=== mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-47-165.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:08] mdke, shall we chat in here? [01:08] yeah cool [01:09] just sent a reply to the lsit [01:09] saw it [01:09] so your idea would be for everyone to be able to edit a development version, on one wiki, and only us to edit a stable version, on another wiki? [01:09] basically [01:09] that would be a hack while we evaulate a simply cms to replace it [01:09] ok that is something along the lines of what we were talking about with henrik all those months ago [01:09] by simple, I mean simple [01:09] lol [01:09] cms to replace moin? [01:09] ya [01:10] something with wiki-style markup, but some nicer features [01:10] I don't think it exists, so it might be a very longterm thing [01:10] well moin is on the main wiki [01:10] so it would be easier for porting [01:10] yes [01:10] also, the main website is gonna be on moin so it would make sense to use it [01:10] infact, moin = cms [01:10] all wikis = cms [01:10] ya [01:10] anyhow [01:11] it's a decent idea [01:11] it might be driving moin towards features we need [01:11] ok, that is good [01:11] but... [01:11] I was confused by your response [01:11] tired, so tired [01:11] i don't know if it would work in practise [01:11] will be noted at the top of the page). Please see HelpContents for help on navigation and editing or below at Editing this wiki. Please observe the [WWW] Ubuntu Code of Conduct at all times. [01:11] yeah i've had a long day too [01:11] argh sorry for that paste [01:11] it is ok [01:11] lemme gather my thoughts [01:11] ok [01:12] i dunno if trying to maintain two wikis would work [01:12] and it certainly would create problems for users looking for documentation [01:12] it would probably be less work that the current one [01:12] corey_, but not less work than having all wiki docs on help.u.c [01:12] editable by all [01:12] a doc.ubuntu.com wiki would have a huge disclaimer on it [01:12] doc.u.c? [01:12] ok, it was just an idea, not married to it [01:13] sure, neither am I married to mine... [01:13] probably, either solution is an improvement to the current state [01:13] I think maybe moving everything to help for starters [01:13] then if it doesn't really work, then we can evaluate further solutions [01:13] hmm [01:14] if we move the whole thing, then it doesn't work, we're bummed [01:14] hmm [01:14] oh well [01:14] well, we can do an intersection of what is in CategoryDoc and NOT in CategoryCleanup [01:14] that would be a good start [01:15] generate a list of that [01:15] move that over [01:15] we have a bit of time to think [01:15] see what the devs think [01:15] yes, I will generate some ideas at the bof [01:15] nothing is going to be decided there [01:15] although, i would rather have the spec a bit more mature before too many people decide it's a bad idea :) [01:16] but no biggie [01:16] the three names on it carry a far amount of wiki-weight :D [01:16] yes [01:16] at least one of the three is there [01:18] :) [01:18] henrik is gonna be crazy busy now the website has gone down :) [01:18] he said they were gonna do an emergency moin install :D [01:18] [01:18] I think at the end of the day, we will arrive at something we can use [01:18] do you live near hendrik? [01:19] not too far [01:19] he is in Oxford, I'm in london, about an hour between em by train [01:19] ah, that is why you need him [01:19] s/need/have met [01:19] lol [01:19] yeah [01:19] hmm, that was an interesting typo [01:19] lol === Mez [n=Mez@66.103.220.193] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@59.92.37.171] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@66.103.220.193] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:59] anybody having commit access to svn repo. out there ? [03:06] bhuvan: i do, what do you need committed? [03:06] ok [03:07] i wish to know the status of particular patch i submitted to mailing list recently. it's for kreleasenotes.xml [03:07] i fixed the validation issue [03:09] looking at it now... [03:10] ok [03:14] bhuvan: committed [03:15] cool, thankx [03:15] np [03:17] mgalvin: can you elaborate "Document no validates" ? 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[01:57] we're discussing edubuntu website, moin, and plans forward. [01:57] i think we need you more than you need us :) [01:57] (so be warned) === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pips1 [n=philipp@223.58.202.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:11] hno73: can i recreate http://gentoo.warthogs.hbd.com:8002/ubuntu/community as a wiki page here: http://69.60.114.106/Community === mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.241] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:11] wow that's a moin wiki???? [02:11] is that what we should do? === mhz [n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:11] hehe [02:12] hno73: what do you need? html 2 moin? [02:12] highvoltage: yes [02:12] mhz: cool, yes [02:12] err how do i move from A to B? [02:12] copy? [02:12] hno73: have you ever tried the script html2moin? [02:13] mhz: this might be the time :) [02:13] hehe, [02:13] ok, [02:13] w8, I'm about to leave for a Edubuntu Class/Demo for Math Teachers :D === mhz getting the script [02:14] ok moving pages [02:16] hno73: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HtmlConverter?