kairu0i'd like to watch realplayer files in mplayer. is it possible?12:02
kairu0hey kkathman 12:02
kkathmanhmm... Im not sure, but dont think so12:03
kairu0so i _need_ the official realplayer clien?12:03
kkathmansomething about the RM codec thats not available in Linux...but that might have changed in breezy12:03
kkathmanis there one?12:03
kairu0i dont know12:04
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kkathmankairu0: do you do much compiling?12:07
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kairu0kkathman, nope why?12:10
kkathmanjust looking for someone that does12:10
kairu0i only compile when i run out of options hehe12:11
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josephThis sucks. :(12:13
josephI can't install anything! >: (12:13
kkathmanwhat do you mean..."anything"12:14
josephMmm.. whenever I try to install anything manually, it screws up!12:14
josephBut if I do it in Adept it works fine.12:14
kkathmanjoseph: you mean through apt-get ?12:15
josephNo, Adept..12:16
josephI use Adept, not apt-get. o.O12:16
jrattner1Anyone got any idea how to configure amarok and gstreamer12:16
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kkathmanjoseph: you mentioned that you cant do something "manually"...what do you mean12:17
joseph./configure, make, make install12:17
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kkathmanohh you mean from source12:17
kkathmanthat happens...sometimes you have to chase down dependencies12:17
josephHow do I do that?12:18
kkathmanyou might try running sudo apt-get build-dep <pkg>  on what you are trying to install, and see if you have all the dependencies12:18
kkathmanbut that will only work if that package is somewhere in the repos12:18
josephI went to the apt-get thingy.12:19
josephWebsite, unofficial repository site or w/e.12:19
kkathmanok what package are you trying to install right now?12:20
josephAND, I found a repository, and it has mtaskbar on it,b ut when I try to install it it comes up with an error. :(12:20
josephmtaskbar v2.12:20
josepherr.. taskbar v2.12:20
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kkathmanyeah its not in the repos anywhere12:21
kkathmanyou might go back to the forum or web site and see if you can contact the autho12:21
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kkathmanLooks around for Tm_T  :)12:25
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josephi think i found the problem. o.O12:27
josephi was doing it wron.g12:27
josephim not sure though.12:27
josephhold on.12:27
josephNOW we are going to start compiling.12:28
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josephyay, i think it worked for make.12:30
josephIT WORKS!12:30
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kkathmanwhat did you end up doing joseph?12:36
kkathmancuz it might work on mine too :)12:36
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kkathmanhey seezer :)12:49
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seezerhi kkathman :)12:50
seezerbut time for a movie and bed now, cu tomorrow12:51
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kkathmanokie doke12:51
seezerhope so :) good night12:51
SmonkeyI have a (possibly stupid) question.12:52
jubeii've been told upgrading to breezy is not reccomended using the method stated here http://www.kubuntu.org/docs/krelease-notes/C/kreleasenotes.html can you upgrade using the install discs?12:54
kairu0anyone else got segmentation faults from realplayer 10?12:55
ljldon't you all think direct interaction between the user and the applications is currently a big mess in KDE and most other GUIs too? i mean, the tray, the docking applets, the flashing taskbar, the dialogs, the on-screen-displays... how applications choose to interact with the users basically seems a random choice; sometimes the user can configure the behavior, but that's random too12:55
apokryphosjubei: that method is perfectly fine12:55
apokryphosjubei: just make sure you have kubuntu-desktop before you change your sources12:55
jubeiok, the "failsafe" mode they mention is that the kernel option when i boot ubuntu or something else?12:56
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apokryphosjubei: nope; from the login screen you can select Session -> Failsafe terminal12:57
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apokryphosljl: that's why the appeal and plasma projects were launched :)12:58
jubeido i edit /etc/apt/sources.list in normal mode then do the upgrade in failsafe mode?12:59
apokryphosjubei: personally I wouldn't care about going into failsafe at all; just save your stuff12:59
jubeiyou mean backup important files?12:59
apokryphosno, I wouldn't backup anything12:59
ubuntuanybody use the kubuntu live cd?12:59
ubuntui can't get amarok to wokr01:00
apokryphosjubei: as in, close any open word docs etc01:00
apokryphosubuntu: what's the error?01:00
ljl is it? i'm going to have a look at those. my opinion is that the currect methods of interaction should, basically, all be kept, but the which-is-which should be rationalized01:00
ubuntugstreamer says it can't play mp3s01:00
kkathmanapokryphos: could I please enlist your help on a compile issue?01:00
apokryphosubuntu: yes, it has to be like that01:00
kkathmanat your leisure of course :)01:00
apokryphosubuntu: mp3 codecs are propietary software -- can't come on kubuntu live CD01:00
apokryphoskkathman: sure; what is it?01:00
ubuntubut when I check adept it says that they are all installed...01:01
kkathmanI keep getting the same errors no matter what I do to compile something (make)01:01
ubuntuthe kde media back01:01
apokryphosubuntu: to play mp3s from there you'd have to install gstreamer0.8-mad and akode-mpeg01:01
hippiewhy open adept for konsole this look is very diferent ?01:01
jubeikynaptic shows i have kubuntu-desktop but not the latest version, is that ok01:02
apokryphoskkathman: could you pastebin the output?01:02
ubuntuI got xmms to work01:02
ubuntuwithout installing anything01:02
apokryphosjubei: just fine01:02
ubuntuso the codecs are there somewhere01:02
apokryphosubuntu: yes01:02
kkathmanapokryphos: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/41547101:02
apokryphosubuntu: well, no; it doesn't use the same engine I don't think01:02
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jubeiwill the upgrade update my kernel? This is the main reason i want to update01:03
apokryphoskkathman: you should generally always paste make errors with the last line that compiles correctly01:03
apokryphosjubei: yes01:03
apokryphosjubei: Breezy is far superior though; you should definitely ahve it01:04
kkathmanapokryphos: ok one sec01:04
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ubuntuapokyphos: it says I already have gstreamer0.8 installed01:04
Tatsuyahey anyone know how i can get gaim in kubuntu?01:04
apokryphosubuntu: gstreamer0.8-mad and akode-mpeg -- install them and then you can play mp3s in amaroK01:04
apokryphosTatsuya: breezy?01:05
jubeithis forum http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=73767 suggests to do an sudo apt-get update first is this nessesary?01:05
Tatsuyayea breezy01:05
kkathmanapokryphos: I guess Im too unfamiliar to know which line DID compile correctly :)01:05
ljlapo: is it normal that amarok takes ages to switch song, using gstreamer?01:05
apokryphoskkathman: lines with Errors are always negative01:05
apokryphosjubei: yes, the link mentions that01:06
apokryphosjubei: do this: change your sources, then sudo apt-get update (to refresh the sources for apt), then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade01:06
TatsuyaI use strait ubuntu but i installed kubuntu on a friends laptop and he wants to ge able to use gaim01:06
apokryphosTatsuya: fire up adept and install it01:07
jubeiah so it does01:07
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jubeiand there is really no advantage of using a failsafe console =) ?01:07
Tatsuyaadept reports that its not listed01:08
apokryphosTatsuya: you must be typing it incorrectly01:08
apokryphosjubei: not really01:08
jubeithanks for your help apokryphos01:08
apokryphoskkathman: so basically just a couple of lines before that one, most probably 8)01:09
ubuntuhow much space does a typical kubuntu install take up?01:09
Tatsuyanope, it cant find any aim compatible clients01:09
kkathmanapokryphos: this is a representation of what was on my konsole about the last 2-4 screens worth:  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/41548501:09
ubuntusame as the Cd?01:09
apokryphosTatsuya: in a terminal tell 'em to type sudo apt-get install gaim, and let me know the output01:09
fatbraingaim better than kopete?01:10
apokryphosnope :D01:10
LjLMiranda better than both :P except it's for that other OS01:11
apokryphoskkathman: looks like a random automake error; what programs have given that on compile?01:11
kkathmanapokryphos: knoda from sourceforge01:11
kkathmanthe newest version01:12
Tatsuya"couldnt stat source package"01:12
Tatsuyaand a list of http addresses01:12
apokryphosTatsuya: sudo apt-get update first01:12
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Tatsuyajust did and it found it tnx01:13
apokryphoskkathman: did you do sudo apt-get build-dep knoda  first?01:13
kkathmanapokryphos: yes01:13
LjLdo you see any security problems in doing ' alias apt "sudo aptitude" '?01:13
ubuntueh miranda is alright but it didn't even check away messages when I tried it01:14
ubuntulooks good though01:14
ubuntunice and transparent and all01:14
apokryphosLjL: why the heck would you? They're not the same at all01:14
LjLubuntu: and a ton of plugins01:14
kkathmanapokryphos: there was another hk_classes that I had to compile and install..and that was fine01:14
LjLapo: they what?01:14
LjLapo: "apt" isn't even a command01:14
LjLas to why I would, because typying "apt" is faster than typing "sudo aptitude"01:15
LjLparticularly since auto-completion doesn't work after typing "sudo"01:15
apokryphosyes it does01:15
apokryphosyou'd have to enable it01:15
LjLthat's interesting, where would i look to enable it?01:15
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kkathmanapokryphos: I think maybe I'll just have to remove all the dependencies and forget about the new version and maybe install the one thats in the repos...trouble is that package is way old01:16
apokryphosLjL: in your .bashrc add . /etc/bash_completion01:17
LjLapo: yeah was about to find out. it's there already, only commented out01:17
nekostarwould anyone have any experience compiling denu [makes menus for fluxbox etc]  or something like it?01:17
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LjLworks, cool01:18
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LjL"apt update" is still faster tho ;) but this sudo completion thing is definitely useful01:19
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LjLi think it ought to be enabled by default in ubuntu, since sudo is so often used01:19
TedLemonHas anybody had any luck getting audio to work with kubuntu?01:19
LjLted: audio? yeah, it worked out of the box...01:19
TedLemonSigh.   Lucky you.01:20
ubuntuonly with xmms on the live cde01:20
TedLemonYeah, xmms works for me, because it goes straight to the OSS driver rather than using the daemon.01:20
Kibouwhy is k3b still at version 0.12.2?01:20
TedLemonI've been unable to get the daemon working, and can't figure out how to get it to say what it's doing so that I can fix it.01:20
LjLah yeah, i'm having some problems with aRts, but basically it just works except for behaving strangely at times01:21
apokryphosLjL: it's not on by default because it can get bogged down on rare occassions01:21
LjLapo: i see... but perhaps not the whole /etc/bash_completion, but just the sudo part. any "rare occasions" shouldn't be too much of a problem, i think01:22
ubuntuTedLemon: I think that the codecs are in the wrong spot on the cd01:22
LjLi mean, it'd be a way to convince people to actually use sudo... i'm often very tempted to just "sudo su" when i have to type a few commands as root01:22
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apokryphosLjL: you shouldn't use that; sudo -i is better01:25
LjLwhat's different?01:26
apokryphossudo -i sets up the root priv environment correctly; see man sudo01:26
ubuntuTedLemon: do you have problems with videos as well?01:26
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LjLapokryphos: you know, i think the bestest thing would be that you could just type a command, say "aptitude", and it would say "Priviledged command, please type password"... basically, just like it's done inside KDE01:28
LjLa bit hard to do for shells, i suppose01:28
apokryphosproblem is that commands aren't made like that01:31
LjLyeah, i know... the only possible thing, I think, would be to symlink priviledged commands to some script that ran sudo first01:32
LjLnow *that*'s really very much like what KDE does01:32
LjLbut i'm afraid it'd become a bit of a mess01:33
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sophie__quick launch applet does not work properly after breezy upgrade anyone experience the same thing01:36
kkathmansophie_: quick launch applet?01:37
TedLemonubuntu: I can get video to play no problem, just audio that doesn't work.01:38
sophie__kkathman: resembles the (yark) xp quick launch01:39
kkathmanon the toolbar(kicker)?01:40
sophie__kkathman: yep its not on the toolbar by default u have to add it try it its nice01:41
kkathmansophie__: I have several quick launches on my toolbar, so maybe Ive done it or not, based on what you are calling it01:42
sophie__kkathman: its diffret romthe icon you add one by one, try to add a qucik launch applet 01:43
sophie__kkathman: I dont think we are talking about the same thing, with quick launch applet u can reduce the size of the icons and have them spanning on several rows01:44
kkathmansophie__: and how do you do that??01:44
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kkathmanhmmm yeah I dont think we are01:44
kkathmanthats why I am asking what you do  to do ti01:45
sophie__kkathman: right click on task bar add applet quick launch01:45
kkathmanuhmm yah...ok01:46
kkathmanit added like 4 icons01:46
kkathmandoo dah01:47
kkathmanthey are the same as adding icon links I think...at least they look the same :)01:47
sophie__kkathman: if you prees on the applet handle u can specify the icon size to the default one row set up01:48
sophie__kkathman: now with breezy upgrade the app application does not shiw up i get a defaut gear icon which sucks01:49
kkathmannah mine come up with their respective symbols01:49
kkathmankonsole, help, etc01:49
sophie__kkathman: u can add your own apps to that mini launcher01:49
sophie__kkathman: try it01:49
kkathmanI do that all the time01:50
sophie__kkathman: does it show the added app icon try to konversation or xvhat01:50
kkathmanyes I have konversation, gaim, thunderbird, kopete, superkaramba, kbear and others01:50
sophie__kkathman: do u have a screen shot01:51
kkathmanGuess I could do one for you01:51
sophie__send it to philippe.charest@gmail.com (here comes the spam)01:51
sophie__kkathman: its would be gratly appreciated01:52
kkathmannow...where do I post it??01:53
kkathmanok sent01:54
sophie__kkathman: nice desktop btw01:55
sophie__kkathman: what happens if u increase the size of the taskbar does it span the icons on two rows01:56
kkathmanlol thanks01:58
kkathmansophie__ Idunno...I never increased the size before01:58
kkathmanI just increased, and they all seem to still fit on one line, but there is a scroller on the right to see the time, and other things01:59
LjLhmm stuff on a taskbar gets to spawn to rows when the size reaches a certain value, yeah01:59
kairu0hey all02:00
kkathmanBut I like them smal and out of the way02:00
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LjLkkathman: well, i have one single bar on my screen, which is just high enough to hold text in size 11 font :-)02:01
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LjLkde and gnome just come with too many bars and panels around the screen by default02:02
LjLi mean, i pay dearly every half-inch of monitor i buy, it makes no sense to fill it all with panels02:02
kkathmanLJL I have two panels, my kicker, and then another small panel above it for the open windows02:03
ubotusomebody said restricted was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats ; also see !javadebs (for sun-java debs) and !w32codecs02:03
LjLi have a panel at the top, with the K Menu, the menubar for the current application, a systray, and weather & clock02:03
ubotuextra, extra, read all about it, w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. To download the debs: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy).  For 64-bit read: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5439902:04
LjLon the bottom, i have an external taskbar, but that remains hidden until i reach it with the mouse02:04
kairu0anyone have realplayer working?02:04
kairu0i have a windows-style one-bar-at-the-bottom thingy02:04
LjLkairu: well, i like it better at the top, but it doesn't make much difference... the one thing that makes a lot of difference for me is having the apps' menu on the bar02:05
LjLkairu: it serves to purposes, 1) doesn't waste space for per-window menus 2) menus get much easier to click02:06
kairu0LjL, i find it easier to jerk my mouse down than push it up..so i like the bottom :)02:06
kairu0LjL: oh you mean the mac title bar thing02:06
kairu0LjL, i used that for a while, but the apps i use most (like firefox) dont cooperate so i stopped02:07
LjLkairu: yeah, that's a problem unforunately :-\ hope gnome will do something about it02:07
LjLanyway, i'm currently trying to restrict myself to KDE apps02:07
LjLi just use konqueror02:07
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kairu0LjL, konqueror dns resolution is unbelievably slow for some reason on my machine02:08
kairu0LjL, my favorite kde app right now is kmymoney as gnucash is still stuck in the world of 1998-style gtk102:10
sophie__LjL: konqueror for web browsing?02:10
LjLsophie: uh... i mean... yeah02:10
LjLit's a browser, isn't it?02:11
sophie__LjL: Personnaly I cant stay away from firyfoxxy because of the extentions02:11
LjLyeah i miss the extensions a lot02:11
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LjLbut i don't find konqueror too bad at all02:11
LjLfirefox is better, no doubts02:12
sophie__LjL: Page rendering does seem repeat "seems" faster than firefox02:12
kairu0anyone else had a slow-dns-resolution issue with konqueror?02:12
LjLyeah, "seem", because when the page is BIG... well, just try :)02:12
LjLkairu: dunno, it seems to work normally for me02:12
sophie__kairu0: happened to me system wide with suse's and hoary02:13
LjLkairu: look, what about installing a DNS server? doesn't have to be something complicated, i'm currently using a small, easy DNS "proxy" that caches addresses02:13
LjLkairu: not directly konqueror related, but perhaps it would solve your problem, as well as giving you better DNS performance overall02:13
sophie__kairu0: related to my router not being ipv6 compatible02:14
sophie__kairu0: does this happen with other apps02:14
LjL(dnsmasq is the program I use)02:14
kairu0sophie_, well, i have problems with things not opening on the first click in firefox (or any other browser)02:15
kairu0sophie_, can i disable ipv6?02:15
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sophie__kairu0: yep02:15
kairu0sophie_, do you know how?02:15
sophie__kairu0: 02:17
sophie_kairu0: have a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6841.html02:19
kkathmantime to eat...back in a while02:20
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kairu0cool thnkx02:21
sophie_kairu0: u have  to restart network or reboot for it to take effect02:23
kairu0sophie_, good i'll kill the internet briefly02:25
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kairu0ok i did it02:27
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AEnertiaHi all02:28
kairu0hey AEnertia 02:29
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AEnertiasome q&a about kubuntu 5.10 amd6402:37
Bangershi, how do I configure my resolution?02:37
AEnertiaBangers, there is a tool called krandrtool02:38
AEnertiashould be in system02:38
BangersI installed kubuntu on my laptop, Intel Display .. 1280x800 - but its displayed as 1024x76802:38
kairu0Bangers, right click desktop -> configure display02:38
kairu0Bangers, is that a vaio laptop?02:38
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AEnertiaBangers, oh.. you might need to change X02:38
kairu0dell maybe?02:38
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kairu0my laptop is 1280x800 and it was 1024x768 by default02:38
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AEnertiak back to q&a bout amd64... Media codecs... and players02:40
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AEnertiaCan the 32bit versions of xinelib and mplayer (for kmplayer) easily be added to allow full media support?02:40
Bangersyeh - inspirin 700m.02:41
AEnertiaAlso the kio slave audio:/ mp3 encoding? What is the status 02:41
AEnertiadoes it need additional stuff to work02:41
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AEnertiaI know about k3b-mp3 but what is needed for konqeuror's inbuild stuff02:42
Bangerskairu0: so what did you do?  my screen takes a long time to refresh etc, and I'm not getting the 1280x800 option in the display config.02:42
Bangersdo i need to install the correct drivers?02:42
AEnertiaBangers, nah you just need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf with the correct modes02:42
kairu0Bangers, since you arent getting the option then your problem is either the wrong display driver or a bad xorg.conf configuration02:42
kairu0Bangers, in either case, it comes down to configuring X02:42
kairu0Bangers, open up /etc/X11/xorg.conf and see if theres a section for the 1280x800 resolution02:43
fatbrainwhen installing mysql on my kubuntu, is there a way to ... configure it? like set a root password and such!?02:44
AEnertiafatbrain, follow the standard mysql intructions02:45
AEnertiathey are on the web02:45
AEnertiaparticular relevant is "Setting up inital root password"02:45
fatbrainon the web ey!? interesting...02:45
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kairu0fatbrain, mysqladmin -u root password myPassword02:45
fatbrainkairu0: thank you very much.02:46
AEnertiafatbrain, I urge you to read the web based intructions tho02:46
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AEnertiaCos there are alot of gotchas02:46
AEnertiamysql auth scheme is host based02:46
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AEnertiaIf you intend to use the mysql database on the network. You need to change a few things02:47
fatbrainAEnertia: gotcha (not that I will read them, but thanks for the concern ;))02:47
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Bangerskairu0: yep.  there is.   inside xorg.conf - it has entries for my intel display drivers, and for my monitor at 1280x80002:48
Bangersbut it obviously isnt working..?02:48
kairu0Bangers, this is breezy right?02:48
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AEnertiaBangers, can you paste bin your xorg.conf file please02:48
Bangersyep. breezy.02:49
Bangerssure 1 sec.02:49
BangersInside ServerLayout, it has "Default Sscreen" - which inside it has Device as my Intel display drivers, and also has inside it subsections for the color depth's and resolution - all 1280x80002:50
AEnertiaIt's possible the driver is using vesa modes... of which 1280x800 is not one02:52
