[12:02] <schweeb> fabbione: that's what I figured
[12:02] <bob2> haha
[12:03] <schweeb> I'll just set up an unofficial repository
[12:03] <schweeb> if I can figure out a good way to pkg it
[12:03] <fabbione> schweeb: the problem is xen upstream. their stable release moves to slow
[12:04] <fabbione> and it goes too fast out of sync with our kernels
[12:06] <schweeb> yea
[12:15] <Kamion> Akatemik: glad to hear it. what was the problem?
[12:19] <Akatemik> Kamion: Some messup with initrd. Copied it over again from the release and it worked.
[12:20] <Akatemik> Now I tried to make a minimalistic system beginning from just debootstrap instead of stripping the released livecd. Unfortunately the "installer" didn't like it and aborted.
[12:20] <Akatemik> Also with an informative message like "filesystem isn't correct", quite hard to know what exactly it wants from it.
[12:22] <Kamion> I think I need the exact message there in order to be able to help; paraphrased errors are hard to work with
[12:22] <Kamion> IIRC it needs to be an ext2 filesystem compressed using create_compressed_fs from cloop-utils
[12:28] <Akatemik> Kamion: I'll boot and check. And yes, it needs that. That's how I've been repacking the premade cloops.
[12:29] <Akatemik> (This time I'll use english installer...)
[12:32] <Akatemik> Kamion: "Enter preinstalled session: Installation step failed"
[12:47] <Kamion> Akatemik: there should be more information in /var/log/syslog and/or /var/log/messages, hopefully
[12:53] <mdke> is it possible for someone to stick up a notice at ubuntu.com explaining the problem and saying "we are working to resolve", or something?
[12:57] <carstenh> hi
[12:57] <carstenh> ajmitch: ping
[12:58] <carstenh> ajmitch: unping ;) i did not see "Still Editing UDU spec.."
[12:58] <ajmitch> carstenh: :)
[12:58] <ajmitch> carstenh:I'm in a bug BOF at the moment
[12:59] <ajmitch> will get back to writing
[12:59] <mae> is selinux support expected to be in dapper -- and what about NetworkManager
[01:00] <mae> :)
[01:00] <carstenh> ajmitch: it does not hurry, i just wondered why there is i.e. still a laptop mode before i read that you are still working on it :)
[01:00] <schweeb> mae: NetworkManager is already in Breezy... just not in main
[01:00] <schweeb> and it works... I'm using it now
[01:00] <mae> oh - it works well then?
[01:00] <ajmitch> mae: selinux support will hopefully get in
[01:00] <mae> nice
[01:01] <ajmitch> but that support will be limited if it does get in
[01:01] <ajmitch> not likely to have policies turned on by default :)
[01:01] <mae> well i wanted it rather so i could lock down an apache installation easily
[01:01] <mae> :)
[01:01] <tseng> not likely to have policies installed or built
[01:01] <mae> aww.
[01:01] <tseng> rather in universe
[01:02] <tseng> but hopefully not too many apt-gets and kernel command lines away
[01:02] <YokoZar> There are still links to ubuntu.com/wiki
[01:02] <ajmitch> yes, universe would be the most likely place to pland policy & probably admin tools, unless they're all in shape by feature freeze & can be supported in main for 5 years..
[01:02] <mdke> YokoZar, where?
[01:02] <ajmitch> s/pland/land/
[01:02] <YokoZar> mdke: in the forums
[01:02] <YokoZar> At the top
[01:02] <mdke> YokoZar, ubuntu.com/wiki was never a valid address, afaicr
[01:03] <mae> ajmitch: well selinux _would_ make sense to get in for the 5 year supported product :P
[01:03] <mdke> ah ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[01:03] <mdke> that is valid afaik
[01:03] <mae> as security is fairly important if we want to compete as a server os
[01:03] <mae> RHEL already has it.
