[05:25] <Burgundavia> salut robitaille 
[05:25] <Madpilot> hi all
[05:25] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: how's Montreal?
[05:25] <robitaille> Bonjour Burgundavia.  So how's your french in montreal? :)
[05:25] <Burgundavia> robitaille, haven't spoken a word
[05:25] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, it is good
[05:25] <robitaille> geek
[05:25] <robitaille> get out a bit :)
[05:26] <robitaille> was the spec changed today?
[05:26] <Burgundavia> there are many doc specs
[05:26] <Burgundavia> betterwikidocs is unlikely to get a session
[05:27] <Burgundavia> unfortunately, you cannot currently like a spec to a team, otherwise it would be easy to see all the doc-team specs
[05:27] <robitaille> do they give out goodies at the conference?  (still looking for a sticker for my laptop :))
[05:27] <Burgundavia> yes, I can get you one
[05:27] <robitaille> thanks!
[05:28] <Burgundavia> they gave you losenge-shape Ubuntu: Linux for human being stickers
[05:28] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: I'll take a sticker too, if you can. Desktops need decoration too...
[05:28] <robitaille> thats's a good idea to be able to links specs to a team.    I wonder if there is an open bug report about that
[05:28] <Burgundavia> sure
[05:30] <robitaille> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-doc/+specs
[05:30] <robitaille> but is currently empty.  I wonder if an admin can add to it
[05:31] <Burgundavia> I can retarget a spec, but taht is useless
[05:32] <Burgundavia> we have been using a lot of gobby here
[05:32] <Burgundavia> so I have been reporting bugs like made on gobby and launchapd
[05:32] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/3812
[05:32] <Burgundavia> that is the spec to group linker
[05:33] <Burgundavia> so, the doc specs are:
[05:34] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+spec/desktop-online-help
[05:34] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-packaging-guide
[05:34] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/docteam-projects
[05:34] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/evaluate-gnome-user-guide
[05:34] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/documentation-marketing
[05:34] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/better-wiki-docs
[05:36] <Madpilot> I was just reading the UBZ Lighting Talks page on the wiki - looks like some good stuff
[05:36] <robitaille> are the videos up?  we have been promised videos of the LT yesterday
[05:37] <Burgundavia> hmm, that is treenaks who is doing that
[05:37] <Burgundavia> no idea
[05:37] <Madpilot> http://video.ubuntu.com/ubz/  <-- UBZ vid
[05:38] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/improving-yelp
[05:38] <Madpilot> hmmm... +1 to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ExampleContent -- helps solve the "but can I do [x]  in Ubuntu?" questions
[05:39] <Burgundavia> yed
[05:39] <Burgundavia> s
[05:40] <Madpilot> somebody should set up torrents for those video files - some of them are fairly large
[05:41] <Burgundavia> I am going to create a page for the DocTeam for dapper
[05:41] <robitaille> Madpilot,  download them now before someone put it on planet and the bandwidth goes down...
[05:42] <Madpilot> robitaille: I'm grabbing a couple now - and if someone made a torrent I'd be happy to peer it...
[05:52] <Burgundavia> ok, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamPlansDapper lists relevant specs now
[05:57] <robitaille> Burgundavia,  will scan the specs in that page later tonight and try to comment on the one I haven't commented before tomorrow morning (your time)
[05:57] <robitaille> maybe someone should send an email to the ML
[06:00] <Burgundavia> robitaille, I will do so
[06:03] <Burgundavia> email sent
[08:23] <jsgotangco> hi all
[08:29] <robitaille> hi jsgotangco 
[08:29] <jsgotangco> hey daniel how's it going? =)
[08:30] <robitaille> fine.   question: if you go to https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-doc/+subscribedspecs
[08:30] <robitaille> can you subcribe to specs for the docteam LP 
[08:30] <robitaille> since you are the admin of the LP team
[08:33] <jsgotangco> hold on i just noticed that link today
[08:33] <jsgotangco> (didn't really see it)
[08:34] <jsgotangco> robitaille, i'm not getting you, i should subscribe corey's bof specs on the ubuntu-doc team right?