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=HTML2MoinMoin.py [02:16] and at that page, also take a look at http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HtmlConverter?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ImportHtml.py [02:16] http://69.60.114.106/developers done [02:17] http://69.60.114.106/Community done [02:17] the syntax for the first is: html2moin http://thepage.html mynewpage.txt [02:17] ok i'll do support [02:18] hno73: if you have any questions, i'll be around until 10 more minutes :D [02:18] srry [02:18] hmm but we won't be able to recreate the plone specific features... [02:18] and me partners [02:20] it's painfully slow :( [02:21] it is [02:21] jsgotangco: I was working on that, but the sudden Plone breakage has brough it up the schedule a bit [02:22] hno73: ok we'll just move content first [02:22] I'll ve trying to get some of those things in place now though, esp. the side menu [02:22] thanks [02:22] morning [02:23] oooh... subpages [02:23] mhz, have you used the script before? [02:23] how do you make a subpage that is not in CamelCase? === pips1 is trying what the most efficient way to help is [02:24] mhz, ? [02:24] pips1: sorry, I was on the phone [02:24] yes, I have used Html2Moin [02:24] mhz: how do you make a subpage by not using CamelCase [02:24] mhz, will it create "subpages"? [02:25] oh, good question. I have never used for subpages creation [02:25] always used it for each page [02:26] I mean, the script is to be used for each page [02:26] :( [02:26] i don't know about the latter script thou [02:26] as I will leave anytime now, what if any of you visit #moin and ask ThomasWaldmann or XorAxAx [02:27] highvoltage: how do you make a subpage? [02:27] or any of the gang guys [02:27] jsgotangco: ThisWikiPage/thissubpage [02:27] mhz: its not camelcase [02:27] well ok [02:28] tried Html2Moin ThisWikiPage/thispage? [02:28] afaik, th scripts should work as long as you specify url pages [02:29] ohhhh [02:29] you mean html INTO wiki Duh!!1 [02:29] btw, hno73 is already in #moin === mhz slaps himself real hard [02:29] jsgotangco: sorry [02:30] no we like it hardcore atm [02:30] pips1: good [02:30] .oO(why is that most of the time hno73 needs help I am on my way out :( ) [02:32] jsgotangco, highvoltage are you copying stuff manually now? [02:32] hno73: any ideas on the table on http://gentoo.warthogs.hbd.com:8002/ubuntu/partners/program? is there a way i can include html in the page? [02:32] pips1: yes. perhaps i should use the script. what's the package name? [02:32] or should i download from source? [02:33] highvoltage: html table should work [02:33] http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HtmlConverter?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=HTML2MoinMoin.py [02:33] highvoltage: visit druidwiki.org url for table sample (Raw View text) [02:33] mhz: and at that page, also take a look at http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HtmlConverter?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ImportHtml.py [02:34] tecnocimiento.cl also uses html table at front page === Mez [n=Mez@66.103.220.193] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:37] hi all, hno73 [02:38] morning mdke [02:38] mdke: can you see we are having fun ? :) [02:39] yeah i bet [02:39] get my email? [02:39] anyone care to take the partnership page? i think i'm just messing up with the table. [02:40] im doing the support atm [02:40] mdke: just now. looks like we've got lots of hands on deck though :) [02:40] hno73, looks like it's well under control :) [02:40] yeah [02:40] lemme know later how it's going! i'll get home around 7ish [02:42] what's the usage on HTML2MoinMoin? it just shows me some tags from the html file and file not found [02:42] highvoltage, don't know... :-( [02:44] highvoltage, I think the usage might be in the log of #ubuntu-meeting... [02:44] mhz_gettin_ready, ping! [02:44] pong === mhz_gettin_ready tiding shoes :D [02:44] highvoltage was asking how to use your script [02:45] highvoltage: what's the usage on HTML2MoinMoin? it just shows me some tags from the html file and file not found [02:45] hmm, ok, i give it a try now... [02:45] pips1: which url? [02:45] (not the script url) [02:45] :D [02:46] mhz_gettin_ready, ask highvoltage, I don't know which page he is working on [02:47] ok [02:47] highvoltage: which url d'u need help on? [02:47] how do you make a TOC? [02:49] [[TableOfContents(n)] ] [02:49] where n is a number of the maximum level [02:49] ahh === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:50] for all levels, () [02:51] mhz_gettin_ready: http://gentoo.warthogs.hbd.com:8002/ubuntu/partners/program [02:51] brb. other emergencies calling... === kadissie [n=robert@pyro.physics.ox.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:03] mdke: and you can also ommit (n) === mhz_gettin_ready checking ....program [03:11] pips1: sorry! [03:11] Html2Moin url sucked [03:11] i can second that :) [03:12] this should be using http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ActionMarket?