[12:25] <hub> I just create the MOTUPhoto in wiki and its team in Launchpad
[12:37] <magnon> oh! I'm in!
[12:37] <magnon> dude
[12:38] <magnon> hub
[12:38] <magnon> you called it MOTOPhoto ;)
[12:38] <ajmitch> hey magnon
[12:38] <ajmitch> oh?
[12:39] <ajmitch> as  it's meant to eventually be for multiple distros
[12:39] <magnon> hub: I renamed it to MOTUPhoto
[12:41] <Mez> hub - Photo Team ?
[12:41] <mindwarp> anyone used x2x before?
[12:42] <tseng> no, I use synergy
[12:43] <tseng> it works with windows and has a clipboard
[12:45] <mindwarp> yeah I got synergy to work no problem, just can't figure out x2x
[12:45] <tseng> im not sure why you would want to
[12:45] <mindwarp> oh purely out of challenge now
[12:45] <mindwarp> I tried it before synergy
[12:46] <mindwarp> and I dont want it to "defeat" me
[12:46] <tseng> im happy to be defeated
[12:46] <tseng> and laze away with my superior solution
[12:46] <mindwarp> hehe
[12:50] <mindwarp> wowz
[12:50] <mindwarp> err didnt mean the z
[12:50] <mindwarp> but that shared clipboard is amazing
[12:50] <magnon> I have answered hub's creation and made https://launchpad.net/people/proaudio-team ;)
[01:18] <hub> magnon: gah. thanks
[01:18] <hub> for the renaming
[01:18] <hub> I suck at  typing
[01:19] <magnon> hehe
[01:21] <hub> magnon: I have to fix the MOTUTeam page
[01:21] <magnon> MOTUTeams :)
[01:23] <YokoZar> I added 3 packages to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MorgueCandidates that should be removed from Breezy universe.  Is this doable?
[01:32] <LaserJock> YokoZar: I seriously doubt that they would be removed from Breezy, maybe for Dapper but I don't know if MorgueCandidates is really operational
[01:38] <Lathiat> shawarma: yeh
[01:38] <Lathiat> shawarma: give or take
[01:39] <Lathiat> shawarma: if i put the brightness down
[01:39] <Lathiat> shawarma: and the hard drive doesnt spin up too much
[01:39] <Lathiat> shawarma: i got >5 once
[01:50] <YokoZar> LaserJock: Well, winesetuptk in breezy universe actually conflicts with the wine package in breezy universe.  All it's doing is confusing people.
[01:50] <YokoZar> The package serves literally no purpose.
[01:52] <LaserJock> YokoZar: well, I'm not positive but I don't think there is anything that can be done for Breezy. Once it is released it is released unles is is something really critical
[02:43] <farruinn> crimsun: my apologies for the debdiff I gave you on Saturady night. I didn't realize at the time that there would be no updates to breezy. Solfege won't compile in dapper yet because python2.4-gnome2-extras depends on libnautilus-burn3 which doesn't exist yet
[02:44] <farruinn> (actually it's -burn3 that's needed, it currently depends on -burn2)
[02:54] <Kyral> I see another typo has hit the buglist
[02:54] <Kyral> I'll handle it, seems to be my speciality :P
[03:00] <Kyral> hey Mez, for 3658 should I patch Dapper or Breezy?
[03:00] <Mez> latest
[03:00] <Kyral> so see if Sid has it...
[03:01] <Kyral> Yah Dapper has it, same as Sid
[03:03] <Kyral> Actually its fixed in the Dapper version
[03:03] <Kyral> Should I comment and Reject?
[03:07] <Kyral> and Launchpad died again...
[03:07] <Kyral> I dunno, it doesn't like me today
[03:09] <whiprush> Mez: around?
[03:21] <mindwarp> whiprush - i think fridge should be wiki format until the "final edition" which would be posted on ubuntuforums
[03:21] <mindwarp> any good reasons why it isnt?
[03:22] <whiprush> not really
[03:22] <whiprush> I think people putting articles on the wiki and then having the fridge just link to them would be cool though
[03:22] <whiprush> since it'd look pretty similar.
[03:22] <mindwarp> ah there is a good idea
[03:22] <mindwarp> especially since it is already implemented
[03:22] <whiprush> work is being done for more forums/wiki integration though
[03:23] <whiprush> we have a spec on the wiki someplace with the crazy ideas
[03:23] <mindwarp> gotcha
[03:23] <whiprush> just plop some in there if you have any more
[04:14] <crimsun> farruinn: ok, no prob
[04:43] <LaserJock> dang, I can't last more than a couple minutes in #ubuntu
[04:52] <crimsun> in terms of?
[04:54] <LaserJock> crimsun:  I get a headache
[04:55] <crimsun> heh
[04:55] <farruinn> LaserJock: http://www.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/junkmail/despair-linux/debian.jpg
[04:55] <farruinn> LaserJock: /ignore * JOINS QUITS helps
[04:56] <LaserJock> farruinn: does that work on a channel by channel basis?
[04:56] <farruinn> funny, I was just wondering that myself :)
[04:56] <farruinn> I guess you'd have to check your client docs
[04:57] <LaserJock> hola \sh
[05:00] <LaserJock> man, I think it takes a special kind of person to be able to handle all that noise
[05:03] <\sh> LaserJock: evening :)
[05:03] <\sh> LaserJock: and no...we're really not up for noise today
[05:03] <\sh> all tired
[05:03] <LaserJock> how goes UBZ?
[05:04] <\sh> LaserJock: it's great..
[05:05] <\sh> some new crack is being discussed here
[05:05] <\sh> and all the people here, including siretart and I, are working like hell
[05:06] <LaserJock> yeah, sounds like it
[05:06] <magnon> crack? what crack :)
[05:07] <magnon> I've just heard some ssh forwarded devices for sound, and removing all the menus :D
[05:07] <\sh> magnon: NOT CRACK!!! new nifty crack ,)
[05:07] <siretart> polly wanna cracker?
