[12:02] <kairu0> i'd like to watch realplayer files in mplayer. is it possible?
[12:02] <kairu0> hey kkathman 
[12:03] <kkathman> hmm... Im not sure, but dont think so
[12:03] <kairu0> so i _need_ the official realplayer clien?
[12:03] <kairu0> t?
[12:03] <kkathman> something about the RM codec thats not available in Linux...but that might have changed in breezy
[12:03] <kkathman> is there one?
[12:04] <kairu0> i dont know
[12:06] <joseph> propagandhi
[12:06] <joseph> What?
[12:06] <joseph> o.O
[12:06] <joseph> --prefix?
[12:07] <kkathman> kairu0: do you do much compiling?
[12:10] <kairu0> kkathman, nope why?
[12:10] <kkathman> just looking for someone that does
[12:11] <kairu0> i only compile when i run out of options hehe
[12:11] <kairu0> brb
[12:13] <joseph> This sucks. :(
[12:13] <joseph> I can't install anything! >: (
[12:14] <kkathman> what do you mean..."anything"
[12:14] <joseph> Mmm.. whenever I try to install anything manually, it screws up!
[12:14] <joseph> But if I do it in Adept it works fine.
[12:14] <joseph> o.O
[12:15] <kkathman> joseph: you mean through apt-get ?
[12:16] <joseph> No, Adept..
[12:16] <joseph> I use Adept, not apt-get. o.O
[12:16] <jrattner1> Anyone got any idea how to configure amarok and gstreamer
[12:17] <kkathman> joseph: you mentioned that you cant do something "manually"...what do you mean
[12:17] <joseph> ./configure, make, make install
[12:17] <kkathman> ohh you mean from source
[12:17] <kkathman> that happens...sometimes you have to chase down dependencies
[12:18] <joseph> o.O
[12:18] <joseph> How do I do that?
[12:18] <kkathman> you might try running sudo apt-get build-dep <pkg>  on what you are trying to install, and see if you have all the dependencies
[12:18] <kkathman> but that will only work if that package is somewhere in the repos
[12:19] <joseph> Well.
[12:19] <joseph> I went to the apt-get thingy.
[12:19] <joseph> Website, unofficial repository site or w/e.
[12:19] <joseph> apt-get.org
[12:20] <kkathman> ok what package are you trying to install right now?
[12:20] <joseph> AND, I found a repository, and it has mtaskbar on it,b ut when I try to install it it comes up with an error. :(
[12:20] <joseph> mtaskbar v2.
[12:20] <joseph> err.. taskbar v2.
[12:21] <kkathman> yeah its not in the repos anywhere
[12:21] <kkathman> you might go back to the forum or web site and see if you can contact the autho
[12:21] <kkathman> author
[12:21] <joseph> o.O
[12:21] <joseph> :(
[12:25] <kkathman> Looks around for Tm_T  :)
[12:27] <joseph> wh00ps
[12:27] <joseph> i think i found the problem. o.O
[12:27] <joseph> i was doing it wron.g
[12:27] <joseph> im not sure though.
[12:27] <joseph> hold on.
[12:28] <joseph> NOW we are going to start compiling.
[12:30] <joseph> yay, i think it worked for make.
[12:30] <joseph> YES!
[12:30] <joseph> OMG!
[12:30] <joseph> IT WORKS!
[12:36] <kkathman> what did you end up doing joseph?
[12:36] <kkathman> cuz it might work on mine too :)
[12:49] <kkathman> hey seezer :)
[12:50] <seezer> hi kkathman :)
[12:51] <seezer> but time for a movie and bed now, cu tomorrow
[12:51] <kkathman> okie doke
[12:51] <kkathman> enjoy
[12:51] <seezer> hope so :) good night
[12:52] <Smonkey> I have a (possibly stupid) question.
[12:54] <jubei> i've been told upgrading to breezy is not reccomended using the method stated here http://www.kubuntu.org/docs/krelease-notes/C/kreleasenotes.html can you upgrade using the install discs?
[12:55] <kairu0> anyone else got segmentation faults from realplayer 10?
[12:55] <ljl> don't you all think direct interaction between the user and the applications is currently a big mess in KDE and most other GUIs too? i mean, the tray, the docking applets, the flashing taskbar, the dialogs, the on-screen-displays... how applications choose to interact with the users basically seems a random choice; sometimes the user can configure the behavior, but that's random too
[12:55] <apokryphos> jubei: that method is perfectly fine
[12:55] <apokryphos> jubei: just make sure you have kubuntu-desktop before you change your sources
[12:56] <jubei> ok, the "failsafe" mode they mention is that the kernel option when i boot ubuntu or something else?
[12:57] <apokryphos> jubei: nope; from the login screen you can select Session -> Failsafe terminal
[12:58] <apokryphos> ljl: that's why the appeal and plasma projects were launched :)
[12:59] <jubei> do i edit /etc/apt/sources.list in normal mode then do the upgrade in failsafe mode?
[12:59] <apokryphos> jubei: personally I wouldn't care about going into failsafe at all; just save your stuff
[12:59] <jubei> you mean backup important files?
[12:59] <apokryphos> no, I wouldn't backup anything
[12:59] <ubuntu> anybody use the kubuntu live cd?
[01:00] <ubuntu> i can't get amarok to wokr
[01:00] <ubuntu> work
[01:00] <apokryphos> jubei: as in, close any open word docs etc
[01:00] <apokryphos> ubuntu: what's the error?
[01:00] <ljl>  is it? i'm going to have a look at those. my opinion is that the currect methods of interaction should, basically, all be kept, but the which-is-which should be rationalized
[01:00] <ubuntu> gstreamer says it can't play mp3s
[01:00] <kkathman> apokryphos: could I please enlist your help on a compile issue?
[01:00] <apokryphos> ubuntu: yes, it has to be like that
[01:00] <kkathman> at your leisure of course :)
[01:00] <apokryphos> ubuntu: mp3 codecs are propietary software -- can't come on kubuntu live CD
[01:00] <apokryphos> kkathman: sure; what is it?
[01:01] <ubuntu> but when I check adept it says that they are all installed...
[01:01] <kkathman> I keep getting the same errors no matter what I do to compile something (make)
[01:01] <ubuntu> the kde media back
[01:01] <apokryphos> ubuntu: to play mp3s from there you'd have to install gstreamer0.8-mad and akode-mpeg
[01:01] <ubuntu> *pack
[01:01] <hippie> why open adept for konsole this look is very diferent ?
[01:02] <jubei> kynaptic shows i have kubuntu-desktop but not the latest version, is that ok
[01:02] <jubei> ?
[01:02] <apokryphos> kkathman: could you pastebin the output?
[01:02] <ubuntu> I got xmms to work
[01:02] <ubuntu> somehow
[01:02] <ubuntu> without installing anything
[01:02] <apokryphos> jubei: just fine
[01:02] <ubuntu> so the codecs are there somewhere
[01:02] <apokryphos> ubuntu: yes
[01:02] <kkathman> apokryphos: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/415471
[01:02] <apokryphos> ubuntu: well, no; it doesn't use the same engine I don't think
[01:03] <ubuntu> oh
[01:03] <jubei> will the upgrade update my kernel? This is the main reason i want to update
[01:03] <apokryphos> kkathman: you should generally always paste make errors with the last line that compiles correctly
[01:03] <apokryphos> jubei: yes
[01:04] <apokryphos> jubei: Breezy is far superior though; you should definitely ahve it
[01:04] <kkathman> apokryphos: ok one sec
[01:04] <jubei> kool
[01:04] <ubuntu> apokyphos: it says I already have gstreamer0.8 installed
[01:04] <Tatsuya> hey anyone know how i can get gaim in kubuntu?
[01:04] <apokryphos> ubuntu: gstreamer0.8-mad and akode-mpeg -- install them and then you can play mp3s in amaroK
[01:05] <apokryphos> Tatsuya: breezy?
[01:05] <jubei> this forum http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=73767 suggests to do an sudo apt-get update first is this nessesary?
[01:05] <Tatsuya> yea breezy
[01:05] <kkathman> apokryphos: I guess Im too unfamiliar to know which line DID compile correctly :)
[01:05] <ljl> apo: is it normal that amarok takes ages to switch song, using gstreamer?
[01:05] <apokryphos> kkathman: lines with Errors are always negative
[01:06] <apokryphos> jubei: yes, the link mentions that
[01:06] <apokryphos> jubei: do this: change your sources, then sudo apt-get update (to refresh the sources for apt), then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:06] <Tatsuya> I use strait ubuntu but i installed kubuntu on a friends laptop and he wants to ge able to use gaim
[01:07] <apokryphos> Tatsuya: fire up adept and install it
[01:07] <jubei> ah so it does
[01:07] <jubei> and there is really no advantage of using a failsafe console =) ?
[01:08] <Tatsuya> adept reports that its not listed
[01:08] <apokryphos> Tatsuya: you must be typing it incorrectly
[01:08] <apokryphos> jubei: not really
[01:08] <jubei> thanks for your help apokryphos
[01:09] <apokryphos> kkathman: so basically just a couple of lines before that one, most probably 8)
[01:09] <ubuntu> how much space does a typical kubuntu install take up?
[01:09] <Tatsuya> nope, it cant find any aim compatible clients
[01:09] <kkathman> apokryphos: this is a representation of what was on my konsole about the last 2-4 screens worth:  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/415485
[01:09] <ubuntu> same as the Cd?
[01:09] <apokryphos> Tatsuya: in a terminal tell 'em to type sudo apt-get install gaim, and let me know the output
[01:10] <slow-motion> n8
[01:10] <fatbrain> gaim better than kopete?
[01:10] <apokryphos> nope :D
[01:10] <fatbrain> :)
[01:11] <LjL> Miranda better than both :P except it's for that other OS
[01:11] <apokryphos> kkathman: looks like a random automake error; what programs have given that on compile?
[01:11] <kkathman> apokryphos: knoda from sourceforge
[01:12] <kkathman> the newest version
[01:12] <Tatsuya> "couldnt stat source package"
[01:12] <Tatsuya> and a list of http addresses
[01:12] <apokryphos> Tatsuya: sudo apt-get update first
[01:13] <Tatsuya> just did and it found it tnx
[01:13] <apokryphos> kkathman: did you do sudo apt-get build-dep knoda  first?
[01:13] <kkathman> apokryphos: yes
[01:13] <LjL> do you see any security problems in doing ' alias apt "sudo aptitude" '?
[01:14] <ubuntu> eh miranda is alright but it didn't even check away messages when I tried it
[01:14] <ubuntu> looks good though
[01:14] <ubuntu> nice and transparent and all
[01:14] <apokryphos> LjL: why the heck would you? They're not the same at all
[01:14] <LjL> ubuntu: and a ton of plugins
[01:14] <kkathman> apokryphos: there was another hk_classes that I had to compile and install..and that was fine
[01:14] <LjL> apo: they what?
[01:14] <LjL> apo: "apt" isn't even a command
[01:15] <LjL> as to why I would, because typying "apt" is faster than typing "sudo aptitude"
[01:15] <LjL> particularly since auto-completion doesn't work after typing "sudo"
[01:15] <apokryphos> yes it does
[01:15] <apokryphos> you'd have to enable it
[01:15] <LjL> that's interesting, where would i look to enable it?
[01:16] <LjL> .bashrc?
[01:16] <kkathman> apokryphos: I think maybe I'll just have to remove all the dependencies and forget about the new version and maybe install the one thats in the repos...trouble is that package is way old
[01:17] <apokryphos> LjL: in your .bashrc add . /etc/bash_completion
[01:17] <LjL> apo: yeah was about to find out. it's there already, only commented out
[01:17] <nekostar> would anyone have any experience compiling denu [makes menus for fluxbox etc]  or something like it?
[01:17] <apokryphos> interesting
[01:18] <LjL> works, cool
[01:19] <LjL> "apt update" is still faster tho ;) but this sudo completion thing is definitely useful
[01:19] <LjL> i think it ought to be enabled by default in ubuntu, since sudo is so often used
[01:19] <TedLemon> Has anybody had any luck getting audio to work with kubuntu?
[01:19] <LjL> ted: audio? yeah, it worked out of the box...
[01:20] <TedLemon> Sigh.   Lucky you.
[01:20] <ubuntu> only with xmms on the live cde
[01:20] <ubuntu> cd
[01:20] <TedLemon> Yeah, xmms works for me, because it goes straight to the OSS driver rather than using the daemon.
[01:20] <Kibou> why is k3b still at version 0.12.2?
[01:20] <TedLemon> I've been unable to get the daemon working, and can't figure out how to get it to say what it's doing so that I can fix it.
[01:21] <LjL> ah yeah, i'm having some problems with aRts, but basically it just works except for behaving strangely at times
[01:21] <apokryphos> LjL: it's not on by default because it can get bogged down on rare occassions
[01:22] <LjL> apo: i see... but perhaps not the whole /etc/bash_completion, but just the sudo part. any "rare occasions" shouldn't be too much of a problem, i think
[01:22] <ubuntu> TedLemon: I think that the codecs are in the wrong spot on the cd
[01:22] <LjL> i mean, it'd be a way to convince people to actually use sudo... i'm often very tempted to just "sudo su" when i have to type a few commands as root
[01:25] <apokryphos> LjL: you shouldn't use that; sudo -i is better
[01:26] <LjL> what's different?
[01:26] <apokryphos> sudo -i sets up the root priv environment correctly; see man sudo
[01:26] <ubuntu> TedLemon: do you have problems with videos as well?
[01:28] <LjL> apokryphos: you know, i think the bestest thing would be that you could just type a command, say "aptitude", and it would say "Priviledged command, please type password"... basically, just like it's done inside KDE
[01:28] <LjL> a bit hard to do for shells, i suppose
[01:31] <apokryphos> problem is that commands aren't made like that
[01:32] <LjL> yeah, i know... the only possible thing, I think, would be to symlink priviledged commands to some script that ran sudo first
[01:32] <LjL> now *that*'s really very much like what KDE does
[01:33] <LjL> but i'm afraid it'd become a bit of a mess
[01:36] <sophie__> quick launch applet does not work properly after breezy upgrade anyone experience the same thing
[01:37] <kkathman> sophie_: quick launch applet?
[01:38] <TedLemon> ubuntu: I can get video to play no problem, just audio that doesn't work.
[01:39] <sophie__> kkathman: resembles the (yark) xp quick launch
[01:40] <kkathman> hmm
[01:40] <kkathman> on the toolbar(kicker)?
[01:41] <sophie__> kkathman: yep its not on the toolbar by default u have to add it try it its nice
[01:42] <kkathman> sophie__: I have several quick launches on my toolbar, so maybe Ive done it or not, based on what you are calling it
[01:43] <sophie__> kkathman: its diffret romthe icon you add one by one, try to add a qucik launch applet 
[01:44] <sophie__> kkathman: I dont think we are talking about the same thing, with quick launch applet u can reduce the size of the icons and have them spanning on several rows
[01:44] <kkathman> sophie__: and how do you do that??
[01:44] <kkathman> hmmm yeah I dont think we are
[01:45] <kkathman> thats why I am asking what you do  to do ti
[01:45] <kkathman> it
[01:45] <sophie__> kkathman: right click on task bar add applet quick launch
[01:46] <kkathman> uhmm yah...ok
[01:46] <kkathman> it added like 4 icons
[01:47] <kkathman> doo dah
[01:47] <kkathman> they are the same as adding icon links I think...at least they look the same :)
[01:47] <kkathman> lol
[01:48] <sophie__> kkathman: if you prees on the applet handle u can specify the icon size to the default one row set up
[01:49] <sophie__> kkathman: now with breezy upgrade the app application does not shiw up i get a defaut gear icon which sucks
[01:49] <kkathman> nah mine come up with their respective symbols
[01:49] <kkathman> konsole, help, etc
[01:49] <sophie__> kkathman: u can add your own apps to that mini launcher
[01:49] <kkathman> yes
[01:49] <sophie__> kkathman: try it
[01:50] <kkathman> I do that all the time
[01:50] <sophie__> kkathman: does it show the added app icon try to konversation or xvhat
[01:50] <kkathman> yes I have konversation, gaim, thunderbird, kopete, superkaramba, kbear and others
[01:51] <sophie__> kkathman: do u have a screen shot
[01:51] <kkathman> Guess I could do one for you
[01:51] <sophie__> send it to philippe.charest@gmail.com (here comes the spam)
[01:52] <sophie__> kkathman: its would be gratly appreciated
[01:53] <kkathman> now...where do I post it??
[01:53] <kkathman> hehe
[01:54] <kkathman> ok sent
[01:55] <sophie__> kkathman: nice desktop btw
[01:56] <sophie__> kkathman: what happens if u increase the size of the taskbar does it span the icons on two rows
[01:58] <kkathman> lol thanks
[01:58] <kkathman> sophie__ Idunno...I never increased the size before
[01:59] <kkathman> I just increased, and they all seem to still fit on one line, but there is a scroller on the right to see the time, and other things
[01:59] <LjL> hmm stuff on a taskbar gets to spawn to rows when the size reaches a certain value, yeah
[02:00] <kairu0> hey all
[02:00] <kkathman> But I like them smal and out of the way
[02:01] <LjL> kkathman: well, i have one single bar on my screen, which is just high enough to hold text in size 11 font :-)
[02:02] <LjL> kde and gnome just come with too many bars and panels around the screen by default
[02:02] <LjL> i mean, i pay dearly every half-inch of monitor i buy, it makes no sense to fill it all with panels
[02:03] <kkathman> LJL I have two panels, my kicker, and then another small panel above it for the open windows
[02:03] <strike4ce> !restricted
[02:03] <ubotu> somebody said restricted was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats ; also see !javadebs (for sun-java debs) and !w32codecs
[02:03] <LjL> i have a panel at the top, with the K Menu, the menubar for the current application, a systray, and weather & clock
[02:04] <strike4ce> !w32codecs
[02:04] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. To download the debs: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy).  For 64-bit read: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399
[02:04] <LjL> on the bottom, i have an external taskbar, but that remains hidden until i reach it with the mouse
[02:04] <kairu0> anyone have realplayer working?
[02:04] <kairu0> i have a windows-style one-bar-at-the-bottom thingy
[02:05] <LjL> kairu: well, i like it better at the top, but it doesn't make much difference... the one thing that makes a lot of difference for me is having the apps' menu on the bar
[02:06] <LjL> kairu: it serves to purposes, 1) doesn't waste space for per-window menus 2) menus get much easier to click
[02:06] <kairu0> LjL, i find it easier to jerk my mouse down than push it up..so i like the bottom :)
[02:06] <kairu0> LjL: oh you mean the mac title bar thing
[02:07] <kairu0> LjL, i used that for a while, but the apps i use most (like firefox) dont cooperate so i stopped
[02:07] <LjL> kairu: yeah, that's a problem unforunately :-\ hope gnome will do something about it
[02:07] <LjL> anyway, i'm currently trying to restrict myself to KDE apps
[02:07] <LjL> i just use konqueror
[02:08] <kairu0> LjL, konqueror dns resolution is unbelievably slow for some reason on my machine
[02:10] <kairu0> LjL, my favorite kde app right now is kmymoney as gnucash is still stuck in the world of 1998-style gtk1
[02:10] <sophie__> LjL: konqueror for web browsing?
[02:10] <LjL> sophie: uh... i mean... yeah
[02:11] <LjL> it's a browser, isn't it?
[02:11] <sophie__> LjL: Personnaly I cant stay away from firyfoxxy because of the extentions
[02:11] <LjL> yeah i miss the extensions a lot
[02:11] <LjL> but i don't find konqueror too bad at all
[02:12] <LjL> firefox is better, no doubts
[02:12] <sophie__> LjL: Page rendering does seem repeat "seems" faster than firefox
[02:12] <kairu0> anyone else had a slow-dns-resolution issue with konqueror?
[02:12] <LjL> yeah, "seem", because when the page is BIG... well, just try :)
[02:12] <LjL> kairu: dunno, it seems to work normally for me
[02:13] <sophie__> kairu0: happened to me system wide with suse's and hoary
[02:13] <LjL> kairu: look, what about installing a DNS server? doesn't have to be something complicated, i'm currently using a small, easy DNS "proxy" that caches addresses
[02:13] <LjL> kairu: not directly konqueror related, but perhaps it would solve your problem, as well as giving you better DNS performance overall
[02:14] <sophie__> kairu0: related to my router not being ipv6 compatible
[02:14] <sophie__> kairu0: does this happen with other apps
[02:14] <LjL> (dnsmasq is the program I use)
[02:15] <kairu0> sophie_, well, i have problems with things not opening on the first click in firefox (or any other browser)
[02:15] <kairu0> sophie_, can i disable ipv6?
[02:15] <sophie__> kairu0: yep
[02:15] <kairu0> sophie_, do you know how?
[02:17] <sophie__> kairu0: 
[02:17] <sophie__> AS
[02:18] <kairu0> AS?
[02:19] <sophie_> kairu0: have a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6841.html
[02:20] <kkathman> time to eat...back in a while
[02:21] <kairu0> cool thnkx
[02:23] <sophie_> kairu0: u have  to restart network or reboot for it to take effect
[02:25] <kairu0> sophie_, good i'll kill the internet briefly
[02:27] <kairu0> ok i did it
[02:28] <AEnertia> Hi all
[02:29] <kairu0> hey AEnertia 
[02:37] <AEnertia> some q&a about kubuntu 5.10 amd64
[02:37] <Bangers> hi, how do I configure my resolution?
[02:38] <AEnertia> Bangers, there is a tool called krandrtool
[02:38] <AEnertia> should be in system
[02:38] <AEnertia> menu
[02:38] <Bangers> I installed kubuntu on my laptop, Intel Display .. 1280x800 - but its displayed as 1024x768
[02:38] <Bangers> k
[02:38] <kairu0> Bangers, right click desktop -> configure display
[02:38] <kairu0> Bangers, is that a vaio laptop?
[02:38] <AEnertia> Bangers, oh.. you might need to change X
[02:38] <kairu0> dell maybe?
[02:38] <kairu0> my laptop is 1280x800 and it was 1024x768 by default
[02:40] <AEnertia> k back to q&a bout amd64... Media codecs... and players
[02:40] <AEnertia> Can the 32bit versions of xinelib and mplayer (for kmplayer) easily be added to allow full media support?
[02:41] <Bangers> yeh - inspirin 700m.
[02:41] <AEnertia> Also the kio slave audio:/ mp3 encoding? What is the status 
[02:41] <AEnertia> does it need additional stuff to work
[02:41] <AEnertia> ?
[02:42] <AEnertia> I know about k3b-mp3 but what is needed for konqeuror's inbuild stuff
[02:42] <Bangers> kairu0: so what did you do?  my screen takes a long time to refresh etc, and I'm not getting the 1280x800 option in the display config.
[02:42] <Bangers> do i need to install the correct drivers?
[02:42] <AEnertia> Bangers, nah you just need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf with the correct modes
[02:42] <kairu0> Bangers, since you arent getting the option then your problem is either the wrong display driver or a bad xorg.conf configuration
[02:42] <kairu0> Bangers, in either case, it comes down to configuring X
[02:43] <kairu0> Bangers, open up /etc/X11/xorg.conf and see if theres a section for the 1280x800 resolution
[02:44] <fatbrain> when installing mysql on my kubuntu, is there a way to ... configure it? like set a root password and such!?
[02:45] <AEnertia> fatbrain, follow the standard mysql intructions
[02:45] <AEnertia> they are on the web
[02:45] <AEnertia> particular relevant is "Setting up inital root password"
[02:45] <fatbrain> on the web ey!? interesting...
[02:45] <kairu0> fatbrain, mysqladmin -u root password myPassword
[02:46] <fatbrain> kairu0: thank you very much.
[02:46] <AEnertia> fatbrain, I urge you to read the web based intructions tho
[02:46] <AEnertia> Cos there are alot of gotchas
[02:46] <AEnertia> mysql auth scheme is host based
[02:46] <at1as> 
[02:47] <AEnertia> If you intend to use the mysql database on the network. You need to change a few things
[02:47] <fatbrain> AEnertia: gotcha (not that I will read them, but thanks for the concern ;))
[02:48] <Bangers> kairu0: yep.  there is.   inside xorg.conf - it has entries for my intel display drivers, and for my monitor at 1280x800
[02:48] <Bangers> but it obviously isnt working..?
[02:48] <kairu0> Bangers, this is breezy right?
[02:48] <AEnertia> Bangers, can you paste bin your xorg.conf file please
[02:49] <AEnertia> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[02:49] <Bangers> yep. breezy.
[02:49] <Bangers> sure 1 sec.