[01:03] <ajmitch> certainly, however it means getting everything in a known, supportable state
[01:04] <mdke> YokoZar, the main website server is down right now so that is probably why the link doesn't work. But you can contact the forums if you want to give them the direct address (https://wiki.u.c)
[01:04] <ajmitch> it's not something that can be quickly added to a distribution
[01:04] <mdke> you've upset him ajmitch 
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[01:05] <mae> did i miss the response? :P
[01:05] <Riddell> no
[01:05] <YokoZar> mdke: ahh ok
[01:06] <ajmitch> heh
[01:07] <mdke> corey_, ping?
[01:08] <corey_> mdke, pong
[01:08] <mdke> busy?
[01:08] <corey_> nope
[01:08] <mdke> quick chat about that wiki thing?
[01:08] <sabdfl> jdub: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda could you link to that from the Fridge please?
[01:09] <jdub> sabdfl: is there a story?
[01:09] <jdub> WHAT'S MY MOTIVATION? i am a unique snowflake, serving coffee in hollywood.
[01:10] <bob2> you are not a beautiful snowflake
[01:10] <lifeless> hah!
[01:10] <lifeless> he is most definately unique
[01:11] <YokoZar> What do I do if I lost my password for the wiki?  It says to enter in email and then click a button that's not there...
[01:14] <YokoZar> oh wait, I guess I have to do that at launchpad, not at the wiki
[01:15] <sabdfl> jdub: doh
[01:16] <sabdfl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrantingMembership
[01:17] <bob2> erk
[01:17] <mdke> wasn't the point of having the CC do it ensuring that the CC and the wider community gets to know more about cool work being done around the place?
[01:17] <bob2> membership is orthogonal to things like upload rights, yeah?
[01:18] <lifeless> yah
[01:21] <Loevborg> orthogonal in this context means impertinent?
[01:21] <bob2> I'm hoping "unrelated"
[01:21] <Loevborg> ok. I always wondered about that.
[01:22] <YokoZar> orthogonal means at a 90 degree angle, duh
[01:22] <YokoZar> ;)
[01:24] <Loevborg> maybe this is compsci jargon, never heard it anywhere else with this meaning.
[01:25] <bob2> geeks seem to use orthogonal in that sense
[01:26] <jdong> totally out of curiousity, what's Ubuntu's status as far as LSB compliancy is concerned?
[01:27] <bob2> I believe it's been tested with all 3 proprietary lsb-requiring applications
[01:27] <Loevborg> but, I guess, this is completely orthogonal to #ubuntu-devel.
[01:27] <jdub> pretty good, talk to jbailey 
[01:27] <jdong> bob2: cool :). So our lsb-* packages provide a fairly LSB-compliant environment?
[01:27] <jdong> minus the RPM alienage? ;)
[01:27] <bob2> oh, I have no idea, I'm just joking because I've never seen anything care about lsb
[01:28] <jdong> lol
[01:28] <jdong> true enough; most commerical Linux apps are statically linked anyway, requiring ridiculously low common denominators :)
[01:29] <tseng> apt-get install libstdc++5
[01:30] <bob2> in your pants
[01:30] <tseng> the irony, i just sent a mail to jeff about my pants
[01:31] <jdong> also, are there any ready-in-a-box frontends to monitoring a router box?
[01:31] <jdong> like the interface that IPCop/Smoothwall provides
[01:31] <tseng> cacti
[01:31] <tseng> or mrtg for a single host
[01:31] <jdong> so that monitors traffic and load.... what about active connections? Any cool table parser?
[01:31] <tseng> cacti can do nearly anything
[01:31] <tseng> mrtg wants to do traffic in and out
[01:31] <jdong> IPCop can show a color-coded table of connections... can cacti do something similar?
[01:32] <tseng> you have to fight it to do more
[01:32] <tseng> this is getting off the mark, though
[01:32] <tseng> msg me
[01:32] <jdong> I know, sorry... abusing the room....
