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zygahello12:03
zygaanyone around ever used gramps?12:03
sistpotygn8 all12:07
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yodabunnyhi12:42
yodabunnyanyone know a good p2p program for Ubuntu?12:42
slomo_gn8 everybody12:43
Trashcanlimewire12:44
Trashcanneed to get the rpm and alien -d it12:44
Trashcanthat's an #ubuntu-offtopic thing though12:44
yodabunnyhmmm, sounds complicated, I'm a linux noob12:44
yodabunnysorry12:44
yodabunnyI'll switch channels12:45
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hubbtorrent12:54
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\shsiretart: ping02:02
siretart\sh: pong02:02
siretart\sh: are you upstairs? Im going there now02:03
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Kyralhey all03:40
farruinngood evening03:40
Kyralsup farruinn03:41
farruinnmudding :)03:44
KyralMUDs?03:44
farruinnyup: discworld.atuin.net03:44
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KyralI can't go near them, I don't wanna lose another year of my life to one03:45
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KyralHmmm05:18
KyralBeep Media Player is now called Audacious05:18
seth_kreally05:19
seth_ksounds a lot like Audacity05:19
seth_kand they are both sound programs of a sort05:19
seth_kmeh05:19
KyralYah, it got forked into it after the original people who made BMP stopped developing it in favor of BMPx05:19
Kyrallook at the Beep site05:19
seth_klink?05:19
seth_kbah, this pbuilder create keeps dying at libreadline05:20
Kyralhttp://www.sosdg.org/~larne/w/BMP_Homepage05:20
seth_kthanks05:20
seth_kand bmpX is... gtk2 bmp?05:21
KyralIts mroe like BMP without XMMS05:21
farruinnhmm... so it's more like... not beep05:23
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\shbla blabla bla blabla06:55
farruinnthat was very profound06:56
\shyeah it was..and it was quite honest06:56
\shbut forget what I said....06:59
\shI'm just referering to siretart who is actually drunk *eg*06:59
siretartaha? intresting theory07:00
\shnot?07:00
siretartmainly very tired..07:00
\shah no...i'm the guy07:00
siretart;)07:00
\shagain?07:01
nailbiterKyral: They're forking Beep? Aw, crap.07:05
nailbiter I hope they maintain the plugin interface. I just wrote an AAC plugin for Beep. :-P07:05
\shbeep is already forked....07:05
\shthe spoon is named "Burp"07:06
farruinn\sh: I can hear the voice of Jeff Waugh ringing through my ears: "ubuntu developers *DO NOT* have a drinking problem!" ;)07:07
nailbiterSometimes, I just wish folks would consolidate all this prime developer manpower instead of splintering into zillions of instant messenger/window manager/linux distro/media player projects07:07
\shfarruinn: that is correct....07:07
\shfarruinn: we don't have a problem with alcohol...07:08
\shbut somehow without07:08
farruinnI can see :)07:08
\shjust joking....07:08
\shi'm reading specs right now07:08
\shstupid people don't know LTSP07:13
\shbut they know somehow HPC07:13
\shhewlett packard computing07:13
\shharhar07:13
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zakamehi all07:21
Lathiattseng: http://static.flickr.com/28/55632873_4c0eba44ec.jpg :)07:37
whiprushman07:43
whiprushare people getting drunk?07:43
whiprushshould have gone to montreal!07:43
\shwhiprush: for sure07:44
whiprushgive dholbach a nice big hug for me07:45
\shdholbach slept at least 2 or 3 hours before us07:45
whiprushhahah07:45
\shactually siretart tries to sleep...and me will do this as well...07:46
whiprushnite07:46
\shgood night guys07:46
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Tonio_good morning all09:49
slomo_hi Tonio_09:52
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Tonio_hi slomo ;)10:04
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zakamehi all11:17
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\shmoins01:25
slomo_hi \sh :)01:29
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slomo_does someone know when the next TB meeting will be?01:36
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pefslomo : in 2 weeks, like usual I guess01:58
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tsengLathiat: seen and enjoyed that one02:12
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zakamelo all02:29
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Lathiattseng: :)02:35
KyralMornin' all02:38
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zakamehi Kyral , Lathiat :)02:38
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Kyralfarruinn \sh: I can hear the voice of Jeff Waugh ringing through my ears: "ubuntu developers *DO NOT* have a drinking problem!" ;) <---I have half a mind to put that line as my Forums sig ;P02:46
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zakamehaha02:47