[02:50] <Bangers> Inside ServerLayout, it has "Default Sscreen" - which inside it has Device as my Intel display drivers, and also has inside it subsections for the color depth's and resolution - all 1280x800
[02:52] <AEnertia> It's possible the driver is using vesa modes... of which 1280x800 is not one
[02:52] <AEnertia> This can be fixed by specifying a modeline for your monitor for 1280x800
[02:52] <AEnertia> but paste your xorg.conf
[02:52] <AEnertia> I'll have a look
[02:52] <kairu0> Bangers, 1280x800 is picky about color depth too. mine wouldnt run at 24 bit with ubuntus x intel driver
[02:54] <kairu0> Bangers, you can compare it to mine if you like. I use the intel driver at 1280x800: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/415556
[02:54] <AEnertia> got that pastebin yet bangers>
[02:54] <AEnertia> ?
[03:00] <kairu0> guidance handbook?
[03:00] <apokryphos> help:/guidance in Konq
[03:01] <propagandhi> what is the knqueror plugin that lets you use locate
[03:02] <kairu0> anyone know why spanish accents arent working? french accents do
[03:06] <seth_k|lappy> propagandhi, kio-locate
[03:06] <jubei> kubuntu upgrade went well. I'm having trouble accessing cttl+alt+f1 though
[03:06] <seth_k|lappy> kairu0, what's the difference? You mean like  ?
[03:06] <jubei> any idea why?
[03:08] <Knowerrors> Hi all, how do you get the java plugin running in firefox and kubuntu?
[03:08] <Bangers> kairu0: thats basically identical to my config.
[03:08] <apokryphos> Knowerrors: it should automagically
[03:08] <seth_k|lappy> ubotu tell Knowerrors about Java
[03:08] <apokryphos> Knowerrors: did you install the java deb?
[03:08] <Knowerrors> yes
[03:08] <Knowerrors> and the plugin
[03:08] <Knowerrors> from ubu repos
[03:08] <kairu0> seth_k|lappy,  works but   etc. dont
[03:08] <apokryphos> Knowerrors: you'll only have blackdown java, which is fine, but if you want sun java then /msg ubotu javadebs
[03:09] <kairu0> seth_k|lappy, by the way i typed those in xchat (spanish accents are working in gnome apps but not qt)
[03:09] <seth_k|lappy> ah kairu0, I gotcha
[03:09] <seth_k|lappy> one sec, kairu0 
[03:09] <kairu0> ok
[03:09] <Knowerrors> Im fine with blackdown java, as long as it works, right now, synaptic says I got it installed plus the mozilla plugin, but neither konq or ff have java working
[03:10] <AEnertia> considering the silent reply I am guessing media support is compile your own for brezzy.
[03:10] <apokryphos> Riddell: almost? ;-)
[03:10] <Knowerrors> btw, Im running kubuntu 5.10
[03:10] <sophie_> !ubotu+media
[03:10] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, sophie_
[03:10] <sophie_> !ubotu media
[03:10] <ubotu> sophie_: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[03:10] <Riddell> apokryphos: I need to confirm with sabdfl that I lik jjesse (which I do)
[03:10] <apokryphos> Riddell: thought he was made one long ago. What are those guys hanging around for?
[03:10] <sophie_> !ubotu mp3
[03:10] <ubotu> mp3 is, like, a non-free format. Restricted formats' installation instructions can be found on the RestrictedFormats page of the wiki - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats - click away:)
[03:11] <sophie_> AEnertia: look one msg up
[03:11] <apokryphos> Riddell: he does an awful lot of work for ubuntu; most definitely should be one.
[03:12] <AEnertia> sophie_, for amd64?
[03:12] <Knowerrors> apokryphos: I have j2re-1.4 and j2re-1.4-mozilla-plugin installed
[03:12] <apokryphos> Riddell: was sabdfl serious about the kde-conversion? I thought he was a gnome-devoutee
[03:12] <apokryphos> Knowerrors: I can't say for sure, but it should be working fine, I'd say.
[03:12] <kairu0> Bangers, has 1280x800 worked in other versions of ubuntu/kubuntu?
[03:12] <Riddell> apokryphos: he runs kubuntu on his desktop now (not laptop)
[03:13] <Riddell> apokryphos: I don't think he is a gnome devotee at all, he just had (good) reasons to choose gnome for ubuntu
[03:13] <Knowerrors> apokryphos: maybe it didn't install well, where can I check apt/synaptic install log?
[03:13] <apokryphos> Riddell: I thought he knew a surprising amount about kde from his akademy talk
[03:13] <Bangers> kairu0: never tried it.   
[03:13] <apokryphos> Knowerrors: just dpkg -l|grep somepackage  ...to see if it's installed
[03:13] <seth_k|lappy> kairu0, sudo dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/xkeyboard-config_0.6-5_all.deb
[03:13] <apokryphos> hm, I see
[03:14] <seth_k|lappy> kairu0, you're using the Compose key to try to type accents, right?
[03:14] <kairu0> seth_k|lappy, wow where did you find htat?
[03:14] <apokryphos> Knowerrors: I'd say just install sun java -- it requires you sudo dpkg -i to two debs only
[03:14] <kairu0> seth_k|lappy, yes
[03:14] <seth_k|lappy> kairu0, yeah that should fix it
[03:14] <seth_k|lappy> happened to me too
[03:14] <seth_k|lappy> that's how I knew where to find it :P
[03:14] <strike4ce> !restricted
[03:14] <ubotu> [restricted]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats ; also see !javadebs (for sun-java debs) and !w32codecs
[03:14] <Knowerrors> It says in synaptic its installed, I just think it may be incomplete, I was installing  alot of packages with synaptic, and was watching the console messages, and tried to copy something with "cntrl-c" which interupted it
[03:15] <apokryphos> :/
[03:15] <kairu0> Bangers, you might have to use 855resolution (or 915resolution.) try a google search for 1280x800 resolution on dell laptop in linux
[03:15] <seth_k|lappy> Knowerrors, sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:15] <seth_k|lappy> Knowerrors, to finish interrupted configs
[03:15] <Knowerrors> sweet, thx seth_k|lappy, will that work even if Ive rebooted since then?
[03:15] <apokryphos> yes
[03:16] <Knowerrors> nice, its finishing right now, java was one that didn't get setup completely
[03:17] <kairu0> seth_k|lappy, ok here goes,
[03:18] <seth_k|lappy> sweet, that means your Java should start working then :)
[03:18] <seth_k|lappy> kairu0, we can try other stuff if that doesn't work, but sounds like same symptoms
[03:18] <seth_k|lappy> e.g. GTK works but not QT
[03:19] <kairu0> seth_k|lappy, its a no go. now pushing compose produces this 
[03:19] <seth_k|lappy> kairu0, you'll need to remap your compose key
[03:19] <seth_k|lappy> kairu0, in SystemSettings
[03:20] <kairu0> how do i do that?
[03:20] <Knowerrors> other question: do the swf player and plugin debs work? I have both those ubu debs installed and I get Flash fine, but no Shockwave 
[03:20] <seth_k|lappy> Regional & Accessibility > Keyboard Layout > Xkb Options
[03:20] <kairu0> Knowerrors, shockwave wont work no matter what you do
[03:20] <seth_k|lappy> Scroll down and set COMPOSE option how you want it
[03:20] <AEnertia> Knowerrors, shockwave needs crossover office
[03:21] <seth_k|lappy> B/c macromedia hates Linux
[03:21] <seth_k|lappy> or Macrobe now ;)
[03:21] <Knowerrors> hmmm, what about with Wine?
[03:22] <Knowerrors> hehe
[03:22] <sophie_> Knowerrors: screw shockwave
[03:23] <Knowerrors> yeah, I know its a security cornhole
[03:24] <Knowerrors> so its a PITA I assume to setup on Linux, that the idear?
[03:24] <Bangers> kairu0: thanks
[03:24] <Bangers> kairu0: FYI: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~scs49/install_linux.html#destHeader107
[03:25] <AEnertia> Knowerrors, crossover office is wine
[03:25] <AEnertia> But crossover is comercial and designed to support seemless windows plugin installation
[03:25] <Knowerrors> yeah I know, you gotta pay for it, but it works nice with no hastle
[03:26] <_sergio> hi
[03:26] <_jaypee> what package contains the carousel 3d screensaver?
[03:26] <_sergio> does anybody can help me with openoffice?
[03:26] <_sergio> i can't run it
[03:28] <kairu0> _sergio, please be more specific
[03:28] <seth_k|lappy> _jaypee, no such thing in the archives from what I can find
[03:29] <seth_k|lappy> unless it's in a bigger package, like one of the kscreensaver packages
[03:30] <_sergio> when i try to open a file like a .doc or .sxw it says "KDEInit can't run '/usr/bin/oowriter' "
[03:30] <redwards> hello can someone tell me why mozilla firefox was not put in Kubuntu
[03:30] <fatejudger> can you mount Windows network drives using the fstab in Breezy?
[03:30] <fatejudger> I remember you couldn't do it in Hoary
[03:30] <fatejudger> but I thought maybe they fixed that
[03:30] <fatejudger> redwards: download it from apt
[03:30] <redwards> cool thanks
[03:33] <kairu0> _sergio, what happens if you open a console and type /usr/bin/oowriter?
[03:34] <_sergio> let me see
[03:34] <_sergio> bash: /usr/bin/oowriter: No existe el fichero o el directorio
[03:34] <_sergio> it says that
[03:36] <_sergio> do you have oowriter?
[03:36] <kairu0> _sergio, what about /usr/bin/oowriter2?
[03:36] <_sergio> can you send me?
[03:36] <kairu0> _sergio, openoffice 2.0 uses oowriter2
[03:36] <_sergio> it says the same
[03:37] <_sergio> it says that the directory doesn't exist
[03:37] <kairu0> _sergio, type "/usr/bin/oowriter2"
[03:37] <_sergio> it says the same
[03:38] <_sergio> that the directory doesn't exist
[03:38] <kairu0> are you typing "cd /usr/bin/oowriter2"?
[03:38] <_sergio> yes
[03:39] <kainos> help on HylaFax
[03:39] <kainos> Login failed: 500 'PASS ': Syntax error, expecting password.
[03:40] <kairu0> _sergio, dont type "cd" all you should type is "/usr/bin/oowriter2"
[03:40] <_sergio> let me see
[03:40] <kainos> help on HylaFAX -> Login failed: 500 'PASS ': Syntax error, expecting password.
[03:40] <_sergio> no, it says the same that the directory doesn't exist
[03:40] <kairu0> _sergio, ok then you should install openoffice. do that in adept
[03:41] <_sergio> thats another problem
[03:41] <_sergio> when I type F2 + ALT, it don't run adept
[03:42] <_sergio> and i update all the system yesterday
[03:42] <_sergio> with kynaptic
[03:42] <_sergio> i think i am going back to windows
[03:42] <kairu0> _sergio, then you can use kynaptic instead of adept
[03:43] <_sergio> thank you
[03:43] <kainos> Help on HylaFAX -> Login failed: 500 'PASS ': Syntax error, expecting password.
[03:43] <kairu0> _sergio, no prolem
[03:44] <fatejudger> can someone with a wireless card pastebin their /etc/network/interfaces file?
[03:44] <kainos> Help on HylaFAX -> Login failed: 500 'PASS ': Syntax error, expecting password.
[03:45] <ubuntu> damn storms.
[03:45] <kainos> Help on HylaFAX -> Login failed: 500 'PASS ': Syntax error, expecting password.
[03:45] <fatejudger> doesn't anyone have a wireless card?
[03:46] <nalioth> ubotu: tell kainos about repeat
[03:46] <fatejudger> lol
[03:46] <fatejudger> nalioth: good one
[03:46] <Chanika> I'm just going to play with my laptop until this is over... darn desktops and their lack of batteries
[03:46] <fatejudger> Chanika: can you pastebin your interfaces file?
[03:46] <Chanika> why?
[03:46] <Chanika> what interfaces file?
[03:46] <fatejudger> Chanika: mine broke
[03:46] <fatejudger> Chanika: I have no idea how
[03:47] <Chanika> I just booted kubuntu livecd for the first time
[03:47] <fatejudger> Chanika: /etc/network/interfaces
[03:47] <fatejudger> Chanika: oh ok, lol
[03:47] <fatejudger> Chanika: I guess you can't help me then
[03:47] <Chanika> and it's alreay bugging me that there isn't a konsole shortcut on the taskbar
[03:48] <fatejudger> Chanika: well put one on there
[03:48] <nalioth> exit
[03:48] <Chanika> fatejudger: not much point on a livecd :)
[03:48] <Chanika> mm, but this is shiny...
[03:48] <Chanika> I like how the menus aren't quite so instanelyt cluttered
[03:49] <Chanika> and konsole defaults to a black bg, good- white hurt my brain
[03:51] <fatejudger> I think my Breezy partition on my laptop is falling apart
[03:51] <fatejudger> X won't boot anymore
[03:51] <fatejudger> for no apparent reason
[03:52] <kairu0> fatejudger, maybe you are victim of the /dev/mice bug
[03:52] <kairu0> /dev/input/mice
[03:55] <fatejudger> dev/input/mice???
[03:55] <fatejudger> well, I do have a USB mouse plugged in
[03:55] <fatejudger> but I've never had a problem before with it
[03:55] <fatejudger> it just started!
[03:56] <kairu0> are you on the final breezy or one of the colonies?
[03:56] <fatejudger> final
[03:56] <regeya> ok, here's where I get embarrassed
[03:57] <fatejudger> I was just trying to get samba working
[03:57] <regeya> I hadn't heard 'colonies' until a couple of days ago
[03:57] <fatejudger> so I changed my computer name
[03:57] <regeya> where have I been?
[03:57] <fatejudger> once I did that, I restarted my computer
[03:57] <fatejudger> and then my wireless didn't work anymore
[03:57] <fatejudger> so I manually enable it and got an IP using DHCP
[03:57] <kairu0> fatejudger, hmmmmm 
[03:57] <fatejudger> samba still wasn't working, so I restarted again
[03:57] <fatejudger> and then X didn't boot up
[03:57] <fatejudger> now X is booting up again
[03:58] <kairu0> fatejudger, did you read /var/log/xorg.0 (or whatever its called)
[03:58] <fatejudger> but my wireless card still doesn't work
[03:58] <fatejudger> how could my wireless card just stop working?
[03:58] <fatejudger> I have three extra lines in /etc/network/interfaces
[03:59] <ecobuntu> does the k stand for kewl?
[03:59] <fatejudger> auto ath0, wireless-essid Chiron, and iface ath0 inet dhcp
[03:59] <kairu0> ecobuntu, yes
[04:00] <fatejudger> ecobuntu: it stands for Krazy!
[04:00] <ecobuntu> korny?
[04:00] <fatejudger> ecobuntu: krappy!
[04:00] <ecobuntu> kleptomanic?
[04:00] <kairu0> fatbrain, isnt auto ath0 supposed to be at the end?
[04:00] <kairu0> oops fatejudger,
[04:00] <fatejudger> fatbrain?
[04:00] <fatejudger> lol
[04:00] <fatejudger> it's supposed to be at the end?
[04:00] <kairu0> i think so
[04:01] <fatbrain> hehe, stop using autocomplete if you don't know how to use it :P
[04:01] <fatejudger> ok, saved and restarting
[04:01] <fatbrain> nickcompletion*
[04:01] <kairu0> sayonara
[04:01] <propagandhi> how does one use nickcompletion 
[04:02] <kairu0> propagandhi, i push tab in xchat 
[04:02] <kainos> does anyone knows how to configure host access to hylafax server for ubuntu?
[04:03] <propagandhi> lol, oh okay, how easy should have thought of trying similar to terminal completion
[04:03] <fatejudger> kairu0: wireless is still not functional
[04:03] <fatejudger> kairu0: X still works though
[04:04] <kairu0> fatejudger, do you have an wep key?
[04:04] <fatejudger> kairu0: no, open wireless
[04:04] <fatejudger> kairu0: WEP is for the paranoid
[04:04] <kairu0> hmm
[04:04] <Oniichan> what card do you have?
[04:04] <kairu0> whatever. its for the secure
[04:04] <kairu0> but your card worked until now right?
[04:04] <fatejudger> DWL-G650
[04:04] <fatejudger> mac filtering works just fine
[04:04] <fatejudger> yes, my card always worked
[04:04] <fatejudger> until now
[04:04] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: www.kismet.org
[04:05] <fatejudger> why do I want kismet now?
[04:05] <kairu0> mac filtering ok too. but i like wep because i'm l33t h@x0r
[04:05] <fatejudger> yeah well
[04:05] <fatejudger> I took Cisco
[04:05] <fatejudger> and I realized it did jack shit
[04:05] <kairu0> lol
[04:05] <fatejudger> besides, it takes up 25% of your bandwidth
[04:05] <kairu0> i took cisco
[04:05] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: I run a wireless ISP - I can walk thru your mac filtering in less than 10 seconds, WEP would at least take me a week or so probably.
[04:05] <fatejudger> and adds latency
[04:05] <kairu0> no it doesnt
[04:05] <fatejudger> yes it does
[04:05] <fatejudger> don't believe me, look it up
[04:05] <kairu0> no it doesnt cherry on top
[04:05] <fatejudger> lol
[04:05] <fatejudger> it does
[04:05] <fatejudger> 25%
[04:06] <LeeJunFan> it doesn't take that much BW but it does add a little latency depentant mostly on the hardware in use.
[04:06] <Oniichan> lol mac filter is more secure anyway
[04:06] <kairu0> i dont believe you
[04:06] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: yeah right
[04:06] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: only if I was online
[04:06] <kairu0> and i'm not goin to look it up lol
[04:06] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: and you were sitting outside capturing packets
[04:06] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: router broadcast packets don't count
[04:06] <kairu0> fatejudger, see! your phony network security let LeeJunFan sneak right into the secure conversation
[04:06] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: with WEP yeah, that's what I'm saying - it would take a while, mac filtering I can get past in seconds.
[04:07] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: not if I wasn't online
[04:07] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: if I was gone, it would take you all day
[04:07] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: since you'd have to wait for me to get back
[04:07] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: it would take only one packet from you.
[04:07] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: of course
[04:07] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: but I would have to send it
[04:07] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: which would mean that I would have to be online when you were there
[04:07] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: so you don't use it at all eh? I guess that's secure. duh.
[04:07] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: and you would have to know that it was using mac filtering
[04:08] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: as soon as I tried to pass traffic and it didn't work I'd have a pretty big clue.
[04:08] <kairu0> speaking of security i can open my mysql database in openoffice with myodbc, but i cant edit the fields. is this a permission problem?
[04:08] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: your wireless connection could have a bad signal
[04:08] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: that would have the same symptoms
[04:08] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: and how many people use mac filtering for wireless security?
[04:08] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: really
[04:09] <LeeJunFan> I know enough about RF to troubleshoot this. I've done 25 mile links with 802.11 and high gain antennas.
[04:09] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: nobody,
[04:09] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: more than you think.
[04:09] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: I do - but not at the access point.
[04:09] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: the point is, I've created a nuisance
[04:09] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: tons of my neighbors have open APs
[04:09] <kairu0> fatejudger, the point is, you dont like any words that start with wep-
[04:09] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: they won't connect to mine, because it would be easier to just connect to an open one
[04:10] <fatejudger> kairu0: not if they steal my bandwidth
[04:10] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: I agree that in 99% of the time that most people would stop there. But without WEP or at least some other kind of encryption everything is sniffable.
[04:10] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: I live in the back of the residential neighborhood
[04:10] <Knowerrors> Does anyone have the "GTK styles and fonts" setting working in Kubuntu 5.10 Look and Feel settings section?  Mine does nothing, even though I have a bunch of gtk libs and themes installed
[04:10] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: nobody comes back here unless they live here
[04:11] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: the likelyhood of some person wanting to steal my wireless connection
[04:11] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: and ignoring all of my neighbor's open wireless connections
[04:11] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: it's so small, it's almost laughable
[04:11] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: that's true.
[04:11] <kairu0> Knowerrors, mine didnt work until i switched it from "use qt theme" to a specific theme
[04:11] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: I'd rather have ALL of my bandwidth
[04:12] <fatejudger> anyway, my problem is still here
[04:12] <fatejudger> I can't connect
[04:12] <fatejudger> well, I can
[04:12] <fatejudger> but not automatically
[04:12] <Knowerrors> kairu0: clicking on that button does nada for me, no settings dialog comes up
[04:12] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: I agree, my wireless network is mixed. I prefer non wep for myself because of the latency and online gaming dont' mix.
[04:12] <kairu0> Knowerrors, in System Settings -> Appearance, right?
[04:13] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: yeah, it takes away bandwidth and adds latency
[04:13] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: but then I vpn everything between my laptop and my router at the NOC too.
[04:13] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: and many times I'll bridge a connection on my laptop to my Xbox
[04:13] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: which I still haven't figured out how to do on Linux
[04:13] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: so I have to boot into Windows every time
[04:13] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: the important stuff anyway, like mail, some IM, and what not.
[04:14] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: do you know how to bridge connections in Linux?
[04:14] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: yeah, it's pretty simple.
[04:14] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: do you have bridge tools installed?
[04:14] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: bridge-utils actually.
[04:16] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: just up both your interfaces with ifconfig with an address of 0.0.0.0, then brctl addbr br0 ; brctl addif eth0 ; brctl addif wlan0 ; ifconfig br0 [ip]  netmask [netmask] 
[04:17] <LeeJunFan> brb, gotta run outside and turn off my compressor, making my power backups beep when it kicks on. hehe
[04:17] <fatejudger> I should write a bash script for that
[04:17] <fatejudger> lol
[04:23] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: just don't double bridge to your switch you'll mess up the bridging tables and mess up your switch, have to reboot it.
[04:23] <fatejudger> double bridge?
[04:23] <fatejudger> well how do I get my wireless working right now
[04:24] <fatejudger> using the /etc/network/interfaces
[04:25] <meangreenlizard> Hi, anyone got a qt3-designer with working sql-plugin?
[04:26] <kairu0> fatejudger, it works when you manually restart networking yeah?
[04:26] <fatejudger> kairu0: yes
[04:26] <kairu0> fatejudger, are you using ndiswrapper?
[04:26] <fatejudger> no
[04:26] <fatejudger> I tried using it
[04:26] <fatejudger> but then I uninstalled
[04:26] <fatejudger> it didn't work too well
[04:27] <fatejudger> everything is written for stupid Gnome
[04:27] <kairu0> lol
[04:27] <LeeJunFan> Configuration is done using the iwconfig program; see iwconfig(8). For each possible command parameter of iwconfig you can include an option in /etc/network/interfaces named like that parameter with a "wireless-" prefix.
[04:27] <kairu0> fatejudger, you sure dhcp isnt timing out?
[04:28] <fatejudger> when I do, "sudo dhclient ath0" it works
[04:28] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: did you see the commands I had in that file?
[04:30] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: in interfaces put: auto ath0 - then do iface ath0 inet dhcp on another line
[04:30] <fatejudger> they were: auto ath0, wireless-essid Chiron, and iface ath0 inet dhcp
[04:30] <LeeJunFan> well, hrm.
[04:30] <LeeJunFan> hehe, that should have done it.
[04:30] <fatejudger> maybe ndiswrapper broke it
[04:31] <duende> Help : sudo will not work for me for some reason.  when i issue any command with sudo, it doesn't ask for password nor does the command work.  i tried with multiple users, and i don't have a password set for root.  any ideas?
[04:31] <LeeJunFan> maybe ndiswrapper isn't getting loaded until after interfaces is run.
[04:31] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: I don't use ndiswrapper though
[04:32] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: I first used the native drivers
[04:32] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: and then tried to use ndiswrapper to get the 108 mbps speeds my card gets
[04:32] <LeeJunFan> ah, then nevermind. ndiswrapper shouldn't make any dif then.
[04:32] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: but ndiswrapper sucks
[04:32] <LeeJunFan> yeah.
[04:32] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: so I removed the module
[04:32] <kairu0> ndiswrapper works great for me
[04:32] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: I couldn't ever get ndiswrapper working
[04:34] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: I dunno, I use madwifi (ath) also, but I don't have my wireless setup in interfaces because I have so many different places my wireless config is different it would be pointless anyway.
[04:35] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: I wonder if you used a pre-up command in interfaces to modprobe ath_pci?
[04:35] <fatejudger> yeah
[04:35] <fatejudger> I did modprobe ndiswrapper or something
[04:35] <LeeJunFan> under your iface line, add one that says pre-up modprobe ath_pci
[04:36] <LeeJunFan> btw, double bridging would be if you had say 2 wireless cards connected to the same AP, or a wireless card and a wired connection to the same AP, and bridged those 2 interfaces together on your linux.
[04:37] <LeeJunFan> a very confusing DoS to the switch/ap.
[04:38] <AEnertia> so ubuntu does not use multiarch layout for it libs... is this correct
[04:38] <AEnertia> ?
