[12:06] <rysiek> thought so ;)
[12:06] <Tm_T> alaska?!
[12:06] <Tm_T> pyh
[12:07] <rysiek> not all of us are in alaska, you know ;)
[12:07] <rysiek> a quick question:
[12:07] <rysiek> thanks to SuperKaramba ;) I am monitoring my mem usage
[12:08] <rysiek> on Breezy
[12:08] <Tm_T> :(
[12:08] <rysiek> now, I have noticed that after a few hours of operation there is no free mem left...
[12:08] <Tm_T> yes
[12:09] <Tm_T> linux uses free mem as cache/buffer
[12:09] <Tm_T> just ignore it
[12:09] <rysiek> ?
[12:09] <rysiek> D'oh! :)
[12:09] <rysiek> ok, so when I'm left with 64MB from my 1Gig of RAM and want to run a mem-consuming app like GIMP - what happens?
[12:10] <nalioth> rysiek: thanks to SuperKaramba ;) you are contributing to your memory usage 
[12:10] <Tm_T> application data is all you have to watch
[12:10] <Tm_T> rysiek: then cahce/buffer give room to gimp
[12:10] <rysiek> nalioth: aye, I know this, but this is actually quite small
[12:10] <rysiek> Tm_T: ok, calmed down now ;)
[12:11] <Tm_T> torsmo <3
[12:11] <nalioth> rysiek: some of the applets are memory connesuieurs
[12:11] <LeeJunFan> nalioth: openoffice.
[12:11] <Tm_T> torsmo takes 1-4M here (and avg 0,2% cpu)
[12:11] <rysiek> nalioth: I don't suppose BinClock to be mem consuming, and I have written the sysmon theme myself, no Python here ;)
[12:12] <rysiek> so I don't suppose I lose a lot mem/cpu on this
[12:12] <nalioth> Tm_T: torsmo? you got that to work? you rock, dude! 
[12:12] <LeeJunFan> nalioth: and the better word might be carnivore.
[12:12] <Tm_T> nalioth: easily
[12:12] <Tm_T> nalioth: and it shows MUCH things
[12:12] <nalioth> i compiled the last torsmo available and it never ran at all
[12:13] <rysiek> what's all the fuss about torsmo? SuperKaramba gives me the info and it works without bigger problems
[12:14] <rysiek> am I missing anything here?
[12:14] <Tm_T> nalioth: wait, I took a pic
[12:14] <Tm_T> rysiek: just watch...
[12:14] <rysiek> [bang] ? :)
[12:14] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_078.png
[12:14] <Tm_T> upper right corner
[12:14] <nalioth> Tm_T: i believe you. 99% of developers know more tricks than me
[12:15] <Tm_T> really light, really easy to modify, and you can easily display _anything_ (as long as it's text ;p )
[12:15] <nalioth> rysiek: torsmo is an abandoned project similar to gkrellm. conky is someones "picking up the pieces" of torsmo and running with it
[12:15] <rysiek> ok, so I'm not stunned :)
[12:16] <kkathman> hey there Tm_T :)
[12:16] <nalioth> Tm_T: if one can get torsmo to actually run
[12:16] <Tm_T> nalioth: you have done something wrong if you cant
[12:16] <Tm_T> kkathman: hullo
[12:16] <Tm_T> nalioth: torsmo is abandoned?!
[12:16] <nalioth> Tm_T: i've compiled it from it's source
[12:16] <Tm_T> nalioth: me too
[12:16] <nalioth> Tm_T: yes it is
[12:17] <Tm_T> hmh, guys said bit different to me
[12:17] <rysiek> ok, gtg check if I have *finally* succeded in making my WOL work ;)
[12:17] <Tm_T> but, there's not much to do with it so, doesn't matter, it's "ready"
[12:17] <Tm_T> ;)
[12:17] <rysiek> cu all, brb... hopefully ;)
[12:17] <nalioth> Tm_T: i used the binary from the repos, it didnt work, i compiled my own, it didnt work either
[12:18] <Tm_T> strange
[12:18] <nalioth> Tm_T: never got any errors during compile or nothing
[12:18] <Tm_T> what does konsole return when you try to run it?
[12:18] <Tm_T> and first, (re)move your .torsmorc
[12:18] <nalioth> Tm_T: dunno, it's been months, and i run conky now
[12:19] <Tm_T> try
[12:19] <kazu> hello
[12:20] <propagandhi> anyone tried crossover office 5
[12:31] <Strike4ce> Where can I get the kernel source?
[12:31] <kazu> kernel.org strike4e
[12:32] <flixor> but you can do it with apt i guess Strike4ce 
[12:33] <kazu> hi flixor ( thks fr yesterday t seems to work better )
[12:33] <flixor> you are kidding me :) 
[12:33] <flixor> well thanks to be of service 
[12:34] <kazu> ^^
[12:36] <flixor> btw kazu, do you know wich kernel kubuntu 5.10 is running 
[12:36] <flixor> Linux Photography 2.6.12-9-386 #1 Mon Oct 10 13:14:36 BST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:36] <propagandhi> Strike4ce: the ubuntu kernel source is in apt repositories
[12:36] <flixor> this one i cant get the kernel source for in apt 
[12:36] <kazu> 2.6.12 flixor
[12:36] <flixor> only 2.6.11
[12:36] <flixor> so wich one do i have to download 
[12:37] <flixor> i want the kernel source wich i am running rightnow 
[12:37] <kazu> you want to down the sources ? jsut take it on kernel.org 5s
[12:37] <nalioth> flixor: use linux-source
[12:37] <kazu> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.12.tar.gz
[12:38] <nalioth> kazu: ubuntu kernel source is available in the repos, using 'vanilla' source isnt good
[12:38] <kazu> ... a kernel source is just a kernel source no ?
[12:39] <nalioth> kazu: ubuntu kernel source is patched for ubuntu
[12:39] <flixor> well maybe ubuntu is doing some patching on the kernel kalenedrael 
[12:39] <flixor> :)
[12:39] <kalenedrael> kazu, you mean?
[12:39] <flixor> i meant kazu 
[12:39] <flixor> yes kalenedrael sorry :)
[12:39] <kalenedrael> :P
[12:39] <flixor> you where fast 
[12:39] <kalenedrael> Heh.
[12:40] <kalenedrael> I react when my name is said in a channel :P
[12:40] <flixor> lol, i rememer that kalenedrael 
[12:40] <kazu> ok :) i never compile my kubuntu kernel :p but on debian i always down  it from kernel.org :) ok thks i learned something ;)
[12:40] <flixor> wich runlevel is the one whitout X 
[12:41] <flixor> or how can i shutdown X
[12:41] <LeeJunFan> flixor: /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[12:41] <LeeJunFan> flixor: or runlevel 1
[12:41] <flixor> brb 
[12:41] <kazu> did one of you had test the kde 3.5 ? is it ok or not yet ?
[12:41] <flixor> thanks 
[12:41] <LeeJunFan> kazu: no.
[12:41] <kazu> flixor to shut down x /etc/init.d/kdm or gdm stop
[12:42] <LeeJunFan> kazu: as in no it's not ok yet.
[12:42] <kazu> ok thks LeeJunFan i will wait :)
[12:42] <LeeJunFan> kazu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems
[12:42] <kazu> yes seems to have a lot of bug :p thks LeeJunFan 
[12:45] <kazu> and sorry to repeat what you sy about shutting down x I just haven't sen it :)
[12:45] <nalioth> kazu: open a terminal and type "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop"
[12:46] <kazu> i kow :) but thks
[12:46] <kazu> ok please have a good night every body
[12:46] <kazu> +
[12:47] <Delvien> DOES anyone know how to get rid of that annoying beep when you backspace too far?? 
[12:47] <regeya> no, but I know how to break a capslock key.
[12:48] <Delvien> regeya how with your face ?
[12:49] <regeya> Delvien: there are more subtle ways to break a capslock.  bite me. ;-)
[12:50] <propagandhi> Delvien: you can change it to have no bell
[12:51] <Strike4ce> Well, I just cant leave it alone. I got 3d working with the kubuntu supplied drivers, but I want to install the official driver from ATI. Anyone good at this?
[12:51] <LeeJunFan> I know how to break a whole keyboard on your laptop. Have a light over your desk that the little bugs of the night buz around in the summer, and your cat will tear into it costing you $100 to replace a keyboard.
[12:51] <Strike4ce> well?
[12:52] <LeeJunFan> as the bugs fall into the keyboard that is.
[12:54] <LeeJunFan> Delvien: if you are talking about konsole menu settings->bell->none
[12:59] <Delvien> Leejunfan thanks
[01:01] <Strike4ce> Well, I just cant leave it alone. I got 3d working with the kubuntu supplied drivers, but I want to install the official driver from ATI. Anyone good at this?
[01:05] <Strike4ce> What do I need to configure a kernel?
[01:06] <LeeJunFan> Strike4ce: apt-get install build-essential to start, a kernel source, and knowledge of what you need to enable in the kernel config. If you are planning on building 2.6.14 be aware that the current ATI drivers won't make against the 2.6.14
[01:10] <Strike4ce> LeeJunFan do I need to configure the kernel for breezy to work with the ATI driver?
[01:11] <Strike4ce> or is that ready right out of the box?
[01:12] <zoldar> anybody knows some good substitute for windows commander in ubuntu?
[01:13] <nalioth> zoldar: mc
[01:13] <LeeJunFan> Strike4ce: the ati driver needs to link into the kernel, which means that the ati driver needs to be compiled for the kernel you plan to run it with.
[01:14] <Strike4ce> LeeJunFan converted with alien right?
[01:14] <Strike4ce> I thought the kernel needed compiled
[01:14] <zoldar> nalioth: i have something more bound to x desktop on my mind - mc is great but for console
[01:14] <LeeJunFan> Strike4ce: but you shouldn't have to compile a kernel to compile the ATI driver against the existing breezy kernel.
[01:15] <Strike4ce> LeeJunFan look here: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Installing_ATI_drivers
[01:15] <LeeJunFan> Strike4ce: yeah, convert it to a deb and install with dpkg, you'll have to cd to /lib/modules/fglrx and make the appropriate things there by running the included make scripts.
[01:15] <nalioth> zoldar: krusader
[01:15] <zoldar> ok, thanks
[01:16] <zoldar> again
[01:16] <Strike4ce> Where are the make scripts? How do I get to them?
[01:16] <LeeJunFan> Strike4ce: they are in the /lib/modules/fglrx dir
[01:16] <nalioth> Strike4ce: makefiles come with source code pkgs
[01:16] <nalioth> woops
[01:17] <Strike4ce> ok so download the ati driver first
[01:17] <Strike4ce> convert it with alien and then dpkg
[01:19] <LeeJunFan> right.
[01:19] <Strike4ce> I need to download it to that file path?
[01:19] <Strike4ce> or open it with that file path?
[01:20] <Strike4ce> Do I even need the build essential for this?
[01:23] <Strike4ce> ??
[01:24] <kkathman> build essential is need for compiling
[01:24] <nalioth> Strike4ce: yes you do
[01:24] <kkathman> needed
[01:24] <LeeJunFan> Strike4ce: yeah, because build essential includes the compiler itself.
[01:25] <kkathman> usually you have to have build-essential, gcc and g++
[01:25] <kkathman> or thats what I have at least
[01:26] <nalioth> kkathman: gcc and g++ are included in build-essential
[01:27] <kkathman> ohhh I guess when I installed before they werent
[01:29] <Strike4ce> ok build essentials are installed
[01:29] <Strike4ce> Now Im going to download the driver from ATI
[01:33] <Strike4ce> ok Im going to download the ati driver to my desktop is that ok?
[01:33] <nalioth> Strike4ce: you've backed up your xorg.conf, just go with your mission
[01:34] <Strike4ce> i will now LOL
[01:35] <Strike4ce> hat was the comand for that?
[01:35] <Strike4ce> What
[01:37] <kkathman> lol
[01:37] <Dersursine> Hello, does anyone know of any documentation for KDevelop, the -doc package is pretty incomplete
[01:38] <kkathman> Dersursine: http://www.kdevelop.org/
[01:38] <Dersursine> kk, ty
[01:39] <Dersursine> ah nice, the manual here is finished
[01:40] <kkathman> Dersursine: what language are you planning on using?
[01:40] <Dersursine> C++
[01:40] <Dersursine> its for my CS class
[01:40] <Dersursine> we started working with out own header files and such, and I cant just use g++ to compile it all anymore :(
[01:42] <mae> anyone having an issue with not being able to access anything on the admin panel via sudo
[01:42] <mae> well you know ksudo or whatever it is
[01:43] <mae> i know my sudo pw is correct
[01:43] <mae> it works fine on the cmd line
[01:43] <mae> but everything remains grayed out
[01:43] <mae> is there any configs in ~ i could try deleting to reset it
[01:43] <mae> perhaps it got messed up somehow
[01:44] <Dersursine> if I remember right, theres an "editable" button or something in it
[01:44] <Dersursine> I dun have KDE install tho, so not much I can help with :(
[01:44] <mae> ????
[01:45] <Dersursine> lol, im here for help with Kdevelop
[01:45] <mae> oh
[01:45] <mae> :)
[01:45] <Dersursine> im not a guru yet :'(
[01:45] <lunitik> Riddell: the default Kopete setting in Kubuntu for it to pop up a bubble on all new messages not in focus... how'd you do that?
[01:45] <Strike4ce> ok I backed up and I converted the file
[01:45] <mae> i use vim - wouldn't know anything about kdevelop
[01:46] <Dersursine> hmm, i just need something that will manage my projects and compile them all, I used to just use G++, but now it doesnt link my files correctly
[01:46] <Strike4ce> ok people help me out here please look at this: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Installing_ATI_drivers
[01:47] <Strike4ce> damn thast using xfree
[01:47] <Strike4ce> How do I compile the ati driver?
[01:49] <Dersursine> I have no idea, but if its like compiling other things, usualy you have to run the included './configure', then 'make', and finaly 'make install'
[01:49] <Strike4ce> kkathman can you help me or LeeJunFan?
[01:51] <nalioth> Strike4ce: Dersursine has given you basic instructions
[01:52] <Dersursine> lol
[01:53] <Dersursine> is it easy to add kde support to a basic, normal ubuntu install?
[01:55] <Strike4ce> so I use command ./configure kernel?
[01:55] <Dersursine> uncompress the files they gave you, then in that dir you run the configuration scrip they gave you
[01:55] <Dersursine> dunno if kernel is an argument to it
[01:55] <Strike4ce> Where would the config script be?
[01:56] <Dersursine> im a noob at all this, all ive done on my own is apache/php
[01:56] <Strike4ce> I downloaded it to desktop the ati driver
[01:56] <Dersursine> should be called configure
[01:56] <Dersursine> was the download a .tar.gz or something else?
[01:56] <Strike4ce> rpm
[01:56] <Dersursine> oh
[01:56] <Dersursine> heh, that blows everything ive said out of the water then
[01:57] <Strike4ce> on there website it said it should work with the 2.6 kernel
[01:57] <Strike4ce> so do I really need to do anything?
[01:57] <Dersursine> hmm, should pprobably just need to install it like any other rpm
[01:57] <Dersursine> and id guess that would be all
[01:57] <Dersursine> their website should probably have instructions to install it
[01:57] <Strike4ce> nope
[01:58] <Strike4ce> dpkg -i filename right?
[01:58] <Dersursine> no idea
[01:58] <Dersursine> brb one sec, phone
[01:59] <Dersursine> bah, the "Governator" call me >_>
[02:00] <Strike4ce> ok how do I kill this and bring it back up?
[02:00] <Dersursine> according to man pages, that would give info on an installed package, i guess.
[02:00] <Dersursine> kill the install?
[02:00] <Strike4ce> kill everything
[02:01] <Dersursine> power button ?
[02:01] <Strike4ce> ctrl alt f1?
[02:01] <Strike4ce> ctrl aalt backspace?
[02:01] <Dersursine> dunno
[02:01] <Dersursine> ctrl alt backspace reloads the x server thingy
[02:01] <Dersursine> dunno if thats a good idea if your changing kernel stuff tho
[02:04] <nalioth> Dersursine: um, install kubuntu-desktop?
[02:04] <Dersursine> kk
[02:04] <Strike4ce> cool back but getting a error when I run fgl_glxgears
[02:04] <Dersursine> paste the error into google
[02:07] <nalioth> Dersursine: you can also get an xfce4 desktop by installing "xubuntu-desktop"
[02:07] <Dersursine> kk
[02:07] <Dersursine> never heard of it
[02:07] <nalioth> !xubuntu
[02:08] <ubotu> hmm... xubuntu is Ubuntu using XFCE instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[02:08] <Dersursine> !XFCE
[02:08] <ubotu> rumour has it, xfce is a lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4" or "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". http://www.xfce.org/
[02:08] <Dersursine> ah
[02:09] <Dersursine> Man, I wanna make the bot say that "I am the almighty king of the universe," lol
[02:09] <Dersursine> figured it wouldnt be a good idea tho...
[02:09] <Dersursine> !tell dersursine about botabuse
[02:11] <Strike4ce> bbl
[02:12] <Dersursine> kk
[02:18] <Dersursine> nalioth, do you have any experience with KDevelop and C++?
[02:20] <nalioth> Dersursine: i do not
[02:20] <Dersursine> ah, ok
[02:22] <kkathman> I dont either, I basicall program in PHP so I use Quanta
[02:23] <Dersursine> Ah, PHP was my first language
[02:23] <Dersursine> so nice ^^
[02:24] <Dersursine> C++ is fun tho, just a ton more work... forces you to think things out and be good.
[02:24] <kkathman> and Quanta is a very nice IDE for it
[02:24] <kkathman> Im not sure if its a C++ thing or not
[02:24] <kkathman> But kdevelop really looks nice
[02:25] <Dersursine> ya, cleanest interface. at least between Anjuta and VS.net
[02:26] <Dersursine> haha, ##C++ has '!insult bill gates'
[02:26] <kkathman> hehe
[02:26] <Dersursine> I could spam that allllllll day long...
[02:27] <kkathman> nalioth: what was that other desktop that someone asked about earlier today (not XFCE) but something that was supposed to be nicer than KDE?
[02:27] <Dersursine> Man, ##C++ and #ubuntu have so many ppl no one even sees what you say half the time
[02:27] <Dersursine> kkathman, gnome? :-p
[02:27] <kkathman> nah
[02:27] <kkathman> I
[02:27] <kkathman> I guess I'll have to scroll back
[02:28] <troth> i just downloaded a .run file, can it be installed on kubuntu and is there a wiki on how to do it?
[02:28] <icewt> sh *.run
[02:28] <icewt> or sudo sh *.run
[02:29] <troth> thats it?
[02:29] <icewt> it should fire up an installer or something, depending on what it is you are trying to install
[02:29] <troth> a free game
[02:30] <nalioth> kkathman: there is nothing nicer then kde.  xpde is a windows xp-like desktop mangler
[02:30] <icewt> try sudo sh *.run then
[02:30] <hybrid_goth> eww
[02:31] <troth> icewt: that was it, thx
[02:31] <troth> the more i learn with linux the more i like :)
[02:31] <kkathman> XPDE is what it was
[02:32] <icewt> troth: good :)
[02:32] <troth> the first 2 weeks were rough, but its all starting to make sense
[02:33] <troth> after you learn all the install procedures really
[02:33] <kkathman> AHH its a windows gdm for linux
[02:34] <troth> icewt: now say i dont like this game, how would uninstalling work?
[02:35] <icewt> troth: depends on the game. it may have an uninstaller of it's own
[02:35] <troth> k i see
[02:35] <icewt> troth: look in the directory where you installed it
[02:35] <troth> k
[02:38] <kkathman> anyone wanna take a stab at this error I got on a "make"?  make[3] : *** [install-libLTLIBRARIES]  Error 1
[02:38] <nalioth> kkathman: install more deb libs
[02:39] <kkathman> nalioth??
[02:39] <kkathman> make[2] : *** [install-am]  Error 2
[02:39] <kkathman> thats another one
[02:40] <kkathman> and this one
[02:40] <nalioth> kkathman: install more dev libs
[02:40] <kkathman> make[1] : *** [install-recursive]  Error 1
[02:40] <kkathman> more dev libs?