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KyralDid anyone get pics of Matt and umm, damnit forgot his name, doing the Badger Dance?02:50
Kyralhey ogra02:51
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zakamewb ogra02:56
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ogramorning02:59
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Kyralcyaall later03:14
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pefanyone alive ?03:24
ajmitchyep03:24
pefah :] 03:28
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pefajmitch: in a debian/menu file, pathnames (bin, icon) should be absolute ? (cannot find anything in debian-policy)03:29
ajmitchhm, we tend not to use debian/menu, and they should be relative in .desktop files03:29
pefok, so I will leave it as it is :)03:31
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pefajmitch: I get promoted MOTU recently, how can I find if I'm able to upload to archive ?03:33
ajmitchyou try& upload, depends if elmo has processed your key03:34
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pefok, thanks :)03:34
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ivoksajmitch: hi03:42
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ivoksann: http://www.ubuntu-hr.org/ningi03:43
ajmitchhello ivoks03:46
ivokshi03:47
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ivoksajmitch: you are at UBZ?03:47
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zakameivoks: cool03:48
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ivokszakame: thanks03:48
zakameivoks: I read it too at -devel, it's a great idea imho :)03:49
ajmitchivoks: yep03:49
ivoksthanks guys03:49
ivokswe have a real problem with high cost of broadband connections03:50
ivoksand we feel we aren't alone03:50
ivoksso we decided to do something about that...03:50
ivoksi just hope we can use Ubuntu in projects name03:51
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zakameivoks: hehe same here in my locality03:56
zakamehmm, does anyone use arch-buildpackage in a pbuilder chroot? if so, how do I invoke it?04:00
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Yagisanivoks. ningi looks interesting. would the popcon data help ? http://popcon.ubuntu.com/04:03
bigcx2hey all04:03
YagisanG'day bigcx204:03
bigcx2can anyone tell me why plone-site (or one of its dependencies) conflicts xpdf???04:03
shawarmaHey.... What happened to user-mode-linux in Breezy?04:04
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tsengi wonder if we will sync mysql 4.104:08
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ivokssorry, i was out for a launch04:10
ivoksYagisan: sure!04:10
zakameah, libmemcache is now pdebuilt and lintian-clean :)04:12
zakamenow, where's dput?04:12
tsengdput to revu04:13
tsengunless you are already in the keyring04:14
zakameI am, already pinged siretart :D04:14
tsengi meant the main keyring04:14
tsengbut that too04:14
zakamejust apt-get -y install dput in dapper-chroot04:14
zakamehmm, forgot to do a -S -sa -rfakeroot :(04:18
siretarthuh?04:18
zakamesiretart: I pm'd you about needing upload privs to revu yesterday :)04:20
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siretartzakame: your key?04:30
zakamesiretart: 0xFA53851D04:30
zakamesiretart: I thought it was added already? :)04:31
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jsgotangcohey tseng04:33
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tsenghi jsgotangco04:34
zakamehey dholbach04:34
tsengbmonty: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/27604:34
dholbachre :)04:34
tsengbmonty: i use krb and ldap seperately, what is the idea of using them "together"?04:34
tsengyay dholbach04:34
dholbachhi tseng04:34
jsgotangcohey dholbach04:34
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slomocrimsun: please read my latest mail on -devel about ffmpeg... i think, judging from matthew's and sam's comments it's best to leave it like it is (and move all ffmpeg stuff back to universe)... but we have to do something about faad2 beeing bundled with vlc imho04:48
Lathiatslomo: from what i read we can rip the plugin out and put it in multiverse?04:52
zakamegtg, night all04:52
slomoLathiat: when it can be built separately... sure... would probably be the best then to built it against our faad2 as it contains many fixes04:52
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slomoLathiat: but i don't really now anything about vlc except what it is and that it contains the faad2 sources ;)04:53
Lathiatheh ok04:53
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slomogn8 Lathiat :)04:53
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jsgotangconight Lathiat04:55
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mindwarp.06:12
slomohi mindwarp :)06:13
mindwarphey hows it going06:13