[04:38] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: ok, thanks
[04:38] <LeeJunFan> AEnertia: correct, it's true 64 bit only.
[04:38] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: I'll try that after I get back from the concert
[04:38] <LeeJunFan> AEnertia: you have to do a chrooted installation for the 32bit libs.
[04:38] <AEnertia> well thats bloody stupid
[04:38] <LeeJunFan> AEnertia: yes and no.
[04:39] <AEnertia> No... it's stupid.. 
[04:39] <AEnertia> I have read the debian rationale and heard the arguments
[04:39] <AEnertia> it's just bloody mindedness
[04:39] <AEnertia> It's a nightmare to maintain
[04:39] <LeeJunFan> AEnertia: I can see both sides of the argument, but I happen to be more on your side with that.
[04:40] <AEnertia> archs that support natively >1 arch... should use multilib
[04:40] <AEnertia> qed
[04:41] <AEnertia> So.. basically because of a silly decision from debian team. Ubuntu as amd64 arch is effectively useless as a 0 hassle desktop distro... 
[04:42] <LeeJunFan> AEnertia: yeah. No flashplugin, no openoffice, no vmware, etc without hassle. They do have openoffice in the distro, but if you want to do it yourself it's a pain in the ass.
[04:42] <AEnertia> Someone needs to create some scripts to rectify this issue. I can't actually imagine it being that difficult
[04:42] <AEnertia> but it would break package compat
[04:43] <LeeJunFan> AEnertia: It's all tied to libc, which everything is tied to, so you would have to change libc, which would then break everythign that relied on it == your whole system.
[04:43] <LeeJunFan> AEnertia: right.
[04:44] <LeeJunFan> AEnertia: it's assnine enough that I run 32bit on my AMD64.
[04:44] <AEnertia> LeeJunFan, well I will probably have to do that for this guy.... the problem is tho that I beleive there may be some issues with running 32bit kernel on this particular hardware combination
[04:45] <AEnertia> There certainly is with vanila kernel
[04:45] <LeeJunFan> I do a lot of work for other people, which means I have to use windows on occasion, so I need VMWare to work.
[04:45] <AEnertia> But it remains to be seen with ubuntu's patched to hell kernel
[04:45] <LeeJunFan> AEnertia: why's that?
[04:45] <LeeJunFan> AEnertia: I'm running vanilla here.
[04:45] <LeeJunFan> 2.6.14
[04:45] <AEnertia> Various issues with badly implemented irq polling
[04:46] <AEnertia> from the various threads on the net i've read it seems that running native amd64 kern fixes most of the issues I was experiences
[04:46] <LeeJunFan> AEnertia: sure it's not just ACPI?
[04:46] <AEnertia> LeeJunFan,  http://aenertia.net/megabook_m635.html
[04:46] <LeeJunFan> AEnertia: ah.
[04:46] <AEnertia> Trust me it's not 
[04:46] <AEnertia> I was hoping to put kubuntu 5.10 amd64 on his laptop this weekend.
[04:47] <AEnertia> But now i've learned that multilib is b0rked ... I won't 
[04:47] <kairu0> anyone have realplayer working?
[04:47] <AEnertia> there are too many gotchas and I need whatever I put on to be seemless.
[04:47] <AEnertia> I can fix everything... but the point is that I don't want to give the impression that linux is difficult
[04:48] <AEnertia> So... I will try 5.10 32bit first... 
[04:49] <AEnertia> how does 5.10 handle pcmcia ?
[04:49] <AEnertia> does it use pcmcia-cs utlis or the new pcmciautils package?
[04:49] <AEnertia> From memory if ubuntu is using 2.6.12 it's probably using the older style 
[04:49] <AEnertia> which will break stuff if I put an amd64 kernel in.
[04:50] <AEnertia> Gah!... so will the ati drivers... Nope thats not going to work...
[04:50] <LeeJunFan> AEnertia: I dunno, I was wondering that myself before, but never got around to trying it.
[04:50] <AEnertia> LeeJunFan,  well it will work fine as long as you don't have any external modules that need to be present
[04:50] <LeeJunFan> AEnertia: keep in mind too that the ATI drivers are not yet 2.6.14 friendly, but should work with 2.6.13 ok.
[04:51] <LeeJunFan> AEnertia: yeah, you'd have to compile all that ahead of time against the 64 bit kern.
[04:51] <AEnertia> Well I was using 2.6.13 kernel last time I attacked this thing
[04:51] <LeeJunFan> AEnertia: stick with that for now.
[04:51] <LeeJunFan> AEnertia: I was good with that too, just not .14 yet.
[04:52] <AEnertia> LeeJunFan, but the point is that reports are that 5.10's base kernel (which is 2.6.12-9 I beleive) fixes stuff on this chipset that is obviously not fixed in the vanila tree
[04:52] <AEnertia> hehe Vanila tree...
[04:52] <LeeJunFan> ah, I see - so you are wanting the ubuntu patches.
[04:53] <AEnertia> But I will probably wipe off my image and just do a clean ubuntu install
[04:53] <AEnertia> Coz my image doesn't have system management stuff. Which this guy will need
[04:54] <AEnertia> btw is there a pkg for kmplayer and kmplayer_plugin in universe?
[04:55] <AEnertia> I kmplayer_part plugin is THE best embeeded media plugin I have found. 
[04:55] <LeeJunFan> not in 32 bit, I think it's no more.
[04:55] <AEnertia> much better even that mplayerplugin on which it is based
[04:55] <LeeJunFan> yeah, only kaffeine now.
[04:55] <AEnertia> Ok I can live with compiling that 
[04:55] <AEnertia> yik kaffine
[04:56] <AEnertia> mplayer in pkgs? how about mplayer-plugin-dev and libgecko-sdk?
[04:57] <AEnertia> That stuff is foul
[04:57] <AEnertia> or 100+
[04:57] <LeeJunFan> don't see either of those.
[04:58] <AEnertia> (which argueably are just as foul)
[04:58] <AEnertia> They are isotonic drinks
[04:58] <AEnertia> i.e meant to be good for you.
[04:58] <AEnertia> man I can't beleive you havn't heard of Pocari sweat.
[04:58] <LeeJunFan> mplayer is of course, as in the plugin, but not dev.
[04:58] <AEnertia> It has cult status, because of it's strange name
[04:59] <AEnertia> mplayer source?
[04:59] <LeeJunFan> my therapist says I can't join a cult.
[04:59] <LeeJunFan> :)
[04:59] <AEnertia> lol
[04:59] <LeeJunFan> probably I don't have source in my apt list so I can't easily auto-complete those out :)
[05:00] <AEnertia> ahh
[05:00] <AEnertia> what about libgecko-sdk?
[05:01] <LeeJunFan> couldn't find it.
[05:01] <AEnertia> sorry to bug you.. I'm just trying to figure out what I'll need to get from source
[05:01] <LeeJunFan> libgecko2.0-cil  libgecko-cil
[05:01] <AEnertia> dunno what the cil affix is
[05:01] <AEnertia> one more ... gtkpod
[05:02] <AEnertia> (needed for ipod support in amarok)
[05:02] <LeeJunFan> yeah, it's there.
[05:02] <AEnertia> sweet
[05:02] <AEnertia> K... now all I need to pray the 32bit ubuntu kernel works
[05:03] <LeeJunFan> fags at FX took my show off.
[05:04] <Sadistic> what show?
[05:04] <AEnertia> do you know if the plugattached dhcp plugin is in 5.10 by default?
[05:04] <LeeJunFan> over there
[05:04] <LeeJunFan> AEnertia: I don't.
[05:05] <at1as> 
[05:05] <AEnertia> i.e the thing that detects there is a cable in your ethernet device and runs dhcp only when that happens
[05:06] <LeeJunFan> AEnertia: yeah, I know what you mean, but I don't know how that's supported in ubuntu. I don't even have my ethernet configured :) I 
[05:07] <LeeJunFan> I'm sure they have something for that.
[05:08] <LeeJunFan> I think I remember reading something about that for wireless, but don't remember what it was. I do a lot of work on other peoples networks, some secure ones that sending anythign out an ethernet port by accident could be a bad idea. :) So I don't auto up any ethernet devices.
[05:12] <kkathman> hello all :)
[05:13] <kalenedrael> Hello.
[05:22] <kairu0> hey all
[05:23] <NCLife> hi
[05:24] <NCLife> its surprisingly quite now..
[05:24] <nybble> Hey Riddell
[05:24] <NCLife> oh no, i was always on ubuntu, rofl
[05:25] <nybble> I hate being in #ubuntu
[05:25] <kairu0> NCLife, so does that make you a gnome user?
[05:26] <NCLife> heh, no
[05:26] <nalioth> nybble: dont start slingin any static in here, please. "Hate" is such a finite word
[05:26] <NCLife> i ve installed kubuntu just a couple of days ago, and this is the first time i use konversation
[05:27] <nybble> well its true. Cant get a word in edge-wise half the time
[05:27] <NCLife> i used to be in ubuntu on mIRC, thats why i got confused
[05:28] <nybble> Riddell: So, about con support for Kubuntu...
[05:28] <nalioth> i dont think ridde11 is currently here
[05:28] <jubei> I cant get glx to work in breezy using the run package install or the nvidia-glx-legacy packages.
[05:28] <nybble> i was just talking to him in u-meeting
[05:29] <kairu0> NCLife, i switched from xubuntu to kubuntu about a week ago
[05:29] <jubei> with the nvidia-glx package do you use the "nv" driver still?
[05:29] <nybble> jubei: no, nvidia
[05:29] <nybble> not nv
[05:30] <jubei> why doesnt the guide tell you to change it then?
[05:30] <cvogel> Excuse me, I have a quick question.
[05:30] <kairu0> cvogel, shoot
[05:30] <jubei> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[05:30] <aeon17x> cvogel: just ask and we'll see what we can do.
[05:31] <cvogel> I'm editing /etc/fstab to mount my windows partition.. but it's all permission protected and passing user as an option doesn't seem to help.. what arguments must I pass it to allow me to browse it without sudo
[05:31] <cvogel> ?
[05:31] <kairu0> cvogel, is it ntfs or fat32?
[05:31] <cvogel> ntfs
[05:32] <Riddell> nybble: ask me closer to the time and I may be able to get you CDs
[05:32] <nybble> oki :D
[05:32] <Riddell> nybble: or ask me in about a month
[05:32] <nybble> Riddell: no problem...
[05:33] <Riddell> nybble: and if you want to be the kubuntu t-shirtmanager you'd gett lots of those too 
[05:33] <cvogel> -- /dev/sda1  /windows   ntfs   defaults 0  0 -- that's the mount line
[05:33] <nybble> i have no problem with that. Where do I go for details on that position
[05:34] <Riddell> nybble: you would have to design and order a bunch of t-shirts then post them out to people I say so (i.e. people organising KDE or kubuntu stalls at conferences)
[05:34] <kairu0> cvogel, if you want to write ntfs, you'll have to use an alternative ntfs file driver. ive never used it though
[05:34] <kairu0> anyone help him with that?
[05:34] <Riddell> nybble: I should be able to get money out of canonical for that
[05:34] <nybble> yay :D... ok.. i'll work on something then
[05:34] <cvogel> I just want to be able to read it primarily
[05:35] <kairu0> oh reading it is different
[05:35] <Riddell> nybble: where do you live?
[05:35] <kairu0> /dev/hda1            /windows/C           ntfs       noauto,ro,users,gid=users,umask=0002,nls=utf8 0 0
[05:35] <nybble> heh. Hamilton, ON Canada
[05:36] <nybble> fairly close to Toronto
[05:36] <cvogel> thanks
[05:36] <cvogel> let me give it a try
[05:37] <cvogel> great! :)
[05:37] <cvogel> thanks a lot
[05:37] <hbrednek> Anyone out there have suggestions as to where I might get some kubuntu help?
[05:37] <Riddell> nybble: we would need a design that KDE exhibitors would be happy wearing, I'm thinking something with konqi and a KDE logo and a kubuntu logo
[05:38] <nalioth> hbrednek: here would be a good place to start :)
[05:38] <hbrednek> OK, I have security problem
[05:38] <nybble> hmmm...
[05:38] <cvogel> what is the gid?
[05:38] <hbrednek> In particular, on a new installation I have been unable to access some of the screens that require "administrator" privileges
[05:39] <cvogel> and the umask and nls, lol?
[05:39] <hbrednek> I can 'sudo' to do about anything in a terminal window, 
[05:39] <nybble> Riddell: i need to find some of its art then...
[05:39] <Riddell> hbrednek: I uploaded a fix for that an hour ago, it should be available tomorrow
[05:39] <hbrednek> Oh, so this is a known problme?
[05:40] <nalioth> hbrednek: yes it is
[05:40] <Riddell> nybble: kubuntu logo https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuArtwork
[05:40] <nybble> i knew about that...... Konqi is my current search
[05:40] <Riddell> nybble: http://kde.org/stuff/clipart.php kde logos and konqi
[05:40] <Riddell> nybble: http://kde.org/stuff/clipart/konqi-klogo-official-400x500.png is nice
[05:41] <Riddell> and has a high res version
[05:41] <kkathman> back sorry...had to respond to an email
[05:41] <hbrednek> OK, then the normal technique would be to run Adept and things will get better?
[05:41] <cvogel> ahh es.. gid = group id
[05:41] <Riddell> hbrednek: adept updater yes
[05:42] <hbrednek> OK then I'll run adept updater tomorrow and not bug anybody until then.  Thanks.
[05:42] <Riddell> hbrednek: in the mean time you can run kbuildsycoca to fix the problem
[05:42] <Riddell> (not sudo)
[05:43] <hbrednek> run kbuildsycoca from the command line?
[05:43] <Riddell> hbrednek: yes
[05:43] <hbrednek> OK, I'll try it.  The kubuntu machine is in another room.  This one's running ubuntu.
[05:44] <nybble> Time to fire up my graphic workstation
[05:46] <Riddell> nybble: I need to go to bed now but if you could come with with a design with that konqi (high res version) and kubuntu logo then find a price for 50 or 100 t-shirts like that it would be cool
[05:46] <Riddell> I'm jriddell@ubuntu.com
[05:46] <nybble> I'll work on it. :D
[05:47] <nybble> Should have something within the next 3 days.
[05:47] <Riddell> nybble: KDE exhibitors used to get free t-shirts from kde league but that's dead now so canonical says if I fnd someone to manage them they'll pay for the same thing
[05:47] <nybble> :D
[05:47] <Riddell> nybble: what's your name?
[05:48] <nybble> John, and yours?
[05:48] <Riddell> Jonathan :)
[05:48] <nybble> ! :D
[05:48] <ubotu> Wish i knew, nybble
[05:48] <nybble> lol!
[05:48] <nybble> !botsnack
[05:48] <ubotu> thanks nybble :)
[05:49] <nybble> ok Riddell, I'll talk to you later then... btw. my email is nybbled@gmail.com
[05:50] <hbrednek> Cool.  kbuildsycoca's magic was enough.  What does it actually do?
[05:50] <frank23> anyone know where I could find other freely accessible dns servers? my isp's dns servers seem very slow
[05:50] <nalioth> Riddell: is the forwarding working now?
[05:51] <nybble> Alright riddell, I just emailed you to make sure it works...
[05:51] <Riddell> nalioth: forwarding?
[05:52] <nalioth> jriddell@ubuntu.com
[05:52] <kairu0> anyone know of any good apps?
[05:52] <nalioth> Riddell: the email forwarding
[05:52] <nalioth> kairu0: er, all of them?
[05:52] <kairu0> ok that was a bad question
[05:52] <Riddell> nalioth: it's always worked as far as I know
[05:52] <kairu0> lol
[05:53] <kairu0> any really good apps that you're impressed with right now
[05:53] <nalioth> Riddell: just wondering
[05:53] <nybble> hehe...
[05:53] <nybble> nybble@linux.ca... great forward :D
[05:54] <Riddell> kairu0: yakuake
[05:54] <kairu0> yakuake.. whats that?
[05:57] <nybble> well, i'm going to hit the hay aswell... in a few minutes atleast
[06:06] <hbrednek> \leave
[06:11] <propagandhi> yeah yakuake is awesome
[06:11] <kkathman> geez I just thought yakuake was a console :)
[06:11] <propagandhi> it is, but its so handy
[06:12] <kairu0> lol
[06:12] <kkathman> handy??  
[06:12] <kkathman> hehe
[06:12] <kairu0> say anyone ever done this? paste a mysql table in an openoffice spreadsheet that dynamically updates
[06:12] <kkathman> whats the diff between konsole and yakuake?
[06:17] <AEnertia> transparency support
[06:17] <AEnertia> basically eyekandy
[06:17] <kkathman> konsole has transparency
[06:17] <AEnertia> kkathman, not really
[06:17] <AEnertia> it has fake transparency
[06:17] <kkathman> well it does on my system fake or "real" lol
[06:17] <AEnertia> Move it around and put some windows behind it
[06:17] <AEnertia> you'll see what I mean
[06:18] <kkathman> yah its a bit rough Im sure :)
[06:18] <AEnertia> yukakae support composite extensions and other stuff, so you get REAL transparency
[06:18] <kkathman> I dont need all the fancy stuff...especially if Im gonna just run commands :)
[06:18] <kkathman> I just put it in a desktop and go to it when I need it :)
[06:18] <AEnertia> I think yukakae does some other stuff aswell
[06:19] <kkathman> how much CPU does it crank with the "eyecandy"
[06:20] <kkathman> cuz superkaramba really spikes the cpu use
[06:20] <nalioth> kkathman: and heats your house in winter
[06:21] <laszlok> thats cause superkaramba does double buffering
[06:21] <kkathman> lol true nalioth  :)
[06:21] <kkathman> double buffering...sounds satanic
[06:21] <laszlok> superkaramba continues to process even when its behind windows, so if you move something quick it comes up quick
[06:22] <kkathman> Thats why I went back to gkrelm...instead of my cynapses sK theme....CPU idles at 2% now not 22%
[06:22] <laszlok> of course MacOSX does that for all the windows so you never have to wait for windows to draw thenselves
[06:22] <nalioth> kkathman: psst, try conky
[06:22] <gp_aaron> how well will kubuntu run on a p2 350 with 128MBs of ram?
[06:23] <kkathman> gp_aaron: 128MB is pushing a KDE gui I'd say...but its "tolerable"
[06:23] <kkathman> just dont expect "performant"
[06:24] <kkathman> nalioth: try konqi for what?
[06:24] <nalioth> kkathman: conky.sourceforge.net   not konqui
[06:24] <kkathman> oh...uhm...for what?
[06:24] <kkathman> nalioth: im not having good luck compiling things recently :(
[06:24] <gp_aaron> kkathman, currently they are using windows 2000, and it takes nearly 5 minutes for firefox to open on account of the anti-spyware that they don't run, the spyware they get from not running the anti-spyware, the anti-virus
[06:25] <nalioth> kkathman: modern program in the vein of gkrellm. conky is waiting for you in the repos
[06:25] <gp_aaron> personally I don't like KDE
[06:25] <gp_aaron> but i'm looking to make the seamless transition for them
[06:25] <kkathman> gp_aaron: I ran KDE on a 96MB machine and it would run, but spent most of its time caching.  I suspect with 128 it will do alot of that also.
[06:26] <gp_aaron> kkathman, it's really only going to run OpenOffice2, amsn/gaim, and firefox
[06:26] <kkathman> I run Gnome on a 256MB Dell thats a P3 450 and its fine
[06:26] <kkathman> gp_aaron: you'll need more memory I think .. but you can try it
[06:27] <gp_aaron> upgrades are not a option
[06:27] <gp_aaron> it's my girlfriends computer
[06:27] <gp_aaron> and her dad
[06:27] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> hi!
[06:27] <nalioth> openoffice sucks ram like a pig sucks swill
[06:27] <gp_aaron> they are tight on cash, trying to save up for a new vehicle
[06:27] <kkathman> replacing Windows with Linux eh...thats not a bad choice for older computers...thats what I did
[06:27] <gp_aaron> kkathman, indeed
[06:28] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> how can i change settings to cron in order to start updatedb for indexed locate only in at a certain time?
[06:28] <AEnertia> vectorlinux for olderhardware
[06:28] <gp_aaron> that way I don't have to go over there every week to clean out the computer, now I can spend more time with her at her house, than with her computer at her house
[06:28] <AEnertia> or if it's REALY old deli linux
[06:28] <AEnertia> with pathetic office!
[06:28] <gp_aaron> AEnertia, i was going to go with slackware or arch
[06:28] <kkathman> gp_aaron: I got an old P3-450 Dell with 256mb and an older HP with 96MB both running ubuntu on my network as storage units...work like a champ
[06:29] <AEnertia> works on old 486 laptops with like 8mb
[06:29] <AEnertia> vectorlinux definately for anything with <=128mb
[06:29] <gp_aaron> kkathman, i have a 256 stick of ram in my drawer here but I don't know if it works or not
[06:29] <kkathman> gp_aaron:  I run Gnome on the Dell...very performant, and just run CLI on the HP
[06:29] <AEnertia> ubuntu will work fine on older hardware as long as they have lots of ram
[06:30] <Tm_T> like 64Mt
[06:30] <kkathman> yep...and will recognize the older hardware components too better than most
[06:30] <gp_aaron> kkathman, my main box is gnome on a gig of ram 2.4 GHz p4
[06:30] <gp_aaron> i'm happy away from debian
[06:30] <Tm_T> plah
[06:31] <AEnertia> personally if you have good hardware then gentoo is the way.
[06:31] <AEnertia> =-p
[06:31] <kkathman> gp_aaron: yah my main is 1gb ram, AMD 2500+ no problems
[06:31] <gp_aaron> never
[06:31] <Tm_T> yuk
[06:31] <kkathman> Gentoo is basically only good if you are going to compile alot...and then..its the best
[06:31] <gp_aaron> been there, hated it, thought I was so cool, left and pissed in the flower pot on the way out
[06:31] <AEnertia> good hardware and a good net connection
[06:31] <kkathman> thats just my opinion
[06:32] <gp_aaron> Gentoo is no
[06:32] <kkathman> lol 
[06:32] <kkathman> Gentoo is terrific for developers
[06:32] <gp_aaron> personally there is no better distro than arch
[06:32] <kkathman> but not for the average user and especially not for newbs
[06:32] <gp_aaron> binary and source based
[06:32] <gp_aaron> fast
[06:32] <gp_aaron> i686 oriented
[06:32] <kkathman> gp_aaron: you might try XFCE instead of KDE on that machine...less overhead and you still get a nice GUI
[06:33] <gp_aaron> kkathman, nope
[06:33] <AEnertia> arch seems kinda flakey to me. You could just use a custom gentoo stage4 install to get the same result.. and you still have portage
[06:33] <gp_aaron> kde looks/acts most like windows
[06:33] <AEnertia> which argueably is the best thing about gentoo
[06:33] <gp_aaron> only option
[06:33] <AEnertia> gp_aaron... icewm with ROX desktop
[06:33] <AEnertia> it's kde without the kde bloat
[06:34] <gp_aaron> i'm thinking I might give them my server..
[06:34] <propagandhi> for all that compile time, the benefits speed wise etc are so minimal its not funny
[06:34] <kkathman> gp_aaron:  there's actually another GUI that was designed to be a Windows look alike..but I forget...it begins with an X
[06:34] <propagandhi> xd?
[06:34] <propagandhi> xde?
[06:34] <AEnertia> xfce
[06:34] <kkathman> no
[06:34] <gp_aaron> ncurses:)
[06:34] <nalioth> kkathman: xpde
[06:34] <AEnertia> fwvm?
[06:34] <propagandhi> thats it
[06:34] <propagandhi> xpde
[06:35] <kkathman> XPDE
[06:35] <kkathman> yah thats it
[06:35] <nalioth> too bad xpde is not truly open source. i'd love the irony of running it on my mac hardware
[06:35] <kkathman> very much like Windows
[06:35] <kkathman> nalioth:  hehe
[06:35] <AEnertia> there is of course... always windowmaker
[06:35] <kkathman> but if you have a reluctant user that doesnt want a learning curve...its a choice I guess
[06:36] <gp_aaron> kde by choice
[06:36] <AEnertia> still think icewm with rox desktop is best low overhead windows look alike combo
[06:36] <gp_aaron> i'm seriously thinking about giving them my server
[06:36] <jubei> what is the equivalent of /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modprobe.conf in ubuntu?