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AEnertiaThis can be fixed by specifying a modeline for your monitor for 1280x80002:52
AEnertiabut paste your xorg.conf02:52
AEnertiaI'll have a look02:52
kairu0Bangers, 1280x800 is picky about color depth too. mine wouldnt run at 24 bit with ubuntus x intel driver02:52
kairu0Bangers, you can compare it to mine if you like. I use the intel driver at 1280x800: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/41555602:54
AEnertiagot that pastebin yet bangers>02:54
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kairu0guidance handbook?03:00
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apokryphoshelp:/guidance in Konq03:00
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propagandhiwhat is the knqueror plugin that lets you use locate03:01
kairu0anyone know why spanish accents arent working? french accents do03:02
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seth_k|lappypropagandhi, kio-locate03:06
jubeikubuntu upgrade went well. I'm having trouble accessing cttl+alt+f1 though03:06
seth_k|lappykairu0, what's the difference? You mean like  ?03:06
jubeiany idea why?03:06
KnowerrorsHi all, how do you get the java plugin running in firefox and kubuntu?03:08
Bangerskairu0: thats basically identical to my config.03:08
apokryphosKnowerrors: it should automagically03:08
seth_k|lappyubotu tell Knowerrors about Java03:08
apokryphosKnowerrors: did you install the java deb?03:08
Knowerrorsand the plugin03:08
Knowerrorsfrom ubu repos03:08
kairu0seth_k|lappy,  works but   etc. dont03:08
apokryphosKnowerrors: you'll only have blackdown java, which is fine, but if you want sun java then /msg ubotu javadebs03:08
kairu0seth_k|lappy, by the way i typed those in xchat (spanish accents are working in gnome apps but not qt)03:09
seth_k|lappyah kairu0, I gotcha03:09
seth_k|lappyone sec, kairu0 03:09
KnowerrorsIm fine with blackdown java, as long as it works, right now, synaptic says I got it installed plus the mozilla plugin, but neither konq or ff have java working03:09
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AEnertiaconsidering the silent reply I am guessing media support is compile your own for brezzy.03:10
apokryphosRiddell: almost? ;-)03:10
Knowerrorsbtw, Im running kubuntu 5.1003:10
ubotuparse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, sophie_03:10
sophie_!ubotu media03:10
ubotusophie_: Did you get hit by a windmill?03:10
Riddellapokryphos: I need to confirm with sabdfl that I lik jjesse (which I do)03:10
apokryphosRiddell: thought he was made one long ago. What are those guys hanging around for?03:10
sophie_!ubotu mp303:10
ubotump3 is, like, a non-free format. Restricted formats' installation instructions can be found on the RestrictedFormats page of the wiki - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats - click away:)03:10
sophie_AEnertia: look one msg up03:11
apokryphosRiddell: he does an awful lot of work for ubuntu; most definitely should be one.03:11
AEnertiasophie_, for amd64?03:12
Knowerrorsapokryphos: I have j2re-1.4 and j2re-1.4-mozilla-plugin installed03:12
apokryphosRiddell: was sabdfl serious about the kde-conversion? I thought he was a gnome-devoutee03:12
apokryphosKnowerrors: I can't say for sure, but it should be working fine, I'd say.03:12
kairu0Bangers, has 1280x800 worked in other versions of ubuntu/kubuntu?03:12
Riddellapokryphos: he runs kubuntu on his desktop now (not laptop)03:12
Riddellapokryphos: I don't think he is a gnome devotee at all, he just had (good) reasons to choose gnome for ubuntu03:13
Knowerrorsapokryphos: maybe it didn't install well, where can I check apt/synaptic install log?03:13
apokryphosRiddell: I thought he knew a surprising amount about kde from his akademy talk03:13
Bangerskairu0: never tried it.   03:13
apokryphosKnowerrors: just dpkg -l|grep somepackage  ...to see if it's installed03:13
seth_k|lappykairu0, sudo dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/xkeyboard-config_0.6-5_all.deb03:13
apokryphoshm, I see03:13
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seth_k|lappykairu0, you're using the Compose key to try to type accents, right?03:14
kairu0seth_k|lappy, wow where did you find htat?03:14
apokryphosKnowerrors: I'd say just install sun java -- it requires you sudo dpkg -i to two debs only03:14
kairu0seth_k|lappy, yes03:14
seth_k|lappykairu0, yeah that should fix it03:14
seth_k|lappyhappened to me too03:14
seth_k|lappythat's how I knew where to find it :P03:14
ubotu[restricted]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats ; also see !javadebs (for sun-java debs) and !w32codecs03:14
KnowerrorsIt says in synaptic its installed, I just think it may be incomplete, I was installing  alot of packages with synaptic, and was watching the console messages, and tried to copy something with "cntrl-c" which interupted it03:14
kairu0Bangers, you might have to use 855resolution (or 915resolution.) try a google search for 1280x800 resolution on dell laptop in linux03:15
seth_k|lappyKnowerrors, sudo dpkg --configure -a03:15
seth_k|lappyKnowerrors, to finish interrupted configs03:15
Knowerrorssweet, thx seth_k|lappy, will that work even if Ive rebooted since then?03:15
Knowerrorsnice, its finishing right now, java was one that didn't get setup completely03:16
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kairu0seth_k|lappy, ok here goes,03:17
seth_k|lappysweet, that means your Java should start working then :)03:18
seth_k|lappykairu0, we can try other stuff if that doesn't work, but sounds like same symptoms03:18
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seth_k|lappye.g. GTK works but not QT03:18
kairu0seth_k|lappy, its a no go. now pushing compose produces this 03:19
seth_k|lappykairu0, you'll need to remap your compose key03:19
seth_k|lappykairu0, in SystemSettings03:19
kairu0how do i do that?03:20
Knowerrorsother question: do the swf player and plugin debs work? I have both those ubu debs installed and I get Flash fine, but no Shockwave 03:20
seth_k|lappyRegional & Accessibility > Keyboard Layout > Xkb Options03:20
kairu0Knowerrors, shockwave wont work no matter what you do03:20
seth_k|lappyScroll down and set COMPOSE option how you want it03:20
AEnertiaKnowerrors, shockwave needs crossover office03:20
seth_k|lappyB/c macromedia hates Linux03:21
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seth_k|lappyor Macrobe now ;)03:21
Knowerrorshmmm, what about with Wine?03:21
sophie_Knowerrors: screw shockwave03:22
Knowerrorsyeah, I know its a security cornhole03:23
Knowerrorsso its a PITA I assume to setup on Linux, that the idear?03:24
Bangerskairu0: thanks03:24
Bangerskairu0: FYI: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~scs49/install_linux.html#destHeader10703:24
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AEnertiaKnowerrors, crossover office is wine03:25
AEnertiaBut crossover is comercial and designed to support seemless windows plugin installation03:25
Knowerrorsyeah I know, you gotta pay for it, but it works nice with no hastle03:25
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_jaypeewhat package contains the carousel 3d screensaver?03:26
_sergiodoes anybody can help me with openoffice?03:26
_sergioi can't run it03:26
kairu0_sergio, please be more specific03:28
seth_k|lappy_jaypee, no such thing in the archives from what I can find03:28
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seth_k|lappyunless it's in a bigger package, like one of the kscreensaver packages03:29
_sergiowhen i try to open a file like a .doc or .sxw it says "KDEInit can't run '/usr/bin/oowriter' "03:30
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redwardshello can someone tell me why mozilla firefox was not put in Kubuntu03:30
fatejudgercan you mount Windows network drives using the fstab in Breezy?03:30
fatejudgerI remember you couldn't do it in Hoary03:30
fatejudgerbut I thought maybe they fixed that03:30
fatejudgerredwards: download it from apt03:30
redwardscool thanks03:30
kairu0_sergio, what happens if you open a console and type /usr/bin/oowriter?03:33
_sergiolet me see03:34
_sergiobash: /usr/bin/oowriter: No existe el fichero o el directorio03:34
_sergioit says that03:34
_sergiodo you have oowriter?03:36
kairu0_sergio, what about /usr/bin/oowriter2?03:36
_sergiocan you send me?03:36
kairu0_sergio, openoffice 2.0 uses oowriter203:36
_sergioit says the same03:36
_sergioit says that the directory doesn't exist03:37
kairu0_sergio, type "/usr/bin/oowriter2"03:37
_sergioit says the same03:37
_sergiothat the directory doesn't exist03:38
kairu0are you typing "cd /usr/bin/oowriter2"?03:38
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kainoshelp on HylaFax03:39
kainosLogin failed: 500 'PASS ': Syntax error, expecting password.03:39
kairu0_sergio, dont type "cd" all you should type is "/usr/bin/oowriter2"03:40
_sergiolet me see03:40
kainoshelp on HylaFAX -> Login failed: 500 'PASS ': Syntax error, expecting password.03:40
_sergiono, it says the same that the directory doesn't exist03:40
kairu0_sergio, ok then you should install openoffice. do that in adept03:40
_sergiothats another problem03:41
_sergiowhen I type F2 + ALT, it don't run adept03:41
_sergioand i update all the system yesterday03:42
_sergiowith kynaptic03:42
_sergioi think i am going back to windows03:42
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kairu0_sergio, then you can use kynaptic instead of adept03:42
_sergiothank you03:43
kainosHelp on HylaFAX -> Login failed: 500 'PASS ': Syntax error, expecting password.03:43
kairu0_sergio, no prolem03:43
fatejudgercan someone with a wireless card pastebin their /etc/network/interfaces file?03:44
kainosHelp on HylaFAX -> Login failed: 500 'PASS ': Syntax error, expecting password.03:44
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ubuntudamn storms.03:45
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kainosHelp on HylaFAX -> Login failed: 500 'PASS ': Syntax error, expecting password.03:45
fatejudgerdoesn't anyone have a wireless card?03:45
naliothubotu: tell kainos about repeat03:46
fatejudgernalioth: good one03:46
ChanikaI'm just going to play with my laptop until this is over... darn desktops and their lack of batteries03:46
fatejudgerChanika: can you pastebin your interfaces file?03:46
Chanikawhat interfaces file?03:46
fatejudgerChanika: mine broke03:46
fatejudgerChanika: I have no idea how03:46
ChanikaI just booted kubuntu livecd for the first time03:47
fatejudgerChanika: /etc/network/interfaces03:47
fatejudgerChanika: oh ok, lol03:47
fatejudgerChanika: I guess you can't help me then03:47
Chanikaand it's alreay bugging me that there isn't a konsole shortcut on the taskbar03:47
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fatejudgerChanika: well put one on there03:48
Chanikafatejudger: not much point on a livecd :)03:48
Chanikamm, but this is shiny...03:48
ChanikaI like how the menus aren't quite so instanelyt cluttered03:48
Chanikaand konsole defaults to a black bg, good- white hurt my brain03:49
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fatejudgerI think my Breezy partition on my laptop is falling apart03:51
fatejudgerX won't boot anymore03:51
fatejudgerfor no apparent reason03:51
kairu0fatejudger, maybe you are victim of the /dev/mice bug03:52
fatejudgerwell, I do have a USB mouse plugged in03:55
fatejudgerbut I've never had a problem before with it03:55
fatejudgerit just started!03:55
kairu0are you on the final breezy or one of the colonies?03:56
regeyaok, here's where I get embarrassed03:56
fatejudgerI was just trying to get samba working03:57
regeyaI hadn't heard 'colonies' until a couple of days ago03:57
fatejudgerso I changed my computer name03:57
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regeyawhere have I been?03:57
fatejudgeronce I did that, I restarted my computer03:57
fatejudgerand then my wireless didn't work anymore03:57
fatejudgerso I manually enable it and got an IP using DHCP03:57
kairu0fatejudger, hmmmmm 03:57
fatejudgersamba still wasn't working, so I restarted again03:57
fatejudgerand then X didn't boot up03:57
fatejudgernow X is booting up again03:57
kairu0fatejudger, did you read /var/log/xorg.0 (or whatever its called)03:58
fatejudgerbut my wireless card still doesn't work03:58
fatejudgerhow could my wireless card just stop working?03:58
fatejudgerI have three extra lines in /etc/network/interfaces03:58
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ecobuntudoes the k stand for kewl?03:59
fatejudgerauto ath0, wireless-essid Chiron, and iface ath0 inet dhcp03:59
kairu0ecobuntu, yes03:59
fatejudgerecobuntu: it stands for Krazy!04:00
fatejudgerecobuntu: krappy!04:00
kairu0fatbrain, isnt auto ath0 supposed to be at the end?04:00
kairu0oops fatejudger,04:00
fatejudgerit's supposed to be at the end?04:00
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kairu0i think so04:00
fatbrainhehe, stop using autocomplete if you don't know how to use it :P04:01
fatejudgerok, saved and restarting04:01
propagandhihow does one use nickcompletion 04:01
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kairu0propagandhi, i push tab in xchat 04:02
kainosdoes anyone knows how to configure host access to hylafax server for ubuntu?04:02
propagandhilol, oh okay, how easy should have thought of trying similar to terminal completion04:03
fatejudgerkairu0: wireless is still not functional04:03
fatejudgerkairu0: X still works though04:03
kairu0fatejudger, do you have an wep key?04:04
fatejudgerkairu0: no, open wireless04:04
fatejudgerkairu0: WEP is for the paranoid04:04
Oniichanwhat card do you have?04:04
kairu0whatever. its for the secure04:04
kairu0but your card worked until now right?04:04
fatejudgermac filtering works just fine04:04
fatejudgeryes, my card always worked04:04
fatejudgeruntil now04:04
LeeJunFanfatejudger: www.kismet.org04:04
fatejudgerwhy do I want kismet now?04:05
kairu0mac filtering ok too. but i like wep because i'm l33t h@x0r04:05
fatejudgeryeah well04:05
fatejudgerI took Cisco04:05
fatejudgerand I realized it did jack shit04:05
fatejudgerbesides, it takes up 25% of your bandwidth04:05
kairu0i took cisco04:05
LeeJunFanfatejudger: I run a wireless ISP - I can walk thru your mac filtering in less than 10 seconds, WEP would at least take me a week or so probably.04:05
fatejudgerand adds latency04:05
kairu0no it doesnt04:05
fatejudgeryes it does04:05
fatejudgerdon't believe me, look it up04:05
kairu0no it doesnt cherry on top04:05
fatejudgerit does04:05
LeeJunFanit doesn't take that much BW but it does add a little latency depentant mostly on the hardware in use.04:06
Oniichanlol mac filter is more secure anyway04:06
kairu0i dont believe you04:06
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: yeah right04:06
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: only if I was online04:06
kairu0and i'm not goin to look it up lol04:06
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: and you were sitting outside capturing packets04:06
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: router broadcast packets don't count04:06
kairu0fatejudger, see! your phony network security let LeeJunFan sneak right into the secure conversation04:06
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LeeJunFanfatejudger: with WEP yeah, that's what I'm saying - it would take a while, mac filtering I can get past in seconds.04:06
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: not if I wasn't online04:07
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: if I was gone, it would take you all day04:07
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: since you'd have to wait for me to get back04:07
LeeJunFanfatejudger: it would take only one packet from you.04:07
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: of course04:07
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: but I would have to send it04:07
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: which would mean that I would have to be online when you were there04:07
LeeJunFanfatejudger: so you don't use it at all eh? I guess that's secure. duh.04:07
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: and you would have to know that it was using mac filtering04:07
LeeJunFanfatejudger: as soon as I tried to pass traffic and it didn't work I'd have a pretty big clue.04:08
kairu0speaking of security i can open my mysql database in openoffice with myodbc, but i cant edit the fields. is this a permission problem?04:08
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: your wireless connection could have a bad signal04:08
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: that would have the same symptoms04:08
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: and how many people use mac filtering for wireless security?04:08
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: really04:08
LeeJunFanI know enough about RF to troubleshoot this. I've done 25 mile links with 802.11 and high gain antennas.04:09
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: nobody,04:09
LeeJunFanfatejudger: more than you think.04:09
LeeJunFanfatejudger: I do - but not at the access point.04:09
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: the point is, I've created a nuisance04:09
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: tons of my neighbors have open APs04:09
kairu0fatejudger, the point is, you dont like any words that start with wep-04:09
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: they won't connect to mine, because it would be easier to just connect to an open one04:09
fatejudgerkairu0: not if they steal my bandwidth04:10
LeeJunFanfatejudger: I agree that in 99% of the time that most people would stop there. But without WEP or at least some other kind of encryption everything is sniffable.04:10
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: I live in the back of the residential neighborhood04:10
KnowerrorsDoes anyone have the "GTK styles and fonts" setting working in Kubuntu 5.10 Look and Feel settings section?  Mine does nothing, even though I have a bunch of gtk libs and themes installed04:10
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: nobody comes back here unless they live here04:10
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: the likelyhood of some person wanting to steal my wireless connection04:11
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: and ignoring all of my neighbor's open wireless connections04:11
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: it's so small, it's almost laughable04:11
LeeJunFanfatejudger: that's true.04:11
kairu0Knowerrors, mine didnt work until i switched it from "use qt theme" to a specific theme04:11
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: I'd rather have ALL of my bandwidth04:11
fatejudgeranyway, my problem is still here04:12
fatejudgerI can't connect04:12
fatejudgerwell, I can04:12
fatejudgerbut not automatically04:12
Knowerrorskairu0: clicking on that button does nada for me, no settings dialog comes up04:12
LeeJunFanfatejudger: I agree, my wireless network is mixed. I prefer non wep for myself because of the latency and online gaming dont' mix.04:12
kairu0Knowerrors, in System Settings -> Appearance, right?04:12
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: yeah, it takes away bandwidth and adds latency04:13
LeeJunFanfatejudger: but then I vpn everything between my laptop and my router at the NOC too.04:13
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: and many times I'll bridge a connection on my laptop to my Xbox04:13
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: which I still haven't figured out how to do on Linux04:13
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: so I have to boot into Windows every time04:13
LeeJunFanfatejudger: the important stuff anyway, like mail, some IM, and what not.04:13
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: do you know how to bridge connections in Linux?04:14
LeeJunFanfatejudger: yeah, it's pretty simple.04:14
LeeJunFanfatejudger: do you have bridge tools installed?04:14
LeeJunFanfatejudger: bridge-utils actually.04:14
LeeJunFanfatejudger: just up both your interfaces with ifconfig with an address of, then brctl addbr br0 ; brctl addif eth0 ; brctl addif wlan0 ; ifconfig br0 [ip]  netmask [netmask] 04:16
LeeJunFanbrb, gotta run outside and turn off my compressor, making my power backups beep when it kicks on. hehe04:17
fatejudgerI should write a bash script for that04:17
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LeeJunFanfatejudger: just don't double bridge to your switch you'll mess up the bridging tables and mess up your switch, have to reboot it.04:23
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fatejudgerdouble bridge?04:23
fatejudgerwell how do I get my wireless working right now04:23
fatejudgerusing the /etc/network/interfaces04:24
meangreenlizardHi, anyone got a qt3-designer with working sql-plugin?04:25
kairu0fatejudger, it works when you manually restart networking yeah?04:26
fatejudgerkairu0: yes04:26
kairu0fatejudger, are you using ndiswrapper?04:26
fatejudgerI tried using it04:26
fatejudgerbut then I uninstalled04:26
fatejudgerit didn't work too well04:26
fatejudgereverything is written for stupid Gnome04:27
LeeJunFanConfiguration is done using the iwconfig program; see iwconfig(8). For each possible command parameter of iwconfig you can include an option in /etc/network/interfaces named like that parameter with a "wireless-" prefix.04:27
kairu0fatejudger, you sure dhcp isnt timing out?04:27
fatejudgerwhen I do, "sudo dhclient ath0" it works04:28
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: did you see the commands I had in that file?04:28
LeeJunFanfatejudger: in interfaces put: auto ath0 - then do iface ath0 inet dhcp on another line04:30
fatejudgerthey were: auto ath0, wireless-essid Chiron, and iface ath0 inet dhcp04:30
LeeJunFanwell, hrm.04:30
LeeJunFanhehe, that should have done it.04:30
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fatejudgermaybe ndiswrapper broke it04:30
duendeHelp : sudo will not work for me for some reason.  when i issue any command with sudo, it doesn't ask for password nor does the command work.  i tried with multiple users, and i don't have a password set for root.  any ideas?04:31
LeeJunFanmaybe ndiswrapper isn't getting loaded until after interfaces is run.04:31
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: I don't use ndiswrapper though04:31
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: I first used the native drivers04:32
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: and then tried to use ndiswrapper to get the 108 mbps speeds my card gets04:32
LeeJunFanah, then nevermind. ndiswrapper shouldn't make any dif then.04:32
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: but ndiswrapper sucks04:32
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: so I removed the module04:32
kairu0ndiswrapper works great for me04:32
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: I couldn't ever get ndiswrapper working04:32
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LeeJunFanfatejudger: I dunno, I use madwifi (ath) also, but I don't have my wireless setup in interfaces because I have so many different places my wireless config is different it would be pointless anyway.04:34
LeeJunFanfatejudger: I wonder if you used a pre-up command in interfaces to modprobe ath_pci?04:35
fatejudgerI did modprobe ndiswrapper or something04:35
LeeJunFanunder your iface line, add one that says pre-up modprobe ath_pci04:35