[01:32] <tseng> i happen to write this kind of software for a living :)
[01:32] <tseng> i know whats around
[01:52] <YokoZar> Is it possible to remove a package from breezy universe?
[01:52] <Riddell> YokoZar: yes
[01:52] <YokoZar> I mean, from the repository
[01:52] <bob2> what's the reason?
[01:52] <Riddell> YokoZar: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MorgueCandidates
[01:52] <YokoZar> Riddell: added it there already :)
[01:52] <LaserJock> Riddell: is MorgueCandidates even being used?
[01:53] <YokoZar> bob2: It does literally nothing and conflicts with the package that it's supposed to help.
[01:53] <bob2> I wouldn't think that was a good enough reason
[01:53] <YokoZar> Specifically, I'm talking about winesetuptk and xwine and libwine-cil, which are used by nothing and don't work with the wine package in universe
[01:53] <Riddell> LaserJock: no idea
[01:54] <YokoZar> We talked about removing them on the mailing list a couple of months ago, but that slipped by release time :(
[01:54] <LaserJock> Riddell: http://morgue.ubuntu.com/ hasn't been updated since July
[01:54] <YokoZar> And those july folders are empty
[01:54] <LaserJock> That's my point
[01:55] <LaserJock> I don't know if anything is being done there
[01:55] <YokoZar> Is morguecandidates the procedure for removing packages?
[01:56] <YokoZar> More importantly, the packages confuse users trying to install Wine
[01:56] <YokoZar> I don't see what good keeping them around does
[01:57] <LaserJock> YokoZar: I see that but I guess the question is how do we get rid of them and when
[01:57] <LaserJock> I don't think that morgue.ubuntu.com is the way to go but maybe I'm wrong
[01:58] <YokoZar> Perhaps I'll write an email to the list
[01:58] <LaserJock> And I doubt that it would be taken out of Breezy
[01:58] <YokoZar> Get Matt's opinion on it
[01:59] <Riddell> YokoZar: elmo is incharge of removing stuff, he will take requests from trusted MOTUs
[01:59] <YokoZar> Riddell: can he do it from Breezy?
[01:59] <Riddell> YokoZar: no, breezy is released
[01:59] <YokoZar> ok then, I'll talk to him
[02:04] <Alinux> #ubuntu-devel
[02:04] <Alinux> hello, I'm interested to translate,ubuntu text installer...what's templates or packages exact name ?
[02:05] <tseng> Alinux: debian-installer should be
[02:05] <Alinux> is it the same for ubuntu?
[02:06] <Alinux> I see there is no georgian version...so I'd like to translate it.
[02:30] <Kamion> LaserJock: morgue.ubuntu.com is dead for (AIUI) disk space reasons; but if people didn't insist on using the word "morgue" instead of what they actually mean, i.e. "remove", this would be less of a problem ;)
[02:32] <LaserJock> Kamion: makes sense, what is the current procedure for getting a package removed then, email elmo?
[02:36] <Kamion> LaserJock: right, but if it's not going to be necessarily obvious to somebody unfamiliar with the package in question then discuss it in a wider forum first
[02:37] <LaserJock> Kamion: Ok, that's cool. I just wondered what we wanted to tell people. I hate having to say "Sorry, can't help. Go bug somebody else." ;-)
[02:37] <YokoZar> Thanks
[02:37] <YokoZar> I'll send a mail to the list then
[03:33] <zakame> hi all
[05:09] <Kinnison> corey_: come downstairs once you've voided your bowels
[05:10] <corey_> Kinnison, coming
[05:11] <Kinnison> corey_: eww
[05:11] <Kinnison> corey_: that's cream for your number 2
[05:31] <bob2> who designed the default xscreensaver/planet ubuntu user icon?
[05:31] <bob2> it's like an evil little lego dude
[05:32] <daniels> i blame jwz
[05:33] <tritium> that goatee is surely not a unix beard
[05:34] <LaserJock> tritium: he does look a little too groomed doesn't he ;-)
[05:35] <infinity> He kinda looks like me.
