos: well I,ve decided to upgrade so I need something abrage to run casual games like maybe doom 303:15
jhealeyhelolo03:16
apokryphosPhily: abrage?03:16
Philyaverage03:16
apokryphosPhily: I'd recommend my card -- nvidia 5200fx03:16
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apokryphosthey're about 30 or so (if not less)03:17
kkathmanexcellent card :)03:17
apokryphosif you've got a bigger budjet you could go for a better one, but that one's decent enough03:17
Philyapokryphos: i was thinking the 6600 or 6600 gt budget wise approx 200$ cdn 150 US03:18
jhealeyhello03:18
apokryphosPhily: if you can afford it, then that's an excellent choice, definitely.03:18
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apokryphosPhily: that'll run full composite without you noticing any lag :D03:18
Philyanyone running transparency here is it worth it? any usability improvement or is it just eye candy?03:19
apokryphosyou need a good card for it03:19
apokryphoseye-candy mostly; usability, it depends on how you configure it03:19
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kkathmanHowdy again CyberMad  :)03:45
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Philyamrok deb package on kubuntu does not support music brain!03:52
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apokryphosPhily: it does, but not for mp3 etc formats04:04
apokryphosit's propietary, so Kubuntu can't ship with it04:04
Philyapokryphos: well it worked for hoary04:04
apokryphosnope....04:04
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Philyapokryphos: ok how do I get it working on MP3 maybe I built my own amarok on hoary?04:05
apokryphosbuilding your own amarok wouldn't make a difference, as it's all down to libtunepimp (which I seriously doubt you built yourself)04:06
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nekostarbbiab restart of this X thing04:11
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Philyapokryphos: not to hard to build libtunepimp04:14
jsubl2how about the dependencies for libtunepimp04:14
apokryphosPhily: harder than you'd think, actually04:15
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apokryphosPhily: anyway: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/libtunepimp2c204:16
Philyapokryphos: did ./configure but no make file!04:17
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Philywill it compile with gcc4 or 3.404:17
apokryphoshm, I see they have a proper compile from source now for Linux -- that's nice. Either I'm now insane, or they certainly didn't have one and used to make it pretty tough for Linux users04:17
apokryphosPhily: grab the deb I linked to04:18
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Philyapokryphos:   Version 2.1.0 or higher of the MusicBrainz04:21
Phily required bla bla to build ok i<ll guest i<ll download the deb package04:21
Philyapokryphos: ok im stubborn compiling right now04:26
apokryphosPhily: whatt? Why?04:26
apokryphosI gave you the exact deb that makes it work. :/04:26
Philyapokryphos:  building your own amarok wouldn't make a difference, as it's all down to libtunepimp (which I seriously doubt you built yourself)04:26
apokryphosyes.....and?04:26
apokryphosobviously you can just use the respective deb (presuming it had mp3 support, which this one does)04:27
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apokryphosman, kompile is pretty sweet. Nice UI04:30
naliothkompile?04:32
apokryphosnalioth: http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=3022304:32
apokryphostry it out04:32
Philyapokryphos: got lib-tune working compiled all by myself, amrok is now almost perfect now only if I could tag several files using amarok04:32
apokryphoscongratulations, but I'm wondering why you're not on Gentoo if you love compiling things...04:33
naliothapokryphos: can you say "gnu sourceinstall" ?04:33
apokryphosamaroK is more of a great mp3 player that just happens to have tagging abilities. JuK is more of a tagger, that just so happens to have mp3-playing abilities 8)04:34
Philyapokryphos: gentoo on my amd 2500 xp+ cost about 50$ of electricity to compile04:34
apokryphosnalioth: probably not; it's fairly embryonic atm, but nice.04:34
naliothapokryphos: "gnu sourceinstall" is this things granddaddy04:35
apokryphosnalioth: ok; well, try the app out -- really :D04:35
Philyapokryphos: I compile my own crap when it is not readily available and risk breaking my system with some unsupported package04:35
naliothapokryphos: http://www.gnu.org/software/sourceinstall/sourceinstall.html04:35
apokryphosPhily: considering neither of those was the case....04:36
naliothapokryphos: you sure you dont have any italian relatives?04:36
apokryphosyup04:36
apokryphosonly Greeks in my family :P04:36
Philyapokryphos: I thought Juk played more files with the latest version04:37
apokryphosit generally uses the same backend 04:37
naliothapokryphos: you know i'm gonna have to rewrite it to use checkinstall, right?04:37
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apokryphosif you want04:38
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calcmandan|breezanyone have a list of kubuntu repos for breezy?04:40
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calcmandan|breezor a location of the list?04:41
apokryphos!sources04:41
calcmandan|breezno the official list on the web04:41
apokryphosargh; people making the factoid unnecessarily long again04:41
Philyanyone know hoe to use hardware mixing with nforce2 chipset my system uses arts hungry cpu and theirs a buzzing sound in the audio aoutpu.  I<m afraid of using the installer from nvidia04:41
apokryphos!+sources04:41
ubotuHow to add repositories:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic04:41
calcmandan|breezubotu: thanks04:41
ubotucalcmandan|breez: my pleasure04:41
Phily!amarok04:42
ubotuamarok is, like, totally, a music player for Linux and Unix with an intuitive interface. See http://amarok.kde.org ; amaroK's features: http://amarok.kde.org/content/view/51/1/04:42
Phily!nforce04:42
apokryphosubotu: no sources is <reply> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic04:42
ubotuNot a clue, Phily04:42
ubotuokay, apokryphos04:42
naliothapokryphos: there's a lot of that goin on lately04:45
apokryphosnalioth: it's annoying; ubotu ends up chucking loadsa output, then people find it odd that they can't paste a few lines in the chan :P04:46
calcmandan|breezi just KNEW I was missing repos on the list.04:47
nalioththe bot was meant to issue single lines of help04:47
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naliothapokryphos: re kompile: can you say blisteringly beta? (i smell alpha strongly)04:51
apokryphosnalioth: I'd say alpha, definitely.04:51
apokryphos1.0 isn't out or anything04:52
apokryphos(in KDE it geennerally means -> embryonic)04:52
naliothapokryphos: my alias "build" does the same thing (with less typing)04:52
apokryphosnalioth: but is it as pretty? ;-)04:52
naliothdunno i havent seen this thing work yet04:52
apokryphosI'm looking at the potential; I think it could be good enough to be default in dapper if it gets a few more options (but does it delicately)04:52
Chaniif I install kubuntu, then install windoze and it overwrites the boot thingy (but not linux itself), is there an easy way of redoing grub/lilo/whatever?04:52
naliothand i dont want it "make(ng)install" anything04:53
apokryphos!tell Chani about grub04:53
naliothi use 'checkinstall'04:53
apokryphosalways?04:53
Chaniapokryphos: thanks04:53
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naliothapokryphos: gnu sourceinstall is mature, just needs a qt wrapper04:53
apokryphoscheckinstall pukes me random errors sometimes; though I don't like having to enter details etc; I prefer just compiling04:54
Chaniapokryphos: oh, nevermind... I was hoping for something simpler than the chroot method...04:55
naliothapokryphos: checkinstall only returns the same errors you'd get if you ran dpkg-buildpackage * && sudo dpkg -i *04:55
Chaniapokryphos: or.. well... I'm assuming that the "Recovering GRUB Automatically" requires the stuff above it to be done beforehand.04:56
apokryphosChani: there should ideally be a better way; I like the way SuSE handles this personally04:57
Chaniapokryphos: oh?04:57
ChaniI was considering trying suse. but... rpms scare me :)04:58
apokryphosChani: well, it has a built-in bootloader on the CD, and has an option to reinstall the bootloader, which works well 04:58
Chaniah, nice04:58
apokryphosChani: SuSE is certainly the most polished distro, and *very* nice in some ways04:59
Chanithat's what I was hoping the kubuntu installer would have'04:59
apokryphosbut rpms and repositories are a bit of a nightmare04:59
apokryphosespecially if you're coming from debian/ubuntu04:59
Chanihow is kubuntu for repository stuff? it's been a while since I had a debian comp... gentoo is just perfect for me, but this is for a friend's comp04:59
apokryphosChani: basically as good as Debian04:59
apokryphoswhich is, suffice it to say, very good04:59
ChaniI remember having to add some extra sources to debian for stuff.. umm.. mplayer or something04:59
naliothChani: it is perfect here in x/k/ubuntu land05:00
shrinkyjL[os] ``whats the dvd movie program for linux05:00
Chaniand what's with the incompatibility rumours? if I find a .deb on some random website will it not work in kubuntu?05:00
naliothChani: please ask in here before you go adding things for kubuntu05:00
naliothChani: debian binaries are not good for ubuntu05:01
ChanishrinkyjL[os] ``: xine or mplayer or something?05:01
apokryphosChani: all mplayer stuff is in ubuntu repos05:01
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apokryphosw32codecs isn't in the repo, but there's links to debs for them, right here05:01
Chaninalioth: so... they might work or they might explode? :)05:01
apokryphosall you need to do is become friends with the bot :P05:01
apokryphosChani: you generally shouldn't use them05:01
naliothChani: mostly they just kill your ubuntu dead05:02
apokryphosand 99% there should be no need to05:02
Chanithere is some stuff I needed debs for in the past... but... I've mostly abandoned that project now. wait, this isn't even *for* me. :)05:02
Chaniaaand I must go afk.05:03
Chanithanks05:03
apokryphosmy guess is that you didn't have the appropriate repos enabled ;-)05:03
naliothapokryphos: did you check that sourceinstall out?05:03
apokryphosnot really; should I?05:04
naliothmight take some fire outta your sails over kompile05:04
apokryphosI really only like kompile because it's simple and pretty05:05
apokryphosand just what a new end-user needs (if it was more comprehensive in some ways)05:05
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naliothsourceinstall is uglier than a institutional brick, but it is mature (basically as mentioned, a qt wrapper would do it good)05:06
naliothdoes the same thing as kompile, plus it keeps track of what goes where (sort of like checkinstall)05:06
apokryphosand how does make install not? 8)05:08
naliothmake install just puts the stuff in, and once you dump the build dir, your "uninstall" script (if there was one) is gone05:10
apokryphostrue, unless you remake it05:11
apokryphosthough the same principle applies to the checkinstall here05:11
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popeyerayactivity05:17
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PanBlueCoalitionwhat's the minimum hw requirements for kubuntu?05:21
popeyeraybootable05:21
shrinkyjL[os] ``how do i install a .tar.bz2 file05:21
shrinkyjL[os] ``if it helps, the program is teamspeak05:21
popeyerayvideo technology05:22
popeyerayI am working at my old alma-mater and espousing the wonderfulness that is Linux.05:22
HobbseePanBlueCoalition: should be the same as this:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseNotes?highlight=%28requirements%29#head-926b69ab76b39955f2710c42c4bf39122ffdc4e505:23
HobbseeshrinkyjL[os] ``: there's usually a readme in the file, use ark to unarchive it, and then follow the readme05:24
PanBlueCoalitiondamn, 2gb .05:24
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shrinkyjL[os] ``Hobbsee, thanks05:25
HobbseeshrinkyjL[os] ``: no problem05:25
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flixorhya nalioth, well i have decided to reinstall, well i am installing as we speak right now05:44
naliothflixor: we know a better path to follow this time, eh?05:45
flixorlol, yes we do nalioth 05:45
flixoronly ubuntu repos05:45
Hobbseewhat was this for?05:45
flixorand other stuff i will compile myself05:45
Hobbseeah right...how'd you screw up your system lol?05:45
flixorwell Hobbsee well its was not a big problem i wrote my stuff on cdrom 05:46
flixorso that was save, 05:46
Hobbseealways useful05:46
flixoryes it is, but besides that it was quiet usefull to screwup my box05:47
flixorlearned a lot in the process 05:47
flixor:) but i wont repeat it :)05:47
naliothflixor: checkinstall is a good program to use when compiling05:47
naliothubotu: tell flixor about checkinstall05:47
flixorthanks nalioth 05:47
flixorbtw in wich part of the world do you live nalioth 05:48
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naliothTexas is where i live05:48
Hobbseehehe05:48
flixortexas, good old texas05:49
flixorwell overhere its amsterdam 05:49
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flixorwe have a x connection :) 05:52
daleXXgribbelhey guys, what do i have to do to get kde to read my user's .bash_logout file when kde exits?05:52
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flixornalioth: what is the url for that pastebin 05:58
flixor!pastebin05:58
ubotupastebin is, like, a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl05:58
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daleXXgribbeli just edited my /usr/bin/kdestart file and added 'sh /home/$USER/.bash_logout' underneath the logout scripts06:02
daleXXgribbelseems to work fine06:02
juchipilohello, i have a question..  i'm trying to create a new user but i don't have the root passwd. the installation didn't ask me for root password. what would be the default root password?06:03
flixornalioth: you did paste the sources.list under the name rick right 06:03
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naliothflixor: i havent posted a sources list06:03
naliothubotu: tell flixor about sources06:03
laszlokjuchipilo: the root password is the password of the first user you entered06:04
juchipilocool, thanks..06:04
laszlokjuchipilo: but there is no root user, the first user has the ability to run sudo06:05
juchipilommh. not good.06:05
juchipiloit06:06
juchipiloit's just confusing06:06
laszlokjuchipilo: thats what i thought at first too, but its actually fine. The user does not get root priveleges unless you run sudo and type the password06:06
shrinkyjL[os] ``what program plays DVDs on linux again?06:07
laszlokyou can create root if you want, but its actually easier to just leave it the way it is06:07
juchipilolaslok. i prefer the traditional way.06:07
juchipilobut i'll give it a try06:09
laszlok#shrinkyjL[os] ``: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-ade7b6cc5a280ee943fd7884cf7dc49ebe7e22ca06:09
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kkathmanhey all :)06:10
kkathmanwhats up tonight?06:10
flixorhya morning kkathman 06:12
kkathmanhey there flixor :)06:12
flixoroke guys for me its mornign ihave to go to bed 06:12
flixorand wakeup in three hours06:12
flixor:(06:12
flixoradios everybody 06:13
flixornight night06:13
flixornalioth: thanks again 06:13
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kkathmannight flix06:15
kkathmanwow kinda quiet tonight :)06:17
naliothkkathman: tell us a story (in #kubuntu-offtopic, of course)06:21
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kkathmana story?06:27
kkathmanhmm ok06:27
nekostarninie06:27
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insanekanehello all06:31
kkathmanhey insanekane  :)06:32
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insanekanehi kkathman 06:33
kkathmanwassup tonight :)06:34
insanekanenothing much ... working on scim IME issues06:35
kkathmanahh ok06:36
kkathmansounds like fun :)06:36
insanekanenot really :/06:36
insanekanestupid stupid stupid06:36
insanekaneeven after patching qt for immodule, it doesnt work ://06:36
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shrinkyjL[os] ``how do i log into root x_x06:39
insanekaneshrinkyjL[os] ``: you don't ... u use sudo06:39
Delviensudo -i06:39
nalioth !root06:39
uboturoot is probably disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo06:39
insanekaneshrinkyjL[os] ``: or, just use console login and then startx06:39
PanBlueCoalitiondamn, botched install again. :(06:39
DelvienAnyone know what version of Internet Explorer  wine runs06:39
kkathmanWhy would you want to run Internet Explorer!06:40
kkathmanlol06:40
Delvieni have to visit a site that requires it, hehe i know i REALLY dont want to 06:40
naliothDelvien: just change your user agent string06:41
Delviennalioth ?06:41
naliothDelvien: there's a firefox extension that does it for you06:41
Delvieno , lemme check06:41
Delvienknow where i download it?06:42
insanekaneperhaps thats not enough ? some stupid stupid sites use VBScript !!!!06:42
kkathmanwell Im about giving up on my compile..just must be a bad source package :(06:42