LeeJunFanbtw, double bridging would be if you had say 2 wireless cards connected to the same AP, or a wireless card and a wired connection to the same AP, and bridged those 2 interfaces together on your linux.04:36
LeeJunFana very confusing DoS to the switch/ap.04:37
AEnertiaso ubuntu does not use multiarch layout for it libs... is this correct04:38
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: ok, thanks04:38
LeeJunFanAEnertia: correct, it's true 64 bit only.04:38
fatejudgerLeeJunFan: I'll try that after I get back from the concert04:38
LeeJunFanAEnertia: you have to do a chrooted installation for the 32bit libs.04:38
AEnertiawell thats bloody stupid04:38
LeeJunFanAEnertia: yes and no.04:38
AEnertiaNo... it's stupid.. 04:39
AEnertiaI have read the debian rationale and heard the arguments04:39
AEnertiait's just bloody mindedness04:39
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AEnertiaIt's a nightmare to maintain04:39
LeeJunFanAEnertia: I can see both sides of the argument, but I happen to be more on your side with that.04:39
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AEnertiaarchs that support natively >1 arch... should use multilib04:40
AEnertiaSo.. basically because of a silly decision from debian team. Ubuntu as amd64 arch is effectively useless as a 0 hassle desktop distro... 04:41
LeeJunFanAEnertia: yeah. No flashplugin, no openoffice, no vmware, etc without hassle. They do have openoffice in the distro, but if you want to do it yourself it's a pain in the ass.04:42
AEnertiaSomeone needs to create some scripts to rectify this issue. I can't actually imagine it being that difficult04:42
AEnertiabut it would break package compat04:42
LeeJunFanAEnertia: It's all tied to libc, which everything is tied to, so you would have to change libc, which would then break everythign that relied on it == your whole system.04:43
LeeJunFanAEnertia: right.04:43
LeeJunFanAEnertia: it's assnine enough that I run 32bit on my AMD64.04:44
AEnertiaLeeJunFan, well I will probably have to do that for this guy.... the problem is tho that I beleive there may be some issues with running 32bit kernel on this particular hardware combination04:44
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AEnertiaThere certainly is with vanila kernel04:45
LeeJunFanI do a lot of work for other people, which means I have to use windows on occasion, so I need VMWare to work.04:45
AEnertiaBut it remains to be seen with ubuntu's patched to hell kernel04:45
LeeJunFanAEnertia: why's that?04:45
LeeJunFanAEnertia: I'm running vanilla here.04:45
AEnertiaVarious issues with badly implemented irq polling04:45
AEnertiafrom the various threads on the net i've read it seems that running native amd64 kern fixes most of the issues I was experiences04:46
LeeJunFanAEnertia: sure it's not just ACPI?04:46
AEnertiaLeeJunFan,  http://aenertia.net/megabook_m635.html04:46
LeeJunFanAEnertia: ah.04:46
AEnertiaTrust me it's not 04:46
AEnertiaI was hoping to put kubuntu 5.10 amd64 on his laptop this weekend.04:46
AEnertiaBut now i've learned that multilib is b0rked ... I won't 04:47
kairu0anyone have realplayer working?04:47
AEnertiathere are too many gotchas and I need whatever I put on to be seemless.04:47
AEnertiaI can fix everything... but the point is that I don't want to give the impression that linux is difficult04:47
AEnertiaSo... I will try 5.10 32bit first... 04:48
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AEnertiahow does 5.10 handle pcmcia ?04:49
AEnertiadoes it use pcmcia-cs utlis or the new pcmciautils package?04:49
AEnertiaFrom memory if ubuntu is using 2.6.12 it's probably using the older style 04:49
AEnertiawhich will break stuff if I put an amd64 kernel in.04:49
AEnertiaGah!... so will the ati drivers... Nope thats not going to work...04:50
LeeJunFanAEnertia: I dunno, I was wondering that myself before, but never got around to trying it.04:50
AEnertiaLeeJunFan,  well it will work fine as long as you don't have any external modules that need to be present04:50
LeeJunFanAEnertia: keep in mind too that the ATI drivers are not yet 2.6.14 friendly, but should work with 2.6.13 ok.04:50
LeeJunFanAEnertia: yeah, you'd have to compile all that ahead of time against the 64 bit kern.04:51
AEnertiaWell I was using 2.6.13 kernel last time I attacked this thing04:51
LeeJunFanAEnertia: stick with that for now.04:51
LeeJunFanAEnertia: I was good with that too, just not .14 yet.04:51
AEnertiaLeeJunFan, but the point is that reports are that 5.10's base kernel (which is 2.6.12-9 I beleive) fixes stuff on this chipset that is obviously not fixed in the vanila tree04:52
AEnertiahehe Vanila tree...04:52
LeeJunFanah, I see - so you are wanting the ubuntu patches.04:52
AEnertiaBut I will probably wipe off my image and just do a clean ubuntu install04:53
AEnertiaCoz my image doesn't have system management stuff. Which this guy will need04:53
AEnertiabtw is there a pkg for kmplayer and kmplayer_plugin in universe?04:54
AEnertiaI kmplayer_part plugin is THE best embeeded media plugin I have found. 04:55
LeeJunFannot in 32 bit, I think it's no more.04:55
AEnertiamuch better even that mplayerplugin on which it is based04:55
LeeJunFanyeah, only kaffeine now.04:55
AEnertiaOk I can live with compiling that 04:55
AEnertiayik kaffine04:55
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AEnertiamplayer in pkgs? how about mplayer-plugin-dev and libgecko-sdk?04:56
AEnertiaThat stuff is foul04:57
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AEnertiaor 100+04:57
LeeJunFandon't see either of those.04:57
AEnertia(which argueably are just as foul)04:58
AEnertiaThey are isotonic drinks04:58
AEnertiai.e meant to be good for you.04:58
AEnertiaman I can't beleive you havn't heard of Pocari sweat.04:58
LeeJunFanmplayer is of course, as in the plugin, but not dev.04:58
AEnertiaIt has cult status, because of it's strange name04:58
AEnertiamplayer source?04:59
LeeJunFanmy therapist says I can't join a cult.04:59
LeeJunFanprobably I don't have source in my apt list so I can't easily auto-complete those out :)04:59
AEnertiawhat about libgecko-sdk?05:00
LeeJunFancouldn't find it.05:01
AEnertiasorry to bug you.. I'm just trying to figure out what I'll need to get from source05:01
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LeeJunFanlibgecko2.0-cil  libgecko-cil05:01
AEnertiadunno what the cil affix is05:01
AEnertiaone more ... gtkpod05:01
AEnertia(needed for ipod support in amarok)05:02
LeeJunFanyeah, it's there.05:02
AEnertiaK... now all I need to pray the 32bit ubuntu kernel works05:02
LeeJunFanfags at FX took my show off.05:03
Sadisticwhat show?05:04
AEnertiado you know if the plugattached dhcp plugin is in 5.10 by default?05:04
LeeJunFanover there05:04
LeeJunFanAEnertia: I don't.05:04
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AEnertiai.e the thing that detects there is a cable in your ethernet device and runs dhcp only when that happens05:05
LeeJunFanAEnertia: yeah, I know what you mean, but I don't know how that's supported in ubuntu. I don't even have my ethernet configured :) I 05:06
LeeJunFanI'm sure they have something for that.05:07
LeeJunFanI think I remember reading something about that for wireless, but don't remember what it was. I do a lot of work on other peoples networks, some secure ones that sending anythign out an ethernet port by accident could be a bad idea. :) So I don't auto up any ethernet devices.05:08
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kkathmanhello all :)05:12
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kairu0hey all05:22
NCLifeits surprisingly quite now..05:24
nybbleHey Riddell05:24
NCLifeoh no, i was always on ubuntu, rofl05:24
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nybbleI hate being in #ubuntu05:25
kairu0NCLife, so does that make you a gnome user?05:25
NCLifeheh, no05:26
naliothnybble: dont start slingin any static in here, please. "Hate" is such a finite word05:26
NCLifei ve installed kubuntu just a couple of days ago, and this is the first time i use konversation05:26
nybblewell its true. Cant get a word in edge-wise half the time05:27
NCLifei used to be in ubuntu on mIRC, thats why i got confused05:27
nybbleRiddell: So, about con support for Kubuntu...05:28
naliothi dont think ridde11 is currently here05:28
jubeiI cant get glx to work in breezy using the run package install or the nvidia-glx-legacy packages.05:28
nybblei was just talking to him in u-meeting05:28
kairu0NCLife, i switched from xubuntu to kubuntu about a week ago05:29
jubeiwith the nvidia-glx package do you use the "nv" driver still?05:29
nybblejubei: no, nvidia05:29
nybblenot nv05:29
jubeiwhy doesnt the guide tell you to change it then?05:30
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cvogelExcuse me, I have a quick question.05:30
kairu0cvogel, shoot05:30
aeon17xcvogel: just ask and we'll see what we can do.05:30
cvogelI'm editing /etc/fstab to mount my windows partition.. but it's all permission protected and passing user as an option doesn't seem to help.. what arguments must I pass it to allow me to browse it without sudo05:31
kairu0cvogel, is it ntfs or fat32?05:31
Riddellnybble: ask me closer to the time and I may be able to get you CDs05:32
nybbleoki :D05:32
Riddellnybble: or ask me in about a month05:32
nybbleRiddell: no problem...05:32
Riddellnybble: and if you want to be the kubuntu t-shirtmanager you'd gett lots of those too 05:33
cvogel-- /dev/sda1  /windows   ntfs   defaults 0  0 -- that's the mount line05:33
nybblei have no problem with that. Where do I go for details on that position05:33
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Riddellnybble: you would have to design and order a bunch of t-shirts then post them out to people I say so (i.e. people organising KDE or kubuntu stalls at conferences)05:34
kairu0cvogel, if you want to write ntfs, you'll have to use an alternative ntfs file driver. ive never used it though05:34
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kairu0anyone help him with that?05:34
Riddellnybble: I should be able to get money out of canonical for that05:34
nybbleyay :D... ok.. i'll work on something then05:34
cvogelI just want to be able to read it primarily05:34
kairu0oh reading it is different05:35
Riddellnybble: where do you live?05:35
kairu0/dev/hda1            /windows/C           ntfs       noauto,ro,users,gid=users,umask=0002,nls=utf8 0 005:35
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nybbleheh. Hamilton, ON Canada05:35
nybblefairly close to Toronto05:36
cvogellet me give it a try05:36
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cvogelgreat! :)05:37
cvogelthanks a lot05:37
hbrednekAnyone out there have suggestions as to where I might get some kubuntu help?05:37
Riddellnybble: we would need a design that KDE exhibitors would be happy wearing, I'm thinking something with konqi and a KDE logo and a kubuntu logo05:37
naliothhbrednek: here would be a good place to start :)05:38
hbrednekOK, I have security problem05:38
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cvogelwhat is the gid?05:38
hbrednekIn particular, on a new installation I have been unable to access some of the screens that require "administrator" privileges05:38
cvogeland the umask and nls, lol?05:39
hbrednekI can 'sudo' to do about anything in a terminal window, 05:39
nybbleRiddell: i need to find some of its art then...05:39
Riddellhbrednek: I uploaded a fix for that an hour ago, it should be available tomorrow05:39
hbrednekOh, so this is a known problme?05:39
naliothhbrednek: yes it is05:40
Riddellnybble: kubuntu logo https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuArtwork05:40
nybblei knew about that...... Konqi is my current search05:40
Riddellnybble: http://kde.org/stuff/clipart.php kde logos and konqi05:40
Riddellnybble: http://kde.org/stuff/clipart/konqi-klogo-official-400x500.png is nice05:40
Riddelland has a high res version05:41
kkathmanback sorry...had to respond to an email05:41
hbrednekOK, then the normal technique would be to run Adept and things will get better?05:41
cvogelahh es.. gid = group id05:41
Riddellhbrednek: adept updater yes05:41
hbrednekOK then I'll run adept updater tomorrow and not bug anybody until then.  Thanks.05:42
Riddellhbrednek: in the mean time you can run kbuildsycoca to fix the problem05:42
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Riddell(not sudo)05:42
hbrednekrun kbuildsycoca from the command line?05:43
Riddellhbrednek: yes05:43
hbrednekOK, I'll try it.  The kubuntu machine is in another room.  This one's running ubuntu.05:43
nybbleTime to fire up my graphic workstation05:44
Riddellnybble: I need to go to bed now but if you could come with with a design with that konqi (high res version) and kubuntu logo then find a price for 50 or 100 t-shirts like that it would be cool05:46
RiddellI'm jriddell@ubuntu.com05:46
nybbleI'll work on it. :D05:46
nybbleShould have something within the next 3 days.05:47
Riddellnybble: KDE exhibitors used to get free t-shirts from kde league but that's dead now so canonical says if I fnd someone to manage them they'll pay for the same thing05:47
Riddellnybble: what's your name?05:47
nybbleJohn, and yours?05:48
RiddellJonathan :)05:48
nybble! :D05:48
ubotuWish i knew, nybble05:48
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ubotuthanks nybble :)05:48
nybbleok Riddell, I'll talk to you later then... btw. my email is nybbled@gmail.com05:49
hbrednekCool.  kbuildsycoca's magic was enough.  What does it actually do?05:50
frank23anyone know where I could find other freely accessible dns servers? my isp's dns servers seem very slow05:50
naliothRiddell: is the forwarding working now?05:50
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nybbleAlright riddell, I just emailed you to make sure it works...05:51
Riddellnalioth: forwarding?05:51
kairu0anyone know of any good apps?05:52
naliothRiddell: the email forwarding05:52
naliothkairu0: er, all of them?05:52
kairu0ok that was a bad question05:52
Riddellnalioth: it's always worked as far as I know05:52
kairu0any really good apps that you're impressed with right now05:53
naliothRiddell: just wondering05:53
nybblenybble@linux.ca... great forward :D05:53
Riddellkairu0: yakuake05:54
kairu0yakuake.. whats that?05:54
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nybblewell, i'm going to hit the hay aswell... in a few minutes atleast05:57
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propagandhiyeah yakuake is awesome06:11
kkathmangeez I just thought yakuake was a console :)06:11
propagandhiit is, but its so handy06:11
kkathmanhandy??  06:12
kairu0say anyone ever done this? paste a mysql table in an openoffice spreadsheet that dynamically updates06:12
kkathmanwhats the diff between konsole and yakuake?06:12
AEnertiatransparency support06:17
AEnertiabasically eyekandy06:17
kkathmankonsole has transparency06:17
AEnertiakkathman, not really06:17
AEnertiait has fake transparency06:17
kkathmanwell it does on my system fake or "real" lol06:17
AEnertiaMove it around and put some windows behind it06:17
AEnertiayou'll see what I mean06:17
kkathmanyah its a bit rough Im sure :)06:18
AEnertiayukakae support composite extensions and other stuff, so you get REAL transparency06:18
kkathmanI dont need all the fancy stuff...especially if Im gonna just run commands :)06:18
kkathmanI just put it in a desktop and go to it when I need it :)06:18
AEnertiaI think yukakae does some other stuff aswell06:18
kkathmanhow much CPU does it crank with the "eyecandy"06:19
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kkathmancuz superkaramba really spikes the cpu use06:20
naliothkkathman: and heats your house in winter06:20
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laszlokthats cause superkaramba does double buffering06:21
kkathmanlol true nalioth  :)06:21
kkathmandouble buffering...sounds satanic06:21
laszloksuperkaramba continues to process even when its behind windows, so if you move something quick it comes up quick06:21
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kkathmanThats why I went back to gkrelm...instead of my cynapses sK theme....CPU idles at 2% now not 22%06:22
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laszlokof course MacOSX does that for all the windows so you never have to wait for windows to draw thenselves06:22
naliothkkathman: psst, try conky06:22
gp_aaronhow well will kubuntu run on a p2 350 with 128MBs of ram?06:22
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kkathmangp_aaron: 128MB is pushing a KDE gui I'd say...but its "tolerable"06:23
kkathmanjust dont expect "performant"06:23
kkathmannalioth: try konqi for what?06:24
naliothkkathman: conky.sourceforge.net   not konqui06:24
kkathmanoh...uhm...for what?06:24
kkathmannalioth: im not having good luck compiling things recently :(06:24
gp_aaronkkathman, currently they are using windows 2000, and it takes nearly 5 minutes for firefox to open on account of the anti-spyware that they don't run, the spyware they get from not running the anti-spyware, the anti-virus06:24
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naliothkkathman: modern program in the vein of gkrellm. conky is waiting for you in the repos06:25
gp_aaronpersonally I don't like KDE06:25
gp_aaronbut i'm looking to make the seamless transition for them06:25
kkathmangp_aaron: I ran KDE on a 96MB machine and it would run, but spent most of its time caching.  I suspect with 128 it will do alot of that also.06:25
gp_aaronkkathman, it's really only going to run OpenOffice2, amsn/gaim, and firefox06:26
kkathmanI run Gnome on a 256MB Dell thats a P3 450 and its fine06:26
kkathmangp_aaron: you'll need more memory I think .. but you can try it06:26
gp_aaronupgrades are not a option06:27
gp_aaronit's my girlfriends computer06:27
gp_aaronand her dad06:27
naliothopenoffice sucks ram like a pig sucks swill06:27
gp_aaronthey are tight on cash, trying to save up for a new vehicle06:27
kkathmanreplacing Windows with Linux eh...thats not a bad choice for older computers...thats what I did06:27
gp_aaronkkathman, indeed06:27
Tallia1-KubuntuBhow can i change settings to cron in order to start updatedb for indexed locate only in at a certain time?06:28
AEnertiavectorlinux for olderhardware06:28
gp_aaronthat way I don't have to go over there every week to clean out the computer, now I can spend more time with her at her house, than with her computer at her house06:28
AEnertiaor if it's REALY old deli linux06:28
AEnertiawith pathetic office!06:28
gp_aaronAEnertia, i was going to go with slackware or arch06:28
kkathmangp_aaron: I got an old P3-450 Dell with 256mb and an older HP with 96MB both running ubuntu on my network as storage units...work like a champ06:28
AEnertiaworks on old 486 laptops with like 8mb06:29
AEnertiavectorlinux definately for anything with <=128mb06:29
gp_aaronkkathman, i have a 256 stick of ram in my drawer here but I don't know if it works or not06:29
kkathmangp_aaron:  I run Gnome on the Dell...very performant, and just run CLI on the HP06:29
AEnertiaubuntu will work fine on older hardware as long as they have lots of ram06:29
Tm_Tlike 64Mt06:30
kkathmanyep...and will recognize the older hardware components too better than most06:30
gp_aaronkkathman, my main box is gnome on a gig of ram 2.4 GHz p406:30
gp_aaroni'm happy away from debian06:30
AEnertiapersonally if you have good hardware then gentoo is the way.06:31
kkathmangp_aaron: yah my main is 1gb ram, AMD 2500+ no problems06:31
kkathmanGentoo is basically only good if you are going to compile alot...and then..its the best06:31
gp_aaronbeen there, hated it, thought I was so cool, left and pissed in the flower pot on the way out06:31
AEnertiagood hardware and a good net connection06:31
kkathmanthats just my opinion06:31
gp_aaronGentoo is no06:32
kkathmanlol 06:32
kkathmanGentoo is terrific for developers06:32
gp_aaronpersonally there is no better distro than arch06:32
kkathmanbut not for the average user and especially not for newbs06:32
gp_aaronbinary and source based06:32
gp_aaroni686 oriented06:32
kkathmangp_aaron: you might try XFCE instead of KDE on that machine...less overhead and you still get a nice GUI06:32
gp_aaronkkathman, nope06:33
AEnertiaarch seems kinda flakey to me. You could just use a custom gentoo stage4 install to get the same result.. and you still have portage06:33
gp_aaronkde looks/acts most like windows06:33
AEnertiawhich argueably is the best thing about gentoo06:33
gp_aarononly option06:33
AEnertiagp_aaron... icewm with ROX desktop06:33
AEnertiait's kde without the kde bloat06:33
gp_aaroni'm thinking I might give them my server..06:34
propagandhifor all that compile time, the benefits speed wise etc are so minimal its not funny06:34
kkathmangp_aaron:  there's actually another GUI that was designed to be a Windows look alike..but I forget...it begins with an X06:34
naliothkkathman: xpde06:34
propagandhithats it06:34
kkathmanyah thats it06:35
naliothtoo bad xpde is not truly open source. i'd love the irony of running it on my mac hardware06:35
kkathmanvery much like Windows06:35
kkathmannalioth:  hehe06:35
AEnertiathere is of course... always windowmaker06:35
kkathmanbut if you have a reluctant user that doesnt want a learning curve...its a choice I guess06:35
gp_aaronkde by choice06:36
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AEnertiastill think icewm with rox desktop is best low overhead windows look alike combo06:36
gp_aaroni'm seriously thinking about giving them my server06:36
jubeiwhat is the equivalent of /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modprobe.conf in ubuntu?06:36
AEnertiait's what vector uses by default06:36
kkathmangp_aaron: check out the XPDE web site you'd be amazed06:36
gp_aaronkkathman, been there06:36
gp_aarondone that06:36
gp_aaronnot what I'm looking for06:36
gp_aaronkde is my best option for them06:37
kkathmanthen they'll need more RAM06:37
gp_aaroni'm just trying to figure out if I can salvage my server or not06:37
kkathmanat least 51206:37
gp_aaronbut how well will it run on a 350?06:37
kkathmanbut probably tolerable with enough mem06:37
kkathmanbetter than their windows now I bet06:37
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gp_aaroni've got 256 in my server06:38
gp_aaronit's a amd k606:38
gp_aaroni can't remember the clock speed though06:38
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AEnertiaathlon 700 with 350mb is good06:39
AEnertiak6 will die06:39
AEnertiadie a horrible death at that06:39
ChousukeIf you have 256, I'd recommend XFCE406:39
ChousukeGnome wil run adequately too. Dunno about KDE06:40
AEnertiagp_aaron, use vectorlinux and all this is done for you06:40
stupendo44Is there anywhere I can get a list of "runtime variables". I know what  is, but what is %c or %i or %m?06:40
Chousukeeek. underlined text?06:40
stupendo44that was supposed to be % U, but it took it as underline06:40
AEnertiait's a 2.4 kernel06:40
AEnertia2.6 on k6 will kill it06:40
gp_aaroni also have my old bebox with 512 in it..06:41
Tm_TBob Marley & The Wailers - No Woman No Cry06:41
gp_aaronTm_T, sublime - No Woman No Cry06:41
kkathmaninstalled yakuake....cant change the footprint?? or restrict to one desktop?06:41
Tm_Tgp_aaron: :p06:41
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Chousukeoops :p06:41
gp_aaronTm_T, seriously I'm listening to it right now06:42
gp_aaronit started just before you said that06:42
Tm_Tgp_aaron: don't blame me06:42
gp_aaroni <3 mpd06:42
ChousukeBlame the kittens! of Doom.06:42
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ChousukeI should think of something useful to say, but I just don't feel like it :P06:43
kkathmanahh dont feel like there's pressure..relax :)06:43