[06:36] <AEnertia> it's what vector uses by default
[06:36] <propagandhi> http://www.pcquest.com/content/handson/2005/105090601.asp
[06:36] <kkathman> gp_aaron: check out the XPDE web site you'd be amazed
[06:36] <gp_aaron> kkathman, been there
[06:36] <gp_aaron> done that
[06:36] <gp_aaron> not what I'm looking for
[06:37] <kkathman> ok
[06:37] <gp_aaron> kde is my best option for them
[06:37] <kkathman> then they'll need more RAM
[06:37] <gp_aaron> i'm just trying to figure out if I can salvage my server or not
[06:37] <kkathman> at least 512
[06:37] <gp_aaron> but how well will it run on a 350?
[06:37] <kkathman> slow
[06:37] <kkathman> but probably tolerable with enough mem
[06:37] <kkathman> better than their windows now I bet
[06:38] <gp_aaron> i've got 256 in my server
[06:38] <gp_aaron> it's a amd k6
[06:38] <gp_aaron> i can't remember the clock speed though
[06:39] <AEnertia> athlon 700 with 350mb is good
[06:39] <AEnertia> k6 will die
[06:39] <AEnertia> die a horrible death at that
[06:39] <Chousuke> If you have 256, I'd recommend XFCE4
[06:40] <gp_aaron> clear
[06:40] <gp_aaron> shit
[06:40] <Chousuke> Gnome wil run adequately too. Dunno about KDE
[06:40] <AEnertia> gp_aaron, use vectorlinux and all this is done for you
[06:40] <stupendo44> Is there anywhere I can get a list of "runtime variables". I know what  is, but what is %c or %i or %m?
[06:40] <Chousuke> eek. underlined text?
[06:40] <stupendo44> that was supposed to be % U, but it took it as underline
[06:40] <AEnertia> it's a 2.4 kernel
[06:40] <Chousuke> duh
[06:40] <AEnertia> 2.6 on k6 will kill it
[06:41] <gp_aaron> i also have my old bebox with 512 in it..
[06:41] <Tm_T> Bob Marley & The Wailers - No Woman No Cry
[06:41] <Chousuke> 3
[06:41] <gp_aaron> Tm_T, sublime - No Woman No Cry
[06:41] <kkathman> installed yakuake....cant change the footprint?? or restrict to one desktop?
[06:41] <Tm_T> gp_aaron: :p
[06:41] <Chousuke> oops :p
[06:42] <gp_aaron> Tm_T, seriously I'm listening to it right now
[06:42] <gp_aaron> it started just before you said that
[06:42] <Tm_T> gp_aaron: don't blame me
[06:42] <Tm_T> muhaha
[06:42] <gp_aaron> heh
[06:42] <gp_aaron> i <3 mpd
[06:42] <Chousuke> Blame the kittens! of Doom.
[06:42] <Chousuke> :)
[06:42] <kkathman> hmm
[06:43] <Chousuke> I should think of something useful to say, but I just don't feel like it :P
[06:43] <kkathman> ahh dont feel like there's pressure..relax :)
[06:43] <Knowerrors> Whats the best kde cd cover creator?
[06:45] <gp_aaron> shit i have a project on bios due tomorrow
[06:47] <kkathman> BIOS...kind of a hard topic to write on
[06:47] <kkathman> webopedia :)
[06:51] <propagandhi> just came out of XPDE, it sucks as expected
[06:52] <nalioth> propagandhi: so it's a "good" windows look?
[06:52] <propagandhi> it does an okay job at the look i guess
[06:53] <propagandhi> but it sucks to use, and it was buggy as anything
[06:53] <propagandhi> dont think i'll be going there again
[06:53] <kkathman> yukkers
[06:54] <kkathman> I kinda dont want a Windows look and feel :)
[06:54] <propagandhi> same here
[06:55] <milksteak_> hahaha
[06:55] <milksteak_> wow
[06:55] <milksteak_> propagandhi
[06:55] <milksteak_> awesome band :)
[06:57] <propagandhi> lol
[06:57] <propagandhi> yes indeed
[07:01] <_marlon> how can I install grub in ohter HD ?
[07:02] <propagandhi> _marlon: grub-install /dev/hdaX or /dev/hdbX or /dev/hdcX depending on your setup, where X is the number of the partition
[07:04] <propagandhi> or if its a separate disk all together, leave off the X/number
[07:04] <_marlon> Im in /dev/sda3 but I want install on /dev/sdb to load a linux in sdb when the sda down
[07:05] <propagandhi> ok, so do grub-install /dev/sdb
[07:05] <_marlon> but when I take off the /dev/sda the /dev/sdb will find him how /dev/sda?
[07:06] <propagandhi> _marlon: if grub is installed on both, whats the problem?
[07:07] <_marlon> Im install linux by debootstrap
[07:07] <propagandhi> installing grub to /dev/sdb wont remove it from /dev/sda if its installed there also
[07:07] <_marlon> How can I install grub on /dev/sdb for the system thing the sdb its sda?
[07:07] <_marlon> :)
[07:08] <propagandhi> _marlon: ok... you're not making any sense here. What is your native language
[07:08] <_marlon> dev/sdb does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[07:09] <_marlon> I have hd sata
[07:09] <_marlon> and sorry my veeery bad english
[07:09] <_marlon> :/
[07:12] <Sadistic> what does everyone suggest for an athlon 64 machine... AMD64 or (Intel x86) install CD
[07:12] <AEnertia> Sadistic, i386
[07:13] <kkathman> AEnertia: really!?
[07:13] <AEnertia> coz amd64 doesn't have mutlilib layout support (blame debian upstream) meaning getting 32bit apps to work is a pain
[07:13] <Sadistic> ....if i knew what that was...
[07:13] <kkathman> ahhh wow really??
[07:13] <kkathman> wild
[07:13] <Sadistic> so i386 has better compatability with packages?
[07:14] <kkathman> I need to find a good SK theme monitor that can read my sensors :(
[07:14] <AEnertia> I mean not impossible but if your new to nix then it's probably alot easier for you
[07:14] <nalioth> Sadistic: you wont be able to use flash, or other entertainment things as easily on amd64
[07:14] <nalioth> kkathman: conky
[07:14] <kkathman> no
[07:14] <AEnertia> yeah go with i386 if you want ubuntu
[07:14] <Sadistic> ok so ill go with i386 thank you
[07:14] <AEnertia> Suse 10 amd64 support is much better
[07:14] <kkathman> conky kinda bites
[07:14] <kkathman> but Im sure its ok for some
[07:14] <Sadistic> Kunbuntu is the same distro..just with KDE right?
[07:15] <AEnertia> yup
[07:15] <Sadistic> ok, because im downloading that..
[07:15] <AEnertia> you can just install regular ubuntu aswell and then apt-get/install via synaptic kubuntu-desktop 
[07:15] <kkathman> I like the ubermon theme, but it doesnt have sensors...the cynapses does, but I cant get it to read the temp :(
[07:15] <Sadistic> ... i really need to learn all this =/
[07:16] <Sadistic> kubuntu will be my first distro.. =] 
[07:17] <AEnertia> Sadistic, well ubuntu is pretty easy.. but I recomend you familiarise youself with the support wiki and forums for tips and tricks 
[07:17] <AEnertia> specially over media support
[07:18] <Sadistic> k, thanks
[07:18] <Sadistic> some people told me to use Gentoo, but i didnt know how to install it =/
[07:19] <AEnertia> Yeah gentoo is pretty daunting for first time users
[07:19] <AEnertia> If ubuntu anoys you or you want to switch to amd64 native then use suse 10
[07:19] <AEnertia> imho
[07:19] <AEnertia> ;-)
[07:21] <Sadistic> uh.. thanks...
[07:21] <AEnertia> but I think you will be fine with ubuntu i386 =-)
[07:21] <Sadistic> yeah im going to install it on a spare 160gig hdd
[07:22] <Sadistic> so nothing can go HORRIBLY wrong
[07:22] <Sadistic> *n00b insurance*
[07:23] <kkathman> ggrrrrrr
[07:26] <Sadistic> well, ok thanks all for the help
[07:27] <Sadistic> ill be back after the install possibly tomorrow 
[07:36] <kkathman> it shouldnt take him that long :)
[07:42] <chakie_work> time to install kubuntu on this machine :)
[07:42] <kdude> #hello all!
[07:43] <kdude> anybody here knows how to make MIDI play on a Audigy Value 2
[07:46] <chakie_work> hm, does kubuntu grok sata disks, btw?
[07:46] <AEnertia> it 'groks' them just fine
[07:47] <chakie_work> good
[07:47] <chakie_work> thanks
[07:47] <kairu0> hey all
[07:48] <kkathman> howdy
[07:48] <kairu0> hey kkathman 
[07:48] <kairu0> i use beat quake 2
[07:48] <kkathman> hi kairu0  :)
[07:48] <kkathman> excellent :)
[07:48] <kairu0> what r u doing?
[07:50] <Delvien> What is a dangerous Temperature for a HDD?
[07:55] <kdude> anybody here knows how to make MIDI play on a Audigy Value 2
[08:03] <nwo|on> Unable to open parallel port device file "/dev/lp0": Permission denied       what can i do to fix that?
[08:05] <kairu0> nwo|on, add yourself to the lp group
[08:07] <nwo|on> ok i test it..
[08:10] <nwo|on> ok it doesnt works...
[08:10] <nwo|on> same failure: Unable to open parallel port device file "/dev/lp0": Permission denied
[08:11] <kairu0> hmm
[08:12] <fatejudger> parallel ports are great
[08:12] <nwo|on> and if a want to print a document (e.g. pdf document) this returns: lpr: error - unable to print file: client-error-not-found 
[08:12] <kairu0> theres also lpadmin group. maybe you should be in that
[08:12] <fatejudger> printing documents is great
[08:12] <nwo|on> i am in lp and lpadmin
[08:15] <nwo|on> what can i do to fix this problem?
[08:15] <nwo|on> anyone any idea?
[08:18] <fatejudger> god damnit
[08:18] <fatejudger> ifconfig and iwconfig aren't working anymore
[08:18] <fatejudger> my laptop is going to hell
[08:19] <nwo|on> bad luck...
[08:21] <kairu0> nwo|on, are you using cups?
[08:25] <hussam> what's a good gtk2 theme that actually doesn't look ugly? firefox looks ugly using clearlooks and qtcurve
[08:25] <hussam> :)
[08:25] <kairu0> hussam, install the ifox firefox theme
[08:30] <aftertaf> hussam> pimpfox :)
[08:32] <hussam> kairu0, afteraf : thanks, I'm installing those
[08:33] <hussam> sorry : aftertaf*
[08:34] <hussam> aftertaf : are you sure of the name? I didn't find pimpfox
[08:36] <fatejudger> pimpfox!?!?
[08:39] <gibarian> hey everyone
[08:41] <fatejudger> hi gibarian?
[08:41] <fatejudger> have you a question for the people on #kubuntu?
[08:43] <gibarian> oh yes, I actually do
[08:44] <gibarian> it seems that suddenly I can't open apps which need root access via kdesu anymore...after entering the password, they simply die
[08:44] <gibarian> any idea what the problem could be?
[08:47] <fatejudger> that is a big problem
[08:47] <fatejudger> you see
[08:47] <fatejudger> the problem is that KDE is really buggy right now
[08:47] <fatejudger> it seems as though everybody just got so excited about KDE 4
[08:47] <fatejudger> they forgot KDE 3 existed
[08:48] <fatejudger> so instead of working on KDE 3
[08:48] <fatejudger> they just decided to use us all as guinea pigs for KDE 4
[08:48] <fatejudger> so KDE 3.5 was born
[08:48] <fatejudger> hopefully the final version will be nice and stable
[08:48] <fatejudger> some of the kdesu things you can't start
[08:48] <fatejudger> especially the ones in the system settings
[08:48] <fatejudger> but some like adep
[08:48] <fatejudger> *adept
[08:48] <fatejudger> if you run it twice
[08:48] <fatejudger> or three times
[08:48] <fatejudger> it'll eventually pop up
[08:49] <fatejudger> hopefully these problem will go away since KDE 3.5 is based on the KDE 4 framework
[08:49] <fatejudger> or so I hear
[08:49] <mornfall> fatejudger: dude
[08:49] <mornfall> fatejudger: kdesu is so not original from kde in kubuntu
[08:50] <fatejudger> and?
[08:50] <mornfall> and that's not a fscking kde fault
[08:50] <fatejudger> yes it is
[08:50] <fatejudger> it's KDE
[08:50] <mornfall> *sigh*
[08:50] <fatejudger> go into system settings
[08:50] <fatejudger> and try and use the administration tools
[08:50] <fatejudger> it doesn't work
[08:50] <fatejudger> those are KDE bugs
[08:50] <mornfall> no
[08:50] <mornfall> those are kubuntu bugs
[08:50] <fatejudger> wtf
[08:50] <mornfall> my kde doesn't have any of those problems
[08:50] <fatejudger> Kubuntu uses KDE
[08:50] <fatejudger> yes well
[08:50] <fatejudger> do you use 3.4.3?
[08:51] <mornfall> it's a 3.5 branch build
[08:51] <mornfall> on other machine 3.4
[08:51] <fatejudger> ok well there you go!
[08:51] <mornfall> from debian packages
[08:51] <fatejudger> yes
[08:51] <mornfall> not a problem either
[08:51] <fatejudger> 3.4
[08:51] <fatejudger> not 3.4.3
[08:51] <fatejudger> 3.4.3 is crappy
[08:51] <fatejudger> 3.4.2 was better
[08:51] <fatejudger> 3.4.3 works out some bugs for 3.5
[08:51] <fatejudger> kdesu is part of kde
[08:51] <fatejudger> notice the KDE part in KDESU
[08:52] <fatejudger> it's a KDE program that uses sudo
[08:52] <hussam> fatejudger: kdesu originally use su but kubuntu patched it to use sudo
[08:52] <mornfall> fatejudger: yes, the interesting part is that (vanilla) kde doesn't use sudo
[08:52] <mornfall> fatejudger: at all
[08:52] <hussam> fatejudger:hence it is a kubuntu bug
[08:52] <mornfall> fatejudger: it's a kubuntu patch... get your facts
[08:52] <fatejudger> there's no patch for it
[08:52] <fatejudger> it's broken
[08:53] <mornfall> oh lord
[08:53] <hussam> lol
[08:53] <fatejudger> show me then
[08:53] <fatejudger> where's the patch?
[08:53] <fatejudger> do you even use KDE 3.4.3?
[08:53] <mornfall> fatejudger: grab your dictionary
[08:53] <fatejudger> KDE sucks now with Breezy
[08:54] <fatejudger> it downright sucks
[08:54] <fatejudger> they should have just kept Hoary
[08:54] <mornfall> someone had a bad morning huh?
[08:54] <fatejudger> I can't believe that people with such a great toolkit and OOP language can't even code shit right
[08:55] <mornfall> hahaha
[08:55] <hussam> fatejudger: so if I understand correctly. you think hoary should be the last kubuntu?
[08:55] <fatejudger> no
[08:55] <fatejudger> I think they shouldn't have released Breezy
[08:55] <crimsun> wait
[08:55] <fatejudger> because it's buggy
[08:55] <crimsun> slow up
[08:55] <hussam> it's not buggy here
[08:55] <crimsun> what precisely is your concern with Kubuntu 5.10?
[08:55] <aftertaf> hussam> https://addons.mozilla.org/themes/moreinfo.php?id=456 pimpzilla 2.0
[08:55] <mornfall> yeah, kubuntu could have used few more weeks of freeze
[08:55] <mornfall> but, *shrug*
[08:56] <fatejudger> yeah well, I could go on for at least 15 minutes on the problems I have with Breezy
[08:56] <fatejudger> notably KDE
[08:56] <Delvien> How do you mount an ISO to act as if it was a CD from your HD
[08:56] <kainos> any1 ?
[08:56] <mornfall> fatejudger: yeah, you had exactly 1 point, right?
[08:56] <mornfall> fatejudger: a kdesu bug
[08:56] <fatejudger> well that's one
[08:56] <crimsun> Delvien: sudo modprobe loop && sudo mount -o loop foo.iso /mnt
[08:56] <mornfall> fatejudger: and the rest? you didn't mention anything else so far
[08:56] <fatejudger> if I wanted to list them all, I'd have to pastebin them all
[08:56] <mornfall> fatejudger: just lots of name-calling
[08:56] <fatejudger> ok well, lets see here
[08:57] <hussam> aftertaf: thanks for the link :)
[08:57] <kainos> does any1 have a complete guide for hylafax configuration
[08:57] <fatejudger> it's got piss-poor support for configuring your system
[08:57] <mornfall> fatejudger: and you filed bugs for them right? you just list bug numbers
[08:57] <fatejudger> system settings wasn't ready for release
[08:57] <fatejudger> come to think of it, adept was barely ready for release
[08:57] <kairu0> you can say that again
[08:57] <crimsun> fatejudger: have you 1) spoken about them on kubuntu-{users,devel}?
[08:57] <hussam> fatejudger: you can always run kcontrol 
[08:57] <fatejudger> this window resizing problem
[08:57] <fatejudger> really blows
[08:58] <crimsun> fatejudger: and as mornfall said, what about bug #s?
[08:58] <fatejudger> system settings needs work
[08:58] <fatejudger> I have no bug numbers, I don't have time to report every problem I have with Linux
[08:58] <fatejudger> I'd rather learn how to fix them myself
[08:58] <aftertaf> i agree that some things arent finished... but these guys are doing kde, ubuntu etc ontheir free time, for a hobby....
[08:58] <mornfall> fatejudger: but you have time to rant here and waste everyone else's time, good
[08:58] <aftertaf> fatejudger> that is a way you can contribute ;)
[08:59] <crimsun> fatejudger: filing bugs is time-consuming, yes, but it helps more than just you
[08:59] <fatejudger> yes well, I have no idea how to apply my hobbyish knowledge of QT and my classroom knowledge of C++ in fixing bugs
[08:59] <fatejudger> so here I am
[08:59] <fatejudger> complaining
[08:59] <fatejudger> I wish I could fix these bugs myself
[08:59] <fatejudger> but apparently I can't
[08:59] <frank23> fatejudger: if you do get to fix your problems your self, it would be worthwhile to write on bugzilla what you did
[08:59] <crimsun> how about working with the Kubuntu guys on it, then?
[08:59] <crimsun> you don't have to fix them -by yourself-
[08:59] <fatejudger> everybody already knows about these problems though
[08:59] <hussam> fatejudger: the least you can do is report the bugs you find to bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[09:00] <fatejudger> crimsun: I no nothing about real-world software implementation
[09:00] <hussam> fatejudger: not every bug will appear on all computers
[09:00] <fatejudger> crimsun: only classroom work and hobby related QT stuff
[09:00] <crimsun> fatejudger: what better place to start, then, than with KDE?
[09:00] <aftertaf> in that way fatejudger i understand your frustration....
[09:00] <fatejudger> well nobody has told me how
[09:00] <fatejudger> they just give me a link
[09:01] <fatejudger> and expect me to know what the hell I'm doing
[09:01] <mornfall> fatejudger: that's not much to give an opinion like [08:59:14]  < fatejudger> I can't believe that people with such a great toolkit and OOP language can't even code shit right
[09:01] <fatejudger> I'm not used to developing and debugging such huge programs
[09:01] <fatejudger> I have no idea where to start
[09:01] <fatejudger> yeah well, it is sad
[09:01] <fatejudger> QT 4 is great
[09:01] <crimsun> fatejudger: well, window resizing stuff is probably going to be related to the window manager -- if you can reproduce it for all apps in kwin
[09:01] <mornfall> oh, and just FYI, C++ is a multiparadigm language not oop
[09:01] <mornfall> and qt sort of sucks
[09:01] <mornfall> but yeah, you know the best
[09:01] <fatejudger> mornfall: QT is great compared to GTK
[09:02] <mornfall> (and so does kdelibs etc...)
[09:02] <mornfall> fatejudger: oh, sure... so what?
[09:02] <mornfall> fatejudger: windows is great compared to dos
[09:02] <fatejudger> mornfall: so, do you have any better way of implementing a toolkit?
[09:02] <crimsun> fatejudger: so try starting by using apt-get source kwin
[09:02] <hussam> aftertaf : it won't install . it gives some guid error
[09:02] <aftertaf> ahh... :/
[09:02] <aftertaf> shame
[09:02] <mornfall> fatejudger: no, but it's being worked on... thing's don't happen like *zap* and it's perfect
[09:02] <mornfall> you could have learned that by now
[09:02] <fatejudger> crimsun: that doesn't really help me
[09:02] <_xuniL> okey i have 2 broken packages and i cant gett rid om the
[09:03] <_xuniL> m
[09:03] <fatejudger> crimsun: I could get the source from subversion
[09:03] <fatejudger> crimsun: but I still wouldn't know what to do with it
[09:03] <fatejudger> crimsun: I have no idea how people debug without knowing what every function does
[09:03] <crimsun> fatejudger: think about the problems you're seeing
[09:03] <fatejudger> crimsun: and how all of the classes work
[09:03] <crimsun> fatejudger: well, you should work with the KDE developers
[09:04] <fatejudger> crimsun: I wish I could
[09:04] <mornfall> fatejudger: with half-decent code you can infer half of that and you read only the relevant parts
[09:04] <crimsun> you're not expected to know everything right off the bat
[09:04] <mornfall> (i'd classify kde code as half-decent...)
[09:04] <fatejudger> crimsun: well there really isn't anyone to get people started
[09:04] <fatejudger> KDE code is pretty good
[09:04] <crimsun> fatejudger: have you filed a bug on it?
[09:04] <fatejudger> a bug on what?
[09:05] <crimsun> fatejudger: this simple example, the resizing issue(s)
[09:05] <mornfall> whatever problems you have... i bet there's already lots of duplicate reports about kdesu
[09:05] <mornfall> crimsun: what are the resizing issues, btw?
[09:05] <fatejudger> most likely
[09:05] <fatejudger> the resizing issues apply to system settings
[09:05] <crimsun> mornfall: I have no idea, I'm just using an example fatejudger mentioned
[09:05] <mornfall> ah heh
[09:05] <fatejudger> where it just goes out of the resolution
[09:05] <mornfall> okey
[09:05] <nalioth> why do i constantly feel my konqueror in file mangling mode should be called "krasherer"?
[09:05] <mornfall> guidance is silly, IMO
[09:06] <fatejudger> especially for people like me with tiny monitors
[09:07] <fatejudger> the only reason I haven't switched to Gnome already is because I'm pro-QT and pro-C++
[09:07] <mornfall> heh
[09:07] <mornfall> gnome
[09:07] <fatejudger> Gnome definately is faster
[09:07] <fatejudger> and tons of useful apps are being developed on it
[09:07] <mornfall> yeah, it also very quickly prints -- junk
[09:07] <mornfall> fatejudger: like?
[09:07] <mornfall> name one :)
[09:07] <fatejudger> like wireless utilities
[09:07] <fatejudger> and firefox is integrated in Gnome
[09:08] <mornfall> fatejudger: that's utility not app, though
[09:08] <crimsun> well, aside from what you like and dislike, fatejudger, I'd rather just drill down to the issues you have with Kubuntu 5.10
[09:08] <mornfall> and firefox is about as gnome as gimp is kde
[09:08] <fatejudger> crimsun: I would prefer to help fix things in some productive way rather than complaining
[09:08] <fatejudger> crimsun: but I can't really see any other option given that I don't know how to fix things
[09:08] <mornfall> fatejudger: but you don't :)
[09:08] <crimsun> fatejudger: ...which is what I've been attempting to do with you.
[09:09] <crimsun> unfortunately, you choose to drone incessantly about unrelated drivel
[09:09] <nalioth> any ideas on when konqueror will not require crash helmets to use?
[09:09] <fatejudger> nalioth: KDE 4?
[09:09] <mornfall> fatejudger: right, you would have to invest something to learn and that's, uh, oh, ... you rather rant, that's easier... c'mon, talk is cheap
[09:09] <fatejudger> I'd rather learn
[09:09] <mornfall> so why you don't?
[09:10] <fatejudger> because, I've already tried
[09:10] <fatejudger> it takes me too long, then I get a headache and have to go to sleep
[09:10] <fatejudger> people just give me links
[09:10] <crimsun> fatejudger: two hints: download the breezy kwin source, and file a bug on kwin for breezy
[09:10] <fatejudger> and commands to apt get source
 crimsun: I would prefer to help fix things in some productive way rather than complaining    <fatejudger> I have no bug numbers, I don't have time to report every problem I have with Linux
[09:10] <fatejudger> what does kwin do?
[09:11] <fatejudger> frank23: lol
[09:11] <frank23> fatejudger: you're not very consistent
[09:11] <fatejudger> frank23: well that's just misleading
[09:11] <crimsun> fatejudger: it's the window manager
[09:11] <fatejudger> crimsun: what does the window manager have to do with the kdesu problem?
[09:11] <crimsun> fatejudger: have you determined if all KDE apps have a resizing issue?
[09:11] <fatejudger> crimsun: or are you refering to the system settings problem?