[02:40] <kkathman> so, libtlibraries-dev?
[02:40] <nalioth> kkathman: whatever you think you are missing
[02:41] <kkathman> ok well that assumes that I can ascertain that :)
[02:44] <kkathman> thanks anyway nalioth :)
[02:44] <nalioth> kkathman: what are you building?
[02:45] <kkathman> trying knoda again
[02:45] <kkathman> there's no libLTLIBRARIES
[02:51] <Dersursine> wtf, theres a GBA Emulator in KDevelop
[02:51] <kkathman> ?
[02:52] <Dersursine> Game Boy Advanced
[02:52] <nalioth> kkathman: apt-get build-dep knoda does nothing?
[02:54] <kkathman>   libhk-classes7 libhk-classes7-dev libqt3-compat-headers
[02:54] <kkathman> so I go ahead and install these then?
[02:57] <Phily> hi all I'm considering buying a new GPU and want your opinion ATI or NVIDIA, I currently own a crappy Ge-force 2 and I<m considering ATI (because I'm cdn)!
[02:57] <Phily> I<m a little worried about quality of ATI driver
[02:57] <kkathman> NVIDIA
[02:57] <icewt> nvidia
[02:57] <kkathman> too many problems with Linux and ATI
[02:58] <kkathman> ATI is NOT linux friendly
[02:58] <icewt> ati is evil
[02:59] <Phily> icewt: why is ati more evil than NVIDIA ati do release the source after a while
[03:00] <kkathman> Phily: you asked us...experience says nvidia
[03:00] <kkathman> if you want to buy ATI, then go for it and then deal with ATI for support
[03:01] <Phily> kkathman: sorry i thought you were saying evil has in open source i<Ve been a big NVIDIA fan since the TNT series i<ll guest i<ll stick to them
[03:02] <kkathman> no.. just ATI isnt Linux friendly, period.  
[03:03] <Phily> kkathman: will buying a new card help with the new composite extension with NVIDIA its freaking slow on my system
[03:05] <kkathman> NVIDIA has been very friendly, but anything that is "new" will be released on Windows FIRST, then on Linux usually. NVIDIA isnt too bad about it tho.
[03:05] <Phily> the new rubber-band option is slow with NVIDIA driver compared to nv driver any reason
[03:06] <kkathman> im not that familiar with that
[03:12] <apokryphos> Phily: what card do you have
[03:13] <Phily> apokryphos: ggorce 2 mx400
[03:13] <Phily> lol
[03:13] <apokryphos> it's down to your card more than anything
[03:13] <apokryphos> I'd be surprised if there was a signficant difference between the drivers
[03:14] <Phily> apokryphos: well ive been running Linux for over 5 years and want stable driver easy to install so I guest ATI is out
[03:15] <apokryphos> Phily: obviously. But you shouldn't be degenerating to a gforce 2 ;-)
[03:15] <apokryphos> onboards these days don't even come with those :P
[03:15] <Phily> apokryphos: well I,ve decided to upgrade so I need something abrage to run casual games like maybe doom 3
[03:16] <jhealey> helolo
[03:16] <apokryphos> Phily: abrage?
[03:16] <Phily> average
[03:16] <apokryphos> Phily: I'd recommend my card -- nvidia 5200fx
[03:17] <apokryphos> they're about 30 or so (if not less)
[03:17] <kkathman> excellent card :)
[03:17] <apokryphos> if you've got a bigger budjet you could go for a better one, but that one's decent enough
[03:18] <Phily> apokryphos: i was thinking the 6600 or 6600 gt budget wise approx 200$ cdn 150 US
[03:18] <jhealey> hello
[03:18] <apokryphos> Phily: if you can afford it, then that's an excellent choice, definitely.
[03:18] <apokryphos> Phily: that'll run full composite without you noticing any lag :D
[03:19] <Phily> anyone running transparency here is it worth it? any usability improvement or is it just eye candy?
[03:19] <apokryphos> you need a good card for it
[03:19] <apokryphos> eye-candy mostly; usability, it depends on how you configure it
[03:45] <kkathman> Howdy again CyberMad  :)
[03:52] <Phily> amrok deb package on kubuntu does not support music brain!
[04:04] <apokryphos> Phily: it does, but not for mp3 etc formats
[04:04] <apokryphos> it's propietary, so Kubuntu can't ship with it
[04:04] <Phily> apokryphos: well it worked for hoary
[04:04] <apokryphos> nope....
[04:05] <Phily> apokryphos: ok how do I get it working on MP3 maybe I built my own amarok on hoary?
[04:06] <apokryphos> building your own amarok wouldn't make a difference, as it's all down to libtunepimp (which I seriously doubt you built yourself)
[04:11] <nekostar> bbiab restart of this X thing
[04:14] <Phily> apokryphos: not to hard to build libtunepimp
[04:14] <jsubl2> how about the dependencies for libtunepimp
[04:15] <apokryphos> Phily: harder than you'd think, actually
[04:16] <apokryphos> Phily: anyway: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/libtunepimp2c2
[04:17] <Phily> apokryphos: did ./configure but no make file!
[04:17] <Phily> will it compile with gcc4 or 3.4
[04:17] <apokryphos> hm, I see they have a proper compile from source now for Linux -- that's nice. Either I'm now insane, or they certainly didn't have one and used to make it pretty tough for Linux users
[04:18] <apokryphos> Phily: grab the deb I linked to
[04:21] <Phily> apokryphos:   Version 2.1.0 or higher of the MusicBrainz
[04:21] <Phily>  required bla bla to build ok i<ll guest i<ll download the deb package
[04:26] <Phily> apokryphos: ok im stubborn compiling right now
[04:26] <apokryphos> Phily: whatt? Why?
[04:26] <apokryphos> I gave you the exact deb that makes it work. :/
[04:26] <Phily> apokryphos:  building your own amarok wouldn't make a difference, as it's all down to libtunepimp (which I seriously doubt you built yourself)
[04:26] <apokryphos> yes.....and?
[04:27] <apokryphos> obviously you can just use the respective deb (presuming it had mp3 support, which this one does)
[04:30] <apokryphos> man, kompile is pretty sweet. Nice UI
[04:32] <nalioth> kompile?
[04:32] <apokryphos> nalioth: http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=30223
[04:32] <apokryphos> try it out
[04:32] <Phily> apokryphos: got lib-tune working compiled all by myself, amrok is now almost perfect now only if I could tag several files using amarok
[04:33] <apokryphos> congratulations, but I'm wondering why you're not on Gentoo if you love compiling things...
[04:33] <nalioth> apokryphos: can you say "gnu sourceinstall" ?
[04:34] <apokryphos> amaroK is more of a great mp3 player that just happens to have tagging abilities. JuK is more of a tagger, that just so happens to have mp3-playing abilities 8)
[04:34] <Phily> apokryphos: gentoo on my amd 2500 xp+ cost about 50$ of electricity to compile
[04:34] <apokryphos> nalioth: probably not; it's fairly embryonic atm, but nice.
[04:35] <nalioth> apokryphos: "gnu sourceinstall" is this things granddaddy
[04:35] <apokryphos> nalioth: ok; well, try the app out -- really :D
[04:35] <Phily> apokryphos: I compile my own crap when it is not readily available and risk breaking my system with some unsupported package
[04:35] <nalioth> apokryphos: http://www.gnu.org/software/sourceinstall/sourceinstall.html
[04:36] <apokryphos> Phily: considering neither of those was the case....
[04:36] <nalioth> apokryphos: you sure you dont have any italian relatives?
[04:36] <apokryphos> yup
[04:36] <apokryphos> only Greeks in my family :P
[04:37] <Phily> apokryphos: I thought Juk played more files with the latest version
[04:37] <apokryphos> it generally uses the same backend 
[04:37] <nalioth> apokryphos: you know i'm gonna have to rewrite it to use checkinstall, right?
[04:38] <apokryphos> if you want
[04:40] <calcmandan|breez> anyone have a list of kubuntu repos for breezy?
[04:41] <calcmandan|breez> or a location of the list?
[04:41] <apokryphos> !sources
[04:41] <calcmandan|breez> no the official list on the web
[04:41] <apokryphos> argh; people making the factoid unnecessarily long again
[04:41] <Phily> anyone know hoe to use hardware mixing with nforce2 chipset my system uses arts hungry cpu and theirs a buzzing sound in the audio aoutpu.  I<m afraid of using the installer from nvidia
[04:41] <apokryphos> !+sources
[04:41] <ubotu> How to add repositories:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[04:41] <calcmandan|breez> ubotu: thanks
[04:41] <ubotu> calcmandan|breez: my pleasure
[04:42] <Phily> !amarok
[04:42] <ubotu> amarok is, like, totally, a music player for Linux and Unix with an intuitive interface. See http://amarok.kde.org ; amaroK's features: http://amarok.kde.org/content/view/51/1/
[04:42] <Phily> !nforce
[04:42] <apokryphos> ubotu: no sources is <reply> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[04:42] <ubotu> Not a clue, Phily
[04:42] <ubotu> okay, apokryphos
[04:45] <nalioth> apokryphos: there's a lot of that goin on lately
[04:46] <apokryphos> nalioth: it's annoying; ubotu ends up chucking loadsa output, then people find it odd that they can't paste a few lines in the chan :P
[04:47] <calcmandan|breez> i just KNEW I was missing repos on the list.
[04:47] <nalioth> the bot was meant to issue single lines of help
[04:51] <nalioth> apokryphos: re kompile: can you say blisteringly beta? (i smell alpha strongly)
[04:51] <apokryphos> nalioth: I'd say alpha, definitely.
[04:52] <apokryphos> 1.0 isn't out or anything
[04:52] <apokryphos> (in KDE it geennerally means -> embryonic)
[04:52] <nalioth> apokryphos: my alias "build" does the same thing (with less typing)
[04:52] <apokryphos> nalioth: but is it as pretty? ;-)
[04:52] <nalioth> dunno i havent seen this thing work yet
[04:52] <apokryphos> I'm looking at the potential; I think it could be good enough to be default in dapper if it gets a few more options (but does it delicately)
[04:52] <Chani> if I install kubuntu, then install windoze and it overwrites the boot thingy (but not linux itself), is there an easy way of redoing grub/lilo/whatever?
[04:53] <nalioth> and i dont want it "make(ng)install" anything
[04:53] <apokryphos> !tell Chani about grub
[04:53] <nalioth> i use 'checkinstall'
[04:53] <apokryphos> always?
[04:53] <Chani> apokryphos: thanks
[04:53] <nalioth> apokryphos: gnu sourceinstall is mature, just needs a qt wrapper
[04:54] <apokryphos> checkinstall pukes me random errors sometimes; though I don't like having to enter details etc; I prefer just compiling
[04:55] <Chani> apokryphos: oh, nevermind... I was hoping for something simpler than the chroot method...
[04:55] <nalioth> apokryphos: checkinstall only returns the same errors you'd get if you ran dpkg-buildpackage * && sudo dpkg -i *
[04:56] <Chani> apokryphos: or.. well... I'm assuming that the "Recovering GRUB Automatically" requires the stuff above it to be done beforehand.
[04:57] <apokryphos> Chani: there should ideally be a better way; I like the way SuSE handles this personally
[04:57] <Chani> apokryphos: oh?
[04:58] <Chani> I was considering trying suse. but... rpms scare me :)
[04:58] <apokryphos> Chani: well, it has a built-in bootloader on the CD, and has an option to reinstall the bootloader, which works well 
[04:58] <Chani> ah, nice
[04:59] <apokryphos> Chani: SuSE is certainly the most polished distro, and *very* nice in some ways
[04:59] <Chani> that's what I was hoping the kubuntu installer would have'
[04:59] <apokryphos> but rpms and repositories are a bit of a nightmare
[04:59] <apokryphos> especially if you're coming from debian/ubuntu
[04:59] <Chani> how is kubuntu for repository stuff? it's been a while since I had a debian comp... gentoo is just perfect for me, but this is for a friend's comp
[04:59] <apokryphos> Chani: basically as good as Debian
[04:59] <apokryphos> which is, suffice it to say, very good
[04:59] <Chani> I remember having to add some extra sources to debian for stuff.. umm.. mplayer or something
[05:00] <nalioth> Chani: it is perfect here in x/k/ubuntu land
[05:00] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> whats the dvd movie program for linux
[05:00] <Chani> and what's with the incompatibility rumours? if I find a .deb on some random website will it not work in kubuntu?
[05:00] <nalioth> Chani: please ask in here before you go adding things for kubuntu
[05:01] <nalioth> Chani: debian binaries are not good for ubuntu
[05:01] <Chani> shrinkyjL[os] ``: xine or mplayer or something?
[05:01] <apokryphos> Chani: all mplayer stuff is in ubuntu repos
[05:01] <apokryphos> w32codecs isn't in the repo, but there's links to debs for them, right here
[05:01] <Chani> nalioth: so... they might work or they might explode? :)
[05:01] <apokryphos> all you need to do is become friends with the bot :P
[05:01] <apokryphos> Chani: you generally shouldn't use them
[05:02] <nalioth> Chani: mostly they just kill your ubuntu dead
[05:02] <apokryphos> and 99% there should be no need to
[05:02] <Chani> there is some stuff I needed debs for in the past... but... I've mostly abandoned that project now. wait, this isn't even *for* me. :)
[05:03] <Chani> aaand I must go afk.
[05:03] <Chani> thanks
[05:03] <apokryphos> my guess is that you didn't have the appropriate repos enabled ;-)
[05:03] <nalioth> apokryphos: did you check that sourceinstall out?
[05:04] <apokryphos> not really; should I?
[05:04] <nalioth> might take some fire outta your sails over kompile
[05:05] <apokryphos> I really only like kompile because it's simple and pretty
[05:05] <apokryphos> and just what a new end-user needs (if it was more comprehensive in some ways)
[05:06] <nalioth> sourceinstall is uglier than a institutional brick, but it is mature (basically as mentioned, a qt wrapper would do it good)
[05:06] <nalioth> does the same thing as kompile, plus it keeps track of what goes where (sort of like checkinstall)
[05:08] <apokryphos> and how does make install not? 8)
[05:10] <nalioth> make install just puts the stuff in, and once you dump the build dir, your "uninstall" script (if there was one) is gone
[05:11] <apokryphos> true, unless you remake it
[05:11] <apokryphos> though the same principle applies to the checkinstall here
[05:17] <popeyeray> activity
[05:21] <PanBlueCoalition> what's the minimum hw requirements for kubuntu?
[05:21] <popeyeray> bootable
[05:21] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> how do i install a .tar.bz2 file
[05:21] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> if it helps, the program is teamspeak
[05:22] <popeyeray> video technology
[05:22] <popeyeray> I am working at my old alma-mater and espousing the wonderfulness that is Linux.
[05:23] <Hobbsee> PanBlueCoalition: should be the same as this:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseNotes?highlight=%28requirements%29#head-926b69ab76b39955f2710c42c4bf39122ffdc4e5
[05:24] <Hobbsee> shrinkyjL[os] ``: there's usually a readme in the file, use ark to unarchive it, and then follow the readme
[05:24] <PanBlueCoalition> damn, 2gb .
[05:25] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> Hobbsee, thanks
[05:25] <Hobbsee> shrinkyjL[os] ``: no problem
[05:44] <flixor> hya nalioth, well i have decided to reinstall, well i am installing as we speak right now
[05:45] <nalioth> flixor: we know a better path to follow this time, eh?
[05:45] <flixor> lol, yes we do nalioth 
[05:45] <flixor> only ubuntu repos
[05:45] <Hobbsee> what was this for?
[05:45] <flixor> and other stuff i will compile myself
[05:45] <Hobbsee> ah right...how'd you screw up your system lol?
[05:46] <flixor> well Hobbsee well its was not a big problem i wrote my stuff on cdrom 
[05:46] <flixor> so that was save, 
[05:46] <Hobbsee> always useful
[05:47] <flixor> yes it is, but besides that it was quiet usefull to screwup my box
[05:47] <flixor> learned a lot in the process 
[05:47] <flixor> :) but i wont repeat it :)
[05:47] <nalioth> flixor: checkinstall is a good program to use when compiling
[05:47] <nalioth> ubotu: tell flixor about checkinstall
[05:47] <flixor> thanks nalioth 
[05:48] <flixor> btw in wich part of the world do you live nalioth 
[05:48] <nalioth> Texas is where i live
[05:48] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:49] <flixor> texas, good old texas
[05:49] <flixor> well overhere its amsterdam 
[05:52] <flixor> we have a x connection :) 
[05:52] <daleXXgribbel> hey guys, what do i have to do to get kde to read my user's .bash_logout file when kde exits?
[05:58] <flixor> nalioth: what is the url for that pastebin 
[05:58] <flixor> !pastebin
[05:58] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[06:02] <daleXXgribbel> i just edited my /usr/bin/kdestart file and added 'sh /home/$USER/.bash_logout' underneath the logout scripts
[06:02] <daleXXgribbel> seems to work fine
[06:03] <juchipilo> hello, i have a question..  i'm trying to create a new user but i don't have the root passwd. the installation didn't ask me for root password. what would be the default root password?
[06:03] <flixor> nalioth: you did paste the sources.list under the name rick right 
[06:03] <nalioth> flixor: i havent posted a sources list
[06:03] <nalioth> ubotu: tell flixor about sources
[06:04] <laszlok> juchipilo: the root password is the password of the first user you entered
[06:04] <juchipilo> cool, thanks..
[06:05] <laszlok> juchipilo: but there is no root user, the first user has the ability to run sudo
[06:05] <juchipilo> mmh. not good.
[06:06] <juchipilo> it
[06:06] <juchipilo> it's just confusing
[06:06] <laszlok> juchipilo: thats what i thought at first too, but its actually fine. The user does not get root priveleges unless you run sudo and type the password
[06:07] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> what program plays DVDs on linux again?
[06:07] <laszlok> you can create root if you want, but its actually easier to just leave it the way it is
[06:07] <juchipilo> laslok. i prefer the traditional way.
[06:09] <juchipilo> but i'll give it a try
[06:09] <laszlok> #shrinkyjL[os] ``: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-ade7b6cc5a280ee943fd7884cf7dc49ebe7e22ca
[06:10] <kkathman> hey all :)
[06:10] <kkathman> whats up tonight?
[06:12] <flixor> hya morning kkathman 
[06:12] <kkathman> hey there flixor :)
[06:12] <flixor> oke guys for me its mornign ihave to go to bed 
[06:12] <flixor> and wakeup in three hours
[06:12] <flixor> :(
[06:13] <flixor> adios everybody 
[06:13] <flixor> night night
[06:13] <flixor> nalioth: thanks again 
[06:15] <kkathman> night flix
[06:17] <kkathman> wow kinda quiet tonight :)
[06:21] <nalioth> kkathman: tell us a story (in #kubuntu-offtopic, of course)
[06:27] <kkathman> a story?
[06:27] <kkathman> hmm ok
[06:27] <nekostar> ninie
[06:31] <insanekane> hello all
[06:32] <kkathman> hey insanekane  :)
[06:33] <insanekane> hi kkathman 
[06:34] <kkathman> wassup tonight :)
[06:35] <insanekane> nothing much ... working on scim IME issues
[06:36] <kkathman> ahh ok
[06:36] <kkathman> sounds like fun :)
[06:36] <insanekane> not really :/
[06:36] <insanekane> stupid stupid stupid
[06:36] <insanekane> even after patching qt for immodule, it doesnt work ://
[06:39] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> how do i log into root x_x
[06:39] <insanekane> shrinkyjL[os] ``: you don't ... u use sudo
[06:39] <Delvien> sudo -i
[06:39] <nalioth>  !root
[06:39] <ubotu> root is probably disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[06:39] <insanekane> shrinkyjL[os] ``: or, just use console login and then startx
[06:39] <PanBlueCoalition> damn, botched install again. :(
[06:39] <Delvien> Anyone know what version of Internet Explorer  wine runs
[06:40] <kkathman> Why would you want to run Internet Explorer!
[06:40] <kkathman> lol
[06:40] <Delvien> i have to visit a site that requires it, hehe i know i REALLY dont want to 
[06:41] <nalioth> Delvien: just change your user agent string
[06:41] <Delvien> nalioth ?