naliothDelvien: the firefox extension page?06:42
Delvienits the japanese Dell site, i need some info06:43
shrinkyjL[os] ``wth, i type mkdir codec06:45
shrinkyjL[os] ``and the flder 06:45
shrinkyjL[os] ``doesnt come up06:45
shrinkyjL[os] ``never mind06:45
shrinkyjL[os] ``how do i copy files into /usr/local/lib/codec06:47
shrinkyjL[os] ``because it wnt allow me to copy normally because i dnt have permission to06:47
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kkathmanshrinkyjL[os] ``: try putting "sudo" in front of your command06:49
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kkathmanthat raises you to superuser temporarily06:49
shrinkyjL[os] ``i dont knwo how to copy files through console though06:49
shrinkyjL[os] ``or bring files from one location to the other06:50
nalioth ubotu tell shrinkyjL[os] `` about cli06:50
kkathmanuse the cp command06:50
shrinkyjL[os] ``can you giev an example06:50
kkathmancp /foodir/foosubdir/file /anotherdir/anothersub06:51
shrinkyjL[os] ``thanks06:51
kkathmantheres a space between file and /06:51
shrinkyjL[os] ``k06:51
shrinkyjL[os] ``does it work for folders too06:51
kkathmanfolders?06:51
shrinkyjL[os] ``yes06:51
shrinkyjL[os] ``because there are too many files06:51
kkathmandirectories?06:51
shrinkyjL[os] ``yes06:52
kkathmanyou can use wildcards just like DOS06:52
naliothand dont forget the R option06:52
shrinkyjL[os] ``so... cp /foodir/foosubdir/* /anotherdir/anothersub06:52
shrinkyjL[os] ``r?06:53
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shrinkyjL[os] ``woot06:53
shrinkyjL[os] ``did it06:53
shrinkyjL[os] ``thanks06:53
kkathmanshrinkyjL[os] ``: you should read up a little on the command line interface before you attempt some of these things06:54
shrinkyjL[os] ``okay06:54
shrinkyjL[os] ``thanks anyway06:54
kkathmannp06:54
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sergiohi07:09
sergiohi07:10
kkathmanhi07:10
sergiodoes anybody can tell me where i can find how to add repositories and a list of them?07:10
kkathman!repos07:10
sergioi don't understand07:10
kkathmanA list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)07:10
nalioth!tell sergio about repos07:11
naliothkkathman: someone has been inflating the factoids07:11
kkathmaninflating the factoids?07:12
kkathmani notice that sometimes you can ! them in the channel and they print...and other times not07:12
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sergiobut i have not adept07:13
kkathmanwhen they are too long, they dont print them?07:13
kkathmansergio you dont need adept07:13
kkathmanjust get the repos in the examples and make yours like theirs07:14
sergioand how i do that?07:14
kkathman!repos07:14
ubotukkathman: Did you get hit by a windmill?07:14
kkathmanlol07:14
nalioth!repos07:14
uboturumour has it, repos is How to add repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)07:14
kkathmannalioth read your pm on repos..there is a HowTo there07:14
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kkathmanOHHHH ok only the ops can do those now !! sorry bout that07:15
naliothkkathman: what is that?07:15
nalioth!repos07:15
ubotuhmm... repos is How to add repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource07:15
kkathmanI did the same thing and got an insult :)07:15
naliothkkathman: ubotu is programmed to not flood the channel. if a factoid is longer than a set limit, he send it to you as a priv msg07:16
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LeeJunFansergio: you need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.lst file.07:16
kkathmanright...and so..it did, but then I typed it again and it insulted me :)07:16
naliothnotice i edited it and added a new factoid to contain all the info07:16
kkathmanok07:16
naliothidk anything about insults07:17
kkathmannever mind07:17
kkathmanlook up...."kkathman: Did you get hit by a windmill?"   an insult :)07:18
sergioI know i am making problems, but i only need a comman like gedit for ubuntu, i need a command like that for kubuntu07:36
manveruuhm07:37
manverukate?07:37
manverunobody is making problems :)07:38
manveruas long as you don't come running into my house, and point with something dangerous in my direction07:38
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naliothsergio: use 'kate'07:40
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ubuntuhi guys07:43
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sergioi really apreciate all your answers and i understand you get quiet.07:43
sergiothankyou07:43
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manveruodd guys come here :) - but better polite than spamming with pr0n...07:44
nondefaultwho's odd?07:44
nondefault=)07:44
nondefaulti'm just trying out the kubuntu livecd and this is the default channel. 07:45
manverunot you :)07:45
manveruand, like it?07:45
nondefaultit's most impressive.  booting my powerbook into linux is a strange sensation07:45
manveruhehe07:45
manverutho it's a rare thing that someone dedicates his powerbook to linux07:46
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nondefaultyeah well, i wouldnt switch over full time, but it's neat to have the option07:46
manveruyeah - i have a std notebook - so switching to linux seemed natural to me07:47
nondefaultoh, absolutely. for commodity hardware, linux is the best.07:47
manverui guess if i had a mac, i would stick to OSX...07:48
CellarDoordoes anyone use acidrip in here ?07:48
manveruat least for a while07:48
manverunope07:48
manverubut i could07:48
manveru^^07:48
CellarDoor:/07:49
nondefaultwell, i run fink on top of OS X so I have most of the software that is available for linux as well07:49
nondefaultnot all though07:49
manveruyeah, having a linux-based os has some benefits07:49
nondefaultthis is a great resource though. now if I have a mac with a dead hard drive I can still get some use out of it07:50
nondefaulti have hordes of old blue & white towers at work07:50
nondefaultand hoards also07:50
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manveruhow long does a live-cd live?07:50
kkathmanback..sorry was talking to my kids :)07:50
manveru-live+life07:50
nondefaultgee, no idea... i guess if I keep it in its case it will survive a while07:51
manveruhehe07:51
nondefaulti used extra-cheap media07:51
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nondefaultthis Konversation is a good client. i always used BitchX for IRC before. or mozilla07:52
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naliothnondefault: irssi07:52
nondefaultyeah, that one too07:52
manverui didn't try it before kubuntu as well07:53
manverubut now i like it better than x-chat07:53
manveruit seems more integrated - xchat always felt foreign07:53
CellarDoorkonversation is prettier than xchat ;)07:54
kkathmanlol07:54
nondefaultyeah, appeals to us mac users. =)07:54
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kkathmanIm out for the night...sleep time...07:55
CellarDoornite07:55
kkathmancyall tomorrow07:55
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nondefaultlaters kkath07:55
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DelvienAnyone here familiar with Starterbar for gdesklets? if so is there anything like that for SuperKaramba, 07:55
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nondefaultwhat about TuxBar?07:58
nondefaulti saw something about that on the SuperKaramba page07:58
manverukxdocker (tho it's still unusable in daily life)07:58
Delviennondefault its un-editable, you are stick with what it gives you for icons08:00
nondefaultooh, that sucks.  and they claim it's like the os x dock. that's slander!08:01
Delvienyeah08:01
manverukxdocker works for me - but it is still sooo alpha08:01
Delvienslow in other words?08:01
manveruno08:01
manveruit is quite fast08:01
manverubut the transparency sucks, and adding/removing apps is still hard08:02
manveruthat means - removing is going well, only adding is the problem08:02
nondefaultjust... not quite stable?08:02
manveruyeah...08:02
DelvienStarterbar for gnome Gdesklets is Awesome, but i dont work under gnome anymore08:02
manveruit was a product from some italians participating in the SommerOfCode08:03
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manveruhmm08:03
manveruthere should be something usable out there08:03
aftertafre boing :)08:04
Delvieni havent found anything that can Drag and drop , other then for gdesklets08:04
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manverui didn't use this08:04
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Delviengrr im about to just run gdesklets since i have gnome floating anyway08:09
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DelvienGnome was so much more user friendly.. <considering the switch back..08:10
aftertafboo...... ;)08:11
Tm_T:(08:11
nalioth_zZzDelvien: you can run adesklets, gdesklets or superkaramba all under gnome, if you like08:11
aftertafand under kde too....08:12
Delviennalioth_zZz a desklets didnt have any good desklets08:12
nalioth_zZzDelvien: create some08:12
Tm_T=)08:12
Delvienim running Gdesklets right now under KDE08:12
Tm_Tnooooo08:12
Delviennalioth i dont know how :P lol08:12
nalioth_zZzDelvien: they are simple to create, perhaps time to learn some scripting?08:12
DelvienTm_T ?08:13
Delviennalioth aye, starting my new job soon, hella hours : .08:13
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aftertafits my nat that keeps dropping me now... the proxy is fine :/08:13
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aftertafto quote a great man of our time:   d'oh!08:14
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Delvienbah gDesklets is buggy under KDE, that goes out the window08:15
Delvientime to watch Advent children 08:15
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paulproteusRiddell: The package kubuntu-doc dpkg-divers /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html to /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index-ubuntu.html .  Unfortunately, that means there is no file at /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html.  And Firefox's default home page is that file.  So every time I open a new window, Firefox complains it can't open the default start page.08:19
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nondefaultstart page can be reset in firefox preferences right?08:21
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paulproteusnondefault: Yes, but for a networked system with lots of e.g. LDAP or NIS users, I don't want to have hack each of their Firefox profiles.08:21
nondefaultyeah, that would be bad08:22
nondefaultunless you could script it08:22
paulproteusnondefault: It's totally a bug with kubuntu-docs that it makes there be no index.html in that dir.08:22
nondefaultsounds like it08:23
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manveruhmm08:23
manveruisn't there a kind of proto-config?08:23
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Tm_Thaha08:28
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nondefaultaha f11, and f1208:31
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ganymedhi. does anybody know how to fix this kcontrol bug... in breezy?08:34
nondefaulthaha, battery monitor claims I have 92:45 hours left08:34
Delviensweet08:35
Delvienyou have a nuclear reactor hooked up?08:35
nondefaultif that were minutes, it would be more accurate08:35
Delvienbattery life in ubuntu blows :P08:35
paulproteusnondefault: Mac laptop?08:35
nondefaultyeah08:35
paulproteusnondefault: Cool, I do that, too. :)08:36
Delvienwhat kind?08:36
nondefaultyes to the mac laptop, not to the "nukular" power source08:36
paulproteusDelvien: Mine is an iBook G4 one gigahertz.08:36
nondefault15" aluminum powerbook08:36
Delvienah08:36
nondefault1ghz08:36
Delviennot much of a mac guy, 08:36
DelvienDell i6000d  here08:36
nondefaultis that a solid machine?08:37
Delviencery08:37
Delvienvery *08:37
Delvienbeautiful screen too :)08:37
nondefaultback when I used to do dell laptop support, the CPia laptops were always breaking down on me08:37
Delvienjust make sure to get WSXGA +08:37
Delvienlol08:37
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Delviennewer ones are much better, i havent had one hardware problem with mine, and its over 6 months old , 08:38
Delvien15.4 wide screen : ) my favorite :)08:38
nondefaultthat's good.  one can't produce junk for ever and continue to grow the market.08:38
ganymedyou lucky one...08:38
DelvienDell support is iffy at times, but i work for a company that does mac support, they charge alot depending on warrenty08:39
DelvienDell support is free, no matter what/when or how you got your Dell product, But its not great support, 08:39
Delvienanyway enough about dell08:40
Delvien1ghz ? is it an older ibook ?08:40
ganymedso does anybody know about that kcotrol bug?08:40
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nondefaultwas a hand-me-down08:40
nondefaultcouple years old at least08:40
Delvienfree == always cool08:40
nondefaultwhich one ganymed?08:40
Delvienmy first laptop was a Pentium 2 200mhz :)08:40
ganymedso many, heh?08:41
Delvienganymed KDE is still more buggy than gnome :P 08:41
nondefaulti've been computing since 1977, mbut i got my first laptop in 2000. =)08:41
ganymedthat one where you cannot log in as admin08:41
Delvienmy first computer ever was a 386 with windows 3.1 ( i was 9 years old ) 08:42
ganymedi reinstalled kcontrol. it works... once or twice... and then i would have to reinstall again...08:42
Delvienganymed you running things as sudo ?08:42
nondefaultthat's super-hitech.  my first computer was a SWTPC 6800 runnign FlexOS.  It had 16 kilobytes of memory with the expansion card.08:42
Delvienlol !08:43
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Delvienim only 20 so technoligy was high tech"" when i was young08:43
nondefaultbut I was almost three. it was my dad's comoputer really, but i learned my alphabet on it08:43
ganymedi had enabled the super user.. but after having trouble i disabled it again... so the answer is yes, i am using sudo08:43
nondefaultamazing. i'm 29. =)08:43
Delvienganymed when you crash under sudo it messes with yout tmps, DO NOT run things as sudo, i have a problem on my comp i cant get rid of because that happend, but everything runs righ tnow08:44
nondefaultsudo is broken? good to know.  we use sudo for everything under os x08:44
ganymedbut how to use kcontrol then (the way it is meant by the developers)08:44
DelvienOS X is different08:45
DelvienOS X it was designed for that08:45
nondefaultso su all the way. got it08:45
Delvienganymed just dont do su or sudo, just type kcontrol08:45
nondefaultoh, either one?08:45
Delvienor access it through your GUI08:45
nondefaulteep08:45
ganymedthis mac os like ubuntu behaviour really pisses me of. plain unix behaviour would be no problem anyway08:45
nondefaultactually, delvien is saying it's totally different from a mac08:46
Delvienganyemed you didnt expect them to be the same did you ? :P08:46
ganymeddoesn't work. i enter the gui. then i click on admin mode and enter my passwd, and othing happens...08:46
Delvienganyemed did you just install ubuntu?08:47
ganymedoff08:47
ganymedkubuntu08:47
Delvienw/e08:47
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Delviendid you just install kubuntu?08:47
ganymedbreezy, few days ago. on my samsung nb08:47
Delviennb doesnt tell me anything08:47
ganymednotebook08:47
Delvienthank you08:47
ganymedplz :)08:47
Delvienso is this problem on your laptop ? or Desktop08:48
ganymedit's in the wiki i think... it's said to be a kde bug (but nobody really knows) and nobody knows how to fix it.08:48
Delvienganyemed i reinstalled and it worked for me08:49
Delvienits iffy at best when these bugs appear08:49
ganymedme, too. but it does work only couple of times... then it breakes again...08:49
nondefaultbugs are fun. i found a 14-year-old one the other day that still exists in an OS.08:49
Delvienoh you mean the bug called windows08:50
nondefaultno, this is in OS X.08:50
Delvienah :)08:50
nondefaultbut the bug came from NeXT08:50
nondefaultand was ported over verbatim08:50
DelvienI really dont get the hype on macs 08:50
nondefaultgood marketing08:50
ganymedyou know. the thing about windows is, since xp it IS a real OS. so competition...08:50
DelvienMac users get so excited about tiny features, that other computers have08:50
ganymedme  neither, but nextyear the whole mac stuff will be gone...08:51
Delvieni dont know i guess i never understood it08:51
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nondefaultheh ganymed. =)08:51
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ganymedyes, apple changes to i86... this is their perdition...08:51
DelvienVista looks promising, i was fortunate enough to be able to beta some of the content, Its MEDIA GALORE ! the only microsoft product i would have to say looks really good08:52
ganymedthey should stay where they are...08:52
nondefaultoooh, endian-ness changes, wooo, scary.08:52
ganymed?08:52
Delvienits very hard on your computer though , takes alot of memory, but thats still in beta08:52
nondefaultdarwin has run on intel forever. and NeXT has for a very long time08:53
ganymedbut i think it will be hard to crack for any linux desktop... microsoft is becoming "better"08:53