[09:11] <fatejudger> crimsun: only system settings
[09:11] <fatejudger> crimsun: I can't click on certain buttons, or resize the window
[09:11] <fatejudger> crimsun: it locks itself
[09:12] <crimsun> fatejudger: so the bug is probably in kcontrol (the control center, right)?
[09:12] <fatejudger> crimsun: I'm forced to use kcontrol, which between you and me really sucks
[09:12] <mornfall> fatejudger: what about alt-drag? a decent workaround, i'd say
[09:12] <mornfall> oh my!
[09:12] <mornfall> poor soul
[09:12] <fatejudger> alt drag?
[09:12] <mornfall> he has to use kcontrol
[09:12] <mornfall> let's all mourn for a minute or two
[09:12] <mornfall> for poor fatejudger who would have to use kcontrol
[09:12] <fatejudger> yes well, system settings was a step in the right direction
[09:13] <frank23> crimsun: no kcontrol can scroll through modules while systemsettings can't I think
[09:13] <Hole> how to use dial up connection
[09:13] <Hole> setting
[09:13] <crimsun> frank23: ah, ok. I haven't used Kubuntu 5.10, so I'm in the dark here.
[09:13] <mornfall> fatejudger: good that you complain that systemsettings shouldn't have been released...
[09:13] <fatejudger> mornfall: well it shouldn't have
[09:13] <fatejudger> mornfall: it should have been released later
[09:13] <mornfall> fatejudger: so stop using goddamnitalready
[09:13] <mornfall> +it
[09:13] <mornfall> fatejudger: you can safely ignore it's existence
[09:13] <mornfall> and voila, it's not released for you
[09:13] <mornfall> happy now?
[09:14] <fatejudger> mornfall: because I'd rather fix it or complain and have other people fix it
[09:14] <mornfall> fatejudger: people will fix it regardless of your incoherent rants
[09:14] <fatejudger> they're hardly incoherent
[09:14] <mornfall> so just spare us
[09:14] <fatejudger> I have problems, they're quite real and legitimate
[09:14] <nalioth> crimsun: any ideas on a konqueror recompile toward lessening the crashes?
[09:15] <fatejudger> and they happen on Breezy
[09:15] <mornfall> fatejudger: so what?
[09:15] <mornfall> fatejudger: everyone and their uncle have their problems
[09:15] <fatejudger> why do I never hear shit like this from the Gnome group?
[09:15] <fatejudger> I think they have their shit together
[09:16] <mornfall> fatejudger: make a service to community, go use gnome instead, pretty please
[09:16] <fatejudger> Gnome sucks
[09:16] <fatejudger> I'm not going to use Gnome
[09:16] <gibarian> uh, anyone know how to set up a TCP/IP network with a windows XP computer?
[09:16] <fatejudger> gibarian: yes
[09:16] <mornfall> gibarian: i know i know! intsall an operating system on the box :-)
[09:16] <mornfall> install*
[09:17] <gibarian> fate: right....got a bit of time, so I can explain my set up?
[09:17] <fatejudger> gibarian: sure, go ahead
[09:17] <mornfall> could you maybe move elsewhere with windows xp setup issues? =)
[09:17] <fatejudger> mornfall: would having me solve problems in your presence instead of complain invalidate your argument?
[09:17] <frank23> The biggest problem that I know of in kubuntu breezy is the going to administration in kcontrol that often doesn't work. on the ubuntu bugzilla they link to the upstream bug on the kde bugzilla. Is there any way to put pressure somewhere to get this fixed? It makes kubuntu almost unusable (with the default install and without using workarounds)
[09:18] <Hole> why my kubuntu doesn't shutdown completely
[09:18] <crimsun> nalioth: I'd have to be able to reproduce the crashers
[09:18] <gibarian> fatejudger: alright...Ive got a DSL line connected to a speedtouch 510, which acts as a router...connected to that is a hub, into which i've plugged my kubuntu box and the XP machine...
[09:18] <mornfall> fatejudger: no, because you are helping completely off topic
[09:18] <Hole> what's wrong with that
[09:18] <crimsun> nalioth: (don't have Kubuntu 5.10 currently, so I'm queued for download)
[09:18] <fatejudger> gibarian: ok
[09:18] <gibarian> fatejudger: both kubuntu and XP are connected to the Internet, but somehow I can't seem to get a connection between both
[09:18] <fatejudger> gibarian: you should be able to run the network setup wizard, or you could do it manually
[09:19] <nalioth> crimsun: this is hoary that it keeps crashing on with kde 3.41
[09:19] <fatejudger> gibarian: you mean Samba?
[09:19] <crimsun> nalioth: hmm, not using the kubuntu.org hoary-updates repo for hoary?
[09:19] <gibarian> fatejudger: well, when I ping the internal IP of the XP machine, I don't get a reply
[09:19] <nalioth> crimsun: where are they?
[09:20] <gibarian> fatejudger: and I guess for Samba to work, I need to at least be able to ping, right?
[09:20] <fatejudger> gibarian: well that's strange
[09:20] <fatejudger> gibarian: yes, you do
[09:20] <fatejudger> gibarian: and there shouldn't be any problem
[09:20] <fatejudger> gibarian: you said both of your computers can connect to the internet right?
[09:20] <fatejudger> gibarian: do they both have valid IPs in the same subnet?
[09:21] <cyne> anyone know which package the htpasswd utility is in?
[09:21] <Hole> like 192.168.0.x and 192.168.7.xx
[09:21] <Hole> like 192.168.0.x and 192.168.0.xx
[09:21] <gibarian> fatejudger: yes, both have valid IPs, both are connected...and I just checked and noticed that I CAN ping my kubuntu box via the XP machine, but not the other way round
[09:21] <fatejudger> ok
[09:22] <mornfall> firewall anyone?
[09:22] <crimsun> nalioth: http://kubuntu.org/packages/hoary-kde343/
[09:22] <fatejudger> gibarian: mornfall is right
[09:22] <fatejudger> gibarian: check for a Windows firewall
[09:22] <gibarian> fatejudger: ah, ok...that seems sensible, haha..sure, god, I'm a fool
[09:22] <fatejudger> gibarian: they love to stick them on there by default
[09:22] <fatejudger> gibarian: especially in SP2
[09:22] <mornfall> gibarian: *but*
[09:23] <nalioth> crimsun: ah, yes i've got that, do they have ppc binaries yet?
[09:23] <mornfall> gibarian: make sure your router is doing a good job at protecting your winxp from outside first
[09:23] <mornfall> gibarian: (i'm not sure nat is enough, it could...)
[09:23] <crimsun> nalioth: doesn't look like it. Do you have ~5 GB free on your HD?
[09:24] <nalioth> crimsun: well i guess i could build it from scratch
[09:24] <nalioth> crimsun: 5gb for what?
[09:24] <mornfall> anyway, maybe i should do some work instead :)
[09:24] <gibarian> fatejudger: yeah, well, XP keeps telling me that I shouldn't set up the network like that...but apparently, that's the only way
[09:24] <crimsun> nalioth: to build them using pbuilder (you'll need the .diff.gzs, .orig.tar.gzs, and .dscs
[09:24] <crimsun> )
[09:25] <fatejudger> gibarian: that's because XP is stupid
[09:25] <fatejudger> gibarian: which is why you're probably using Linux in the first place
[09:25] <fatejudger> gibarian: most people using XP are stupid and let viruses and malware into their computers
[09:26] <fatejudger> gibarian: so they warn people like crazy on SP2 now
[09:26] <fatejudger> crimsun: do you have a little time?
[09:26] <aftertaf> warning, turning on your computer can make it vulnerable to attack.
[09:26] <dave> help irq14 nobody cared error with 2.6.12-9-386 kernal
[09:26] <fatejudger> aftertaf: lol
[09:27] <crimsun> fatejudger: I was heading to bed, but sure. What's up?
[09:27] <gibarian> fatejudger: if it was me, I wouldn't even touch XP....it's my gf's machine, and we want to share the printer
[09:27] <fatejudger> crimsun: I was hoping you and I could find some small bug on KDE and I could learn how to download the source, debug and fix it, then upload the fix
[09:27] <fatejudger> crimsun: if it wouldn't be too much trouble
[09:28] <fatejudger> gibarian: that shouldn't be too hard
[09:28] <fatejudger> gibarian: I have a similar setup
[09:28] <fatejudger> gibarian: with Kubuntu and XP
[09:29] <gibarian> fatejudger: alright, I can ping now...now I'll just have to use Samba, right?
[09:29] <dave> anyone able to help with this error i get on boot up ?
[09:29] <dave> CLUG <linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz>
[09:29] <dave> CLUG <linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz>
[09:30] <fatejudger> gibarian: yeah, apt-get install samba
[09:30] <fatejudger> and you should be up and running
[09:30] <crimsun> fatejudger: ok, what bug did you have in mind? Keep in mind not every bug can be researched and resolved in an hour...
[09:30] <dave> oppps should be irq14 nobody cared
[09:30] <manveru> dave: what is your problem?
[09:30] <fatejudger> gibarian: which computer is the printer on?
[09:30] <fatejudger> crimsun: of course not
[09:30] <gibarian> fatejudger: it's actually already installed...I'm trying to set it up right now...printer's connected to the Kubuntu box
[09:30] <manveru> dave: is that a message from a log-file?
[09:31] <fatejudger> crimsun: which area of KDE do you think would be best to go bug searching in?
[09:31] <fatejudger> crimsun: I doubt we could diagnose the window resizing issue in under an hour
[09:31] <manveru> fatejudger: kopete :)
[09:31] <dave> got an error using kernal 2.6.12-9-386 (breezy) udated from hoary) using older kernal at the moment
[09:31] <fatejudger> manveru: eh, I don't care for Kopete
[09:31] <fatejudger> manveru: the Gaim developers are great
[09:32] <manveru> fatejudger: i wanted to try gaim anyway... but i hate the design - are there good skins?
[09:32] <fatejudger> manveru: if you can forgive it's uglyness, it's a damn good IM client
[09:32] <dave> error ---- irq14 nobody cared think it's refering to the pci 
[09:32] <mornfall> every gui im client i have seen was crap, gaim leading
[09:32] <fatejudger> manveru: it uses GTK
[09:32] <fatejudger> manveru: just use the QT-GTK engine
[09:32] <manveru> fatejudger: i'll try that, because kopete is unstable like an iceberg on a vulcan
[09:33] <manveru> dave: well, how did you install the kernel?
[09:33] <fatejudger> manveru: yeah, although it's a nice try at a QT IM client
[09:33] <manveru> dave: and what's your system
[09:33] <fatejudger> manveru: the latest version of gaim is on apt btw
[09:33] <manveru> fatejudger: k, fetching it
[09:33] <dave> via adept ibm amd500
[09:34] <crimsun> fatejudger: give me a couple minutes, need to wash dishes
[09:34] <manveru> dave: and you tried to install the k7-kernel?
[09:34] <manveru> fatejudger: well, the next big issue is of course the resizing-problem from the system-config-windows...
[09:34] <fatejudger> crimsun: ok, no problem
[09:34] <fatejudger> crimsun: I'll try and find a good bug in the meantime
[09:35] <dave> manveru errr no just used the cdrom i'd burned to update hoary first then used adept to pull updates down
[09:35] <manveru> dave: you used apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[09:35] <dave> manveru I didn't know there was a k7 kernel out there.
[09:36] <dave> manveru no i used the gui interface (ADEPT) to do the updating
[09:37] <dave> from the reading i did before hand i thought it'd be as good
[09:38] <manveru> dave: well, i would recommend a clean install - but i think there might be something wrong then
[09:38] <mornfall> dave: full upgrade == dist-upgrade
[09:38] <mornfall> manveru: clean install, that's a windows thing
[09:38] <manveru> dave: what cards are on your motherboard?
[09:39] <dave> mornfall only a isa modem card using to link to the net with
[09:40] <dave> mornfall thought that as i'd also used the ADEPT wizard to do the updating with
[09:40] <manveru> well
[09:40] <dave> manveru sorry only a isa card video etc is onboard the motherboard
[09:41] <manveru> dave: i am not experienced enough to help you over great lenths on that
[09:41] <manveru> dave: isn't there a good kernel-channel?
[09:42] <manveru> like #kernel-oops
[09:42] <manveru> or #ubuntu-kernel
[09:42] <dave> manveru me neither but hoped someone here could help, 
[09:43] <dave> manveru not really a irc user (supose i should do it more often tho
[09:43] <manveru> visit these two channels - i am sure the people there can help you
[09:43] <crimsun> fatejudger: ok, shoot
[09:44] <manveru> dave: just click on the channels
[09:44] <fatejudger> crimsun: I've been looking for bugs
[09:44] <fatejudger> crimsun: I haven't really found one
[09:44] <fatejudger> crimsun: to tell you the truth, I don't know which ones to look for
[09:44] <fatejudger> crimsun: since I don't know which ones I can solve
[09:45] <crimsun> fatejudger: well, which one is most annoying to you?
[09:46] <fatejudger> crimsun: you mean one of my problems?
[09:46] <crimsun> fatejudger: sure
[09:46] <fatejudger> crimsun: well that would have to be the "system settings" window resizing problem
[09:47] <fatejudger> crimsun: with the "kdesu not working in system settings" problem coming in at a close second
[09:47] <crimsun> fatejudger: ok, I'm not familiar with either, so can you point me to bug reports?
[09:48] <fatejudger> crimsun: would system settings be a KDE or Kubuntu bug?
[09:50] <dave> mornfall can you help me at all ?
[09:50] <crimsun> fatejudger: is "system settings" specific to Kubuntu, or does KDE proper use it as well?
[09:51] <fatejudger> crimsun: that's what I asked you
[09:51] <crimsun> I guess it's Kubuntu-specific
[09:51] <fatejudger> crimsun: yeah
[09:51] <crimsun> "The traditional KDE Control Center has been replaced with KDE System Settings. This change is not part of KDE, but is unique to Kubuntu."
[09:51] <fatejudger> crimsun: it's a smart decision
[09:52] <fatejudger> crimsun: more like Windows, and more functional
[09:52] <fatejudger> crimsun: the window resizing problem kills it though
[09:52] <fatejudger> crimsun: should I get the kwin source?
[09:52] <crimsun> fatejudger: no, it seems "system settings"-specific from your description
[09:53] <fatejudger> crimsun: oh that's right, it's a Kubuntu thing
[09:53] <crimsun> you'll need to apt-get source kde-systemsettings
[09:53] <fatejudger> crimsun: does the mean we can't debug it?
[09:53] <fatejudger> crimsun: do you have Breezy?
[09:54] <crimsun> fatejudger: yes, I'm using Ubuntu 5.10
[09:54] <fatejudger> crimsun: ok, I got the source
[09:55] <crimsun> fatejudger: the next step is to reproduce the crash so that you can get a backtrace from within gdb
[09:55] <fatejudger> crimsun: but it isn't a crash
[09:55] <fatejudger> crimsun: it just won't let me resize
[09:56] <fatejudger> crimsun: watch, go into system settings -> network settings
[09:56] <fatejudger> crimsun: you'll see what I'm talking about
[09:56] <crimsun> fatejudger: (I use GNOME)
[09:57] <fatejudger> crimsun: oh geez
[09:57] <fatejudger> crimsun: I guess this isn't going to work then
[09:57] <crimsun> fatejudger: please read kde-systemsettings-0.0svn20050613/systemsettings/HACKING for an overview
[09:58] <dave> crimsun know anything about nobody cared errors when booting with kernel 2.6.12-9-386?
[09:59] <crimsun> dave: that's more directly related to your hardware, not the kernel
[09:59] <manveru> dave: got no help in the oops-channel?
[10:00] <crimsun> dave: what precisely is the error spew?
[10:00] <dave> Manveru no didn't appear to be busy - then i'm on 56K
[10:01] <dave> crimsun [71.970458]  irq14 nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option) 
[10:03] <dave> crimsun [71.971584]  [<08894a07>]  (ide_intr x0x0/0xed [idle_core] )
[10:03] <fatejudger> crimsun: ok, I read the file
[10:03] <fatejudger> crimsun: do all programs have this file?
[10:03] <dave> crimsun  and basically lots of similar output going into a loop of trys re-trys
[10:05] <fatejudger> crimsun: well it's late here so I think I'll go to bed
[10:06] <fatejudger> crimsun: maybe you'll be on tomorrow and I can finish this then
[10:07] <dave> crimsun do you think it'd be better to apt-get dist-upgrade again than use ADEPT wizard ?
[10:08] <crimsun> fatejudger: sure, just ping me.
[10:08] <fatejudger> crimsun: ping you?
[10:08] <crimsun> dave: does your hardware seem to operate in a crippled mode?
[10:09] <crimsun> fatejudger: yes, as in "crimsun: ping"
[10:09] <fatejudger> ah
[10:09] <fatejudger> I see
[10:09] <fatejudger> crimsun: ping
[10:09] <crimsun> I can't guarantee that I'll answer immediately, check my away message
[10:09] <fatejudger> ok
[10:09] <dave> with the older kernel (from hoary no it doesn't)
[10:09] <fatejudger> crimsun: I just realized something
[10:09] <fatejudger> crimsun: QT handles all of this resizing
[10:10] <nalioth> crimsun: whining awaits you offtopic
[10:10] <crimsun> nalioth: yes, it takes me a while to cycle through all these irssi buffers
[10:10] <fatejudger> crimsun: is it possible that embedding these utilities in this system settings window confuses QT?
[10:10] <fatejudger> crimsun: it looks like system-settings auto sizes the windows
[10:11] <crimsun> dave: does that mean with breezy's 2.6.12-9 that it does?
[10:11] <crimsun> dave: as in the machine functions in a sluggish/suboptimal manner?
[10:11] <crimsun> fatejudger: then you'll want to check the autosizing logic
[10:12] <crimsun> though I don't know why it would touch that.
[10:12] <fatejudger> crimsun: touch what?
[10:12] <crimsun> fatejudger: the actual window
[10:13] <dave> crimsun i cannot boot using breezy's kernel at all currently using 2.6.10-5 from 5.04 (hoary)
[10:14] <dave> crimsun what i have is the new kde etc just not the breezy kernel 2.6.9-12-386
[10:14] <fatejudger> crimsun: this is confusing me
[10:14] <crimsun> dave: ok, so have you tried booting with irqpoll appended to the kernel command line?
[10:14] <fatejudger> crimsun: apparently it doesn't auto size
[10:14] <dave> i sort of think it's to do with the APCI (auto shutdown mode or is it APC)
[10:15] <fatejudger> crimsun: that's was some object that did that
[10:15] <fatejudger> crimsun: *that
[10:15] <fatejudger> crimsun: apparently it just uses the defaults
[10:15] <fatejudger> crimsun: maybe it inherits the sizes from the other widgets
[10:15] <fatejudger> crimsun: ugh, this is getting too confusing for me to deal with at this time of night
[10:15] <fatejudger> crimsun: I'll ping you tomorrow
[10:15] <dave> crimsun No as i'm a complete FNG with kernels and what switches can be used
[10:16] <crimsun> dave: ok, do you remember the GRUB boot menu?
[10:17] <dave> crimsun yup played with it to get windows working on anotherr HD or a while
[10:18] <dave> crimsun do i tag the irqpoll to the end of it ?
[10:18] <crimsun> dave: yup, edit the kernel line using 'e', then boot
[10:21] <dave> crimsun here is the line i propose to alter kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-386 root=/dev/hda7 IRQPOLL ro quiet splash (text in caps would be inserted
[10:22] <crimsun> dave: lowercase
[10:22] <dave> crimsun ya it will be but to highlight it to you :)
[10:24] <crimsun> ok.
[10:26] <dave> with ADEPT is there any way of saving what you've downloaded and then close it down (like with apt-get --download?)
[10:27] <crimsun> it'd be bizarre if it weren't downloaded to /var/cache/apt/archives/
[10:34] <egonw> Does anyone have k3b working on breezy/amd64? It does not work for me :(
[10:42] <dave> katzj
[10:55] <andrzej> somebody can upload me on email your file /etc/asound.conf e-mail: arialis111@interia.pl
[10:59] <paines> hi
[10:59] <aftertaf> :)
[11:13] <gibarian> anyone familiar with that error message? "sudo: unable to lookup  via gethostbyname()"
[11:14] <nalioth> gibarian: yes. your hosts file is not correct
[11:14] <nalioth> gibarian: put that error line into the forums and see if there's a fix
[11:15] <gibarian> ahh...ok...I set up an ethernet card yesterday, and since then I've been getting this message and kdesu is broken
[11:17] <spiral> hi
[11:17] <gibarian> another question...anyone know how to get skype installed? I get a dependency error message, telling me I need to install libt3c102-mt....which I can't install
[11:17] <nalioth> gibarian: i'd come back later and ask in here or ask in #ubuntu.
[11:18] <gibarian> nalioth: alright, thanks
[11:18] <nalioth> gibarian: can you open a terminal and type "sudo gedit /etc/hosts" ?
[11:19] <paines> gibarian, take the skype static version
[11:19] <mp3guy> gibarian, download the rpm version, alien it, then install it
[11:45] <stratovarius> hey all
[11:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[11:58] <yasser> !sources
[11:58] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[12:03] <Praha2> hello everybody
[12:05] <mp3guy> hey
[12:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi mate
[12:08] <mp3guy> so, why use kubuntu instead of ubuntu
[12:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you like KDE
[12:10] <mp3guy> i find it faster than gnome
[12:12] <yasser> i find gnome faster! but i like kde more than anything else
[12:38] <Flixor> hi everybody i am looking for a good virus program for linux
[12:39] <Flixor> for using with kmail
[12:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> clamav probably
[12:39] <Flixor> is that a good one 
[12:39] <nalioth> clamav
[12:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes. hence the recomendation :P
[12:40] <nalioth> there is a kmail plugin, iirc for clamav
[12:40] <Flixor> but is the plugin not standard installed with kmail
[12:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi apokryphos
[12:42] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: hey, how you doin'?
[12:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> not bad :) self?
[12:42] <apokryphos> yeah, good; things going well generally
[12:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> just orgaising a passport so i can go to linuxconf au
[12:43] <weasl77> more help please with Epson Stylus 740 printer ..
[12:43] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: been to one before?
[12:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> i cant weasl77 sorry, if it didnt 'just work' i have no idea ;(
[12:44] <weasl77> have downloaded the cupsys- -gimpprint from debian and extracted the .gz: have 2 more  .gz, so what now?
[12:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> apokryphos: no i havent, so I'm realy looking forward to it
[12:44] <weasl77> thanks though k_k
[12:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> pity i missed last year - was in Adelaide
[12:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> weasl77: is ubuntu missing the driver you need?
[12:44] <apokryphos> what are they like? Only really heard about them a little
[12:45] <weasl77> tried the gimpprint driver included, but still no go. It does sometimes printhe test page ok ...
[12:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> apokryphos: i don't realy know
[12:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> never gone to one ;)
[12:50] <apokryphos> but worth it, I take it
[01:08] <apokryphos> wow; how many people knew about kpager's launch mode? Never seen it before
[01:08] <apokryphos> (i.e. just alt+f2 -> kpager)
[01:08] <apokryphos> reminded me of enlightenment
[01:09] <Prague2> hi guys, anyone who can point me to solve a problem with my laptop? i have an acer with breezy on and it seems i cannot watch the status of my battery on klaptop though i think the acpi is working :/
[01:16] <weasl77> what is the difference between  a canon, epson and normal parallel port?
[01:16] <weasl77> (for the epson 740: tried the usb, and it is printing only in raw)
[01:30] <cb_gr> how much space does HD Kubuntu need
[01:30] <_gab> 2 gb
[01:35] <_adam> does anyone know what make error 2 means?
[01:37] <manveru> _adam: there must be additional information
[01:37] <|mp|> anyone have serious problems, crash, freeze etc., with latest OOo in (K)Ubuntu?
[01:37] <_adam> the command i gave was make && sudo make install
[01:38] <manveru> _adam: could you paste the stuff from the console to http://rafb.net/paste ?
[01:39] <cb_gr> morning folks
[01:40] <_adam> here it is:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/uMfusS93.html
[01:41] <manveru> hmm
[01:42] <manveru> have you install build-essentials?
[01:42] <manveru> +ed
[01:42] <_adam> don't know what htey are so prob not
[01:42] <_adam> can i do it with adept?
[01:42] <manveru> yeah
[01:43] <manveru> just search for build-essentials
[01:43] <_adam> working on it...
[01:47] <_adam> same error, now just repeated twice (for emphasis?!)
[01:47] <manveru> ^^
[01:48] <manveru> _adam: not sure...
[01:49] <_adam> what about that +ed?
[01:49] <_adam> wat is that?