[05:07] <LaserJock> I saw some pics today and read some summaries. I got kinda envious
[05:07] <magnon> give it to jdub
[05:07] <siretart> - CRACK *caugh* POLLY WANT CRACK!! *caugh*
[05:08] <siretart> magnon: are you aware about this jack transition in debian?
[05:08] <magnon> nope
[05:08] <magnon> what's their crack?
[05:09] <magnon> I never touched upon debian for these things, I just read debian-legal for fun sometimes :-P
[05:10] <siretart> hehe
[05:10] <siretart> magnon: well, as far as I understood it, they changed soname, so everything depending on it needs to be recompiled
[05:10] <siretart> but there may be more issues
[05:12] <magnon> aha
[05:12] <magnon> well, does that bother me? :)
[05:12] <siretart> magnon: perhaps you should ask pitti, see also his comment on this bug: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12212
[05:12] <siretart> perhaps, I'm not sure. would need to take a closer look
[05:13] <magnon> silly debian dependency :P
[05:13] <magnon> I'll talk to him tomorrow
[05:13] <magnon> and look at jack itself, most of all
[05:14] <magnon> the good thing though, is that this bug is the only one filed against jack ;)
[05:15] <crimsun> heh. Just wait til you see everything that build-deps on libjack0.80.0-dev
[05:15] <crimsun> trust me, we'll need to have a JACK mini-transition
[05:15] <magnon> sounds like fun
[05:15] <crimsun> and we'll need to wait for a main uploader, probably Martin, to perform the merge>upload
[05:16] <magnon> I'm also seeing that gst-jack is pending removal
[05:16] <magnon> that shouldn't happen
[05:16] <crimsun> it should be removed
[05:16] <crimsun> upstream is completely reworking JACK support afaik
[05:16] <magnon> hm, ok
[05:16] <magnon> in that case, sure
[05:16] <\sh> crimsun: siretart can prepare now the main upload ,-)
[05:17] <crimsun> JACK support in 0.6 and 0.8 is cracked
[05:17] <magnon> I know
[05:17] <crimsun> \sh: oh, excellent!
[05:17] <crimsun> I joined -meeting too late to be able to see, but congrats, siretart :-)
[05:17] <magnon> I remember just using alsasink/dmix and never caring
[05:17] <\sh> ajmitch: u get your key stuff sorted out..please talk to magnon about the right utilities etc. to prepare a good keysigning party :)
[05:18] <ajmitch> \sh: you assume I know anything about keysigning & how to run it
[05:19] <\sh> ajmitch: well...actually i thought so :)
[05:19] <\sh> ajmitch: because i'm the guy which is using gpg cli
[05:19] <crimsun> heh, I'm organizing the one in two weeks when jdub visits
[05:22] <ajmitch> \sh: I just saw that the script I was trying to use earlier needs fixed to set the right secret key
[05:22] <magnon> hey hub
[05:23] <hub> hi
[05:23] <magnon> any nice pictures from my camera? :p
[05:23] <hub> I have to process them
[05:24] <hub> but I'm tempted to say that they are better than mine
[05:24] <hub> I really need to get a 50mm f1.4
[05:24] <LaserJock> ajmitch: have you seen signing-party ?
[05:24] <hub> btw, what were the settings?
[05:24] <hub> and I DHL tried to deliver my Nokia
[05:25] <hub> :-(((((
[05:25] <ajmitch> LaserJock: hmm?
[05:25] <magnon> the settings? 1/90 and f/2.8 I think
[05:26] <magnon> ISO1600
[05:26] <LaserJock> ajmitch: for key signing parties
[05:26] <hub> magnon: sounds the usual
[05:26] <hub> magnon: most were at 1/60 f2
[05:26] <hub> magnon: you were set a f2 and I switched to manual
[05:27] <ajmitch> LaserJock: possibly...
[05:27] <hub> magnon: definitely the viewfinder is nice
[05:27] <magnon> it says in the metadata if you use exiftool
[05:27] <magnon> hub: oh, ok, I thought it was 1/90 but I remembered 1/60, but it's crack to use 1/60 with a 50mm ;)
[05:27] <magnon> the viewfinder is very nice, yes :)
[05:27] <hub> yep I shoud try to use my own packages :-)
[05:28] <hub> ExifTool still hasn't been uploaded :-/
[05:28] <hub> holy fsck
[05:28] <magnon> I should have to package some nef utilities
[05:28] <hub> magnon: I have some in the pipe
[05:28] <magnon> I think siretart has a bit much to do to upload packages :)
[05:28] <siretart> thanks crimsun
[05:28] <ajmitch> hub: this is why we are rewriting revu - so that we can manage this more easily :)
[05:30] <hub> ajmitch: make sense :-)
[05:31] <siretart> there is the cabot package that could be useful
[05:31] <hub> ajmitch: or gimme the upload privileges now that a/ GPG key is signed b/ I signed the code of conduct :-)
[05:31] <magnon> hub: you'd have to be approved as MOTU though
[05:31] <magnon> which has to be done by... who again?
[05:31] <ajmitch> hub: haha
[05:31] <ajmitch> tech board :)
[05:31] <magnon> tech board. right
[05:32] <ajmitch> first you become a member at the CC meeting
[05:32] <hub> I'm not AFAIK
[05:32] <ajmitch> hub: none of us here can give upload privilges
[05:32] <Sepheebear> hey anybody up for answering a python packaging question?
[05:33] <ajmitch> \sh: signed keys should be in your mailbox - you should decrypt & import each
[05:33] <ajmitch> night \sh_away
[05:33] <magnon> night \sh
[05:33] <ajmitch> hub: I should be able to do yours as well now
[05:33] <siretart> gn8
[05:33] <Sepheebear> im working with a package "pympd": http://pympd.sourceforge.de
[05:34] <ajmitch> siretart: and I found your fingerprint also
[05:35] <siretart> ajmitch: great. I'll sign your key tomorrow, need some sleep now
[05:35] <Sepheebear> the package installs icon.png and glade files inside /usr/lib instead of /usr/share
[05:35] <Sepheebear> how can i work around that to make the package lintian clean?