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Delvienganymed aye but there is always a hacker out there who knows his shit08:53
nondefaultyeah, competition has actually been  good for microsoft. forced them to get off their duffs.08:54
ganymedi just say, that apple has done great marketing and now, they directly have compete with windows08:54
ganymedthis is true... sadly08:54
nondefaultno, they still won't. apple won't support os x on generic hardware08:54
ganymedthey won't. i didn't know that... then not much will change.08:55
Delviennondefault and that will be their downfall08:55
nondefaultpeople will pirate it, but it wont work well pirated.08:55
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nondefaultunless people have the exact same hardware08:55
ganymedok. i have to listen to my lecture now.08:55
Delviennondefault some dell hackers got OSX to  run 08:55
nondefaultyeah, i read about that08:55
Delvienbut it runs on a 3k laptop08:55
Delviencrazy08:55
ganymedand try to solve this buggy kde stuff.... i should study computer science:(08:56
Delvienreverse engineering08:56
Delvien :P08:56
ganymedcu guys... ciao08:56
Delvienciao08:56
nondefaultlater gany08:56
Delviennondefault whats your bat life in osx08:56
nondefaulti get about 2 hours watching a dvd. but my battery is not very new.08:57
Delvienin winblowz i get about  3 hours and 40 mins on a 6cell batter ( cheapy batter ) 08:57
Delviennot bad, 08:57
Delvienfor an older laptop08:57
nondefaulti hear the shift to intel is to get better power efficiency on the new pentium-m08:57
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DelvienYep ive got Centrino with sonomah tech08:58
nondefaultso maybe next year's apples will do better.08:58
Delvien*shrug* no telling, but apples are expensive as hell 08:58
nondefaultnot so much. 12" powerbooks are 99908:58
nondefaulti mean iBooks08:58
Delvienwhat about hte 17''08:58
raphinkwow taht's a big apple !08:59
Delvienyou have to look at the specs as well08:59
nondefaultyes, 17" have a premium. =) apple charges too much for screens08:59
raphinknot very natural I guess :p08:59
Delvienmines not an apple, but i have a 15.4 wide screen 08:59
nondefaulti would be scared by fruit that big raphael. =)08:59
nondefaulterr, raphink08:59
nondefaultwidescreen is nice. i like mine09:00
raphinknondefault: you're the first one to find my name so obvious in my nick 09:00
DelvienWell guys i gotta get to bed, big day tomorrow : /09:00
raphinkbig day today ;)09:00
Delvienl8ter 09:00
nondefaultk, g'night.09:00
Delvienerr yeah09:00
raphinknight09:01
nondefaultcool, Google supports Nova09:03
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nondefaultguten tag manveru09:03
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_manverumoin nondefault 09:05
kamaleon1982hello09:05
_manveruhey kamaleon198209:05
kamaleon1982bahh!!!09:05
kamaleon1982:(09:06
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_manveruhm?09:10
SeverianHowdy, I am looking for a concise guide to what packages are needed to develop qt apps.  It is for someone asking about it in the #ubuntu channel.  Can anyone here point me to such a document?  Or, is it reasonable to point the guy over here?09:10
_manveruisn't there a #qt channel?09:11
insanekaneSeverian: libqt3-mt, and qt3-dev i think09:12
_manverui guess kdevelop has everything needed09:12
SeverianSo there is.  Thank you.  I'll ask over there.  I missed libqt3-mt in my suggestions I'll tell him about that, too.09:12
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SeverianThank y'all  09:15
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fdelacruzhi guys09:19
fdelacruzfirst time user of kubuntu need help in configuring network09:20
tvohi fdelacruz 09:20
hanseaticmoin moin 'n hello09:20
fdelacruzhi tvo 09:20
tvohi hanseatic 09:21
fdelacruzjust want to ask how can i edit my network09:21
hanseaticfdel... ask your question09:21
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hanseaticfdel it should be setup automatically if there is a dhcp in your network09:21
fdelacruzhanseatic I don't have dhcp server and want to use static IP09:22
hanseaticfdel if not, there is the command ifconfig09:22
hanseaticor are you talking bout windows network environment?09:23
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raphinkfdelacruz: open systemsettings09:23
raphinkand go to Internet and Networks -> Networks settings09:24
fdelacruzI already try that using GUI but everytime I apply the new seting it goes to its original setup09:24
raphinkhmmm09:25
hanseaticthere is a bug, that it does not connect to kdesu09:25
raphinkfdelacruz: type `cat /etc/network/interfaces' in a terminal09:25
raphinkand paste the result in the pastebin (see topic)09:25
hanseaticraphael it is probably cause he cant sudo the settings ;o)09:26
hanseaticraphink... sry09:26
fdelacruzand one morething when the service is always failed when I restart 09:26
fdelacruznetworking service is always failed when I stop and restart09:27
raphinkfdelacruz: did you do what I told you?09:27
fdelacruzwait 09:27
fdelacruzmy kubuntu is on my other machine09:27
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raphinkwb nondefault 09:30
nondefaultthanks09:31
nondefaultit's been so long since I seriously used irc, i has no idea /list was such a bad idea09:31
raphinkespecially on freenode09:31
raphinklol09:31
hanseaticfdel can you start adept sucessfully after triing to set the system settings in admin mode?09:31
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mth`MAWMoin09:34
raphinkmoin?09:34
raphinkplu!09:34
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hanseatici have folowed the howto for installing the radeon driver....now how do i see if it worked.... when i look into the infocenter the open-gl tab still sees mesa09:35
fdelacruzhans wait09:35
hanseaticmoin moin.... english channel ;o)09:35
mth`MAWSorry, wrong channel, wrong language....09:35
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mth`MAWGood morning Ladies an getlemen09:35
hanseaticfdel wait for what?09:35
nondefaultheh, ladies.09:36
mth`MAWNo my name is (suprise) not Hanse09:36
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mth`MAWHans09:36
opI have two routers in my house one is a netgear and i have some computers on that one and then i have a linksys that came with my Voice over ip and i have a linux system on that one does anyone know how i can get the other computers to access my linux box on the other router. Could i use samba. or do they all have to be part of the same workgroup?09:37
nondefaultdepends on how the routers are configured09:37
nondefaultis everything on the same subnet?09:38
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nondefaulti mean, theoretically if you use the right addressing scheme, it should work as long as you know the addresses09:39
opno it is not the voice over ip router will not let me disable rounting on it so everything on it has a different ip as the other router but it is using the other rounter as it's own dns server09:39
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nondefaultok so two subnets.  and traffic is routed from one to the other?09:40
opyeah09:40
nondefaultI would think it would work if you specify addresses explicitly but maybe things would not show up in network neighborhood or equivalent09:40
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opmmm yeah that is what is happening right now i will keep playingwith it and i may need toredo the way the networks are setup to get rid of one of the subnets09:42
thomashey09:48
fdelacruzguys what do you mean by You have to type an alias first09:48
fdelacruzIm adding DNS server using GUI09:48
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sampandoes anyone know how to get firefox to print (say, text emails) at a reasonable font-size?  it's like 20 pt and bold -- can't even fit 80 character space email lines on one line of page space :/ 09:50
raphinklol09:51
sampani've fiddled with the font settings in firefox and kde (and tried printing in opera and konq -- both of those print reasonable size, looks like 12 pt, but still bold)09:51
raphinkthat's terrible09:51
raphinkI don't use firefox anymore ;)09:51
sampanlol -- well i'm not gonna be using it for emails if i can't get it to print decently -- it's doing emails like banner-sized :X09:51
raphinkwhy don' tyou use kontact for emails?09:52
fdelacruzguys why does the networking service does not stop or should I say the services couldnot stop and restart09:52
raphinkfdelacruz: I asked you to give me a few infos09:52
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raphinkdid you get them?09:52
sampanraphink  because my wife and i use a web-based email since we check it from multiple systems in multiple geographical locations09:53
raphinkhmm so do I sampan 09:53
raphinkI use gmail so I can check it anywhere09:53
raphinkstill I get them on kontact ;)09:53
raphinkand I leave them on the server09:53
fdelacruzraphink, In already edit the networking using GUI i use the kcontrol but my problem now is when I try to restart the networking service it always failed09:54
sampan*nod*  that would be a workaround (for us), but still it would be nice to have an application actually function as it should instead of having to use another application to do the same job09:54
raphinkI know that fdelacruz 09:54
raphinkand that is why I asked you to paste your /etc/network/interfaces in the pastebin09:54
raphinksampan: konqueror won't do ?09:55
fdelacruzhow can I do that my kubuntu machine cannot access internet09:55
sampanraphink, both konq and opera print at a reasonable font size (about 12 pt), but it's still heavy-bold09:55
sampanand i've fiddled with their font/appearance and kde settings and can't get them to stop doing that either -- very strange09:56
fdelacruzk thi is my /etc/networking/interfaces09:56
raphinknot here fdelacruz 09:56
raphinknot here09:56
fdelacruzwhere?09:56
raphinkpaste it to the pastebin09:56
raphinksee topic09:56
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raphinkhttp://kubuntu.pastebin.com09:57
fdelacruzktrying to access pastebin09:57
nondefaultwhoa, that pastebin site looks extremely useful09:57
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fdelacruzhttp://kubuntu.pastebin.com/414560 raphink kindly check this10:02
raphinkwait a min10:05
raphinkfdelacruz: no link but do you have a good reason not to use a C-class network?10:06
fdelacruzactually I replace that ip for security reason 10:06
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fdelacruzmy ip is public10:07
raphinkyour computer's ip can't be public10:07
raphinkif you're behind a router10:07
raphink:s10:07
raphinkif you get the ip from the router10:07
fdelacruzso waht will be the format of my /etc/networking/interfaces10:07
raphinkand it works as a bridge10:07
raphinkthen you should use automatic ip10:07
raphinkinstead of fix10:07
raphinkwhat exactly do yo uhave fdelacruz ?10:08
raphinkyou have a computer behind a router right?10:08
fdelacruzno raphink I dont have router my ip is static that my isp provided me10:08
raphinkhow do you connect to the internet fdelacruz ?10:08
fdelacruzno my kubuntu is directly to my dsl modem10:08
raphinkyes so you use a dsl modem10:09
raphinkwhat kind of dsl modem?10:09
raphinkPPPoE ? PPPoA ?10:09
raphinkDHCP?10:09
fdelacruzdsl with static IP async10:10
raphinkfdelacruz: your DSL modem gets the static IP and works as a bridge right?10:10
fdelacruzyes10:10
raphinkdo you need to identify?10:10
fdelacruzwhat specif IP?10:10
fdelacruzactually I did same setup with my ubuntu and works properly10:11
raphinkfdelacruz: do you have an identification (user and passwd) to connect to the internet?10:11
raphinkhmmm10:11
raphinkfdelacruz: on the same machine?10:11
raphinkfdelacruz: you could use the /etc/network/interfaces from your ubuntu then10:12
raphinkif it works ;)10:12
fdelacruzno I dont need to supply username and password once I use the specific ip I can already connect to internet as I use with my ubuntu machine10:12
fdelacruzyes raphink it works with my ubuntu10:13
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raphinkthen copy your /etc/network/interfaces ;)10:13
fdelacruzraph I already reinstall my machine with Kubuntu10:13
raphinkyou reinstalled?10:13
raphinkhmm10:13
papasalut10:13
raphinkkubuntu is not differnet from ubuntu fdelacruz 10:14
raphinkpapa: /join #kubuntu-fr10:14
raphinkfdelacruz: there's no need to reinstall when you want to switch from ubuntu to kubuntu10:14
raphinkjust install more packages10:14
fdelacruz'yeah I know but when configuring the network setup thats the time im having a problem10:15
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Cheapyaw10:17
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Cheapycan't unmount cdrom10:17
Cheapywhile installing ut200410:17
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Cheapycan't unmount cdrom drive at all10:21
Cheapysays it's busy10:21
Cheapybut it's not10:21
Cheapyhrm10:21
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_lexhideranyone recommend a bittorrent client?10:23
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raphink_lexhider: qtorrent or bittornado10:23
Tm_TKtorrent (trunk!)10:23
Cheapyi did a force unmount, but that didn't eject the drive either10:25
aftertafCheapy> youre not in /media/cdrom or /cdrom in the console?10:26
Cheapythat's the prob? hm10:26
Cheapycool it's working, thanks10:28
aftertafhehe ;)10:28
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nondefaulti like azureus for bittorrent10:31
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Luenhi10:36
chakie_workhm, is there a dvd iso for breezy?10:36
Luendo you know a free VMware like software10:36
crimsunchakie_work: yes10:37
chakie_workcrimsun: great, will have to download today and give this old fedora some new blood^Wbits10:38
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NutterUKwww.badgerbadgerbadger.com rocks10:41
verden01why10:42
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chakie_workis cdimage.ubuntu.com dead?10:55
chakie_workah no, now it showed up10:55
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hanseatici am triing to setup 3d support for my ati radeon mobility M6 LY. when i use the fglrxconfig it reports that none of the supported garphic cards are found11:15
hanseaticthe original xorg.conf has got an Identifier"ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon Mobility 9000 (M6 LY)"11:16
hanseaticline though11:16
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cryptomhi, how can I administrate cups printers in kubuntu (when I connect to localhost:631 it wants a root pwd I have not set)11:40
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mth`MAWalt+f2 kcontrol -> printers ?!11:41
cryptommth`MAW, thanks, I forgot the control center... used to work with wmaker before ;-)11:42
mth`MAWnp11:43
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^rob^hi11:44
^rob^what;s this? - err on apt-get update!11:45
^rob^W: GPG error: ... key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088  W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems11:45
^rob^this is on apt-get update 11:45
Tm_TW as warning11:46
Tm_Tignore it11:46
^rob^ok ty11:47
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^rob^i want to upgrade kde to 3.4.3 11:48
^rob^;)11:48
^rob^anyone use 3.4.3 ?11:48
blueman0131 am turkey 11:48
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Tm_T3.5 here11:48
bluemanhello11:48
=== blueman selam
^rob^Tm_T: 3.5 is beta 2 :)11:48
^rob^i preffer stable one11:48
bluemanam0131n0131za koyay0131m m013111:48
blueman??11:48
^rob^Tm_T: any problems in 3.5 ?11:48
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Tm_T^rob^: not to me11:48
=== blueman rob
blueman?11:49
^rob^yes11:49
=== blueman 0131 am not english
=== blueman :D
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^rob^blueman : use no collors man11:49
^rob^i'm not english neither! :)11:49
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bluemanrob11:50
^rob^(12:48:46) blueman: am0131n0131za koyay0131m m013111:50
^rob^you see that in collor?11:50
blueman:D 11:50
^rob^i see codes of collor before11:50
bluemanrob no speak english11:51
Chameleon22trying to use kaudiocreator and it needs lame, apt-cache doesnt seem to know wtf lame is. Does anyone know what pkg lame is in ?11:51
^rob^Tm_T: so ... any problems in 3.5 - major ones11:51
Tm_T^rob^: not here, some people keep whining though ;-P11:51
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^rob^Chameleon22: do you have universe and multiverse on your apt ?11:51
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Chameleon22^rob^, certainly do 11:51
bluemanhow are you rob ???11:52
blueman:) 11:52
^rob^apt-cache search lame11:52
^rob^...11:52
^rob^ lame - LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder11:52
^rob^blueman ty - fine - you?11:52
Chameleon22^rob^, let me rephrase this... la la la i am a spazz, had it comented it out 11:52
Chameleon22lol11:52
bluemanfine thank ron thank you11:53
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Chameleon22^rob^, always overlook the simplest solutions. thanks11:53
^rob^blueman - good then - we're both fine :)11:53
=== blueman rob where are you from rob ???