[01:49] <manveru> oh
[01:50] <manveru> correction :)
[01:50] <manveru> "have you install[+ed]  build essentials?"
[01:50] <cb_gr> is it safe, i.e wont lose info, to resze an existing partition during the kubuntu install?
[01:50] <manveru> cb_gr: partitioning is never safe...
[01:51] <manveru> cb_gr: but that depends on what partition it is
[01:51] <_adam> ha ha
[01:51] <manveru> cb_gr: have a look at qtparted
[01:51] <cb_gr> manveru, i currently have a very large /home partition. i am thinking about shrinking it by about 10 gig to install kubuntu
[01:54] <Chameleon22> hi all, can anyone recommend a nice monitoring application... likes of nagios but something different (big brother is not an option)
[01:55] <manveru> cb_gr: i wouldn't trust the ubuntu-installer too much when it comes to partitions
[02:03] <cb_gr> thanks manveru, 
[02:29] <koko> lut all
[02:30] <koko> Est-ce que quelqu'un peu m expliquer pourquoi mon fichier resolv.conf ce met a jour tt seul
[02:30] <koko> et bien sur je veu pas qu'il le fasse bien sur
[02:30] <aftertaf> sais pas mais bind me gonfle grave en ce moment......
[02:30] <aftertaf> y a quoi qui change?
[02:31] <koko> en fait, j'ai mes dns que je rentre dedans
[02:31] <koko> DNS wanadoo
[02:31] <aftertaf> ok...
[02:31] <aftertaf> et tu les perds?
[02:31] <koko> et lui il me remet automatikement la passerelle
[02:31] <koko> du router
[02:31] <aftertaf> ip par dhcp ou static?
[02:31] <koko> c chiant, parcek je suis oblier de les reconfig a tt bout de champs
[02:32] <koko> ip par dhcp
[02:32] <aftertaf> dhcp pouss par ton router?
[02:32] <koko> comment ca?
[02:32] <aftertaf> ou par wanadoo dhcp.....?
[02:33] <koko> non c mon router, pas wanadoo
[02:33] <koko> je precise que mon router est pas top
[02:33] <aftertaf> loool
[02:33] <aftertaf> y a pas un changement de config du router pour qu'il te donne une autre passerelle?
[02:34] <koko> non, je peu pas donner les DNS dans le route
[02:34] <koko> r*
[02:34] <koko> c bien la le pb, c'est vraiment une plait ce router
[02:34] <_david> How do compile php5 with session support using apt-get? is that possible?
[02:35] <aftertaf> ah.... koko fais un ti script qui rm ton resolv.conf et le recree a chq cnn ??
[02:35] <aftertaf> genre une grosse bidouille bien grasse ;)
[02:35] <koko> bah je sans qui ya plus que ca a faire
[02:36] <aftertaf> clair......
[02:36] <aftertaf> cibiche ;)
[02:36] <koko> je verai si d'autre on la soluce, sinon m'en retourne sur Gentoo
[02:37] <koko> sur ma gentoo, j'ai pas le pb, c'est bizard, une foi qu'il est config, ca me fait plus chier
[02:41] <nalioth_zZz> koko: are there no people in #ubuntu-fr ?
[02:41] <nalioth_zZz> i see. aftertaf to the rescue
[02:43] <koko> nalioth_zZz> ???? francais please
[02:43] <apokryphos> woooooo, mouse gestures f-i-nally with khotkeys
[02:43] <apokryphos> !fr
[02:43] <ubotu> Va a #ubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[02:43] <apokryphos> also #kubuntu-fr , koko
[02:43] <koko> excuse me, 
[03:03] <gruzchik> hello
[03:04] <gruzchik> i need some help :-(
[03:04] <gruzchik> i    can't  install divx codec
[03:07] <apokryphos> gruzchik: install w32codecs and xine/mplayer
[03:20] <cb_gr> i just installed Kubuntu and dont have sound in the gaim program, is this a known issue and is there a fix?
[03:23] <gruzchik> apokryphos: Thank you :-)
[03:30] <cb_gr> i just installed Kubuntu and dont have sound in the gaim program, is this a known issue and is there a fix?
[03:30] <StR> cb_gr: try using kopete instead of gaim?
[03:30] <Tm_T> Kopete <3
[03:31] <StR> cb_gr: kde uses a sound server called arts, and gnome uses gstreamer
[03:31] <cb_gr> so a fix would be to install gstreamer
[03:31] <StR> cb_gr: gaim is trying to reach gstreamer, but arts is using the sound device.... so you will not hear anything in gaim untill you shutdown arts
[03:32] <StR> cb_gr: I recommend you to try kopete
[03:32] <cb_gr> StR: i have, 
[03:33] <cb_gr> StR: ty, you helped me fix it
[03:33] <StR> cb_gr: you are wellcome
[03:34] <cb_gr> there is a setting for using arts in gaim, i didnt know kde used arts 
[03:35] <StR> cb_gr: ahh if gaim can use arts then it is ok
[03:54] <cyne> can someone tell me which package to install to get htpasswd ?
[03:55] <rikva> cyne: apache?
[03:57] <raphink> cyne: apache2-utils
[03:57] <cyne> rikva: oh? thankyou how did you find that out?
[03:57] <cyne> raphink
[03:58] <raphink> I used kio-apt :)
[03:58] <raphink> but I think it can be done with apt-get in console too
[03:58] <BlankC> apt-cache search htpasswd
[03:58] <cyne> nice
[03:58] <raphink> that might not do it BlankC 
[03:58] <BlankC> might not...but in this case it did it.
[03:58] <raphink> well that does
[03:58] <raphink> :)
[03:58] <raphink> yes BlankC 
[03:58] <raphink> :;)
[03:59] <raphink> but I think there's a specific argument for apt-cache
[03:59] <raphink> when you want to find a file installed by the package
[04:00] <raphink> hmm
[04:00] <raphink> in kio-apt it's fsearch
[04:03] <BlankC> apt-cache show apt-file
[04:04] <raphink> yes
[04:04] <raphink> just installed it and trying it
[04:04] <raphink> ;)
[04:04] <raphink> it's very slow and seems to be independant from apt-cache though
[04:05] <raphink> but hey it's powerful :)
[04:06] <raphink> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/415996
[04:06] <raphink> :)
[04:07] <BlankC> wonder if it does regex. apt-file search htpasswd$
[04:07] <raphink> no answer ;)
[04:08] <raphink> there's an option to use regex it seems
[04:08] <raphink> apt-file -x search htpasswd$
[04:08] <BlankC> keen.
[04:09] <raphink> didn't get anything either
[04:10] <StR> what is kio-apt?
[04:11] <raphink> kio-apt is a apt slave for kio
[04:11] <raphink> hehe
[04:11] <raphink> lets you browse packages in konqueror using apt:/
[04:11] <raphink> and install them from there, using kpkgmanager
[04:13] <raphink> StR: http://raphink.myftp.org/kio-apt2.jpg
[04:15] <laszlok> mine doesnt have an install button
[04:16] <laszlok> i can browse but i have to use something else to install
[04:17] <raphink> laszlok: the last version lets you install
[04:17] <raphink> but it doesn't work great so far
[04:18] <raphink> *latest
[04:23] <manveru> nice
[04:23] <manveru> one finds out things about KDE everyday...
[04:23] <kkathman> good day all
[04:23] <manveru> i guess this kio-apt would be easy to extend...
[04:23] <Kamping_Kaise1> hi kkathman
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaise1> you just got up? :O
[04:24] <kkathman> yah..been up about 20 minutes...coffee, scanning the news :)
[04:24] <raphink> manveru: indeed
[04:25] <kkathman> how are you today Kamping_Kaise1 :)
[04:25] <raphink> manveru: not long ago we were thinking about how good it would be to build a package manager on the model of finkcommander, too
[04:25] <Kamping_Kaise1> kkathman: not bad actualy. just thinking beds looking like a good idea :)
[04:25] <manveru> raphink: well, whatever finkcommander is... :)
[04:25] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaise1: well I just got out of one, and would have stayed longer if I could :)
[04:25] <manveru> raphink: is it easy to participate into the kio-apt-thing?
[04:26] <raphink> manveru: finkcommander is a program that lets you control fink, which allows you to install linux apps on mac os
[04:26] <raphink> http://finkcommander.sourceforge.net/about/images/inspector.jpg
[04:26] <Kamping_Kaise1> lol kkathman. if I'm here much longer I'll be in bed untill afternoon ;)
[04:26] <raphink> using darwin.deb
[04:26] <raphink> manveru: ask the kio-apt developer ;)
[04:26] <raphink> ;)
[04:26] <manveru> raphink: ah, k - i haven't got osx, so fink wasn't coming to my mind immediatly
[04:26] <raphink> manveru: the good thing we saw about finkcommander
[04:26] <BlankC> raphink: here is a quick example of why apt-file -x search htpasswd$ doesn't work. apt-file does some expansion on the regex. ( http://lists.debian.org/debian-women/2004/07/msg00129.html )
[04:27] <raphink> is that contrarily to other guis to manage .debs
[04:27] <raphink> finkcommander lets you install and build sources from the gui too
[04:27] <raphink> we miss that in all our guis 
[04:27] <manveru> i would love to see some frontend to checkinstall - since it would be easy to do
[04:28] <raphink> yes
[04:28] <manveru> but i guess it is too simple to bother with a gui...
[04:28] <raphink> hehe
[04:28] <raphink> well we have GUIs
[04:28] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaise1: go get some sleep, my friend!
[04:28] <raphink> like synaptic, kynaptic, kpackage, adept
[04:28] <raphink> but none of them deals with src.deb so far
[04:29] <Kamping_Kaise1> kkathman: i just put some music film clips on , so at leastr another 15 minutes up ;) probably wont be in bed before 2. 30 anymore
[04:29] <manveru> extending one of them? (preferabilly adept :)
[04:29] <raphink> sure
[04:30] <raphink> or kio-apt, which is very good too imo
[04:30] <manveru> the thing is, i haven't done anything in QT before, and i wanted to learn a bit...
[04:30] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaise1: So you are a soundtrack lover then?
[04:31] <manveru> i'll fetch the source for kio-apt then...
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaise1> kkathman: hm. not so much sound track, but i like to see some pictures to my songs :) so the clips that get played on tv etc are (usualy) cool
[04:31] <manveru> is it kind of standalone-app or is it tightly weaved into konqueror?
[04:31] <raphink> it's a kio plugin
[04:32] <raphink> so it's not really stand alone
[04:32] <strike4ce> !xine
[04:32] <ubotu> strike4ce: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[04:33] <raphink> manveru: http://lpnotfr.free.fr/kde-apt
[04:33] <manveru> ty
[04:38] <aaronjs> it seems my kubuntu box has lost its eth connection.   Is there a setup utility?
[04:39] <raphink> a setup for what aaronjs ?
[04:39] <aaronjs> raphink: to restart my ethernet connection...
[04:39] <raphink> hw ar you connected?
[04:39] <raphink> dhcp?
[04:39] <aaronjs> static.
[04:40] <raphink> then I don't see what you would restart
[04:40] <aaronjs> raphink: my  point is that it is not connecting.
[04:40] <raf256> where do I set up host name of my machine (defaults to localhost.localdomain)?
[04:41] <aaronjs> after a reboot, it does not connect any longer.
[04:41] <raphink> raf256: you cn set it in systemsettings
[04:41] <_seezer> aaronjs: and what do you want to do now? restart you network interface?
[04:41] <strike4ce> What is a good media player
[04:41] <aaronjs> I want to do the equivalent of /etc/init.d/net eth0 start
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaise1> strike4ce: mplayer
[04:42] <seezer> strike4ce: mplayer, kaffeine
[04:42] <aaronjs> I just don't know how to do that in kubuntu, seezer 
[04:42] <strike4ce> What about Xine?
[04:42] <seezer> aaronjs: /etc/init.d/networking restart
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaise1>  /etc/init.d/networking restart
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaise1> *sudo
[04:43] <seezer> strike4ce: i don't like xine itself - but hey, it's free! try it yourself
[04:43] <strike4ce> seezer: You like mplayer?
[04:43] <aaronjs> hm..  ifconfig still shows nothing but "lo"
[04:43] <raphink> strike4ce: kaffeine is a xine ui
[04:43] <seezer> strike4ce: there are only 2 'big players' - xine and mplayer. most of the rest are just frontends.
[04:44] <raphink> well it's more now, but initially that's what it was
[04:44] <Kamping_Kaise1> night all
[04:44] <Kamping_Kaise1> night kkathman
[04:44] <seezer> night Kamping_Kaise1 
[04:44] <strike4ce> raphink: kaffeine is good?
[04:44] <Kamping_Kaise1> :)
[04:44] <seezer> strike4ce: i like it
[04:44] <raphink> strike4ce: well it works, although I prefer xine-ui
[04:44] <raphink> I've had many issues with kaffeine, many crashes
[04:45] <raphink> but it's a nice app
[04:45] <seezer> no problems here - and nice functionality :)
[04:45] <strike4ce> raphink: Im trying to set up xine-ui having problems can you help me?
[04:45] <raphink> what pbs are you having?
[04:45] <seezer> aaronjs: did you take a look in the logfiles?
[04:46] <seezer> aaronjs: is your nic module loaded?
[04:46] <raf256> raphink: in where?
[04:46] <strike4ce> raphink: Well I download the UI and the lib file Im having problems with configuring it.  I do the command and it gives: bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[04:47] <LeeJunFan> aaronjs: ah, I remember those days. I felt like a hatchling. :)
[04:47] <strike4ce> I follow this but dont really understand it:  http://xinehq.de/index.php/faq#BUILDING
[04:48] <raphink> strike4ce: are you compiling xine-ui?
[04:48] <raphink> raf256: in the kde menu 
[04:48] <seezer> aaronjs: logs in /var/log/ and loaded modules by typing 'lsmod'
[04:48] <seezer> aaronjs: like everywhere else ;)
[04:48] <aaronjs> LeeJunFan: the problem is if it were 1 of three other distros, I'd be on my way. :)
[04:49] <kkathman> hey hussam!!
[04:49] <kkathman> howdy LeeJunFan btw :)
[04:50] <LeeJunFan> aaronjs: I started with redhat, years ago when I thought redhat was linux (as in many years ago), tried many other distros, landed with mandrake for a few years, tried more because I was never 'really' happy with it, installed kubuntu and within an hour was erasing my mandrake and never looked back.
[04:50] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: heya.
[04:50] <hussam> kkathman: hi kkathman :)
[04:50] <seezer> :)
[04:50] <kkathman> hey seezer :)  How goes today?
[04:51] <LeeJunFan> I always liked debian system, just not the pre-mezozoic packages.
[04:51] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: I have been through several distros as well, and found Ubuntu quite nice in its ease and its tolerance for A LOT of hardware :)
[04:51] <seezer> pretty good. had to work longer.. but own fault.. slept way too long.. :)
[04:51] <LeeJunFan> I always wanted a debian system but couldn't get myself to regress.
[04:51] <kkathman> seezer: ahhh...well I can understand that!! Im such a night owl, and I get to working and look at the clock and its 3am!!
[04:52] <sephora> Can anyone please tell me how to remowe username and password in kopete. I'm going to give my computer to someone else.
[04:52] <seezer> kkathman: :) same here.. can't move my ass to bed at evenings/nights..
[04:52] <kkathman> aaronjs: you think its bad?  Try loading Fedora Core and you will get a definition of bloat!
[04:52] <seezer> always find something interesting
[04:53] <kkathman> seezer: yah...Ive been working with some compiles lately and cant get anything to make :(
[04:53] <LeeJunFan> sephora: make a new user for them, and erase your users home dir.
[04:53] <seezer> sephora: did you save it in kdewallet?
[04:53] <aaronjs> I've never seen this many modules.  lol
[04:53] <strike4ce> raphink: I downloaded the UI and LIb.  What next?
[04:53] <hussam> sephora: rm -r ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete/
[04:53] <aaronjs> But, what is important, is I do not see one for my eth. card.
[04:53] <seezer> kkathman: well, thats a reason to be way to tired next day :)
[04:53] <raphink> strike what do you mean you downloaded the ui and lib?
[04:53] <aaronjs> So, what is the kubuntu configure utility?
[04:53] <raphink> you installed them?
[04:53] <seezer> s/to/too/
[04:53] <Delvien> Anyone know anything about the new ATI drivers that support Clocl gating ? http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Hardware/ATI-Radeon-Linux-Display-Drivers-6719.shtml
[04:54] <LeeJunFan> aaronjs: I prefer kcontrol for configuring kde.
[04:54] <raphink> aaronjs: systemsettings, in the KDE menu
[04:54] <raphink> LeeJunFan: same, I prefer kcontrol too
[04:54] <raphink> but systemsettings is default
[04:54] <teprrr> so hmm, I assume there are people running breezy nowadays.. have you managed to get q2 running on breezy?
[04:54] <strike4ce> Delvien: Are you trying to setup your ATI graphics driver?
[04:54] <raphink> strike4ce: did you apt-get install xine-ui ?
[04:54] <kkathman> seezer: yah I keep getting errors at the end of every compile...something about recursion.. not one finishes :(
[04:55] <Delvien> strike4ce not right now i have 3d working and fglrx is good , but the current drivers dont support Clock gating, which  saves power, ( on a notebook )
[04:55] <cyne> oh man, my dad just offloaded about 10 years worth of DOS strategy games on me
[04:55] <sephora> seezer: I dont know where I have it. I thought there my bee a way to remowe acounts? But there isnt? Does the KDE system make a scount automaticly?
[04:56] <seezer> sephora: remove your user as root - and better get a new one first on kubuntu :)
[04:56] <seezer> sephora: then rm -rf /home/sephora
[04:56] <LeeJunFan> sephora: or just remove the whole $HOME/.kde dir
[04:56] <teprrr> LeeJunFan, quake2
[04:56] <LeeJunFan> duh :)
[04:56] <seezer> ha. LeeJunFan, my bucks please
[04:56] <kkathman> lol
[04:56] <sephora> seezer: That means that I have remowe the user root... sad thing to do...
[04:57] <teprrr> it actually starts up, but glx driver doesn't work..
[04:57] <strike4ce> Delvien: I have a good Howto.  If you follow it you will succesfully setup your ATI card.  Here:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=78466
[04:57] <teprrr> libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so
[04:57] <teprrr> libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_Dispatch)
[04:57] <aaronjs> hm...   when Network settings in system settings, I have to enter administrator mode.  Which, I am assuming is sudo -- which I put the password in for, and it still does not allow admin. mode.  lol.   
[04:57] <seezer> sephora: can't follow you, sorry
[04:57] <strike4ce> Delvien: Thats the official ATI driver and it works great on my laptop
[04:58] <seezer> aaronjs: try harder not to misspell your password :P
[04:58] <strike4ce> Delvien: What ATI card do you have?
[04:58] <teprrr> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66179&highlight=_glapi_dispatch -- I've even reported it :P
[04:58] <LeeJunFan> sephora: adduser -G admin -m newuser ; echo "newuser:password" | chpasswd ; userdel -r sephora
[04:58] <LeeJunFan> crap - not adduser useradd
[04:59] <sephora> seezer: I'm logged on as user sephora now. She is the only user on this pc. Do I have to make a user nr two, then del sephora and use the other user to log inn and make a new sephorauser?
[04:59] <LeeJunFan> okay, I'm lost.
[04:59] <LeeJunFan> :)
[04:59] <seezer> sephora: let's start from the beginning. you give away your pc to whom? you sell it?
[05:00] <kkathman> does anyone here use superkaramba for doing system monitoring?
[05:00] <aaronjs> I have _no_ idea why the gui configuration is not working.
[05:01] <seezer> kkathman: my wallpapers don't see any light.. just too many windows open all the time.. i tried it but those nice looking thingies just hang around and i can't see them. so i dropped it :)
[05:01] <kkathman> aaronjs: me either...I've installed ubuntu on about 30 machines and its never failed to work
[05:01] <kkathman> seezer: Im trying to get the widget (in this case cynapses) to see my temperature sensor...for some reason it doesnt
[05:01] <Delvien> strike4ce sorry was on the phone with my lawyer .
[05:02] <seezer> kkathman: does it use lmsensors in the back?
[05:02] <LeeJunFan> Delvien: you better go take a shower now.
[05:02] <Delvien> strike4ce i have a TI  mobility x300 128mb PCI-E
[05:02] <seezer> LeeJunFan: :P
[05:02] <kkathman> seezer: Im not a python expert...best I can tell it points to this SH file of some sort
[05:02] <Delvien> LeeJunFan nah hes alright, 
[05:02] <Delvien> LeeJunFan its insurance companies i dont like dealing with
[05:02] <LeeJunFan> Delvien: alright lawyer == oxymoron
[05:03] <sephora> seezer: I'm a teacher at haldenfriskole.no in Norway and I have put together a computer for one of my pupils. Her name is Sephora. Therefore I have made sephora to be the user of this computer. Wile testing this kopete program I used my own Messanger username and password, and now the program remembers it and loggs on as me whet sephora try to use it.
[05:03] <Delvien> LeeJunFan hes a friend of the family , so hes an ok guy
[05:03] <LeeJunFan> like saying XP is the good windows.
[05:03] <kkathman> seezer: dunno if this helps...but take a look:  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/416049
[05:04] <LeeJunFan> sephora: do you see a little brown wallet in your task tray?
[05:04] <seezer> sephora: ah! :) ok, just delete /home/sephora/.kde/share/apps/kopete/ 
[05:04] <strike4ce> raphink: When I start xine it states at top that there is no mrl?
[05:04] <LeeJunFan> seezer: might be in wallet too.
[05:05] <seezer> LeeJunFan: true. asked it before but got no answer :)
[05:05] <strike4ce> Delvien: Scroll up for that Howto link.
[05:05] <kkathman> seezer if you look at the "Sensors" section of that, you'
[05:05] <kkathman> seezer will see something that refers to "type"
[05:05] <LeeJunFan> sephora: just in case also rm -rf /home/sephora/.kde/share/apps/kwallet
[05:05] <strike4ce> Delvien: Here:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=78466
[05:06] <seezer> kkathman: yes i see. now uses superkaramba lmsensors? gonna search, second
[05:06] <strike4ce> Delvien: I messed with mine for almost a week and found that guide followed it, and now my card works great 
[05:07] <seezer> kkathman: yes it does. did you setup lm_sensors?
[05:07] <seezer> kkathman: try this - i bet it should work then
[05:07] <kkathman> seezer: probably not...how do I do that?
[05:07] <sephora> seezer: Thanks... So easy...
[05:08] <seezer> kkathman: http://www2.lm-sensors.nu/~lm78/ there should be a good howto
[05:08] <kkathman> great I'll check that out...thank you!
[05:08] <seezer> kkathman: check that you got the right modules loaded
[05:09] <seezer> it's in kernel 2.6 so no drivers needed anymore
[05:09] <seezer> no big magic - if it works like it should ;)
[05:10] <seezer> sephora: no problem
[05:10] <sephora> One more thing: I have doanloaded firefox-1.0.7.installer.tar.gz, LimeWireLinux.rpm and skype_1.2.0.18-1_i386.deb   What do i have to to to make them work on the pc?
[05:11] <LeeJunFan> sephora: sounds like 3 more things :)
[05:12] <kkathman> wonder why there is no lmsensors in the repos?
[05:12] <nimatar> omg, i accidentally disinstalled all my system :\, i searched for "gnome" in adept then clicked cltrl+a rightclick->unistall, thinking in would uninstall all visible packages (ie. all gnome packages) but it was trying to remove my _whole_ system, i did some ctrl+c and at least it stopped...
[05:12] <seezer> kkathman: lm-sensors - utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors
[05:13] <sephora> Ok... I see that, but I thougt there may be one solution for all of them? Or schold I just del dem and let her have the pc wihtout them?
[05:13] <seezer> sephora: firefox you install with: sudo apt-get install firefox
[05:13] <nimatar> now apt-get gives me this error: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[05:13] <kkathman> ahhh was typing it without the - and using underscore lol
[05:13] <seezer> kkathman: ;)
[05:14] <nimatar> uhm... now i get a lot of errors like: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://it.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-backports/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/it.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-backports_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[05:14] <seezer> nimatar: then first backup everything :)
[05:16] <nimatar> damn
[05:17] <seezer> nimatar: doesn't help you, but i agree, adept still needs lots of work..
[05:18] <strike4ce> I have the Xine How do I install the xinelib
[05:19] <kkathman> seezer: do I have to ascertain the chips on my MB for all these things?
