=== judax [n=judax@adsl-68-91-193-252.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-47-165.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Belutz [n=Belutz@203.130.213.44] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.241] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.241] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.241] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.241] has joined #ubuntu-doc === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #ubuntu-doc === linuxboy [n=anon@yoda.frogfoot.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@66.103.220.222] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-51-87.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:25] salut robitaille [05:25] hi all [05:25] Burgundavia: how's Montreal? [05:25] Bonjour Burgundavia. So how's your french in montreal? :) [05:25] robitaille, haven't spoken a word [05:25] Madpilot, it is good [05:25] geek [05:25] get out a bit :) === Burgundavia reminds everybody to look that doc specs and comment on them [05:26] was the spec changed today? [05:26] there are many doc specs [05:26] betterwikidocs is unlikely to get a session [05:27] unfortunately, you cannot currently like a spec to a team, otherwise it would be easy to see all the doc-team specs [05:27] do they give out goodies at the conference? (still looking for a sticker for my laptop :)) [05:27] yes, I can get you one [05:27] thanks! [05:28] they gave you losenge-shape Ubuntu: Linux for human being stickers [05:28] Burgundavia: I'll take a sticker too, if you can. Desktops need decoration too... [05:28] thats's a good idea to be able to links specs to a team. I wonder if there is an open bug report about that [05:28] sure [05:30] https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-doc/+specs [05:30] but is currently empty. I wonder if an admin can add to it [05:31] I can retarget a spec, but taht is useless [05:32] we have been using a lot of gobby here [05:32] so I have been reporting bugs like made on gobby and launchapd [05:32] https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/3812 [05:32] that is the spec to group linker [05:33] so, the doc specs are: [05:34] https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+spec/desktop-online-help [05:34] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-packaging-guide [05:34] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/docteam-projects [05:34] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/evaluate-gnome-user-guide [05:34] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/documentation-marketing [05:34] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/better-wiki-docs [05:36] I was just reading the UBZ Lighting Talks page on the wiki - looks like some good stuff [05:36] are the videos up? we have been promised videos of the LT yesterday [05:37] hmm, that is treenaks who is doing that [05:37] no idea [05:37] http://video.ubuntu.com/ubz/ <-- UBZ vid [05:38] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/improving-yelp [05:38] hmmm... +1 to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ExampleContent -- helps solve the "but can I do [x] in Ubuntu?" questions [05:39] yed [05:39] s [05:40] somebody should set up torrents for those video files - some of them are fairly large [05:41] I am going to create a page for the DocTeam for dapper [05:41] Madpilot, download them now before someone put it on planet and the bandwidth goes down... [05:42] robitaille: I'm grabbing a couple now - and if someone made a torrent I'd be happy to peer it... [05:52] ok, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamPlansDapper lists relevant specs now [05:57] Burgundavia, will scan the specs in that page later tonight and try to comment on the one I haven't commented before tomorrow morning (your time) [05:57] maybe someone should send an email to the ML [06:00] robitaille, I will do so [06:03] email sent === judax [n=judax@adsl-68-91-193-252.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === linuxboy [n=anon@yoda.frogfoot.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@66.103.220.200] has joined #ubuntu-doc === laszlok [n=laszlo@134.117.187.134] has joined #ubuntu-doc === laszlok [n=laszlo@134.117.187.134] has joined #ubuntu-doc === laszlok [n=laszlo@134.117.187.134] has joined #ubuntu-doc === laszlok [n=laszlo@134.117.187.134] has joined #ubuntu-doc === laszlok [n=laszlo@134.117.187.134] has joined #ubuntu-doc === laszlok [n=laszlo@134.117.187.134] has joined #ubuntu-doc === laszlok [n=laszlo@134.117.187.134] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:23] hi all [08:29] hi jsgotangco [08:29] hey daniel how's it going? =) [08:30] fine. question: if you go to https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-doc/+subscribedspecs [08:30] can you subcribe to specs for the docteam LP [08:30] since you are the admin of the LP team [08:33] hold on i just noticed that link today [08:33] (didn't really see it) [08:34] robitaille, i'm not getting you, i should subscribe corey's bof specs on the ubuntu-doc team right? [08:35] well, that would be the plan. Then we go to the LP docteam page, and would be able to see all the docteam related specs in one friendly page [08:36] hmm i should add another person to admin the team as well if i'm asleep [08:39] earlier Corey was trying to do this the other around, trying to link a spec to the team (instead of the team to the specs), and it didn't work: https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/3812 [08:39] s/other/other way === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:09] hmmm [09:09] http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/xmlpatch/index.html === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvolt2ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=bburger@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:14] hmm how exciting! === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ..[topic/#ubuntu-doc:rob^] : Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Time to start thinking about Dapper | Projects on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects | SVN - https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos | Remember the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first | Read https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/inclusion-of-docs and comment before the 2nd | Docteam meeting this [11:17] grr === ..[topic/#ubuntu-doc:rob^] : Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Projects on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects | SVN - https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos | Remember the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first | Read https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/inclusion-of-docs and comment before the 2nd | Docteam meeting this [11:17] grr again === ..[topic/#ubuntu-doc:rob^] : Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Projects on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects | SVN - https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos | Remember the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first | Meeting moved to 2300UTC 4 Nov this week [11:19] yay [11:20] 2300Z = 1500 local - I'll be at work... too bad [11:21] normally 1400, but I'll be drunk on a boat in the middle of the ocean somewhere at that time [11:21] that and a few others wanted to see it moved for this week to the new time [11:21] also [11:21] have fun. 1400Z is 0700 local, so I usually miss those thru not being awake yet. Ah well... [11:22] its not that bad, I miss out on CC meetings because I'm at work [11:22] has the time/date for the next CC mtg been announced? (was TBA last I checked) [11:23] well this weeks was an extra one iirc [11:24] asking now.. :) [11:26] still listed as TBA on CommunityCouncilAgenda [11:27] yeah [11:27] not decided yet [11:27] they're monthly or every two weeks? [11:28] I think they are on whenever they decide to hold them [11:29] no regular sked like DocTeam meetings? [11:29] not according to their wikipage === mhz [n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:30] ah well, I'll just keep an eye open, then, and subscribe to the CC-Agenda wiki page [11:30] moin [11:31] hi mhz [11:31] hi rob^ [11:32] umm - what has happened to "Subscribe" as an option on wiki.u.c? [11:32] they made some changes [11:32] my subscription list has vanished from my UserPref page too [11:32] no trivial changes either [11:32] all in a bid to make it faster [11:32] it was the sending of emails that was clogging it [11:33] hmm [11:33] groups.google.com is down.. pretty odd [11:34] there's been trouble all over the net all evening here - one of the big US backbones has been having some trouble, it seems [11:34] Madpilot: Este wiki no tiene activado el procesamiento de e-mails. Contacta el propietario del wiki. Es el quien puede habilitar e-mails o eliminar el cono de "Suscripcin" [11:35] that measn 'email' is disabled from wikiconfig.py [11:35] means [11:35] yep [11:35] mhz: thanks... too bad [11:35] Madpilot: maybe they are having trouble with email server? [11:35] Wonder if they can bring it back but disable the option to use * to subscribe to the whole wiki? [11:36] hmmmm [11:36] maybe aty a level code yes, but I do not rememeber any option like that to pass it to the wikiconfig.py [11:36] aty = at [11:37] the best place to ask is #moin [11:37] yeah. Some warning would have been nice... [11:37] yep [11:38] BTW, just to show off a little... I translate the es.po file in MoinMoin, so if you find any error, please contact me :) [11:38] which reminds me that i am late for 1.5 relase translation :( [11:38] I can't read enough Spanish to tell a good translation from an awful one, I'm afraid ;) [11:39] np [11:39] I can't read spanish.. [11:39] at all [11:39] :) [11:39] I can read aussie english and translate into normal english though! === mhz is relief he can put anu stupidity there in spanish and these doc guys won't notice :D [11:40] hehehe [11:40] aussie english needs to be rendered with many resources in my head === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp219-180.