^rob^Chameleon22: you-re welcome :)11:53
^rob^blueman: near you - romania :)11:53
bluemanohhhh11:54
^rob^blueman: if i look at the window - I might see you - lol11:54
^rob^anyone has laser carver on linux?11:54
^rob^i mean laser engraver11:54
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bluemanhow old are you rob ?11:56
^rob^32 - you?11:56
blueman18 11:56
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^rob^My isp is using DHCP from tomorow - no more fixed ip allowed - how do i change the setting that my netcard to use dhcp instead fixed ip ???11:57
bluemanthis place an romania canal  wonder rob ????11:58
bluemanto know rob11:59
blueman?11:59
^rob^ammm... i don't quite understand your question! - can you be more specific?11:59
^rob^you asked if... this channel is a romanian one? - or else.11:59
bluemanoke  about rob 0131 am  departureeee12:02
bluemanbyeeee12:02
bluemanrob12:02
blueman:) 12:02
^rob^bye12:02
^rob^:)12:02
bluemanbyee romania12:02
^rob^bye turkey! :)12:02
bluemanheheeh12:02
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^rob^so12:03
^rob^can anybody help me with dhcp?12:03
^rob^nevermind, i have found the answer on http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-82258.html :)12:05
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migliaall my apt-get update server addresses are resolving to 1.0.0.0, does anyone know why they might be doing this ?12:23
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propagandhimiglia: have you looked at the sources.list12:24
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stratovariushey guys12:25
migliayes the addresses are all like: eb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted12:26
stratovariusI'm still trying to install nvidia drivers on my kubuntu breezy (kernel 2.6.12-9-386). nvidia installer says me unable to load nvidia.ko etc ehat can I do?12:26
stratovarius*what12:26
migliait's just when apt-get update is invoked it says: 50% [Connecting to gb.archive.ubuntu.com (1.0.0.0)12:26
stratovariusnobody can help me pls?12:28
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manverustratovarius: why build your own driver?12:35
stratovariusmanveru: what shiuld I do?12:35
manverustratovarius: well, you tried doing it the std-way?12:37
stratovariusstd-way???12:37
manverustratovarius: as far as i can remember you tried it... did something bad happen?12:37
manverustratovarius: standard, ie - like the wiki says12:37
stratovariusyes12:37
stratovariusmanveru12:37
stratovariuswait for a while12:38
manveruk12:38
manverudoing random things, so just ping me and i'm there12:38
stratovariusmaybe I solved my problem12:39
stratovariusmanvru I downloaded kernel sources woith adept12:39
stratovariuswhere did it download them?12:39
manveruyou need the location of the source?12:40
stratovariusye12:40
stratovariusyes I do12:40
manveruopportunity to learn something new for me :)12:40
manveruhowto find out where a deb puts its files12:41
stratovariusI think in /usr/src12:41
manveruyeah, this should be it12:41
manverubut maybe /usr/share12:41
apokryphosmanveru: dpkg -c12:42
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manveruthis is only when you have got the deb, right?12:43
manveruwhen i do a dpkg -l *kernel* i get the kernel-header-files is installed12:43
manverunow, how do i query the kernel-header-files?12:44
apokryphosmanveru: eh? Query them?12:45
manveruget information about it12:45
manveruwhat files are in there, versions, maintainers...12:45
manveruah -L12:45
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apokryphosyes, if you have the deb. If you don't, then you'll need to be using apt-cache12:46
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migliahi folks, sorry to bother, but I have another problem12:49
migliaThe DNS resolving does not seem to work in some programs12:50
miglia"ping" works fine and can resolve any address12:50
migliakonqueror is also fine12:50
migliabut mozilla cannot resolve www.google.com, although 66.249.93.104 works fine...12:50
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miglia( 66.249.93.104 is the IP address of google as discovered by ping12:51
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rikvamiglia: what does "nslookup google.com" say?12:58
JuerdGoogle has some dns and routing problems at the moment01:03
JuerdIt's probably best to pick other examples :)01:03
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sikor_sxehow come i can't install some packages in adept01:07
sikor_sxelike the kasablanca package, i click install and nothing happens01:07
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cryptomis it possible to configure kde to switch workspaces like it is done in windowmaker (Alt-1, Alt-2, ...)?01:18
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apokryphoscryptom: yes; edit the shortcut from systemsettings -> regional accessibility01:25
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cryptomapokryphos, thanks, I will try01:26
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cryptomapokryphos, well, its not possible to assign alt-1 to the first workspace, alt-2 to the second, ... (only alt-1 next or previous, left, right, ?!up, down)01:29
apokryphoscryptom: nope; change to the Shortcut Sequences tab01:29
cryptomapokryphos, sorry, found it!01:29
apokryphos=)01:29
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memdatacorehi guys ...01:31
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sirenare there other possibilities to remote control an kubuntu pc than vnc?01:33
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aftertafsiren> ssh01:46
aftertafsiren> depends what you want to remote control exactly.01:46
r_sirenthe complete GUI .. similar to VNC01:48
sikor_sxeuhm01:48
sikor_sxewhat about that remote kde thing?01:48
sikor_sxeNX or something01:48
r_sirenit suxs! :) 01:49
r_sirenits runs, but you can work proper..01:49
sikor_sxe:/01:50
aftertafr_siren> or wth ssh, you run X apps that way, even login via kdm that way.01:50
aftertafis it for a remote assistance type of thing?01:50
r_sirenhow to do that exactly?01:51
r_sirenyeah, it is01:51
aftertafr_siren> remote assistance thing? dont know. you can remote login as linux is true multiuser. cant you use vnc for what you do?01:52
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sikor_sxei can't install the kde devel packages on breezy, 01:53
sikor_sxei got kdelibs4c2 installed01:53
sikor_sxeand there's no dev package for that01:54
apokryphossikor_sxe: install kde-devel01:54
sikor_sxewhen i choose kde-devel or kdelibs4-dev it breaks install01:54
apokryphoswhat error?01:54
sikor_sxeit says BREAK (install)01:54
sikor_sxeand won't perform the update01:55
sikor_sxeoverall i have the impression that kubuntu breezy is a bit rushed01:58
sikor_sxethere are flaws everywhere01:58
apokryphossikor_sxe: I'm sure it says much more than that01:58
Strike4ceHow do I stop x in kubuntu?01:59
apokryphossikor_sxe: err, what other flaws everywhere?01:59
apokryphosand I'm not convinced that what you say is a flaw at all01:59
apokryphosnever heard your problem before, and suffice it to say a lot of people have needed to install the kde headers. I'm more inclined to think that the problem is on your end01:59
Strike4ceapokryphos how do I stop X?01:59
sikor_sxewell kdesu crashes al the time01:59
apokryphosStrike4ce: logout, then ctrl+alt+backspace01:59
apokryphossikor_sxe: crashes? When?01:59
apokryphosagain, never heard of that02:00
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Strike4ceapokryphos that takes ne back to the login screen02:00
sikor_sxeapokryphos: after i type the password nothing happes02:00
sikor_sxehappens02:00
sikor_sxei have to kill kdesu manually02:00
apokryphosStrike4ce: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop02:00
aftertafapokryphos> true, times when that happens... and a few ppl have mentioned it02:00
sikor_sxeand then run adept again02:00
Strike4cectrl alt f1 then that command apokryphos?02:01
apokryphossikor_sxe: run it from a terminal and then pastebin the output02:01
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apokryphosStrike4ce: no need to, but sure02:01
sikor_sxefrom terminal it usually works02:01
sikor_sxei had this yin hoary 02:02
sikor_sxei had this yet in hoary 02:02
Strike4ceapokryphos now it is stuck on checking battery state02:03
aftertafStrike4ce> no it isnt, it seems to be...02:04
Strike4ceapokryphos how about init 3 and then init 502:04
aftertafStrike4ce> press Alt + F102:04
apokryphosStrike4ce: what?02:04
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sikor_sxeapokryphos: i can't use almost every root config tool in system settings, aswell. there's just a blank widget after entering the administrator mode. anyway, but that's not the issue right now. i need to install kde headers. surprisingly, kde is *not* installed, says adept.02:04
aftertafapokryphos> it does that sometimes... shows the last part of the bootup info instead of a login prompt02:04
sikor_sxeso i guess that's why installing kde-devel fails02:04
Strike4ceaftertaf k display manager is not running. Does that mean X is stopped?02:05
apokryphossikor_sxe: (i) are you on i386; (ii) how did you install kubuntu?02:05
aftertafStrike4ce> not necessarily, you can run 1 without the ther02:05
aftertaf*other02:05
Strike4ceHow do I completely kill x?02:05
aftertafStrike4ce> but in our case, probably02:05
aftertafStrike4ce> did you login to console?02:05
apokryphossikor_sxe: no, just not having kde wouldn't make installing kde-devel fail. Remember, apt resolves depends02:05
Strike4ceyes02:05
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aftertafStrike4ce> ok. type ps -A and see if you have xorg running02:06
aftertafis so, X is running, if not you're fine.02:06
ubuntuis there a way to have write access with the live-cd?02:06
Strike4cea bunch of stuff popped up aftertaf02:07
aftertafubuntu> to a HDD? yes, unmount it and remount with rw access02:07
sikor_sxeapokryphos: ok, when i select kde-devel there's a red "BREAK (install)" written in the action tab02:07
aftertafStrike4ce> hehe all your running processes.   02:07
apokryphossikor_sxe: sudo apt-get install kde-devel, then pastebin the output02:07
aftertafStrike4ce> you can pause it screen by screen, or just filter for xorg.02:07
sikor_sxeok02:07
Strike4ceso those should not be running?02:07
aftertafStrike4ce>  1) ps -A | more    2) ps -A | grep xorg02:08
aftertafStrike4ce> yes they should, a lot of things run even when X doesnt.02:08
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ubuntushadowfs: the problem is that i don't see the second hd listed02:09
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sikor_sxeapokryphos: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/41469402:10
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aftertafubuntu> type  'mount' to see what is mounted...... and fdisk -l to see what partitions you have avaliable02:10
apokryphossikor_sxe: did you upgrade from hoary?02:10
sikor_sxeapokryphos: yep02:10
apokryphossounds like another case of someone who didn't upgrade properly02:10
apokryphosyou're meant to have kubuntu-desktop installed before you dist-upgrade02:11
sikor_sxehmm02:11
aftertafhmmm :)02:11
sikor_sxei followed directions on te homepage, and everything went smooth02:11
apokryphossikor_sxe: link?02:12
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sikor_sxeto the directions?02:12
apokryphosyes02:13
ubuntuaftertaf: the disk i want mounted is not in mount, but it is in sudo fdisk -l02:13
sikor_sxeit was on the kubuntu breezy release info page, 1 secc02:13
sikor_sxehttp://kubuntu.org/announcements/breezy-release.php02:14
apokryphoshm, if you mean the Announcement page, doesn't seem to be mentioned02:14
apokryphosgah02:14
sikor_sxei updated from kubuntu hoary02:14
sikor_sxenot from ubuntu02:14
ubuntuaftertaf: and when i try to umount and remount sda1 (the files i want to backup), it says drive busy02:15
apokryphossikor_sxe: you still should have buntu-desktop before upgrading02:15
ubuntuproblem background: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8493602:15
Strike4cehow do I go about testing my X.org configuration?02:16
Strike4ceaftertaf you know?02:17
Strike4ceapokryphos do you know how to test x.org configuration?02:17
apokryphostry starting X, obviously02:18
Strike4cenevermind LOL02:18
apokryphossikor_sxe: what I would do is strip all desktop things from your computer, then install kubuntu-desktop02:18
Strike4ceDamn some of this stuff is so obvious if I actually read. Sorry people02:19
apokryphossikor_sxe: you can use debfoster (install it, then debfoster --help), and use it in conjugation with the ubuntu-base metapackage02:19
apokryphosgotta go now; will help later if I'm around02:19
sikor_sxethanks alot02:19
aftertafStrike4ce> hehe startx02:21
aftertafubuntu> ok. for sda1, make sure you close all windows using it, and change dirs if you are in sda1 in console.02:21
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aftertafubuntu> the fdisk -l partition, what is it and what fstype is it?02:21
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spiralhi02:22
aftertafreboujou spiral02:22
spiralaftertaf: ;-)02:23
ubuntuafteraf: sda1 was my / linux ext3 disk02:23
Riddellpaulproteus: they changed the ubuntu-artwork without telling anyone02:23
ubuntuincluded /home, where i want to make a backup from02:24
aftertafubuntu> erf really? / disk?   is that cos of live cd?02:24
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aftertafubuntu> sda1 is a fixed HD or a usb key?02:24
ubuntuaftertaf: no it was / when kubuntu did run on it, but now adept did a poor job of deleting packages (see forum linf for info)02:25
aftertafok and you want to do what to it?02:25
ubuntuaftertaf: fixed02:25
aftertafhehe ok. need to read forum still ?02:26
ubuntuaftertaf: i want to read some files from it and backup on my second(not listed partition)02:26
ubuntuaftertaf: maybe you have a better idea to save me from loosing data02:27
aftertafubuntu> ok. you should have read acess at least then.02:27
ubuntuaftertaf: i have, but i can not find my files in /home02:28
aftertafubuntu> were they on the same partition?02:28
ubuntuas /? yes02:28
aftertafand you cant find them?   how is sda1 mounted?02:29
aftertafpaste the 1 line for sda1 you get when typing mount02:29
mornfallubuntu: uh-oh... are you -sure- it didn't list anything else in preview changes?02:30
ubuntuaftertaf: it's called /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot i think02:30
mornfallubuntu: that *shouldn't* happen02:30
ubuntumornfall: absolutely02:30
ubuntui know, hehe02:31
ubuntuaftertaf: /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot on / type auto (rw,noatime) is the disk listed in media:/02:31
ubuntuaftertaf: but it looks like a different disk then my original /dev/sda102:32
aftertafhmmm.02:33
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aftertafubuntu> not 100% sure its mounted your original HDD.. dunno why, but i cant see why it would mount it as sda1. maybe its a ram snapshot used bu the live cd....02:33
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Kamping_Kaisercan you #flood the output of 'mount' and 'cat /proc/partitions' ubuntu?02:34
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mornfalltrying to remove libc6 with adept lists about 1200 removals in preview02:34
mornfallhmm02:34
Kamping_Kaiserhi mez02:34
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Kamping_Kaiserremoving libc? o_)02:35
Kamping_Kaisero_002:35
Mezmorning02:35
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mornfalljust testing preview02:35
Kamping_Kaiser:)02:35
aftertafmorning Mez 02:36
fatbrainWhat can I *put* in the /var folder?02:37
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mornfallfatbrain: usually, system puts things there :)02:37
aftertaffatbrain> normally you shouldnt put anything.02:37
ubuntumornfall: i intalled the libc6 from packages.debian.org over the ubuntu package because i needed a newer package for libtorrent/rtorrent, after that i remove it and it went "crazy"02:37
aftertafubuntu> that wont ave helped.02:38
mornfallubuntu: oh lord02:38
Kamping_Kaiserfatbrain in www usualy put websites02:38
aftertafnon ubuntu system packages can seriously damage your health02:38
Kamping_Kaiserwoow.....02:38
fatbrainKamping_Kaiser: yeah, that was my follow-up question (apache example had a www in /var) :)02:38
Kamping_Kaiser:)02:38
ubuntuaftertaf: i learned that the hard way i think :p02:38
aftertafhehe ubuntu yep.02:38
mornfallubuntu: i'm not too surprized it removed lots of stuff... however, i am still surprized about the preview02:38
Kamping_Kaiserfatbrain, itmay however be more worth your while using your public_html dir02:39
aftertafubuntu> mount your home, back it up and reinstall dude02:39
mornfallubuntu: (downgrading glibc is usually done with dpkg :))02:39