mindwarpstill no luck with elmo, I assume he is busy @ ubz06:13
slomoi'm ok... only i bit tired ;) and yes, he's really busy there... nm :)06:14
slomodo you have something new to upload? ;)06:14
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mindwarpactually I may in a couple hours, going to eat some cerial, then I should have a new package06:14
slomoperfect :) an update to an already available package or something really new?06:15
mindwarpfixing a .desktop of another package on dapper06:16
mindwarpI could package something from scratch, but it would take a bit longer06:16
mindwarpAlso my laptop is actually AMD64, I installed i386 on it because of my lack of understanding on chroots, so I may format it today and throw a 32bit chroot on there06:17
mindwarpso I can work on some AMD64 packages06:17
slomowhat do you mean by amd64 packages?06:18
mindwarpI mean like compile them natively and test them without much effort06:20
slomoah ok... hehe, then you could start to fix some of the packages that don't build on amd64 if there are any left ;)06:22
mindwarpya thats what I was thinking06:22
mindwarpchex time06:22
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mindwarphey slomo, why is it in a packages install section, take abuse for example, the line will read: debian/abuse.desktop debian/abuse/usr/share/applications06:54
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mindwarplike how is the debian/abuse part parsed06:54
slomoinstall --mode=644 debian/abuse.desktop debian/abuse/usr/share/applications/abuse.desktop06:55
slomo^--- that line?06:55
mindwarpyeah06:55
slomook, what's exactly the question? ;) it's in the install rule for the package and called there... install copies the file from debian/abuse.desktop to debian/abuse/usr/share/applications/abuse.desktop with 644 permissions06:56
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mindwarpI guess I thought that the desktop file should be in /usr/share/applications, and wasn't aware that debian/abuse/usr/share/applications existed?06:58
slomodebian/abuse is the directory from which the deb file is created... debian/abuse/usr will be /usr in the binary package06:58
slomoinstall works on real paths unlike dh_install06:59
mindwarpok so is the format always debian/packagename?07:00
slomoin general... yes... but for packages with more than one binary package debian/tmp is used in general to hold all stuff... and afterwards everything is put into the corresponding debian/packagename07:02
Amaranthslomo: everything gets dumped into debian/tmp then moved into debian/packagename based on what debian/packagename.files contains?07:03
slomoor debian/packagename.install07:03
slomobut in general yes... but you're obviously free to use debian/foo instead of debian/tmp07:03
slomoreally depends on the package07:04
mindwarpoh If I just use .install via dh_install I can just use the real path name without appending that?07:05
slomotry it ;) you can't break anything and you'll learn better by actually trying stuff :P for listing the package content you could use less foo.deb for example07:08
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mindwarpgotcha07:10
slomobtw, dh_install is also the thing that interprets the .install files07:13
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tsengthat was annoying07:14
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slomohuh? you mean from .files to .install?07:17
tsengit was a mixture07:17
tsengof both07:18
tsengwe moved it all to just .install07:18
slomoyes that's definitly better ;) why was it a mixture anyway?07:18
tsenglaziness07:18
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thesaltydogsiretart, ping?07:50
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slomocrimsun: does our vlc have a libvlc.so somewhere?08:01
thesaltydogWho can remove a package from REVU?08:06
slomocrimsun: and i requested a move of ffmpeg (everything) back to universe at elmo... so everything will be fine ;)08:14
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Tonio_re08:15
LaserJockajmitch: ping?08:17
\shLaserJock: ajmitch is at lunch08:19
LaserJock\sh: ok, well maybe you can help. Is there a plan for the next MOTU meeting?08:19
\shis there no date on w.u.c/Calendar ?08:22
\shoh no..08:22
\shdunno actually...will try to find out later on from dholbach08:22
LaserJock\sh: I was also wondering if ajmitch was going to write of the minutes. I thought he was but if he is busy I could probably do it08:25
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\shLaserJock: ask him...i think he has right now some problems with his stolen laptop...08:25
\shLaserJock: i think he'll appreciate your help08:26
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Tonio_dholbach: I finally took a few minutes to make my wikipage08:59