[08:35] <robitaille> well, that would be the plan.  Then we go to the LP docteam page, and would be able to see all the docteam related specs in one friendly page
[08:36] <jsgotangco> hmm i should add another person to admin the team as well if i'm asleep
[08:39] <robitaille> earlier Corey was trying to do this the other around, trying to link a spec to the team (instead of the team to the specs), and it didn't work: https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/3812 
[08:39] <robitaille> s/other/other way
[09:09] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[09:09] <jsgotangco> http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/xmlpatch/index.html
[11:14] <rob^> hmm how exciting!
[11:17] <rob^> grr
[11:17] <rob^> grr again
[11:19] <rob^> yay
[11:20] <Madpilot> 2300Z = 1500 local - I'll be at work... too bad
[11:21] <rob^> normally 1400, but I'll be drunk on a boat in the middle of the ocean somewhere at that time
[11:21] <rob^> that and a few others wanted to see it moved for this week to the new time
[11:21] <rob^> also
[11:21] <Madpilot> have fun. 1400Z is 0700 local, so I usually miss those thru not being awake yet. Ah well...
[11:22] <rob^> its not that bad, I miss out on CC meetings because I'm at work
[11:22] <Madpilot> has the time/date for the next CC mtg been announced? (was TBA last I checked)
[11:23] <rob^> well this weeks was an extra one iirc
[11:24] <rob^> asking now.. :)
[11:26] <Madpilot> still listed as TBA on CommunityCouncilAgenda
[11:27] <rob^> yeah
[11:27] <rob^> not decided yet
[11:27] <Madpilot> they're monthly or every two weeks?
[11:28] <rob^> I think they are on whenever they decide to hold them
[11:29] <Madpilot> no regular sked like DocTeam meetings?
[11:29] <rob^> not according to their wikipage
[11:30] <Madpilot> ah well, I'll just keep an eye open, then, and subscribe to the CC-Agenda wiki page
[11:30] <mhz> moin
[11:31] <rob^> hi mhz 
[11:31] <mhz> hi rob^ 
[11:32] <Madpilot> umm - what has happened to "Subscribe" as an option on wiki.u.c?
[11:32] <rob^> they made some changes
[11:32] <Madpilot> my subscription list has vanished from my UserPref page too
[11:32] <rob^> no trivial changes either
[11:32] <rob^> all in a bid to make it faster
[11:32] <rob^> it was the sending of emails that was clogging it
[11:33] <rob^> hmm
[11:33] <rob^> groups.google.com is down.. pretty odd
[11:34] <Madpilot> there's been trouble all over the net all evening here - one of the big US backbones has been having some trouble, it seems
[11:34] <mhz> Madpilot: Este wiki no tiene activado el procesamiento de e-mails. Contacta el propietario del wiki. Es el quien puede habilitar e-mails o eliminar el cono de "Suscripcin"
[11:35] <mhz> that measn 'email' is disabled from wikiconfig.py
[11:35] <mhz> means
[11:35] <rob^> yep
[11:35] <Madpilot> mhz: thanks... too bad
[11:35] <mhz> Madpilot: maybe they are having trouble with email server?
[11:35] <Madpilot> Wonder if they can bring it back but disable the option to use * to subscribe to the whole wiki?
[11:36] <mhz> hmmmm
[11:36] <mhz> maybe aty a level code yes, but I do not rememeber any option like that to pass it to the wikiconfig.py
[11:36] <mhz> aty = at
[11:37] <rob^> the best place to ask is #moin
[11:37] <Madpilot> yeah. Some warning would have been nice...