[05:35] <bob2> oops, I meant planet \sh
[05:36] <bob2> \sh_away: also, I get random bright white dots scattered over my xterms
[05:37] <tritium> LaserJock, heh
[07:17] <YokoZar> Is there a way for an application invoked with sudo to know the user that invoked it?
[07:18] <YokoZar> Other than root, that is - the sudoer?
[07:30] <shawarma> YokoZar: Not really the right channel, but yes, the SUDO_USER environment variable.
[07:31] <YokoZar> I was just wondering because I was wanted to know if there was a way for the browse button in the system->administration->disks program to NOT open nautilus windows with root permissions
[07:31] <YokoZar> In fact, that might be a pretty serious bug
[07:32] <shawarma> I'm quite sure it's been discussed before. I don't remember the outcome of the discussion, though.
[07:33] <robitaille> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17049
[07:33] <robitaille> i.e, the bug is still open
[07:39] <YokoZar> indeed.  Wiki entry added to Usability wishlist.
[07:47] <poningru> can someone tell me about some docs on the opencd?
[08:06] <pef> hello
[08:55] <LaserJock> exit
[09:00] <lbm> just took a peak on the ubz galleries around the web, those ubuntu laptop stickers look really neat!
[09:00] <lbm> are these for sale somewhere? :)
[09:09] <highvoltage> hi, is it safe to dist-upgrade from warty to breezy? or should i dist-upgrade warty -> hoary -> breezy?
[09:31] <dooglus> negative press: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/11/01/157225
[09:33] <crimsun> frankly off-topic, but it's not negative so much as "Guest" is misinformed
[09:39] <dooglus> he is?  i'm just uninformed, me.
[09:45] <zyga> dooglus: launchpad will be FOSS once it's good enough
[10:17] <kent> highvoltage, this is not the supportchannel. Try #ubuntu for that.
[10:18] <zyga> anyone around hacks gdm?
[10:45] <nailbiter> Is there an Ubuntu developer mentoring program? I'd like to sign up as a mentee. :)
[10:45] <crimsun> no, we don't mentor per se. See #ubuntu-motu
[10:46] <nailbiter> crimsun: Thanks. :)
[01:20] <LaschW> is there a roadmap for ubuntu server, precisely out of the box services like ldap as RH and SUSE already have?
[02:04] <dholbach> mcpp wil have to be promoted to main for xrdb (build-depends)
[03:49] <pef> elmo: hello, can you confirm I'm whitelisted for uploads ?
[04:36] <jordi> little daniel has a little laptop
[04:37] <daniels> yes, but mine's in english, not spanish
[04:38] <Lathiat> daniels: did i mention that mesa update fixed all my problems?
[04:39] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, /all/ your problems? ;)
[04:39] <Lathiat> all my mesa related problems ;)
[04:39] <daniels> Lathiat: which mesa problems were you having?
[04:39] <Lathiat> nvidia gl not workign on my laptop, and a missing symbol while tryign to compile some screensaver
[04:40] <Lathiat> i mean my glxgears fps is higher, that means its fixed right? ;)
[05:07] <daniels> Keybuk: so what's going on with mom?
[05:24] <Lathiat> hrm jus tupgraded to dapper and nothing broke
[05:24] <Lathiat> boring :)
[05:54] <slomo_> is there a reason why ubuntu.com shows the bazaar page and www.ubuntu.com shows the correct ubuntu page? ;)
[05:56] <mdke> slomo_, they're still working on the website afaik
[05:56] <Burgundavia> slomo_, a bug due to the ubuntu website going down
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[05:57] <slomo_> ok, thanks
[06:06] <tseng> pitti: can you please review xsp inclusion report?