KnowerrorsWhats the best kde cd cover creator?06:43
gp_aaronshit i have a project on bios due tomorrow06:45
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kkathmanBIOS...kind of a hard topic to write on06:47
kkathmanwebopedia :)06:47
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propagandhijust came out of XPDE, it sucks as expected06:51
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naliothpropagandhi: so it's a "good" windows look?06:52
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propagandhiit does an okay job at the look i guess06:52
propagandhibut it sucks to use, and it was buggy as anything06:53
propagandhidont think i'll be going there again06:53
kkathmanI kinda dont want a Windows look and feel :)06:54
propagandhisame here06:54
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milksteak_awesome band :)06:55
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propagandhiyes indeed06:57
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_marlonhow can I install grub in ohter HD ?07:01
propagandhi_marlon: grub-install /dev/hdaX or /dev/hdbX or /dev/hdcX depending on your setup, where X is the number of the partition07:02
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propagandhior if its a separate disk all together, leave off the X/number07:04
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_marlonIm in /dev/sda3 but I want install on /dev/sdb to load a linux in sdb when the sda down07:04
propagandhiok, so do grub-install /dev/sdb07:05
_marlonbut when I take off the /dev/sda the /dev/sdb will find him how /dev/sda?07:05
propagandhi_marlon: if grub is installed on both, whats the problem?07:06
_marlonIm install linux by debootstrap07:07
propagandhiinstalling grub to /dev/sdb wont remove it from /dev/sda if its installed there also07:07
_marlonHow can I install grub on /dev/sdb for the system thing the sdb its sda?07:07
propagandhi_marlon: ok... you're not making any sense here. What is your native language07:08
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_marlondev/sdb does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.07:08
_marlonI have hd sata07:09
_marlonand sorry my veeery bad english07:09
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Sadisticwhat does everyone suggest for an athlon 64 machine... AMD64 or (Intel x86) install CD07:12
AEnertiaSadistic, i38607:12
kkathmanAEnertia: really!?07:13
AEnertiacoz amd64 doesn't have mutlilib layout support (blame debian upstream) meaning getting 32bit apps to work is a pain07:13
Sadistic....if i knew what that was...07:13
kkathmanahhh wow really??07:13
Sadisticso i386 has better compatability with packages?07:13
kkathmanI need to find a good SK theme monitor that can read my sensors :(07:14
AEnertiaI mean not impossible but if your new to nix then it's probably alot easier for you07:14
naliothSadistic: you wont be able to use flash, or other entertainment things as easily on amd6407:14
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naliothkkathman: conky07:14
AEnertiayeah go with i386 if you want ubuntu07:14
Sadisticok so ill go with i386 thank you07:14
AEnertiaSuse 10 amd64 support is much better07:14
kkathmanconky kinda bites07:14
kkathmanbut Im sure its ok for some07:14
SadisticKunbuntu is the same distro..just with KDE right?07:14
Sadisticok, because im downloading that..07:15
AEnertiayou can just install regular ubuntu aswell and then apt-get/install via synaptic kubuntu-desktop 07:15
kkathmanI like the ubermon theme, but it doesnt have sensors...the cynapses does, but I cant get it to read the temp :(07:15
Sadistic... i really need to learn all this =/07:15
Sadistickubuntu will be my first distro.. =] 07:16
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AEnertiaSadistic, well ubuntu is pretty easy.. but I recomend you familiarise youself with the support wiki and forums for tips and tricks 07:17
AEnertiaspecially over media support07:17
Sadistick, thanks07:18
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Sadisticsome people told me to use Gentoo, but i didnt know how to install it =/07:18
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AEnertiaYeah gentoo is pretty daunting for first time users07:19
AEnertiaIf ubuntu anoys you or you want to switch to amd64 native then use suse 1007:19
Sadisticuh.. thanks...07:21
AEnertiabut I think you will be fine with ubuntu i386 =-)07:21
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Sadisticyeah im going to install it on a spare 160gig hdd07:21
Sadisticso nothing can go HORRIBLY wrong07:22
Sadistic*n00b insurance*07:22
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Sadisticwell, ok thanks all for the help07:26
Sadisticill be back after the install possibly tomorrow 07:27
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kkathmanit shouldnt take him that long :)07:36
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chakie_worktime to install kubuntu on this machine :)07:42
kdude#hello all!07:42
kdudeanybody here knows how to make MIDI play on a Audigy Value 207:43
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chakie_workhm, does kubuntu grok sata disks, btw?07:46
AEnertiait 'groks' them just fine07:46
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kairu0hey all07:47
kairu0hey kkathman 07:48
kairu0i use beat quake 207:48
kkathmanhi kairu0  :)07:48
kkathmanexcellent :)07:48
kairu0what r u doing?07:48
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DelvienWhat is a dangerous Temperature for a HDD?07:50
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kdudeanybody here knows how to make MIDI play on a Audigy Value 207:55
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nwo|onUnable to open parallel port device file "/dev/lp0": Permission denied       what can i do to fix that?08:03
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kairu0nwo|on, add yourself to the lp group08:05
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nwo|onok i test it..08:07
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nwo|onok it doesnt works...08:10
nwo|onsame failure: Unable to open parallel port device file "/dev/lp0": Permission denied08:10
fatejudgerparallel ports are great08:12
nwo|onand if a want to print a document (e.g. pdf document) this returns: lpr: error - unable to print file: client-error-not-found 08:12
kairu0theres also lpadmin group. maybe you should be in that08:12
fatejudgerprinting documents is great08:12
nwo|oni am in lp and lpadmin08:12
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nwo|onwhat can i do to fix this problem?08:15
nwo|onanyone any idea?08:15
fatejudgergod damnit08:18
fatejudgerifconfig and iwconfig aren't working anymore08:18
fatejudgermy laptop is going to hell08:18
nwo|onbad luck...08:19
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kairu0nwo|on, are you using cups?08:21
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hussamwhat's a good gtk2 theme that actually doesn't look ugly? firefox looks ugly using clearlooks and qtcurve08:25
kairu0hussam, install the ifox firefox theme08:25
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aftertafhussam> pimpfox :)08:30
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hussamkairu0, afteraf : thanks, I'm installing those08:32
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hussamsorry : aftertaf*08:33
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hussamaftertaf : are you sure of the name? I didn't find pimpfox08:34
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gibarianhey everyone08:39
fatejudgerhi gibarian?08:41
fatejudgerhave you a question for the people on #kubuntu?08:41
gibarianoh yes, I actually do08:43
gibarianit seems that suddenly I can't open apps which need root access via kdesu anymore...after entering the password, they simply die08:44
gibarianany idea what the problem could be?08:44
fatejudgerthat is a big problem08:47
fatejudgeryou see08:47
fatejudgerthe problem is that KDE is really buggy right now08:47
fatejudgerit seems as though everybody just got so excited about KDE 408:47
fatejudgerthey forgot KDE 3 existed08:47
fatejudgerso instead of working on KDE 308:48
fatejudgerthey just decided to use us all as guinea pigs for KDE 408:48
fatejudgerso KDE 3.5 was born08:48
fatejudgerhopefully the final version will be nice and stable08:48
fatejudgersome of the kdesu things you can't start08:48
fatejudgerespecially the ones in the system settings08:48
fatejudgerbut some like adep08:48
fatejudgerif you run it twice08:48
fatejudgeror three times08:48
fatejudgerit'll eventually pop up08:48
fatejudgerhopefully these problem will go away since KDE 3.5 is based on the KDE 4 framework08:49
fatejudgeror so I hear08:49
mornfallfatejudger: dude08:49
mornfallfatejudger: kdesu is so not original from kde in kubuntu08:49
mornfalland that's not a fscking kde fault08:50
fatejudgeryes it is08:50
fatejudgerit's KDE08:50
fatejudgergo into system settings08:50
fatejudgerand try and use the administration tools08:50
fatejudgerit doesn't work08:50
fatejudgerthose are KDE bugs08:50
mornfallthose are kubuntu bugs08:50
mornfallmy kde doesn't have any of those problems08:50
fatejudgerKubuntu uses KDE08:50
fatejudgeryes well08:50
fatejudgerdo you use 3.4.3?08:50
mornfallit's a 3.5 branch build08:51
mornfallon other machine 3.408:51
fatejudgerok well there you go!08:51
mornfallfrom debian packages08:51
mornfallnot a problem either08:51
fatejudgernot 3.4.308:51
fatejudger3.4.3 is crappy08:51
fatejudger3.4.2 was better08:51
fatejudger3.4.3 works out some bugs for 3.508:51
fatejudgerkdesu is part of kde08:51
fatejudgernotice the KDE part in KDESU08:51
fatejudgerit's a KDE program that uses sudo08:52
hussamfatejudger: kdesu originally use su but kubuntu patched it to use sudo08:52
mornfallfatejudger: yes, the interesting part is that (vanilla) kde doesn't use sudo08:52
mornfallfatejudger: at all08:52
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hussamfatejudger:hence it is a kubuntu bug08:52
mornfallfatejudger: it's a kubuntu patch... get your facts08:52
fatejudgerthere's no patch for it08:52
fatejudgerit's broken08:52
mornfalloh lord08:53
fatejudgershow me then08:53
fatejudgerwhere's the patch?08:53
fatejudgerdo you even use KDE 3.4.3?08:53
mornfallfatejudger: grab your dictionary08:53
fatejudgerKDE sucks now with Breezy08:53
fatejudgerit downright sucks08:54
fatejudgerthey should have just kept Hoary08:54
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mornfallsomeone had a bad morning huh?08:54
fatejudgerI can't believe that people with such a great toolkit and OOP language can't even code shit right08:54
hussamfatejudger: so if I understand correctly. you think hoary should be the last kubuntu?08:55
fatejudgerI think they shouldn't have released Breezy08:55
fatejudgerbecause it's buggy08:55
crimsunslow up08:55
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hussamit's not buggy here08:55
crimsunwhat precisely is your concern with Kubuntu 5.10?08:55
aftertafhussam> https://addons.mozilla.org/themes/moreinfo.php?id=456 pimpzilla 2.008:55
mornfallyeah, kubuntu could have used few more weeks of freeze08:55
mornfallbut, *shrug*08:55
fatejudgeryeah well, I could go on for at least 15 minutes on the problems I have with Breezy08:56
fatejudgernotably KDE08:56
DelvienHow do you mount an ISO to act as if it was a CD from your HD08:56
kainosany1 ?08:56
mornfallfatejudger: yeah, you had exactly 1 point, right?08:56
mornfallfatejudger: a kdesu bug08:56
fatejudgerwell that's one08:56
crimsunDelvien: sudo modprobe loop && sudo mount -o loop foo.iso /mnt08:56
mornfallfatejudger: and the rest? you didn't mention anything else so far08:56
fatejudgerif I wanted to list them all, I'd have to pastebin them all08:56
mornfallfatejudger: just lots of name-calling08:56
fatejudgerok well, lets see here08:56
hussamaftertaf: thanks for the link :)08:57
kainosdoes any1 have a complete guide for hylafax configuration08:57
fatejudgerit's got piss-poor support for configuring your system08:57
mornfallfatejudger: and you filed bugs for them right? you just list bug numbers08:57
fatejudgersystem settings wasn't ready for release08:57
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fatejudgercome to think of it, adept was barely ready for release08:57
kairu0you can say that again08:57
crimsunfatejudger: have you 1) spoken about them on kubuntu-{users,devel}?08:57
hussamfatejudger: you can always run kcontrol 08:57
fatejudgerthis window resizing problem08:57
fatejudgerreally blows08:57
crimsunfatejudger: and as mornfall said, what about bug #s?08:58
fatejudgersystem settings needs work08:58
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fatejudgerI have no bug numbers, I don't have time to report every problem I have with Linux08:58
fatejudgerI'd rather learn how to fix them myself08:58
aftertafi agree that some things arent finished... but these guys are doing kde, ubuntu etc ontheir free time, for a hobby....08:58
mornfallfatejudger: but you have time to rant here and waste everyone else's time, good08:58
aftertaffatejudger> that is a way you can contribute ;)08:58
crimsunfatejudger: filing bugs is time-consuming, yes, but it helps more than just you08:59
fatejudgeryes well, I have no idea how to apply my hobbyish knowledge of QT and my classroom knowledge of C++ in fixing bugs08:59
fatejudgerso here I am08:59
fatejudgerI wish I could fix these bugs myself08:59
fatejudgerbut apparently I can't08:59
frank23fatejudger: if you do get to fix your problems your self, it would be worthwhile to write on bugzilla what you did08:59
crimsunhow about working with the Kubuntu guys on it, then?08:59
crimsunyou don't have to fix them -by yourself-08:59
fatejudgereverybody already knows about these problems though08:59
hussamfatejudger: the least you can do is report the bugs you find to bugzilla.ubuntu.com08:59
fatejudgercrimsun: I no nothing about real-world software implementation09:00
hussamfatejudger: not every bug will appear on all computers09:00
fatejudgercrimsun: only classroom work and hobby related QT stuff09:00
crimsunfatejudger: what better place to start, then, than with KDE?09:00
aftertafin that way fatejudger i understand your frustration....09:00
fatejudgerwell nobody has told me how09:00
fatejudgerthey just give me a link09:00
fatejudgerand expect me to know what the hell I'm doing09:01
mornfallfatejudger: that's not much to give an opinion like [08:59:14]  < fatejudger> I can't believe that people with such a great toolkit and OOP language can't even code shit right09:01
fatejudgerI'm not used to developing and debugging such huge programs09:01
fatejudgerI have no idea where to start09:01
fatejudgeryeah well, it is sad09:01
fatejudgerQT 4 is great09:01
crimsunfatejudger: well, window resizing stuff is probably going to be related to the window manager -- if you can reproduce it for all apps in kwin09:01
mornfalloh, and just FYI, C++ is a multiparadigm language not oop09:01
mornfalland qt sort of sucks09:01
mornfallbut yeah, you know the best09:01
fatejudgermornfall: QT is great compared to GTK09:01
mornfall(and so does kdelibs etc...)09:02
mornfallfatejudger: oh, sure... so what?09:02
mornfallfatejudger: windows is great compared to dos09:02
fatejudgermornfall: so, do you have any better way of implementing a toolkit?09:02
crimsunfatejudger: so try starting by using apt-get source kwin09:02
hussamaftertaf : it won't install . it gives some guid error09:02
aftertafahh... :/09:02
mornfallfatejudger: no, but it's being worked on... thing's don't happen like *zap* and it's perfect09:02
mornfallyou could have learned that by now09:02
fatejudgercrimsun: that doesn't really help me09:02
_xuniLokey i have 2 broken packages and i cant gett rid om the09:02
fatejudgercrimsun: I could get the source from subversion09:03
fatejudgercrimsun: but I still wouldn't know what to do with it09:03
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fatejudgercrimsun: I have no idea how people debug without knowing what every function does09:03
crimsunfatejudger: think about the problems you're seeing09:03
fatejudgercrimsun: and how all of the classes work09:03
crimsunfatejudger: well, you should work with the KDE developers09:03
fatejudgercrimsun: I wish I could09:04
mornfallfatejudger: with half-decent code you can infer half of that and you read only the relevant parts09:04
crimsunyou're not expected to know everything right off the bat09:04
mornfall(i'd classify kde code as half-decent...)09:04
fatejudgercrimsun: well there really isn't anyone to get people started09:04
fatejudgerKDE code is pretty good09:04
crimsunfatejudger: have you filed a bug on it?09:04
fatejudgera bug on what?09:04
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crimsunfatejudger: this simple example, the resizing issue(s)09:05
mornfallwhatever problems you have... i bet there's already lots of duplicate reports about kdesu09:05
mornfallcrimsun: what are the resizing issues, btw?09:05
fatejudgermost likely09:05
fatejudgerthe resizing issues apply to system settings09:05
crimsunmornfall: I have no idea, I'm just using an example fatejudger mentioned09:05
mornfallah heh09:05
fatejudgerwhere it just goes out of the resolution09:05
naliothwhy do i constantly feel my konqueror in file mangling mode should be called "krasherer"?09:05
mornfallguidance is silly, IMO09:05
fatejudgerespecially for people like me with tiny monitors09:06
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fatejudgerthe only reason I haven't switched to Gnome already is because I'm pro-QT and pro-C++09:07
fatejudgerGnome definately is faster09:07
fatejudgerand tons of useful apps are being developed on it09:07
mornfallyeah, it also very quickly prints -- junk09:07
mornfallfatejudger: like?09:07
mornfallname one :)09:07
fatejudgerlike wireless utilities09:07
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fatejudgerand firefox is integrated in Gnome09:07
mornfallfatejudger: that's utility not app, though09:08
crimsunwell, aside from what you like and dislike, fatejudger, I'd rather just drill down to the issues you have with Kubuntu 5.1009:08
mornfalland firefox is about as gnome as gimp is kde09:08
fatejudgercrimsun: I would prefer to help fix things in some productive way rather than complaining09:08
fatejudgercrimsun: but I can't really see any other option given that I don't know how to fix things09:08
mornfallfatejudger: but you don't :)09:08
crimsunfatejudger: ...which is what I've been attempting to do with you.09:08
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crimsununfortunately, you choose to drone incessantly about unrelated drivel09:09
naliothany ideas on when konqueror will not require crash helmets to use?09:09
fatejudgernalioth: KDE 4?09:09
mornfallfatejudger: right, you would have to invest something to learn and that's, uh, oh, ... you rather rant, that's easier... c'mon, talk is cheap09:09
fatejudgerI'd rather learn09:09
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mornfallso why you don't?09:09
fatejudgerbecause, I've already tried09:10
fatejudgerit takes me too long, then I get a headache and have to go to sleep09:10
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fatejudgerpeople just give me links09:10
crimsunfatejudger: two hints: download the breezy kwin source, and file a bug on kwin for breezy09:10
fatejudgerand commands to apt get source09:10
frank23<fatejudger> crimsun: I would prefer to help fix things in some productive way rather than complaining    <fatejudger> I have no bug numbers, I don't have time to report every problem I have with Linux09:10
fatejudgerwhat does kwin do?09:10
fatejudgerfrank23: lol09:11
frank23fatejudger: you're not very consistent09:11
fatejudgerfrank23: well that's just misleading09:11
crimsunfatejudger: it's the window manager09:11
fatejudgercrimsun: what does the window manager have to do with the kdesu problem?09:11
crimsunfatejudger: have you determined if all KDE apps have a resizing issue?09:11
fatejudgercrimsun: or are you refering to the system settings problem?09:11
fatejudgercrimsun: only system settings09:11
fatejudgercrimsun: I can't click on certain buttons, or resize the window09:11
fatejudgercrimsun: it locks itself09:11
crimsunfatejudger: so the bug is probably in kcontrol (the control center, right)?09:12
fatejudgercrimsun: I'm forced to use kcontrol, which between you and me really sucks09:12
mornfallfatejudger: what about alt-drag? a decent workaround, i'd say09:12
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mornfalloh my!09:12
mornfallpoor soul09:12
fatejudgeralt drag?09:12
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mornfallhe has to use kcontrol09:12
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mornfalllet's all mourn for a minute or two09:12
mornfallfor poor fatejudger who would have to use kcontrol09:12
fatejudgeryes well, system settings was a step in the right direction09:12
frank23crimsun: no kcontrol can scroll through modules while systemsettings can't I think09:13
Holehow to use dial up connection09:13
crimsunfrank23: ah, ok. I haven't used Kubuntu 5.10, so I'm in the dark here.09:13
mornfallfatejudger: good that you complain that systemsettings shouldn't have been released...09:13
fatejudgermornfall: well it shouldn't have09:13
fatejudgermornfall: it should have been released later09:13
mornfallfatejudger: so stop using goddamnitalready09:13
mornfallfatejudger: you can safely ignore it's existence09:13
mornfalland voila, it's not released for you09:13
mornfallhappy now?09:13
fatejudgermornfall: because I'd rather fix it or complain and have other people fix it09:14
mornfallfatejudger: people will fix it regardless of your incoherent rants09:14
fatejudgerthey're hardly incoherent09:14
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mornfallso just spare us09:14
fatejudgerI have problems, they're quite real and legitimate09:14
naliothcrimsun: any ideas on a konqueror recompile toward lessening the crashes?09:14
fatejudgerand they happen on Breezy09:15
mornfallfatejudger: so what?09:15
mornfallfatejudger: everyone and their uncle have their problems09:15
fatejudgerwhy do I never hear shit like this from the Gnome group?09:15
fatejudgerI think they have their shit together09:15
mornfallfatejudger: make a service to community, go use gnome instead, pretty please09:16
fatejudgerGnome sucks09:16
fatejudgerI'm not going to use Gnome09:16
gibarianuh, anyone know how to set up a TCP/IP network with a windows XP computer?09:16
fatejudgergibarian: yes09:16
mornfallgibarian: i know i know! intsall an operating system on the box :-)09:16
gibarianfate: right....got a bit of time, so I can explain my set up?09:17
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fatejudgergibarian: sure, go ahead09:17
mornfallcould you maybe move elsewhere with windows xp setup issues? =)09:17
fatejudgermornfall: would having me solve problems in your presence instead of complain invalidate your argument?09:17
frank23The biggest problem that I know of in kubuntu breezy is the going to administration in kcontrol that often doesn't work. on the ubuntu bugzilla they link to the upstream bug on the kde bugzilla. Is there any way to put pressure somewhere to get this fixed? It makes kubuntu almost unusable (with the default install and without using workarounds)09:17
Holewhy my kubuntu doesn't shutdown completely09:18
crimsunnalioth: I'd have to be able to reproduce the crashers09:18
gibarianfatejudger: alright...Ive got a DSL line connected to a speedtouch 510, which acts as a router...connected to that is a hub, into which i've plugged my kubuntu box and the XP machine...09:18