[05:19] <kkathman> no way for me to know
[05:20] <seezer> sensors-detect
[05:21] <mornfall> nimatar: that's because you should have used preview changes, silly
[05:21] <nimatar> :\
[05:22] <seezer> mornfall: anyway.. it's all but intuitive usability to select everything in the background when you expect it to select those you can actually see
[05:23] <_jon> hi
[05:23] <mornfall> seezer: that's not it... it's that he probably removed some critical dependency of nearly everything
[05:23] <kkathman> seezer: well so much for that....it doesnt support my board ...cant detect any sensors :)
[05:23] <manveru> would be nice to have a window on the right where you can see what packages are installed/removed
[05:23] <mornfall> seezer: ctrl+a will indeed only select what you can see
[05:24] <kkathman> funny, gkrellm reads it fine :)
[05:24] <jjesse> if i'm trying to install something and i get a md5sum mismatch should it be reported?
[05:24] <jjesse> using us.archive.ubuntu.com
[05:24] <kkathman> jjesse: probably so
[05:24] <mornfall> jjesse: maybe update first
[05:24] <jjesse> i did
[05:24] <mornfall> jjesse: then, that's a problem, yes
[05:24] <_jon> hi
[05:24] <sephora> seezer: Limewire is not tha easy. Do I have to unpack my file?
[05:24] <jjesse> where do i go to report it?
[05:25] <seezer> kkathman: did you do it as root and answer everything with 'yes'?
[05:25] <seezer> mornfall: ok, didn't check it
[05:25] <kkathman> seezer: didnt do it as root, but it ran fine and I answered the 1st question YES and it came back saying that no chips were detected
[05:26] <kkathman> which basically to them means (it says this) that they dont support the board
[05:26] <kkathman> its ok... I know my chip runs around 108-122 99% of the time
[05:28] <kkathman> I apparently dont have a very good fan on it right now.  It was running around 140, with the case closed and with the chip fan and a power supply fan.  So I've opened the case up, put a fan on the board (external fan) and got the temp down to 116-118
[05:29] <kkathman> gotta explore some other alternatives I suppose
[05:29] <seezer> to lm_sensors?
[05:29] <kkathman> no...to cooling that chip :)
[05:29] <kkathman> maybe 118 is ok
[05:29] <kkathman> I'll check the specs
 ctrl+a will indeed only select what you can see <-- are you sure??
[05:30] <seezer> kkathman: 118?
[05:30] <seezer> ah. lol, ok. thought C
[05:30] <mornfall> nimatar: well, do i need to test it or you trust me? :)
[05:30] <kkathman> seezer yah  it WAS 140 with the side on
[05:30] <kkathman> oops sorry F
[05:31] <seezer> *g* thought your room's on fire :P
[05:31] <nimatar> mornfall, but if its true than i don't understand why it was removing all my packages...
[05:32] <kkathman> hmm max die temp for my chip is 85C
[05:32] <kkathman> lol
[05:32] <kkathman> I think Im ok
[05:33] <mornfall> nimatar: double-check the list for something lots of packages depend on
[05:33] <mornfall> nimatar: if you remove something (obviously), all its dependencies (recursively) will be uninstalled
[05:33] <kkathman> even 140 is only 60C
[05:35] <kkathman> seezer thanks anyway for your help, my friend :)
[05:36] <nimatar> mornfall: i don't think adept is a dependency of something from gnome, nor is open-office or koffice or whatever
[05:37] <seezer> kkathman: that's what we're here for :)
[05:37] <nimatar> i was wrong not checking the preview changes, but still i don't understand what happened
[05:40] <kkathman> broadband that is
[05:40] <mornfall> nimatar: ok, so let's see
[05:40] <strike4ce> Can anyone help me to get xine up and running?
[05:41] <kkathman> strike4ce: what are you trying to use it with?
[05:41] <kkathman> kaffeine?
[05:42] <mornfall> fiiine, kdecore (KLibLoader): WARNING: KLibrary: /home/mornfall/dev/kde/_install/lib/kde3/libkonsolepart.so: undefined symbol: init_libkonsolepart
[05:42] <mornfall> nimatar: let me upgrade breezy chroot then
[05:43] <mornfall> well, adept will be 'nuff
[05:43] <kkathman> mornfall: maybe need to get a lib?
[05:43] <nimatar> mornfall, what?
[05:43] <mornfall> kkathman: nah, broken svn build atm
[05:43] <kkathman> ahh
[05:43] <kkathman> mornfall: I have had so many probs with my compiling lately :(
[05:44] <mornfall> oh well, i didn't have much time lately... being ill sucks
[05:44] <strike4ce> kkathman: DVD
 let me upgrade breezy chroot then <-- i don't understand this sentence...
[05:45] <strike4ce> kkathman: I have the UI installed But I need the xine lib installed and dont know how
[05:45] <kkathman> strike4ce: take a look at apt-cache search xine    lots of modules to choose from...I dont know which one you need, cuz you need to know the product
[05:45] <kkathman> check that out what I sent
[05:46] <mornfall> nimatar: let's say libgamin0
[05:46] <mornfall> nimatar: it matches gnome and all of kde depends on it
[05:46] <mornfall> nimatar: satisfied?
[05:46] <ganymed> hallo
[05:46] <strike4ce> kkathman: Its the Xine player I need to configure the Xine-lib and make.   I downloaded to my desktop and converted the tar file.  It made it a file on my desktop.  SHould I put that file in the Xine UI file?
[05:47] <mornfall> nimatar: (same for libxml)
[05:47] <kkathman> you need to compile then?
[05:47] <ganymed> i don't wanna complain, but either kde 3.4 or kubuntu is extremely buggy...
[05:47] <strike4ce> kkathman: yes i guess
[05:47] <kkathman> strike4ce: take a look at apt-cache search xine   you'll find some libs there... maybe that libarts1-xine
[05:47] <hussam> ganymed: what problems are you having with kde 3.4?
[05:48] <kkathman> I dunno which one you need strike4ce 
[05:48] <kkathman> ganymed: there are bugs in any released software...what issues are you having?
[05:48] <nimatar> mornfall, so a dependencies system that don't sux should leave them, shouldn't it?
[05:48] <mornfall> nimatar: you explicitly said you wanted them removed, dude
[05:49] <mornfall> nimatar: why should system try to outsmart you?
[05:49] <nimatar> uhm... no
[05:49] <gaymed> well. i have changed some config stuff, and when i logged in again, the login worked but afterwards my nb switched off.
[05:49] <mornfall> nimatar: uhm... yes
[05:49] <mornfall> nimatar: you selected those libraries and said uninstall
[05:49] <nimatar> mornfall, ok maybe i'm understanding now
[05:49] <mornfall> nimatar: what did you expect it would do?
[05:49] <hussam> ganymed: nb is notebook?
[05:50] <Delvien> strike4ce so the 8.18.8 work ?
[05:50] <nimatar> mornfall, i would expect it warns me i'm removing a depencencie of an installed package...
[05:50] <mornfall> nimatar: next time i'll make it pop up clippy telling you something witty about you removing many packages
[05:51] <nimatar> but at least I understand what happened i think
[05:51] <hussam> ganymed: does the notebook just turn off by ifself?
[05:51] <strike4ce> Delvien: I have the current driver installed
[05:51] <mornfall> nimatar: i have expected people that they know what they do (wrongly)
[05:51] <strike4ce> Delvien: From ATI
[05:51] <gaymed> i deleted .kde, copied some config files (from the ones i thought that wouldn't cause a problem), after some logins the same stuff occured again
[05:51] <Delvien> strike4ce cool il try it out, can you scale down the clock ?
[05:51] <mornfall> nimatar: guess i'll make that a configuration option though (turned on by default)
[05:51] <mornfall> nimatar: and i'll of course turn it off locally :)
[05:52] <hussam> ganymed: well there's no way kde can cause the notebook to turn off by ifself without user interaction
[05:52] <nimatar> mornfall, i'm quite sure emerge for example don't let you uninstall a dependency of another program
[05:53] <hussam> ganymed: are you sure it's not some hardware problem?
[05:53] <mornfall> nimatar: *shrug* debian tends to do what you tell it to do
[05:53] <mornfall> nimatar: not what someone thought would be better for you
[05:53] <mornfall> nimatar: that's why i am using it (and not eg windows)
[05:53] <anabain> hi
[05:53] <anabain>  how can I tell kview from konsole to display an image with the "fit-window" size?
[05:54] <Delvien> strike4ce do you know ?
[05:54] <kkathman> anabain: from konsole....seems what you are asking would be application specific
[05:54] <kkathman> not system
[05:55] <kkathman> anabain: what are you tring to do?
[05:55] <anabain> I am writing a bash script
[05:56] <kkathman> ok
[05:56] <kkathman> and?
[05:56] <kkathman> anabain: still displaying an image would be more of an application setting wouldnt it?
[05:56] <anabain> I want kview to show a formatted image  previously with the script, for testing results
[05:56] <Delvien> strike4ce you there?
[05:57] <kkathman> anabain: hmm..I'd check with the kview program and see if there are parameter that could be passed to cause it to do what you want it to do
[05:57] <anabain> there is one called -geometry
[05:57] <nimatar> mornfall, i understand your point, but i still think it's not very usefull..
[05:58] <anabain> but it doesn't affect kview, but the X system
[05:58] <nimatar> mornfall, anyway, thanks for your attention
[05:58] <nimatar> mornfall, and time
[06:01] <strike4ce> Delvien: Sorry I dunno but that howto will get the official ATI driver up and running
[06:02] <Delvien> strike4ce says unauthorized download on ATI .com while trying to get to the driver
[06:02] <mth`MAW> Hello
[06:04] <Delvien> strike4ce anyway you can send me the driver?
[06:05] <mornfall> nimatar: well, suggestions?
[06:07] <nimatar> mornfall, as i already said, a warnig when you try to remove packages that are dependencies would be welcome
[06:07] <apokryphos> mornfall: people really seem to favour that, rather than the plain "preview changes" 
[06:07] <apokryphos> there was a bug report about that from a guy who was rather annoyed, IIRC
[06:07] <mornfall> yeah, he was a moron, too :)
[06:08] <mornfall> whatever
[06:08] <apokryphos> mornfall: you do indeed have a tough job; pleasing everyone isn't easy :)
[06:08] <nimatar> mornfall, maybe with a "show this message again" option
[06:09] <mornfall> nimatar: i'll make the preview button go away by default and commit will give you preview instead and you'll have to click once more to get it perform
[06:09] <mornfall> nimatar: which will be configurable
[06:09] <mornfall> nimatar: err, wait
[06:09] <mornfall> nimatar: preview won't go away
[06:09] <mornfall> nimatar: just that preview with a "commit" button on bottom will be probably the default action for commit
[06:09] <nimatar> mornfall, yeah that would be nice
[06:10] <mornfall> i don't like when it says commit and does preview, but *shrug* people are unteachable
[06:10] <mornfall> they read commit and think preview for some reason or what
[06:10] <othernoob> where can i find a good sources.list for breezy?
[06:10] <mornfall> othernoob: in your /etc/apt :-))
[06:10] <othernoob> i said "good"
[06:11] <mornfall> and you meant what?
[06:11] <mornfall> "screwed"?
[06:11] <apokryphos> !sources
[06:11] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[06:11] <othernoob> mornfall: i mean a good one, not the default one that comes with this catastrophy of distro ;)
[06:12] <othernoob> thanks apokryphos
[06:12] <mornfall> othernoob: use something else then when it's so bad, huh?
[06:12] <nimatar> mornfall, but maybe a warnig would be better, because otherwise peple (specially those who come from w*****$) tend to just click commit again without looking
[06:12] <apokryphos> othernoob: and trolls are annoying
[06:13] <mornfall> nimatar: there's no helping to the stupid (they will click away the warning without reading, anyway)
[06:13] <othernoob> apokryphos: heh, are you calling me a troll?
[06:13] <mornfall> maybe me :)
[06:14] <mornfall> listening to Edguy - King of Fools
[06:14] <mornfall> :D
[06:14] <mornfall> it's not my "be nice" day, so
[06:14] <mornfall> and i have an exam tomorrow
[06:15] <mornfall> and maybe i could as well go home
[06:15] <mornfall> can i close adept now or someone else with adept screwed my system complaints? :-)
[06:17] <Flixor> hi everybody
[06:17] <apokryphos> othernoob: calling something a catastrophe of a distro in the distro channel is pretty trollish ;-)
[06:19] <othernoob> so is defending one ;-)
[06:19] <mornfall> hmm, cleaning-up lady appears in office... maybe time to go home, really
[06:19] <mornfall> if i just wasn't so lazy :)
[06:19] <mornfall> othernoob: defending what?
[06:19] <othernoob> mornfall: the distro.
[06:20] <othernoob> apokryphos: but seriously, you can't tell me that breezy is the least bit better than its predecessors..
[06:20] <mornfall> oh yeah, he can
[06:20] <apokryphos> othernoob: constructive criticism is often welcome; random statements suggesting the distro is crap is evidently not
[06:21] <mornfall> apokryphos: c'mon, don't spoil the fun
[06:22] <apokryphos> 8)
[06:22] <othernoob> apokryphos: you may or may not recall that it was critized with hoary that dma is not enabled by default, that numlock was not enabled by default.......
[06:22] <mornfall> kubuntu breezy is better than hoary, even if only because adept > kynaptic
[06:23] <mornfall> othernoob: oh hell yeah, it's completely ingenious idea to turn on numlock by default on a notebook
[06:23] <apokryphos> one of the many reasons
[06:23] <elcuco> hi, how can i enable the konsole font in konsole?
[06:23] <mornfall> othernoob: (oh, you have a reliable method telling if a computer is or isn't a notebook, sorry...)
[06:24] <othernoob> mornfall: don't act as if you're superior to me..
[06:24] <othernoob> my nickname means nothing, even if you may think so
[06:24] <mornfall> that almost sounds like an assertion that you are superior
[06:25] <mornfall> (at least that's my understanding of the used conditional)
[06:25] <othernoob> for some reason i think you feel threatened..
[06:25] <mornfall> do i?
[06:25] <mornfall> by whom
[06:25] <othernoob> you act as if..
[06:25] <apokryphos> othernoob: if you want to discuss the actual topic then you should; degenerating into argumentum ad hominems evidently isn't going to get you far
[06:25] <mornfall> yes?
[06:27] <gaymed> sorry. had to work
[06:27] <othernoob> mornfall: since you're so much in love with kubuntu, please do tell me why it is the greatest..
[06:27] <mornfall> othernoob: hmm, who said i am? (for your info, i don't even use it...)
[06:28] <othernoob> mornfall: if you don't even use it, then how come you can even claim that the default sources.list is any good?
[06:28] <ganymed> ok. i am back...
[06:29] <ganymed> os i log in, get the desktop, suddenly the sreen gets black and shortly afterwards the notebook switches off
[06:29] <mornfall> othernoob: i have an install of it
[06:29] <nxv_> hi 
[06:29] <othernoob> mornfall: so you do use it then..
[06:29] <apokryphos> othernoob: why exactly is it not good?
[06:29] <othernoob> apokryphos: 404s on some repos..
[06:30] <mornfall> not here
[06:30] <apokryphos> othernoob: pastebin the errors, then produce the URL here
[06:30] <mornfall> othernoob: have installed != use
[06:30] <ganymed> i repaired my user account and it worked for some time. then it did the same again. i think this happened first when i activated hibernate
[06:31] <othernoob> mornfall: fascinating, yet have installed also !=knowing anything about the sources.list ;)
[06:31] <musik> can i disable rsync at startup? do i need it??
[06:31] <nxv_> i cant set my xorg to my notebook display resolution. 1400x1050 i have uncommented the 1400x1050 modline and inserted "1400x1050" in the displays modes line
[06:31] <othernoob> apokryphos: no need to pastebin, backports repos..
[06:32] <ganymed> ok, you are all gone and nobody talks to me... so i'll start again
[06:32] <apokryphos> othernoob: so comment them out
[06:32] <othernoob> apokryphos: heh,
[06:32] <nxv_> it is the first enty in the modes line but it is not selected by default nor can i select it with krandrtray
[06:32] <othernoob> apokryphos: considering that i wanted to use them...that wouldn't help much would it?
[06:32] <ganymed> when i login with kdm my screen gets black and my notebook turns off. can this be connected to hibernation (klaptop)?
[06:33] <mornfall> othernoob: see, it sits in a chroot, i need to test software on it from time to time and my main system is debian sid... happy?
[06:33] <apokryphos> othernoob: considering they don't exist, it would seem odd (suffice it to say) for you to want touse them
[06:33] <othernoob> mornfall: always, i'm a jolly fella.
[06:33] <othernoob> apokryphos: if they don't exist, why are they in the default sources.list
[06:34] <apokryphos> othernoob: they don't exist yet
[06:34] <othernoob> i see. interesting concept indeed.
[06:35] <musik> othernoob: for some reason default sources.list aint that good..........
[06:35] <apokryphos> musik: why ever not?
[06:35] <othernoob> musik: don't say that... i'm a troll because of it ;)
[06:35] <manveru> someone here using composite without crashes? :)
[06:36] <apokryphos> othernoob: please don't lie
[06:36] <apokryphos> othernoob: that's not all you said
[06:36] <ganymed> ok. sth else.
[06:36] <apokryphos> manveru: yup
[06:36] <othernoob> apokryphos: don't take everything so seriously..
[06:36] <othernoob> musik: i also said that breezy and its predecessors are crap...thus a troll
[06:37] <nxv_> what else do i need to do to get my lcds default resolution working?
[06:37] <ganymed> ok, is there a reasonable (k)ubuntu documentation somewhere on the net
[06:37] <ganymed> ?
[06:37] <manveru> apokryphos: odd, is there something i have overlooked? because it crashes my X regulary...
[06:37] <apokryphos> othernoob: you seemed pretty serious (and you didn't exactly suggest you were joking after :P)
[06:37] <musik> huh....thats what i was told in this channel itself....that the default sources.list aint too complete.......
[06:37] <strike4ce> Why does my xine player say there is no mrl?
[06:37] <othernoob> apokryphos: yea well, jokes are a bit tough on irc..
[06:38] <othernoob> apokryphos: but honestly, nothing has improved in breezy..
[06:41] <nxv_> has noone any further suggestions to my resolution problem on my laptop?
[06:41] <ganymed> is there a reasonable (k)ubuntu documentation on the net??
[06:42] <jjesse> ganymed: we are working on it
[06:42] <bhna> nxv_: http://www.linux-laptop.net/
[06:42] <musik> guess what...im using hoary rite now........bcoz its much faster & less buggier than breezy........
[06:42] <jjesse> ganymed: beside information on the wiki there is information at doc.ubuntu.com
[06:43] <musik> i cant wait for the dapper release.....its supposed to be very fast on bootup!!
[06:43] <GeMMa> hi
[06:43] <GeMMa> people!!!
[06:43] <nxv_> bhna: thx, but a little to general to push me ahead
[06:44] <GeMMa> what distro can i use for a slow pc?
[06:44] <GeMMa> i use xubunut
[06:44] <GeMMa> is it good?
[06:44] <GeMMa> is there anything better?
[06:45] <bhna> nxv_: shure, bbut i have no idea about your monitor ...
[06:45] <GeMMa> hey!!
[06:45] <musik> GeMMa: xubuntu is enuff i guess
[06:45] <dipnlik> GeMMa: you can try a even lighter window manager, like fluxbox or icewm
[06:45] <GeMMa> is there one?
[06:45] <nxv_> bhna: it is just about get 1400x1050 running with fglrx xorg driver
[06:46] <dipnlik> GeMMa: or if you're really radical like me, use ratpoison
[06:48] <GeMMa> dipnlik: what's that?
[06:49] <bhna> nxv_: http://www.viajes-abaco.com/m400a/xorg_conf_fglrx_single.htm
[06:50] <GeMMa> dipnlik: what's that?
[06:51] <dipnlik> GeMMa: a really radical window manager
[06:52] <dipnlik> GeMMa: www.nongnu.org/ratpoison
[06:52] <dipnlik> GeMMa: it is like screen but for X :)
[06:52] <GeMMa> but do u use it on kub?
[06:54] <dipnlik> GeMMa: yes
[06:54] <ganymed> thx very much. where is help needed most right now?
[06:54] <GeMMa> and what progs do u use on it?
[06:54] <dipnlik> GeMMa: P3 550, 128 RAM here, KDE is very slow, xfce is a little slow
[06:54] <GeMMa> what 's ur use of kub?
[06:55] <mornfall> othernoob: please no random /msg'ing
[06:55] <GeMMa> me 800 mhz and 128 of ram
[06:55] <GeMMa> what do u think?
[06:55] <GeMMa> dipnlik: ??
[06:56] <mornfall> othernoob: as for [18:42:22]  < othernoob> apokryphos: but honestly, nothing has improved in breezy..
[06:56] <mornfall> othernoob: that's outright nonsense, unless you have very special definition of improvement
[06:57] <dipnlik> GeMMa: xfce should run fine
[06:57] <othernoob> well, tell me what has improved?
[06:57] <dipnlik> GeMMa: anyway, more RAM is always welcome :)
[06:57] <SysFail> anybody point me to a page for installing the ati drivers on breezy?
[06:57] <musik> i accidentally deleted synaptic from menu.....how to get it back?
[06:58] <kkathman> just add it back
[06:58] <musik> how?? it aint anywhere in menu
[06:58] <aeon17x> musik: how the hell did you manage to delete it?
[06:59] <kkathman> right click on the K on the kicker, choose Menu Editor
[06:59] <musik> i was actually trying to get it some submenu...and then.........
[06:59] <kkathman> better yet...use Adept :)
[06:59] <bhna> SysFail: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=78466
[06:59] <musik> kkathman: then..........whr is synaptic stored so i can link to it via kmenmuedit??
[06:59] <frank23> !tell SysFail about ati
[07:00] <kkathman> musik go to a konsole and type whereis synaptic
[07:00] <kkathman> musik: its probably in /usr/bin
[07:01] <musik> kkathman: /usr/sbin/synaptic /usr/share/synaptic /usr/share/man/man8/synaptic.8.gz
[07:01] <kkathman> hey I was right :)
[07:01] <kkathman> now just menu edit and fill in the blanks
[07:01] <musik> thx:)
[07:01] <SysFail> thanks guys :)
[07:01] <othernoob> mornfall: i'm waiting.
[07:02] <mornfall> othernoob: hmm sorry packing up things... well, package management (that's my area, i don't know much else stuff from kubuntu)
[07:02] <bhna> othernoob: usplash, gcc4, kde 3.4.3, openoffice 2.0 ...
[07:03] <mornfall> othernoob: some people would say system settings (i'm not sure here)
[07:03] <mornfall> othernoob: lots of bugfixes
[07:04] <othernoob> mornfall: adept isn't that much of an improvement over kynaptic, sure, it's easier to edit the sources.list, but its interface isn't better.
[07:04] <Mars_^> I have a little problem with liquid weather theme
[07:04] <Mars_^> Can someone elp me?
[07:05] <othernoob> bhna: those do not count at all
[07:05] <bhna> othernoob: why?
[07:05] <othernoob> mornfall: keep in mind that this distro claims that it is userfriendly.. and it certainly is not. 
[07:06] <othernoob> bhna: because those are merely some newer versions of software
[07:06] <othernoob> bhna: are you telling me you were using OOo1.3 with hoary?
[07:06] <strike4ce> If xine is in adept. Does that mean it is the most current version?
[07:07] <bhna> othernoob: openoffice with freebsd 6.0
[07:07] <othernoob> bhna: but since you're mentioning software.. no repos ever get updated, not in hoary, nor in breezy. other than the security fixes.
[07:07] <Mars_^>  Hi i have a little problem with liqid weather theme on superkaramba. I cant find file where I can set font of weather
[07:07] <Strike4ce> If xine is in adept. Does that mean it is the most current version?
[07:07] <othernoob> bhna: and if you even mention OOo2 at least do mention that it is OOo 1.9.126, not OOo2. it is still OOo2 beta ;)
[07:08] <bhna> othernoob: what do mean with "improvments"?
[07:08] <mornfall> othernoob: i forgot you define what's user-friendly and what's a better interface...
[07:08] <mornfall> --> home
[07:09] <othernoob> mornfall: userfriendly..like i mentioned earlier DMA enabled by default for example
[07:09] <GeMMa> which is the bedt distro for slow pcs?(128 of ram and 800mhz)
[07:09] <GeMMa> *best
[07:10] <kkathman> GeMMa: its what you install that makes the difference
[07:11] <kkathman> ubuntu works great for slow PCs...I have one PC here thats an old HP with 96mb memory
[07:11] <othernoob> bhna: since the main target of this wannabe debian-distro is to get new non-*nix users to use linux i'd consider pretty much everthing, which may accomplanish that, an improvement
[07:11] <GeMMa> what do u mean?
[07:11] <kkathman> GeMMa: for instance, you might not be able to run KDE
[07:12] <kkathman> GeMMa: but you could run command line or maybe a lighterweight GUI like XFCE
[07:12] <othernoob> kkathman: well, he'll be able to, but he won't be happy with it..