[06:06] <tseng> pitti: it is blocking progress for the time being
[06:06] <pitti> tseng: no main inclusion reports in this week, sorry; we are at UBZ
[06:07] <tseng> ok, thanks pitti 
[07:21] <HiddenWolf> jdub, ping
[07:28] <jdub> HiddenWolf: wong
[07:28] <jdub> HiddenWolf: pong
[07:29] <HiddenWolf> jdub, who is the leader of the accessibility team?
[07:30] <jdub> HiddenWolf: of which project?
[07:30] <HiddenWolf> jdub, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AccessibilityTeam
[07:31] <jdub> HiddenWolf: ostensibly henrik
[07:31] <HiddenWolf> jdub, hmm
[07:32] <HiddenWolf> jdub, cool, thanks.
[07:40] <zyga> hello dapper lovers
[07:40] <zyga> sshd does not bind to any port after default install
[07:40] <zyga> the process just sits there doing nothing usefull
[07:40] <zyga> I'm using default config
[07:43] <Kamion> zyga: anything in /var/log/auth.log?
[07:44] <Kamion> I must admit I didn't test the most recent openssh/dapper upload much, I just merged it with Debian
[07:44] <Kamion> it works fine in Debian, but there's that openssl transition in progress ...
[07:44] <zyga> Kamion: checking
[07:45] <zyga> nothing, I'll rotate logs and install from scratch to be sure 
[07:45] <zyga> one sec
[07:46] <Kamion> check /var/log/syslog and maybe /var/log/daemon.log too
[07:46] <zyga> syslog didn't have anything speciall 
[07:46] <Kamion> default sshd_config?
[07:46] <zyga> actually it did but not related to the issue
[07:46] <zyga> yes, default
[07:46] <zyga> checking daemon
[07:47] <zyga> nothing 
[07:47] <Kamion> failing that you probably have to 'strace -f' sshd startup to see what it's doing
[07:47] <zyga> right
[07:47] <Kamion> could be there's a stray process bound to port 22 (or one that was bound to port 22 less than whatever the timeout was ago) and it's getting confused
[07:48] <zyga> Kamion: according to netstat nothing is bound to :22
[07:48] <Kamion> anyway, we're off-topic for #ubuntu-devel, file a bug if you can't track it down
[07:48] <zyga> right
[07:49] <zyga> if I find the issue I'll tell about it anyway
[07:54] <zyga> root@falcon:/var/log# sshd
[07:54] <zyga> sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path
[07:54] <zyga> any clue on how to run this manually?
[08:02] <ompaul> zyga, that is what #ubuntu will help you with
[08:03] <zyga> ompaul: true, solved already anyway
[08:05] <Amaranth> all those people dying the same way in a matter of 5 minutes
[08:05] <Amaranth> did the net connection drop in their part of montreal? :P
[08:07] <\sh> Amaranth: if you leave the hotspot of the ubuntu wlan..u lose the connection..which is quite normal
[08:07] <\sh> Amaranth: and the ubuntu wlan is in S1 and most of the guys are now on level 2 to have lunch
[08:08] <Amaranth> ah
[08:08] <Amaranth> they should /quit first
[08:12] <\sh> Amaranth: why?
[08:13] <Amaranth> \sh: it makes it look like something bad happened having them all just drop like that :)
[08:14] <\sh> Amaranth: don't worry...
[08:15] <zyga> wow
[08:15] <zyga> ubuntu gnu/solaris?!? :-))
[08:16] <HiddenWolf> zyga, no, debian/gnusolaris. :)
[08:16] <Mithrandir> it's probably not redistributable, though
[08:17] <zyga> ./ story claims ubuntu is participating
[08:17] <zyga> which is great BTW :-)
[08:17] <tseng> yes
[08:17] <tseng> because they sent us an email
[08:18] <zyga> what about gnu/hurd ;-)
[08:18] <tseng> we probably got an email from then too
[08:19] <Amaranth> some /.er saw the email on ubuntu-devel and submitted the story thinking it came from someone official
[08:20] <zyga> awww :)
[08:20] <Amaranth> i should send an email to ubuntu-devel saying Microsoft plans to work on an Ubuntu derivitive called Windotu
[08:20] <tseng> "Special thanks to the Ubuntu developers! Ubuntu is a state-of-the-art distribution!"