dholbachcool08:59
Tonio_dholbach: what else is required for cc meeting ?08:59
Tonio_it still needs a little improvement, but well, it is done09:00
dholbachdid you use launchpad  and the wiki to set yourself on the agenda?09:00
Tonio_nope09:00
Tonio_yes the agenda, that was the issue last time :)09:00
dholbachit's all explained on CommunityCouncilAgenda, isn't it?09:00
Tonio_I'm gonna check that09:00
Tonio_dholbach: I'm gonna search, don't mind ;)09:01
Tonio_I was just needing the global steps09:01
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LaserJockdholbach: is there a date/time for the next MOTU meeting?09:03
dholbachis that something on wiki/MOTUMeeting?09:03
Tonio_dholbach: yep, I'd much appreciate the info ;) don't wanna miss three times :)09:03
dholbachyeah09:03
LaserJockdholbach: it is not on MOTUMeeting and I don't really remember it being discussed09:05
dholbachok09:05
LaserJocklooking at the irc log it looks like the next date/time was supposed to be posted on the channel topic09:08
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cevizogludoes anyone know when breezy will have a firefox 1.5 package?09:30
dereks_anyone here have the 770?09:32
slomodoes someone know if an upgrade from sarge to breezy works?09:33
dholbachslomo: not supported09:33
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slomodholbach: == not recommended but works in most cases? or not recommended and doesn't work?09:35
dholbachi upgraded from sid + experimental to pre-warty :)09:36
Mithrandirslomo: it should work quite well09:37
crimsunslomo: Hi. Do you propose that we should disable the faad plugin for vlc?09:37
crimsuncevizoglu: it won't.09:37
slomook, i'll test it this weekend on my vserver ;)09:38
slomocrimsun: i propose nothing ;) you know vlc better than me... can the faad2 stuff be splitted of and built separate as a different sourcepackage in universe? maybe against our faad2 in multiverse?09:40
slomocrimsun: at least something has to be done about it... seems to be strange when we have faad2 in multiverse and a package containing exactly the same stuff in universe09:40
crimsunslomo: yes, the faad2-built demuxer dynamic libraries can be packaged into a multiverse package09:43
slomocrimsun: and in the case of faad2 it must be multiverse... you have to buy licenses for the patents at least when using it commercially09:43
slomocrimsun: ok, then do it :) can it be built against the faad2 we have in multiverse?09:43
slomocrimsun: our's contains many bugfixes09:43
crimsunslomo: I'll try this weekend09:44
slomothanks... and i'll try to "fix" transcode this weekend :)09:44
slomobtw, you mean multiverse sourcepackage, right?09:45
crimsunslomo: np. You'll probably just want to drop the dpatches I used for transcode09:45
slomothe patches that enable building against an external libavcodec?09:46
crimsunslomo: sorry, I'm thinking vlc. Don't mind that.09:48
slomoerr... what patches do you mean?09:48
slomohehe ok :)09:48
slomocrimsun: and you mean a multiverse _source_ package for the faad2 plugin, right?09:49
crimsunslomo: no, something like vlc-plugin-faad209:50
crimsunslomo: I realize it's still messy because the source would still be included in vlc09:50
slomocrimsun: yes... and that way you can't use our faad2 in multiverse :/09:50
slomoanyway... better than nothing ;)09:51
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crimsunslomo: we should just check with Sam about Debian including our faad2, then09:53
seth_ksiretart, when you're around, can you change my login on REVU from seth@sethkinast.com -> seth@ubuntu.com (PGP keys are the same) thanks!09:53
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siretartseth_k: no09:54
siretartseth_k: upload a package using that email adress in changelog. then such an account is created09:54
siretartI know, its a stupid limitation, but I'm working on it09:54
slomocrimsun: that will most probably never happen... iirc you need to buy licenses for patents when using it commercially09:54
seth_ksiretart, I did upload a package using that e-mail, ok09:54
seth_kwill do a password recovery thing then :)09:54
seth_kthanks09:54
slomocrimsun: the package is made by me btw ;)09:55
seth_kmm, siretart, I uploaded a package using that e-mail, but when I try to recover password, the gpg block is blank09:55
crimsunslomo: wait, is our faad2 any less free than marillat's?09:55
slomocrimsun: no, it's from the same sources (ok, our's is a cvs snapshot but anyway)09:56
crimsunmm messy09:58
slomocrimsun: the code itself is GPL but AAC is covered by patents... similar to xvid, lame, mad, etc...09:58
crimsunif vlc stays in universe, we wouldn't be able to build easily against libfaad2-dev09:58
seth_klet me know if you figure anything out siretart, thanks. I can't comment on any of my packages now tho :/10:00