mornfallfatejudger: no, because you are helping completely off topic09:18
Holewhat's wrong with that09:18
crimsunnalioth: (don't have Kubuntu 5.10 currently, so I'm queued for download)09:18
fatejudgergibarian: ok09:18
gibarianfatejudger: both kubuntu and XP are connected to the Internet, but somehow I can't seem to get a connection between both09:18
fatejudgergibarian: you should be able to run the network setup wizard, or you could do it manually09:18
naliothcrimsun: this is hoary that it keeps crashing on with kde 3.4109:19
fatejudgergibarian: you mean Samba?09:19
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crimsunnalioth: hmm, not using the kubuntu.org hoary-updates repo for hoary?09:19
gibarianfatejudger: well, when I ping the internal IP of the XP machine, I don't get a reply09:19
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naliothcrimsun: where are they?09:19
gibarianfatejudger: and I guess for Samba to work, I need to at least be able to ping, right?09:20
fatejudgergibarian: well that's strange09:20
fatejudgergibarian: yes, you do09:20
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fatejudgergibarian: and there shouldn't be any problem09:20
fatejudgergibarian: you said both of your computers can connect to the internet right?09:20
fatejudgergibarian: do they both have valid IPs in the same subnet?09:20
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cyneanyone know which package the htpasswd utility is in?09:21
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Holelike 192.168.0.x and 192.168.7.xx09:21
Holelike 192.168.0.x and 192.168.0.xx09:21
gibarianfatejudger: yes, both have valid IPs, both are connected...and I just checked and noticed that I CAN ping my kubuntu box via the XP machine, but not the other way round09:21
mornfallfirewall anyone?09:22
crimsunnalioth: http://kubuntu.org/packages/hoary-kde343/09:22
fatejudgergibarian: mornfall is right09:22
fatejudgergibarian: check for a Windows firewall09:22
gibarianfatejudger: ah, ok...that seems sensible, haha..sure, god, I'm a fool09:22
fatejudgergibarian: they love to stick them on there by default09:22
fatejudgergibarian: especially in SP209:22
mornfallgibarian: *but*09:22
naliothcrimsun: ah, yes i've got that, do they have ppc binaries yet?09:23
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mornfallgibarian: make sure your router is doing a good job at protecting your winxp from outside first09:23
mornfallgibarian: (i'm not sure nat is enough, it could...)09:23
crimsunnalioth: doesn't look like it. Do you have ~5 GB free on your HD?09:23
naliothcrimsun: well i guess i could build it from scratch09:24
naliothcrimsun: 5gb for what?09:24
mornfallanyway, maybe i should do some work instead :)09:24
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gibarianfatejudger: yeah, well, XP keeps telling me that I shouldn't set up the network like that...but apparently, that's the only way09:24
crimsunnalioth: to build them using pbuilder (you'll need the .diff.gzs, .orig.tar.gzs, and .dscs09:24
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fatejudgergibarian: that's because XP is stupid09:25
fatejudgergibarian: which is why you're probably using Linux in the first place09:25
fatejudgergibarian: most people using XP are stupid and let viruses and malware into their computers09:25
fatejudgergibarian: so they warn people like crazy on SP2 now09:26
fatejudgercrimsun: do you have a little time?09:26
aftertafwarning, turning on your computer can make it vulnerable to attack.09:26
davehelp irq14 nobody cared error with 2.6.12-9-386 kernal09:26
fatejudgeraftertaf: lol09:26
crimsunfatejudger: I was heading to bed, but sure. What's up?09:27
gibarianfatejudger: if it was me, I wouldn't even touch XP....it's my gf's machine, and we want to share the printer09:27
fatejudgercrimsun: I was hoping you and I could find some small bug on KDE and I could learn how to download the source, debug and fix it, then upload the fix09:27
fatejudgercrimsun: if it wouldn't be too much trouble09:27
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fatejudgergibarian: that shouldn't be too hard09:28
fatejudgergibarian: I have a similar setup09:28
fatejudgergibarian: with Kubuntu and XP09:28
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gibarianfatejudger: alright, I can ping now...now I'll just have to use Samba, right?09:29
daveanyone able to help with this error i get on boot up ?09:29
daveCLUG <linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz>09:29
daveCLUG <linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz>09:29
fatejudgergibarian: yeah, apt-get install samba09:30
fatejudgerand you should be up and running09:30
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crimsunfatejudger: ok, what bug did you have in mind? Keep in mind not every bug can be researched and resolved in an hour...09:30
daveoppps should be irq14 nobody cared09:30
manverudave: what is your problem?09:30
fatejudgergibarian: which computer is the printer on?09:30
fatejudgercrimsun: of course not09:30
gibarianfatejudger: it's actually already installed...I'm trying to set it up right now...printer's connected to the Kubuntu box09:30
manverudave: is that a message from a log-file?09:30
fatejudgercrimsun: which area of KDE do you think would be best to go bug searching in?09:31
fatejudgercrimsun: I doubt we could diagnose the window resizing issue in under an hour09:31
manverufatejudger: kopete :)09:31
davegot an error using kernal 2.6.12-9-386 (breezy) udated from hoary) using older kernal at the moment09:31
fatejudgermanveru: eh, I don't care for Kopete09:31
fatejudgermanveru: the Gaim developers are great09:31
manverufatejudger: i wanted to try gaim anyway... but i hate the design - are there good skins?09:32
fatejudgermanveru: if you can forgive it's uglyness, it's a damn good IM client09:32
daveerror ---- irq14 nobody cared think it's refering to the pci 09:32
mornfallevery gui im client i have seen was crap, gaim leading09:32
fatejudgermanveru: it uses GTK09:32
fatejudgermanveru: just use the QT-GTK engine09:32
manverufatejudger: i'll try that, because kopete is unstable like an iceberg on a vulcan09:32
manverudave: well, how did you install the kernel?09:33
fatejudgermanveru: yeah, although it's a nice try at a QT IM client09:33
manverudave: and what's your system09:33
fatejudgermanveru: the latest version of gaim is on apt btw09:33
manverufatejudger: k, fetching it09:33
davevia adept ibm amd50009:33
crimsunfatejudger: give me a couple minutes, need to wash dishes09:34
manverudave: and you tried to install the k7-kernel?09:34
manverufatejudger: well, the next big issue is of course the resizing-problem from the system-config-windows...09:34
fatejudgercrimsun: ok, no problem09:34
fatejudgercrimsun: I'll try and find a good bug in the meantime09:34
davemanveru errr no just used the cdrom i'd burned to update hoary first then used adept to pull updates down09:35
manverudave: you used apt-get dist-upgrade ?09:35
davemanveru I didn't know there was a k7 kernel out there.09:35
davemanveru no i used the gui interface (ADEPT) to do the updating09:36
davefrom the reading i did before hand i thought it'd be as good09:37
manverudave: well, i would recommend a clean install - but i think there might be something wrong then09:38
mornfalldave: full upgrade == dist-upgrade09:38
mornfallmanveru: clean install, that's a windows thing09:38
manverudave: what cards are on your motherboard?09:38
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davemornfall only a isa modem card using to link to the net with09:39
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davemornfall thought that as i'd also used the ADEPT wizard to do the updating with09:40
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davemanveru sorry only a isa card video etc is onboard the motherboard09:40
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manverudave: i am not experienced enough to help you over great lenths on that09:41
manverudave: isn't there a good kernel-channel?09:41
manverulike #kernel-oops09:42
manveruor #ubuntu-kernel09:42
davemanveru me neither but hoped someone here could help, 09:42
davemanveru not really a irc user (supose i should do it more often tho09:43
manveruvisit these two channels - i am sure the people there can help you09:43
crimsunfatejudger: ok, shoot09:43
manverudave: just click on the channels09:44
fatejudgercrimsun: I've been looking for bugs09:44
fatejudgercrimsun: I haven't really found one09:44
fatejudgercrimsun: to tell you the truth, I don't know which ones to look for09:44
fatejudgercrimsun: since I don't know which ones I can solve09:44
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crimsunfatejudger: well, which one is most annoying to you?09:45
fatejudgercrimsun: you mean one of my problems?09:46
crimsunfatejudger: sure09:46
fatejudgercrimsun: well that would have to be the "system settings" window resizing problem09:46
fatejudgercrimsun: with the "kdesu not working in system settings" problem coming in at a close second09:47
crimsunfatejudger: ok, I'm not familiar with either, so can you point me to bug reports?09:47
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fatejudgercrimsun: would system settings be a KDE or Kubuntu bug?09:48
davemornfall can you help me at all ?09:50
crimsunfatejudger: is "system settings" specific to Kubuntu, or does KDE proper use it as well?09:50
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fatejudgercrimsun: that's what I asked you09:51
crimsunI guess it's Kubuntu-specific09:51
fatejudgercrimsun: yeah09:51
crimsun"The traditional KDE Control Center has been replaced with KDE System Settings. This change is not part of KDE, but is unique to Kubuntu."09:51
fatejudgercrimsun: it's a smart decision09:51
fatejudgercrimsun: more like Windows, and more functional09:52
fatejudgercrimsun: the window resizing problem kills it though09:52
fatejudgercrimsun: should I get the kwin source?09:52
crimsunfatejudger: no, it seems "system settings"-specific from your description09:52
fatejudgercrimsun: oh that's right, it's a Kubuntu thing09:53
crimsunyou'll need to apt-get source kde-systemsettings09:53
fatejudgercrimsun: does the mean we can't debug it?09:53
fatejudgercrimsun: do you have Breezy?09:53
crimsunfatejudger: yes, I'm using Ubuntu 5.1009:54
fatejudgercrimsun: ok, I got the source09:54
crimsunfatejudger: the next step is to reproduce the crash so that you can get a backtrace from within gdb09:55
fatejudgercrimsun: but it isn't a crash09:55
fatejudgercrimsun: it just won't let me resize09:55
fatejudgercrimsun: watch, go into system settings -> network settings09:56
fatejudgercrimsun: you'll see what I'm talking about09:56
crimsunfatejudger: (I use GNOME)09:56
fatejudgercrimsun: oh geez09:57
fatejudgercrimsun: I guess this isn't going to work then09:57
crimsunfatejudger: please read kde-systemsettings-0.0svn20050613/systemsettings/HACKING for an overview09:57
davecrimsun know anything about nobody cared errors when booting with kernel 2.6.12-9-386?09:58
crimsundave: that's more directly related to your hardware, not the kernel09:59
manverudave: got no help in the oops-channel?09:59
crimsundave: what precisely is the error spew?10:00
daveManveru no didn't appear to be busy - then i'm on 56K10:00
davecrimsun [71.970458]  irq14 nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option) 10:01
davecrimsun [71.971584]  [<08894a07>]  (ide_intr x0x0/0xed [idle_core] )10:03
fatejudgercrimsun: ok, I read the file10:03
fatejudgercrimsun: do all programs have this file?10:03
davecrimsun  and basically lots of similar output going into a loop of trys re-trys10:03
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fatejudgercrimsun: well it's late here so I think I'll go to bed10:05
fatejudgercrimsun: maybe you'll be on tomorrow and I can finish this then10:06
davecrimsun do you think it'd be better to apt-get dist-upgrade again than use ADEPT wizard ?10:07
crimsunfatejudger: sure, just ping me.10:08
fatejudgercrimsun: ping you?10:08
crimsundave: does your hardware seem to operate in a crippled mode?10:08
crimsunfatejudger: yes, as in "crimsun: ping"10:09
fatejudgerI see10:09
fatejudgercrimsun: ping10:09
crimsunI can't guarantee that I'll answer immediately, check my away message10:09
davewith the older kernel (from hoary no it doesn't)10:09
fatejudgercrimsun: I just realized something10:09
fatejudgercrimsun: QT handles all of this resizing10:09
naliothcrimsun: whining awaits you offtopic10:10
crimsunnalioth: yes, it takes me a while to cycle through all these irssi buffers10:10
fatejudgercrimsun: is it possible that embedding these utilities in this system settings window confuses QT?10:10
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fatejudgercrimsun: it looks like system-settings auto sizes the windows10:10
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crimsundave: does that mean with breezy's 2.6.12-9 that it does?10:11
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crimsundave: as in the machine functions in a sluggish/suboptimal manner?10:11
crimsunfatejudger: then you'll want to check the autosizing logic10:11
crimsunthough I don't know why it would touch that.10:12
fatejudgercrimsun: touch what?10:12
crimsunfatejudger: the actual window10:12
davecrimsun i cannot boot using breezy's kernel at all currently using 2.6.10-5 from 5.04 (hoary)10:13
davecrimsun what i have is the new kde etc just not the breezy kernel 2.6.9-12-38610:14
fatejudgercrimsun: this is confusing me10:14
crimsundave: ok, so have you tried booting with irqpoll appended to the kernel command line?10:14
fatejudgercrimsun: apparently it doesn't auto size10:14
davei sort of think it's to do with the APCI (auto shutdown mode or is it APC)10:14
fatejudgercrimsun: that's was some object that did that10:15
fatejudgercrimsun: *that10:15
fatejudgercrimsun: apparently it just uses the defaults10:15
fatejudgercrimsun: maybe it inherits the sizes from the other widgets10:15
fatejudgercrimsun: ugh, this is getting too confusing for me to deal with at this time of night10:15
fatejudgercrimsun: I'll ping you tomorrow10:15
davecrimsun No as i'm a complete FNG with kernels and what switches can be used10:15
crimsundave: ok, do you remember the GRUB boot menu?10:16
davecrimsun yup played with it to get windows working on anotherr HD or a while10:17
davecrimsun do i tag the irqpoll to the end of it ?10:18
crimsundave: yup, edit the kernel line using 'e', then boot10:18
davecrimsun here is the line i propose to alter kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-386 root=/dev/hda7 IRQPOLL ro quiet splash (text in caps would be inserted10:21
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crimsundave: lowercase10:22
davecrimsun ya it will be but to highlight it to you :)10:22
davewith ADEPT is there any way of saving what you've downloaded and then close it down (like with apt-get --download?)10:26
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crimsunit'd be bizarre if it weren't downloaded to /var/cache/apt/archives/10:27
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egonwDoes anyone have k3b working on breezy/amd64? It does not work for me :(10:34
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andrzejsomebody can upload me on email your file /etc/asound.conf e-mail: arialis111@interia.pl10:55
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gibariananyone familiar with that error message? "sudo: unable to lookup  via gethostbyname()"11:13
naliothgibarian: yes. your hosts file is not correct11:14
naliothgibarian: put that error line into the forums and see if there's a fix11:14
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gibarianahh...ok...I set up an ethernet card yesterday, and since then I've been getting this message and kdesu is broken11:15
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gibariananother question...anyone know how to get skype installed? I get a dependency error message, telling me I need to install libt3c102-mt....which I can't install11:17
naliothgibarian: i'd come back later and ask in here or ask in #ubuntu.11:17
gibariannalioth: alright, thanks11:18
naliothgibarian: can you open a terminal and type "sudo gedit /etc/hosts" ?11:18
painesgibarian, take the skype static version11:19
mp3guygibarian, download the rpm version, alien it, then install it11:19
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stratovariushey all11:45
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ubotuA list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic11:58
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Praha2hello everybody12:03
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Kamping_Kaiserhi mate12:07
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mp3guyso, why use kubuntu instead of ubuntu12:08
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Kamping_Kaiserif you like KDE12:08
mp3guyi find it faster than gnome12:10
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yasseri find gnome faster! but i like kde more than anything else12:12
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Flixorhi everybody i am looking for a good virus program for linux12:38
Flixorfor using with kmail12:39
Kamping_Kaiserclamav probably12:39
Flixoris that a good one 12:39
Kamping_Kaiseryes. hence the recomendation :P12:39
nalioththere is a kmail plugin, iirc for clamav12:40
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Flixorbut is the plugin not standard installed with kmail12:40
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Kamping_Kaiserhi apokryphos12:40
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apokryphosKamping_Kaiser: hey, how you doin'?12:42
Kamping_Kaisernot bad :) self?12:42
apokryphosyeah, good; things going well generally12:42
Kamping_Kaiserjust orgaising a passport so i can go to linuxconf au12:42
weasl77more help please with Epson Stylus 740 printer ..12:43
apokryphosKamping_Kaiser: been to one before?12:43
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Kamping_Kaiseri cant weasl77 sorry, if it didnt 'just work' i have no idea ;(12:43
weasl77have downloaded the cupsys- -gimpprint from debian and extracted the .gz: have 2 more  .gz, so what now?12:44
Kamping_Kaiserapokryphos: no i havent, so I'm realy looking forward to it12:44
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weasl77thanks though k_k12:44
Kamping_Kaiserpity i missed last year - was in Adelaide12:44
Kamping_Kaiserweasl77: is ubuntu missing the driver you need?12:44
apokryphoswhat are they like? Only really heard about them a little12:44
weasl77tried the gimpprint driver included, but still no go. It does sometimes printhe test page ok ...12:45
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Kamping_Kaiserapokryphos: i don't realy know12:49
Kamping_Kaisernever gone to one ;)12:49
apokryphosbut worth it, I take it12:50
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apokryphoswow; how many people knew about kpager's launch mode? Never seen it before01:08
apokryphos(i.e. just alt+f2 -> kpager)01:08
apokryphosreminded me of enlightenment01:08
Prague2hi guys, anyone who can point me to solve a problem with my laptop? i have an acer with breezy on and it seems i cannot watch the status of my battery on klaptop though i think the acpi is working :/01:09
weasl77what is the difference between  a canon, epson and normal parallel port?01:16
weasl77(for the epson 740: tried the usb, and it is printing only in raw)01:16
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cb_grhow much space does HD Kubuntu need01:30
_gab2 gb01:30
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_adamdoes anyone know what make error 2 means?01:35
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manveru_adam: there must be additional information01:37
|mp|anyone have serious problems, crash, freeze etc., with latest OOo in (K)Ubuntu?01:37
_adamthe command i gave was make && sudo make install01:37
manveru_adam: could you paste the stuff from the console to http://rafb.net/paste ?01:38
cb_grmorning folks01:39
_adamhere it is:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/uMfusS93.html01:40
manveruhave you install build-essentials?01:42
_adamdon't know what htey are so prob not01:42
_adamcan i do it with adept?01:42
manverujust search for build-essentials01:43
_adamworking on it...01:43
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_adamsame error, now just repeated twice (for emphasis?!)01:47
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manveru_adam: not sure...01:48
_adamwhat about that +ed?01:49
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_adamwat is that?01:49
manverucorrection :)01:50
manveru"have you install[+ed]  build essentials?"01:50
cb_gris it safe, i.e wont lose info, to resze an existing partition during the kubuntu install?01:50
manverucb_gr: partitioning is never safe...01:50
manverucb_gr: but that depends on what partition it is01:51
_adamha ha01:51
manverucb_gr: have a look at qtparted01:51
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cb_grmanveru, i currently have a very large /home partition. i am thinking about shrinking it by about 10 gig to install kubuntu01:51
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Chameleon22hi all, can anyone recommend a nice monitoring application... likes of nagios but something different (big brother is not an option)01:54
manverucb_gr: i wouldn't trust the ubuntu-installer too much when it comes to partitions01:55
cb_grthanks manveru, 02:03
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kokolut all02:29
kokoEst-ce que quelqu'un peu m expliquer pourquoi mon fichier resolv.conf ce met a jour tt seul02:30
kokoet bien sur je veu pas qu'il le fasse bien sur02:30
aftertafsais pas mais bind me gonfle grave en ce moment......02:30
aftertafy a quoi qui change?02:30
kokoen fait, j'ai mes dns que je rentre dedans02:31
kokoDNS wanadoo02:31
aftertafet tu les perds?02:31
kokoet lui il me remet automatikement la passerelle02:31
kokodu router02:31
aftertafip par dhcp ou static?02:31
kokoc chiant, parcek je suis oblier de les reconfig a tt bout de champs02:31
kokoip par dhcp02:32
aftertafdhcp pouss par ton router?02:32
kokocomment ca?02:32
aftertafou par wanadoo dhcp.....?02:32
kokonon c mon router, pas wanadoo02:33
kokoje precise que mon router est pas top02:33
aftertafy a pas un changement de config du router pour qu'il te donne une autre passerelle?02:33
kokonon, je peu pas donner les DNS dans le route02:34
kokoc bien la le pb, c'est vraiment une plait ce router02:34
_davidHow do compile php5 with session support using apt-get? is that possible?02:34
aftertafah.... koko fais un ti script qui rm ton resolv.conf et le recree a chq cnn ??02:35
aftertafgenre une grosse bidouille bien grasse ;)02:35
kokobah je sans qui ya plus que ca a faire02:35
aftertafcibiche ;)02:36
kokoje verai si d'autre on la soluce, sinon m'en retourne sur Gentoo02:36
kokosur ma gentoo, j'ai pas le pb, c'est bizard, une foi qu'il est config, ca me fait plus chier02:37
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nalioth_zZzkoko: are there no people in #ubuntu-fr ?02:41
nalioth_zZzi see. aftertaf to the rescue02:41
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kokonalioth_zZz> ???? francais please02:43
apokryphoswoooooo, mouse gestures f-i-nally with khotkeys02:43
ubotuVa a #ubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais02:43
apokryphosalso #kubuntu-fr , koko02:43
kokoexcuse me, 02:43
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gruzchiki need some help :-(03:04