[05:39] <LaserJock> siretart: is there a plan for REVU2 for a version column perhaps?
[05:41] <hub> ajmitch: it is fine. I'll do what is needed to be accepted. these are the rules :-)
[05:42] <ajmitch> hub: hopefully if you check your inbox you'll have encrypted messages from me.. decrypt & import to get your signed keys
[05:45] <hub> ajmitch: seen it
[05:45] <hub> done
[05:46] <hub> about to send the key
[05:47] <ajmitch> ok
[05:53] <LaserJock> I am interested in having a MOTUScience team? Is there any interest?
[05:54] <minghua> LaserJock: I'm interested, but I doubt I can contribute much
[05:56] <LaserJock> Is it necessary to get a MOTU on board to form a team? Seems like it would
[05:56] <hub> ajmitch: btw, what script do you use to send signed keys?
[05:56] <minghua> I believe so
[05:57] <magnon> LaserJock: No
[05:57] <magnon> LaserJock: Both me and hub created teams today :P
[05:58] <magnon> it's just that you won't have pakcages in automatically
[05:58] <ajmitch> hub: one from pitti, he provided it at UDU iirc
[05:58] <ajmitch> did it send the right key? :)
[05:59] <LaserJock> magnon: how did you do it?
[05:59] <magnon> LaserJock: launchpad, create team, made a wikipage
[05:59] <hub> ajmitch: yeah it did.
[05:59] <hub> ajmitch: I was not at UDU
[06:00] <hub> ajmitch: perhaps one should package this script
[06:00] <ajmitch> it used to be on the wiki, will hopefully put it up somewhere tomorrow
[06:08] <hub> magnon: btw, what is that metering mode you use by default on the Nikon
[06:09] <crimsun> Sepheebear: mv them in debian/rules before the deb is built
[06:10] <hub> Kyral: yes
[06:10] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I saw your earlier comments about generic naming of teams? Could you elaborate a little bit on that?
[06:10] <hub> Kyral: that would be interesting anyway
[06:10] <Kyral> At my school :D
[06:10] <Sepheebear> let me know if you do Kyral, I could use it
[06:10] <hub> Kyral: still
[06:10] <Kyral> Yah I know
[06:10] <Kyral> I just need like time
[06:11] <Kyral> We ARE doing a quasi-installfest thing this weekend though :D
[06:11] <Sepheebear> crimsun: the app breaks if i move them
[06:13] <LaserJock> I found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GPGKey useful when I was trying to get my key signed
[06:13] <crimsun> Sepheebear: the source needs to be patched
[06:13] <Kyral> Yah I have my signed
[06:15] <hub> LaserJock: yeah. read that
[06:16] <Sepheebear> another thing, moving them before the deb is built means adding the mv lines to install: or binary: ?
[06:23] <LaserJock> ajmitch: ping?
[06:24] <Kyral> Dapper is fun :D
[06:24] <hub> yep
[06:25] <hub> and I'll get the debian resync
[06:25] <hub> so I can try to have fun with ufraw
[06:28] <schweeb> lol, nice how that gnusolaris thing spammed the ubuntu-devel list with their announcement
[06:36] <LaserJock> minghua: still around?
[06:41] <tritium> jbailey, I saw you're assigned a bug for the gnome clock applet.  Is it possible to configure it to show the first day of the week as Sunday?
[06:45] <zakame> hi all
[07:02] <LaserJock> if anybody is interested I just made a MOTUScience team on launchapd (https://launchpad.net/people/motuscience/)
[07:05] <tritium> right on, LaserJock :)
[07:05] <zakame> w00t!
[07:11] <zakame> hmmm, does an upstream version be numbers only, or can letters be included, like 1.4.0.b9?  I'm asking because libmemcache has that particular version...
[07:14] <LaserJock> zakame: is that in Debian?
[07:14] <crimsun> upstream is generally everything in front of the first hyphen
[07:15] <zakame> LaserJock: nope, new package in progress
[07:16] <zakame> yes, generally...
[07:16] <zakame> ... I was doing a debuild of libmemcache, it fails to generate a .diff.gz, even if the .tar.gz's already in ../
[07:16] <zakame> AH! WAIT
[07:17] <zakame> it should be .orig.tar.gz...
[07:17] <crimsun> precisely
[07:17] <crimsun> package_upstreamVersion.orig.tar.gz
[07:18] <zakame> yeah... I had to repackage the source, it originally was a .tar.bz2
[07:19] <zakame> ah, heaven, a .diff.gz generated :) thanks guys :D
[07:29] <zakame> can't I use a orig.tar.bz2 upon package build?
[08:06] <pef> hello
[08:07] <LaserJock> hi
[08:22] <LaserJock> welcome back minghua
[08:22] <minghua> LaserJock: Hi I'm back
[08:22] <minghua> :-)
[08:24] <LaserJock> minghua: so are you in a science field?
[08:25] <minghua> LaserJock: yes, I'm a graduate student major in materials science
[08:25] <LaserJock> master or phd?
[08:26] <minghua> phd
[08:27] <LaserJock> sweet, I am 4th year physical chemistry grad student
[08:29] <minghua> cool.
[08:30] <minghua> LaserJock: so you want to organize a MOTUscience, are you subscribed to debian-science mailing list now?
[08:30] <LaserJock> yes
[08:30] <minghua> what are you planning to do with this MOTU?
[08:31] <minghua> the science-related packages are just too diverse, from what I see
[08:31] <LaserJock> well, I think that we need so science advacacy within MOTU and perhaps get some new packages built for ubuntu.