[06:41] <nalioth> Delvien: there's a firefox extension that does it for you
[06:41] <Delvien> o , lemme check
[06:42] <Delvien> know where i download it?
[06:42] <insanekane> perhaps thats not enough ? some stupid stupid sites use VBScript !!!!
[06:42] <kkathman> well Im about giving up on my compile..just must be a bad source package :(
[06:42] <nalioth> Delvien: the firefox extension page?
[06:43] <Delvien> its the japanese Dell site, i need some info
[06:45] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> wth, i type mkdir codec
[06:45] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> and the flder 
[06:45] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> doesnt come up
[06:45] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> never mind
[06:47] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> how do i copy files into /usr/local/lib/codec
[06:47] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> because it wnt allow me to copy normally because i dnt have permission to
[06:49] <kkathman> shrinkyjL[os] ``: try putting "sudo" in front of your command
[06:49] <kkathman> that raises you to superuser temporarily
[06:49] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> i dont knwo how to copy files through console though
[06:50] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> or bring files from one location to the other
[06:50] <nalioth>  ubotu tell shrinkyjL[os] `` about cli
[06:50] <kkathman> use the cp command
[06:50] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> can you giev an example
[06:51] <kkathman> cp /foodir/foosubdir/file /anotherdir/anothersub
[06:51] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> thanks
[06:51] <kkathman> theres a space between file and /
[06:51] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> k
[06:51] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> does it work for folders too
[06:51] <kkathman> folders?
[06:51] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> yes
[06:51] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> because there are too many files
[06:51] <kkathman> directories?
[06:52] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> yes
[06:52] <kkathman> you can use wildcards just like DOS
[06:52] <nalioth> and dont forget the R option
[06:52] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> so... cp /foodir/foosubdir/* /anotherdir/anothersub
[06:53] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> r?
[06:53] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> woot
[06:53] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> did it
[06:53] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> thanks
[06:54] <kkathman> shrinkyjL[os] ``: you should read up a little on the command line interface before you attempt some of these things
[06:54] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> okay
[06:54] <shrinkyjL[os] ``> thanks anyway
[06:54] <kkathman> np
[07:09] <sergio> hi
[07:10] <sergio> hi
[07:10] <kkathman> hi
[07:10] <sergio> does anybody can tell me where i can find how to add repositories and a list of them?
[07:10] <kkathman> !repos
[07:10] <sergio> i don't understand
[07:10] <kkathman> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[07:11] <nalioth> !tell sergio about repos
[07:11] <nalioth> kkathman: someone has been inflating the factoids
[07:12] <kkathman> inflating the factoids?
[07:12] <kkathman> i notice that sometimes you can ! them in the channel and they print...and other times not
[07:13] <sergio> but i have not adept
[07:13] <kkathman> when they are too long, they dont print them?
[07:13] <kkathman> sergio you dont need adept
[07:14] <kkathman> just get the repos in the examples and make yours like theirs
[07:14] <sergio> and how i do that?
[07:14] <kkathman> !repos
[07:14] <ubotu> kkathman: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[07:14] <kkathman> lol
[07:14] <nalioth> !repos
[07:14] <ubotu> rumour has it, repos is How to add repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[07:14] <kkathman> nalioth read your pm on repos..there is a HowTo there
[07:15] <kkathman> OHHHH ok only the ops can do those now !! sorry bout that
[07:15] <nalioth> kkathman: what is that?
[07:15] <nalioth> !repos
[07:15] <ubotu> hmm... repos is How to add repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[07:15] <kkathman> I did the same thing and got an insult :)
[07:16] <nalioth> kkathman: ubotu is programmed to not flood the channel. if a factoid is longer than a set limit, he send it to you as a priv msg
[07:16] <LeeJunFan> sergio: you need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.lst file.
[07:16] <kkathman> right...and so..it did, but then I typed it again and it insulted me :)
[07:16] <nalioth> notice i edited it and added a new factoid to contain all the info
[07:16] <kkathman> ok
[07:17] <nalioth> idk anything about insults
[07:17] <kkathman> never mind
[07:18] <kkathman> look up...."kkathman: Did you get hit by a windmill?"   an insult :)
[07:36] <sergio> I know i am making problems, but i only need a comman like gedit for ubuntu, i need a command like that for kubuntu
[07:37] <manveru> uhm
[07:37] <manveru> kate?
[07:38] <manveru> nobody is making problems :)
[07:38] <manveru> as long as you don't come running into my house, and point with something dangerous in my direction
[07:40] <nalioth> sergio: use 'kate'
[07:43] <ubuntu> hi guys
[07:43] <sergio> i really apreciate all your answers and i understand you get quiet.
[07:43] <sergio> thankyou
[07:44] <manveru> odd guys come here :) - but better polite than spamming with pr0n...
[07:44] <nondefault> who's odd?
[07:44] <nondefault> =)
[07:45] <nondefault> i'm just trying out the kubuntu livecd and this is the default channel. 
[07:45] <manveru> not you :)
[07:45] <manveru> and, like it?
[07:45] <nondefault> it's most impressive.  booting my powerbook into linux is a strange sensation
[07:45] <manveru> hehe
[07:46] <manveru> tho it's a rare thing that someone dedicates his powerbook to linux
[07:46] <nondefault> yeah well, i wouldnt switch over full time, but it's neat to have the option
[07:47] <manveru> yeah - i have a std notebook - so switching to linux seemed natural to me
[07:47] <nondefault> oh, absolutely. for commodity hardware, linux is the best.
[07:48] <manveru> i guess if i had a mac, i would stick to OSX...
[07:48] <CellarDoor> does anyone use acidrip in here ?
[07:48] <manveru> at least for a while
[07:48] <manveru> nope
[07:48] <manveru> but i could
[07:48] <manveru> ^^
[07:49] <CellarDoor> :/
[07:49] <nondefault> well, i run fink on top of OS X so I have most of the software that is available for linux as well
[07:49] <nondefault> not all though
[07:49] <manveru> yeah, having a linux-based os has some benefits
[07:50] <nondefault> this is a great resource though. now if I have a mac with a dead hard drive I can still get some use out of it
[07:50] <nondefault> i have hordes of old blue & white towers at work
[07:50] <nondefault> and hoards also
[07:50] <manveru> how long does a live-cd live?
[07:50] <kkathman> back..sorry was talking to my kids :)
[07:50] <manveru> -live+life
[07:51] <nondefault> gee, no idea... i guess if I keep it in its case it will survive a while
[07:51] <manveru> hehe
[07:51] <nondefault> i used extra-cheap media
[07:52] <nondefault> this Konversation is a good client. i always used BitchX for IRC before. or mozilla
[07:52] <nalioth> nondefault: irssi
[07:52] <nondefault> yeah, that one too
[07:53] <manveru> i didn't try it before kubuntu as well
[07:53] <manveru> but now i like it better than x-chat
[07:53] <manveru> it seems more integrated - xchat always felt foreign
[07:54] <CellarDoor> konversation is prettier than xchat ;)
[07:54] <kkathman> lol
[07:54] <nondefault> yeah, appeals to us mac users. =)
[07:55] <kkathman> Im out for the night...sleep time...
[07:55] <CellarDoor> nite
[07:55] <kkathman> cyall tomorrow
[07:55] <nondefault> laters kkath
[07:55] <Delvien> Anyone here familiar with Starterbar for gdesklets? if so is there anything like that for SuperKaramba, 
[07:58] <nondefault> what about TuxBar?
[07:58] <nondefault> i saw something about that on the SuperKaramba page
[07:58] <manveru> kxdocker (tho it's still unusable in daily life)
[08:00] <Delvien> nondefault its un-editable, you are stick with what it gives you for icons
[08:01] <nondefault> ooh, that sucks.  and they claim it's like the os x dock. that's slander!
[08:01] <Delvien> yeah
[08:01] <manveru> kxdocker works for me - but it is still sooo alpha
[08:01] <Delvien> slow in other words?
[08:01] <manveru> no
[08:01] <manveru> it is quite fast
[08:02] <manveru> but the transparency sucks, and adding/removing apps is still hard
[08:02] <manveru> that means - removing is going well, only adding is the problem
[08:02] <nondefault> just... not quite stable?
[08:02] <manveru> yeah...
[08:02] <Delvien> Starterbar for gnome Gdesklets is Awesome, but i dont work under gnome anymore
[08:03] <manveru> it was a product from some italians participating in the SommerOfCode
[08:03] <manveru> hmm
[08:03] <manveru> there should be something usable out there
[08:04] <aftertaf> re boing :)
[08:04] <Delvien> i havent found anything that can Drag and drop , other then for gdesklets
[08:04] <manveru> i didn't use this
[08:09] <Delvien> grr im about to just run gdesklets since i have gnome floating anyway
[08:10] <Delvien> Gnome was so much more user friendly.. <considering the switch back..
[08:11] <aftertaf> boo...... ;)
[08:11] <Tm_T> :(
[08:11] <nalioth_zZz> Delvien: you can run adesklets, gdesklets or superkaramba all under gnome, if you like
[08:12] <aftertaf> and under kde too....
[08:12] <Delvien> nalioth_zZz a desklets didnt have any good desklets
[08:12] <nalioth_zZz> Delvien: create some
[08:12] <Tm_T> =)
[08:12] <Delvien> im running Gdesklets right now under KDE
[08:12] <Tm_T> nooooo
[08:12] <Delvien> nalioth i dont know how :P lol
[08:12] <nalioth_zZz> Delvien: they are simple to create, perhaps time to learn some scripting?
[08:13] <Delvien> Tm_T ?
[08:13] <Delvien> nalioth aye, starting my new job soon, hella hours : .
[08:13] <aftertaf> its my nat that keeps dropping me now... the proxy is fine :/
[08:14] <aftertaf> to quote a great man of our time:   d'oh!
[08:15] <Delvien> bah gDesklets is buggy under KDE, that goes out the window
[08:15] <Delvien> time to watch Advent children 
[08:19] <paulproteus> Riddell: The package kubuntu-doc dpkg-divers /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html to /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index-ubuntu.html .  Unfortunately, that means there is no file at /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html.  And Firefox's default home page is that file.  So every time I open a new window, Firefox complains it can't open the default start page.
[08:21] <nondefault> start page can be reset in firefox preferences right?
[08:21] <paulproteus> nondefault: Yes, but for a networked system with lots of e.g. LDAP or NIS users, I don't want to have hack each of their Firefox profiles.
[08:22] <nondefault> yeah, that would be bad
[08:22] <nondefault> unless you could script it
[08:22] <paulproteus> nondefault: It's totally a bug with kubuntu-docs that it makes there be no index.html in that dir.
[08:23] <nondefault> sounds like it
[08:23] <manveru> hmm
[08:23] <manveru> isn't there a kind of proto-config?
[08:28] <Tm_T> haha
[08:31] <nondefault> aha f11, and f12
[08:34] <ganymed> hi. does anybody know how to fix this kcontrol bug... in breezy?
[08:34] <nondefault> haha, battery monitor claims I have 92:45 hours left
[08:35] <Delvien> sweet
[08:35] <Delvien> you have a nuclear reactor hooked up?
[08:35] <nondefault> if that were minutes, it would be more accurate
[08:35] <Delvien> battery life in ubuntu blows :P
[08:35] <paulproteus> nondefault: Mac laptop?
[08:35] <nondefault> yeah
[08:36] <paulproteus> nondefault: Cool, I do that, too. :)
[08:36] <Delvien> what kind?
[08:36] <nondefault> yes to the mac laptop, not to the "nukular" power source
[08:36] <paulproteus> Delvien: Mine is an iBook G4 one gigahertz.
[08:36] <nondefault> 15" aluminum powerbook
[08:36] <Delvien> ah
[08:36] <nondefault> 1ghz
[08:36] <Delvien> not much of a mac guy, 
[08:36] <Delvien> Dell i6000d  here
[08:37] <nondefault> is that a solid machine?
[08:37] <Delvien> cery
[08:37] <Delvien> very *
[08:37] <Delvien> beautiful screen too :)
[08:37] <nondefault> back when I used to do dell laptop support, the CPia laptops were always breaking down on me
[08:37] <Delvien> just make sure to get WSXGA +
[08:37] <Delvien> lol
[08:38] <Delvien> newer ones are much better, i havent had one hardware problem with mine, and its over 6 months old , 
[08:38] <Delvien> 15.4 wide screen : ) my favorite :)
[08:38] <nondefault> that's good.  one can't produce junk for ever and continue to grow the market.
[08:38] <ganymed> you lucky one...
[08:39] <Delvien> Dell support is iffy at times, but i work for a company that does mac support, they charge alot depending on warrenty
[08:39] <Delvien> Dell support is free, no matter what/when or how you got your Dell product, But its not great support, 
[08:40] <Delvien> anyway enough about dell
[08:40] <Delvien> 1ghz ? is it an older ibook ?
[08:40] <ganymed> so does anybody know about that kcotrol bug?
[08:40] <nondefault> was a hand-me-down
[08:40] <nondefault> couple years old at least
[08:40] <Delvien> free == always cool
[08:40] <nondefault> which one ganymed?
[08:40] <Delvien> my first laptop was a Pentium 2 200mhz :)
[08:41] <ganymed> so many, heh?
[08:41] <Delvien> ganymed KDE is still more buggy than gnome :P 
[08:41] <nondefault> i've been computing since 1977, mbut i got my first laptop in 2000. =)
[08:41] <ganymed> that one where you cannot log in as admin
[08:42] <Delvien> my first computer ever was a 386 with windows 3.1 ( i was 9 years old ) 
[08:42] <ganymed> i reinstalled kcontrol. it works... once or twice... and then i would have to reinstall again...
[08:42] <Delvien> ganymed you running things as sudo ?
[08:42] <nondefault> that's super-hitech.  my first computer was a SWTPC 6800 runnign FlexOS.  It had 16 kilobytes of memory with the expansion card.
[08:43] <Delvien> lol !
[08:43] <Delvien> im only 20 so technoligy was high tech"" when i was young
[08:43] <nondefault> but I was almost three. it was my dad's comoputer really, but i learned my alphabet on it
[08:43] <ganymed> i had enabled the super user.. but after having trouble i disabled it again... so the answer is yes, i am using sudo
[08:43] <nondefault> amazing. i'm 29. =)
[08:44] <Delvien> ganymed when you crash under sudo it messes with yout tmps, DO NOT run things as sudo, i have a problem on my comp i cant get rid of because that happend, but everything runs righ tnow
[08:44] <nondefault> sudo is broken? good to know.  we use sudo for everything under os x
[08:44] <ganymed> but how to use kcontrol then (the way it is meant by the developers)
[08:45] <Delvien> OS X is different
[08:45] <Delvien> OS X it was designed for that
[08:45] <nondefault> so su all the way. got it
[08:45] <Delvien> ganymed just dont do su or sudo, just type kcontrol
[08:45] <nondefault> oh, either one?
[08:45] <Delvien> or access it through your GUI
[08:45] <nondefault> eep
[08:45] <ganymed> this mac os like ubuntu behaviour really pisses me of. plain unix behaviour would be no problem anyway
[08:46] <nondefault> actually, delvien is saying it's totally different from a mac
[08:46] <Delvien> ganyemed you didnt expect them to be the same did you ? :P
[08:46] <ganymed> doesn't work. i enter the gui. then i click on admin mode and enter my passwd, and othing happens...
[08:47] <Delvien> ganyemed did you just install ubuntu?
[08:47] <ganymed> off
[08:47] <ganymed> kubuntu
[08:47] <Delvien> w/e
[08:47] <Delvien> did you just install kubuntu?
[08:47] <ganymed> breezy, few days ago. on my samsung nb
[08:47] <Delvien> nb doesnt tell me anything
[08:47] <ganymed> notebook
[08:47] <Delvien> thank you
[08:47] <ganymed> plz :)
[08:48] <Delvien> so is this problem on your laptop ? or Desktop
[08:48] <ganymed> it's in the wiki i think... it's said to be a kde bug (but nobody really knows) and nobody knows how to fix it.
[08:49] <Delvien> ganyemed i reinstalled and it worked for me
[08:49] <Delvien> its iffy at best when these bugs appear
[08:49] <ganymed> me, too. but it does work only couple of times... then it breakes again...
[08:49] <nondefault> bugs are fun. i found a 14-year-old one the other day that still exists in an OS.
[08:50] <Delvien> oh you mean the bug called windows
[08:50] <nondefault> no, this is in OS X.
[08:50] <Delvien> ah :)
[08:50] <nondefault> but the bug came from NeXT
[08:50] <nondefault> and was ported over verbatim
[08:50] <Delvien> I really dont get the hype on macs 
[08:50] <nondefault> good marketing
[08:50] <ganymed> you know. the thing about windows is, since xp it IS a real OS. so competition...
[08:50] <Delvien> Mac users get so excited about tiny features, that other computers have
[08:51] <ganymed> me  neither, but nextyear the whole mac stuff will be gone...
[08:51] <Delvien> i dont know i guess i never understood it
[08:51] <nondefault> heh ganymed. =)
[08:51] <ganymed> yes, apple changes to i86... this is their perdition...
[08:52] <Delvien> Vista looks promising, i was fortunate enough to be able to beta some of the content, Its MEDIA GALORE ! the only microsoft product i would have to say looks really good
[08:52] <ganymed> they should stay where they are...
[08:52] <nondefault> oooh, endian-ness changes, wooo, scary.
[08:52] <ganymed> ?
[08:52] <Delvien> its very hard on your computer though , takes alot of memory, but thats still in beta
[08:53] <nondefault> darwin has run on intel forever. and NeXT has for a very long time
[08:53] <ganymed> but i think it will be hard to crack for any linux desktop... microsoft is becoming "better"
[08:53] <Delvien> ganymed aye but there is always a hacker out there who knows his shit
[08:54] <nondefault> yeah, competition has actually been  good for microsoft. forced them to get off their duffs.
[08:54] <ganymed> i just say, that apple has done great marketing and now, they directly have compete with windows
[08:54] <ganymed> this is true... sadly
[08:54] <nondefault> no, they still won't. apple won't support os x on generic hardware
[08:55] <ganymed> they won't. i didn't know that... then not much will change.
[08:55] <Delvien> nondefault and that will be their downfall
[08:55] <nondefault> people will pirate it, but it wont work well pirated.
[08:55] <nondefault> unless people have the exact same hardware
[08:55] <ganymed> ok. i have to listen to my lecture now.
[08:55] <Delvien> nondefault some dell hackers got OSX to  run 
[08:55] <nondefault> yeah, i read about that
[08:55] <Delvien> but it runs on a 3k laptop
[08:55] <Delvien> crazy
[08:56] <ganymed> and try to solve this buggy kde stuff.... i should study computer science:(
[08:56] <Delvien> reverse engineering
[08:56] <Delvien>  :P
[08:56] <ganymed> cu guys... ciao
[08:56] <Delvien> ciao
[08:56] <nondefault> later gany
[08:56] <Delvien> nondefault whats your bat life in osx
[08:57] <nondefault> i get about 2 hours watching a dvd. but my battery is not very new.
[08:57] <Delvien> in winblowz i get about  3 hours and 40 mins on a 6cell batter ( cheapy batter ) 
[08:57] <Delvien> not bad, 
[08:57] <Delvien> for an older laptop
[08:57] <nondefault> i hear the shift to intel is to get better power efficiency on the new pentium-m
[08:58] <Delvien> Yep ive got Centrino with sonomah tech
[08:58] <nondefault> so maybe next year's apples will do better.
[08:58] <Delvien> *shrug* no telling, but apples are expensive as hell 
[08:58] <nondefault> not so much. 12" powerbooks are 999
[08:58] <nondefault> i mean iBooks
[08:58] <Delvien> what about hte 17''
[08:59] <raphink> wow taht's a big apple !
[08:59] <Delvien> you have to look at the specs as well
[08:59] <nondefault> yes, 17" have a premium. =) apple charges too much for screens
[08:59] <raphink> not very natural I guess :p
[08:59] <Delvien> mines not an apple, but i have a 15.4 wide screen 
[08:59] <nondefault> i would be scared by fruit that big raphael. =)
[08:59] <nondefault> err, raphink
[09:00] <nondefault> widescreen is nice. i like mine
[09:00] <raphink> nondefault: you're the first one to find my name so obvious in my nick 
[09:00] <Delvien> Well guys i gotta get to bed, big day tomorrow : /
[09:00] <raphink> big day today ;)
[09:00] <Delvien> l8ter 
[09:00] <nondefault> k, g'night.