Kamping_Kaiserand maby using apache to alias /var/www/ to ~/public_html02:39
fatbrainKamping_Kaiser: care to elaborate?02:39
aftertafubuntu> thats a point, is dpkg still on your system?02:39
fatbrainKamping_Kaiser: ah, gotcha02:39
mornfallaftertaf: c'mon, this debian installation survived since woody was new, including dpkg and debconf database corruption02:39
aftertafubuntu> you said apt was gone, but if dpkg is still there...02:39
mornfallaftertaf: it's not hard to recover debian :))02:39
Kamping_Kaisermornfall: but it's not alwasy fun ;)02:40
aftertafmornfall> hehe... depends on what/who you know02:40
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Kamping_Kaiseraftertaf: as long as you have a working apt+dpkg, it's reasonably easy02:40
ubuntuaftertaf: i have to look for dpkg, but then i still have to download lots of packages by hand am i?02:40
aftertafKamping_Kaiser> true02:40
aftertafubuntu> nope... /var/cache/apt02:41
mornfallyou can do it offline02:41
aftertafreinstall apt with it :)02:41
mornfallnot much of a problem02:41
Kamping_Kaiseraftertaf: try sudo apt-get --purge remove apt-* and see the warning mesage you get ;)02:41
Strike4ceaftertaf do you know how I can get into menu config?02:41
aftertafStrike4ce> which menus?02:41
mornfallKamping_Kaiser: the problem is probably that adept is not exactly unhappy about removing essential packages :P02:42
Strike4cekernel source02:42
aftertaflol mornfall a wishlist for version 1.1 ?02:42
mornfallKamping_Kaiser: interestingly enough, only very few people got bitten02:42
Kamping_Kaisermornfall: lol. true enough02:42
mornfallaftertaf: 1.1 will be alpha for 2.0 i suppose... but yeah02:42
aftertafStrike4ce> ok you want to make your own kernel? ever done it?02:42
Kamping_Kaisermornfall: what have people been doing?02:43
ubuntuaftertaf: so i look for an apt-get package in /var/cache/apt and install that? if it's not there i can download it from terminal?02:43
aftertafubuntu> not apt get.... apt.02:43
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aftertafiirc02:43
mornfallKamping_Kaiser: well, generally essential packages take lots of your system with them... you'd have to ignore preview and statusbar to get bitten :)02:43
mornfallKamping_Kaiser: some people obviously do02:43
Strike4ceaftertaf shouldnt the Official ATI drivers work with the current kernel?02:43
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aftertafmornfall> we need a cancel button when adept goes to work ;)02:44
Kamping_Kaisermornfall: oh i see what you mean ;)02:44
aftertafStrike4ce> ahh. nasty. they should... but im not an expert on that.02:44
Kamping_Kaiseraftertaf: use apt  ;) ctrl+c02:44
aftertafKamping_Kaiser> i do, an ;)02:44
aftertaf*man02:44
ubuntuaftertaf: good you say that ;) trying and back in some time...    big thanks guys02:44
Kamping_Kaiser:D02:44
Kamping_Kaiseri know02:44
aftertafubuntu> boot02:45
mornfallyou may want to know ctrl+c works in adept too.... or at least it should ;-)02:45
aftertafoops.02:45
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aftertafmornfall> hehe ok good to know....02:45
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Kamping_Kaiseronly seen it once :)02:45
Strike4ceok how do I compile the kernel source?02:45
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mornfallaftertaf: yep, hitting ctrl+c will give you a nice dialog saying "there was a problem commiting changes" :)02:46
aftertafhehe02:46
mornfallit's sort of obvious ;-)02:46
Kamping_Kaisercool. 02:46
_stratovariusI've a  nvidia tnt2 64 video card and I need its drivers for linux.where can I foind them? I've an amd athlon xp 1600 32 bit02:46
Kamping_KaiserStrike4ce: i can only say wiki or less README :(02:46
Kamping_Kaiserboth are "good"02:46
Kamping_Kaiser_stratovarius: nVIDIA-glx-legacy02:47
mornfallwell, you -can- crash (SIGABRT) it that way, too :)02:47
aftertafStrike4ce> best way is with make kpkg...02:47
Strike4ce!wiki02:47
aftertafmornfall> lol... new users will be happy ;)02:47
Kamping_Kaiserkill -11 adept02:48
mornfallaftertaf: see, ctrl+c will break things with apt too...02:48
Kamping_Kaiser;)02:48
mornfallaftertaf: i guess i just forgot one try {} block somewhere =)02:48
mornfallaftertaf: (SIGABRT = unhandled exception, at least with adept)02:48
aftertafloool.   02:48
aftertaf know about apt though ;)02:48
Kamping_Kaiserlol02:48
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mornfallmaybe i should make a catch-all handler that'd be nicer than throwing sigabrt02:49
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Kamping_Kaiserheh.02:50
annetteSalve, ho istallato ubuntu, ma non riesco a configurare la stampante e il modem02:50
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annettequalchuno pu aiutarmi?02:50
aftertafStrike4ce> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4306502:50
aftertaf!it02:50
ubotuitaliano es #ubuntu-it per favore, andiamo! Grazi ... prego! :-)02:50
aftertafcant configure printer and modem?02:51
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_justinhi everyone02:51
Kamping_Kaiserhi _justin02:51
_justincan someone help me with a workgroup issue in samba?02:51
Kamping_Kaiserpeople can try :)02:52
mornfallmaybe a samba expert?02:52
Kamping_Kaiseri don't use it, so i probably cant help02:52
_justinok, well its simple, how do you configure the samba workgroup in Kubuntu?02:53
_justinbecause manually editing the smb.conf file like other versions of linux doesn't seem to work02:53
annetteI installed Kubuntu but I don't know how to install the modem and the printer. Can someone help me, please?02:54
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_justinwhat type of modem do you have? (Internal or External)02:55
annetteinternal 02:55
_justinah well, first of all you will need to identify the chipset on the modem? as well as knowing if it is a hardware or software modem02:56
_justinmost common chipsets are the Agere, Motorola, Conexant and Ambient02:56
annetteI have Conexant02:56
_justini don't recommend using an internal modem at all on any linux system, um, how are you on the net then?02:57
_justinhas it been identified in the hardware profile?02:57
annetteI am using the Lan of a friend 02:57
_justingoto your kmenu-> System -> Info Centre02:58
annetteit has not been identified in any hardware profile02:58
aftertaflspci show anything?02:58
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_justingoto PCI devices and check if your modem is in the list, it is the same list generated by lspci03:00
_justinso how abouts this workgroup issue? any ideas?03:00
annetteNo i don't see anything about a modem03:01
_justindo you know how to get into konsole?03:01
_justinand run lspci?03:01
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_justinif so open up your terminal service03:02
BlankC_justin: what is your workgroup issue?03:02
_justinthen run lspci > pci.txt03:02
annetteit's my first time with Linux, so I don't konow a thing!03:02
aftertafannette> dont worry...... it can only get better then ;)03:03
_justinkubunto doesn't seem to have a way of setting the workgroup03:03
annette:-)03:03
_justinapart from the usual method of editing the smb.conf file, and that didn't work for me either03:03
_justinok03:03
annettethnks for the encouraging words03:03
ubuntusome people left who followed my questions 10 minutes back?03:03
BlankC_justin: what happens when you edit the file?03:04
_justinedit the file as su, then saves ok, but still won't identify on the workgroup03:04
_justinunless of course ubunto has an alternate configuration file i don't know about03:04
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ubuntui tried and there is no apt package in /var/cache/apt/archives/  Can i download apt from terminal?03:05
BlankC_justin: /etc/samba/smb.conf03:05
_justinannette : kmenu->System->Terminal Program (Konsole)03:05
aftertafubuntu> were still here03:05
_justinthats the one i edited03:05
BlankCyou just want to change workgroup = WHATEVER ?03:06
ubuntuaftertaf: :)  i know there is wget, i only dunno the URL and the right command for it. What you think?03:06
aftertafubuntu> weird... i dont know enough to help you if you dont have the packages....03:07
aftertafmaybe run baseinstall?03:07
_justinyes done that though set workgroup = blan03:07
_justinsaved and rebooted03:07
_justinstill nothing03:07
annetteFrom where can I unload a package?03:07
BlankCdont have to reboot. just do: sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart03:08
_justinPackage Manager03:08
BlankC_justin: does the machine still appear on older workgroup after you change its workgroup = name?03:08
ubuntuaftertaf: baseinstall is the server installation? that's an idea... is there a way to keep the /home directory? (same partition)03:09
_justinno, haven't had it on the network before, can view the workgroups but can't share files03:09
aftertafubuntu> make a backup first.....03:09
_justinor id the system, i installed the samba and nfs servers as wel03:09
aftertafubuntu> did you pastebin fdisk -l ?03:10
BlankC_justin: did you create a share in the smb.conf file?03:10
_justinhmmmm, no, but used the share utility in kubunto03:10
ubuntuaftertaf: big problem, that will make a backup of at least 35 GB03:10
_justinto share it03:10
aftertafubuntu> for /home? ffs thats a lot ;)03:11
aftertafbrb cigtime03:11
ubuntuaftertaf: no i did in flood, but i'll bin now03:11
aftertafok.03:11
BlankC_justin: can you put a copy of the smb.conf on blankb.pastebin.com?03:11
aftertafpm me with it too, if i miss the post diring cigarette ;)03:11
_justinmaybe03:12
_justini will try03:12
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ubuntuaftertaf: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/41474603:13
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ubuntuoeps i forgot to look for a reaction in the flood channel :o03:18
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ubuntusry i have to reload x (x breaks without nvidia drivers)03:21
ubuntubrb03:21
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_justinlol, samba or smb aren't found in the system path03:23
BlankC_justin: ?03:24
_justinye03:24
_justintried to execute a restart and would work03:24
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_justinwhat is with the second configuration file03:26
jjesseto install ssh and the ssh server that is in main correct?03:26
_justinunder /usr/share/samba03:26
BlankCdunno. Mine uses the one in /etc/samba/03:28
annettehelp for modem03:29
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jpetsowhich hal backend does the media:/ kioslave use on Kubuntu?03:31
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_justinwell i had the smb services installed but not the samba would this have an effect03:40
hanseatichow do you call the little mailbox-icon for the control line?03:41
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_justinwell thanks all, i got it going03:52
_justinsilly me03:52
_justinit was just that i didn't have the samba package installed03:52
_justinlol thought it would of been automatically installed03:53
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StRHi all!03:54
_justinhi03:55
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gibarianhey everyone...does anyone know how to work around that system settings bug?04:11
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kkathmangood day all :)04:20
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slow-motionhallo04:21
kkathmangood day oh wise nalioth :)04:22
naliothkkathman: you're up early in the day04:22
kkathman9:23am here :)04:23
naliothkkathman: you must live in my time zone04:23
kkathmanI actually went to bed before 2am last evening :)04:23
kkathmannalioth: Im in Texas, central time zone, US04:25
naliothkkathman: not another texan04:25
kkathmanIm the only one that I have discovered here I think :)04:25
kkathmanthere may be more, but I just dont know :)04:26
naliothkkathman: did you find another one?04:27
kkathmannope04:28
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qosis there a newer mldonkey than 2.5.28? during connecting it always says, my client is too old04:38
nalioth!info mldonkey04:39
naliothqos: got a real pkg name?04:39
nalioth!info mldonkey-server04:39
ubotumldonkey-server: (Door to the 'donkey' network), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 2.5.28.1-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 2307 kB, Installed size: 6108 kB04:39
qosnalioth, what?04:40
naliothqos: looks like you'll have to compile a newer version04:40
qosdamn, i hoped only the install a newer package04:40
naliothqos: use checkinstall when you compile, you'll have a newer pkg04:41
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qosnalioth, i dont understand what u r trying to say ;)04:42
naliothqos: you'll need to visit the donkey homepage and get the latest source archive and compile it your self 04:43
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qoshmm, okay ... but what s about the one from adept? cant there be conflicts between them?04:43
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mornfallgood lord04:44
mornfalldonkey04:44
mornfallwhat the04:44
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naliothqos: remove it before you compile your new pkg04:45
qoshm, okay ...04:45
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naliothubotu: tell qos about checkinstall04:46
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regeyaDIG IT!04:57
regeyawrong channel.04:57
regeyacheckinstall == GREAT04:58
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regeyaI used stow until I found out about checkinstall.04:58
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zajacslvhej jak zainstalowa gstreamer0.8-plugins05:04
zajacslvco mam doda do sources.list05:04
naliothzajacslv: #ubuntu-pl  maybe?05:05
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nalioth!sources05:05
ubotunalioth: Do they come in packets of five?05:05
zajacslvno05:06
nalioth!sources05:06
zajacslvi try apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins05:06
naliothstupid ubotu05:06
zajacslvackage gstreamer0.8-plugins is not available, 05:06
naliothubotu: tell zajacslv about easysource05:07
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soundmaster80hello all, why does administrator mode not work on control center when the correct password is given?05:08
zajacslvKDE fails05:09
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zajacslvu must have permission to root in Xserver05:09
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soundmaster80anyone know?05:10
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rikvasoundmaster80: it is a bug.05:16
rikvasoundmaster80: use "kdesu kcontrol" instead05:17
kkathmanKDE fails???05:17
kkathmangee I always thought KDE was a pretty good student05:17
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kkathmanhowdy Blissex05:18
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qosnalioth, i am tring to compile mldonkey. but the ./configure script says there were no valid c++ compilers found!?05:21
paulproteusqos: Have you installed build-essential and g++ ?05:22
naliothqos: install "build-essential"05:22
naliothqos: also install "checkinstall"05:22
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somekoolanyone installed kde 3.5beta2 under knoppix or kubuntu ? 05:22
naliothsomekool: there are lots of folks in and out of here running 3.5b2 05:22
qosthx, i heared about it some time ago ... but i forgot it05:24
kkathmansomekool: I'd stay away fromt he beta2 right now05:24
kkathmanits got alot of probs05:25
kkathmanespecially if you like your sound :)05:25
raphinklol05:25
raphinkbeta2 works fine05:25
raphinkonce you downgrade arts and akregator05:26
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erikstitrying to install ccdoc here.. keep getting  error that I need ctf2xml2.. what should I download anyway? http://ccdoc.sourceforge.net/htdocs/downloads.htm05:27
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ubuntuguys i did manage to install apt with all it's dependencies, but apt-get install kubuntu-desktop gave me packages that wouldn't install....  so i really need myself to get read and write access on two partitions somehow05:35
naliothubuntu: are you using non ubuntu repos in your sources.list?05:36
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ubuntunalioth: nope, but i have an history on the forum and here05:37
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ubuntunalioth: the shortest way is reading this thread i think: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8493605:38
naliothubuntu: i ask b/c x/k/ubuntu pkgs usually install w/o any trouble, unless you've used non official software in the past05:38
kkathmanubuntu: you really need to set your respositories correctly05:38
kkathmanthen do an apt-get update05:38
ubuntukkathman: i have a proper sources.list and done the apt-get update05:39