[08:31] <minghua> for example, I don't use KDE, so a lot of plotting tools they discussed are new to me, and I don't know R at all
[08:32] <minghua> LaserJock: that's always a good thing, sure
[08:32] <LaserJock> well, I don't know that we have to "use" every tool just keep an eye on things and do the best we can
[08:32] <minghua> and I think altough I can't do much packaging work, porting is relatively easy
[08:33] <minghua> and maybe a FAQ/Howto to tell people "you can get these science related packages in ubuntu"
[08:33] <LaserJock> there is some discussion on http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29919 about people wanting to get newer packages out
[08:33] <minghua> I think debian-science people would like to see such a thing as well
[08:34] <LaserJock> I think it would be good to let people put their time where their mouth ;-)
[08:34] <LaserJock> +is
[08:35] <minghua> yeah, good point
[08:35] <LaserJock> I think it is harder in Debian because I get the feeling they want Maintainers whereas Ubuntu wants Contributors
[08:35] <LaserJock> that is my feeling anyway
[08:36] <LaserJock> if REVU2 takes off then it will be fairly simple for people to contribute
[08:36] <minghua> sometimes people talks too much.  <rant>this also happens for chinese localization</rant>
[08:36] <minghua> yes, I feel ubuntu is more open to contributors as well
[08:37] <minghua> and that's a major point that attracts me
[08:37] <LaserJock> well, I do think it is hard when people aren't given much of a chance to help
[08:38] <minghua> yes, but someone have to step up to do the organization work
[08:38] <LaserJock> yeah ;-)
[08:39] <LaserJock> well, I am trying to also work on some better MOTU wiki documentation so people might have a better chance at learning to package and contribute
[08:41] <LaserJock> for me as long as I am given some documentation, I can do OK. I just need some organization.
[08:41] <rob^> LaserJock, we (the docteam) are looking at including that in our svn repo
[08:41] <rob^> its going to be spec'ed soon I beleave
[08:42] <LaserJock> rob^: including developer how-tos and stuff?
[08:43] <rob^> at least a guide to motu
[08:43] <rob^> most likly derived from the wiki one
[08:44] <LaserJock> cool, I have a wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/DocTodo going for cleaning and revamping the MOTU wiki
[08:44] <rob^> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-packaging-guide
[08:45] <rob^> I've been lead to beleave it will have a motu focus
[08:47] <LaserJock> that would make sense. I have seen it tossed around but haven't seen much work being done. Maybe I just haven't seen it. I wasn't sure if anything was going to come of it.
[08:48] <minghua> rob^: I agree, I think most new ubuntu contributors would start from MOTU first
[08:48] <minghua> such a guide would be very helpful
[08:53] <LaserJock> rob^: I will keep and eye on that
[08:53] <LaserJock> I gotta go to bed right now
[08:53] <minghua> good night LaserJock
[08:53] <LaserJock> minghua: do you have a launchpad account?
[08:54] <minghua> LaserJock: yes, minghua@lauchpad as well
[08:54] <LaserJock> you can go to https://launchpad.net/people/motuscience and join the team there
[08:55] <minghua> LaserJock: will do
[08:55] <LaserJock> good night
[09:02] <crimsun> you should con laserjock into making a metapackage for it
[09:03] <crimsun> may also wish to check with edubuntu to see if they're planning to support higher ed
[09:03] <crimsun> I suspect they're not related, but it doesn't hurt to ask
[09:03] <minghua> crimsun: I suppose edubuntu is for, like, under 12?
[09:04] <crimsun> elementary and middle schools is my impression
[09:04] <crimsun> various US universities have loosely collected portions of scientific software
[09:05] <crimsun> "Science" might be better as an entry for more precise packages
[09:06] <minghua> I agree it won't hurt to ask, but I am afraid the goal is too different
[09:41] <_Tonio_> morning
[10:24] <keyes> hello
[10:24] <keyes> siretart:  are you here?
[10:38] <crimsun> he may be waking up soon
[10:38] <crimsun> I think he's at UBZ, though
[10:51] <nailbiter> Hi there. :) I'm a Debian defector who would like to put some work into a couple of Ubuntu packages (and hopefully qualify for mentorship); is there some Wiki page where this is all coordinated?
[10:52] <Lathiat> heh debian defector
[10:53] <Lathiat> nailbiter: we dont have "mentorship" as such
[10:53] <minghua> nailbiter: I believe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU is a good start
[10:53] <Lathiat> its more a whole community guided sorta thing
[10:53] <Lathiat> and yeh what minghua said
[10:53] <minghua> REVU is probably the closest to mentorship
[10:55] <nailbiter> Ok, thanks. I'll read up. :)
[11:01] <mitsuhiko> does anyone know if ubuntu.com is down?
[11:02] <nailbiter> Seems to be up
[12:13] <siretart> morning folks!
[12:22] <slomo> hi siretart
[12:22] <dholbach> hi slomo, siretart
[12:23] <slomo> hi dholbach :)
[12:23] <slomo> siretart: i'll send a mail about the ffmpeg stuff to -devel later today or tomorrow morning... you remember it?
[12:36] <siretart> slomo: I very well remember it
[12:37] <siretart> slomo: I assume you mainly ask for status update about the ffmpeg issue, right?
[12:37] <slomo> siretart: crimsun wanted to help me with it, moving vlc to multiverse etc
[12:38] <slomo> siretart: nope... i want to get some attention to that issue to get it done now ;) mailing elmo about it doesn't work...
[12:38] <siretart> right now, no
[12:38] <slomo> siretart: he probably wants to see comments by other people about it
[12:38] <siretart> thats an very good idea
[12:39] <siretart> okay, I'll wait for your email, and perhaps bug mdz in person about that
[12:39] <slomo> ok, thanks :)
[12:42] <slomo> bah... i need coffee :(
[12:44] <sistpoty> hi folks
[12:44] <siretart> huhu sistpoty
[12:44] <sistpoty> huhu siretart
[12:45] <\sh> moins sistpoty
[12:45] <sistpoty> hi \sh
[12:45] <sistpoty> what time is it in montreal?
