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| Burgundavia | salut robitaille | 05:25 |
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| Madpilot | hi all | 05:25 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: how's Montreal? | 05:25 |
| robitaille | Bonjour Burgundavia. So how's your french in montreal? :) | 05:25 |
| Burgundavia | robitaille, haven't spoken a word | 05:25 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, it is good | 05:25 |
| robitaille | geek | 05:25 |
| robitaille | get out a bit :) | 05:25 |
| === Burgundavia reminds everybody to look that doc specs and comment on them | ||
| robitaille | was the spec changed today? | 05:26 |
| Burgundavia | there are many doc specs | 05:26 |
| Burgundavia | betterwikidocs is unlikely to get a session | 05:26 |
| Burgundavia | unfortunately, you cannot currently like a spec to a team, otherwise it would be easy to see all the doc-team specs | 05:27 |
| robitaille | do they give out goodies at the conference? (still looking for a sticker for my laptop :)) | 05:27 |
| Burgundavia | yes, I can get you one | 05:27 |
| robitaille | thanks! | 05:27 |
| Burgundavia | they gave you losenge-shape Ubuntu: Linux for human being stickers | 05:28 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: I'll take a sticker too, if you can. Desktops need decoration too... | 05:28 |
| robitaille | thats's a good idea to be able to links specs to a team. I wonder if there is an open bug report about that | 05:28 |
| Burgundavia | sure | 05:28 |
| robitaille | https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-doc/+specs | 05:30 |
| robitaille | but is currently empty. I wonder if an admin can add to it | 05:30 |
| Burgundavia | I can retarget a spec, but taht is useless | 05:31 |
| Burgundavia | we have been using a lot of gobby here | 05:32 |
| Burgundavia | so I have been reporting bugs like made on gobby and launchapd | 05:32 |
| Burgundavia | https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/3812 | 05:32 |
| Burgundavia | that is the spec to group linker | 05:32 |
| Burgundavia | so, the doc specs are: | 05:33 |
| Burgundavia | https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+spec/desktop-online-help | 05:34 |
| Burgundavia | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-packaging-guide | 05:34 |
| Burgundavia | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/docteam-projects | 05:34 |
| Burgundavia | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/evaluate-gnome-user-guide | 05:34 |
| Burgundavia | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/documentation-marketing | 05:34 |
| Burgundavia | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/better-wiki-docs | 05:34 |
| Madpilot | I was just reading the UBZ Lighting Talks page on the wiki - looks like some good stuff | 05:36 |
| robitaille | are the videos up? we have been promised videos of the LT yesterday | 05:36 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, that is treenaks who is doing that | 05:37 |
| Burgundavia | no idea | 05:37 |
| Madpilot | http://video.ubuntu.com/ubz/ <-- UBZ vid | 05:37 |
| Burgundavia | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/improving-yelp | 05:38 |
| Madpilot | hmmm... +1 to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ExampleContent -- helps solve the "but can I do [x] in Ubuntu?" questions | 05:38 |
| Burgundavia | yed | 05:39 |
| Burgundavia | s | 05:39 |
| Madpilot | somebody should set up torrents for those video files - some of them are fairly large | 05:40 |
| Burgundavia | I am going to create a page for the DocTeam for dapper | 05:41 |
| robitaille | Madpilot, download them now before someone put it on planet and the bandwidth goes down... | 05:41 |
| Madpilot | robitaille: I'm grabbing a couple now - and if someone made a torrent I'd be happy to peer it... | 05:42 |
| Burgundavia | ok, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamPlansDapper lists relevant specs now | 05:52 |
| robitaille | Burgundavia, will scan the specs in that page later tonight and try to comment on the one I haven't commented before tomorrow morning (your time) | 05:57 |
| robitaille | maybe someone should send an email to the ML | 05:57 |
| Burgundavia | robitaille, I will do so | 06:00 |
| Burgundavia | email sent | 06:03 |
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| jsgotangco | hi all | 08:23 |
| robitaille | hi jsgotangco | 08:29 |
| jsgotangco | hey daniel how's it going? =) | 08:29 |
| robitaille | fine. question: if you go to https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-doc/+subscribedspecs | 08:30 |