kkathmanhaving your repositories set to anything other than your current Ubuntu level is just sheer lunacy05:39
kkathmanare you sure??05:39
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ubuntukkathman: yes i am sure, but it could have something todo with my problems as descriped in the forum05:40
naliothubuntu: in a console, type "sudo apt-get -f install"05:40
ubuntukkathman: i had to dpkg --force-depends --install some dependencies to get apt working again05:41
naliothubuntu: then you really need to look at your software because you have used foreign software somewhere along the way05:41
kkathmanIve never encountered someone that had a missing or broken apt-get 05:41
ubuntunalioth: done that too, same results05:41
naliothmaybe in a script from the forums or something05:42
erikstitrying to install ccdoc here..what should I download anyway? http://ccdoc.sourceforge.net/htdocs/downloads.htm05:42
kkathmanI think it might be time for a reinstall...probably much better than trying to "fix" what you have05:42
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kkathmaneriksti: follow their instructions.. you'll probably need to download the source files and compile05:42
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ubuntukkathman: i have the same thought, but i really really have to save my /home data (from linux partition) somehow05:43
sergiohi05:43
sergioDoes anybody know how to use Kopete with a hotmail count?05:43
ubuntukkathman: and i can't find my data from the live-cd05:43
kkathmanubuntu: then back it up to a CD and reinstall, or move it to another network resource05:43
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kkathmansergio: if you go to the microsoft hotmail resources they tell you how to set it up for Microsoft Outlook...should be similar to setting up in Kopete05:44
funkyHathas anyone else had problems with AmaroK since upgrading to breezy?05:44
ubuntukkathman: i only have 1 dvd drive, it's about 35GB and i can't get the drive listed and/or reading access05:44
kkathmanubuntu: it will be in /home/<your login name>05:45
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^rob^hi05:45
kkathmanubuntu: If you are working off a live CD, you cant have much there in your "home"05:45
funkyHatAmaroK breaks here doing anything related to the media library05:45
ubuntukkathman: no it isn't, my username is gone when booting the live-cd, the is an /home/ubuntu though05:45
ubuntukkathman: ah k05:46
^rob^i have upgraded kde 3.4.2 to 3.4.3  - now I have a problem - toolbar icons and menu icons are not shown - any clue?05:46
kkathmanubuntu: well somewhere along the way...you've introduced bad software and thats gonna get you05:46
ubuntukkathman: i know it's me who's the bad guy here, not kubuntu. :p   Is it possible to get access to my partitions from the live-cd? Because then i might be able to transfer the data with samba to my second pc right?05:48
naliothubuntu: it is possible05:48
ubuntunalioth: i thank the gods.   How do i get this done?05:49
kkathmanyes, nalioth is correct if your system had some normal integrity...but Im not at all convinced that it does at this point..you can try though05:49
^rob^does anybody has kde 3.4.3 installed?05:49
kkathman^rob^: yes everyone that has Breeze has 3.4.305:50
naliothkkathman: the livecd has all the integrity ubuntu needs to samba his way out of this05:50
kkathmanoops Breezy05:50
LeeJunFan^rob^: yeah, all of us probably.05:50
kkathmannalioth: thats warming i think :)05:50
ubuntunalioth: cause i only have a /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot05:50
^rob^1 - is breezy stable?  2 - can you tell me your libpng version?05:50
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^rob^libpng3 ?05:50
kkathman^rob^: yes05:50
^rob^yes on 1 or 2 :)05:51
naliothubuntu: nobody said it would be easy. but it is possible05:51
kkathman^rob^: any reason you havent done your update/dist-upgrade?05:51
LeeJunFan^rob^: heh, I've got 1 1.2 and 3 installed.05:51
^rob^kkathman: i have hoary05:51
kkathmanwell so did most of the people here05:51
^rob^LeeJunFan: and breezy?05:51
LeeJunFan^rob^: yeah, breezy.05:51
kkathman^rob^: Breezy has been out for a while now :)05:52
^rob^i have upgraded to latest kde stable - but icons does not appear.05:52
^rob^kkathman: i have heared it is not so stable - what's the gimp version in breezy?05:52
LeeJunFan^rob^: have you tried creating a new user and logging in as a new user to rule out any problems with your old kde configs?05:52
^rob^LeeJunFan: i have deleted some .kde dirs - 05:53
LeeJunFanGIMP version 2.2.805:53
kkathman^rob^: well suit yourself then...Ive been using it for quite a while05:53
^rob^cache and etc.05:53
^rob^LeeJunFan: ty05:53
^rob^kkathman: i use most of quanta, gimp, svn, php4 apache2  and internet stuff 05:53
LeeJunFan^rob^: try mv your .kde to .kde-bak or something and see if kde starts up good for you.05:54
^rob^LeeJunFan: i'll do that - ty - logout - brb05:54
^rob^:)05:54
kkathman^rob^:  me too...quanta has a new release in Breezy, and I use xampp for my devel environment05:54
LeeJunFan^rob^: I use similar stuff, have a server running breezy with no problems too.05:54
^rob^xampp ?05:54
ubuntunalioth: i got myself access to sda1 to read the data, but know i need write access to sda3 and that is a little hard for me05:55
kkathmanyah its a php-apache-mysql environment...sets it up automatically05:55
^rob^ok - i'll upgrade if does not work :)05:55
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^rob^kkathman: ah - no need :) i do that manually :)05:55
^rob^i am a php developer for long time - i know what i need :)05:55
^rob^lol05:55
kkathman^rob^: yah me too...it was just simpler for me...but fact is...its stable05:56
^rob^brb - re-logging -- (sounds like rebooting - but hey - i'm in linux)05:56
LeeJunFanquanta and fish are nice :)05:56
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kkathmansigh...doesnt have respect for some smart-arses :)05:56
kkathmanlol05:56
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ubuntunaloith: do i have to give special parameters to the mount command to get PROPER write access?05:57
kkathmanwhy do people come in, ask for help, and when you give it to them, they tell challenge it?05:57
naliothubuntu: you'll need to mount your sda3 read/write (hope it's not ntfs)05:57
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^rob^back05:57
^rob^it helped moving .kde to old - remade the kde stuff05:57
sergioanother thing05:57
kkathmannalioth: hehe05:58
^rob^now icons are back :)05:58
ubuntunalioth: nope it's ext3, hehe :)05:58
sergiodoes anybody use TI voyage 200 in kubuntu?05:58
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^rob^sergio - what's that?05:58
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LeeJunFansounds like a calculator.05:59
^rob^lol05:59
^rob^ok - now i have to re-make my settings 05:59
^rob^so breezy is stable05:59
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sergioIt's a calculator for ingeneering05:59
sergiobut i have only find the program to connect to the computer for windows06:00
^rob^is kaffeine a lil' bit more stable in breezy? - or crashes like in Hoary!06:00
sergio15917417406:00
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sergioor someone can tellme about a windows xp emulator?06:01
^rob^sergio: i do06:01
^rob^:)06:01
CookedGryphonhey, i installed kubuntu-desktop from a ubuntu computer, and its gone all wrong, there is no theme so it looks ugly, none of the links work, none of the kde programs are in the kde menu, just the ones out of my old gnome configuration, i can't find settings etc, help!06:01
^rob^use vmware 506:01
^rob^it's stable, faster than previous versions and works nice06:01
sergiohey rob06:02
funkyHatsergio, wine?06:02
sergiocan you tell me how i can use it?06:02
^rob^shure06:02
^rob^download the software from vmware.com06:02
^rob^install it as superuser06:02
^rob^you'll gonna need kernel libs to compile some libs06:03
LeeJunFan^rob^, sergio: well, you have to buy it.06:03
^rob^that will be loaded on boot06:03
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naliothCookedGryphon: "apt-get --fix-missing install kubuntu-desktop"06:03
^rob^LeeJunFan: it's cheap - 06:03
sergioto boy what?06:03
LeeJunFanvmware06:03
sergioto buy what?06:03
^rob^LeeJunFan: you can find a keymaker - lol06:03
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weasl77I have been testng a kububtu live cd:  can I install from that (hoping) or do I need to download the 'normal' install cd?06:04
BlankCthere is free (gratis) version of vmware called vmware player on their site.06:04
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^rob^you can use it for 1 month06:04
LeeJunFanBlankC: yeah, but it only operates on existing images, you can't install an OS with the player.06:04
^rob^subscribe to theyre engine and they will send you a key06:04
naliothweasl77: you'll need the install cd06:05
^rob^1 month is enough to know if you-re gonna use or not this software.06:05
CookedGryphonhey, i installed kubuntu-desktop from a ubuntu computer, and its gone all wrong, there is no theme so it looks ugly, none of the links work, none of the kde programs are in the kde menu, just the ones out of my old gnome configuration, i can't find settings etc, help!06:05
^rob^vmware is faster than any other pc hardware emulator or win emulator06:05
naliothCookedGryphon: i answered your question above, have you tried it?06:05
^rob^i use flash in vmware coz in wine works veeeery slow!06:05
^rob^i mean flash MX 200406:06
^rob^not the plugin06:06
^rob^:)06:06
^rob^even photoshop cs06:06
CookedGryphonnailoth, i tried reinstalling and it didn't work06:06
weasl77nalioth: thanks,  better start now then!06:07
LeeJunFannalioth: say it slower.06:07
naliothCookedGryphon: that is not what i just posted06:07
CookedGryphonalso, nothign comes up in the control panel06:07
CookedGryphonnailoth did you post it in this room? because for some reason it stopped respondign for a while, so i may have misssed it06:07
naliothCookedGryphon: "apt-get --fix-missing install kubuntu-desktop"06:08
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indrohi06:08
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CookedGryphonapt-get doesn't seem to be using my proxy, how do i set that?06:10
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CookedGryphonthe dpkg one didn't work06:10
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LeeJunFanCookedGryphon: how did you install kubuntu-desktop if your apt-get isn't working?06:11
LeeJunFanCookedGryphon: just curious that may be the cause of missing things.06:11
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indroanyone know how i can surf with konqueror keyboard only? (that i see a number on each link and only type the number to jump there)06:17
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laszlokindro: ctrl should activate those numbers06:17
twixBonjour06:18
indroah yes. thanks :)06:18
laszlokindro: also you can hit ' and then type to search for text links06:19
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indronice, thx ;)06:19
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twixHello all06:20
Riddellhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuRoadmap2  comments welcome06:20
twixgoodbye all :)06:20
naliothRiddell: pm?06:21
Riddellnalioth: here is fine06:22
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kkathmanRiddell: This looks really good :)06:26
kkathmanRiddell: this is 2 releases out yes?06:26
paulproteusRiddell: I think your roadmap should include a fix to http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18803 :)06:26
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laszlokRiddell: where would i submit a bug for systemsettings?06:31
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Riddelllaszlok: bugs.kd.org06:32
Riddellpaulproteus: that will be fixed but it was broken by the doc team chaning he file, so not my fault :)06:33
Riddellchanging the file06:33
paulproteusRiddell: Well, okay; can you tell me an IRC nick of someone on the doc team so I can get him on it? ;)06:33
paulproteusIt's really a pain to have all my users say, "What's this weird error when I open Firefox?  Does it mean Firefox won't work?".06:34
laszlokpaulproteus: #ubuntu-doc06:34
paulproteuslaszlok: Thanks. :)06:35
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Riddellpaulproteus: wel it's my job to fix it, it's just their fault for changing their packaging and thinking it wouldn't effect anyone06:35
paulproteusRiddell: Oh, okay. :)06:35
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paulproteusRiddell: I know you're surely busy, but it'd be great to have a fix for that soon.  Just stop having it dpkg-divert is the right solution, I think; having that index.html disappear is bad-bad-bad.06:37
paulproteusIf there were an index-kubuntu.html, then *that* should be index.html; but there's no such thing, sadly.06:37
`NomadI have an easy question.. Is there a key combination to lock a session?06:37
paulproteus`Nomad: I don't know if there's a default one.  You should be able to go to Control Center and look at all the current keyboard shortcuts, though.06:38
Riddell`Nomad: alt+f1, up, up, enter06:38
laszlok`Nomad: ctrl-atl-L by default06:38
paulproteusRiddell: Regarding roadmap, can we get KDE to treat GDM as fully-featured, and vice-versa?06:39
laszlokbut kde 3.5 doesnt let me unlock my desktop06:39
paulproteusIt's really dumb that you only get e.g. the "Shut down" option in KDE when using KDM, and vice versa.06:40
`Nomadlaszlok:  Thank  :)06:40
paulproteusI don't mean "dumb" from a technical perspective, but from a usability perspective.06:40
Riddellpaulproteus: that's an upstream issue, I agree it needs done but I think freedesktop is the right place for it 06:40
`Nomadhave a good day guys06:40
Riddelland I think it has been suggested there06:40
paulproteusRiddell: Good enough, I guess.06:41
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insanekaneRiddell: i have a working qt_immodule patch, and also have figured out what to change where in order for it to work in breezy ... any possibility of getting it into breezy-updates/dapper ? (btw, will it still be qt3.3.x in dapper, or qt4 ?) ?06:43
insanekaneRiddell: what to change where in qt source package06:43
frank23Riddell: I missed your talk at Ubuntu day. I went out on Saturday night, and completely forgot about Ubuntu Love Day. Crap!06:46
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Riddellfrank23: conference is still happening :)06:50
Riddellalthough now it's a developers summit, writing specs all day long06:51
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Riddellhi insanekane, what does this patch do?06:52
bhnawhy CONFIG_PREEMPT is not set in the kernel? is there a deb with preemtion enabled?06:52
insanekaneRiddell: it adds support for proper IMEs ...06:53
insanekaneRiddell: aka, allows easier/proper text input rather than via the too simple xkb06:54
insanekaneRiddell: its actually a simple patch, which TT will include in Qt4, but they dont provide it in 3.3 due to their bugfix only policy06:54
insanekaneRiddell: well, not simple patch ... but it is easily applied06:55
paulproteusinsanekane: TT?06:56
Riddellinsanekane: sounds cool, but I still don't quite understand it, what is "immodule" and what is wrong with xkb and what does this atch do to fix it?06:56
insanekaneRiddell: GNOME/GTK has a similiar thing, in the context menu of text boxes06:56
insanekanepaulproteus: TrollTech06:56
Riddellinsanekane: dapper will have KDE 3 which is Qt 306:56
bhnawhy CONFIG_PREEMPT is not set in the kernel? is there a deb with preemtion enabled?06:56
paulproteusinsanekane: Gotcha.06:57
Riddellbhna: #ubuntu-kernel maybe?06:57
insanekaneRiddell: XKB is too simplistic ... it allows only one character per key to be defined and also limited use of the compose key .... IMEs allow very complex input methods, using which text can be created contextually06:57
RiddellIMEs?06:57
insanekaneRiddell: would you have time to read webpages, or would you rather have me explain it ? :)06:57
Riddellhow does this relate to e.g. scim?06:57
insanekaneRiddell: IME = Input Method Editor (its better to understand that as Input Method Engine than Editor though)06:58
Riddellinsanekane: if it can be explained in some sentences here is good, otherwise point me at resources06:58
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insanekaneRiddell: scim is one IME framework, IIIMF is another, so is UIM06:58
bhnaRiddell: thanks06:58
insanekaneRiddell: the problem is, with XIM, stuff is very crasy06:58
Riddellinsanekane: but it's not my area of expertese so it may be a good idea to send it to kde-devel and propose it for qt-copy06:58
RiddellXIM?06:58
Riddelltoo many acronyms06:59
insanekaneRiddell: hmm, nevermind then ... other distros already have it afaict (Suse for one i believe) ... anyway it will appear in Qt406:59