[09:00] <Delvien> err yeah
[09:01] <raphink> night
[09:03] <nondefault> cool, Google supports Nova
[09:03] <nondefault> guten tag manveru
[09:05] <_manveru> moin nondefault 
[09:05] <kamaleon1982> hello
[09:05] <_manveru> hey kamaleon1982
[09:05] <kamaleon1982> bahh!!!
[09:06] <kamaleon1982> :(
[09:10] <_manveru> hm?
[09:10] <Severian> Howdy, I am looking for a concise guide to what packages are needed to develop qt apps.  It is for someone asking about it in the #ubuntu channel.  Can anyone here point me to such a document?  Or, is it reasonable to point the guy over here?
[09:11] <_manveru> isn't there a #qt channel?
[09:12] <insanekane> Severian: libqt3-mt, and qt3-dev i think
[09:12] <_manveru> i guess kdevelop has everything needed
[09:12] <Severian> So there is.  Thank you.  I'll ask over there.  I missed libqt3-mt in my suggestions I'll tell him about that, too.
[09:15] <Severian> Thank y'all  
[09:19] <fdelacruz> hi guys
[09:20] <fdelacruz> first time user of kubuntu need help in configuring network
[09:20] <tvo> hi fdelacruz 
[09:20] <hanseatic> moin moin 'n hello
[09:20] <fdelacruz> hi tvo 
[09:21] <tvo> hi hanseatic 
[09:21] <fdelacruz> just want to ask how can i edit my network
[09:21] <hanseatic> fdel... ask your question
[09:21] <hanseatic> fdel it should be setup automatically if there is a dhcp in your network
[09:22] <fdelacruz> hanseatic I don't have dhcp server and want to use static IP
[09:22] <hanseatic> fdel if not, there is the command ifconfig
[09:23] <hanseatic> or are you talking bout windows network environment?
[09:23] <raphink> fdelacruz: open systemsettings
[09:24] <raphink> and go to Internet and Networks -> Networks settings
[09:24] <fdelacruz> I already try that using GUI but everytime I apply the new seting it goes to its original setup
[09:25] <raphink> hmmm
[09:25] <hanseatic> there is a bug, that it does not connect to kdesu
[09:25] <raphink> fdelacruz: type `cat /etc/network/interfaces' in a terminal
[09:25] <raphink> and paste the result in the pastebin (see topic)
[09:26] <hanseatic> raphael it is probably cause he cant sudo the settings ;o)
[09:26] <hanseatic> raphink... sry
[09:26] <fdelacruz> and one morething when the service is always failed when I restart 
[09:27] <fdelacruz> networking service is always failed when I stop and restart
[09:27] <raphink> fdelacruz: did you do what I told you?
[09:27] <fdelacruz> wait 
[09:27] <fdelacruz> my kubuntu is on my other machine
[09:30] <raphink> wb nondefault 
[09:31] <nondefault> thanks
[09:31] <nondefault> it's been so long since I seriously used irc, i has no idea /list was such a bad idea
[09:31] <raphink> especially on freenode
[09:31] <raphink> lol
[09:31] <hanseatic> fdel can you start adept sucessfully after triing to set the system settings in admin mode?
[09:34] <mth`MAW> Moin
[09:34] <raphink> moin?
[09:34] <raphink> plu!
[09:35] <hanseatic> i have folowed the howto for installing the radeon driver....now how do i see if it worked.... when i look into the infocenter the open-gl tab still sees mesa
[09:35] <fdelacruz> hans wait
[09:35] <hanseatic> moin moin.... english channel ;o)
[09:35] <mth`MAW> Sorry, wrong channel, wrong language....
[09:35] <mth`MAW> Good morning Ladies an getlemen
[09:35] <hanseatic> fdel wait for what?
[09:36] <nondefault> heh, ladies.
[09:36] <mth`MAW> No my name is (suprise) not Hanse
[09:36] <mth`MAW> Hans
[09:37] <op> I have two routers in my house one is a netgear and i have some computers on that one and then i have a linksys that came with my Voice over ip and i have a linux system on that one does anyone know how i can get the other computers to access my linux box on the other router. Could i use samba. or do they all have to be part of the same workgroup?
[09:37] <nondefault> depends on how the routers are configured
[09:38] <nondefault> is everything on the same subnet?
[09:39] <nondefault> i mean, theoretically if you use the right addressing scheme, it should work as long as you know the addresses
[09:39] <op> no it is not the voice over ip router will not let me disable rounting on it so everything on it has a different ip as the other router but it is using the other rounter as it's own dns server
[09:40] <nondefault> ok so two subnets.  and traffic is routed from one to the other?
[09:40] <op> yeah
[09:40] <nondefault> I would think it would work if you specify addresses explicitly but maybe things would not show up in network neighborhood or equivalent
[09:42] <op> mmm yeah that is what is happening right now i will keep playingwith it and i may need toredo the way the networks are setup to get rid of one of the subnets
[09:48] <thomas> hey
[09:48] <fdelacruz> guys what do you mean by You have to type an alias first
[09:48] <fdelacruz> Im adding DNS server using GUI
[09:50] <sampan> does anyone know how to get firefox to print (say, text emails) at a reasonable font-size?  it's like 20 pt and bold -- can't even fit 80 character space email lines on one line of page space :/ 
[09:51] <raphink> lol
[09:51] <sampan> i've fiddled with the font settings in firefox and kde (and tried printing in opera and konq -- both of those print reasonable size, looks like 12 pt, but still bold)
[09:51] <raphink> that's terrible
[09:51] <raphink> I don't use firefox anymore ;)
[09:51] <sampan> lol -- well i'm not gonna be using it for emails if i can't get it to print decently -- it's doing emails like banner-sized :X
[09:52] <raphink> why don' tyou use kontact for emails?
[09:52] <fdelacruz> guys why does the networking service does not stop or should I say the services couldnot stop and restart
[09:52] <raphink> fdelacruz: I asked you to give me a few infos
[09:52] <raphink> did you get them?
[09:53] <sampan> raphink  because my wife and i use a web-based email since we check it from multiple systems in multiple geographical locations
[09:53] <raphink> hmm so do I sampan 
[09:53] <raphink> I use gmail so I can check it anywhere
[09:53] <raphink> still I get them on kontact ;)
[09:53] <raphink> and I leave them on the server
[09:54] <fdelacruz> raphink, In already edit the networking using GUI i use the kcontrol but my problem now is when I try to restart the networking service it always failed
[09:54] <sampan> *nod*  that would be a workaround (for us), but still it would be nice to have an application actually function as it should instead of having to use another application to do the same job
[09:54] <raphink> I know that fdelacruz 
[09:54] <raphink> and that is why I asked you to paste your /etc/network/interfaces in the pastebin
[09:55] <raphink> sampan: konqueror won't do ?
[09:55] <fdelacruz> how can I do that my kubuntu machine cannot access internet
[09:55] <sampan> raphink, both konq and opera print at a reasonable font size (about 12 pt), but it's still heavy-bold
[09:56] <sampan> and i've fiddled with their font/appearance and kde settings and can't get them to stop doing that either -- very strange
[09:56] <fdelacruz> k thi is my /etc/networking/interfaces
[09:56] <raphink> not here fdelacruz 
[09:56] <raphink> not here
[09:56] <fdelacruz> where?
[09:56] <raphink> paste it to the pastebin
[09:56] <raphink> see topic
[09:57] <raphink> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[09:57] <fdelacruz> ktrying to access pastebin
[09:57] <nondefault> whoa, that pastebin site looks extremely useful
[10:02] <fdelacruz> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/414560 raphink kindly check this
[10:05] <raphink> wait a min
[10:06] <raphink> fdelacruz: no link but do you have a good reason not to use a C-class network?
[10:06] <fdelacruz> actually I replace that ip for security reason 
[10:07] <fdelacruz> my ip is public
[10:07] <raphink> your computer's ip can't be public
[10:07] <raphink> if you're behind a router
[10:07] <raphink> :s
[10:07] <raphink> if you get the ip from the router
[10:07] <fdelacruz> so waht will be the format of my /etc/networking/interfaces
[10:07] <raphink> and it works as a bridge
[10:07] <raphink> then you should use automatic ip
[10:07] <raphink> instead of fix
[10:08] <raphink> what exactly do yo uhave fdelacruz ?
[10:08] <raphink> you have a computer behind a router right?
[10:08] <fdelacruz> no raphink I dont have router my ip is static that my isp provided me
[10:08] <raphink> how do you connect to the internet fdelacruz ?
[10:08] <fdelacruz> no my kubuntu is directly to my dsl modem
[10:09] <raphink> yes so you use a dsl modem
[10:09] <raphink> what kind of dsl modem?
[10:09] <raphink> PPPoE ? PPPoA ?
[10:09] <raphink> DHCP?
[10:10] <fdelacruz> dsl with static IP async
[10:10] <raphink> fdelacruz: your DSL modem gets the static IP and works as a bridge right?
[10:10] <fdelacruz> yes
[10:10] <raphink> do you need to identify?
[10:10] <fdelacruz> what specif IP?
[10:11] <fdelacruz> actually I did same setup with my ubuntu and works properly
[10:11] <raphink> fdelacruz: do you have an identification (user and passwd) to connect to the internet?
[10:11] <raphink> hmmm
[10:11] <raphink> fdelacruz: on the same machine?
[10:12] <raphink> fdelacruz: you could use the /etc/network/interfaces from your ubuntu then
[10:12] <raphink> if it works ;)
[10:12] <fdelacruz> no I dont need to supply username and password once I use the specific ip I can already connect to internet as I use with my ubuntu machine
[10:13] <fdelacruz> yes raphink it works with my ubuntu
[10:13] <raphink> then copy your /etc/network/interfaces ;)
[10:13] <fdelacruz> raph I already reinstall my machine with Kubuntu
[10:13] <raphink> you reinstalled?
[10:13] <raphink> hmm
[10:13] <papa> salut
[10:14] <raphink> kubuntu is not differnet from ubuntu fdelacruz 
[10:14] <raphink> papa: /join #kubuntu-fr
[10:14] <raphink> fdelacruz: there's no need to reinstall when you want to switch from ubuntu to kubuntu
[10:14] <raphink> just install more packages
[10:15] <fdelacruz> 'yeah I know but when configuring the network setup thats the time im having a problem
[10:17] <Cheapy> aw
[10:17] <Cheapy> can't unmount cdrom
[10:17] <Cheapy> while installing ut2004
[10:21] <Cheapy> can't unmount cdrom drive at all
[10:21] <Cheapy> says it's busy
[10:21] <Cheapy> but it's not
[10:21] <Cheapy> hrm
[10:23] <_lexhider> anyone recommend a bittorrent client?
[10:23] <raphink> _lexhider: qtorrent or bittornado
[10:23] <Tm_T> Ktorrent (trunk!)
[10:25] <Cheapy> i did a force unmount, but that didn't eject the drive either
[10:26] <aftertaf> Cheapy> youre not in /media/cdrom or /cdrom in the console?
[10:26] <Cheapy> that's the prob? hm
[10:28] <Cheapy> cool it's working, thanks
[10:28] <aftertaf> hehe ;)
[10:31] <nondefault> i like azureus for bittorrent
[10:36] <Luen> hi
[10:36] <chakie_work> hm, is there a dvd iso for breezy?
[10:36] <Luen> do you know a free VMware like software
[10:37] <crimsun> chakie_work: yes
[10:38] <chakie_work> crimsun: great, will have to download today and give this old fedora some new blood^Wbits
[10:41] <NutterUK> www.badgerbadgerbadger.com rocks
[10:42] <verden01> why
[10:55] <chakie_work> is cdimage.ubuntu.com dead?
[10:55] <chakie_work> ah no, now it showed up
[11:15] <hanseatic> i am triing to setup 3d support for my ati radeon mobility M6 LY. when i use the fglrxconfig it reports that none of the supported garphic cards are found
[11:16] <hanseatic> the original xorg.conf has got an 	Identifier	"ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon Mobility 9000 (M6 LY)"
[11:16] <hanseatic> line though
[11:40] <cryptom> hi, how can I administrate cups printers in kubuntu (when I connect to localhost:631 it wants a root pwd I have not set)
[11:41] <mth`MAW> alt+f2 kcontrol -> printers ?!
[11:42] <cryptom> mth`MAW, thanks, I forgot the control center... used to work with wmaker before ;-)
[11:43] <mth`MAW> np
[11:44] <^rob^> hi
[11:45] <^rob^> what;s this? - err on apt-get update!
[11:45] <^rob^> W: GPG error: ... key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088  W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[11:45] <^rob^> this is on apt-get update 
[11:46] <Tm_T> W as warning
[11:46] <Tm_T> ignore it
[11:47] <^rob^> ok ty
[11:48] <^rob^> i want to upgrade kde to 3.4.3 
[11:48] <^rob^> ;)
[11:48] <^rob^> anyone use 3.4.3 ?
[11:48] <blueman> 0131 am turkey 
[11:48] <Tm_T> 3.5 here
[11:48] <blueman> hello
[11:48] <^rob^> Tm_T: 3.5 is beta 2 :)
[11:48] <^rob^> i preffer stable one
[11:48] <blueman> am0131n0131za koyay0131m m0131
[11:48] <blueman> ??
[11:48] <^rob^> Tm_T: any problems in 3.5 ?
[11:48] <Tm_T> ^rob^: not to me
[11:49] <blueman> ?
[11:49] <^rob^> yes
[11:49] <^rob^> blueman : use no collors man
[11:49] <^rob^> i'm not english neither! :)
[11:50] <blueman> rob
[11:50] <^rob^> (12:48:46) blueman: am0131n0131za koyay0131m m0131
[11:50] <^rob^> you see that in collor?
[11:50] <blueman> :D 
[11:50] <^rob^> i see codes of collor before
[11:51] <blueman> rob no speak english
[11:51] <Chameleon22> trying to use kaudiocreator and it needs lame, apt-cache doesnt seem to know wtf lame is. Does anyone know what pkg lame is in ?
[11:51] <^rob^> Tm_T: so ... any problems in 3.5 - major ones
[11:51] <Tm_T> ^rob^: not here, some people keep whining though ;-P
[11:51] <^rob^> Chameleon22: do you have universe and multiverse on your apt ?
[11:51] <Chameleon22> ^rob^, certainly do 
[11:52] <blueman> how are you rob ???
[11:52] <blueman> :) 
[11:52] <^rob^> apt-cache search lame
[11:52] <^rob^> ...
[11:52] <^rob^>  lame - LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder
[11:52] <^rob^> blueman ty - fine - you?
[11:52] <Chameleon22> ^rob^, let me rephrase this... la la la i am a spazz, had it comented it out 
[11:52] <Chameleon22> lol
[11:53] <blueman> fine thank ron thank you
[11:53] <Chameleon22> ^rob^, always overlook the simplest solutions. thanks
[11:53] <^rob^> blueman - good then - we're both fine :)
[11:53] <^rob^> Chameleon22: you-re welcome :)
[11:53] <^rob^> blueman: near you - romania :)
[11:54] <blueman> ohhhh
[11:54] <^rob^> blueman: if i look at the window - I might see you - lol
[11:54] <^rob^> anyone has laser carver on linux?
[11:54] <^rob^> i mean laser engraver
[11:56] <blueman> how old are you rob ?
[11:56] <^rob^> 32 - you?
[11:56] <blueman> 18 
[11:57] <^rob^> My isp is using DHCP from tomorow - no more fixed ip allowed - how do i change the setting that my netcard to use dhcp instead fixed ip ???
[11:58] <blueman> this place an romania canal  wonder rob ????
[11:59] <blueman> to know rob
[11:59] <blueman> ?
[11:59] <^rob^> ammm... i don't quite understand your question! - can you be more specific?
[11:59] <^rob^> you asked if... this channel is a romanian one? - or else.
[12:02] <blueman> oke  about rob 0131 am  departureeee
[12:02] <blueman> byeeee
[12:02] <blueman> rob
[12:02] <blueman> :) 
[12:02] <^rob^> bye
[12:02] <^rob^> :)
[12:02] <blueman> byee romania
[12:02] <^rob^> bye turkey! :)
[12:02] <blueman> heheeh
[12:03] <^rob^> so
[12:03] <^rob^> can anybody help me with dhcp?
[12:05] <^rob^> nevermind, i have found the answer on http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-82258.html :)
[12:23] <miglia> all my apt-get update server addresses are resolving to 1.0.0.0, does anyone know why they might be doing this ?
[12:24] <propagandhi> miglia: have you looked at the sources.list
[12:25] <stratovarius> hey guys
[12:26] <miglia> yes the addresses are all like: eb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted
[12:26] <stratovarius> I'm still trying to install nvidia drivers on my kubuntu breezy (kernel 2.6.12-9-386). nvidia installer says me unable to load nvidia.ko etc ehat can I do?
[12:26] <stratovarius> *what
[12:26] <miglia> it's just when apt-get update is invoked it says: 50% [Connecting to gb.archive.ubuntu.com (1.0.0.0)
[12:28] <stratovarius> nobody can help me pls?
[12:35] <manveru> stratovarius: why build your own driver?
[12:35] <stratovarius> manveru: what shiuld I do?
[12:37] <manveru> stratovarius: well, you tried doing it the std-way?
[12:37] <stratovarius> std-way???
[12:37] <manveru> stratovarius: as far as i can remember you tried it... did something bad happen?
[12:37] <manveru> stratovarius: standard, ie - like the wiki says
[12:37] <stratovarius> yes
[12:37] <stratovarius> manveru
[12:38] <stratovarius> wait for a while
[12:38] <manveru> k
[12:38] <manveru> doing random things, so just ping me and i'm there
[12:39] <stratovarius> maybe I solved my problem
[12:39] <stratovarius> manvru I downloaded kernel sources woith adept
[12:39] <stratovarius> where did it download them?
[12:40] <manveru> you need the location of the source?
[12:40] <stratovarius> ye
[12:40] <stratovarius> yes I do
[12:40] <manveru> opportunity to learn something new for me :)
[12:41] <manveru> howto find out where a deb puts its files
[12:41] <stratovarius> I think in /usr/src
[12:41] <manveru> yeah, this should be it
[12:41] <manveru> but maybe /usr/share
[12:42] <apokryphos> manveru: dpkg -c
[12:43] <manveru> this is only when you have got the deb, right?
[12:43] <manveru> when i do a dpkg -l *kernel* i get the kernel-header-files is installed
[12:44] <manveru> now, how do i query the kernel-header-files?
[12:45] <apokryphos> manveru: eh? Query them?
[12:45] <manveru> get information about it
[12:45] <manveru> what files are in there, versions, maintainers...
[12:45] <manveru> ah -L
[12:46] <apokryphos> yes, if you have the deb. If you don't, then you'll need to be using apt-cache
[12:49] <miglia> hi folks, sorry to bother, but I have another problem
[12:50] <miglia> The DNS resolving does not seem to work in some programs
[12:50] <miglia> "ping" works fine and can resolve any address
[12:50] <miglia> konqueror is also fine
[12:50] <miglia> but mozilla cannot resolve www.google.com, although 66.249.93.104 works fine...
[12:51] <miglia> ( 66.249.93.104 is the IP address of google as discovered by ping
[12:58] <rikva> miglia: what does "nslookup google.com" say?
[01:03] <Juerd> Google has some dns and routing problems at the moment
[01:03] <Juerd> It's probably best to pick other examples :)
[01:07] <sikor_sxe> how come i can't install some packages in adept
[01:07] <sikor_sxe> like the kasablanca package, i click install and nothing happens
[01:18] <cryptom> is it possible to configure kde to switch workspaces like it is done in windowmaker (Alt-1, Alt-2, ...)?