| robitaille | can you subcribe to specs for the docteam LP | 08:30 |
| robitaille | since you are the admin of the LP team | 08:30 |
| jsgotangco | hold on i just noticed that link today | 08:33 |
| jsgotangco | (didn't really see it) | 08:33 |
| jsgotangco | robitaille, i'm not getting you, i should subscribe corey's bof specs on the ubuntu-doc team right? | 08:34 |
| robitaille | well, that would be the plan. Then we go to the LP docteam page, and would be able to see all the docteam related specs in one friendly page | 08:35 |
| jsgotangco | hmm i should add another person to admin the team as well if i'm asleep | 08:36 |
| robitaille | earlier Corey was trying to do this the other around, trying to link a spec to the team (instead of the team to the specs), and it didn't work: https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/3812 | 08:39 |
| robitaille | s/other/other way | 08:39 |
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| jsgotangco | hmmm | 09:09 |
| jsgotangco | http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/xmlpatch/index.html | 09:09 |
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| rob^ | hmm how exciting! | 11:14 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-doc:rob^] : Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Time to start thinking about Dapper | Projects on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects | SVN - https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos | Remember the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first | Read https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/inclusion-of-docs and comment before the 2nd | Docteam meeting this | ||
| rob^ | grr | 11:17 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-doc:rob^] : Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Projects on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects | SVN - https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos | Remember the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first | Read https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/inclusion-of-docs and comment before the 2nd | Docteam meeting this | ||
| rob^ | grr again | 11:17 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-doc:rob^] : Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Projects on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects | SVN - https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos | Remember the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first | Meeting moved to 2300UTC 4 Nov this week | ||
| rob^ | yay | 11:19 |
| Madpilot | 2300Z = 1500 local - I'll be at work... too bad | 11:20 |
| rob^ | normally 1400, but I'll be drunk on a boat in the middle of the ocean somewhere at that time | 11:21 |
| rob^ | that and a few others wanted to see it moved for this week to the new time | 11:21 |
| rob^ | also | 11:21 |
| Madpilot | have fun. 1400Z is 0700 local, so I usually miss those thru not being awake yet. Ah well... | 11:21 |
| rob^ | its not that bad, I miss out on CC meetings because I'm at work | 11:22 |
| Madpilot | has the time/date for the next CC mtg been announced? (was TBA last I checked) | 11:22 |
| rob^ | well this weeks was an extra one iirc | 11:23 |
| rob^ | asking now.. :) | 11:24 |
| Madpilot | still listed as TBA on CommunityCouncilAgenda | 11:26 |
| rob^ | yeah | 11:27 |
| rob^ | not decided yet | 11:27 |
| Madpilot | they're monthly or every two weeks? | 11:27 |
| rob^ | I think they are on whenever they decide to hold them | 11:28 |
| Madpilot | no regular sked like DocTeam meetings? | 11:29 |
| rob^ | not according to their wikipage | 11:29 |
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| Madpilot | ah well, I'll just keep an eye open, then, and subscribe to the CC-Agenda wiki page | 11:30 |
| mhz | moin | 11:30 |
| rob^ | hi mhz | 11:31 |
| mhz | hi rob^ | 11:31 |
| Madpilot | umm - what has happened to "Subscribe" as an option on wiki.u.c? | 11:32 |
| rob^ | they made some changes | 11:32 |
| Madpilot | my subscription list has vanished from my UserPref page too | 11:32 |
| rob^ | no trivial changes either | 11:32 |
| rob^ | all in a bid to make it faster | 11:32 |
| rob^ | it was the sending of emails that was clogging it | 11:32 |
| rob^ | hmm | 11:33 |
| rob^ | groups.google.com is down.. pretty odd | 11:33 |
| Madpilot | there's been trouble all over the net all evening here - one of the big US backbones has been having some trouble, it seems | 11:34 |
| mhz | Madpilot: Este wiki no tiene activado el procesamiento de e-mails. Contacta el propietario del wiki. Es el quien puede habilitar e-mails o eliminar el cono de "Suscripcin" | 11:34 |