insanekaneRiddell: XIM = X Input Method06:59
Riddellinsanekane: well if other distros have it we defniatly should :)06:59
insanekaneRiddell: i plan to include it my derivation of Kubuntu, just thought I should also help to get it into kubuntu07:00
frank23how can I add another user being able to run a program on my X session?07:00
Riddellfrank23: man xhost07:00
Riddellxhost + to disable all access control07:00
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Riddellinsanekane: I'm definatl interested07:01
Riddellinsanekane: can you send me the patch?07:01
frank23Riddell: If I disable all access control, could unknown remote users, run programs?07:02
insanekaneRiddell: well, its not just a patch, the main patch is for thw qt source tree ... then there are some (small) changes to one .install file under debian, and also you have to run a script before configure (somewhere in debian/rules i guess)07:02
insanekaneRiddell: ive made the main patch into a dpatch suitable for the debian/patches directory07:03
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insanekaneRiddell: note though, that IME is also extremely useful for Indic scripts as well -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_Method_Editor 07:04
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insanekaneRiddell: i will put the patch on  server (1.1 MB) along with a list of changes that need to be applied to the debian/* files07:05
Riddellfrank23: no, but they could display them on your computer if you arn't behind NAT/firewall07:06
insanekaneRiddell: also, are you interested in a (PyQt based) character selector better than the KDE one ?07:06
frank23Riddell: so they can display, but not run... ok07:06
Riddellinsanekane: character selector?07:07
insanekaneRiddell: KCharSelect07:07
insanekaneRiddell: K->Utilities->Character Selector07:07
Riddellinsanekane: Simon of  Guidance was talking about a better keyboard selector based on something like that (in python)07:08
Riddellinsanekane: #kubuntu-devel is good for development stuff by the way07:08
insanekaneRiddell: yes, i used to visit #kubuntu-devel ... but it was always silent :/07:08
insanekaneRiddell: does he have any notes on his potential "keyboard selector" ?07:09
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Riddellinsanekane: I don'tthink he has any notes yet, it's just an idea07:10
Riddellinsanekane: Sime on #kubuntu-devel07:10
slow-motionre07:10
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FoodcomanAfternoon!   =)07:13
kkathmanhi there Foodcoman  :)07:14
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hussamdoes konqueor 3.5 pass acid2 test?07:16
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ICXCNIKAI am thinking of taking the plunge and switching to Kubuntu.07:18
hussamICXCNIKA: from what distribution?07:18
ICXCNIKAOh. I'm a Windows User.07:19
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ICXCNIKAThough I have had some experience playing about with KDE on Knoppix.07:19
ICXCNIKAMy only concern is getting my Dell Truemobile 1300 WLAN Card to work.07:19
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ICXCNIKAThat's about it.07:21
paulproteusICXCNIKA: That's a card that runs a Broadcom chipset.07:23
paulproteusICXCNIKA: It works fine if you install ndiswrapper...07:23
paulproteus...but there's a magic incantation you must know about beforehand:07:24
kkathmanlol07:24
paulproteus"I also had to change RadioState 0 to RadioState 1 in all of the *.conf files in the /etc/ndiswrapper/bcmwl5a directory."07:24
paulproteusICXCNIKA: Mentioned on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=27760007:24
paulproteusICXCNIKA: Save that URL.  You'll desperately want it.07:25
paulproteusICXCNIKA: Outside of that, Kubuntu will do you fine, I imagine.07:25
ICXCNIKAOk.07:25
ICXCNIKAWell, I guess I'll make the switch then. No need to have XP around on this laptop I guess.07:26
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FoodcomanMissed the call out kkathman!  Greetz07:30
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kkathmannp Foodcoman :)07:30
FoodcomanGot sidetracked trying to get rsynch and with ssh to operate from work to home.07:30
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hussamI noticed a lot of security fixes and updates for firefox come out often. this isn't the case for konqueror. Is konqueror just more secure than firefox?07:54
buzlikely it's LESS people debugging it07:54
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Toxixhello07:55
Toxixhow i can mount ext3 partition??07:55
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kingshi07:58
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paulproteusToxix: Use the "mount" command.08:00
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LinuxGaspesieParlez-vous franais ?08:03
tvo#kubuntu-fr08:03
rikva!fr08:03
ubotuVa a #ubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais08:03
LinuxGaspesietank's tvo 08:04
dragonkhis there a way to format my hard drive from linux to work under windows?08:04
paulproteusdragonkh: mkfs.vfat, iirc08:06
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dragonkhpaulproteus: got it thanks :)08:07
kkathmangreetings tvo :)08:10
tvohi kkathman ;)08:10
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C0r3Dumphello all08:27
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C0r3Dumpone question, maybe a estupid one ... vmware img are OS independent ??08:27
C0r3DumpI mean, a vmware img created in on OS could be used in a different OS (using vmware of coourse)08:28
C0r3Dumpexample, img created in a windows, could be used in a linux 08:28
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somekooli tried to installed kubutu's binary package on knoppix, but it does not seems to work.08:29
Riddellsomekool: this is a kubuntu channel, not a knoppix channel08:29
somekooltrue that08:29
Riddellchances are kubuntu isn't binary compatible with knoppix08:29
somekoolwhy ? they are both debian no ? 08:30
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Geuishola, can someone try to help me with a new install that keeps hanging?08:30
lubomirC0r3Dump: http://www.vmware.com/support/ws5/doc/ws_move_share.html08:30
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Geuiskeeps getting stuck at Checking battery state08:31
somekoolwhat type of debian is kubuntu running ? stable ? testing ? or unstable ?08:31
buzsomekool: based on a about 6 month old unstable08:31
tvosomekool: it's a different repository, so neither stable, testing or unstable08:31
Geuisso kde isnt loading, but if I move the mouse around it wakes the screen after it blacks out from inactivity08:32
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somekoolso its a fork ? kubuntu will have a totally different evolution ? 08:36
somekoolwhat make it NOT binary compatible ? 08:36
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kkathmansomekool: if you want something for knoppix, you might try a knoppix channel..thanks :)08:37
laszloksomekool: its a partial fork cause we sync up and then re-fork every 6 months08:37
tvosomekool: it's sometimes not binary compatible because we might have other (newer) versions of important libraries08:39
tvosomekool: that's certainly so for sarge and etch08:39
tvoow well, I mean older actually08:39
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somekoollaszlok ok08:41
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somekooltvo 08:42
somekoolok thank you 08:42
deaconGreetings all08:42
deaconI seem to have a minor problem.  I just finished installing Breezy, and ran the safe update.  I also added the Nvidia drivers.  Yet I only seem to be able to run at a 60hz refresh rate.08:43
deaconis there any way to raise the refresh rate?08:44
paulproteusdeacon: Try doing alt-F2 and running krandrtray08:45
paulproteusIt'll be like QuickRes; you should be able to select various refresh rates easily.08:45
deaconok, just did that.  I still only have 60 hz to pick from.08:45
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deaconwill I have to manually edit my xorg.conf file?08:47
deaconor is there a tool with the nvidia drivers to fix the rate?08:47
paulproteusdeacon: Does your xorg.conf specify HorizSync and VertRefresh?08:50
deaconyes08:50
paulproteusdeacon: If so, comment them out; they're untrustworthy.08:50
deaconOh. ok08:50
paulproteusThen restart KDM (or GDM if you swing that way).08:50
paulproteusThen krandrtray should do you fine.08:50
deaconlemme try that, and I'll get back to you08:50
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deaconI'm back.  Commenting out the Horizontal and vertical refresh rates did the trick.08:55
deaconMy Eyballs thank you08:55
deaconerr, eyeballs08:55
paulproteusdeacon: Glad to hear it.08:58
paulproteusOne of the crusades I'm willing to fight is that against low CRT refresh rates.08:58
paulproteusChannel: Let this be a lesson to all of you!08:58
deaconMust save the eyes!08:58
paulproteusHard-coding refresh rates is bad-bad-bad!08:58
paulproteusX is smarter than you are!08:58
deaconlol08:58
deaconOk, next question08:59
paulproteusdeacon: /me worries this'll be harder08:59
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deaconWhy is it that on some system settings apps it asks to switch to "administrator Mode"  then asks for my password, then does nothing?09:00
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deaconit does not switch, I get sent back to the "all settings greyed out" gui.09:00
kkathmanthere is a bug there09:02
deaconok, ,so known issue?09:02
kkathmanyes09:02
deacondarn.  I don't know enough about Linux yet to be able to get by without all the gui apps.09:02
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beto_bsbHello everybody, I have kubuntu hoary installed on my pc, now I need to upgrade it to breeze... is there a guide or how-to on the net, that really works?09:03
deaconor at least most of them09:03
deaconOoo.. Beto, that was one of my questions too.09:03
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beto_bsbdeacon, I have upgrade my laptop, but it's a mess... 09:04
deaconme too beto.09:04
Geuismy new installation doesnt load kde09:04
Geuisjust goes right to the cli09:05
beto_bsbI'm using vmware to test, but the virtual machines didn't work ok after the upgrade...09:05
deaconI actually lost TCP/IP routing function on my Hoary setup.  I have no idea how either.09:05
paulproteusRiddell: A fix for http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18803 is submitted as a patch.  Just waiting for you. :)09:05
paulproteusdeacon, beto_bsb: How are you upgrading?09:06
paulproteusYou should be able to just replace hoary with breezy in sources.list.09:06
deaconpaulproteus, I haven't yet, was wondering how to go about it09:06
paulproteusdeacon: The recommended strategy is:09:07
paulproteus1. Replace "hoary" with "breezy" in /etc/apt/sources.list09:07
paulproteus2. sudo aptitude update09:07
beto_bsbon the laptop I added the breeze cdrom and "apt-get dist-upgrade", but it lost lots of programs installed...09:07
paulproteus3. sudo aptitude dist-upgrade09:07
paulproteus4. sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop09:07
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paulproteusbeto_bsb: It's preferred that you do the upgrade using a network mirror rather than a CD, because some programs may have moved on or off the CDs.09:07
beto_bsbwhat's the difference between "apt-get" and aptitude?09:07
paulproteusaptitude is a teensy bit smarter about upgrading.09:07
paulproteusPlus, aptitude remembers dependencies.09:08
deaconWhat if I cannot connect to anything on my Hoary box?09:08
paulproteusdeacon: If the only programs you have installed are the ones from the Hoary CD, you should be fine with the CD method.09:08
beto_bsbpaulproteus, i know, i'm upgrading the laptop right now with the files of the repositories...09:08
deaconpaulproteus,  Unfortunately, I have done quite a few updates.  The Hoary box started out ast Ubuntu, and was changed to Kubuntu.  I also have some outside .debs in there.09:09
paulproteusIt's the foreign debs that I'm not sure about.09:09
deaconalso, I still need to fix my connectivity issues with that machine09:10
paulproteusYou should be able to get by if you add both the Ubuntu Breezy CD-ROM + the Kubuntu Breezy CD-ROM.09:10
paulproteusdeacon: Fix connectivity and life will be easier. :)09:10
deaconIndeed.  If only I could figure out why my Wifi setup won't route AT ALL09:10
paulproteusdeacon: What card?09:11
paulproteusndiswrapper?09:11
deaconAtheros Card.It was setup for a static IP.  I changed it to a Dynamic Ip to try and connect to another AP.  Now I can't get t ro route with the static, or pull and IP with DHCP.09:12
paulproteusdeacon: Do you have any wired interfaces?09:12
deaconyes09:12
paulproteusdeacon: If so, disable them while you test the wifi card.09:12
beto_bsbpaulproteus: I'll try to upgrade as you said... thanks for the help. deacon, if it work, I'll tell you... :)    Thanks guys!09:12
deaconhaven't tried those yet09:12
paulproteusdeacon: e.g. ifconfig eth0 down09:12
deaconright.  I can do that.  my Atheros card is actually ath009:13
deaconifconfig ath0 down, ifconfig ath0 up.09:13
deaconnpthing happens other than the interface going down and up.  I can pull the signal and connect to the AP, I just can't pull an IP, or route using a static IP.09:14
deaconIf I reoot into windows, it works just fine09:14
deaconit pulls a DHCP IP and I can surf09:15
paulproteusdeacon: Do ifconfig eth0 down to make sure eth0 isn't interfering.09:15
deaconHmm... ok.  I'll try that09:15
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deaconok, booting now.  BTW, I'm using the kernel 2.6.10-5-7-k7-smp, in case that matters.09:18
deaconthis will take a while.  The networking stuff takes forever.09:19
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smykesI can't connect to an SMB share running on Windows 2000 :/09:22
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deaconok.  I'm up, I tried it, and no joy.  Still can't pull an IP from my DHCP09:23
paulproteusdeacon: Huh.  Do you have WEP / is it configured to use WEP?09:24
paulproteusOr WPA, if you use that?09:24
paulproteusAlso, you might find the drivers are better in Breezy anyway.09:24
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deaconyep,  I have wep, and I do have the correct key.  I even reset the key on the AP to make sure I was using the correct one.09:25
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deaconOne thing I don't understand.  What is the difference between an Open and a restricted key?  My AP doesn't use that terminology.  09:28
paulproteusBasically, every key is "open".09:29
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deaconThen why have the two settings??09:30
deaconOr is restricted like WPA?09:31
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deaconHmm.. lemme try with no key.  I have remote access to the AP, I'm in it now....09:31
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deaconok.  Encryption is off on the AP and in Hoary.  IP still show unavailable09:33
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jonkoljoin09:37
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deaconNow, ,I am running DHCP on my Linux-based Smoothwall firewall.  When I check the DHCP ;ogs, ,I am getting a series of DHCP discovers and offer from my wireless NIC.09:38
alessiociao a tutti09:38
deaconBut my desktop (which I am on now)  shows a full and complete DORA process.09:39
alessiouna domanda semplice...come installo bittorrent per kde?09:39
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alessioo meglio qual' il nome del pacchetto?09:39
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alessiowhat is the name of bittorrent package for kde?09:40
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buzktorrent09:40
alessiothank you09:40
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fatbrainanyone using elinks?09:42
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deaconIs there a file somewhere in a Hoary setup that i can delete to sort of "reset"  the Network setup?09:43
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josephHello.09:44
josephCan anyone help me installing Taskbar V2?09:45
josephFor debian?09:45
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strike4cek09:46
Spudchati have firestarter running on this machine configured to share my wireless interent connection with the wired nic and the computer that im sharing the connection with is able to ping all local hosts but cannot access outside hosts09:46
Spudchatany ideas?09:46
strike4cekkathman: I finally did it!09:46
josephOh hey again kkathman. :)09:46
strike4ceits all installed correctly09:46
josephCan you help me?09:46
josephStrike, congratulations. ;)09:46
strike4cekkathman: screen looks great!09:46
strike4ceAnyone here have ATI Graphics?09:46
strike4cejoseph: Thanks09:47