[12:45] <siretart> 06:44
[12:45] <\sh> 6:45am
[12:45] <siretart> ;)
[12:45] <sistpoty> phew, you're up early ;)
[12:45] <siretart> we just got up
[12:45] <sistpoty> hehe
[12:45] <\sh> time for breakfast...when siretart hurries up and have a shower :)
[12:46] <siretart> sistpoty: because we need to be at 9am sharp in the meeting room
[12:46] <sistpoty> wow
[12:46] <siretart> jdub said that it was sharp as in 'bleeding edge' sharp ;)
[12:46] <sistpoty> hehe
[12:46] <slomo> hi sistpoty
[12:47] <sistpoty> hi slomo
[12:47] <siretart> sistpoty: yes, I thing the spec is about to be approved, needs some more cleeanups
[12:47] <sistpoty> yep
[12:48] <sistpoty> btw.: great work you've done so far ;)
[12:48] <siretart> sistpoty: I discussed with daniel silverstone about revu3, that one will be dapper+1 and completly integrated into launchpad
[12:48] <sistpoty> r0cks!
[12:49] <siretart> for revu2, we 'just' use authentication stuff from lp
[12:49] <sistpoty> sounds really good so far... and I won't have to worry about user management pages :)
[12:49] <siretart> perhaps we'll get another name, but that anyway, we need to keep the code clean, so integration is possible
[12:50] <sistpoty> keeping the code clean is always a good idea :)
[12:51] <siretart> hehe
[12:52] <sistpoty> btw.: you could include some diagrams from revu2 in the spec (or link to them)
[12:52] <TMM> owww, revu2? we are going to get new and shiny stuff? :)
[12:52] <sistpoty> TMM: yes :)
[12:53] <sistpoty> TMM: but imo will still take some time until it's ready
[12:53] <TMM> neat
[12:53] <TMM> I like new and shiny
[12:54] <sistpoty> TMM: http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/revu2/trunk/ <- actually nothing is working yet, but just to get the idea of "shiny" ;)
[12:54] <siretart> sistpoty: yes, together with some proposed scetches about the ui
[12:55] <siretart> I think I'll have a bit time today for writing more about implementation details, I wanted the design approved first
[12:55] <sistpoty> siretart: cool :)
[12:55] <siretart> but I think its mostly okay
[12:55] <sistpoty> :)
[12:55] <siretart> okay, shower now, cu later
[12:55] <sistpoty> cya later... hf ;)
[12:55] <TMM> sistpoty, if it will be easier to find your own uploads, and get mail notifications for new comments, I will be a happier man :)
[12:56] <sistpoty> TMM: it will... siretart has been busy with the spec on the wiki - REVU2Spec
[12:56] <\sh> TMM: revu2 is a step forward to revu3 which could be (and should be) included into launchpad
[12:56] <TMM> \sh, cool
[12:57] <TMM> sistpoty, I'll have a look, perhaps I have a couple of cents to donate there :)
[12:57] <\sh> we had some nice chats with kinnison about this
[12:57] <\sh> and today, the keynote will us explain Soyuz
[12:57] <sistpoty> what is Soyuz?
[12:58] <\sh> wait a moment...
[12:58] <\sh> trying to find the spec or doc to it
[01:00] <\sh> https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/SoyuzSpecification
[01:00] <sistpoty> thx
[01:01] <slomo> ok, i need to go ;) the next lecture starts... bye bye :)
[01:01] <\sh> sistpoty: but the most interesting part of launchpad is malone
[01:01] <\sh> sistpoty: and u want to read this : https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/MaloneEmailInterfaceUserDoc
[01:10] <sistpoty> cya
[01:10] <\sh> jo...breakfast time now
[01:10] <\sh> laters
[01:22] <TMM> yeah
[01:22] <TMM> my xen tool stuff is almost done :)
[01:23] <TMM> http://braam.sytes.net/~hp/xen/xen-suse10.png http://braam.sytes.net/~hp/xen/xen-ubuntu.png
[01:23] <TMM> :)
[01:35] <schweeb> TMM: cool.  I'm about to make a Xen server myself... buying some nice new hardware within the week
[01:36] <TMM> schweeb, http://braam.sytes.net/~hp/xen/Xen-Ubuntu-QND-HOWTO.txt
[01:36] <TMM> :)
[01:36] <schweeb> yea, looking at that now
[01:37] <dholbach> hey schweeb
[01:37] <schweeb> I've done it before (and I've done UML before) but a quick howto is always helpful, heh
[01:37] <schweeb> what up dholbach
[01:37] <TMM> schweeb, that should get you going
[01:37] <dholbach> schweeb: preparing some BOF stuff :)
[01:37] <schweeb> almost time for my morning meeting for ze germans :(
[01:38] <TMM> once this is done, I'm going to upload a bunch of debian packages to revu, then get shot down probably, then retry, get shot down again, untill it is in ;)
[01:38] <schweeb> TMM: the utils you won't have a problem with, it's the kernel
[01:38] <TMM> well, it is ubuntu patches + xen patches, I was very careful
[01:38] <schweeb> you're going to keep getting shot down until they come up with a better release cycle, or until Xen is in the main kernel
[01:38] <schweeb> the problem is
[01:39] <schweeb> you're going to have to deal w/ the fact that the security team isn't responsible for maintaining it
[01:39] <TMM> it should be acceptable, all the hard work for merging ubuntu patches with xen patches is done
[01:39] <TMM> I'm going to have to maintain it anyway
[01:39] <schweeb> right... but they'll probably only allow it in source form
[01:39] <TMM> that is fine
[01:39] <schweeb> or maybe even only patch form
[01:39] <TMM> that is fine too
[01:40] <schweeb> well, at least you've got the time and dedication then
[01:41] <schweeb> I'm not much of a devel, so I stay out of that crap... I just package
[01:41] <schweeb> dholbach: which BOF?
[01:42] <dholbach> power management configuration, bugs best practices, test plans, inclusion of docs, some a11y related ones, ...