[11:37] <rob^> yep
[11:38] <mhz> BTW, just to show off a little... I translate the es.po file in MoinMoin, so if you find any error, please contact me :)
[11:38] <mhz> which reminds me that i am late for 1.5 relase translation :(
[11:38] <Madpilot> I can't read enough Spanish to tell a good translation from an awful one, I'm afraid ;)
[11:39] <mhz> np
[11:39] <rob^> I can't read spanish..
[11:39] <rob^> at all
[11:39] <rob^> :)
[11:39] <rob^> I can read aussie english and translate into normal english though!
[11:40] <mhz> hehehe
[11:40] <mhz> aussie english needs to be rendered with many resources in my head
[11:41] <mhz> anywasy guys.. i'm off to a very important important gov. seminar in which I hope I can have the chance to bring the Edubuntu subject to the floor
[11:42] <rob^> cool
[11:42] <rob^> have fun!
[11:42] <Madpilot> mhz: best of luck!
[11:42] <mhz> see ya guys, and have a nice day (dai, doi, die, etc)
[11:42] <Madpilot> I need to crash, myself. later, all
[11:42] <mhz> thx
[11:42] <rob^> bye
[03:01] <jjesse> is there a reason "subscribe" is missing for me on wiki pages
[03:01] <judax> morning
[03:04] <jjesse> morning judax 
[03:04] <judax> jjesse: Hi
[03:55] <Burgundavia> salut jsgotangco 
[03:56] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamPlansDapper
[03:56] <jsgotangco> hey Burgundavia how's UBZ?
[03:56] <Burgundavia> it is good
[03:56] <Burgundavia> that wiki page lists useful and cool specs
[03:56] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: can i add you as admin for ubuntu-doc in lp or should i assign other person?
[03:57] <Burgundavia> that is fine
[03:57] <Burgundavia> I do enough stuff in LP anyway
[03:57] <jsgotangco> (so that someone in the other timezone can do the lp stuff while i'm asleep)
[03:57] <jjesse> is there a reason i can't subscribe to taht page? DocteamPlansDapper
[03:58] <Burgundavia> jjesse, subscriptions have been turned off for performance reasons
[03:58] <jjesse> Burgundavia: ah cause i love notifications when pages are updated
[03:58] <jsgotangco> (sorry if I haven't been doing much i have been adjusting to a new job)
[03:59] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: can we transfer the quick tour as ubuntu-marketing responsibility?
[03:59] <Burgundavia> absolutely
[04:02] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: Ubuntu Packaging Guide, maybe can you coordinate with ajmitch about the IntroDeveloperDocs before in UDU
[04:02] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: Unfrgiven has made a doc for that (for review)
[04:02] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, IntroDeveloperDocs are the UbuntuPackagingGuide
[04:02] <jsgotangco> right
[04:03] <Burgundavia> I just called it something different
[04:03] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[04:03] <jsgotangco> some of the parts were derived from the NM guide
[04:03] <Burgundavia> yes
[04:03] <Burgundavia> what license is the NM guide done under?
[04:04] <jsgotangco> mm i haven't checked when i last read it
[04:04] <jsgotangco> probabl gfdl
[04:04] <Burgundavia> in which case it is about to get relicensed
[04:05] <jsgotangco> henrik is moving the u.c site to moin, collaboration would be much possible in a month or so
[04:05] <Burgundavia> I see
[04:05] <jsgotangco> there was a massive plone failure yesterday, we helped him move some stuff
[04:06] <Burgundavia> oh fun
[04:06] <jsgotangco> i want to ask though, what is your vision of start.ubuntu.com? a static page or will the computer need to connect to the net
[04:07] <Burgundavia> start.ubuntu.com will literally be at start.ubuntu.com
[04:07] <Burgundavia> so yes, the computer will need to connect to the net
[04:08] <Burgundavia> the basic principle is that when someone opens a web browser, they are likely to actually be going to the web and thus have internet access
[04:10] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[04:10] <Burgundavia> and the about ubuntu will soon be an actual program
[04:10] <Burgundavia> I guess we need to decide if we want to maintain the current about ubuntu and ship that as well
[04:11] <jsgotangco> a pygtk app i hope
[04:11] <Burgundavia> yes
[04:11] <mpt> You know pygtk, jsgotangco?