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slomocrimsun: yes that's the problem... hm, as dholbach suggested earlier today we definitly need a lawyer-team for such stuff...10:01
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leonelhello10:09
leoneldoes the universe packages get updated as fast as  the packages from security  when a bug is found ?10:11
leonelcan I use  universe packages on a Internet producction server ?10:11
ivoksi do10:12
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leonelis it  safe ?10:13
ivoksthere is no such thing as safe sex or safe programs :)10:14
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leonelnot funny10:15
ivokswhich package are we talking about?10:15
LaserJockleonel: well, I guess it depends on your definition of "safe"10:16
leonelsafe == " security patches applied as fast as  security.ubuntu "10:16
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ivoksleonel: it's not fast as debian, but we will get to that stage10:18
azeemLaserJock: no problem10:18
ivoksleonel: as you can see, for security patches, manpower is needed10:18
ivoksleonel: and we lack (wo)men10:18
dredgand good security people are very very hard to find10:18
ivoksleonel: if it makes you feel any better, i use universe packages in production10:19
leonelso  on a critital production environment it's better not use  universe packages10:19
ivoksleonel: it is better to use main as much as possible, yes10:19
ivoksleonel: but, unfortunetly, some stuff isn't in main10:20
leonelivoks, thanks  , that's my problem   i want packages that are on universe but I need to be sure they will get updated when a bug is found10:20
leonelthanks10:21
LaserJockazeem: do you think it is worth trying the ghemical CVS to see if the problem is fixed?10:21
ivoksleonel: we will create better security team for universe soon10:21
ivoksleonel: that wasn't possible with 10 people working on thousands of packages10:21
azeemLaserJock: CVS has shuffled around the mopac stuff quite a bit10:22
ivoksleonel: while ubuntu is getting popular, more people are coming in to contribute10:22
ivoksleonel: that will leave some space for better security team10:22
leonelivoks, I know  and I'd like to have time to work with  ubuntu motu or any other place where I can be useful10:23
LaserJockazeem: yea, that's right. dang. it would be nice to have something functional. I almost think at this point 1.02 would be better/10:23
ivokseveryone is welcome allways10:23
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azeemLaserJock: ok, I have reproduced it on Debian unstable10:46
LaserJockazeem: well, at least it's consistent ;(10:47
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azeemLaserJock: looks like some skew between libghemical and ghemical, probably we have some conflicting CVS changes in either/both10:59
LaserJockazeem: OK, anything I can do to help?11:00
azeemI'm recompiling with debugging symbols and try to make something out of the backtrace11:00
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azeemI can paste it somewhere once I have it, maybe you spot what's wrong11:01
LaserJockazeem: ha, not likely but if would be cool to see it11:02
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azeemLaserJock: it tries to add a bond, and the second atom doesn't exist, obviously11:16
LaserJockazeem: is that for a single atom11:18
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azeemLaserJock: yeah, it never calls Project:AddAtom, actually11:23
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azeembut then, hrm.  One Atom struct /is/ there, only the second is NULL11:24
azeemtoo late, already sent the mail11:25
LaserJockwell, what about adding a third atom?11:26
LaserJockis that the same issue?11:26
azeemhow do you add two at once? :)11:31
azeemit crashes as soon as I add one11:31
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azeemLaserJock: ok, I see. If you draw a bond by click-dragging, it works, if you release the mouse at the same position (i.e. just click), it segfaults11:36
LaserJockazeem: click and drag to create two atoms bonded together11:36
azeemdoesn't matter which atom11:36
azeemheh11:36
LaserJockazeem: oh, too late ;-)11:36
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KyralYanno I love having an Ubuntu mirror on campus11:46
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crimsunmirrors.clarkson?11:47
Kyralbingo ;P11:48
Kyralwell, mirror.clarkson.edu/pub/distributions11:48
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KyralYanno building this Sid Pbuilder would be a lot faster if we had our Debian mirror up11:55
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\shslomo: ping12:00

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