| mhz | that measn 'email' is disabled from wikiconfig.py | 11:35 |
| mhz | means | 11:35 |
| rob^ | yep | 11:35 |
| Madpilot | mhz: thanks... too bad | 11:35 |
| mhz | Madpilot: maybe they are having trouble with email server? | 11:35 |
| Madpilot | Wonder if they can bring it back but disable the option to use * to subscribe to the whole wiki? | 11:35 |
| mhz | hmmmm | 11:36 |
| mhz | maybe aty a level code yes, but I do not rememeber any option like that to pass it to the wikiconfig.py | 11:36 |
| mhz | aty = at | 11:36 |
| rob^ | the best place to ask is #moin | 11:37 |
| Madpilot | yeah. Some warning would have been nice... | 11:37 |
| rob^ | yep | 11:37 |
| mhz | BTW, just to show off a little... I translate the es.po file in MoinMoin, so if you find any error, please contact me :) | 11:38 |
| mhz | which reminds me that i am late for 1.5 relase translation :( | 11:38 |
| Madpilot | I can't read enough Spanish to tell a good translation from an awful one, I'm afraid ;) | 11:38 |
| mhz | np | 11:39 |
| rob^ | I can't read spanish.. | 11:39 |
| rob^ | at all | 11:39 |
| rob^ | :) | 11:39 |
| rob^ | I can read aussie english and translate into normal english though! | 11:39 |
| === mhz is relief he can put anu stupidity there in spanish and these doc guys won't notice :D | ||
| mhz | hehehe | 11:40 |
| mhz | aussie english needs to be rendered with many resources in my head | 11:40 |
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| mhz | anywasy guys.. i'm off to a very important important gov. seminar in which I hope I can have the chance to bring the Edubuntu subject to the floor | 11:41 |
| rob^ | cool | 11:42 |
| rob^ | have fun! | 11:42 |
| Madpilot | mhz: best of luck! | 11:42 |
| mhz | see ya guys, and have a nice day (dai, doi, die, etc) | 11:42 |
| Madpilot | I need to crash, myself. later, all | 11:42 |
| mhz | thx | 11:42 |
| rob^ | bye | 11:42 |
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| jjesse | is there a reason "subscribe" is missing for me on wiki pages | 03:01 |
| judax | morning | 03:01 |
| jjesse | morning judax | 03:04 |
| judax | jjesse: Hi | 03:04 |
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| Burgundavia | salut jsgotangco | 03:55 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamPlansDapper | 03:56 |
| jsgotangco | hey Burgundavia how's UBZ? | 03:56 |
| Burgundavia | it is good | 03:56 |
| Burgundavia | that wiki page lists useful and cool specs | 03:56 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia: can i add you as admin for ubuntu-doc in lp or should i assign other person? | 03:56 |
| Burgundavia | that is fine | 03:57 |
| Burgundavia | I do enough stuff in LP anyway | 03:57 |
| jsgotangco | (so that someone in the other timezone can do the lp stuff while i'm asleep) | 03:57 |
| jjesse | is there a reason i can't subscribe to taht page? DocteamPlansDapper | 03:57 |
| Burgundavia | jjesse, subscriptions have been turned off for performance reasons | 03:58 |
| jjesse | Burgundavia: ah cause i love notifications when pages are updated | 03:58 |
| jsgotangco | (sorry if I haven't been doing much i have been adjusting to a new job) | 03:58 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia: can we transfer the quick tour as ubuntu-marketing responsibility? | 03:59 |
| Burgundavia | absolutely | 03:59 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia: Ubuntu Packaging Guide, maybe can you coordinate with ajmitch about the IntroDeveloperDocs before in UDU | 04:02 |
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| jsgotangco | Burgundavia: Unfrgiven has made a doc for that (for review) | 04:02 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, IntroDeveloperDocs are the UbuntuPackagingGuide | 04:02 |
| jsgotangco | right | 04:02 |
| Burgundavia | I just called it something different | 04:03 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 04:03 |
| jsgotangco | some of the parts were derived from the NM guide | 04:03 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 04:03 |
| Burgundavia | what license is the NM guide done under? | 04:03 |
| jsgotangco | mm i haven't checked when i last read it | 04:04 |
| jsgotangco | probabl gfdl | 04:04 |
| Burgundavia | in which case it is about to get relicensed | 04:04 |
| jsgotangco | henrik is moving the u.c site to moin, collaboration would be much possible in a month or so | 04:05 |
| Burgundavia | I see | 04:05 |
| jsgotangco | there was a massive plone failure yesterday, we helped him move some stuff | 04:05 |
| Burgundavia | oh fun | 04:06 |