[04:11] <jsgotangco> i've had experience with it at work, although not extensive
[04:13] <jjesse> can i ask why the decision to change from a static webpage to a web site?
[04:14] <jjesse> for example, I am a dial up users so i don't have a dedciated net connection at home
[04:14] <Burgundavia> jjesse, because static is crap
[04:14] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: that's not a good answer
[04:14] <Burgundavia> jjesse, almost every other browser in existance has a dynamic start page
[04:14] <jjesse> however i use FF to connect to some local apps, why would i want to have to open FF and then stop the page from trying to connect
[04:14] <jsgotangco> CentOS and RHEL still use static start pages
[04:15] <jjesse> i have the same frustrations waiting for the time sync check to time out upon boot up
[04:15] <Burgundavia> jjesse, the time sync thing is probably going to be dealt with for dapper
[04:15] <jjesse> konq doesn't have a dynamic web page
[04:15] <Burgundavia> in kubuntu?
[04:15] <jjesse> nod
[04:15] <Burgundavia> yes, that is because we also develop that
[04:15] <Burgundavia> not really a useful thing to compare to
[04:16] <jjesse> i open up konq and it goes to /home/jjesse
[04:16] <jsgotangco> actually the konq start page is good
[04:16] <jsgotangco> (its no kubuntu start page btw)
[04:16] <jjesse> agreed jsgotangco 
[04:16] <jjesse> remember not everyone has a broadband connection
[04:17] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:17] <judax> jjesse: if you open with web profile though it goes to a static page about konq features
[04:17] <jjesse> nod judax 
[04:17] <jsgotangco> i'd still suggest a static page but one that isn't long enough to scroll
[04:17] <Burgundavia> there are some minor losses for changing to a dynamic page, but I think the wins are worth it
[04:17] <jjesse> explain cause i ahven't seen any
[04:17] <mpt> jjesse, if you usually use a Web browser to do offline things, you are in a very small minority, but that's fine, just set your home page to about:blank or whatever.
[04:18] <jsgotangco> i'd still say konq done it right
[04:18] <Burgundavia> we can change the dynamic page without having to ship a new package to all users
[04:19] <jsgotangco> (although ff is pretty limited as a web browser so comparisons won't matter)
[04:20] <jsgotangco> jjesse: i was surprised to see the kquickguide and about kubuntu in konq
[04:20] <jjesse> i wasnt :)
[04:29] <jjesse> so where did this discussion end?
[04:29] <judax> think it just ended
[04:29] <jsgotangco> stalemate
[04:29] <jsgotangco> or rather we got creamed
[04:29] <Burgundavia> jeff waugh was at the meeting, so likely it won
[04:29] <Burgundavia> t change
[04:29] <jjesse> i guess i just don't understand the need for dynamic start page
[04:30] <jsgotangco> well ie has a dynamic start page
[04:30] <jsgotangco> so do opera
[04:34] <jjesse> grin i force the start page at ie at work via group policy so its not a dynamic page :)
[04:34] <judax> jjesse: you are a rebel
[04:35] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:35] <jjesse> judax: i force a lot of stuff via group policy at work, start page, screen saver, background, desktop icons, whocan save things to the desktop :)
[04:36] <jjesse> i'm a bastard that way
[04:36] <judax> I hear ya, else it will spiral out of control and you will never get to go home
[04:36] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:36] <judax> :0
[04:37] <jjesse> i just wish there was group policy stuff for linux
[04:39] <jsgotangco> that would be neat
[04:40] <jsgotangco> i really don't find adept that intuitive
[04:40] <jjesse> jsgotangco: i would rather use apt-get from the command line
[04:41] <jjesse> jsgotangco: did you look at the guide that judax did?