[08:21] <HiddenWolf> s/distribution/rippable product
[08:21] <HiddenWolf> :P
[08:21] <tseng> anyway, nothing to see here
[08:21] <zyga> hmm
[08:21] <tseng> back to your reguarly schedule #ubuntu-devel
[08:21] <HiddenWolf> windotu. ;)
[08:21] <zyga> there are some syntax errors in default server breezy install?
[08:21] <zyga> prep-menu has a syntax error 
[08:52] <Kamion> zyga: because obviously we never test any installations at all :P
[08:55] <Mithrandir> tests are for wussies
[08:55] <zyga> Kamion: very funny
[08:59] <ompaul> sudo apt-get install new_ethos_if_it_was_hard_to_write_it_should_be_hard_to_run
[08:59] <Mithrandir> ompaul: if that was the case, it'd be impossible to run.
[09:00] <ompaul> Mithrandir, :)
[09:01] <daniels> Keybuk: mergeomatic for dbus plskthxx
[09:05] <Keybuk> daniels: do it yourself
[09:05] <daniels> Keybuk: doing it by hand is a pain in the arse.  what happened to mom?
[09:06] <Amaranth> she died
[09:07] <daniels> :'(
[09:07] <Keybuk> daniels: nothing, if the package in ongoing-merge isn't what you were expecting, you need to do it yourself?
[09:07] <daniels> Keybuk: hasn't been updated since april
[09:07] <Keybuk> daniels: that most likely means it's a snapshot-fuck package
[09:07] <Amaranth> wtf does that mean?
[09:08] <daniels> i second that
[09:08] <Keybuk> snapshot.debian.net melted its disk array
[09:09] <daniels> ah
[09:09] <daniels> yeah
[09:09] <daniels> fuck
[09:09] <Keybuk> either that, or it's not "needs merged" in katie
[09:10] <Keybuk> hmm
[09:11] <Keybuk>  * Processing dbus
[09:11] <Keybuk>    - unstable: 0.23.4-1
[09:11] <Keybuk>    - main: 0.23.4-0ubuntu3
[09:11] <Keybuk>  * Downloading http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/pool/d/dbus/source/Sources.gz
[09:11] <Keybuk>    - base: 0.23.2-3
[09:11] <Keybuk> W: Not changed since last run: dbus
[09:12] <tseng> hm that is an ass old version
[09:12] <daniels> oh
[09:12] <daniels> sync from experimental? :)
[09:12] <dooglus> hi guys.  I have a question...  shortly before breezy was released there was a development breezy kernel which booted to a black screen until gdm started up if I used "vga=773" in my lilo stanza.  the official breezy kernel fixed this.  but now, if I build my own kernel from breezy kernel sources, the problem comes back.  why?
[09:12] <Keybuk> it doesn't sync from experimental
[09:12] <dooglus> I'm wanting to build a 'win4lin' patched breezy kernel
[09:12] <daniels> hence my question
[09:13] <dooglus> I guess if I could find out what changed in the kernel just before breezy was released, I could find the answer I'm looking for.
[09:13] <tseng> dooglus: you want #ubuntu, there is unfortunately no support here
[09:13] <dooglus> tseng: oh dear.  there's no support there either for this kind of thing :(
[09:14] <Keybuk> http://snapshot.debian.net/2005/03/02/debian/pool/main/d/dbus
[09:14] <mdke> dooglus, there must be some support somewhere!