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=HTML2MoinMoin.py [03:12] i need to go now, be joining again when i get home, cheers! [03:12] that code shown should have been what we download :) [03:12] that is a real .py code === mhz_gettin_ready is copying it to a plain text file instead of downloading [03:15] and of course, add 2.4 instead of 2 to the 1st line :) [03:16] mhz_gettin_ready, so you call that script from the command line? [03:17] yes, as in ./Html2Moin http://...stuff text.txt [03:18] if you use the py not the html coded download crap [03:18] :D [03:18] .oO(no wonder why jerome and highvoltage complained) [03:18] sorry [03:20] pips1: ie. mhz@b2175:~/OtherPeoplesFiles/xBuntu $ ./HTML2MoinMoin.py http://gentoo.warthogs.hbd.com:8002/ubuntu/partners/program ubuntu_program.txt [03:20] worked nicely for me [03:20] no errors [03:21] just a little manual editing to check moin syntax is ok [03:24] pips1: oh, to make it work, probably first apt-get install python-dev [03:29] mhz_gettin_ready, well, it works without python-dev, but the output is a bit strange... [03:29] um, it looks like Znarl is getting the Plone site to work again [03:30] hno73, that would be good news! [03:30] The extra trffic on the wiki server was causing real pain for the main wiki as well [03:30] yeah, so were going to switch back to plone [03:30] ? [03:30] Looks like the crisis may be over (well, let's see) === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.138.168.152] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:31] But I still want to move the site to moin very soon [03:31] so no need to convert html to moin now? [03:31] because the plone site is still very fragile [03:32] the sooner we can get the site ready and working the soner we can actually move [03:32] i got to move some pages from support [03:32] so it's not a wasted effort, just slightly less urgent [03:32] but there are a lot of subpages involved [03:32] right [03:33] mhz_gettin_ready, I was able to use that script [03:33] i.e. I tried it [03:33] any errors? [03:33] no [03:33] i am getting errors [03:33] Traceback (most recent call last): [03:33] File "./HTML2MoinMoin.py", line 153, in ? [03:33] main() [03:33] File "./HTML2MoinMoin.py", line 145, in main [03:33] htmldata = urllib.urlopen(sys.argv[1] ).read() [03:33] File "/usr/lib/python2.4/urllib.py", line 77, in urlopen [03:34] return opener.open(url) [03:34] File "/usr/lib/python2.4/urllib.py", line 185, in open [03:34] return getattr(self, name)(url) [03:34] File "/usr/lib/python2.4/urllib.py", line 308, in open_http [03:34] h.endheaders() [03:34] File "/usr/lib/python2.4/httplib.py", line 795, in endheaders [03:34] self._send_output() [03:34] File "/usr/lib/python2.4/httplib.py", line 676, in _send_output [03:34] self.send(msg) [03:34] File "/usr/lib/python2.4/httplib.py", line 643, in send [03:34] self.connect() [03:34] File "/usr/lib/python2.4/httplib.py", line 627, in connect [03:34] raise socket.error, msg [03:34] IOError: [Errno socket error] (111, 'Connection refused') [03:34] connection refused? why? i dont' get it [03:34] mhz, flood, seriously :| [03:35] ok, never again [03:35] Kamping_Kaiser: I already slapped myself [03:35] mhz_gettin_ready, it works for me [03:35] ok [03:35] good then [03:35] mhz_gettin_ready: just ignore me, I'm just in a mood ;) [03:35] no, I can't ignore you [03:35] the srver was taken dow, but is now back up [03:35] however, the links are all from the temp server, e.g. http://gentoo.warthogs.hbd.com:8002/ubuntu/community [03:35] :) [03:36] and http://gentoo.warthogs.hbd.com:8002/ubuntu/partners/program/ actually looks normal now [03:36] ... so those will all need manual editing ? :-/ [03:36] seem so [03:36] so, just waiting for https://www.ubuntu.com/ to come back [03:39] bbl === Burgundavia [n=corey@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:52] oops! Wiki: "The authentication database is temporarily unavailable. Anonymous access only." === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.247] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.241] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mez_ [n=Mez@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Belutz [n=Belutz@222.124.54.69] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:58] hno_away: http://www.ubuntulinux.org points to the plone site. [06:01] yes it is more or less working now [06:01] a few dns issues left afaics [06:04] highvoltage: yeah the plone server has recovered, sort of [06:04] thanks to everyone who helped out [06:05] I still want to proceed with the plone -> moin migration though [06:05] just at a slightly less frantic pace === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:33] mdke, how do I recover a deleted page? === paulproteus [n=paulprot@pool-151-196-244-173.