[01:25] <apokryphos> cryptom: yes; edit the shortcut from systemsettings -> regional accessibility
[01:26] <cryptom> apokryphos, thanks, I will try
[01:29] <cryptom> apokryphos, well, its not possible to assign alt-1 to the first workspace, alt-2 to the second, ... (only alt-1 next or previous, left, right, ?!up, down)
[01:29] <apokryphos> cryptom: nope; change to the Shortcut Sequences tab
[01:29] <cryptom> apokryphos, sorry, found it!
[01:29] <apokryphos> =)
[01:31] <memdatacore> hi guys ...
[01:33] <siren> are there other possibilities to remote control an kubuntu pc than vnc?
[01:46] <aftertaf> siren> ssh
[01:46] <aftertaf> siren> depends what you want to remote control exactly.
[01:48] <r_siren> the complete GUI .. similar to VNC
[01:48] <sikor_sxe> uhm
[01:48] <sikor_sxe> what about that remote kde thing?
[01:48] <sikor_sxe> NX or something
[01:49] <r_siren> it suxs! :) 
[01:49] <r_siren> its runs, but you can work proper..
[01:50] <sikor_sxe> :/
[01:50] <aftertaf> r_siren> or wth ssh, you run X apps that way, even login via kdm that way.
[01:50] <aftertaf> is it for a remote assistance type of thing?
[01:51] <r_siren> how to do that exactly?
[01:51] <r_siren> yeah, it is
[01:52] <aftertaf> r_siren> remote assistance thing? dont know. you can remote login as linux is true multiuser. cant you use vnc for what you do?
[01:53] <sikor_sxe> i can't install the kde devel packages on breezy, 
[01:53] <sikor_sxe> i got kdelibs4c2 installed
[01:54] <sikor_sxe> and there's no dev package for that
[01:54] <apokryphos> sikor_sxe: install kde-devel
[01:54] <sikor_sxe> when i choose kde-devel or kdelibs4-dev it breaks install
[01:54] <apokryphos> what error?
[01:54] <sikor_sxe> it says BREAK (install)
[01:55] <sikor_sxe> and won't perform the update
[01:58] <sikor_sxe> overall i have the impression that kubuntu breezy is a bit rushed
[01:58] <sikor_sxe> there are flaws everywhere
[01:58] <apokryphos> sikor_sxe: I'm sure it says much more than that
[01:59] <Strike4ce> How do I stop x in kubuntu?
[01:59] <apokryphos> sikor_sxe: err, what other flaws everywhere?
[01:59] <apokryphos> and I'm not convinced that what you say is a flaw at all
[01:59] <apokryphos> never heard your problem before, and suffice it to say a lot of people have needed to install the kde headers. I'm more inclined to think that the problem is on your end
[01:59] <Strike4ce> apokryphos how do I stop X?
[01:59] <sikor_sxe> well kdesu crashes al the time
[01:59] <apokryphos> Strike4ce: logout, then ctrl+alt+backspace
[01:59] <apokryphos> sikor_sxe: crashes? When?
[02:00] <apokryphos> again, never heard of that
[02:00] <Strike4ce> apokryphos that takes ne back to the login screen
[02:00] <sikor_sxe> apokryphos: after i type the password nothing happes
[02:00] <sikor_sxe> happens
[02:00] <sikor_sxe> i have to kill kdesu manually
[02:00] <apokryphos> Strike4ce: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[02:00] <aftertaf> apokryphos> true, times when that happens... and a few ppl have mentioned it
[02:00] <sikor_sxe> and then run adept again
[02:01] <Strike4ce> ctrl alt f1 then that command apokryphos?
[02:01] <apokryphos> sikor_sxe: run it from a terminal and then pastebin the output
[02:01] <apokryphos> Strike4ce: no need to, but sure
[02:01] <sikor_sxe> from terminal it usually works
[02:02] <sikor_sxe> i had this yin hoary 
[02:02] <sikor_sxe> i had this yet in hoary 
[02:03] <Strike4ce> apokryphos now it is stuck on checking battery state
[02:04] <aftertaf> Strike4ce> no it isnt, it seems to be...
[02:04] <Strike4ce> apokryphos how about init 3 and then init 5
[02:04] <aftertaf> Strike4ce> press Alt + F1
[02:04] <apokryphos> Strike4ce: what?
[02:04] <sikor_sxe> apokryphos: i can't use almost every root config tool in system settings, aswell. there's just a blank widget after entering the administrator mode. anyway, but that's not the issue right now. i need to install kde headers. surprisingly, kde is *not* installed, says adept.
[02:04] <aftertaf> apokryphos> it does that sometimes... shows the last part of the bootup info instead of a login prompt
[02:04] <sikor_sxe> so i guess that's why installing kde-devel fails
[02:05] <Strike4ce> aftertaf k display manager is not running. Does that mean X is stopped?
[02:05] <apokryphos> sikor_sxe: (i) are you on i386; (ii) how did you install kubuntu?
[02:05] <aftertaf> Strike4ce> not necessarily, you can run 1 without the ther
[02:05] <aftertaf> *other
[02:05] <Strike4ce> How do I completely kill x?
[02:05] <aftertaf> Strike4ce> but in our case, probably
[02:05] <aftertaf> Strike4ce> did you login to console?
[02:05] <apokryphos> sikor_sxe: no, just not having kde wouldn't make installing kde-devel fail. Remember, apt resolves depends
[02:05] <Strike4ce> yes
[02:06] <aftertaf> Strike4ce> ok. type ps -A and see if you have xorg running
[02:06] <aftertaf> is so, X is running, if not you're fine.
[02:06] <ubuntu> is there a way to have write access with the live-cd?
[02:07] <Strike4ce> a bunch of stuff popped up aftertaf
[02:07] <aftertaf> ubuntu> to a HDD? yes, unmount it and remount with rw access
[02:07] <sikor_sxe> apokryphos: ok, when i select kde-devel there's a red "BREAK (install)" written in the action tab
[02:07] <aftertaf> Strike4ce> hehe all your running processes.   
[02:07] <apokryphos> sikor_sxe: sudo apt-get install kde-devel, then pastebin the output
[02:07] <aftertaf> Strike4ce> you can pause it screen by screen, or just filter for xorg.
[02:07] <sikor_sxe> ok
[02:07] <Strike4ce> so those should not be running?
[02:08] <aftertaf> Strike4ce>  1) ps -A | more    2) ps -A | grep xorg
[02:08] <aftertaf> Strike4ce> yes they should, a lot of things run even when X doesnt.
[02:09] <ubuntu> shadowfs: the problem is that i don't see the second hd listed
[02:10] <sikor_sxe> apokryphos: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/414694
[02:10] <aftertaf> ubuntu> type  'mount' to see what is mounted...... and fdisk -l to see what partitions you have avaliable
[02:10] <apokryphos> sikor_sxe: did you upgrade from hoary?
[02:10] <sikor_sxe> apokryphos: yep
[02:10] <apokryphos> sounds like another case of someone who didn't upgrade properly
[02:11] <apokryphos> you're meant to have kubuntu-desktop installed before you dist-upgrade
[02:11] <sikor_sxe> hmm
[02:11] <aftertaf> hmmm :)
[02:11] <sikor_sxe> i followed directions on te homepage, and everything went smooth
[02:12] <apokryphos> sikor_sxe: link?
[02:12] <sikor_sxe> to the directions?
[02:13] <apokryphos> yes
[02:13] <ubuntu> aftertaf: the disk i want mounted is not in mount, but it is in sudo fdisk -l
[02:13] <sikor_sxe> it was on the kubuntu breezy release info page, 1 secc
[02:14] <sikor_sxe> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/breezy-release.php
[02:14] <apokryphos> hm, if you mean the Announcement page, doesn't seem to be mentioned
[02:14] <apokryphos> gah
[02:14] <sikor_sxe> i updated from kubuntu hoary
[02:14] <sikor_sxe> not from ubuntu
[02:15] <ubuntu> aftertaf: and when i try to umount and remount sda1 (the files i want to backup), it says drive busy
[02:15] <apokryphos> sikor_sxe: you still should have buntu-desktop before upgrading
[02:15] <ubuntu> problem background: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=84936
[02:16] <Strike4ce> how do I go about testing my X.org configuration?
[02:17] <Strike4ce> aftertaf you know?
[02:17] <Strike4ce> apokryphos do you know how to test x.org configuration?
[02:18] <apokryphos> try starting X, obviously
[02:18] <Strike4ce> nevermind LOL
[02:18] <apokryphos> sikor_sxe: what I would do is strip all desktop things from your computer, then install kubuntu-desktop
[02:19] <Strike4ce> Damn some of this stuff is so obvious if I actually read. Sorry people
[02:19] <apokryphos> sikor_sxe: you can use debfoster (install it, then debfoster --help), and use it in conjugation with the ubuntu-base metapackage
[02:19] <apokryphos> gotta go now; will help later if I'm around
[02:19] <sikor_sxe> thanks alot
[02:21] <aftertaf> Strike4ce> hehe startx
[02:21] <aftertaf> ubuntu> ok. for sda1, make sure you close all windows using it, and change dirs if you are in sda1 in console.
[02:21] <aftertaf> ubuntu> the fdisk -l partition, what is it and what fstype is it?
[02:22] <spiral> hi
[02:22] <aftertaf> reboujou spiral
[02:23] <spiral> aftertaf: ;-)
[02:23] <ubuntu> afteraf: sda1 was my / linux ext3 disk
[02:23] <Riddell> paulproteus: they changed the ubuntu-artwork without telling anyone
[02:24] <ubuntu> included /home, where i want to make a backup from
[02:24] <aftertaf> ubuntu> erf really? / disk?   is that cos of live cd?
[02:24] <aftertaf> ubuntu> sda1 is a fixed HD or a usb key?
[02:25] <ubuntu> aftertaf: no it was / when kubuntu did run on it, but now adept did a poor job of deleting packages (see forum linf for info)
[02:25] <aftertaf> ok and you want to do what to it?
[02:25] <ubuntu> aftertaf: fixed
[02:26] <aftertaf> hehe ok. need to read forum still ?
[02:26] <ubuntu> aftertaf: i want to read some files from it and backup on my second(not listed partition)
[02:27] <ubuntu> aftertaf: maybe you have a better idea to save me from loosing data
[02:27] <aftertaf> ubuntu> ok. you should have read acess at least then.
[02:28] <ubuntu> aftertaf: i have, but i can not find my files in /home
[02:28] <aftertaf> ubuntu> were they on the same partition?
[02:28] <ubuntu> as /? yes
[02:29] <aftertaf> and you cant find them?   how is sda1 mounted?
[02:29] <aftertaf> paste the 1 line for sda1 you get when typing mount
[02:30] <mornfall> ubuntu: uh-oh... are you -sure- it didn't list anything else in preview changes?
[02:30] <ubuntu> aftertaf: it's called /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot i think
[02:30] <mornfall> ubuntu: that *shouldn't* happen
[02:30] <ubuntu> mornfall: absolutely
[02:31] <ubuntu> i know, hehe
[02:31] <ubuntu> aftertaf: /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot on / type auto (rw,noatime) is the disk listed in media:/
[02:32] <ubuntu> aftertaf: but it looks like a different disk then my original /dev/sda1
[02:33] <aftertaf> hmmm.
[02:33] <aftertaf> ubuntu> not 100% sure its mounted your original HDD.. dunno why, but i cant see why it would mount it as sda1. maybe its a ram snapshot used bu the live cd....
[02:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> can you #flood the output of 'mount' and 'cat /proc/partitions' ubuntu?
[02:34] <mornfall> trying to remove libc6 with adept lists about 1200 removals in preview
[02:34] <mornfall> hmm
[02:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi mez
[02:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> removing libc? o_)
[02:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[02:35] <Mez> morning
[02:35] <mornfall> just testing preview
[02:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:36] <aftertaf> morning Mez 
[02:37] <fatbrain> What can I *put* in the /var folder?
[02:37] <mornfall> fatbrain: usually, system puts things there :)
[02:37] <aftertaf> fatbrain> normally you shouldnt put anything.
[02:37] <ubuntu> mornfall: i intalled the libc6 from packages.debian.org over the ubuntu package because i needed a newer package for libtorrent/rtorrent, after that i remove it and it went "crazy"
[02:38] <aftertaf> ubuntu> that wont ave helped.
[02:38] <mornfall> ubuntu: oh lord
[02:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> fatbrain in www usualy put websites
[02:38] <aftertaf> non ubuntu system packages can seriously damage your health
[02:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> woow.....
[02:38] <fatbrain> Kamping_Kaiser: yeah, that was my follow-up question (apache example had a www in /var) :)
[02:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:38] <ubuntu> aftertaf: i learned that the hard way i think :p
[02:38] <aftertaf> hehe ubuntu yep.
[02:38] <mornfall> ubuntu: i'm not too surprized it removed lots of stuff... however, i am still surprized about the preview
[02:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> fatbrain, itmay however be more worth your while using your public_html dir
[02:39] <aftertaf> ubuntu> mount your home, back it up and reinstall dude
[02:39] <mornfall> ubuntu: (downgrading glibc is usually done with dpkg :))
[02:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> and maby using apache to alias /var/www/ to ~/public_html
[02:39] <fatbrain> Kamping_Kaiser: care to elaborate?
[02:39] <aftertaf> ubuntu> thats a point, is dpkg still on your system?
[02:39] <fatbrain> Kamping_Kaiser: ah, gotcha
[02:39] <mornfall> aftertaf: c'mon, this debian installation survived since woody was new, including dpkg and debconf database corruption
[02:39] <aftertaf> ubuntu> you said apt was gone, but if dpkg is still there...
[02:39] <mornfall> aftertaf: it's not hard to recover debian :))
[02:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> mornfall: but it's not alwasy fun ;)
[02:40] <aftertaf> mornfall> hehe... depends on what/who you know
[02:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: as long as you have a working apt+dpkg, it's reasonably easy
[02:40] <ubuntu> aftertaf: i have to look for dpkg, but then i still have to download lots of packages by hand am i?
[02:40] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser> true
[02:41] <aftertaf> ubuntu> nope... /var/cache/apt
[02:41] <mornfall> you can do it offline
[02:41] <aftertaf> reinstall apt with it :)
[02:41] <mornfall> not much of a problem
[02:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: try sudo apt-get --purge remove apt-* and see the warning mesage you get ;)
[02:41] <Strike4ce> aftertaf do you know how I can get into menu config?
[02:41] <aftertaf> Strike4ce> which menus?
[02:42] <mornfall> Kamping_Kaiser: the problem is probably that adept is not exactly unhappy about removing essential packages :P
[02:42] <Strike4ce> kernel source
[02:42] <aftertaf> lol mornfall a wishlist for version 1.1 ?
[02:42] <mornfall> Kamping_Kaiser: interestingly enough, only very few people got bitten
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> mornfall: lol. true enough
[02:42] <mornfall> aftertaf: 1.1 will be alpha for 2.0 i suppose... but yeah
[02:42] <aftertaf> Strike4ce> ok you want to make your own kernel? ever done it?
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> mornfall: what have people been doing?
[02:43] <ubuntu> aftertaf: so i look for an apt-get package in /var/cache/apt and install that? if it's not there i can download it from terminal?
[02:43] <aftertaf> ubuntu> not apt get.... apt.
[02:43] <aftertaf> iirc
[02:43] <mornfall> Kamping_Kaiser: well, generally essential packages take lots of your system with them... you'd have to ignore preview and statusbar to get bitten :)
[02:43] <mornfall> Kamping_Kaiser: some people obviously do
[02:43] <Strike4ce> aftertaf shouldnt the Official ATI drivers work with the current kernel?
[02:44] <aftertaf> mornfall> we need a cancel button when adept goes to work ;)
[02:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> mornfall: oh i see what you mean ;)
[02:44] <aftertaf> Strike4ce> ahh. nasty. they should... but im not an expert on that.
[02:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: use apt  ;) ctrl+c
[02:44] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser> i do, an ;)
[02:44] <aftertaf> *man
[02:44] <ubuntu> aftertaf: good you say that ;) trying and back in some time...    big thanks guys
[02:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[02:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> i know
[02:45] <aftertaf> ubuntu> boot
[02:45] <mornfall> you may want to know ctrl+c works in adept too.... or at least it should ;-)
[02:45] <aftertaf> oops.
[02:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> :|
[02:45] <aftertaf> mornfall> hehe ok good to know....
[02:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> only seen it once :)
[02:45] <Strike4ce> ok how do I compile the kernel source?
[02:46] <mornfall> aftertaf: yep, hitting ctrl+c will give you a nice dialog saying "there was a problem commiting changes" :)
[02:46] <aftertaf> hehe
[02:46] <mornfall> it's sort of obvious ;-)
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool. 
[02:46] <_stratovarius> I've a  nvidia tnt2 64 video card and I need its drivers for linux.where can I foind them? I've an amd athlon xp 1600 32 bit
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> Strike4ce: i can only say wiki or less README :(
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> both are "good"
[02:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> _stratovarius: nVIDIA-glx-legacy
[02:47] <mornfall> well, you -can- crash (SIGABRT) it that way, too :)
[02:47] <aftertaf> Strike4ce> best way is with make kpkg...
[02:47] <Strike4ce> !wiki
[02:47] <aftertaf> mornfall> lol... new users will be happy ;)
[02:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> kill -11 adept
[02:48] <mornfall> aftertaf: see, ctrl+c will break things with apt too...
[02:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[02:48] <mornfall> aftertaf: i guess i just forgot one try {} block somewhere =)
[02:48] <mornfall> aftertaf: (SIGABRT = unhandled exception, at least with adept)
[02:48] <aftertaf> loool.   
[02:48] <aftertaf>  know about apt though ;)
[02:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:49] <mornfall> maybe i should make a catch-all handler that'd be nicer than throwing sigabrt
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh.
[02:50] <annette> Salve, ho istallato ubuntu, ma non riesco a configurare la stampante e il modem
[02:50] <annette> qualchuno pu aiutarmi?
[02:50] <aftertaf> Strike4ce> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43065
[02:50] <aftertaf> !it
[02:50] <ubotu> italiano es #ubuntu-it per favore, andiamo! Grazi ... prego! :-)
[02:51] <aftertaf> cant configure printer and modem?
[02:51] <_justin> hi everyone
[02:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi _justin
[02:51] <_justin> can someone help me with a workgroup issue in samba?
[02:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> people can try :)
[02:52] <mornfall> maybe a samba expert?
[02:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> i don't use it, so i probably cant help
[02:53] <_justin> ok, well its simple, how do you configure the samba workgroup in Kubuntu?
[02:53] <_justin> because manually editing the smb.conf file like other versions of linux doesn't seem to work
[02:54] <annette> I installed Kubuntu but I don't know how to install the modem and the printer. Can someone help me, please?
[02:55] <_justin> what type of modem do you have? (Internal or External)
[02:55] <annette> internal 
[02:56] <_justin> ah well, first of all you will need to identify the chipset on the modem? as well as knowing if it is a hardware or software modem
[02:56] <_justin> most common chipsets are the Agere, Motorola, Conexant and Ambient
[02:56] <annette> I have Conexant
[02:57] <_justin> i don't recommend using an internal modem at all on any linux system, um, how are you on the net then?
[02:57] <_justin> has it been identified in the hardware profile?
[02:57] <annette> I am using the Lan of a friend 
[02:58] <_justin> goto your kmenu-> System -> Info Centre
[02:58] <annette> it has not been identified in any hardware profile
[02:58] <aftertaf> lspci show anything?
[03:00] <_justin> goto PCI devices and check if your modem is in the list, it is the same list generated by lspci
[03:00] <_justin> so how abouts this workgroup issue? any ideas?
[03:01] <annette> No i don't see anything about a modem
[03:01] <_justin> do you know how to get into konsole?
[03:01] <_justin> and run lspci?
[03:02] <_justin> if so open up your terminal service
[03:02] <BlankC> _justin: what is your workgroup issue?
[03:02] <_justin> then run lspci > pci.txt
[03:02] <annette> it's my first time with Linux, so I don't konow a thing!
[03:03] <aftertaf> annette> dont worry...... it can only get better then ;)
[03:03] <_justin> kubunto doesn't seem to have a way of setting the workgroup
[03:03] <annette> :-)
[03:03] <_justin> apart from the usual method of editing the smb.conf file, and that didn't work for me either
[03:03] <_justin> ok
[03:03] <annette> thnks for the encouraging words
[03:03] <ubuntu> some people left who followed my questions 10 minutes back?