[09:14] <Keybuk> ^ 404
[09:14] <dooglus> mdke: that's what I was hoping
[09:14] <Keybuk> so it's both no newer version in Debian AND snapshot doesn't have the base
[09:15] <daniels> Keybuk: right, but right now we're working against experimental's 0.50-1, and breezy's 0.36.2-0ubuntu8
[09:16] <Keybuk> do it by hand
[09:17] <Keybuk> mom only reacts to a change in Debian, I can't remember why now though
[09:17] <daniels> hrm
[09:18] <Keybuk> oh, no, I did fix that
[09:18] <Keybuk> I think
[09:19] <Keybuk> yes, I did
[09:19] <Keybuk>  * Processing dbus
[09:19] <Keybuk>    - unstable: 0.23.4-7
[09:19] <Keybuk>    - main: 0.36.2-0ubuntu7
[09:19] <Keybuk>  * Downloading http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/pool/d/dbus/source/Sources.gz
[09:19] <Keybuk>    - base: 0.36.1-1
[09:19] <Keybuk> W: Debian behind our base version, skipping: dbus (0.36.1-1 > 0.23.4-7)
[10:22] <Mez> what have i done now ?
[10:22] <daniels> why on earth were you merging discover?
[10:22] <Mez> I was jst looking through the things that are there in bugzilla
[10:23] <daniels> ah, okay
[11:26] <ogra> highvoltage, ping ?
[11:39] <daniels> dilinger: woo!
[11:39] <dilinger> daniels: how's UBZ going?
[11:41] <daniels> tired
[11:43] <dilinger> of course
[11:43] <dilinger> it's an ubuntu conference :)
[11:47] <daniels> indeed
[11:49] <wasabi_> Small gdb question, got a break point set, and it tells me it hits it, but the program keeps running.
[11:49] <wasabi_> I want it to stop.
[11:53] <dilinger> neat, suspend even works
[11:53] <BenC> dilinger: be bold, use one of my 2.6.14 kernels :)
[11:53] <daniels> dilinger: *everything* works, except the sd card reader
[11:54] <dilinger> daniels: hibernate doesn't appear to be working
[11:54] <dilinger> or ,if it is, it's *really* slow
[11:54] <daniels> dilinger: wfm
[11:54] <bob2> wfm, and 5 jillion times faster than on hoary
[11:54] <dilinger> BenC: heh, i just installed it, don't want to break it just yet *g*
[11:55] <dilinger> BenC: you didn't bychance disable these awful looking timestamps in kernel logs, did'ja? :)
[11:55] <BenC> those are actually useful, for me atleast
[11:55] <BenC> helps me when I'm reading dmesg from bug reports
[11:55] <dilinger> yea, i figured
[11:55] <dilinger> but for users and for console output, they're awful
[11:56] <dilinger> i think this is stuck
[11:56] <dilinger> meh
[11:56] <BenC> it's probably doing the hibernate, but not shutting off the system
[11:57] <Mez> dillinger - I et the same thing
[11:58] <dilinger> BenC: it's when it's coming back up that it was hanging
[11:59] <dilinger> it gave a "swsusp: copying X pages ..." line andn then stopped
[11:59] <dilinger> i just rebooted it forcefullly
[11:59] <dilinger> i'll play around w/ 2.6.14 later
[11:59] <bob2> ipw2200?
[11:59] <dilinger> BenC: it'll work w/ breezy, right?  or will i need to run dapper?
[11:59] <dilinger> bob2: ipw2200 was active
[11:59] <dilinger> and associated
[11:59] <bob2> did you run /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh?
[12:00] <dilinger> actually, i should probably work on sx8.c before i go and break my laptop :)
[12:00] <dilinger> bob2: i clicked on "hibernate" in the gnome shutdown menu
[12:00] <tsume> *shrug*
[12:00] <bob2> dilinger: hm
[12:01] <dilinger> i can't tell you how nice it is to install linux on a laptop and have everything (right down to X and wireless) Just Work
[12:01] <tsume> dilinger: its wonderful sure.. except hibernate :)
[12:01] <dilinger> that has never happened to me before.  most of the time i have to fight for ages to get some aspect of the thing working