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:41] anywasy guys.. i'm off to a very important important gov. seminar in which I hope I can have the chance to bring the Edubuntu subject to the floor [11:42] cool [11:42] have fun! [11:42] mhz: best of luck! [11:42] see ya guys, and have a nice day (dai, doi, die, etc) [11:42] I need to crash, myself. later, all [11:42] thx [11:42] bye === mhz [n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving] === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === laszlok [n=laszlo@134.117.187.134] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp219-180.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico_ [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === laszlok [n=laszlo@134.117.187.134] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.241] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaise1 [n=Kaiser@ppp132-200.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === judax [n=judax@adsl-68-91-193-252.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:01] is there a reason "subscribe" is missing for me on wiki pages [03:01] morning [03:04] morning judax [03:04] jjesse: Hi === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp209-90.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@59.92.46.223] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Belutz [n=Belutz@203.130.213.44] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:55] salut jsgotangco [03:56] jsgotangco, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamPlansDapper [03:56] hey Burgundavia how's UBZ? [03:56] it is good [03:56] that wiki page lists useful and cool specs [03:56] Burgundavia: can i add you as admin for ubuntu-doc in lp or should i assign other person? [03:57] that is fine [03:57] I do enough stuff in LP anyway [03:57] (so that someone in the other timezone can do the lp stuff while i'm asleep) [03:57] is there a reason i can't subscribe to taht page? DocteamPlansDapper [03:58] jjesse, subscriptions have been turned off for performance reasons [03:58] Burgundavia: ah cause i love notifications when pages are updated [03:58] (sorry if I haven't been doing much i have been adjusting to a new job) [03:59] Burgundavia: can we transfer the quick tour as ubuntu-marketing responsibility? [03:59] absolutely [04:02] Burgundavia: Ubuntu Packaging Guide, maybe can you coordinate with ajmitch about the IntroDeveloperDocs before in UDU === Kamping_Kaise1 [n=Kaiser@ppp203-64.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:02] Burgundavia: Unfrgiven has made a doc for that (for review) [04:02] jsgotangco, IntroDeveloperDocs are the UbuntuPackagingGuide [04:02] right [04:03] I just called it something different [04:03] ahhh [04:03] some of the parts were derived from the NM guide [04:03] yes [04:03] what license is the NM guide done under? [04:04] mm i haven't checked when i last read it [04:04] probabl gfdl [04:04] in which case it is about to get relicensed [04:05] henrik is moving the u.c site to moin, collaboration would be much possible in a month or so [04:05] I see [04:05] there was a massive plone failure yesterday, we helped him move some stuff [04:06] oh fun [04:06] i want to ask though, what is your vision of start.ubuntu.com? a static page or will the computer need to connect to the net [04:07] start.ubuntu.com will literally be at start.ubuntu.com [04:07] so yes, the computer will need to connect to the net [04:08] the basic principle is that when someone opens a web browser, they are likely to actually be going to the web and thus have internet access [04:10] hmmm [04:10] and the about ubuntu will soon be an actual program [04:10] I guess we need to decide if we want to maintain the current about ubuntu and ship that as well [04:11] a pygtk app i hope [04:11] yes [04:11] You know pygtk, jsgotangco? [04:11] i've had experience with it at work, although not extensive [04:13] can i ask why the decision to change from a static webpage to a web site? [04:14] for example, I am a dial up users so i don't have a dedciated net connection at home [04:14] jjesse, because static is crap [04:14] Burgundavia: that's not a good answer [04:14] jjesse, almost every other browser in existance has a dynamic start page [04:14] however i use FF to connect to some local apps, why would i want to have to open FF and then stop the page from trying to connect [04:14] CentOS and RHEL still use static start pages [04:15] i have the same frustrations waiting for the time sync check to time out upon boot up [04:15] jjesse, the time sync thing is probably going to be dealt with for dapper [04:15] konq doesn't have a dynamic web page [04:15] in kubuntu? [04:15] nod [04:15] yes, that is because we also develop that [04:15] not really a useful thing to compare to [04:16] i open up konq and it goes to /home/jjesse [04:16] actually the konq start page is good [04:16] (its no kubuntu start page btw) [04:16] agreed jsgotangco [04:16] remember not everyone has a broadband connection [04:17] yes [04:17] jjesse: if you open with web profile though it goes to a static page about konq features [04:17] nod judax [04:17] i'd still suggest a static page but one that isn't long enough to scroll [04:17] there are some minor losses for changing to a dynamic page, but I think the wins are worth it [04:17] explain cause i ahven't seen any [04:17] jjesse, if you usually use a Web browser to do offline things, you are in a very small minority, but that's fine, just set your home page to about:blank