[01:44] <schweeb> speaking of power mgmt, breezy rocks.... never thought I'd have suspend on this IBM/Lenovo X41
[01:45] <Kyral> Mornin'
[01:45] <TMM> I'm getting paid to do this, so, I don't mind too much, I would like to see it in ubuntu, get other people to enjoy my work :)
[01:45] <schweeb> TMM: ahhh, nice
[01:45] <zakame> hi all
[01:45] <schweeb> Xen is just kind of a hobby for me
[01:45] <Kyral> Xen? Hmm?
[01:46] <schweeb> as is UML
[01:46] <schweeb> I'd like to get my hands on an LPAR at work one of these days
[01:46] <TMM> xen totally blows uml away
[01:47] <schweeb> oh, no kidding
[01:47] <TMM> and, for linux guests it blows vmware away too :)
[01:47] <Kyral> TMM: Some of the guys at my collge work a lot with Xen
[01:47] <schweeb> but just patching a kernel with SKAS is a little less intrusive than Xen
[01:47] <schweeb> and when you have no physical or console access  to your server, you kinda take that route
[01:47] <TMM> I wouldn't know about intrusive :) xen patches god fuck all, and so do the ubuntu patches
[01:48] <TMM> was very nice work to merge the two
[01:48] <schweeb> speaking of that
[01:48] <schweeb> I fucked up my server again, because I managed to forget a "&& sleep 90 && reboot"
[01:48] <TMM> especially the irq routing patches for i386 where 'challenging'
[01:49] <schweeb> it's just stuck there with a bridged network that doesn't work to the outside world
[01:49] <TMM> that is cool speak for 'totally sucked'
[01:51] <schweeb> TMM: how does your employer use Xen? just curious
[01:51] <TMM> as a vmware alternative
[01:51] <TMM> 'we' are a service provider, and we get more and more inquiries about linux, so, they hired me to do the rnd on products and alternatives for existing solutions
[01:51] <TMM> one of which is vmware
[01:52] <Kyral> Xen rules
[01:52] <Kyral> I'm gonna "Xenify" my box ;P
[01:52] <TMM> and, to be able to sell it more easily, I figured there needed to be a gui config thingy
[01:52] <nailbiter> vserver might be a more efficient alternative for virtual hosting arrangements
[01:52] <TMM> so, here it is, almost
[01:53] <Kyral> main Ubuntu system on Domain 0, then run a webserver offa Domain 1
[01:53] <TMM> nailbiter, with vserver solutions you can not migrate a service to another server that is less busy
[01:53] <nailbiter> TMM: That's true
[01:53] <schweeb> vserver isn't a complete virtualized solution though, afaik
[01:53] <TMM> nailbiter, I'm also making a xen managemnt daemon that will keep an eye on the loads of the different xen machines, and migrate services automagically
[01:54] <schweeb> and Xen has better performance
[01:54] <TMM> schweeb, no, it isn't
[01:54] <TMM> I think people are going to like my 'create domu' druids
[01:55] <nailbiter> schweeb: Well, vserver imposes almost zero overhead
[01:55] <TMM> nailbiter, xen has a worst case overhead of 8% :)
[01:55] <TMM> and a typical overhead of 2%
[01:55] <nailbiter> That's not bad, I guess. :)
[01:56] <TMM> vmware is a lot worse anyway
[01:56] <TMM> and uml is even more terrible
[01:57] <nailbiter> I agree--even with the skas patches, UML performance is still pretty horrible
[01:57] <schweeb> speaking of virtualization
[01:57] <schweeb> I need to be a little less virtual, and a little more physically at work
[01:57] <schweeb> later
[01:58] <nailbiter> Bye. :)
[01:58] <nailbiter> I have to say that Xen's ability to dump and restore state is really funky. :)
[01:59] <schweeb> I haven't been physically at work for a week... <3 telecommunication
[01:59] <TMM> schweeb, with xen you can give a domu access to physical pci devices
[01:59] <schweeb> nailbiter: if by funky you mean totally awesome
[01:59] <schweeb> TMM: so I hear
[01:59] <nailbiter> TMM: That might be an interesting way to reverse-engineer some drivers
[02:00] <TMM> nailbiter, I don't think xen interferes at all, I doubt it is going to help
[02:01] <nailbiter> TMM: It can't snoop on/intercept hardware accesses?
[02:01] <TMM> nailbiter, afaik it just gives a domu access to the pci memory range of the pci card in question, I don't think there is a lot of opportunity to do any snooping
[02:03] <nailbiter> If I can't get my GPG key signed for awhile, should I just submit debdiffs for review instead of uploading to REVU?
[02:06] <dholbach> nailbiter: afaik you don't need it signed, just uploaded to a keyserver
[02:07] <siretart> we don't require signed keys for revu
[02:07] <TMM> the signed part is said to be mandatory, but in practice it'll work with an unsigned one
[02:07] <siretart> but since contributors ry to become motus themself, it is a very good idea to get their key signed ;)
[02:07] <nailbiter> Ah, I see. :) Thanks for that
[02:07] <siretart> boah, this telus network is really oerloaded :/
[02:08] <siretart> typeing is really really laggy over here
[02:10] <zakame> hey ajmitch_
[02:10] <siretart> morning ajmitch_
[02:11] <\sh> moins ajmitch_
[02:11] <ajmitch_> hi
[02:14] <TMM> sarge doesn't like the ubuntu kernel very much :)
[02:15] <jbailey> tritium: First day of week issues are locales issues.  Please file a bug in bugzilla if one doesn't exist already.
[02:58] <K_Dallas> Hi guys! I was told to ask here if there is any plan to release tetex3 for ubuntu anytime soon? thanks
[05:36] <slomo_> ajmitch_: ross accepted my monodoc patch and fixed the python-gdbm stuff... but it will get on dep-wait after syncing because of monodoc 1.1.9 :/
[05:37] <ajmitch_> ok
[05:39] <slomo_> ugly xsp... it's currently holding of everything... daniels was very happy that dbus 0.5 needs monodoc 1.1.9 too ;)
[05:39] <tseng> im sure he was
[05:39] <tseng> how can we get xsp done now
[05:40] <slomo_> moving the source and the mono-xsp-base package to main, everything else to universe will be sufficient...