[03:04] <BlankC> _justin: what happens when you edit the file?
[03:04] <_justin> edit the file as su, then saves ok, but still won't identify on the workgroup
[03:04] <_justin> unless of course ubunto has an alternate configuration file i don't know about
[03:05] <ubuntu> i tried and there is no apt package in /var/cache/apt/archives/  Can i download apt from terminal?
[03:05] <BlankC> _justin: /etc/samba/smb.conf
[03:05] <_justin> annette : kmenu->System->Terminal Program (Konsole)
[03:05] <aftertaf> ubuntu> were still here
[03:05] <_justin> thats the one i edited
[03:06] <BlankC> you just want to change workgroup = WHATEVER ?
[03:06] <ubuntu> aftertaf: :)  i know there is wget, i only dunno the URL and the right command for it. What you think?
[03:07] <aftertaf> ubuntu> weird... i dont know enough to help you if you dont have the packages....
[03:07] <aftertaf> maybe run baseinstall?
[03:07] <_justin> yes done that though set workgroup = blan
[03:07] <_justin> saved and rebooted
[03:07] <_justin> still nothing
[03:07] <annette> From where can I unload a package?
[03:08] <BlankC> dont have to reboot. just do: sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[03:08] <_justin> Package Manager
[03:08] <BlankC> _justin: does the machine still appear on older workgroup after you change its workgroup = name?
[03:09] <ubuntu> aftertaf: baseinstall is the server installation? that's an idea... is there a way to keep the /home directory? (same partition)
[03:09] <_justin> no, haven't had it on the network before, can view the workgroups but can't share files
[03:09] <aftertaf> ubuntu> make a backup first.....
[03:09] <_justin> or id the system, i installed the samba and nfs servers as wel
[03:10] <aftertaf> ubuntu> did you pastebin fdisk -l ?
[03:10] <BlankC> _justin: did you create a share in the smb.conf file?
[03:10] <_justin> hmmmm, no, but used the share utility in kubunto
[03:10] <ubuntu> aftertaf: big problem, that will make a backup of at least 35 GB
[03:10] <_justin> to share it
[03:11] <aftertaf> ubuntu> for /home? ffs thats a lot ;)
[03:11] <aftertaf> brb cigtime
[03:11] <ubuntu> aftertaf: no i did in flood, but i'll bin now
[03:11] <aftertaf> ok.
[03:11] <BlankC> _justin: can you put a copy of the smb.conf on blankb.pastebin.com?
[03:11] <aftertaf> pm me with it too, if i miss the post diring cigarette ;)
[03:12] <_justin> maybe
[03:12] <_justin> i will try
[03:13] <ubuntu> aftertaf: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/414746
[03:18] <ubuntu> oeps i forgot to look for a reaction in the flood channel :o
[03:21] <ubuntu> sry i have to reload x (x breaks without nvidia drivers)
[03:21] <ubuntu> brb
[03:23] <_justin> lol, samba or smb aren't found in the system path
[03:24] <BlankC> _justin: ?
[03:24] <_justin> ye
[03:24] <_justin> tried to execute a restart and would work
[03:26] <_justin> what is with the second configuration file
[03:26] <jjesse> to install ssh and the ssh server that is in main correct?
[03:26] <_justin> under /usr/share/samba
[03:28] <BlankC> dunno. Mine uses the one in /etc/samba/
[03:29] <annette> help for modem
[03:31] <jpetso> which hal backend does the media:/ kioslave use on Kubuntu?
[03:40] <_justin> well i had the smb services installed but not the samba would this have an effect
[03:41] <hanseatic> how do you call the little mailbox-icon for the control line?
[03:52] <_justin> well thanks all, i got it going
[03:52] <_justin> silly me
[03:52] <_justin> it was just that i didn't have the samba package installed
[03:53] <_justin> lol thought it would of been automatically installed
[03:54] <StR> Hi all!
[03:55] <_justin> hi
[04:11] <gibarian> hey everyone...does anyone know how to work around that system settings bug?
[04:20] <kkathman> good day all :)
[04:21] <slow-motion> hallo
[04:22] <kkathman> good day oh wise nalioth :)
[04:22] <nalioth> kkathman: you're up early in the day
[04:23] <kkathman> 9:23am here :)
[04:23] <nalioth> kkathman: you must live in my time zone
[04:23] <kkathman> I actually went to bed before 2am last evening :)
[04:25] <kkathman> nalioth: Im in Texas, central time zone, US
[04:25] <nalioth> kkathman: not another texan
[04:25] <kkathman> Im the only one that I have discovered here I think :)
[04:26] <kkathman> there may be more, but I just dont know :)
[04:27] <nalioth> kkathman: did you find another one?
[04:28] <kkathman> nope
[04:38] <qos> is there a newer mldonkey than 2.5.28? during connecting it always says, my client is too old
[04:39] <nalioth> !info mldonkey
[04:39] <nalioth> qos: got a real pkg name?
[04:39] <nalioth> !info mldonkey-server
[04:39] <ubotu> mldonkey-server: (Door to the 'donkey' network), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 2.5.28.1-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 2307 kB, Installed size: 6108 kB
[04:40] <qos> nalioth, what?
[04:40] <nalioth> qos: looks like you'll have to compile a newer version
[04:40] <qos> damn, i hoped only the install a newer package
[04:41] <nalioth> qos: use checkinstall when you compile, you'll have a newer pkg
[04:42] <qos> nalioth, i dont understand what u r trying to say ;)
[04:43] <nalioth> qos: you'll need to visit the donkey homepage and get the latest source archive and compile it your self 
[04:43] <qos> hmm, okay ... but what s about the one from adept? cant there be conflicts between them?
[04:44] <mornfall> good lord
[04:44] <mornfall> donkey
[04:44] <mornfall> what the
[04:45] <nalioth> qos: remove it before you compile your new pkg
[04:45] <qos> hm, okay ...
[04:46] <nalioth> ubotu: tell qos about checkinstall
[04:57] <regeya> DIG IT!
[04:57] <regeya> wrong channel.
[04:58] <regeya> checkinstall == GREAT
[04:58] <regeya> I used stow until I found out about checkinstall.
[05:04] <zajacslv> hej jak zainstalowa gstreamer0.8-plugins
[05:04] <zajacslv> co mam doda do sources.list
[05:05] <nalioth> zajacslv: #ubuntu-pl  maybe?
[05:05] <nalioth> !sources
[05:05] <ubotu> nalioth: Do they come in packets of five?
[05:06] <zajacslv> no
[05:06] <nalioth> !sources
[05:06] <zajacslv> i try apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[05:06] <nalioth> stupid ubotu
[05:06] <zajacslv> ackage gstreamer0.8-plugins is not available, 
[05:07] <nalioth> ubotu: tell zajacslv about easysource
[05:08] <soundmaster80> hello all, why does administrator mode not work on control center when the correct password is given?
[05:09] <zajacslv> KDE fails
[05:09] <zajacslv> u must have permission to root in Xserver
[05:10] <soundmaster80> anyone know?
[05:16] <rikva> soundmaster80: it is a bug.
[05:17] <rikva> soundmaster80: use "kdesu kcontrol" instead
[05:17] <kkathman> KDE fails???
[05:17] <kkathman> gee I always thought KDE was a pretty good student
[05:18] <kkathman> howdy Blissex
[05:21] <qos> nalioth, i am tring to compile mldonkey. but the ./configure script says there were no valid c++ compilers found!?
[05:22] <paulproteus> qos: Have you installed build-essential and g++ ?
[05:22] <nalioth> qos: install "build-essential"
[05:22] <nalioth> qos: also install "checkinstall"
[05:22] <somekool> anyone installed kde 3.5beta2 under knoppix or kubuntu ? 
[05:22] <nalioth> somekool: there are lots of folks in and out of here running 3.5b2 
[05:24] <qos> thx, i heared about it some time ago ... but i forgot it
[05:24] <kkathman> somekool: I'd stay away fromt he beta2 right now
[05:25] <kkathman> its got alot of probs
[05:25] <kkathman> especially if you like your sound :)
[05:25] <raphink> lol
[05:25] <raphink> beta2 works fine
[05:26] <raphink> once you downgrade arts and akregator
[05:27] <eriksti> trying to install ccdoc here.. keep getting  error that I need ctf2xml2.. what should I download anyway? http://ccdoc.sourceforge.net/htdocs/downloads.htm
[05:35] <ubuntu> guys i did manage to install apt with all it's dependencies, but apt-get install kubuntu-desktop gave me packages that wouldn't install....  so i really need myself to get read and write access on two partitions somehow
[05:36] <nalioth> ubuntu: are you using non ubuntu repos in your sources.list?
[05:37] <ubuntu> nalioth: nope, but i have an history on the forum and here
[05:38] <ubuntu> nalioth: the shortest way is reading this thread i think: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=84936
[05:38] <nalioth> ubuntu: i ask b/c x/k/ubuntu pkgs usually install w/o any trouble, unless you've used non official software in the past
[05:38] <kkathman> ubuntu: you really need to set your respositories correctly
[05:38] <kkathman> then do an apt-get update
[05:39] <ubuntu> kkathman: i have a proper sources.list and done the apt-get update
[05:39] <kkathman> having your repositories set to anything other than your current Ubuntu level is just sheer lunacy
[05:39] <kkathman> are you sure??
[05:40] <ubuntu> kkathman: yes i am sure, but it could have something todo with my problems as descriped in the forum
[05:40] <nalioth> ubuntu: in a console, type "sudo apt-get -f install"
[05:41] <ubuntu> kkathman: i had to dpkg --force-depends --install some dependencies to get apt working again
[05:41] <nalioth> ubuntu: then you really need to look at your software because you have used foreign software somewhere along the way
[05:41] <kkathman> Ive never encountered someone that had a missing or broken apt-get 
[05:41] <ubuntu> nalioth: done that too, same results
[05:42] <nalioth> maybe in a script from the forums or something
[05:42] <eriksti> trying to install ccdoc here..what should I download anyway? http://ccdoc.sourceforge.net/htdocs/downloads.htm
[05:42] <kkathman> I think it might be time for a reinstall...probably much better than trying to "fix" what you have
[05:42] <kkathman> eriksti: follow their instructions.. you'll probably need to download the source files and compile
[05:43] <ubuntu> kkathman: i have the same thought, but i really really have to save my /home data (from linux partition) somehow
[05:43] <sergio> hi
[05:43] <sergio> Does anybody know how to use Kopete with a hotmail count?
[05:43] <ubuntu> kkathman: and i can't find my data from the live-cd
[05:43] <kkathman> ubuntu: then back it up to a CD and reinstall, or move it to another network resource
[05:44] <kkathman> sergio: if you go to the microsoft hotmail resources they tell you how to set it up for Microsoft Outlook...should be similar to setting up in Kopete
[05:44] <funkyHat> has anyone else had problems with AmaroK since upgrading to breezy?
[05:44] <ubuntu> kkathman: i only have 1 dvd drive, it's about 35GB and i can't get the drive listed and/or reading access
[05:45] <kkathman> ubuntu: it will be in /home/<your login name>
[05:45] <^rob^> hi
[05:45] <kkathman> ubuntu: If you are working off a live CD, you cant have much there in your "home"
[05:45] <funkyHat> AmaroK breaks here doing anything related to the media library
[05:45] <ubuntu> kkathman: no it isn't, my username is gone when booting the live-cd, the is an /home/ubuntu though
[05:46] <ubuntu> kkathman: ah k
[05:46] <^rob^> i have upgraded kde 3.4.2 to 3.4.3  - now I have a problem - toolbar icons and menu icons are not shown - any clue?
[05:46] <kkathman> ubuntu: well somewhere along the way...you've introduced bad software and thats gonna get you
[05:48] <ubuntu> kkathman: i know it's me who's the bad guy here, not kubuntu. :p   Is it possible to get access to my partitions from the live-cd? Because then i might be able to transfer the data with samba to my second pc right?
[05:48] <nalioth> ubuntu: it is possible
[05:49] <ubuntu> nalioth: i thank the gods.   How do i get this done?
[05:49] <kkathman> yes, nalioth is correct if your system had some normal integrity...but Im not at all convinced that it does at this point..you can try though
[05:49] <^rob^> does anybody has kde 3.4.3 installed?
[05:50] <kkathman> ^rob^: yes everyone that has Breeze has 3.4.3
[05:50] <nalioth> kkathman: the livecd has all the integrity ubuntu needs to samba his way out of this
[05:50] <kkathman> oops Breezy
[05:50] <LeeJunFan> ^rob^: yeah, all of us probably.
[05:50] <kkathman> nalioth: thats warming i think :)
[05:50] <ubuntu> nalioth: cause i only have a /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot
[05:50] <^rob^> 1 - is breezy stable?  2 - can you tell me your libpng version?
[05:50] <^rob^> libpng3 ?
[05:50] <kkathman> ^rob^: yes
[05:51] <^rob^> yes on 1 or 2 :)
[05:51] <nalioth> ubuntu: nobody said it would be easy. but it is possible
[05:51] <kkathman> ^rob^: any reason you havent done your update/dist-upgrade?
[05:51] <LeeJunFan> ^rob^: heh, I've got 1 1.2 and 3 installed.
[05:51] <^rob^> kkathman: i have hoary
[05:51] <kkathman> well so did most of the people here
[05:51] <^rob^> LeeJunFan: and breezy?
[05:51] <LeeJunFan> ^rob^: yeah, breezy.
[05:52] <kkathman> ^rob^: Breezy has been out for a while now :)
[05:52] <^rob^> i have upgraded to latest kde stable - but icons does not appear.
[05:52] <^rob^> kkathman: i have heared it is not so stable - what's the gimp version in breezy?
[05:52] <LeeJunFan> ^rob^: have you tried creating a new user and logging in as a new user to rule out any problems with your old kde configs?
[05:53] <^rob^> LeeJunFan: i have deleted some .kde dirs - 
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> GIMP version 2.2.8
[05:53] <kkathman> ^rob^: well suit yourself then...Ive been using it for quite a while
[05:53] <^rob^> cache and etc.
[05:53] <^rob^> LeeJunFan: ty
[05:53] <^rob^> kkathman: i use most of quanta, gimp, svn, php4 apache2  and internet stuff 
[05:54] <LeeJunFan> ^rob^: try mv your .kde to .kde-bak or something and see if kde starts up good for you.
[05:54] <^rob^> LeeJunFan: i'll do that - ty - logout - brb
[05:54] <^rob^> :)
[05:54] <kkathman> ^rob^:  me too...quanta has a new release in Breezy, and I use xampp for my devel environment
[05:54] <LeeJunFan> ^rob^: I use similar stuff, have a server running breezy with no problems too.
[05:54] <^rob^> xampp ?
[05:55] <ubuntu> nalioth: i got myself access to sda1 to read the data, but know i need write access to sda3 and that is a little hard for me
[05:55] <kkathman> yah its a php-apache-mysql environment...sets it up automatically
[05:55] <^rob^> ok - i'll upgrade if does not work :)
[05:55] <^rob^> kkathman: ah - no need :) i do that manually :)
[05:55] <^rob^> i am a php developer for long time - i know what i need :)
[05:55] <^rob^> lol
[05:56] <kkathman> ^rob^: yah me too...it was just simpler for me...but fact is...its stable
[05:56] <^rob^> brb - re-logging -- (sounds like rebooting - but hey - i'm in linux)
[05:56] <LeeJunFan> quanta and fish are nice :)
[05:56] <kkathman> sigh...doesnt have respect for some smart-arses :)
[05:56] <kkathman> lol
[05:57] <ubuntu> naloith: do i have to give special parameters to the mount command to get PROPER write access?
[05:57] <kkathman> why do people come in, ask for help, and when you give it to them, they tell challenge it?
[05:57] <nalioth> ubuntu: you'll need to mount your sda3 read/write (hope it's not ntfs)
[05:57] <^rob^> back
[05:57] <^rob^> it helped moving .kde to old - remade the kde stuff
[05:57] <sergio> another thing
[05:58] <kkathman> nalioth: hehe
[05:58] <^rob^> now icons are back :)
[05:58] <ubuntu> nalioth: nope it's ext3, hehe :)
[05:58] <sergio> does anybody use TI voyage 200 in kubuntu?
[05:58] <^rob^> sergio - what's that?
[05:59] <LeeJunFan> sounds like a calculator.
[05:59] <^rob^> lol
[05:59] <^rob^> ok - now i have to re-make my settings 
[05:59] <^rob^> so breezy is stable
[05:59] <sergio> It's a calculator for ingeneering
[06:00] <sergio> but i have only find the program to connect to the computer for windows
[06:00] <^rob^> is kaffeine a lil' bit more stable in breezy? - or crashes like in Hoary!
[06:00] <sergio> 159174174
[06:01] <sergio> or someone can tellme about a windows xp emulator?
[06:01] <^rob^> sergio: i do
[06:01] <^rob^> :)
[06:01] <CookedGryphon> hey, i installed kubuntu-desktop from a ubuntu computer, and its gone all wrong, there is no theme so it looks ugly, none of the links work, none of the kde programs are in the kde menu, just the ones out of my old gnome configuration, i can't find settings etc, help!
[06:01] <^rob^> use vmware 5
[06:01] <^rob^> it's stable, faster than previous versions and works nice
[06:02] <sergio> hey rob
[06:02] <funkyHat> sergio, wine?
[06:02] <sergio> can you tell me how i can use it?
[06:02] <^rob^> shure
[06:02] <^rob^> download the software from vmware.com
[06:02] <^rob^> install it as superuser
[06:03] <^rob^> you'll gonna need kernel libs to compile some libs
[06:03] <LeeJunFan> ^rob^, sergio: well, you have to buy it.
[06:03] <^rob^> that will be loaded on boot
[06:03] <nalioth> CookedGryphon: "apt-get --fix-missing install kubuntu-desktop"
[06:03] <^rob^> LeeJunFan: it's cheap - 
[06:03] <sergio> to boy what?
[06:03] <LeeJunFan> vmware
[06:03] <sergio> to buy what?
[06:03] <^rob^> LeeJunFan: you can find a keymaker - lol
[06:04] <weasl77> I have been testng a kububtu live cd:  can I install from that (hoping) or do I need to download the 'normal' install cd?
[06:04] <BlankC> there is free (gratis) version of vmware called vmware player on their site.
[06:04] <^rob^> you can use it for 1 month
[06:04] <LeeJunFan> BlankC: yeah, but it only operates on existing images, you can't install an OS with the player.
[06:04] <^rob^> subscribe to theyre engine and they will send you a key
[06:05] <nalioth> weasl77: you'll need the install cd
[06:05] <^rob^> 1 month is enough to know if you-re gonna use or not this software.
[06:05] <CookedGryphon> hey, i installed kubuntu-desktop from a ubuntu computer, and its gone all wrong, there is no theme so it looks ugly, none of the links work, none of the kde programs are in the kde menu, just the ones out of my old gnome configuration, i can't find settings etc, help!
[06:05] <^rob^> vmware is faster than any other pc hardware emulator or win emulator
[06:05] <nalioth> CookedGryphon: i answered your question above, have you tried it?
[06:05] <^rob^> i use flash in vmware coz in wine works veeeery slow!
[06:06] <^rob^> i mean flash MX 2004
[06:06] <^rob^> not the plugin
[06:06] <^rob^> :)
[06:06] <^rob^> even photoshop cs
[06:06] <CookedGryphon> nailoth, i tried reinstalling and it didn't work
[06:07] <weasl77> nalioth: thanks,  better start now then!
[06:07] <LeeJunFan> nalioth: say it slower.
[06:07] <nalioth> CookedGryphon: that is not what i just posted
[06:07] <CookedGryphon> also, nothign comes up in the control panel
[06:07] <CookedGryphon> nailoth did you post it in this room? because for some reason it stopped respondign for a while, so i may have misssed it
[06:08] <nalioth> CookedGryphon: "apt-get --fix-missing install kubuntu-desktop"
[06:08] <indro> hi
[06:10] <CookedGryphon> apt-get doesn't seem to be using my proxy, how do i set that?