or whatever. [04:18] i'd still say konq done it right [04:18] we can change the dynamic page without having to ship a new package to all users [04:19] (although ff is pretty limited as a web browser so comparisons won't matter) [04:20] jjesse: i was surprised to see the kquickguide and about kubuntu in konq [04:20] i wasnt :) [04:29] so where did this discussion end? [04:29] think it just ended [04:29] stalemate [04:29] or rather we got creamed [04:29] jeff waugh was at the meeting, so likely it won [04:29] t change [04:29] i guess i just don't understand the need for dynamic start page [04:30] well ie has a dynamic start page [04:30] so do opera [04:34] grin i force the start page at ie at work via group policy so its not a dynamic page :) [04:34] jjesse: you are a rebel [04:35] hehe [04:35] judax: i force a lot of stuff via group policy at work, start page, screen saver, background, desktop icons, whocan save things to the desktop :) [04:36] i'm a bastard that way [04:36] I hear ya, else it will spiral out of control and you will never get to go home [04:36] yes [04:36] :0 [04:37] i just wish there was group policy stuff for linux [04:39] that would be neat [04:40] i really don't find adept that intuitive [04:40] jsgotangco: i would rather use apt-get from the command line [04:41] jsgotangco: did you look at the guide that judax did? [04:41] you do kind of need to have used something else (synaptic, etc.) to get started quickly [04:41] otherwise, I can see it being a bit confusing to start [04:41] yes its actually good but my problem is how adept's ui design [04:42] the filter is actually good but i don't think it should be placed at the start [04:42] I really like the arrow design for properties [04:42] yes [04:42] that's a good one [04:42] i do like the preview function [04:42] maybe the search filters just need rewording? [04:43] mornfall usually hangs out on #kubuntu and #kubuntu-devel (he wrote adept) [04:43] ahh k [04:43] i think its also logical to merge adept and adept-updater [04:44] or make adept-update run at the start [04:44] as a background process [04:44] yes, but wasn't the goal there to have an update tool like ubuntu, but it didn't get done [04:44] ? [04:44] what i find it strange though [04:45] is that i have to run adept twice to make it invoke kdesu [04:45] hmm [04:45] it does not do that for me [04:45] i can replicate it [04:46] adept-update is actually good [04:46] I used to only have kdesu trouble with kate, but that seems to have gone away [04:46] the network setting bug is really annoying === judax runs to get more coffee [04:47] works fine w/ me when i launch adept from the command line via kdesu adept or when i go K Menu System Adept === judax has a meeting to attend [05:07] jjesse: group policy stuff -> look deeper into gconf :) [05:08] gconf? will have to [05:09] is there a kde version of it? [05:10] i don't think jdub is the best person to ask that :) [05:13] jjesse: gconf is the gnome configuration system [05:14] yeah i saw that from the web page, but what if i don't use gnome, is there something like that for kde? [05:14] no, they work quite differently [05:14] it was architected specifically for this kind of use case === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@59.92.35.242] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:26] w.u.c/DocteamProjects. can we provide status/preview links to (doc.u.c/..) if its missing ? [05:26] well the page is terribly outdated atm [05:27] bhuvan, that going to be changed after the meeting on Firday [05:27] ok [05:27] yes [05:27] oh, ok [05:27] what time again is the meeting on friday? [05:27] 2300 utc [05:27] since there's no svn activity at the moment the page isn't going to be too helpful [05:27] dang will be at in-laws [05:27] 2300? [05:27] i thought 14 [05:27] 23 is for next next week [05:28] 14 will be able to make it [05:28] not according to the recent emails [05:28] I can make either [05:29] DocteamMeetingAgenda says 2300utc! [05:29] what the heck i thought it was for next meeting [05:30] seems we have been discussing in our mailing list about having it at 1400utc, but it's not finalized! === mpt [n=mpt@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:36] night === mpt [n=mpt@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === the--dud [n=moo@182.80-203-117.nextgentel.com] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.247] has joined #ubuntu-doc === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === laszlok [n=laszlo@134.117.187.134] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.247] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-34-221.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.241] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.209.110] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@66.103.220.203] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:27] mdke, ping [09:35] mdke, never mind [09:50] Burgundavia, :) [09:51] mdke, riddel was asking me about translations of kubuntu docs I was pleading ignorance === mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.241] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:52] aha [09:52] can I help? 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