| jsgotangco | i want to ask though, what is your vision of start.ubuntu.com? a static page or will the computer need to connect to the net | 04:06 |
| Burgundavia | start.ubuntu.com will literally be at start.ubuntu.com | 04:07 |
| Burgundavia | so yes, the computer will need to connect to the net | 04:07 |
| Burgundavia | the basic principle is that when someone opens a web browser, they are likely to actually be going to the web and thus have internet access | 04:08 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm | 04:10 |
| Burgundavia | and the about ubuntu will soon be an actual program | 04:10 |
| Burgundavia | I guess we need to decide if we want to maintain the current about ubuntu and ship that as well | 04:10 |
| jsgotangco | a pygtk app i hope | 04:11 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 04:11 |
| mpt | You know pygtk, jsgotangco? | 04:11 |
| jsgotangco | i've had experience with it at work, although not extensive | 04:11 |
| jjesse | can i ask why the decision to change from a static webpage to a web site? | 04:13 |
| jjesse | for example, I am a dial up users so i don't have a dedciated net connection at home | 04:14 |
| Burgundavia | jjesse, because static is crap | 04:14 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia: that's not a good answer | 04:14 |
| Burgundavia | jjesse, almost every other browser in existance has a dynamic start page | 04:14 |
| jjesse | however i use FF to connect to some local apps, why would i want to have to open FF and then stop the page from trying to connect | 04:14 |
| jsgotangco | CentOS and RHEL still use static start pages | 04:14 |
| jjesse | i have the same frustrations waiting for the time sync check to time out upon boot up | 04:15 |
| Burgundavia | jjesse, the time sync thing is probably going to be dealt with for dapper | 04:15 |
| jjesse | konq doesn't have a dynamic web page | 04:15 |
| Burgundavia | in kubuntu? | 04:15 |
| jjesse | nod | 04:15 |
| Burgundavia | yes, that is because we also develop that | 04:15 |
| Burgundavia | not really a useful thing to compare to | 04:15 |
| jjesse | i open up konq and it goes to /home/jjesse | 04:16 |
| jsgotangco | actually the konq start page is good | 04:16 |
| jsgotangco | (its no kubuntu start page btw) | 04:16 |
| jjesse | agreed jsgotangco | 04:16 |
| jjesse | remember not everyone has a broadband connection | 04:16 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 04:17 |
| judax | jjesse: if you open with web profile though it goes to a static page about konq features | 04:17 |
| jjesse | nod judax | 04:17 |
| jsgotangco | i'd still suggest a static page but one that isn't long enough to scroll | 04:17 |
| Burgundavia | there are some minor losses for changing to a dynamic page, but I think the wins are worth it | 04:17 |
| jjesse | explain cause i ahven't seen any | 04:17 |
| mpt | jjesse, if you usually use a Web browser to do offline things, you are in a very small minority, but that's fine, just set your home page to about:blank or whatever. | 04:17 |
| jsgotangco | i'd still say konq done it right | 04:18 |
| Burgundavia | we can change the dynamic page without having to ship a new package to all users | 04:18 |
| jsgotangco | (although ff is pretty limited as a web browser so comparisons won't matter) | 04:19 |
| jsgotangco | jjesse: i was surprised to see the kquickguide and about kubuntu in konq | 04:20 |
| jjesse | i wasnt :) | 04:20 |
| jjesse | so where did this discussion end? | 04:29 |
| judax | think it just ended | 04:29 |
| jsgotangco | stalemate | 04:29 |
| jsgotangco | or rather we got creamed | 04:29 |
| Burgundavia | jeff waugh was at the meeting, so likely it won | 04:29 |
| Burgundavia | t change | 04:29 |
| jjesse | i guess i just don't understand the need for dynamic start page | 04:29 |
| jsgotangco | well ie has a dynamic start page | 04:30 |
| jsgotangco | so do opera | 04:30 |
| jjesse | grin i force the start page at ie at work via group policy so its not a dynamic page :) | 04:34 |
| judax | jjesse: you are a rebel | 04:34 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 04:35 |
| jjesse | judax: i force a lot of stuff via group policy at work, start page, screen saver, background, desktop icons, whocan save things to the desktop :) | 04:35 |
| jjesse | i'm a bastard that way | 04:36 |
| judax | I hear ya, else it will spiral out of control and you will never get to go home | 04:36 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 04:36 |
| judax | :0 | 04:36 |
| jjesse | i just wish there was group policy stuff for linux | 04:37 |
| jsgotangco | that would be neat | 04:39 |