strike4ceI have a great howto that will get it going, if anyone needs?09:47
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josephHey Strike.09:48
josephDo you know much about linux?09:48
strike4cejoseph: Yes09:48
josephStrike, Can you help me with this problem I'm having?09:48
strike4ceNot a whole lot.  what yea need?09:49
strike4cejoseph: hopefully09:49
josephOK.09:49
josephSo.09:49
josephI just downloaded Taskbar V2.09:49
josephNow, when I open it it says something.09:49
strike4ce!pastebin09:50
ubotusomebody said pastebin was a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl09:50
strike4cejoseph: can you copy the message?09:50
josephIt automatically opens when I download it and I can't save it, it says this - 09:50
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PupenoLWhat do I need to install to get Python highlighting on Emacs ?09:50
strike4cejoseph: use that link to paste the message and then copy and paste the link here09:51
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josephhttp://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/399009:53
josephSorry it took so long.09:53
josephHad to do some other stuff to get it and stuff.09:53
josepho.O09:53
josephAlso included is a screenshot09:53
deaconGah!  I don't get it.  I deactivated my ath0, and activated my eth0.  I connected a Cat5 to my Ethernet port, and nothing.  Until I statically assigned my DNS.  THEN I was able to pull an IP!  I don't get it!  this makes no sense!09:53
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ICXCNIKAI now have Kubuntu!09:54
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josephBe you busy?09:56
strike4cejoseph: np09:56
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strike4cejoseph: what was the filename?09:57
josephstrike4ce, ?09:57
josephHold on.09:57
josephmtaskbar-0.7_0.7-1_i386.deb09:57
strike4cejoseph: just put it in here09:57
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strike4cejoseph: where did you get that?09:58
josephhttp://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=2561509:58
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strike4cejoseph: uninstall the it09:59
josephWhat?09:59
strike4cejoseph: lol, sorry uninstall the program09:59
josephI never installed it. o.O10:00
josephIt won't let me.10:00
strike4cejoseph: do you have adept10:00
josephRemember? It says its corrupt.10:00
josephYes.10:00
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strike4ceopen adept and type in the name10:00
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strike4cejoseph: is it there?10:01
joseph?10:01
josephI don't think so.10:01
josephI've tried searching.10:02
strike4cejoseph: you have in adept?10:02
joseph?10:02
josephWhat?10:02
josephI can't understand you.10:02
josepho.O10:02
strike4cejoseph: did you open adept package manager?10:02
josephYes.10:02
josephI searched too.10:03
strike4ceok type the name of the program  mstaskbar10:03
strike4cejoseph: oops taskbar v10:03
josephNope.10:03
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josephIt doesn't work.10:03
strike4cego to terminal and do remove command10:04
strike4cegtg10:04
strike4cesorry10:04
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stratovariushuys what is the command line to install java?10:05
stratovariussudo apt-get instal ....10:05
ICXCNIKAI need to figure out how to get my Dell TrueMobile WLan to work. The url that someone gave me earlier isn't any good.10:05
stratovariusno one can help me?that is a very simple question10:06
josephCan someone help me install Taskbar V2?10:06
apokryphosjoseph: which part are you having a problem with?10:07
josephOK.10:07
josephHold on. :)10:07
josephWait.10:08
josephDo you know how I can access the history in Konqueror?10:08
stratovariuswhat is the command line to install java?10:08
josephSorry I'm still a linux newbie.10:08
josephstratovarius, which part are you at?10:08
Geuisif I want to install a program thats not in the package manager, what would I do?10:08
apokryphosjoseph: wget http://plaza.ufl.edu/rheck/mtaskbar-0.7_0.7-1_i386.deb && sudo dpkg -i mtask*.deb10:09
josephGeuis, apt-get miht work, I'm not sure. o.O10:09
apokryphos!tell stratovarius about javadebs10:09
apokryphosstratovarius: once you grab the one you want, then sudo dpkg -i somepack.deb10:09
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josephOh wow.10:09
josephThanks d00d.10:10
josephnice!10:10
stratovariusapok cant I install java with apt-get?10:10
josephOK.10:10
apokryphosstratovarius: if you're on breezy, you can get blackdown java from multiverse; but, sunjava is not in any of the ubuntu repositories.10:10
josephNOW its saying this: The Taskbar V2 applet could not be loaded. Please check your installation.10:10
apokryphosjoseph: where does it say that?10:10
josephWhen I right click on the bar at the bottom.10:11
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josephAnd go to: add to panel --> applet --> Taskbar V210:11
apokryphosright10:11
apokryphoshm, you might have to compile10:11
josephAlright.10:11
apokryphosjoseph: first remove the currently installed one:  sudo dpkg -r mtask*.deb10:11
josephOK, its not working. o.O10:13
apokryphosjoseph: what isn't? It didn't remove it?10:13
josephI don't think so.10:13
josephHold on.10:13
apokryphosjoseph: what's the terminal output?10:14
josephPaste?10:14
apokryphosok, I've gotta go, but here's what to do from now:10:14
josephits not big, I promise.10:14
apokryphosif it's not big, then go for it10:15
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josephdpkg: you must specify packages by their own names, not by quoting the names of the files they come in10:15
apokryphos:/10:15
ICXCNIKACan anyone help me with ndiswrapper?10:15
apokryphosjoseph: sudo apt-get build-dep kate && wget http://www.uni-weimar.de/~wolff3/kdelook/mtaskbar-0.7.tar.bz2 && cd cd mtaskbar-0.7/ && ./configure --prefix=/usr && make && sudo make install10:16
apokryphoshopefully that should do it fine for you; gotta go now. If you have problems I'll try to help when I'm back10:17
josephOK.10:17
josephThanks!10:17
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ICXCNIKAhm10:18
Geuiscan I make my desktop change based on the time?10:20
kevmanGrr. What is kubuntu's default kernel for x86?10:22
josephWTF?10:23
ICXCNIKAI guess not.10:23
josephIt still doesn't work. o.O10:23
josephI don't know what went wrong.10:23
josephMy system must be majorly fucked p.10:23
joseph*up.10:23
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_oliverhello10:25
paulproteusICXCNIKA: What's the problem?10:26
paulproteus!ndiswrapper10:27
ubotundiswrapper is probably a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper10:27
paulproteusICXCNIKA: Install the module-assistant package.  Then do:10:28
paulproteusmodule-assistant install ndiswrapper10:28
josephOh, I see.10:28
josephI did the debian instead of the .tar.bz2, must not've seen it. o.O10:28
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ICXCNIKAUm. Okay.10:33
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ICXCNIKAIt's not even taking me there.10:34
calcmandan|breezi''m looking for the xconfig file so i can back it up before enabling my ATI driver.  Anyone know the exact name of the file?10:34
calcmandan|breezjust read the FAQ10:34
calcmandan|breezwould it be xf86config?10:35
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rumburakhello guys ;]  someone using Yakuake here ?10:38
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rumburakplease pm me, if ur using Yakuake ;] 10:41
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propagandhii am10:43
propagandhiusing yakuake10:43
propagandhibut if I dont PM on first dates10:43
rumburakokay, i donno how i can make some configuration with Yakuake10:44
rumburaki want change size of windows.. etc..10:44
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propagandhiyou want to change the size of the yakuake window10:45
rumburakyes10:45
propagandhitheres a little down arrow in the bottom right corner, it allows you to do that10:45
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rumburaknice, i dont see that arrow10:46
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propagandhiyou see where the scrollbar is 10:47
propagandhibelow the scrollbar is an X a down arrow and a +10:47
_sergio_Hi does anybody know how to use voyage 200 in kubuntu?10:47
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rumburakpropagandhi: i have it now..10:47
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_sergio_Hi does anybody know how to use voyage 200 in kubuntu?10:49
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manveru_what is voyage 200?10:49
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_sergio_voyage 200 it's a calculator for ingeneering studies10:50
_sergio_that works only on windows10:50
rumburakpropagandhi: good, i have resized it now and now i want to hide text > KDE Terminal Emulator at bottom of windows, can i do it ?10:50
rumburakpropagandhi: window*10:51
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propagandhirumburak, in the right configuration file or graphic I'm sure you could10:57
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propagandhirumburak - for me it'll be in /usr/share/apps/yakuake/default/title10:58
rumburakpropagandhi: im trying to find some info about this configuration around web, but without succes10:58
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propagandhirumburak - for me it'll be in /usr/share/apps/yakuake/default/ I mean10:58
rumburakpropagandhi: ok i take a look10:59
propagandhirumburak: in the title.skin file you can specify the terminal title bar text10:59
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rumburakpropagandhi: text i can change now, but can i erase that bar ?11:03
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propagandhiI'd say to 'erase' the bar you need to modify the image, perhaps you could just make it transparent, or reduce its size 11:06
rumburakpropagandhi: size is still same, im trying to change X and Y to smaller numbers11:08
propagandhirumburak: the size of what is still the same11:08
rumburakpropagandhi: size of bar which is at bottom, icon with arrow is on it11:09
propagandhirumburak: have you edited the bars image11:09
rumburakpropagandhi: no no11:10
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propagandhirumburak: you need to edit the images, otherwise the size wont change because the image will stretch as required11:11
rumburakpropagandhi: it sounds logicaly11:12
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propagandhirumburak: thats good11:13
rumburakpropagandhi: i try to resize... images11:13
rumburakpropagandhi: but, see u some skins around web ? on homepage is nothing ;[11:14
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ICXCNIKAMaybe I need to download xmms.11:16
ICXCNIKAMp3s are just not playing.11:17
rumburakhave u codecs ?11:17
propagandhirumburak: i dont know of any skins, I like the default, but its not hard to modify the image11:17
rumburakpropagandhi: i found images which i want resize. but i must make backup ;] 11:18
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ICXCNIKAI am not sure. That is what I am trying to get.11:19
alleeHi11:19
ICXCNIKAThough I don't know how to use Konsole very well.11:19
ICXCNIKACan I get them through Terminal?11:19
alleeAnyone a AVM B1 PCMCIA isdn card?  Mine stopped working after hoary->breezy dist-upgrade (can't get IRQ 11)11:20
rumburakICXCNIKA: search > easykubuntu that adds useful features to ur kubuntu in few clicks.. no console11:20
ICXCNIKAok11:20
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rumburakICXCNIKA: np11:21
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rumburakpropagandhi: okay thank u for good help, i now know how do that i want.. thx again11:25
ICXCNIKAI found one, but it is all in French.11:26
propagandhirumburak: no problems11:26
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Christophe971omfg11:26
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rumburakICXCNIKA: http://olwin.free.fr/serendipity/ here is what u want11:27
rumburakICXCNIKA: scrool down a little, there is english version11:27
ICXCNIKAThanks!11:28
fatbrainWhen I type cmdName it gets executed, but when I do sudo cmdName it sais it can't be found... Why?11:28
ICXCNIKAI opened it but it gave me an error.11:29
ICXCNIKAIt says the utility ar is not in your PATH11:30
rumburakICXCNIKA: right click on archive and there is install somewhere.. after taht u find icon in System via K menu11:30
olwinINSTALLATION : right click on the file --> kubuntu package menu --> Install Package 11:31
olwin to launch Easy Kubuntu : Kde Menu --> System --> Easy Kubuntu 11:31
olwinICXCNIKA: download this version : http://olwin.free.fr/easykubuntu-0.6.deb 11:31
mpmcI need a good PHP editor for KDE (Not Quanta)11:33
kkathmanQuanta is the best Ive found mpmc :)11:33
kkathmanand I program for a living11:33
mpmckkathman: I want something PHP only, If you know what I mean.11:34
kkathmanmpmc In the way of open source, its the best.  You can certainly get Zend's Studio or the other commerical products11:38
kkathmanmpmc but Quanta can handle anything, includes previews, has its own debugger11:38
kkathmanI dont know what else you'd want11:38
mpmcI've gone with Screem...11:39
mpmcanything like it for KDE?11:39
kkathmanthats just an HTML XML editor :)11:39
kkathmanholy cow Quanta is like 100x the product11:40
kkathmanand its KDE11:40
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kkathmanbut its up to you I suppose11:40
kkathmanin any case, gnome products can be run under KDE as long as you install the gnome components11:41
ICXCNIKAMan, Gstreamer is taking a long time to dl.11:43
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josephCan anyone help me install Taskbar V2?11:43
josephHelp me uninstall it first. :)11:43
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joseph:(11:45
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kkathmanhow did you install it in the first place joseph?11:46
josephUmm..11:46
josephDebian file.11:46
josephSurce.11:46
joseph*Source.11:46
josephNeither worked, I'm going to try and uninstall it then reinstall it with the source file.11:47
kkathmanyou compiled, did a ./configure, make and make install?11:47
josephYep.11:47
josephI think it came out with a couple errors at the end, but I don't remember them though.11:47
kkathmanok you can go back to that directory where your files are, and do a sudo make uninstall11:47
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josephAlright.11:48
josephI'm done.11:48
kkathmanthere ya go11:49
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joseph?11:50
josepho.O11:50
kkathman?11:50
joseph[17:49]  <kkathman> there ya go11:51
josephWere you talking to someone else?11:51
kkathmanno to you11:51
kkathmanyou wanted to uninstall it..and its uninstalled11:51
josephOH.11:52
josephYeah.11:52
josephSorry. xD11:52
josephIf I get any errors, I'll tell you.11:52
josephOh and HEY AGAIN! :)11:52
kkathmanokie dokie :)11:52
josephAre you like ALWAYS in here? :P11:52
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kkathmanhmm..not always...cuz I do have a real job 11:52
kkathmanhehe11:52
josephLol. :)11:52
kkathmanbut I try to be here a lot11:52
kkathmanif I can help11:52
josephI have school, but I'm usually in here with a problem because I am a linux nub.11:53
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kkathmanthats ok...everyone is a newbie at one time11:53
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josephSo it seems.11:53
kkathman'sok11:53
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nicholaspaula nice 'quieter' channel! I'm having trouble with the OSX finder seizing when i click on networks/Ubuntu, when other machines on the network are ok. Anyone know of differences between hoary and breezy in the smb.conf??11:54
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josephhttp://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/399411:55
josephHelp! :(11:55
josephThis always happens when I do this. :(11:55
josephWhen I always make I mean.11:56
josephAnd errors in make install too, probably because there were errors in make11:56
kkathmanbe sure joseph to run make install at the root level...ie. sudo make install11:57
josephwh00ps11:57
josephSame thing with make?11:57
kkathmanI dont think so..but funny, I get those same errors with my last compile I did.11:58
josephInteresting..11:58
josephNope, still errors. :(11:58
josephDangit.11:59
josephSo you can't help me then?11:59
kkathmanIm not a developer or a person that compiles all that often...I'd like to know the answer too :)11:59
josephAlright. ;)12:00
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propagandhijoseph: are you using the --prefix12:02
kairu0hey all12:02
kkathmanhi kairu0 :)12:02

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