gruzchiki    can't  install divx codec03:04
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apokryphosgruzchik: install w32codecs and xine/mplayer03:07
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cb_gri just installed Kubuntu and dont have sound in the gaim program, is this a known issue and is there a fix?03:20
gruzchikapokryphos: Thank you :-)03:23
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cb_gri just installed Kubuntu and dont have sound in the gaim program, is this a known issue and is there a fix?03:30
StRcb_gr: try using kopete instead of gaim?03:30
Tm_TKopete <303:30
StRcb_gr: kde uses a sound server called arts, and gnome uses gstreamer03:31
cb_grso a fix would be to install gstreamer03:31
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StRcb_gr: gaim is trying to reach gstreamer, but arts is using the sound device.... so you will not hear anything in gaim untill you shutdown arts03:31
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StRcb_gr: I recommend you to try kopete03:32
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cb_grStR: i have, 03:32
cb_grStR: ty, you helped me fix it03:33
StRcb_gr: you are wellcome03:33
cb_grthere is a setting for using arts in gaim, i didnt know kde used arts 03:34
StRcb_gr: ahh if gaim can use arts then it is ok03:35
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cynecan someone tell me which package to install to get htpasswd ?03:54
rikvacyne: apache?03:55
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raphinkcyne: apache2-utils03:57
cynerikva: oh? thankyou how did you find that out?03:57
raphinkI used kio-apt :)03:58
raphinkbut I think it can be done with apt-get in console too03:58
BlankCapt-cache search htpasswd03:58
raphinkthat might not do it BlankC 03:58
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BlankCmight not...but in this case it did it.03:58
raphinkwell that does03:58
raphinkyes BlankC 03:58
raphinkbut I think there's a specific argument for apt-cache03:59
raphinkwhen you want to find a file installed by the package03:59
raphinkin kio-apt it's fsearch04:00
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BlankCapt-cache show apt-file04:03
raphinkjust installed it and trying it04:04
raphinkit's very slow and seems to be independant from apt-cache though04:04
raphinkbut hey it's powerful :)04:05
BlankCwonder if it does regex. apt-file search htpasswd$04:07
raphinkno answer ;)04:07
raphinkthere's an option to use regex it seems04:08
raphinkapt-file -x search htpasswd$04:08
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raphinkdidn't get anything either04:09
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StRwhat is kio-apt?04:10
raphinkkio-apt is a apt slave for kio04:11
raphinklets you browse packages in konqueror using apt:/04:11
raphinkand install them from there, using kpkgmanager04:11
raphinkStR: http://raphink.myftp.org/kio-apt2.jpg04:13
laszlokmine doesnt have an install button04:15
laszloki can browse but i have to use something else to install04:16
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raphinklaszlok: the last version lets you install04:17
raphinkbut it doesn't work great so far04:17
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manveruone finds out things about KDE everyday...04:23
kkathmangood day all04:23
manverui guess this kio-apt would be easy to extend...04:23
Kamping_Kaise1hi kkathman04:23
Kamping_Kaise1you just got up? :O04:24
kkathmanyah..been up about 20 minutes...coffee, scanning the news :)04:24
raphinkmanveru: indeed04:24
kkathmanhow are you today Kamping_Kaise1 :)04:25
raphinkmanveru: not long ago we were thinking about how good it would be to build a package manager on the model of finkcommander, too04:25
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Kamping_Kaise1kkathman: not bad actualy. just thinking beds looking like a good idea :)04:25
manveruraphink: well, whatever finkcommander is... :)04:25
kkathmanKamping_Kaise1: well I just got out of one, and would have stayed longer if I could :)04:25
manveruraphink: is it easy to participate into the kio-apt-thing?04:25
raphinkmanveru: finkcommander is a program that lets you control fink, which allows you to install linux apps on mac os04:26
Kamping_Kaise1lol kkathman. if I'm here much longer I'll be in bed untill afternoon ;)04:26
raphinkusing darwin.deb04:26
raphinkmanveru: ask the kio-apt developer ;)04:26
manveruraphink: ah, k - i haven't got osx, so fink wasn't coming to my mind immediatly04:26
raphinkmanveru: the good thing we saw about finkcommander04:26
BlankCraphink: here is a quick example of why apt-file -x search htpasswd$ doesn't work. apt-file does some expansion on the regex. ( http://lists.debian.org/debian-women/2004/07/msg00129.html )04:26
raphinkis that contrarily to other guis to manage .debs04:27
raphinkfinkcommander lets you install and build sources from the gui too04:27
raphinkwe miss that in all our guis 04:27
manverui would love to see some frontend to checkinstall - since it would be easy to do04:27
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manverubut i guess it is too simple to bother with a gui...04:28
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raphinkwell we have GUIs04:28
kkathmanKamping_Kaise1: go get some sleep, my friend!04:28
raphinklike synaptic, kynaptic, kpackage, adept04:28
raphinkbut none of them deals with src.deb so far04:28
Kamping_Kaise1kkathman: i just put some music film clips on , so at leastr another 15 minutes up ;) probably wont be in bed before 2. 30 anymore04:29
manveruextending one of them? (preferabilly adept :)04:29
raphinkor kio-apt, which is very good too imo04:30
manveruthe thing is, i haven't done anything in QT before, and i wanted to learn a bit...04:30
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kkathmanKamping_Kaise1: So you are a soundtrack lover then?04:30
manverui'll fetch the source for kio-apt then...04:31
Kamping_Kaise1kkathman: hm. not so much sound track, but i like to see some pictures to my songs :) so the clips that get played on tv etc are (usualy) cool04:31
manveruis it kind of standalone-app or is it tightly weaved into konqueror?04:31
raphinkit's a kio plugin04:31
raphinkso it's not really stand alone04:32
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ubotustrike4ce: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!04:32
raphinkmanveru: http://lpnotfr.free.fr/kde-apt04:33
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aaronjsit seems my kubuntu box has lost its eth connection.   Is there a setup utility?04:38
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raphinka setup for what aaronjs ?04:39
aaronjsraphink: to restart my ethernet connection...04:39
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raphinkhw ar you connected?04:39
raphinkthen I don't see what you would restart04:40
aaronjsraphink: my  point is that it is not connecting.04:40
raf256where do I set up host name of my machine (defaults to localhost.localdomain)?04:40
aaronjsafter a reboot, it does not connect any longer.04:41
raphinkraf256: you cn set it in systemsettings04:41
_seezeraaronjs: and what do you want to do now? restart you network interface?04:41
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strike4ceWhat is a good media player04:41
aaronjsI want to do the equivalent of /etc/init.d/net eth0 start04:41
Kamping_Kaise1strike4ce: mplayer04:42
seezerstrike4ce: mplayer, kaffeine04:42
aaronjsI just don't know how to do that in kubuntu, seezer 04:42
strike4ceWhat about Xine?04:42
seezeraaronjs: /etc/init.d/networking restart04:42
Kamping_Kaise1 /etc/init.d/networking restart04:42
seezerstrike4ce: i don't like xine itself - but hey, it's free! try it yourself04:43
strike4ceseezer: You like mplayer?04:43
aaronjshm..  ifconfig still shows nothing but "lo"04:43
raphinkstrike4ce: kaffeine is a xine ui04:43
seezerstrike4ce: there are only 2 'big players' - xine and mplayer. most of the rest are just frontends.04:43
raphinkwell it's more now, but initially that's what it was04:44
Kamping_Kaise1night all04:44
Kamping_Kaise1night kkathman04:44
seezernight Kamping_Kaise1 04:44
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strike4ceraphink: kaffeine is good?04:44
seezerstrike4ce: i like it04:44
raphinkstrike4ce: well it works, although I prefer xine-ui04:44
raphinkI've had many issues with kaffeine, many crashes04:44
raphinkbut it's a nice app04:45
seezerno problems here - and nice functionality :)04:45
strike4ceraphink: Im trying to set up xine-ui having problems can you help me?04:45
raphinkwhat pbs are you having?04:45
seezeraaronjs: did you take a look in the logfiles?04:45
seezeraaronjs: is your nic module loaded?04:46
raf256raphink: in where?04:46
strike4ceraphink: Well I download the UI and the lib file Im having problems with configuring it.  I do the command and it gives: bash: ./configure: No such file or directory04:46
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LeeJunFanaaronjs: ah, I remember those days. I felt like a hatchling. :)04:47
strike4ceI follow this but dont really understand it:  http://xinehq.de/index.php/faq#BUILDING04:47
raphinkstrike4ce: are you compiling xine-ui?04:48
raphinkraf256: in the kde menu 04:48
seezeraaronjs: logs in /var/log/ and loaded modules by typing 'lsmod'04:48
seezeraaronjs: like everywhere else ;)04:48
aaronjsLeeJunFan: the problem is if it were 1 of three other distros, I'd be on my way. :)04:48
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kkathmanhey hussam!!04:49
kkathmanhowdy LeeJunFan btw :)04:49
LeeJunFanaaronjs: I started with redhat, years ago when I thought redhat was linux (as in many years ago), tried many other distros, landed with mandrake for a few years, tried more because I was never 'really' happy with it, installed kubuntu and within an hour was erasing my mandrake and never looked back.04:50
LeeJunFankkathman: heya.04:50
hussamkkathman: hi kkathman :)04:50
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kkathmanhey seezer :)  How goes today?04:50
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LeeJunFanI always liked debian system, just not the pre-mezozoic packages.04:51
kkathmanLeeJunFan: I have been through several distros as well, and found Ubuntu quite nice in its ease and its tolerance for A LOT of hardware :)04:51
seezerpretty good. had to work longer.. but own fault.. slept way too long.. :)04:51
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LeeJunFanI always wanted a debian system but couldn't get myself to regress.04:51
kkathmanseezer: ahhh...well I can understand that!! Im such a night owl, and I get to working and look at the clock and its 3am!!04:51
sephoraCan anyone please tell me how to remowe username and password in kopete. I'm going to give my computer to someone else.04:52
seezerkkathman: :) same here.. can't move my ass to bed at evenings/nights..04:52
kkathmanaaronjs: you think its bad?  Try loading Fedora Core and you will get a definition of bloat!04:52
seezeralways find something interesting04:52
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kkathmanseezer: yah...Ive been working with some compiles lately and cant get anything to make :(04:53
LeeJunFansephora: make a new user for them, and erase your users home dir.04:53
seezersephora: did you save it in kdewallet?04:53
aaronjsI've never seen this many modules.  lol04:53
strike4ceraphink: I downloaded the UI and LIb.  What next?04:53
hussamsephora: rm -r ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete/04:53
aaronjsBut, what is important, is I do not see one for my eth. card.04:53
seezerkkathman: well, thats a reason to be way to tired next day :)04:53
raphinkstrike what do you mean you downloaded the ui and lib?04:53
aaronjsSo, what is the kubuntu configure utility?04:53
raphinkyou installed them?04:53
DelvienAnyone know anything about the new ATI drivers that support Clocl gating ? http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Hardware/ATI-Radeon-Linux-Display-Drivers-6719.shtml04:53
LeeJunFanaaronjs: I prefer kcontrol for configuring kde.04:54
raphinkaaronjs: systemsettings, in the KDE menu04:54
raphinkLeeJunFan: same, I prefer kcontrol too04:54
raphinkbut systemsettings is default04:54
teprrrso hmm, I assume there are people running breezy nowadays.. have you managed to get q2 running on breezy?04:54
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strike4ceDelvien: Are you trying to setup your ATI graphics driver?04:54
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raphinkstrike4ce: did you apt-get install xine-ui ?04:54
kkathmanseezer: yah I keep getting errors at the end of every compile...something about recursion.. not one finishes :(04:54
Delvienstrike4ce not right now i have 3d working and fglrx is good , but the current drivers dont support Clock gating, which  saves power, ( on a notebook )04:55
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cyneoh man, my dad just offloaded about 10 years worth of DOS strategy games on me04:55
sephoraseezer: I dont know where I have it. I thought there my bee a way to remowe acounts? But there isnt? Does the KDE system make a scount automaticly?04:55
seezersephora: remove your user as root - and better get a new one first on kubuntu :)04:56
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seezersephora: then rm -rf /home/sephora04:56
LeeJunFansephora: or just remove the whole $HOME/.kde dir04:56
teprrrLeeJunFan, quake204:56
LeeJunFanduh :)04:56
seezerha. LeeJunFan, my bucks please04:56
sephoraseezer: That means that I have remowe the user root... sad thing to do...04:56
teprrrit actually starts up, but glx driver doesn't work..04:57
strike4ceDelvien: I have a good Howto.  If you follow it you will succesfully setup your ATI card.  Here:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7846604:57
teprrrlibGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so04:57
teprrrlibGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_Dispatch)04:57
aaronjshm...   when Network settings in system settings, I have to enter administrator mode.  Which, I am assuming is sudo -- which I put the password in for, and it still does not allow admin. mode.  lol.   04:57
seezersephora: can't follow you, sorry04:57
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strike4ceDelvien: Thats the official ATI driver and it works great on my laptop04:57
seezeraaronjs: try harder not to misspell your password :P04:58
strike4ceDelvien: What ATI card do you have?04:58
teprrrhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66179&highlight=_glapi_dispatch -- I've even reported it :P04:58
LeeJunFansephora: adduser -G admin -m newuser ; echo "newuser:password" | chpasswd ; userdel -r sephora04:58
LeeJunFancrap - not adduser useradd04:58
sephoraseezer: I'm logged on as user sephora now. She is the only user on this pc. Do I have to make a user nr two, then del sephora and use the other user to log inn and make a new sephorauser?04:59
LeeJunFanokay, I'm lost.04:59
seezersephora: let's start from the beginning. you give away your pc to whom? you sell it?04:59
kkathmandoes anyone here use superkaramba for doing system monitoring?05:00
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aaronjsI have _no_ idea why the gui configuration is not working.05:00
seezerkkathman: my wallpapers don't see any light.. just too many windows open all the time.. i tried it but those nice looking thingies just hang around and i can't see them. so i dropped it :)05:01
kkathmanaaronjs: me either...I've installed ubuntu on about 30 machines and its never failed to work05:01
kkathmanseezer: Im trying to get the widget (in this case cynapses) to see my temperature sensor...for some reason it doesnt05:01
Delvienstrike4ce sorry was on the phone with my lawyer .05:01
seezerkkathman: does it use lmsensors in the back?05:02
LeeJunFanDelvien: you better go take a shower now.05:02
Delvienstrike4ce i have a TI  mobility x300 128mb PCI-E05:02
seezerLeeJunFan: :P05:02
kkathmanseezer: Im not a python expert...best I can tell it points to this SH file of some sort05:02
DelvienLeeJunFan nah hes alright, 05:02
DelvienLeeJunFan its insurance companies i dont like dealing with05:02
LeeJunFanDelvien: alright lawyer == oxymoron05:02
sephoraseezer: I'm a teacher at haldenfriskole.no in Norway and I have put together a computer for one of my pupils. Her name is Sephora. Therefore I have made sephora to be the user of this computer. Wile testing this kopete program I used my own Messanger username and password, and now the program remembers it and loggs on as me whet sephora try to use it.05:03
DelvienLeeJunFan hes a friend of the family , so hes an ok guy05:03
LeeJunFanlike saying XP is the good windows.05:03
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kkathmanseezer: dunno if this helps...but take a look:  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/41604905:03
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LeeJunFansephora: do you see a little brown wallet in your task tray?05:04
seezersephora: ah! :) ok, just delete /home/sephora/.kde/share/apps/kopete/ 05:04
strike4ceraphink: When I start xine it states at top that there is no mrl?05:04
LeeJunFanseezer: might be in wallet too.05:04
seezerLeeJunFan: true. asked it before but got no answer :)05:05
strike4ceDelvien: Scroll up for that Howto link.05:05
kkathmanseezer if you look at the "Sensors" section of that, you'05:05
kkathmanseezer will see something that refers to "type"05:05
LeeJunFansephora: just in case also rm -rf /home/sephora/.kde/share/apps/kwallet05:05
strike4ceDelvien: Here:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7846605:05
seezerkkathman: yes i see. now uses superkaramba lmsensors? gonna search, second05:06
strike4ceDelvien: I messed with mine for almost a week and found that guide followed it, and now my card works great 05:06
seezerkkathman: yes it does. did you setup lm_sensors?05:07
seezerkkathman: try this - i bet it should work then05:07
kkathmanseezer: probably not...how do I do that?05:07
sephoraseezer: Thanks... So easy...05:07
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seezerkkathman: http://www2.lm-sensors.nu/~lm78/ there should be a good howto05:08
kkathmangreat I'll check that out...thank you!05:08
seezerkkathman: check that you got the right modules loaded05:08
seezerit's in kernel 2.6 so no drivers needed anymore05:09
seezerno big magic - if it works like it should ;)05:09
seezersephora: no problem05:10
sephoraOne more thing: I have doanloaded firefox-1.0.7.installer.tar.gz, LimeWireLinux.rpm and skype_1.2.0.18-1_i386.deb   What do i have to to to make them work on the pc?05:10
LeeJunFansephora: sounds like 3 more things :)05:11
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kkathmanwonder why there is no lmsensors in the repos?05:12
nimataromg, i accidentally disinstalled all my system :\, i searched for "gnome" in adept then clicked cltrl+a rightclick->unistall, thinking in would uninstall all visible packages (ie. all gnome packages) but it was trying to remove my _whole_ system, i did some ctrl+c and at least it stopped...05:12
seezerkkathman: lm-sensors - utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors05:12
sephoraOk... I see that, but I thougt there may be one solution for all of them? Or schold I just del dem and let her have the pc wihtout them?05:13
seezersephora: firefox you install with: sudo apt-get install firefox05:13
nimatarnow apt-get gives me this error: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.05:13
kkathmanahhh was typing it without the - and using underscore lol05:13
seezerkkathman: ;)05:13
nimataruhm... now i get a lot of errors like: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://it.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-backports/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/it.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-backports_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)05:14
seezernimatar: then first backup everything :)05:14
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seezernimatar: doesn't help you, but i agree, adept still needs lots of work..05:17
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strike4ceI have the Xine How do I install the xinelib05:18
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kkathmanseezer: do I have to ascertain the chips on my MB for all these things?05:19
kkathmanno way for me to know05:19
mornfallnimatar: that's because you should have used preview changes, silly05:21
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seezermornfall: anyway.. it's all but intuitive usability to select everything in the background when you expect it to select those you can actually see05:22
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mornfallseezer: that's not it... it's that he probably removed some critical dependency of nearly everything05:23
kkathmanseezer: well so much for that....it doesnt support my board ...cant detect any sensors :)05:23
manveruwould be nice to have a window on the right where you can see what packages are installed/removed05:23
mornfallseezer: ctrl+a will indeed only select what you can see05:23
kkathmanfunny, gkrellm reads it fine :)05:24
jjesseif i'm trying to install something and i get a md5sum mismatch should it be reported?05:24
jjesseusing us.archive.ubuntu.com05:24
kkathmanjjesse: probably so05:24
mornfalljjesse: maybe update first05:24
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jjessei did05:24
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mornfalljjesse: then, that's a problem, yes05:24
sephoraseezer: Limewire is not tha easy. Do I have to unpack my file?05:24
jjessewhere do i go to report it?05:24
seezerkkathman: did you do it as root and answer everything with 'yes'?05:25
seezermornfall: ok, didn't check it05:25
kkathmanseezer: didnt do it as root, but it ran fine and I answered the 1st question YES and it came back saying that no chips were detected05:25
kkathmanwhich basically to them means (it says this) that they dont support the board05:26
kkathmanits ok... I know my chip runs around 108-122 99% of the time05:26
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kkathmanI apparently dont have a very good fan on it right now.  It was running around 140, with the case closed and with the chip fan and a power supply fan.  So I've opened the case up, put a fan on the board (external fan) and got the temp down to 116-11805:28
kkathmangotta explore some other alternatives I suppose05:29
seezerto lm_sensors?05:29
kkathmanno...to cooling that chip :)05:29
kkathmanmaybe 118 is ok05:29
kkathmanI'll check the specs05:29
nimatar<mornfall> ctrl+a will indeed only select what you can see <-- are you sure??05:30
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seezerkkathman: 118?05:30
seezerah. lol, ok. thought C05:30
mornfallnimatar: well, do i need to test it or you trust me? :)05:30
kkathmanseezer yah  it WAS 140 with the side on05:30
kkathmanoops sorry F05:30
seezer*g* thought your room's on fire :P05:31
nimatarmornfall, but if its true than i don't understand why it was removing all my packages...05:31
kkathmanhmm max die temp for my chip is 85C05:32
kkathmanI think Im ok05:32
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mornfallnimatar: double-check the list for something lots of packages depend on05:33
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mornfallnimatar: if you remove something (obviously), all its dependencies (recursively) will be uninstalled05:33
kkathmaneven 140 is only 60C05:33
kkathmanseezer thanks anyway for your help, my friend :)05:35