[07:12] <kkathman> othernoob: I ran it its fine
[07:13] <kkathman> but I have since moved to just the CLI
[07:13] <bhna> othernoob: like macosx?
[07:13] <kkathman> the older the hardware, the more Linux likes to have more memory
[07:13] <GeMMa> kkathman: so what apps should i use to substituute firefox and amulka?
[07:13] <GeMMa> amule
[07:14] <kkathman> GeMMa: more native GUIs will have something native...KDE has Konqueror and Gnome has Nautilis
[07:14] <kkathman> but I'd suggest at least adding more memory if you can
[07:14] <kkathman> the processor wont be as important (its important) as the amount of memory
[07:15] <othernoob> bhna: osx doesn't have the same target. but yes, it's certainly better, in all regards, except portability..which is why i dislike it ;)
[07:18] <funkyHat> anyone else had trouble with amaroK? and how did you get around it?
[07:22] <Mars_^> Someone using liqid weather theme for karamba?
[07:22] <seth_k|lappy> funkyHat, download 1.3.5 from kubuntu.org
[07:22] <seth_k|lappy> Mars_^, I am
[07:22] <Mars_^> So do you have problems with weather updating?
[07:22] <seth_k|lappy> no
[07:22] <Mars_^> Shit I have :/
[07:23] <Mars_^> And maybe you know how can i edit my language file
[07:23] <slow-motion> hallo
[07:23] <Mars_^> cause i have to change fonts
[07:23] <Mars_^> and i cant find file
[07:23] <kkathman> Hey Mars_^ wassup?
[07:24] <seth_k|lappy> i'll bet it's because I'm using KDE 3.5 + the new superkaramba, which works with the new skz version of lw+
[07:25] <Mars^> ?
[07:25] <kkathman> Mars_^: I used the liquid weather theme in SK
[07:25] <Mars^> So maybe you know where is file that i can edit my fonts because polish fonts are crashed :/
[07:26] <kkathman> Mars_^: for the Liquid Weather?
[07:26] <Mars^> Yes
[07:27] <kkathman> Mars^: right click on the widget and you'll see lots of updates you can do...one is to set the delay between updates, and there are other tweaks
[07:29] <kkathman> Mars^: you can do and immediate update by right clicking and then clicking "reload theme"
[07:29] <kkathman> Mars^: or...you can set the delay time to 1,2, or 3 hours
[07:29] <vonHalenbach> Is in Kubuntu Breezy a firewall installed ?
[07:31] <kkathman> vonHalenbach: yes  firestarter is the front end for iptables
[07:31] <vonHalenbach> oh thank you. kkathman .
[07:31] <kkathman> np
[07:32] <Mars>  kkathman yes i sey it but it doesent work :/
[07:34] <kkathman> Mars you cant right click or what?
[07:34] <kkathman> RIght-click, then Configure theme
[07:34] <Mars> Yes
[07:34] <Mars> But I set 1 hour 
[07:34] <kkathman> ok
[07:35] <Mars> id doesent update after 1 hour
[07:35] <kkathman> well right click and click re-load theme then
[07:35] <Mars> i know cause last night i lest my PC and at the morning i had old weather
[07:35] <apokryphos> othernoob: if you're genuinely stuck for improvements...
[07:35] <apokryphos> the whole release announcement mentions a few things
[07:36] <apokryphos> for me the most palpable one was the difference in speed; very noticeable for me. Others: more stability with packages, _more_ packages; extra GUI features and tinkerings to KDE
[07:36] <apokryphos> the difference isn't _that_ great since unfortunately the KDE version is still the same; it's annoying for us, but hey -- that's one of the small downfalls of having a predictable/regular release cycle
[07:37] <jjesse> check out the release notes section, it will explain a lot of changes
[07:37] <seth_k|lappy> so jjesse did you make member or not, the /topic confuses me :P
[07:37] <Mars> But i need to edit file where i can select my font in weather, where in liquid weather are all those files? in .skz file?
[07:38] <apokryphos> seth_k: I believe dear Jonathan just needs to verify to sabdfl that jjesse should be a member
[07:38] <jjesse> seth_k|lappy: i was voted on succesfully last night but haven't been processed by Kaimon or something
[07:38] <seth_k|lappy> jjesse, gotcha, congrats
[07:38] <seth_k|lappy> Kamion
[07:38] <ganymed> ciao
[07:38] <apokryphos> good going jjesse :)
[07:38] <CaBlGuY> greetings
[07:38] <jjesse> Riddell gave his +1 just as sabdfl was leaving so i think it was official :)
[07:38] <othernoob> apokryphos: i can accept the kde problem, but like i said, things like DMA are really annoying, considering that k/ubuntu so desperately tries to get MS users to use linux..
[07:38] <jjesse> if not they were speaking together at UBZ
[07:39] <CaBlGuY> I just installed K, and Im not seein it on the session menue..
[07:39] <kkathman> Mars you can do some in configure, but you can also try right clicking the widget, then choose Edit and then Edit script
[07:39] <CaBlGuY> do I need to register or enable it?
[07:39] <othernoob> apokryphos: and don't come to the conclusion that this is my first distro and/or recently converted to *nix..
[07:39] <apokryphos> othernoob: seems like a really really bad reason for concluding that there was no advance between the distros
[07:39] <jjesse> i am working on install mod_ntmlm for apache2 and i need apxs to do the install, as I can't find a package for it
[07:39] <apokryphos> othernoob: when did I ever imply that?
[07:39] <Mars> kkathman,  i dont have EDIT when i right click
[07:40] <othernoob> apokryphos: it's not the only reason... you didn't imply it..
[07:40] <kkathman> Mars then we must not be using the same Liquid Weather
[07:40] <jjesse> othernoob: you are staying w/ hoary instead of going to breezy?  it runs so much smoother and quicker for me on my laptop
[07:40] <apokryphos> othernoob: caps-lock is?
[07:41] <apokryphos> othernoob: I'm still waiting for you to refute the reasons I provided above...
[07:41] <othernoob> jjesse: i'm staying with neither..i'm setting it up for someone else..
[07:41] <jjesse> i am very much impressed on how much smoother my laptop runs on breezy vs hoary
[07:41] <jjesse> boy that sounded like terrible english
[07:41] <Mars> kkathman, i am using the 8.5 one
[07:42] <apokryphos> but I'll respond to any criticisms if there actually are any later
[07:42] <othernoob> apokryphos: well, since you're heading off now you don't really give me a chance to refute do you ;)
[07:42] <othernoob> apokryphos: but another thing..just a quickie
[07:42] <othernoob> apokryphos: what about a basic calculator in a virgin kubuntu install?
[07:42] <apokryphos> othernoob: of course you can; I said I'd respond to them later as soon as I'm back
[07:42] <othernoob> apokryphos: even windows provides that..
[07:43] <kkathman> Mars I dont know which one I have actually :)
[07:43] <othernoob> apokryphos: certainly, but i may not be here anymore when you come back ;)
[07:44] <othernoob> apokryphos: let's face it, kubuntu is only half a distro without internet access..
[07:44] <seth_k|lappy> othernoob, speedcrunch is installed per default in breezy iirc
[07:45] <kkathman> Mars all I can tell you is that its liquid weather plus
[07:45] <kkathman> I got mine from the kde-look.org page
[07:46] <othernoob> seth_k: speedcrunch ..what a calculator that is....
[08:32] <slow-motion> bbl
[08:34] <apokryphos> othernoob: you're still here, but no refutations 8)
[08:34] <apokryphos> but some random point about it being half the distro without Internet. Err...
[08:34] <othernoob> well, you were gone, what's the use of typing?
[08:34] <mornfall> othernoob: speedcrunch is a calculator that is actually useful (unlike kcalc or windows calc)
[08:35] <othernoob> mornfall: it's quite a lightweight..
[08:35] <mornfall> lightweight in which sense?
[08:36] <apokryphos> othernoob: I already mentioned why... because I'd be able to see the comments when I got back.
[08:36] <othernoob> mornfall: in a sense of limited capabilities..
[08:36] <mornfall> othernoob: compared to what? calc.exe? don't make a fool of yourself
[08:37] <othernoob> mornfall: doesn't the windows calculator have an advanced setting for scientific things?
[08:37] <mornfall> and well, there's always octave when you need something bigger :)
[08:38] <mornfall> othernoob: scientific things like what? trigonometry? base 2/8/10/16?
[08:38] <mornfall> maybe cyclometry
[08:39] <mornfall> (exponents, logarithms... speedcrunch got all of that -- it's a normal "basic" calculator)
[08:42] <othernoob> apokryphos: well, you pretty much just said that it has more packages, better stability/speed and some GUI features... one can't argue with the more packages argument..more stability..since i've only used it for a day so far i can't argue there. 
[08:44] <othernoob> mornfall: just take a look for yourself at kcalc and speedcrunch..it's a difference of about 200k ..
[08:45] <othernoob> apokryphos: so what exactly do you want me to refute? that there are less packages? less stable?
[08:46] <apokryphos> othernoob: you don't have to refute anything; though I'd note that it deals with your original comment
[08:46] <mornfall> othernoob: 200k what?
[08:46] <othernoob> apokryphos: how?
[08:46] <apokryphos> othernoob: "but seriously, you can't tell me that breezy is the least bit better than its predecessors.."
[08:47] <othernoob> mornfall: speedcrunch is about 480k installed.. and kcalc 608k..
[08:47] <apokryphos> it seems quite obvious that stability, GUI improvements, more packages are inherently *positive* ammendments
[08:47] <mornfall> othernoob: you are joking right?
[08:47] <othernoob> mornfall: no i'm not, i took those numbers from adept
[08:48] <mornfall> othernoob: no, i mean... how are those numbers related to the topic?
[08:49] <othernoob> apokryphos: more packages can't be taken into consideration though. neither can gui improvements.
[08:49] <mornfall> othernoob: yeah, nothing that someone else says cannot be taken into consideration :-)
[08:50] <apokryphos> othernoob: you are surely kidding. Why ever not
[08:50] <othernoob> mornfall: there was no reason to erase kcalc from a virgin install to replace it with a calculator that takes more time to use than to calculate things in your head..if it wasn't for size..
[08:51] <mornfall> othernoob: oh lord
[08:51] <zyn> hmm
[08:52] <mornfall> othernoob: because there are no buttons with numbers, it takes so long to write them, uh?
[08:52] <mornfall> or operators, well, yeah
[08:52] <mornfall> if you don't know them by heart, it's hard :)
[08:52] <apokryphos> zyn: on Breezy, it should
[08:52] <othernoob> apokryphos: so the gui looks different and you can play around with it, great. but real user problems haven't been fixed. do you think that a MS user cares to play around in the konsole to get things working?
[08:53] <othernoob> mornfall: are you suggesting that i use my mouse for a calculator?
[08:53] <apokryphos> othernoob: that's absolute rubbish; the other reasons I provided were clearly things being fixed. If you're just giong to stick to a position and rant about its truth there's not much point in discussion
[08:53] <mornfall> othernoob: the fact you can use parentheses makes it even worse
[08:53] <apokryphos> I also take it you didn't read the Breezy release announcement, which **clearly** stated some of the nice things it adopts
[08:53] <zyn> apokryphos: it doesnt...
[08:53] <mornfall> othernoob: well, what's the other difference in data input between speedcrunch and kcalc?
[08:54] <apokryphos> zyn: then something is wrong on your install
[08:54] <zyn> fun
[08:54] <othernoob> apokryphos: what did you say was fixed?
[08:54] <othernoob> apokryphos: new packages equal a "fix" ?
[08:55] <othernoob> apokryphos: is a lack of packages a bug?
[08:55] <apokryphos> othernoob: how are (i) new packages; (ii) fixed packages necessarily not "problems" that "haven't been fixed".
[08:55] <apokryphos> othernoob: it surely can be
[08:55] <apokryphos> othernoob: i.e. a usable package manager for the given distro being missing... that is indeed a bug.
[08:56] <othernoob> apokryphos: you may or may not remember that i've also stated long ago that the lack of repo maintainence sucks..
[08:56] <apokryphos> othernoob: and now it really **does** sound like you haven't tried out any other distros
[08:56] <apokryphos> Debian-based systems have some of the best package management out there
[08:57] <othernoob> apokryphos: "some of the best"..mmh. so what's better in your humble opinion?
[08:57] <thoreauputic> othernoob: lack of repo maintenance? What are you smoking?
[08:57] <othernoob> apokryphos: and i've used several distros
[08:57] <apokryphos> othernoob: so you can claim; it surely sounds like you haven't; or, not used them properly
[08:58] <othernoob> thoreauputic: you know as well as me that only the security repos get updates.
[08:58] <mornfall> thoreauputic: well, it must be good, he's babbling incoherently for hours now
[08:58] <thoreauputic> othernoob: wrong
[08:58] <apokryphos> hahaha
[08:58] <thoreauputic> othernoob: bug fixes as well
[08:58] <kkathman> lol
[08:59] <othernoob> thoreauputic: okay, bugs+security, but what about the rest?
[08:59] <othernoob> are you telling me that the other repos get updated? no they don't
[08:59] <apokryphos> for the rest there's the backports repository; but Breezy hasn't been out for long, so they don't exist yet.
[08:59] <thoreauputic> othernoob: umm - the whole *idea* is that the repos reamin stabe until the next release
[08:59] <apokryphos> kkathman: we were warned to not be thrown off by the nick ;-)
[09:00] <thoreauputic> *remain stable
[09:00] <apokryphos> othernoob: that's simply how packaging works
[09:00] <kkathman> aha!! I see...well...talk the talk and walk the walk I always say
[09:00] <othernoob> thoreauputic: are you kidding me now? what was "stable" about the openoffice 2 beta release in hoary?
[09:00] <othernoob> and that's just one example..
[09:00] <thoreauputic> othernoob: we are using the word in different senses
[09:00] <mornfall> othernoob: the fact that it doesn't change in the lifetime of hoary?
[09:01] <mornfall> othernoob: you don't get packages changing behaviour all of sudden (unless it was a serious bug)
[09:01] <othernoob> mornfall: the fact that that release wasn't usable.
[09:01] <apokryphos> errrr, yeah, sure it wasn't
[09:01] <othernoob> apokryphos: don't make a fool out of yourself, even the OOo people said so.
[09:01] <ganymed> hi. i have installed mysql server on breezy, but how is the admin password for the server?
[09:01] <mornfall> what a moron *sigh*
[09:01] <thoreauputic> othernoob: if you are so unhappy what are you  doing here ?  Find a distro that pleases you...
[09:02] <mornfall> good there's ignore :)
[09:02] <mustard5> thoreauputic, good call :)
[09:02] <apokryphos> othernoob: I think I'll leave it up to everyone else here to decide who's making a fool out of themselves. :)
[09:02] <kkathman> ROFL
[09:02] <othernoob> thoreauputic: since you weren't here earlier, i said i'm setting it up for someone else..
[09:02] <manveru> ganymed: there is none
[09:02] <apokryphos> and /me hates to be a spoil-sport, but this has nothing to do with user support -- and this is a support channel
[09:02] <apokryphos> othernoob: join #kubuntu-offtopic to continue the discussion
[09:02] <kkathman> I feel a mass ignore from all channel members...yes a definite disturbance in the Force :)
[09:02] <mornfall> apokryphos: it was fun for 20 minutes
[09:02] <kkathman> apokryphos: please dont encourage that
[09:03] <mustard5> kkathman, well this is the support channel :)
[09:03] <othernoob> apokryphos: you asked me for my opinion, so don't act as if i disturbed your channel. for all i care, you're an op. free the world.
[09:03] <kkathman> yah I know...but admittedly we can ignore him better over there I guess
[09:03] <manveru> huh...
[09:03] <manveru> ganymed: you have to set a password, default being that there is no password set
[09:03] <apokryphos> othernoob: not laying the blame; but it is offtopic. So continue in -offtopic
[09:04] <kkathman> wow its so easy to ignore in Konversation :)
[09:04] <othernoob> apokryphos: so now it's offtopic when you asked me first?
[09:04] <mornfall> i must admit it's been long time since i met such a troll
[09:04] <mornfall> that's probably because i don't read #debian too often ;-)
[09:04] <apokryphos> othernoob: the discussion is offtopic; if you have a problem with understanding why it is, then /msg me or ask in -offtopic, but don't continue in here.
[09:04] <thoreauputic> othernoob: just give it a rest - it's just getting boring now
[09:05] <kkathman> mornfall: there are always some kiddos that havent much else to do I suppose
[09:05] <judax> mornfall: greetings
[09:05] <mornfall> sounded almost like a gentooer
[09:05] <mornfall> judax: hello
[09:05] <mornfall> :P
[09:05] <ganymed> aha, thx for this. for dummies like me.
[09:05] <judax> <- Troy, working on the Adept Manual
[09:05] <mornfall> judax: ah, cool :)
[09:05] <ganymed> with all the sudo hack i don't really get why there is no passwd for the mysql server
[09:06] <judax> mornfall: got your reply, just not had time to reply, thx for reply, I will get that stuff in the doc
[09:06] <kkathman> ganymed: you can set one...use the regular mysql commands at the konsole
[09:06] <judax> mornfall: good luck with exam
[09:07] <mornfall> judax: okey :)
[09:07] <mornfall> (i actually don't overdo the study thing :p)
[09:07] <mornfall> and thanks
[09:07] <mornfall> i'll dream of leftmost (grammar) derivations tonight
[09:08] <judax> good, too much study makes Jack a dull boy
[09:10] <kkathman> mornfall: this sounds like no fun :)(
[09:10] <mornfall> oh it is fun, unless you have one night to learn all of it ;-)
[09:11] <kkathman> lol
[09:11] <mornfall> actually, it may even be fun in that case
[09:11] <mornfall> formal languages ain't hard
[09:13] <mornfall> and it's only pushdowns, no turing machines this time
[09:16] <Mars> Any Idea how can I edit my language file in superkaramba theme liquid weather 8.5?
[09:18] <ganymed> ciao thx
[09:35] <Mars> :/
[09:54] <dlausevic|breezy> hi people
[10:06] <Delvien> Are the breezy repos down?
[10:10] <thoreauputic> Delvien: the .au one isn't , at least
[10:11] <pipitas> hi -- can anybody tell me which Breezy package contains a file named "libXau.so.6" and where I can find the .deb containing it?
[10:12] <pipitas> (I've no Breezy nor any Debian available here)
[10:14] <qos> i added smb users with smbpasswd but when i start the share gui in the control center i cannot see any users which can be assigned. 
[10:15] <Delvien> thoreauputic any ETA on when they will be up
[10:16] <thoreauputic> Delvien: I don't know - my country's mirror seems to be OK - maybe try a different mirror
[10:32] <twinoatl> hi
[10:32] <twinoatl> is it possible to force apt to install a package without the dependencies ?
[10:34] <nalioth> twin "man apt-get" will answer your question
[10:36] <Delvien> http://pastebin.com/416481 anyone have an idea? 
[10:37] <DocTomoe> Delvien: how about just asking and telling us what your problem is?
[10:37] <penguinbrat> Hi all, I just installed KDE on breezy and I cant seem to find the control center in the menus - am I blind or is there a snaffu in the pacakges?
[10:37] <DocTomoe> and why do you do two sudos?
[10:37] <twinoatl> nalioth: my problem is that I want to use a program which depends on mysql-server and I want to use mysql-server-4.1 which removes mysql-server
[10:38] <Delvien>  Couldn't find package module-assistant
[10:38] <DocTomoe> Delvien: seems like your sources.list is corrupt.
[10:38] <nalioth> twinoatl: isnt -4.1 the same thing, just a different version?
[10:38] <Delvien> Because 2 sudos means im living dangerously
[10:38] <Delvien> Doctomoe how do i fix it ?
[10:39] <twinoatl> nalioth: it is a different package, the two are available
[10:39] <DocTomoe> sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list ... You should get a sane sources.list somewhere at ubuntulinux.org ...
[10:39] <penguinbrat> Delvien: you may want to try and remove any and all us prefixes from your repository list, if there are any....
[10:40] <Delvien> penguinbrat ? so remove everything that says US ? or only US
[10:41] <penguinbrat> Delvien: just the "us." if there are any, I just had a bitter time trying to install KDE from those mirros, and it turns out they are corrupt or something...
[10:41] <Delvien> penguinbrat i dont see anything say US
[10:42] <penguinbrat> Delvien: it was just a guess... why dont you like the 4.1 mysql server?
[10:42] <Delvien> what?
[10:43] <penguinbrat> Delvien: nm, getting confused on nicks =P
[11:06] <fatbrain> what should I get, gcj or javac?
[11:06] <fatbrain> eh, nevermind
[11:07] <nalioth> ubuntulog: tell fatbrain about javadeb
[11:07] <nalioth> ubotu: tell fatbrain about  javadeb
[11:11] <`Nomad> !wacom
[11:11] <`Nomad> oops.. what,s teh command?
[11:11] <ubotu> `Nomad: Do they come in packets of five?
[11:12] <fatbrain> what command do I use to install a package from a .deb file?
[11:12] <fatbrain> nalioth: btw, thanks :)
[11:14] <lars> @fatbrain: ??? do you whish to install foo.deb?
[11:14] <nalioth> sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[11:21] <lars> @fatbrain: if you use KDE you can install *.de-files by clicking them with the right mousekey and selecting Kubuntu Package Menu /Install Package... console + sudo dpkg -i file.deb works too
[11:22] <lars> uuups... I mean [...]  *.deb-files [...] 
[11:23] <fatbrain> lars: I'm ssh'ing, using terminal only.
[11:24] <lars> @fatbrain... then only dpkg -i file.deb will work... cause you are allready root... :-)
[11:24] <fatbrain> :)
[11:25] <lars> is kubuntu you`re first Linux-Distribution?
[11:26] <fatbrain> Anyone good with Java?
[11:26] <lars> not me
[11:31] <izut_> Hi there.
[11:31] <izut_> Do you know why Kmail's Tools->Import menu item is disabled?
[11:37] <propagandhi> fatbrain: what exactly do u need to know regarding java
[11:37] <fatbrain> I want to know if I need to export something before it *starts* to work. Currently I get classnotfoundexception (java.lang.StringBuilder from a bleh.jar I'm trying to execute)
[11:38] <propagandhi> fatbrain: is java in your path
[11:38] <propagandhi> and are you executing java -jar
[11:38] <nalioth> fatbrain: how many javas have you installed?
[11:39] <fatbrain> nalioth: let me check
[11:39] <fatbrain> I have the gcj and sun java5 installed
[11:40] <fatbrain> I have no java in any of my set vars or exports
[11:41] <fatbrain> java1.5, sorry
[11:41] <nalioth> ubotu: tell fatbrain about multijava
[11:42] <propagandhi> fatbrain: have u done sudo update-alternatives --config java
[11:42] <fatbrain> nalioth: Thanks
[11:42] <fatbrain> propagandhi: I just did
[11:42] <propagandhi> sorry
[11:42] <nalioth> ubotu: tell propagandhi about multijava
[11:52] <cryptom> hi, I have a strange problem, when I open the "system settings" and would like to enter "administrator mode", my password is no longer accepted, although I type it in correctly
[11:53] <cryptom> what can this be?
[11:53] <cryptom> I verified the correct spelling of the password in a terminal or office programm
[11:54] <LjL> dunno, works for me
[11:56] <propagandhi> cryptom have you set a root password or do you use sudo still?
[11:56] <cryptom> It worked for me, too, before... thats strange
[11:56] <cryptom> I still use sudo - which still works perfectly in the terminal!
[11:56] <propagandhi> cryptom: try kdesu kcontrol
[11:56] <propagandhi> at the terminal
[11:57] <cryptom> Error message: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported  and host-based authentication failed
[11:58] <propagandhi> bloody hell
[11:58] <LjL> i get the same error there
[11:59] <propagandhi> just try sudo kcontrol then
[11:59] <LjL> (DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed)
[11:59] <LjL> sudo kcontrol works for me
[11:59] <cryptom> propagandhi, strange: I typed dcopserver as root, then: kdesu kcontrol again, and it worked!
[12:00] <cryptom> but it still does not work when started from "normal users" system control
[12:00] <cryptom> and by the way: what does "ignore" do? When i click ignore, i get admin access?!
[12:00] <LjL> cryptom: does it also not work in the Control Center, or is that limited to System Settings?
[12:01] <propagandhi> cryptom: i havent had that problem, so I'm not sure, but you could always modify the control center menu item to be run as root as a quick and nasty solution
[12:02] <cryptom> LjL, kcontrol as normal user, then e.g. printer config, does not work either... if thats what you mean
[12:02] <LjL> that's what i meant, yea
[12:02] <cryptom> propagandhi, thats true, still strange that it worked yesterday