[05:40] <slomo_> or we could upload a monodoc package with an included dh_installxsp until then
[05:46] <slomo_> ajmitch_: maybe you want to ask mdz directly if he wants to take a look at it or something... i have to do university stuff atm
[05:46] <chillywilly> lalala
[06:18] <Kyral> yo
[06:19] <Kyral> Um...I was looking at the build logs and....dash builds fine in my dapper pbuilder...
[06:24] <Kyral> and the build log for i386 says its failing
[06:50] <Kyral> hey farruinn, bye farruinn ;P
[06:51] <farruinn> hehe, cya
[06:55] <slomo_> hi Kyral, bye farruinn ;
[06:55] <slomo_> ;)
[06:55] <farruinn> did I miss something? am I going somewhere?
[06:58] <slomo_> hehe... probably not ;) i thought Kyral knows more than me... for example that you will leave soon again ;)
[07:53] <Kyral> Whee! 65 on Calc exam!
[07:59] <LaserJock> Kyral: 65 out of what?
[07:59] <Kyral> 100 ;P
[07:59] <Kyral> Wahoo! Clarkson sync'd their mirror to Dapper :D
[07:59] <LaserJock> Kyral: what was the average?
[08:00] <Kyral> 56
[08:00] <LaserJock> cool
[08:00] <LaserJock> My wife is a counselor and she always wondered why I got excited when I got 60's on exams
[08:00] <Kyral> I really wanna know if I should somehow comment that for some reason dash builds in my Dapper PBuilder, though its failing in the buildlogs
[08:01] <LaserJock> Kyral: for the same arch?
[08:01] <Kyral> yah
[08:01] <Kyral> i386
[08:01] <LaserJock> is that from Dapper source?
[08:02] <Kyral> yup
[08:03] <LaserJock> Kyral: I need to make a Dapper pbuilder and then I will try it out
[08:04] <Kyral> I should put a howto on how to make one from a Breezy PBuilder
[08:04] <\sh> Kyral: update PbuilderHowto
[08:04] <Kyral> I will when my homework is done :D
[08:05] <Kyral> \sh, should I comment on Dash somehow? Or how do I make pbuilder generate a .build file?
[08:05] <\sh> Kyral: hum? for what do u need a .build file?
[08:06] <Kyral> I dunno, because on the daily build logs, dash is failing on i386, yet it builds fine in my Dapper PBuilder. I think I should need a .build file to "prove" that it builds ;P
[08:08] <\sh> Kyral: no....check the buildlog of the buildd
[08:08] <Kyral> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/d/dash/0.5.2-8/dash_0.5.2-8_20051102-0010-i386-failed.gz <--This right?
[08:08] <\sh> Kyral: state out the architecture...and ping infinity or lamont (when they have time during their bofs, i think they'll have a look at it)
[08:09] <Kyral> okay
[08:11] <\sh> Kyral: well...the problem is dietlibc-dev, ask infinity or lamont about this issue
[08:11] <Kyral> yah, thats what puzzles me. Its building perfectly fine in my pbuilder....
[08:12] <\sh> Kyral: u build something with your breezy pbuilder? and updated it later on to dapper?
[08:12] <\sh> Kyral: it can be that your package cache for dapper is not correct
[08:12] <Kyral> I made a Dapper Builder from my Breezy one. Then I cleaned it before I did anything
[08:13] <\sh> Kyral: u cleaned as well the installed packages?
[08:13] <Kyral> infact when I updated it had to make a new cache because the cache got wiped out
[08:13] <\sh> Kyral: hmm..try to use update and --override-config .. see what happens
[08:15] <Kyral> the command is different because I still have my Breezy PBuilder so I have to specify which config and tgz to use
[08:15] <Kyral> alias dpbUI='sudo pbuilder update --basetgz /var/cache/pbuilder/dapper-base.tgz --distribution dapper --configfile /etc/dapper-pbuilderrc --override-config'
[08:15] <\sh> Kyral: hmmm...u should have a look on pbuilder-distribution.sh in /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/
[08:16] <\sh> Kyral: make sure, u don't use the same package storage directory
[08:17] <Kyral> I don't I have a separate apt-cache for each one
[08:17] <Kyral> dapper-aptcache and breezy-aptcache
[08:17] <farruinn> Kyral: that method you mentioned, making the dapper pbuilder from the breezy one, isn't that the correct way?
[08:17] <farruinn> because that's what's on the howto
[08:17] <farruinn> it could be clearer though
[08:17] <Kyral> Yha I think so
[08:18] <Kyral> I copied it from there then made changes so I could specify which one I wanted
[08:29] <keyes> hello guy, I want to build a package for you (polymer, a GNOME theme for KDE apps) but the upstream tarball is a .tar.bz2 and dh_make give me this error:
[08:29] <keyes> Source file is a bz2 but bzip2 or gzip not available at /usr/bin/dh_make line 409, <STDIN> line 2.
[08:30] <keyes> Of course bzip2 is installed
[08:30] <keyes> must I uncompress the tarball and compress it with GZIP (works fine)?
[08:32] <farruinn> that's what I would suggest
[08:33] <keyes> fine
[08:44] <LaserJock> hi guys
[08:45] <mindwarp-school> hey whats up
[08:45] <LaserJock> well, I made a MOTUScience team on launchpad
[08:51] <rbelem> LaserJock: is there a MOTUAudio on launchpad?
[08:51] <LaserJock> yeah I think so
[08:51] <slomo_> rbelem: MOTUMedia is...
[08:51] <LaserJock> but I think it is called MOTU Pro Audio
[08:51] <rbelem> cool ;-)
[08:52] <rbelem> slomo_: MOTUMedia is about video too?