[06:10] <CookedGryphon> the dpkg one didn't work
[06:11] <LeeJunFan> CookedGryphon: how did you install kubuntu-desktop if your apt-get isn't working?
[06:11] <LeeJunFan> CookedGryphon: just curious that may be the cause of missing things.
[06:17] <indro> anyone know how i can surf with konqueror keyboard only? (that i see a number on each link and only type the number to jump there)
[06:17] <laszlok> indro: ctrl should activate those numbers
[06:18] <twix> Bonjour
[06:18] <indro> ah yes. thanks :)
[06:19] <laszlok> indro: also you can hit ' and then type to search for text links
[06:19] <indro> nice, thx ;)
[06:20] <twix> Hello all
[06:20] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuRoadmap2  comments welcome
[06:20] <twix> goodbye all :)
[06:21] <nalioth> Riddell: pm?
[06:22] <Riddell> nalioth: here is fine
[06:25] <slow-motion_> bbl
[06:26] <kkathman> Riddell: This looks really good :)
[06:26] <kkathman> Riddell: this is 2 releases out yes?
[06:26] <paulproteus> Riddell: I think your roadmap should include a fix to http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18803 :)
[06:31] <laszlok> Riddell: where would i submit a bug for systemsettings?
[06:32] <Riddell> laszlok: bugs.kd.org
[06:33] <Riddell> paulproteus: that will be fixed but it was broken by the doc team chaning he file, so not my fault :)
[06:33] <Riddell> changing the file
[06:33] <paulproteus> Riddell: Well, okay; can you tell me an IRC nick of someone on the doc team so I can get him on it? ;)
[06:34] <paulproteus> It's really a pain to have all my users say, "What's this weird error when I open Firefox?  Does it mean Firefox won't work?".
[06:34] <laszlok> paulproteus: #ubuntu-doc
[06:35] <paulproteus> laszlok: Thanks. :)
[06:35] <Riddell> paulproteus: wel it's my job to fix it, it's just their fault for changing their packaging and thinking it wouldn't effect anyone
[06:35] <paulproteus> Riddell: Oh, okay. :)
[06:37] <paulproteus> Riddell: I know you're surely busy, but it'd be great to have a fix for that soon.  Just stop having it dpkg-divert is the right solution, I think; having that index.html disappear is bad-bad-bad.
[06:37] <paulproteus> If there were an index-kubuntu.html, then *that* should be index.html; but there's no such thing, sadly.
[06:37] <`Nomad> I have an easy question.. Is there a key combination to lock a session?
[06:38] <paulproteus> `Nomad: I don't know if there's a default one.  You should be able to go to Control Center and look at all the current keyboard shortcuts, though.
[06:38] <Riddell> `Nomad: alt+f1, up, up, enter
[06:38] <laszlok> `Nomad: ctrl-atl-L by default
[06:39] <paulproteus> Riddell: Regarding roadmap, can we get KDE to treat GDM as fully-featured, and vice-versa?
[06:39] <laszlok> but kde 3.5 doesnt let me unlock my desktop
[06:40] <paulproteus> It's really dumb that you only get e.g. the "Shut down" option in KDE when using KDM, and vice versa.
[06:40] <`Nomad> laszlok:  Thank  :)
[06:40] <paulproteus> I don't mean "dumb" from a technical perspective, but from a usability perspective.
[06:40] <Riddell> paulproteus: that's an upstream issue, I agree it needs done but I think freedesktop is the right place for it 
[06:40] <`Nomad> have a good day guys
[06:40] <Riddell> and I think it has been suggested there
[06:41] <paulproteus> Riddell: Good enough, I guess.
[06:43] <insanekane> Riddell: i have a working qt_immodule patch, and also have figured out what to change where in order for it to work in breezy ... any possibility of getting it into breezy-updates/dapper ? (btw, will it still be qt3.3.x in dapper, or qt4 ?) ?
[06:43] <insanekane> Riddell: what to change where in qt source package
[06:46] <frank23> Riddell: I missed your talk at Ubuntu day. I went out on Saturday night, and completely forgot about Ubuntu Love Day. Crap!
[06:50] <Riddell> frank23: conference is still happening :)
[06:51] <Riddell> although now it's a developers summit, writing specs all day long
[06:52] <Riddell> hi insanekane, what does this patch do?
[06:52] <bhna> why CONFIG_PREEMPT is not set in the kernel? is there a deb with preemtion enabled?
[06:53] <insanekane> Riddell: it adds support for proper IMEs ...
[06:54] <insanekane> Riddell: aka, allows easier/proper text input rather than via the too simple xkb
[06:54] <insanekane> Riddell: its actually a simple patch, which TT will include in Qt4, but they dont provide it in 3.3 due to their bugfix only policy
[06:55] <insanekane> Riddell: well, not simple patch ... but it is easily applied
[06:56] <paulproteus> insanekane: TT?
[06:56] <Riddell> insanekane: sounds cool, but I still don't quite understand it, what is "immodule" and what is wrong with xkb and what does this atch do to fix it?
[06:56] <insanekane> Riddell: GNOME/GTK has a similiar thing, in the context menu of text boxes
[06:56] <insanekane> paulproteus: TrollTech
[06:56] <Riddell> insanekane: dapper will have KDE 3 which is Qt 3
[06:56] <bhna> why CONFIG_PREEMPT is not set in the kernel? is there a deb with preemtion enabled?
[06:57] <paulproteus> insanekane: Gotcha.
[06:57] <Riddell> bhna: #ubuntu-kernel maybe?
[06:57] <insanekane> Riddell: XKB is too simplistic ... it allows only one character per key to be defined and also limited use of the compose key .... IMEs allow very complex input methods, using which text can be created contextually
[06:57] <Riddell> IMEs?
[06:57] <insanekane> Riddell: would you have time to read webpages, or would you rather have me explain it ? :)
[06:57] <Riddell> how does this relate to e.g. scim?
[06:58] <insanekane> Riddell: IME = Input Method Editor (its better to understand that as Input Method Engine than Editor though)
[06:58] <Riddell> insanekane: if it can be explained in some sentences here is good, otherwise point me at resources
[06:58] <insanekane> Riddell: scim is one IME framework, IIIMF is another, so is UIM
[06:58] <bhna> Riddell: thanks
[06:58] <insanekane> Riddell: the problem is, with XIM, stuff is very crasy
[06:58] <Riddell> insanekane: but it's not my area of expertese so it may be a good idea to send it to kde-devel and propose it for qt-copy
[06:58] <Riddell> XIM?
[06:59] <Riddell> too many acronyms
[06:59] <insanekane> Riddell: hmm, nevermind then ... other distros already have it afaict (Suse for one i believe) ... anyway it will appear in Qt4
[06:59] <insanekane> Riddell: XIM = X Input Method
[06:59] <Riddell> insanekane: well if other distros have it we defniatly should :)
[07:00] <insanekane> Riddell: i plan to include it my derivation of Kubuntu, just thought I should also help to get it into kubuntu
[07:00] <frank23> how can I add another user being able to run a program on my X session?
[07:00] <Riddell> frank23: man xhost
[07:00] <Riddell> xhost + to disable all access control
[07:01] <Riddell> insanekane: I'm definatl interested
[07:01] <Riddell> insanekane: can you send me the patch?
[07:02] <frank23> Riddell: If I disable all access control, could unknown remote users, run programs?
[07:02] <insanekane> Riddell: well, its not just a patch, the main patch is for thw qt source tree ... then there are some (small) changes to one .install file under debian, and also you have to run a script before configure (somewhere in debian/rules i guess)
[07:03] <insanekane> Riddell: ive made the main patch into a dpatch suitable for the debian/patches directory
[07:04] <insanekane> Riddell: note though, that IME is also extremely useful for Indic scripts as well -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_Method_Editor 
[07:05] <insanekane> Riddell: i will put the patch on  server (1.1 MB) along with a list of changes that need to be applied to the debian/* files
[07:06] <Riddell> frank23: no, but they could display them on your computer if you arn't behind NAT/firewall
[07:06] <insanekane> Riddell: also, are you interested in a (PyQt based) character selector better than the KDE one ?
[07:06] <frank23> Riddell: so they can display, but not run... ok
[07:07] <Riddell> insanekane: character selector?
[07:07] <insanekane> Riddell: KCharSelect
[07:07] <insanekane> Riddell: K->Utilities->Character Selector
[07:08] <Riddell> insanekane: Simon of  Guidance was talking about a better keyboard selector based on something like that (in python)
[07:08] <Riddell> insanekane: #kubuntu-devel is good for development stuff by the way
[07:08] <insanekane> Riddell: yes, i used to visit #kubuntu-devel ... but it was always silent :/
[07:09] <insanekane> Riddell: does he have any notes on his potential "keyboard selector" ?
[07:10] <Riddell> insanekane: I don'tthink he has any notes yet, it's just an idea
[07:10] <Riddell> insanekane: Sime on #kubuntu-devel
[07:10] <slow-motion> re
[07:13] <Foodcoman> Afternoon!   =)
[07:14] <kkathman> hi there Foodcoman  :)
[07:16] <hussam> does konqueor 3.5 pass acid2 test?
[07:18] <ICXCNIKA> I am thinking of taking the plunge and switching to Kubuntu.
[07:18] <hussam> ICXCNIKA: from what distribution?
[07:19] <ICXCNIKA> Oh. I'm a Windows User.
[07:19] <ICXCNIKA> Though I have had some experience playing about with KDE on Knoppix.
[07:19] <ICXCNIKA> My only concern is getting my Dell Truemobile 1300 WLAN Card to work.
[07:21] <ICXCNIKA> That's about it.
[07:23] <paulproteus> ICXCNIKA: That's a card that runs a Broadcom chipset.
[07:23] <paulproteus> ICXCNIKA: It works fine if you install ndiswrapper...
[07:24] <paulproteus> ...but there's a magic incantation you must know about beforehand:
[07:24] <kkathman> lol
[07:24] <paulproteus> "I also had to change RadioState 0 to RadioState 1 in all of the *.conf files in the /etc/ndiswrapper/bcmwl5a directory."
[07:24] <paulproteus> ICXCNIKA: Mentioned on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=277600
[07:25] <paulproteus> ICXCNIKA: Save that URL.  You'll desperately want it.
[07:25] <paulproteus> ICXCNIKA: Outside of that, Kubuntu will do you fine, I imagine.
[07:25] <ICXCNIKA> Ok.
[07:26] <ICXCNIKA> Well, I guess I'll make the switch then. No need to have XP around on this laptop I guess.
[07:30] <Foodcoman> Missed the call out kkathman!  Greetz
[07:30] <kkathman> np Foodcoman :)
[07:30] <Foodcoman> Got sidetracked trying to get rsynch and with ssh to operate from work to home.
[07:54] <hussam> I noticed a lot of security fixes and updates for firefox come out often. this isn't the case for konqueror. Is konqueror just more secure than firefox?
[07:54] <buz> likely it's LESS people debugging it
[07:55] <Toxix> hello
[07:55] <Toxix> how i can mount ext3 partition??
[07:58] <kings> hi
[08:00] <paulproteus> Toxix: Use the "mount" command.
[08:03] <LinuxGaspesie> Parlez-vous franais ?
[08:03] <tvo> #kubuntu-fr
[08:03] <rikva> !fr
[08:03] <ubotu> Va a #ubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[08:04] <LinuxGaspesie> tank's tvo 
[08:04] <dragonkh> is there a way to format my hard drive from linux to work under windows?
[08:06] <paulproteus> dragonkh: mkfs.vfat, iirc
[08:07] <dragonkh> paulproteus: got it thanks :)
[08:10] <kkathman> greetings tvo :)
[08:10] <tvo> hi kkathman ;)
[08:27] <C0r3Dump> hello all
[08:27] <C0r3Dump> one question, maybe a estupid one ... vmware img are OS independent ??
[08:28] <C0r3Dump> I mean, a vmware img created in on OS could be used in a different OS (using vmware of coourse)
[08:28] <C0r3Dump> example, img created in a windows, could be used in a linux 
[08:29] <somekool> i tried to installed kubutu's binary package on knoppix, but it does not seems to work.
[08:29] <Riddell> somekool: this is a kubuntu channel, not a knoppix channel
[08:29] <somekool> true that
[08:29] <Riddell> chances are kubuntu isn't binary compatible with knoppix
[08:30] <somekool> why ? they are both debian no ? 
[08:30] <Geuis> hola, can someone try to help me with a new install that keeps hanging?
[08:30] <lubomir> C0r3Dump: http://www.vmware.com/support/ws5/doc/ws_move_share.html
[08:31] <Geuis> keeps getting stuck at Checking battery state
[08:31] <somekool> what type of debian is kubuntu running ? stable ? testing ? or unstable ?
[08:31] <buz> somekool: based on a about 6 month old unstable
[08:31] <tvo> somekool: it's a different repository, so neither stable, testing or unstable
[08:32] <Geuis> so kde isnt loading, but if I move the mouse around it wakes the screen after it blacks out from inactivity
[08:36] <somekool> so its a fork ? kubuntu will have a totally different evolution ? 
[08:36] <somekool> what make it NOT binary compatible ? 
[08:37] <kkathman> somekool: if you want something for knoppix, you might try a knoppix channel..thanks :)
[08:37] <laszlok> somekool: its a partial fork cause we sync up and then re-fork every 6 months
[08:39] <tvo> somekool: it's sometimes not binary compatible because we might have other (newer) versions of important libraries
[08:39] <tvo> somekool: that's certainly so for sarge and etch
[08:39] <tvo> ow well, I mean older actually
[08:41] <somekool> laszlok ok
[08:42] <somekool> tvo 
[08:42] <somekool> ok thank you 
[08:42] <deacon> Greetings all
[08:43] <deacon> I seem to have a minor problem.  I just finished installing Breezy, and ran the safe update.  I also added the Nvidia drivers.  Yet I only seem to be able to run at a 60hz refresh rate.
[08:44] <deacon> is there any way to raise the refresh rate?
[08:45] <paulproteus> deacon: Try doing alt-F2 and running krandrtray
[08:45] <paulproteus> It'll be like QuickRes; you should be able to select various refresh rates easily.
[08:45] <deacon> ok, just did that.  I still only have 60 hz to pick from.
[08:47] <deacon> will I have to manually edit my xorg.conf file?
[08:47] <deacon> or is there a tool with the nvidia drivers to fix the rate?
[08:50] <paulproteus> deacon: Does your xorg.conf specify HorizSync and VertRefresh?
[08:50] <deacon> yes
[08:50] <paulproteus> deacon: If so, comment them out; they're untrustworthy.
[08:50] <deacon> Oh. ok
[08:50] <paulproteus> Then restart KDM (or GDM if you swing that way).
[08:50] <paulproteus> Then krandrtray should do you fine.
[08:50] <deacon> lemme try that, and I'll get back to you
[08:55] <deacon> I'm back.  Commenting out the Horizontal and vertical refresh rates did the trick.
[08:55] <deacon> My Eyballs thank you
[08:55] <deacon> err, eyeballs
[08:58] <paulproteus> deacon: Glad to hear it.
[08:58] <paulproteus> One of the crusades I'm willing to fight is that against low CRT refresh rates.
[08:58] <paulproteus> Channel: Let this be a lesson to all of you!
[08:58] <deacon> Must save the eyes!
[08:58] <paulproteus> Hard-coding refresh rates is bad-bad-bad!
[08:58] <paulproteus> X is smarter than you are!
[08:58] <deacon> lol
[08:59] <deacon> Ok, next question
[08:59] <paulproteus> deacon: /me worries this'll be harder
[09:00] <deacon> Why is it that on some system settings apps it asks to switch to "administrator Mode"  then asks for my password, then does nothing?
[09:00] <deacon> it does not switch, I get sent back to the "all settings greyed out" gui.
[09:02] <kkathman> there is a bug there
[09:02] <deacon> ok, ,so known issue?
[09:02] <kkathman> yes
[09:02] <deacon> darn.  I don't know enough about Linux yet to be able to get by without all the gui apps.
[09:03] <beto_bsb> Hello everybody, I have kubuntu hoary installed on my pc, now I need to upgrade it to breeze... is there a guide or how-to on the net, that really works?
[09:03] <deacon> or at least most of them
[09:03] <deacon> Ooo.. Beto, that was one of my questions too.
[09:04] <beto_bsb> deacon, I have upgrade my laptop, but it's a mess... 
[09:04] <deacon> me too beto.
[09:04] <Geuis> my new installation doesnt load kde
[09:05] <Geuis> just goes right to the cli
[09:05] <beto_bsb> I'm using vmware to test, but the virtual machines didn't work ok after the upgrade...
[09:05] <deacon> I actually lost TCP/IP routing function on my Hoary setup.  I have no idea how either.
[09:05] <paulproteus> Riddell: A fix for http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18803 is submitted as a patch.  Just waiting for you. :)
[09:06] <paulproteus> deacon, beto_bsb: How are you upgrading?
[09:06] <paulproteus> You should be able to just replace hoary with breezy in sources.list.
[09:06] <deacon> paulproteus, I haven't yet, was wondering how to go about it
[09:07] <paulproteus> deacon: The recommended strategy is:
[09:07] <paulproteus> 1. Replace "hoary" with "breezy" in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:07] <paulproteus> 2. sudo aptitude update
[09:07] <beto_bsb> on the laptop I added the breeze cdrom and "apt-get dist-upgrade", but it lost lots of programs installed...
[09:07] <paulproteus> 3. sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[09:07] <paulproteus> 4. sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[09:07] <paulproteus> beto_bsb: It's preferred that you do the upgrade using a network mirror rather than a CD, because some programs may have moved on or off the CDs.
[09:07] <beto_bsb> what's the difference between "apt-get" and aptitude?
[09:07] <paulproteus> aptitude is a teensy bit smarter about upgrading.
[09:08] <paulproteus> Plus, aptitude remembers dependencies.
[09:08] <deacon> What if I cannot connect to anything on my Hoary box?
[09:08] <paulproteus> deacon: If the only programs you have installed are the ones from the Hoary CD, you should be fine with the CD method.
[09:08] <beto_bsb> paulproteus, i know, i'm upgrading the laptop right now with the files of the repositories...
[09:09] <deacon> paulproteus,  Unfortunately, I have done quite a few updates.  The Hoary box started out ast Ubuntu, and was changed to Kubuntu.  I also have some outside .debs in there.
[09:09] <paulproteus> It's the foreign debs that I'm not sure about.
[09:10] <deacon> also, I still need to fix my connectivity issues with that machine
[09:10] <paulproteus> You should be able to get by if you add both the Ubuntu Breezy CD-ROM + the Kubuntu Breezy CD-ROM.
[09:10] <paulproteus> deacon: Fix connectivity and life will be easier. :)
[09:10] <deacon> Indeed.  If only I could figure out why my Wifi setup won't route AT ALL
[09:11] <paulproteus> deacon: What card?
[09:11] <paulproteus> ndiswrapper?
[09:12] <deacon> Atheros Card.It was setup for a static IP.  I changed it to a Dynamic Ip to try and connect to another AP.  Now I can't get t ro route with the static, or pull and IP with DHCP.
[09:12] <paulproteus> deacon: Do you have any wired interfaces?
[09:12] <deacon> yes
[09:12] <paulproteus> deacon: If so, disable them while you test the wifi card.
[09:12] <beto_bsb> paulproteus: I'll try to upgrade as you said... thanks for the help. deacon, if it work, I'll tell you... :)    Thanks guys!
[09:12] <deacon> haven't tried those yet
[09:12] <paulproteus> deacon: e.g. ifconfig eth0 down
[09:13] <deacon> right.  I can do that.  my Atheros card is actually ath0
[09:13] <deacon> ifconfig ath0 down, ifconfig ath0 up.
[09:14] <deacon> npthing happens other than the interface going down and up.  I can pull the signal and connect to the AP, I just can't pull an IP, or route using a static IP.
[09:14] <deacon> If I reoot into windows, it works just fine
[09:15] <deacon> it pulls a DHCP IP and I can surf
[09:15] <paulproteus> deacon: Do ifconfig eth0 down to make sure eth0 isn't interfering.
[09:15] <deacon> Hmm... ok.  I'll try that
[09:18] <deacon> ok, booting now.  BTW, I'm using the kernel 2.6.10-5-7-k7-smp, in case that matters.