nimatarmornfall: i don't think adept is a dependency of something from gnome, nor is open-office or koffice or whatever05:36
seezerkkathman: that's what we're here for :)05:37
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nimatari was wrong not checking the preview changes, but still i don't understand what happened05:37
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kkathmanbroadband that is05:40
mornfallnimatar: ok, so let's see05:40
strike4ceCan anyone help me to get xine up and running?05:40
kkathmanstrike4ce: what are you trying to use it with?05:41
mornfallfiiine, kdecore (KLibLoader): WARNING: KLibrary: /home/mornfall/dev/kde/_install/lib/kde3/libkonsolepart.so: undefined symbol: init_libkonsolepart05:42
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mornfallnimatar: let me upgrade breezy chroot then05:42
mornfallwell, adept will be 'nuff05:43
kkathmanmornfall: maybe need to get a lib?05:43
nimatarmornfall, what?05:43
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mornfallkkathman: nah, broken svn build atm05:43
kkathmanmornfall: I have had so many probs with my compiling lately :(05:43
mornfalloh well, i didn't have much time lately... being ill sucks05:44
strike4cekkathman: DVD05:44
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nimatar<mornfall> let me upgrade breezy chroot then <-- i don't understand this sentence...05:44
strike4cekkathman: I have the UI installed But I need the xine lib installed and dont know how05:45
kkathmanstrike4ce: take a look at apt-cache search xine    lots of modules to choose from...I dont know which one you need, cuz you need to know the product05:45
kkathmancheck that out what I sent05:45
mornfallnimatar: let's say libgamin005:46
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mornfallnimatar: it matches gnome and all of kde depends on it05:46
mornfallnimatar: satisfied?05:46
strike4cekkathman: Its the Xine player I need to configure the Xine-lib and make.   I downloaded to my desktop and converted the tar file.  It made it a file on my desktop.  SHould I put that file in the Xine UI file?05:46
mornfallnimatar: (same for libxml)05:47
kkathmanyou need to compile then?05:47
ganymedi don't wanna complain, but either kde 3.4 or kubuntu is extremely buggy...05:47
strike4cekkathman: yes i guess05:47
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kkathmanstrike4ce: take a look at apt-cache search xine   you'll find some libs there... maybe that libarts1-xine05:47
hussamganymed: what problems are you having with kde 3.4?05:47
kkathmanI dunno which one you need strike4ce 05:48
kkathmanganymed: there are bugs in any released software...what issues are you having?05:48
nimatarmornfall, so a dependencies system that don't sux should leave them, shouldn't it?05:48
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mornfallnimatar: you explicitly said you wanted them removed, dude05:48
mornfallnimatar: why should system try to outsmart you?05:49
nimataruhm... no05:49
gaymedwell. i have changed some config stuff, and when i logged in again, the login worked but afterwards my nb switched off.05:49
mornfallnimatar: uhm... yes05:49
mornfallnimatar: you selected those libraries and said uninstall05:49
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nimatarmornfall, ok maybe i'm understanding now05:49
mornfallnimatar: what did you expect it would do?05:49
hussamganymed: nb is notebook?05:49
Delvienstrike4ce so the 8.18.8 work ?05:50
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nimatarmornfall, i would expect it warns me i'm removing a depencencie of an installed package...05:50
mornfallnimatar: next time i'll make it pop up clippy telling you something witty about you removing many packages05:50
nimatarbut at least I understand what happened i think05:51
hussamganymed: does the notebook just turn off by ifself?05:51
strike4ceDelvien: I have the current driver installed05:51
mornfallnimatar: i have expected people that they know what they do (wrongly)05:51
strike4ceDelvien: From ATI05:51
gaymedi deleted .kde, copied some config files (from the ones i thought that wouldn't cause a problem), after some logins the same stuff occured again05:51
Delvienstrike4ce cool il try it out, can you scale down the clock ?05:51
mornfallnimatar: guess i'll make that a configuration option though (turned on by default)05:51
mornfallnimatar: and i'll of course turn it off locally :)05:51
hussamganymed: well there's no way kde can cause the notebook to turn off by ifself without user interaction05:52
nimatarmornfall, i'm quite sure emerge for example don't let you uninstall a dependency of another program05:52
hussamganymed: are you sure it's not some hardware problem?05:53
mornfallnimatar: *shrug* debian tends to do what you tell it to do05:53
mornfallnimatar: not what someone thought would be better for you05:53
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mornfallnimatar: that's why i am using it (and not eg windows)05:53
anabain how can I tell kview from konsole to display an image with the "fit-window" size?05:53
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Delvienstrike4ce do you know ?05:54
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kkathmananabain: from konsole....seems what you are asking would be application specific05:54
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kkathmannot system05:54
kkathmananabain: what are you tring to do?05:55
anabainI am writing a bash script05:55
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kkathmananabain: still displaying an image would be more of an application setting wouldnt it?05:56
anabainI want kview to show a formatted image  previously with the script, for testing results05:56
Delvienstrike4ce you there?05:56
kkathmananabain: hmm..I'd check with the kview program and see if there are parameter that could be passed to cause it to do what you want it to do05:57
anabainthere is one called -geometry05:57
nimatarmornfall, i understand your point, but i still think it's not very usefull..05:57
anabainbut it doesn't affect kview, but the X system05:58
nimatarmornfall, anyway, thanks for your attention05:58
nimatarmornfall, and time05:58
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strike4ceDelvien: Sorry I dunno but that howto will get the official ATI driver up and running06:01
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Delvienstrike4ce says unauthorized download on ATI .com while trying to get to the driver06:02
Delvienstrike4ce anyway you can send me the driver?06:04
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mornfallnimatar: well, suggestions?06:05
nimatarmornfall, as i already said, a warnig when you try to remove packages that are dependencies would be welcome06:07
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apokryphosmornfall: people really seem to favour that, rather than the plain "preview changes" 06:07
apokryphosthere was a bug report about that from a guy who was rather annoyed, IIRC06:07
mornfallyeah, he was a moron, too :)06:07
apokryphosmornfall: you do indeed have a tough job; pleasing everyone isn't easy :)06:08
nimatarmornfall, maybe with a "show this message again" option06:08
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mornfallnimatar: i'll make the preview button go away by default and commit will give you preview instead and you'll have to click once more to get it perform06:09
mornfallnimatar: which will be configurable06:09
mornfallnimatar: err, wait06:09
mornfallnimatar: preview won't go away06:09
mornfallnimatar: just that preview with a "commit" button on bottom will be probably the default action for commit06:09
nimatarmornfall, yeah that would be nice06:09
mornfalli don't like when it says commit and does preview, but *shrug* people are unteachable06:10
mornfallthey read commit and think preview for some reason or what06:10
othernoobwhere can i find a good sources.list for breezy?06:10
mornfallothernoob: in your /etc/apt :-))06:10
othernoobi said "good"06:10
mornfalland you meant what?06:11
ubotuA list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic06:11
othernoobmornfall: i mean a good one, not the default one that comes with this catastrophy of distro ;)06:11
othernoobthanks apokryphos06:12
mornfallothernoob: use something else then when it's so bad, huh?06:12
nimatarmornfall, but maybe a warnig would be better, because otherwise peple (specially those who come from w*****$) tend to just click commit again without looking06:12
apokryphosothernoob: and trolls are annoying06:12
mornfallnimatar: there's no helping to the stupid (they will click away the warning without reading, anyway)06:13
othernoobapokryphos: heh, are you calling me a troll?06:13
mornfallmaybe me :)06:13
mornfalllistening to Edguy - King of Fools06:14
mornfallit's not my "be nice" day, so06:14
mornfalland i have an exam tomorrow06:14
mornfalland maybe i could as well go home06:15
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mornfallcan i close adept now or someone else with adept screwed my system complaints? :-)06:15
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Flixorhi everybody06:17
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apokryphosothernoob: calling something a catastrophe of a distro in the distro channel is pretty trollish ;-)06:17
othernoobso is defending one ;-)06:19
mornfallhmm, cleaning-up lady appears in office... maybe time to go home, really06:19
mornfallif i just wasn't so lazy :)06:19
mornfallothernoob: defending what?06:19
othernoobmornfall: the distro.06:19
othernoobapokryphos: but seriously, you can't tell me that breezy is the least bit better than its predecessors..06:20
mornfalloh yeah, he can06:20
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apokryphosothernoob: constructive criticism is often welcome; random statements suggesting the distro is crap is evidently not06:20
mornfallapokryphos: c'mon, don't spoil the fun06:21
othernoobapokryphos: you may or may not recall that it was critized with hoary that dma is not enabled by default, that numlock was not enabled by default.......06:22
mornfallkubuntu breezy is better than hoary, even if only because adept > kynaptic06:22
mornfallothernoob: oh hell yeah, it's completely ingenious idea to turn on numlock by default on a notebook06:23
apokryphosone of the many reasons06:23
elcucohi, how can i enable the konsole font in konsole?06:23
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mornfallothernoob: (oh, you have a reliable method telling if a computer is or isn't a notebook, sorry...)06:23
othernoobmornfall: don't act as if you're superior to me..06:24
othernoobmy nickname means nothing, even if you may think so06:24
mornfallthat almost sounds like an assertion that you are superior06:24
mornfall(at least that's my understanding of the used conditional)06:25
othernoobfor some reason i think you feel threatened..06:25
mornfalldo i?06:25
mornfallby whom06:25
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othernoobyou act as if..06:25
apokryphosothernoob: if you want to discuss the actual topic then you should; degenerating into argumentum ad hominems evidently isn't going to get you far06:25
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gaymedsorry. had to work06:27
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othernoobmornfall: since you're so much in love with kubuntu, please do tell me why it is the greatest..06:27
mornfallothernoob: hmm, who said i am? (for your info, i don't even use it...)06:27
othernoobmornfall: if you don't even use it, then how come you can even claim that the default sources.list is any good?06:28
ganymedok. i am back...06:28
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ganymedos i log in, get the desktop, suddenly the sreen gets black and shortly afterwards the notebook switches off06:29
mornfallothernoob: i have an install of it06:29
nxv_hi 06:29
othernoobmornfall: so you do use it then..06:29
apokryphosothernoob: why exactly is it not good?06:29
othernoobapokryphos: 404s on some repos..06:29
mornfallnot here06:30
apokryphosothernoob: pastebin the errors, then produce the URL here06:30
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mornfallothernoob: have installed != use06:30
ganymedi repaired my user account and it worked for some time. then it did the same again. i think this happened first when i activated hibernate06:30
othernoobmornfall: fascinating, yet have installed also !=knowing anything about the sources.list ;)06:31
musikcan i disable rsync at startup? do i need it??06:31
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nxv_i cant set my xorg to my notebook display resolution. 1400x1050 i have uncommented the 1400x1050 modline and inserted "1400x1050" in the displays modes line06:31
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othernoobapokryphos: no need to pastebin, backports repos..06:31
ganymedok, you are all gone and nobody talks to me... so i'll start again06:32
apokryphosothernoob: so comment them out06:32
othernoobapokryphos: heh,06:32
nxv_it is the first enty in the modes line but it is not selected by default nor can i select it with krandrtray06:32
othernoobapokryphos: considering that i wanted to use them...that wouldn't help much would it?06:32
ganymedwhen i login with kdm my screen gets black and my notebook turns off. can this be connected to hibernation (klaptop)?06:32
mornfallothernoob: see, it sits in a chroot, i need to test software on it from time to time and my main system is debian sid... happy?06:33
apokryphosothernoob: considering they don't exist, it would seem odd (suffice it to say) for you to want touse them06:33
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othernoobmornfall: always, i'm a jolly fella.06:33
othernoobapokryphos: if they don't exist, why are they in the default sources.list06:33
apokryphosothernoob: they don't exist yet06:34
othernoobi see. interesting concept indeed.06:34
musikothernoob: for some reason default sources.list aint that good..........06:35
apokryphosmusik: why ever not?06:35
othernoobmusik: don't say that... i'm a troll because of it ;)06:35
manverusomeone here using composite without crashes? :)06:35
apokryphosothernoob: please don't lie06:36
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apokryphosothernoob: that's not all you said06:36
ganymedok. sth else.06:36
apokryphosmanveru: yup06:36
othernoobapokryphos: don't take everything so seriously..06:36
othernoobmusik: i also said that breezy and its predecessors are crap...thus a troll06:36
nxv_what else do i need to do to get my lcds default resolution working?06:37
ganymedok, is there a reasonable (k)ubuntu documentation somewhere on the net06:37
manveruapokryphos: odd, is there something i have overlooked? because it crashes my X regulary...06:37
apokryphosothernoob: you seemed pretty serious (and you didn't exactly suggest you were joking after :P)06:37
musikhuh....thats what i was told in this channel itself....that the default sources.list aint too complete.......06:37
strike4ceWhy does my xine player say there is no mrl?06:37
othernoobapokryphos: yea well, jokes are a bit tough on irc..06:37
othernoobapokryphos: but honestly, nothing has improved in breezy..06:38
nxv_has noone any further suggestions to my resolution problem on my laptop?06:41
ganymedis there a reasonable (k)ubuntu documentation on the net??06:41
jjesseganymed: we are working on it06:42
bhnanxv_: http://www.linux-laptop.net/06:42
musikguess what...im using hoary rite now........bcoz its much faster & less buggier than breezy........06:42
jjesseganymed: beside information on the wiki there is information at doc.ubuntu.com06:42
musiki cant wait for the dapper release.....its supposed to be very fast on bootup!!06:43
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nxv_bhna: thx, but a little to general to push me ahead06:43
GeMMawhat distro can i use for a slow pc?06:44
GeMMai use xubunut06:44
GeMMais it good?06:44
GeMMais there anything better?06:44
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bhnanxv_: shure, bbut i have no idea about your monitor ...06:45
musikGeMMa: xubuntu is enuff i guess06:45
dipnlikGeMMa: you can try a even lighter window manager, like fluxbox or icewm06:45
GeMMais there one?06:45
nxv_bhna: it is just about get 1400x1050 running with fglrx xorg driver06:45
dipnlikGeMMa: or if you're really radical like me, use ratpoison06:46
GeMMadipnlik: what's that?06:48
bhnanxv_: http://www.viajes-abaco.com/m400a/xorg_conf_fglrx_single.htm06:49
GeMMadipnlik: what's that?06:50
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dipnlikGeMMa: a really radical window manager06:51
dipnlikGeMMa: www.nongnu.org/ratpoison06:52
dipnlikGeMMa: it is like screen but for X :)06:52
GeMMabut do u use it on kub?06:52
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dipnlikGeMMa: yes06:54
ganymedthx very much. where is help needed most right now?06:54
GeMMaand what progs do u use on it?06:54
dipnlikGeMMa: P3 550, 128 RAM here, KDE is very slow, xfce is a little slow06:54
GeMMawhat 's ur use of kub?06:54
mornfallothernoob: please no random /msg'ing06:55
GeMMame 800 mhz and 128 of ram06:55
GeMMawhat do u think?06:55
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GeMMadipnlik: ??06:55
mornfallothernoob: as for [18:42:22]  < othernoob> apokryphos: but honestly, nothing has improved in breezy..06:56
mornfallothernoob: that's outright nonsense, unless you have very special definition of improvement06:56
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dipnlikGeMMa: xfce should run fine06:57
othernoobwell, tell me what has improved?06:57
dipnlikGeMMa: anyway, more RAM is always welcome :)06:57
SysFailanybody point me to a page for installing the ati drivers on breezy?06:57
musiki accidentally deleted synaptic from menu.....how to get it back?06:57
kkathmanjust add it back06:58
musikhow?? it aint anywhere in menu06:58
aeon17xmusik: how the hell did you manage to delete it?06:58
kkathmanright click on the K on the kicker, choose Menu Editor06:59
musiki was actually trying to get it some submenu...and then.........06:59
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kkathmanbetter yet...use Adept :)06:59
bhnaSysFail: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7846606:59
musikkkathman: then..........whr is synaptic stored so i can link to it via kmenmuedit??06:59
frank23!tell SysFail about ati06:59
kkathmanmusik go to a konsole and type whereis synaptic07:00
kkathmanmusik: its probably in /usr/bin07:00
musikkkathman: /usr/sbin/synaptic /usr/share/synaptic /usr/share/man/man8/synaptic.8.gz07:01
kkathmanhey I was right :)07:01
kkathmannow just menu edit and fill in the blanks07:01
SysFailthanks guys :)07:01
othernoobmornfall: i'm waiting.07:01
mornfallothernoob: hmm sorry packing up things... well, package management (that's my area, i don't know much else stuff from kubuntu)07:02
bhnaothernoob: usplash, gcc4, kde 3.4.3, openoffice 2.0 ...07:02
mornfallothernoob: some people would say system settings (i'm not sure here)07:03
mornfallothernoob: lots of bugfixes07:03
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othernoobmornfall: adept isn't that much of an improvement over kynaptic, sure, it's easier to edit the sources.list, but its interface isn't better.07:04
Mars_^I have a little problem with liquid weather theme07:04
Mars_^Can someone elp me?07:04
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othernoobbhna: those do not count at all07:05
bhnaothernoob: why?07:05
othernoobmornfall: keep in mind that this distro claims that it is userfriendly.. and it certainly is not. 07:05
othernoobbhna: because those are merely some newer versions of software07:06
othernoobbhna: are you telling me you were using OOo1.3 with hoary?07:06
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strike4ceIf xine is in adept. Does that mean it is the most current version?07:06
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bhnaothernoob: openoffice with freebsd 6.007:07
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othernoobbhna: but since you're mentioning software.. no repos ever get updated, not in hoary, nor in breezy. other than the security fixes.07:07
Mars_^ Hi i have a little problem with liqid weather theme on superkaramba. I cant find file where I can set font of weather07:07
Strike4ceIf xine is in adept. Does that mean it is the most current version?07:07
othernoobbhna: and if you even mention OOo2 at least do mention that it is OOo 1.9.126, not OOo2. it is still OOo2 beta ;)07:07
bhnaothernoob: what do mean with "improvments"?07:08
mornfallothernoob: i forgot you define what's user-friendly and what's a better interface...07:08
mornfall--> home07:08
othernoobmornfall: userfriendly..like i mentioned earlier DMA enabled by default for example07:09
GeMMawhich is the bedt distro for slow pcs?(128 of ram and 800mhz)07:09
kkathmanGeMMa: its what you install that makes the difference07:10
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kkathmanubuntu works great for slow PCs...I have one PC here thats an old HP with 96mb memory07:11
othernoobbhna: since the main target of this wannabe debian-distro is to get new non-*nix users to use linux i'd consider pretty much everthing, which may accomplanish that, an improvement07:11
GeMMawhat do u mean?07:11
kkathmanGeMMa: for instance, you might not be able to run KDE07:11
kkathmanGeMMa: but you could run command line or maybe a lighterweight GUI like XFCE07:12
othernoobkkathman: well, he'll be able to, but he won't be happy with it..07:12
kkathmanothernoob: I ran it its fine07:12
kkathmanbut I have since moved to just the CLI07:13
bhnaothernoob: like macosx?07:13
kkathmanthe older the hardware, the more Linux likes to have more memory07:13
GeMMakkathman: so what apps should i use to substituute firefox and amulka?07:13
kkathmanGeMMa: more native GUIs will have something native...KDE has Konqueror and Gnome has Nautilis07:14
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kkathmanbut I'd suggest at least adding more memory if you can07:14
kkathmanthe processor wont be as important (its important) as the amount of memory07:14
othernoobbhna: osx doesn't have the same target. but yes, it's certainly better, in all regards, except portability..which is why i dislike it ;)07:15
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funkyHatanyone else had trouble with amaroK? and how did you get around it?07:18
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Mars_^Someone using liqid weather theme for karamba?07:22
seth_k|lappyfunkyHat, download 1.3.5 from kubuntu.org07:22
seth_k|lappyMars_^, I am07:22
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Mars_^So do you have problems with weather updating?07:22
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Mars_^Shit I have :/07:22
Mars_^And maybe you know how can i edit my language file07:23
Mars_^cause i have to change fonts07:23
Mars_^and i cant find file07:23
kkathmanHey Mars_^ wassup?07:23
seth_k|lappyi'll bet it's because I'm using KDE 3.5 + the new superkaramba, which works with the new skz version of lw+07:24
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kkathmanMars_^: I used the liquid weather theme in SK07:25
Mars^So maybe you know where is file that i can edit my fonts because polish fonts are crashed :/07:25
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kkathmanMars_^: for the Liquid Weather?07:26
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kkathmanMars^: right click on the widget and you'll see lots of updates you can do...one is to set the delay between updates, and there are other tweaks07:27