[04:41] <judax> you do kind of need to have used something else (synaptic, etc.) to get started quickly
[04:41] <judax> otherwise, I can see it being a bit confusing to start
[04:41] <jsgotangco> yes its actually good but my problem is how adept's ui design
[04:42] <jsgotangco> the filter is actually good but i don't think it should be placed at the start
[04:42] <judax> I really like the arrow design for properties
[04:42] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:42] <jsgotangco> that's a good one
[04:42] <jjesse> i do like the preview function
[04:42] <jsgotangco> maybe the search filters just need rewording?
[04:43] <jjesse> mornfall usually hangs out on #kubuntu and #kubuntu-devel (he wrote adept)
[04:43] <jsgotangco> ahh k
[04:43] <jsgotangco> i think its also logical to merge adept and adept-updater
[04:44] <jsgotangco> or make adept-update run at the start
[04:44] <jsgotangco> as a background process
[04:44] <judax> yes, but wasn't the goal there to have an update tool like ubuntu, but it didn't get done
[04:44] <judax> ?
[04:44] <jsgotangco> what i find it strange though
[04:45] <jsgotangco> is that i have to run adept twice to make it invoke kdesu
[04:45] <judax> hmm
[04:45] <judax> it does not do that for me
[04:45] <jsgotangco> i can replicate it
[04:46] <jsgotangco> adept-update is actually good
[04:46] <judax> I used to only have kdesu trouble with kate, but that seems to have gone away
[04:46] <jsgotangco> the network setting bug is really annoying
[04:47] <jjesse> works fine w/ me when i launch adept from the command line via kdesu adept or when i go K Menu System Adept
[05:07] <jdub> jjesse: group policy stuff -> look deeper into gconf :)
[05:08] <jjesse> gconf?  will have to 
[05:09] <jjesse> is there a kde version of it?
[05:10] <jsgotangco> i don't think jdub is the best person to ask that :)
[05:13] <jdub> jjesse: gconf is the gnome configuration system
[05:14] <jjesse> yeah i saw that from the web page, but what if i don't use gnome, is there something like that for kde?
[05:14] <jdub> no, they work quite differently
[05:14] <jdub> it was architected specifically for this kind of use case
[05:26] <bhuvan> w.u.c/DocteamProjects. can we provide status/preview links to (doc.u.c/..) if its missing ?
[05:26] <jsgotangco> well the page is terribly outdated atm
[05:27] <Burgundavia> bhuvan, that going to be changed after the meeting on Firday
[05:27] <bhuvan> ok
[05:27] <jsgotangco> yes
[05:27] <bhuvan> oh, ok
[05:27] <jjesse> what time again is the meeting on friday?
[05:27] <Burgundavia> 2300 utc
[05:27] <jsgotangco> since there's no svn activity at the moment the page isn't going to be too helpful
[05:27] <jjesse> dang will be at in-laws
[05:27] <jsgotangco> 2300?
[05:27] <jsgotangco> i thought 14
[05:27] <jsgotangco> 23 is for next next week
[05:28] <jjesse> 14 will be able to make it
[05:28] <Burgundavia> not according to the recent emails
[05:28] <Burgundavia> I can make either
[05:29] <bhuvan> DocteamMeetingAgenda says 2300utc!
[05:29] <jsgotangco> what the heck i thought it was for next meeting
[05:30] <bhuvan> seems we have been discussing in our mailing list about having it at 1400utc, but it's not finalized!
[05:36] <jsgotangco> night
[09:27] <Burgundavia> mdke, ping
[09:35] <Burgundavia> mdke, never mind
[09:50] <mdke> Burgundavia, :)
[09:51] <Burgundavia> mdke, riddel was asking me about translations of kubuntu docs I was pleading ignorance
[09:52] <mdke> aha
[09:52] <mdke> can I help?
[09:53] <Burgundavia> I think he was wondering whether we used straight gettext or kde-hacked gettext
[09:53] <mdke> normal i guess
[09:53] <Burgundavia> yes