| jsgotangco | i really don't find adept that intuitive | 04:40 |
| jjesse | jsgotangco: i would rather use apt-get from the command line | 04:40 |
| jjesse | jsgotangco: did you look at the guide that judax did? | 04:41 |
| judax | you do kind of need to have used something else (synaptic, etc.) to get started quickly | 04:41 |
| judax | otherwise, I can see it being a bit confusing to start | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | yes its actually good but my problem is how adept's ui design | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | the filter is actually good but i don't think it should be placed at the start | 04:42 |
| judax | I really like the arrow design for properties | 04:42 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 04:42 |
| jsgotangco | that's a good one | 04:42 |
| jjesse | i do like the preview function | 04:42 |
| jsgotangco | maybe the search filters just need rewording? | 04:42 |
| jjesse | mornfall usually hangs out on #kubuntu and #kubuntu-devel (he wrote adept) | 04:43 |
| jsgotangco | ahh k | 04:43 |
| jsgotangco | i think its also logical to merge adept and adept-updater | 04:43 |
| jsgotangco | or make adept-update run at the start | 04:44 |
| jsgotangco | as a background process | 04:44 |
| judax | yes, but wasn't the goal there to have an update tool like ubuntu, but it didn't get done | 04:44 |
| judax | ? | 04:44 |
| jsgotangco | what i find it strange though | 04:44 |
| jsgotangco | is that i have to run adept twice to make it invoke kdesu | 04:45 |
| judax | hmm | 04:45 |
| judax | it does not do that for me | 04:45 |
| jsgotangco | i can replicate it | 04:45 |
| jsgotangco | adept-update is actually good | 04:46 |
| judax | I used to only have kdesu trouble with kate, but that seems to have gone away | 04:46 |
| jsgotangco | the network setting bug is really annoying | 04:46 |
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| jjesse | works fine w/ me when i launch adept from the command line via kdesu adept or when i go K Menu System Adept | 04:47 |
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| jdub | jjesse: group policy stuff -> look deeper into gconf :) | 05:07 |
| jjesse | gconf? will have to | 05:08 |
| jjesse | is there a kde version of it? | 05:09 |
| jsgotangco | i don't think jdub is the best person to ask that :) | 05:10 |
| jdub | jjesse: gconf is the gnome configuration system | 05:13 |
| jjesse | yeah i saw that from the web page, but what if i don't use gnome, is there something like that for kde? | 05:14 |
| jdub | no, they work quite differently | 05:14 |
| jdub | it was architected specifically for this kind of use case | 05:14 |
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| bhuvan | w.u.c/DocteamProjects. can we provide status/preview links to (doc.u.c/..) if its missing ? | 05:26 |
| jsgotangco | well the page is terribly outdated atm | 05:26 |
| Burgundavia | bhuvan, that going to be changed after the meeting on Firday | 05:27 |
| bhuvan | ok | 05:27 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 05:27 |
| bhuvan | oh, ok | 05:27 |
| jjesse | what time again is the meeting on friday? | 05:27 |
| Burgundavia | 2300 utc | 05:27 |
| jsgotangco | since there's no svn activity at the moment the page isn't going to be too helpful | 05:27 |
| jjesse | dang will be at in-laws | 05:27 |
| jsgotangco | 2300? | 05:27 |
| jsgotangco | i thought 14 | 05:27 |
| jsgotangco | 23 is for next next week | 05:27 |
| jjesse | 14 will be able to make it | 05:28 |
| Burgundavia | not according to the recent emails | 05:28 |
| Burgundavia | I can make either | 05:28 |
| bhuvan | DocteamMeetingAgenda says 2300utc! | 05:29 |
| jsgotangco | what the heck i thought it was for next meeting | 05:29 |
| bhuvan | seems we have been discussing in our mailing list about having it at 1400utc, but it's not finalized! | 05:30 |
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| jsgotangco | night | 05:36 |
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| Burgundavia | mdke, ping | 09:27 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, never mind | 09:35 |
| mdke | Burgundavia, :) | 09:50 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, riddel was asking me about translations of kubuntu docs I was pleading ignorance | 09:51 |
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| mdke | aha | 09:52 |
| mdke | can I help? | 09:52 |
| Burgundavia | I think he was wondering whether we used straight gettext or kde-hacked gettext | 09:53 |
| mdke | normal i guess | 09:53 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 09:53 |
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