kkathmanMars^: you can do and immediate update by right clicking and then clicking "reload theme"07:29
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kkathmanMars^: or...you can set the delay time to 1,2, or 3 hours07:29
vonHalenbachIs in Kubuntu Breezy a firewall installed ?07:29
kkathmanvonHalenbach: yes  firestarter is the front end for iptables07:31
vonHalenbachoh thank you. kkathman .07:31
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Mars kkathman yes i sey it but it doesent work :/07:32
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kkathmanMars you cant right click or what?07:34
kkathmanRIght-click, then Configure theme07:34
MarsBut I set 1 hour 07:34
Marsid doesent update after 1 hour07:35
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kkathmanwell right click and click re-load theme then07:35
Marsi know cause last night i lest my PC and at the morning i had old weather07:35
apokryphosothernoob: if you're genuinely stuck for improvements...07:35
apokryphosthe whole release announcement mentions a few things07:35
apokryphosfor me the most palpable one was the difference in speed; very noticeable for me. Others: more stability with packages, _more_ packages; extra GUI features and tinkerings to KDE07:36
apokryphosthe difference isn't _that_ great since unfortunately the KDE version is still the same; it's annoying for us, but hey -- that's one of the small downfalls of having a predictable/regular release cycle07:36
jjessecheck out the release notes section, it will explain a lot of changes07:37
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seth_k|lappyso jjesse did you make member or not, the /topic confuses me :P07:37
MarsBut i need to edit file where i can select my font in weather, where in liquid weather are all those files? in .skz file?07:37
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apokryphosseth_k: I believe dear Jonathan just needs to verify to sabdfl that jjesse should be a member07:38
jjesseseth_k|lappy: i was voted on succesfully last night but haven't been processed by Kaimon or something07:38
seth_k|lappyjjesse, gotcha, congrats07:38
apokryphosgood going jjesse :)07:38
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jjesseRiddell gave his +1 just as sabdfl was leaving so i think it was official :)07:38
othernoobapokryphos: i can accept the kde problem, but like i said, things like DMA are really annoying, considering that k/ubuntu so desperately tries to get MS users to use linux..07:38
jjesseif not they were speaking together at UBZ07:38
CaBlGuYI just installed K, and Im not seein it on the session menue..07:39
kkathmanMars you can do some in configure, but you can also try right clicking the widget, then choose Edit and then Edit script07:39
CaBlGuYdo I need to register or enable it?07:39
othernoobapokryphos: and don't come to the conclusion that this is my first distro and/or recently converted to *nix..07:39
apokryphosothernoob: seems like a really really bad reason for concluding that there was no advance between the distros07:39
jjessei am working on install mod_ntmlm for apache2 and i need apxs to do the install, as I can't find a package for it07:39
apokryphosothernoob: when did I ever imply that?07:39
Marskkathman,  i dont have EDIT when i right click07:39
othernoobapokryphos: it's not the only reason... you didn't imply it..07:40
kkathmanMars then we must not be using the same Liquid Weather07:40
jjesseothernoob: you are staying w/ hoary instead of going to breezy?  it runs so much smoother and quicker for me on my laptop07:40
apokryphosothernoob: caps-lock is?07:40
apokryphosothernoob: I'm still waiting for you to refute the reasons I provided above...07:41
othernoobjjesse: i'm staying with neither..i'm setting it up for someone else..07:41
jjessei am very much impressed on how much smoother my laptop runs on breezy vs hoary07:41
jjesseboy that sounded like terrible english07:41
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Marskkathman, i am using the 8.5 one07:41
apokryphosbut I'll respond to any criticisms if there actually are any later07:42
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othernoobapokryphos: well, since you're heading off now you don't really give me a chance to refute do you ;)07:42
othernoobapokryphos: but another thing..just a quickie07:42
othernoobapokryphos: what about a basic calculator in a virgin kubuntu install?07:42
apokryphosothernoob: of course you can; I said I'd respond to them later as soon as I'm back07:42
othernoobapokryphos: even windows provides that..07:42
kkathmanMars I dont know which one I have actually :)07:43
othernoobapokryphos: certainly, but i may not be here anymore when you come back ;)07:43
othernoobapokryphos: let's face it, kubuntu is only half a distro without internet access..07:44
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seth_k|lappyothernoob, speedcrunch is installed per default in breezy iirc07:44
kkathmanMars all I can tell you is that its liquid weather plus07:45
kkathmanI got mine from the kde-look.org page07:45
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othernoobseth_k: speedcrunch ..what a calculator that is....07:46
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apokryphosothernoob: you're still here, but no refutations 8)08:34
apokryphosbut some random point about it being half the distro without Internet. Err...08:34
othernoobwell, you were gone, what's the use of typing?08:34
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mornfallothernoob: speedcrunch is a calculator that is actually useful (unlike kcalc or windows calc)08:34
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othernoobmornfall: it's quite a lightweight..08:35
mornfalllightweight in which sense?08:35
apokryphosothernoob: I already mentioned why... because I'd be able to see the comments when I got back.08:36
othernoobmornfall: in a sense of limited capabilities..08:36
mornfallothernoob: compared to what? calc.exe? don't make a fool of yourself08:36
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othernoobmornfall: doesn't the windows calculator have an advanced setting for scientific things?08:37
mornfalland well, there's always octave when you need something bigger :)08:37
mornfallothernoob: scientific things like what? trigonometry? base 2/8/10/16?08:38
mornfallmaybe cyclometry08:38
mornfall(exponents, logarithms... speedcrunch got all of that -- it's a normal "basic" calculator)08:39
othernoobapokryphos: well, you pretty much just said that it has more packages, better stability/speed and some GUI features... one can't argue with the more packages argument..more stability..since i've only used it for a day so far i can't argue there. 08:42
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othernoobmornfall: just take a look for yourself at kcalc and speedcrunch..it's a difference of about 200k ..08:44
othernoobapokryphos: so what exactly do you want me to refute? that there are less packages? less stable?08:45
apokryphosothernoob: you don't have to refute anything; though I'd note that it deals with your original comment08:46
mornfallothernoob: 200k what?08:46
othernoobapokryphos: how?08:46
apokryphosothernoob: "but seriously, you can't tell me that breezy is the least bit better than its predecessors.."08:46
othernoobmornfall: speedcrunch is about 480k installed.. and kcalc 608k..08:47
apokryphosit seems quite obvious that stability, GUI improvements, more packages are inherently *positive* ammendments08:47
mornfallothernoob: you are joking right?08:47
othernoobmornfall: no i'm not, i took those numbers from adept08:47
mornfallothernoob: no, i mean... how are those numbers related to the topic?08:48
othernoobapokryphos: more packages can't be taken into consideration though. neither can gui improvements.08:49
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mornfallothernoob: yeah, nothing that someone else says cannot be taken into consideration :-)08:49
apokryphosothernoob: you are surely kidding. Why ever not08:50
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othernoobmornfall: there was no reason to erase kcalc from a virgin install to replace it with a calculator that takes more time to use than to calculate things in your head..if it wasn't for size..08:50
mornfallothernoob: oh lord08:51
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mornfallothernoob: because there are no buttons with numbers, it takes so long to write them, uh?08:52
mornfallor operators, well, yeah08:52
mornfallif you don't know them by heart, it's hard :)08:52
apokryphoszyn: on Breezy, it should08:52
othernoobapokryphos: so the gui looks different and you can play around with it, great. but real user problems haven't been fixed. do you think that a MS user cares to play around in the konsole to get things working?08:52
othernoobmornfall: are you suggesting that i use my mouse for a calculator?08:53
apokryphosothernoob: that's absolute rubbish; the other reasons I provided were clearly things being fixed. If you're just giong to stick to a position and rant about its truth there's not much point in discussion08:53
mornfallothernoob: the fact you can use parentheses makes it even worse08:53
apokryphosI also take it you didn't read the Breezy release announcement, which **clearly** stated some of the nice things it adopts08:53
zynapokryphos: it doesnt...08:53
mornfallothernoob: well, what's the other difference in data input between speedcrunch and kcalc?08:53
apokryphoszyn: then something is wrong on your install08:54
othernoobapokryphos: what did you say was fixed?08:54
othernoobapokryphos: new packages equal a "fix" ?08:54
othernoobapokryphos: is a lack of packages a bug?08:55
apokryphosothernoob: how are (i) new packages; (ii) fixed packages necessarily not "problems" that "haven't been fixed".08:55
apokryphosothernoob: it surely can be08:55
apokryphosothernoob: i.e. a usable package manager for the given distro being missing... that is indeed a bug.08:55
othernoobapokryphos: you may or may not remember that i've also stated long ago that the lack of repo maintainence sucks..08:56
apokryphosothernoob: and now it really **does** sound like you haven't tried out any other distros08:56
apokryphosDebian-based systems have some of the best package management out there08:56
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othernoobapokryphos: "some of the best"..mmh. so what's better in your humble opinion?08:57
thoreauputicothernoob: lack of repo maintenance? What are you smoking?08:57
othernoobapokryphos: and i've used several distros08:57
apokryphosothernoob: so you can claim; it surely sounds like you haven't; or, not used them properly08:57
othernoobthoreauputic: you know as well as me that only the security repos get updates.08:58
mornfallthoreauputic: well, it must be good, he's babbling incoherently for hours now08:58
thoreauputicothernoob: wrong08:58
thoreauputicothernoob: bug fixes as well08:58
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othernoobthoreauputic: okay, bugs+security, but what about the rest?08:59
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othernoobare you telling me that the other repos get updated? no they don't08:59
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apokryphosfor the rest there's the backports repository; but Breezy hasn't been out for long, so they don't exist yet.08:59
thoreauputicothernoob: umm - the whole *idea* is that the repos reamin stabe until the next release08:59
apokryphoskkathman: we were warned to not be thrown off by the nick ;-)08:59
thoreauputic*remain stable09:00
apokryphosothernoob: that's simply how packaging works09:00
kkathmanaha!! I see...well...talk the talk and walk the walk I always say09:00
othernoobthoreauputic: are you kidding me now? what was "stable" about the openoffice 2 beta release in hoary?09:00
othernooband that's just one example..09:00
thoreauputicothernoob: we are using the word in different senses09:00
mornfallothernoob: the fact that it doesn't change in the lifetime of hoary?09:00
mornfallothernoob: you don't get packages changing behaviour all of sudden (unless it was a serious bug)09:01
othernoobmornfall: the fact that that release wasn't usable.09:01
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apokryphoserrrr, yeah, sure it wasn't09:01
othernoobapokryphos: don't make a fool out of yourself, even the OOo people said so.09:01
ganymedhi. i have installed mysql server on breezy, but how is the admin password for the server?09:01
mornfallwhat a moron *sigh*09:01
thoreauputicothernoob: if you are so unhappy what are you  doing here ?  Find a distro that pleases you...09:01
mornfallgood there's ignore :)09:02
mustard5thoreauputic, good call :)09:02
apokryphosothernoob: I think I'll leave it up to everyone else here to decide who's making a fool out of themselves. :)09:02
othernoobthoreauputic: since you weren't here earlier, i said i'm setting it up for someone else..09:02
manveruganymed: there is none09:02
apokryphosand /me hates to be a spoil-sport, but this has nothing to do with user support -- and this is a support channel09:02
apokryphosothernoob: join #kubuntu-offtopic to continue the discussion09:02
kkathmanI feel a mass ignore from all channel members...yes a definite disturbance in the Force :)09:02
mornfallapokryphos: it was fun for 20 minutes09:02
kkathmanapokryphos: please dont encourage that09:02
mustard5kkathman, well this is the support channel :)09:03
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othernoobapokryphos: you asked me for my opinion, so don't act as if i disturbed your channel. for all i care, you're an op. free the world.09:03
kkathmanyah I know...but admittedly we can ignore him better over there I guess09:03
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manveruganymed: you have to set a password, default being that there is no password set09:03
apokryphosothernoob: not laying the blame; but it is offtopic. So continue in -offtopic09:03
kkathmanwow its so easy to ignore in Konversation :)09:04
othernoobapokryphos: so now it's offtopic when you asked me first?09:04
mornfalli must admit it's been long time since i met such a troll09:04
mornfallthat's probably because i don't read #debian too often ;-)09:04
apokryphosothernoob: the discussion is offtopic; if you have a problem with understanding why it is, then /msg me or ask in -offtopic, but don't continue in here.09:04
thoreauputicothernoob: just give it a rest - it's just getting boring now09:04
kkathmanmornfall: there are always some kiddos that havent much else to do I suppose09:05
judaxmornfall: greetings09:05
mornfallsounded almost like a gentooer09:05
mornfalljudax: hello09:05
ganymedaha, thx for this. for dummies like me.09:05
judax<- Troy, working on the Adept Manual09:05
mornfalljudax: ah, cool :)09:05
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ganymedwith all the sudo hack i don't really get why there is no passwd for the mysql server09:05
judaxmornfall: got your reply, just not had time to reply, thx for reply, I will get that stuff in the doc09:06
kkathmanganymed: you can set one...use the regular mysql commands at the konsole09:06
judaxmornfall: good luck with exam09:06
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mornfalljudax: okey :)09:07
mornfall(i actually don't overdo the study thing :p)09:07
mornfalland thanks09:07
mornfalli'll dream of leftmost (grammar) derivations tonight09:07
judaxgood, too much study makes Jack a dull boy09:08
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kkathmanmornfall: this sounds like no fun :)(09:10
mornfalloh it is fun, unless you have one night to learn all of it ;-)09:10
mornfallactually, it may even be fun in that case09:11
mornfallformal languages ain't hard09:11
mornfalland it's only pushdowns, no turing machines this time09:13
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MarsAny Idea how can I edit my language file in superkaramba theme liquid weather 8.5?09:16
ganymedciao thx09:18
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dlausevic|breezyhi people09:54
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DelvienAre the breezy repos down?10:06
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thoreauputicDelvien: the .au one isn't , at least10:10
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pipitashi -- can anybody tell me which Breezy package contains a file named "libXau.so.6" and where I can find the .deb containing it?10:11
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pipitas(I've no Breezy nor any Debian available here)10:12
qosi added smb users with smbpasswd but when i start the share gui in the control center i cannot see any users which can be assigned. 10:14
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Delvienthoreauputic any ETA on when they will be up10:15
thoreauputicDelvien: I don't know - my country's mirror seems to be OK - maybe try a different mirror10:16
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twinoatlis it possible to force apt to install a package without the dependencies ?10:32
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naliothtwin "man apt-get" will answer your question10:34
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Delvienhttp://pastebin.com/416481 anyone have an idea? 10:36
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DocTomoeDelvien: how about just asking and telling us what your problem is?10:37
penguinbratHi all, I just installed KDE on breezy and I cant seem to find the control center in the menus - am I blind or is there a snaffu in the pacakges?10:37
DocTomoeand why do you do two sudos?10:37
twinoatlnalioth: my problem is that I want to use a program which depends on mysql-server and I want to use mysql-server-4.1 which removes mysql-server10:37
Delvien Couldn't find package module-assistant10:38
DocTomoeDelvien: seems like your sources.list is corrupt.10:38
naliothtwinoatl: isnt -4.1 the same thing, just a different version?10:38
DelvienBecause 2 sudos means im living dangerously10:38
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DelvienDoctomoe how do i fix it ?10:38
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twinoatlnalioth: it is a different package, the two are available10:39
DocTomoesudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list ... You should get a sane sources.list somewhere at ubuntulinux.org ...10:39
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penguinbratDelvien: you may want to try and remove any and all us prefixes from your repository list, if there are any....10:39
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Delvienpenguinbrat ? so remove everything that says US ? or only US10:40
penguinbratDelvien: just the "us." if there are any, I just had a bitter time trying to install KDE from those mirros, and it turns out they are corrupt or something...10:41
Delvienpenguinbrat i dont see anything say US10:41
penguinbratDelvien: it was just a guess... why dont you like the 4.1 mysql server?10:42
penguinbratDelvien: nm, getting confused on nicks =P10:43
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fatbrainwhat should I get, gcj or javac?11:06
fatbraineh, nevermind11:06
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naliothubuntulog: tell fatbrain about javadeb11:07
naliothubotu: tell fatbrain about  javadeb11:07
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`Nomadoops.. what,s teh command?11:11
ubotu`Nomad: Do they come in packets of five?11:11
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fatbrainwhat command do I use to install a package from a .deb file?11:12
fatbrainnalioth: btw, thanks :)11:12
lars@fatbrain: ??? do you whish to install foo.deb?11:14
naliothsudo dpkg -i file.deb11:14
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lars@fatbrain: if you use KDE you can install *.de-files by clicking them with the right mousekey and selecting Kubuntu Package Menu /Install Package... console + sudo dpkg -i file.deb works too11:21
larsuuups... I mean [...]  *.deb-files [...] 11:22
fatbrainlars: I'm ssh'ing, using terminal only.11:23
lars@fatbrain... then only dpkg -i file.deb will work... cause you are allready root... :-)11:24
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larsis kubuntu you`re first Linux-Distribution?11:25
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fatbrainAnyone good with Java?11:26
larsnot me11:26
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izut_Hi there.11:31
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izut_Do you know why Kmail's Tools->Import menu item is disabled?11:31
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propagandhifatbrain: what exactly do u need to know regarding java11:37
fatbrainI want to know if I need to export something before it *starts* to work. Currently I get classnotfoundexception (java.lang.StringBuilder from a bleh.jar I'm trying to execute)11:37
propagandhifatbrain: is java in your path11:38
propagandhiand are you executing java -jar11:38
naliothfatbrain: how many javas have you installed?11:38
fatbrainnalioth: let me check11:39
fatbrainI have the gcj and sun java5 installed11:39
fatbrainI have no java in any of my set vars or exports11:40
fatbrainjava1.5, sorry11:41
naliothubotu: tell fatbrain about multijava11:41
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propagandhifatbrain: have u done sudo update-alternatives --config java11:42
fatbrainnalioth: Thanks11:42
fatbrainpropagandhi: I just did11:42
naliothubotu: tell propagandhi about multijava11:42
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cryptomhi, I have a strange problem, when I open the "system settings" and would like to enter "administrator mode", my password is no longer accepted, although I type it in correctly11:52
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cryptomwhat can this be?11:53
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cryptomI verified the correct spelling of the password in a terminal or office programm11:53
LjLdunno, works for me11:54
propagandhicryptom have you set a root password or do you use sudo still?11:56
cryptomIt worked for me, too, before... thats strange11:56
cryptomI still use sudo - which still works perfectly in the terminal!11:56
propagandhicryptom: try kdesu kcontrol11:56
propagandhiat the terminal11:56
cryptomError message: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported  and host-based authentication failed11:57
propagandhibloody hell11:58
LjLi get the same error there11:58
propagandhijust try sudo kcontrol then11:59
LjL(DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed)11:59
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LjLsudo kcontrol works for me11:59
cryptompropagandhi, strange: I typed dcopserver as root, then: kdesu kcontrol again, and it worked!11:59
cryptombut it still does not work when started from "normal users" system control12:00
cryptomand by the way: what does "ignore" do? When i click ignore, i get admin access?!12:00
LjLcryptom: does it also not work in the Control Center, or is that limited to System Settings?12:00
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propagandhicryptom: i havent had that problem, so I'm not sure, but you could always modify the control center menu item to be run as root as a quick and nasty solution12:01
cryptomLjL, kcontrol as normal user, then e.g. printer config, does not work either... if thats what you mean12:02
LjLthat's what i meant, yea12:02
cryptompropagandhi, thats true, still strange that it worked yesterday12:02

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