[08:52] <slomo_> rbelem: yes, everything multimedia related
[08:53] <rbelem> slomo_: that's pretty cool ;-)
[08:54] <rbelem> slomo_: I uploaded some multimedia related packages to REVU
[08:54] <slomo_> rbelem: send me the urls to slomo@ubuntu.com and i'll take a look tomorrow :)
[08:55] <bmonty_laptop> hi everyone
[08:55] <slomo_> hi bmonty_laptop :)
[08:55] <bmonty_laptop> hi LaserJock
[08:55] <rbelem> hi bmonty_laptop
[08:56] <LaserJock> hi bmonty_laptop, how's it going?
[08:56] <rbelem> slomo_: i have another ones to upload, like cinelerra, jahshaka, gephex
[08:56] <mindwarp-school> rawr
[08:56] <bmonty_laptop> life is good, I playing with my 4 day old and messing around on the computer :)
[08:57] <rbelem> slomo_: i'll send to you ;-)
[08:57] <rbelem> slomo_: thanks ;-)
[08:57] <LaserJock> 4 day?
[08:57] <slomo_> rbelem: ok :)
[08:57] <bmonty_laptop> LaserJock: yeah, he was born last Friday
[08:58] <LaserJock> CONGRATS!
[08:58] <bmonty_laptop> thanks :)
[09:07] <bmonty_laptop> be back in a few...
[09:18] <Kyral> Now i have to make a presentation
[09:19] <LaserJock> Kyral: do you have more than one pbuilder?
[09:19] <Kyral> Yes
[09:19] <LaserJock> how do you seperate them?
[09:19] <Kyral> I'll tell ya' later, I have a presentation to make
[09:20] <Kyral> okay? I'm really sorry I'm just really busy
[09:20] <LaserJock> OK, I can understand that, I had to do that yesterday
[09:20] <K_Dallas> Hi guys! I was told to ask here if there is any plan to release tetex3 for ubuntu anytime soon? thanks
[09:21] <slomo_> K_Dallas: it's already in dapper
[09:21] <LaserJock> dang, that is sweet. I hadn't realized that
[09:21] <K_Dallas> great, since i am sort of new (used ubuntu a few months ago for the first time) i have to see if i have dapper in my sources.list but thanks it is a good news
[09:38] <slomo_> crimsun_: ping?
[09:42] <crimsun_> slomo_: pong
[09:42] <slomo_> crimsun_: do you currently have time to review my ffmpeg mail?
[09:43] <crimsun_> slomo_: sure
[09:44] <slomo_> crimsun_: ok, mail sent... there are probably many mistakes... i definitly need sleep ;)
[09:44] <crimsun_> slomo_: to my fungus.sh.nu acct?
[09:44] <crimsun_> (my ubuntu.com one isn't forwarding correctly)
[09:44] <slomo_> yes
[09:45] <crimsun_> ok, thanks
[09:46] <crimsun_> slomo_: looks good to me
[09:47] <slomo_> anything you want to be added?
[09:48] <crimsun_> slomo_: you probably also want to mention vlc's case (a universe package) where you can't build-dep on libavcodec-dev (which is in universe) because libpostproc-dev is in multiverse
[09:48] <crimsun_> slomo_: and demoting everything to multiverse would resolve that issue
[09:49] <slomo_> ok, will do... thanks for looking at it :)
[09:49] <crimsun_> np, and thank you for the e-mail :-)
[09:51] <slomo_> ok, mail to -devel sent
[09:56] <crimsun_> yep, thanks.
[10:09] <keyes> so where must I sumbit my package?
[10:21] <Mez> keyes, what package?
[10:25] <keyes> olymer
[10:25] <keyes> polymer
[10:25] <keyes> a QT theme (not KDE)
[10:26] <keyes> used to integrate QT/KDE apps in GNOME
[11:11] <mindwarp> .\
[11:36] <sistpoty> hi folks
[11:37] <slomo_> hi sistpoty
[11:37] <sistpoty> hi slomo_
[11:38] <sistpoty> ping siretart
[11:38] <slomo_> sistpoty: good to meet you... what do you think about creating a MOTU Weird Languages team or something similar? ;) you seem to be interested in such languages...
[11:39] <sistpoty> slomo_: sounds cool :)
[11:40] <slomo_> sistpoty: fine :) do you want to create wikipage and LP team? ;) i'm busy with other stuff currently... and is the name ok?
[11:41] <sistpoty> slomo_: the name might mislead to actually spoken/written languages maybe s.th. like "uncommon programming languages?"
[11:42] <sistpoty> slomo_: I'm a little bit busy right now as well, I don't think I'll be getting to wiki/LP before weekend
[11:42] <sistpoty> slomo_: but i can do it ;)
[11:43] <slomo_> sistpoty: ok, then you do it :) what are you busy with atm? :)
[11:43] <sistpoty> slomo_: btw.: here is a nice one: http://shakespearelang.sourceforge.net/
[11:43] <sistpoty> slomo_: programming M$Access :(
[11:44] <dredg> Programming Access to seek out and destroy all other copies of Access in existence?
[11:44] <dredg> (ohpleaseohpleaseohplease)
[11:44] <slomo_> sistpoty: hehe... shakespearelang is almost as cool as chef =) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chef_%28Programmiersprache%29
[11:45] <sistpoty> slomo_: cool... i need to write some programs... er recipes *g*
[11:47] <sistpoty> dredg: I don't think I'm this advanced in access yet, but I heard of the new vista virus, which might do the trick *g*
[11:48] <siretart> sistpoty: pong
[11:48] <sistpoty> siretart: I just read revu2 spec and tried to figure out, why we introduced "Upload" in the first place
[11:49] <siretart> sistpoty: I  just updated the spec, it is called now CandidateSeries instead of Upload
[11:50] <sistpoty> siretart: yep. I read it. but i'm still wondering if upload is any good/if it will still be enough... should we discuss this in a query?
[11:50] <siretart> please
[11:50] <siretart> yes please
[11:56] <Kyral> Okay stupid question
[11:56] <Kyral> how do I take a screenshot in XFCE