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:35] Riddell from #kubuntu says http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18803 says this is a Doc Team bug. [06:35] It's really a pain to have all my users say, "What's this weird error when I open Firefox? Does it mean Firefox won't work?". [06:36] Never mind; Riddell tells me it is his responsibility to fix it, just that you guys broke it. :) === hno73 [n=Henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [06:44] Burgundavia, go to it, then click "information" and revert the deletion [06:45] paulproteus, i'm afraid we didn't package kubuntu-docs [06:46] mdke, can you revert this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeamTemplate [06:47] Burgundavia, no [06:47] it doesn't exist [06:48] dammit [06:48] someone just deleted it [06:48] that's not possible... [06:48] if it had been deleted, it would be there! [06:48] maybe it has been moved [06:48] could it be this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Template [06:50] luckily there is an old version available at that page [06:51] oh hang on [06:51] i see it [06:51] gah [06:51] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeamTemplate?action=info [06:52] whatever, I recreated is a redirect [06:52] I need to update the template anyway [06:54] weird that it lost its revision history on deletion [06:54] that shouldn't happen [06:54] yes [06:54] we need to turn off deletion [06:55] grr [06:55] I would support turning off deletion completely until we sort out the issues [06:55] yes, we could set up a deletion request page [06:55] deletion can be turned off and only enabled for certain users [06:55] like on the Italian wiki :) [06:58] Burgundavia, so how did BetterWikiDocs go down? [06:58] we didn't end up talking about it [06:59] I hope to push it onto the agenda, but I am not hopeful [06:59] ah fair enough [07:01] time to go home [07:01] see ya later [07:01] night [07:13] i'm working on bug#18803 (http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18803) and is there something different between the package ubuntu-docs and kubuntu-docs that would cause the problem to happen [07:17] kubuntu-docs is probably shipping a about-kubuntu and ff is looking for about ubuntu [07:18] hmm kubuntu-docs does create the whole folder ubuntu-artwork === mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.241] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pips1 [n=philipp@223.58.202.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:30] jjesse, the ubuntu-artwork index.html in the ubuntu-docs package is a symlink to the index.html provided by ubuntu-docs iirc, perhaps kubuntu-docs is disturbing that === mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.241] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:32] mdke: ok... so how would i fix it? [08:32] i don't know [08:32] Riddell did the package so he will be able to fix it i'm sure [08:33] or did someone else do it? === Mez [n=Mez@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:38] jjesse: dpkg-divert [08:39] jjesse: I'm the reporter of that bug. [08:39] paulproteus: i saw that from the addition to the bug [08:39] Cool. :) [08:40] paulproteus: if i'm slow to respond its cause i'm at work :) === Burgundavia [n=corey@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:46] jjesse: The difference is that kubuntu-docs is doing dpkg-divert to move index.html away. [08:47] paulproteus: i don't know enough about packaging to help fix the problem [08:47] jjesse, why did you get the job of fixing it? [08:48] jjesse: Let me see if I can make this cleaer. [08:48] mdke: i just started to look into it === paulproteus apt-gets source kubuntu-docs [08:48] mdke: and i think i got assigned it ? [08:48] ok [08:48] I assigned it to Riddell. [08:48] i bet riddell could fix it in 10 seconds [08:48] i pinged riddell on #kubuntu-devel [08:49] good plan [08:49] firefox has required that file since warty [08:49] ./debian/preinst: dpkg-divert --package kubuntu-docs --add --rename --divert /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index-ubuntu.html /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html [08:49] That's in the package. [08:49] And it shouldn't be. [08:49] Removing that line from preinst solves this problem. [08:50] it is probably intended to move away about ubuntu and fails to replace it with about kubuntu? [08:50] mdke: Probably. [08:50] mdke: My hope is for a fix to get into breezy-updates. [08:51] paulproteus and mdke its over my head sorry :) [08:51] paulproteus, i have no doubt that will happen :) [08:51] mdke: Thank heavens. :) [08:51] but Riddell will need to fix it [08:51] no one here knows the kubuntu-docs package except for him [08:51] mdke: Heh, okay. [08:52] paulproteus: did you add what you wrote here into the bug? Mez on #kubuntu-devel is looking into it [08:53] jjesse: I'm about to. [08:53] awesome [08:53] don't forget that /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html is a symlink in ubuntu-docs [08:53] iirc [08:53] mdke: you are correct [08:59] mdke: Even if you're right, I don't see how it's really relevant. [09:00] just in case it was relevant [09:00] mdke: Okay :) [09:00] otherwise, there would be no reason for Riddell to blame us :) [09:00] so perhaps it is related === mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.241] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ looks [10:03] rob^: It would indeed rock if someone fixed that bug. :) [10:05] I'm confused...who is gabe? (from that email on the mailing list) [10:06] robitaille, looks like spam [10:06] no? [10:10] yeah...that was I thought so. === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-doc