[09:19] <deacon> this will take a while.  The networking stuff takes forever.
[09:22] <smykes> I can't connect to an SMB share running on Windows 2000 :/
[09:23] <deacon> ok.  I'm up, I tried it, and no joy.  Still can't pull an IP from my DHCP
[09:24] <paulproteus> deacon: Huh.  Do you have WEP / is it configured to use WEP?
[09:24] <paulproteus> Or WPA, if you use that?
[09:24] <paulproteus> Also, you might find the drivers are better in Breezy anyway.
[09:25] <deacon> yep,  I have wep, and I do have the correct key.  I even reset the key on the AP to make sure I was using the correct one.
[09:28] <deacon> One thing I don't understand.  What is the difference between an Open and a restricted key?  My AP doesn't use that terminology.  
[09:29] <paulproteus> Basically, every key is "open".
[09:30] <deacon> Then why have the two settings??
[09:31] <deacon> Or is restricted like WPA?
[09:31] <deacon> Hmm.. lemme try with no key.  I have remote access to the AP, I'm in it now....
[09:33] <deacon> ok.  Encryption is off on the AP and in Hoary.  IP still show unavailable
[09:37] <jonkol> join
[09:38] <deacon> Now, ,I am running DHCP on my Linux-based Smoothwall firewall.  When I check the DHCP ;ogs, ,I am getting a series of DHCP discovers and offer from my wireless NIC.
[09:38] <alessio> ciao a tutti
[09:39] <deacon> But my desktop (which I am on now)  shows a full and complete DORA process.
[09:39] <alessio> una domanda semplice...come installo bittorrent per kde?
[09:39] <alessio> o meglio qual' il nome del pacchetto?
[09:40] <alessio> what is the name of bittorrent package for kde?
[09:40] <buz> ktorrent
[09:40] <alessio> thank you
[09:42] <fatbrain> anyone using elinks?
[09:43] <deacon> Is there a file somewhere in a Hoary setup that i can delete to sort of "reset"  the Network setup?
[09:44] <joseph> Hello.
[09:45] <joseph> Can anyone help me installing Taskbar V2?
[09:45] <joseph> For debian?
[09:46] <strike4ce> k
[09:46] <Spudchat> i have firestarter running on this machine configured to share my wireless interent connection with the wired nic and the computer that im sharing the connection with is able to ping all local hosts but cannot access outside hosts
[09:46] <Spudchat> any ideas?
[09:46] <strike4ce> kkathman: I finally did it!
[09:46] <joseph> Oh hey again kkathman. :)
[09:46] <strike4ce> its all installed correctly
[09:46] <joseph> Can you help me?
[09:46] <joseph> Strike, congratulations. ;)
[09:46] <strike4ce> kkathman: screen looks great!
[09:46] <strike4ce> Anyone here have ATI Graphics?
[09:47] <strike4ce> joseph: Thanks
[09:47] <strike4ce> I have a great howto that will get it going, if anyone needs?
[09:48] <joseph> Hey Strike.
[09:48] <joseph> Do you know much about linux?
[09:48] <strike4ce> joseph: Yes
[09:48] <joseph> Strike, Can you help me with this problem I'm having?
[09:49] <strike4ce> Not a whole lot.  what yea need?
[09:49] <strike4ce> joseph: hopefully
[09:49] <joseph> OK.
[09:49] <joseph> So.
[09:49] <joseph> I just downloaded Taskbar V2.
[09:49] <joseph> Now, when I open it it says something.
[09:50] <strike4ce> !pastebin
[09:50] <ubotu> somebody said pastebin was a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:50] <strike4ce> joseph: can you copy the message?
[09:50] <joseph> It automatically opens when I download it and I can't save it, it says this - 
[09:50] <PupenoL> What do I need to install to get Python highlighting on Emacs ?
[09:51] <strike4ce> joseph: use that link to paste the message and then copy and paste the link here
[09:53] <joseph> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3990
[09:53] <joseph> Sorry it took so long.
[09:53] <joseph> Had to do some other stuff to get it and stuff.
[09:53] <joseph> o.O
[09:53] <joseph> Also included is a screenshot
[09:53] <deacon> Gah!  I don't get it.  I deactivated my ath0, and activated my eth0.  I connected a Cat5 to my Ethernet port, and nothing.  Until I statically assigned my DNS.  THEN I was able to pull an IP!  I don't get it!  this makes no sense!
[09:54] <ICXCNIKA> I now have Kubuntu!
[09:56] <joseph> Be you busy?
[09:56] <strike4ce> joseph: np
[09:57] <strike4ce> joseph: what was the filename?
[09:57] <joseph> strike4ce, ?
[09:57] <joseph> Hold on.
[09:57] <joseph> mtaskbar-0.7_0.7-1_i386.deb
[09:57] <strike4ce> joseph: just put it in here
[09:58] <strike4ce> joseph: where did you get that?
[09:58] <joseph> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=25615
[09:59] <strike4ce> joseph: uninstall the it
[09:59] <joseph> What?
[09:59] <strike4ce> joseph: lol, sorry uninstall the program
[10:00] <joseph> I never installed it. o.O
[10:00] <joseph> It won't let me.
[10:00] <strike4ce> joseph: do you have adept
[10:00] <joseph> Remember? It says its corrupt.
[10:00] <joseph> Yes.
[10:00] <strike4ce> open adept and type in the name
[10:01] <strike4ce> joseph: is it there?
[10:01] <joseph> ?
[10:01] <joseph> I don't think so.
[10:02] <joseph> I've tried searching.
[10:02] <strike4ce> joseph: you have in adept?
[10:02] <joseph> ?
[10:02] <joseph> What?
[10:02] <joseph> I can't understand you.
[10:02] <joseph> o.O
[10:02] <strike4ce> joseph: did you open adept package manager?
[10:02] <joseph> Yes.
[10:03] <joseph> I searched too.
[10:03] <strike4ce> ok type the name of the program  mstaskbar
[10:03] <strike4ce> joseph: oops taskbar v
[10:03] <joseph> Nope.
[10:03] <joseph> It doesn't work.
[10:04] <strike4ce> go to terminal and do remove command
[10:04] <strike4ce> gtg
[10:04] <strike4ce> sorry
[10:05] <stratovarius> huys what is the command line to install java?
[10:05] <stratovarius> sudo apt-get instal ....
[10:05] <ICXCNIKA> I need to figure out how to get my Dell TrueMobile WLan to work. The url that someone gave me earlier isn't any good.
[10:06] <stratovarius> no one can help me?that is a very simple question
[10:06] <joseph> Can someone help me install Taskbar V2?
[10:07] <apokryphos> joseph: which part are you having a problem with?
[10:07] <joseph> OK.
[10:07] <joseph> Hold on. :)
[10:08] <joseph> Wait.
[10:08] <joseph> Do you know how I can access the history in Konqueror?
[10:08] <stratovarius> what is the command line to install java?
[10:08] <joseph> Sorry I'm still a linux newbie.
[10:08] <joseph> stratovarius, which part are you at?
[10:08] <Geuis> if I want to install a program thats not in the package manager, what would I do?
[10:09] <apokryphos> joseph: wget http://plaza.ufl.edu/rheck/mtaskbar-0.7_0.7-1_i386.deb && sudo dpkg -i mtask*.deb
[10:09] <joseph> Geuis, apt-get miht work, I'm not sure. o.O
[10:09] <apokryphos> !tell stratovarius about javadebs
[10:09] <apokryphos> stratovarius: once you grab the one you want, then sudo dpkg -i somepack.deb
[10:09] <joseph> Oh wow.
[10:10] <joseph> Thanks d00d.
[10:10] <joseph> nice!
[10:10] <stratovarius> apok cant I install java with apt-get?
[10:10] <joseph> OK.
[10:10] <apokryphos> stratovarius: if you're on breezy, you can get blackdown java from multiverse; but, sunjava is not in any of the ubuntu repositories.
[10:10] <joseph> NOW its saying this: The Taskbar V2 applet could not be loaded. Please check your installation.
[10:10] <apokryphos> joseph: where does it say that?
[10:11] <joseph> When I right click on the bar at the bottom.
[10:11] <joseph> And go to: add to panel --> applet --> Taskbar V2
[10:11] <apokryphos> right
[10:11] <apokryphos> hm, you might have to compile
[10:11] <joseph> Alright.
[10:11] <apokryphos> joseph: first remove the currently installed one:  sudo dpkg -r mtask*.deb
[10:13] <joseph> OK, its not working. o.O
[10:13] <apokryphos> joseph: what isn't? It didn't remove it?
[10:13] <joseph> I don't think so.
[10:13] <joseph> Hold on.
[10:14] <apokryphos> joseph: what's the terminal output?
[10:14] <joseph> Paste?
[10:14] <apokryphos> ok, I've gotta go, but here's what to do from now:
[10:14] <joseph> its not big, I promise.
[10:15] <apokryphos> if it's not big, then go for it
[10:15] <joseph> dpkg: you must specify packages by their own names, not by quoting the names of the files they come in
[10:15] <apokryphos> :/
[10:15] <ICXCNIKA> Can anyone help me with ndiswrapper?
[10:16] <apokryphos> joseph: sudo apt-get build-dep kate && wget http://www.uni-weimar.de/~wolff3/kdelook/mtaskbar-0.7.tar.bz2 && cd cd mtaskbar-0.7/ && ./configure --prefix=/usr && make && sudo make install
[10:17] <apokryphos> hopefully that should do it fine for you; gotta go now. If you have problems I'll try to help when I'm back
[10:17] <joseph> OK.
[10:17] <joseph> Thanks!
[10:18] <ICXCNIKA> hm
[10:20] <Geuis> can I make my desktop change based on the time?
[10:22] <kevman> Grr. What is kubuntu's default kernel for x86?
[10:23] <joseph> WTF?
[10:23] <ICXCNIKA> I guess not.
[10:23] <joseph> It still doesn't work. o.O
[10:23] <joseph> I don't know what went wrong.
[10:23] <joseph> My system must be majorly fucked p.
[10:23] <joseph> *up.
[10:25] <_oliver> hello
[10:26] <paulproteus> ICXCNIKA: What's the problem?
[10:27] <paulproteus> !ndiswrapper
[10:27] <ubotu> ndiswrapper is probably a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[10:28] <paulproteus> ICXCNIKA: Install the module-assistant package.  Then do:
[10:28] <paulproteus> module-assistant install ndiswrapper
[10:28] <joseph> Oh, I see.
[10:28] <joseph> I did the debian instead of the .tar.bz2, must not've seen it. o.O
[10:33] <ICXCNIKA> Um. Okay.
[10:34] <ICXCNIKA> It's not even taking me there.
[10:34] <calcmandan|breez> i''m looking for the xconfig file so i can back it up before enabling my ATI driver.  Anyone know the exact name of the file?
[10:34] <calcmandan|breez> just read the FAQ
[10:35] <calcmandan|breez> would it be xf86config?
[10:38] <rumburak> hello guys ;]  someone using Yakuake here ?
[10:41] <rumburak> please pm me, if ur using Yakuake ;] 
[10:43] <propagandhi> i am
[10:43] <propagandhi> using yakuake
[10:43] <propagandhi> but if I dont PM on first dates
[10:44] <rumburak> okay, i donno how i can make some configuration with Yakuake
[10:44] <rumburak> i want change size of windows.. etc..
[10:45] <propagandhi> you want to change the size of the yakuake window
[10:45] <rumburak> yes
[10:45] <propagandhi> theres a little down arrow in the bottom right corner, it allows you to do that
[10:46] <rumburak> nice, i dont see that arrow
[10:47] <propagandhi> you see where the scrollbar is 
[10:47] <propagandhi> below the scrollbar is an X a down arrow and a +
[10:47] <_sergio_> Hi does anybody know how to use voyage 200 in kubuntu?
[10:47] <rumburak> propagandhi: i have it now..
[10:49] <_sergio_> Hi does anybody know how to use voyage 200 in kubuntu?
[10:49] <manveru_> what is voyage 200?
[10:50] <_sergio_> voyage 200 it's a calculator for ingeneering studies
[10:50] <_sergio_> that works only on windows
[10:50] <rumburak> propagandhi: good, i have resized it now and now i want to hide text > KDE Terminal Emulator at bottom of windows, can i do it ?
[10:51] <rumburak> propagandhi: window*
[10:57] <propagandhi> rumburak, in the right configuration file or graphic I'm sure you could
[10:58] <propagandhi> rumburak - for me it'll be in /usr/share/apps/yakuake/default/title
[10:58] <rumburak> propagandhi: im trying to find some info about this configuration around web, but without succes
[10:58] <propagandhi> rumburak - for me it'll be in /usr/share/apps/yakuake/default/ I mean
[10:59] <rumburak> propagandhi: ok i take a look
[10:59] <propagandhi> rumburak: in the title.skin file you can specify the terminal title bar text
[11:03] <rumburak> propagandhi: text i can change now, but can i erase that bar ?
[11:06] <propagandhi> I'd say to 'erase' the bar you need to modify the image, perhaps you could just make it transparent, or reduce its size 
[11:08] <rumburak> propagandhi: size is still same, im trying to change X and Y to smaller numbers
[11:08] <propagandhi> rumburak: the size of what is still the same
[11:09] <rumburak> propagandhi: size of bar which is at bottom, icon with arrow is on it
[11:09] <propagandhi> rumburak: have you edited the bars image
[11:10] <rumburak> propagandhi: no no
[11:11] <propagandhi> rumburak: you need to edit the images, otherwise the size wont change because the image will stretch as required
[11:12] <rumburak> propagandhi: it sounds logicaly
[11:13] <propagandhi> rumburak: thats good
[11:13] <rumburak> propagandhi: i try to resize... images
[11:14] <rumburak> propagandhi: but, see u some skins around web ? on homepage is nothing ;[
[11:16] <ICXCNIKA> Maybe I need to download xmms.
[11:17] <ICXCNIKA> Mp3s are just not playing.
[11:17] <rumburak> have u codecs ?
[11:17] <propagandhi> rumburak: i dont know of any skins, I like the default, but its not hard to modify the image
[11:18] <rumburak> propagandhi: i found images which i want resize. but i must make backup ;] 
[11:19] <ICXCNIKA> I am not sure. That is what I am trying to get.
[11:19] <allee> Hi
[11:19] <ICXCNIKA> Though I don't know how to use Konsole very well.
[11:19] <ICXCNIKA> Can I get them through Terminal?
[11:20] <allee> Anyone a AVM B1 PCMCIA isdn card?  Mine stopped working after hoary->breezy dist-upgrade (can't get IRQ 11)
[11:20] <rumburak> ICXCNIKA: search > easykubuntu that adds useful features to ur kubuntu in few clicks.. no console
[11:20] <ICXCNIKA> ok
[11:21] <rumburak> ICXCNIKA: np
[11:25] <rumburak> propagandhi: okay thank u for good help, i now know how do that i want.. thx again
[11:26] <ICXCNIKA> I found one, but it is all in French.
[11:26] <propagandhi> rumburak: no problems
[11:26] <Christophe971> omfg
[11:27] <rumburak> ICXCNIKA: http://olwin.free.fr/serendipity/ here is what u want
[11:27] <rumburak> ICXCNIKA: scrool down a little, there is english version
[11:28] <ICXCNIKA> Thanks!
[11:28] <fatbrain> When I type cmdName it gets executed, but when I do sudo cmdName it sais it can't be found... Why?
[11:29] <ICXCNIKA> I opened it but it gave me an error.
[11:30] <ICXCNIKA> It says the utility ar is not in your PATH
[11:30] <rumburak> ICXCNIKA: right click on archive and there is install somewhere.. after taht u find icon in System via K menu
[11:31] <olwin> INSTALLATION : right click on the file --> kubuntu package menu --> Install Package 
[11:31] <olwin>  to launch Easy Kubuntu : Kde Menu --> System --> Easy Kubuntu 
[11:31] <olwin> ICXCNIKA: download this version : http://olwin.free.fr/easykubuntu-0.6.deb 
[11:33] <mpmc> I need a good PHP editor for KDE (Not Quanta)
[11:33] <kkathman> Quanta is the best Ive found mpmc :)
[11:33] <kkathman> and I program for a living
[11:34] <mpmc> kkathman: I want something PHP only, If you know what I mean.
[11:38] <kkathman> mpmc In the way of open source, its the best.  You can certainly get Zend's Studio or the other commerical products
[11:38] <kkathman> mpmc but Quanta can handle anything, includes previews, has its own debugger
[11:38] <kkathman> I dont know what else you'd want
[11:39] <mpmc> I've gone with Screem...
[11:39] <mpmc> anything like it for KDE?
[11:39] <kkathman> thats just an HTML XML editor :)
[11:40] <kkathman> holy cow Quanta is like 100x the product
[11:40] <kkathman> and its KDE
[11:40] <kkathman> but its up to you I suppose
[11:41] <kkathman> in any case, gnome products can be run under KDE as long as you install the gnome components
[11:43] <ICXCNIKA> Man, Gstreamer is taking a long time to dl.
[11:43] <joseph> Can anyone help me install Taskbar V2?
[11:43] <joseph> Help me uninstall it first. :)
[11:45] <joseph> :(
[11:46] <kkathman> how did you install it in the first place joseph?
[11:46] <joseph> Umm..
[11:46] <joseph> Debian file.
[11:46] <joseph> Surce.
[11:46] <joseph> *Source.
[11:47] <joseph> Neither worked, I'm going to try and uninstall it then reinstall it with the source file.
[11:47] <kkathman> you compiled, did a ./configure, make and make install?
[11:47] <joseph> Yep.
[11:47] <joseph> I think it came out with a couple errors at the end, but I don't remember them though.
[11:47] <kkathman> ok you can go back to that directory where your files are, and do a sudo make uninstall
[11:48] <joseph> Alright.
[11:48] <joseph> I'm done.
[11:49] <kkathman> there ya go
[11:50] <joseph> ?
[11:50] <joseph> o.O
[11:50] <kkathman> ?
[11:51] <joseph> [17:49]  <kkathman> there ya go
[11:51] <joseph> Were you talking to someone else?
[11:51] <kkathman> no to you
[11:51] <kkathman> you wanted to uninstall it..and its uninstalled
[11:52] <joseph> OH.
[11:52] <joseph> Yeah.
[11:52] <joseph> Sorry. xD
[11:52] <joseph> If I get any errors, I'll tell you.
[11:52] <joseph> Oh and HEY AGAIN! :)
[11:52] <kkathman> okie dokie :)
[11:52] <joseph> Are you like ALWAYS in here? :P
[11:52] <kkathman> hmm..not always...cuz I do have a real job 
[11:52] <kkathman> hehe
[11:52] <joseph> Lol. :)
[11:52] <kkathman> but I try to be here a lot
[11:52] <kkathman> if I can help
[11:53] <joseph> I have school, but I'm usually in here with a problem because I am a linux nub.
[11:53] <kkathman> thats ok...everyone is a newbie at one time
[11:53] <joseph> So it seems.
[11:53] <kkathman> 'sok
[11:54] <nicholaspaul> a nice 'quieter' channel! I'm having trouble with the OSX finder seizing when i click on networks/Ubuntu, when other machines on the network are ok. Anyone know of differences between hoary and breezy in the smb.conf??
[11:55] <joseph> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3994
[11:55] <joseph> Help! :(
[11:55] <joseph> This always happens when I do this. :(
[11:56] <joseph> When I always make I mean.
[11:56] <joseph> And errors in make install too, probably because there were errors in make
[11:57] <kkathman> be sure joseph to run make install at the root level...ie. sudo make install
[11:57] <joseph> wh00ps
[11:57] <joseph> Same thing with make?
[11:58] <kkathman> I dont think so..but funny, I get those same errors with my last compile I did.
[11:58] <joseph> Interesting..
[11:58] <joseph> Nope, still errors. :(
[11:59] <joseph> Dangit.
[11:59] <joseph> So you can't help me then?
[11:59] <kkathman> Im not a developer or a person that compiles all that often...I'd like to know the answer too :)
[12:00] <joseph> Alright. ;)
[12:02] <propagandhi> joseph: are you using the --prefix
[12:02] <kairu0> hey all
[12:02] <kkathman> hi kairu0 :)