[12:03] <zyga> hello
[12:03] <zyga> anyone around ever used gramps?
[12:07] <sistpoty> gn8 all
[12:42] <yodabunny> hi
[12:42] <yodabunny> anyone know a good p2p program for Ubuntu?
[12:43] <slomo_> gn8 everybody
[12:44] <Trashcan> limewire
[12:44] <Trashcan> need to get the rpm and alien -d it
[12:44] <Trashcan> that's an #ubuntu-offtopic thing though
[12:44] <yodabunny> hmmm, sounds complicated, I'm a linux noob
[12:44] <yodabunny> sorry
[12:45] <yodabunny> I'll switch channels
[12:54] <hub> btorrent
[02:02] <\sh> siretart: ping
[02:02] <siretart> \sh: pong
[02:03] <siretart> \sh: are you upstairs? Im going there now
[03:40] <Kyral> hey all
[03:40] <farruinn> good evening
[03:41] <Kyral> sup farruinn
[03:44] <farruinn> mudding :)
[03:44] <Kyral> MUDs?
[03:44] <farruinn> yup: discworld.atuin.net
[03:45] <Kyral> I can't go near them, I don't wanna lose another year of my life to one
[05:18] <Kyral> Hmmm
[05:18] <Kyral> Beep Media Player is now called Audacious
[05:19] <seth_k> really
[05:19] <seth_k> sounds a lot like Audacity
[05:19] <seth_k> and they are both sound programs of a sort
[05:19] <seth_k> meh
[05:19] <Kyral> Yah, it got forked into it after the original people who made BMP stopped developing it in favor of BMPx
[05:19] <Kyral> look at the Beep site
[05:19] <seth_k> link?
[05:20] <seth_k> bah, this pbuilder create keeps dying at libreadline
[05:20] <Kyral> http://www.sosdg.org/~larne/w/BMP_Homepage
[05:20] <seth_k> thanks
[05:21] <seth_k> and bmpX is... gtk2 bmp?
[05:21] <Kyral> Its mroe like BMP without XMMS
[05:23] <farruinn> hmm... so it's more like... not beep
[06:55] <\sh> bla blabla bla blabla
[06:56] <farruinn> that was very profound
[06:56] <\sh> yeah it was..and it was quite honest
[06:59] <\sh> but forget what I said....
[06:59] <\sh> I'm just referering to siretart who is actually drunk *eg*
[07:00] <siretart> aha? intresting theory
[07:00] <\sh> not?
[07:00] <siretart> mainly very tired..
[07:00] <\sh> ah no...i'm the guy
[07:00] <siretart> ;)
[07:01] <\sh> again?
[07:05] <nailbiter> Kyral: They're forking Beep? Aw, crap.
[07:05] <nailbiter>  I hope they maintain the plugin interface. I just wrote an AAC plugin for Beep. :-P
[07:05] <\sh> beep is already forked....
[07:06] <\sh> the spoon is named "Burp"
[07:07] <farruinn> \sh: I can hear the voice of Jeff Waugh ringing through my ears: "ubuntu developers *DO NOT* have a drinking problem!" ;)
[07:07] <nailbiter> Sometimes, I just wish folks would consolidate all this prime developer manpower instead of splintering into zillions of instant messenger/window manager/linux distro/media player projects
[07:07] <\sh> farruinn: that is correct....
[07:08] <\sh> farruinn: we don't have a problem with alcohol...
[07:08] <\sh> but somehow without
[07:08] <farruinn> I can see :)
[07:08] <\sh> just joking....
[07:08] <\sh> i'm reading specs right now
[07:13] <\sh> stupid people don't know LTSP
[07:13] <\sh> but they know somehow HPC
[07:13] <\sh> hewlett packard computing
[07:13] <\sh> harhar
[07:21] <zakame> hi all
[07:37] <Lathiat> tseng: http://static.flickr.com/28/55632873_4c0eba44ec.jpg :)
[07:43] <whiprush> man
[07:43] <whiprush> are people getting drunk?
[07:43] <whiprush> should have gone to montreal!
[07:44] <\sh> whiprush: for sure
[07:45] <whiprush> give dholbach a nice big hug for me
[07:45] <\sh> dholbach slept at least 2 or 3 hours before us
[07:45] <whiprush> hahah
[07:46] <\sh> actually siretart tries to sleep...and me will do this as well...
[07:46] <whiprush> nite
[07:46] <\sh> good night guys
[09:49] <Tonio_> good morning all
[09:52] <slomo_> hi Tonio_
[10:04] <Tonio_> hi slomo ;)
[11:17] <zakame> hi all
[01:25] <\sh> moins
[01:29] <slomo_> hi \sh :)
[01:36] <slomo_> does someone know when the next TB meeting will be?
[01:58] <pef> slomo : in 2 weeks, like usual I guess
[02:12] <tseng> Lathiat: seen and enjoyed that one
[02:29] <zakame> lo all
[02:35] <Lathiat> tseng: :)
[02:38] <Kyral> Mornin' all
[02:38] <zakame> hi Kyral , Lathiat :)
[02:46] <Kyral> farruinn \sh: I can hear the voice of Jeff Waugh ringing through my ears: "ubuntu developers *DO NOT* have a drinking problem!" ;) <---I have half a mind to put that line as my Forums sig ;P
[02:47] <zakame> haha
[02:50] <Kyral> Did anyone get pics of Matt and umm, damnit forgot his name, doing the Badger Dance?
[02:51] <Kyral> hey ogra
[02:56] <zakame> wb ogra
[02:59] <ogra> morning
[03:14] <Kyral> cyaall later
[03:24] <pef> anyone alive ?
[03:24] <ajmitch> yep
[03:28] <pef> ah :] 
[03:29] <pef> ajmitch: in a debian/menu file, pathnames (bin, icon) should be absolute ? (cannot find anything in debian-policy)
[03:29] <ajmitch> hm, we tend not to use debian/menu, and they should be relative in .desktop files
[03:31] <pef> ok, so I will leave it as it is :)
[03:33] <pef> ajmitch: I get promoted MOTU recently, how can I find if I'm able to upload to archive ?
[03:34] <ajmitch> you try& upload, depends if elmo has processed your key
[03:34] <pef> ok, thanks :)
[03:42] <ivoks> ajmitch: hi
[03:43] <ivoks> ann: http://www.ubuntu-hr.org/ningi
[03:46] <ajmitch> hello ivoks
[03:47] <ivoks> hi
[03:47] <ivoks> ajmitch: you are at UBZ?
[03:48] <zakame> ivoks: cool
[03:48] <ivoks> zakame: thanks
[03:49] <zakame> ivoks: I read it too at -devel, it's a great idea imho :)
[03:49] <ajmitch> ivoks: yep
[03:49] <ivoks> thanks guys
[03:50] <ivoks> we have a real problem with high cost of broadband connections
[03:50] <ivoks> and we feel we aren't alone
[03:50] <ivoks> so we decided to do something about that...
[03:51] <ivoks> i just hope we can use Ubuntu in projects name
[03:56] <zakame> ivoks: hehe same here in my locality
[04:00] <zakame> hmm, does anyone use arch-buildpackage in a pbuilder chroot? if so, how do I invoke it?
[04:03] <Yagisan> ivoks. ningi looks interesting. would the popcon data help ? http://popcon.ubuntu.com/
[04:03] <bigcx2> hey all
[04:03] <Yagisan> G'day bigcx2
[04:03] <bigcx2> can anyone tell me why plone-site (or one of its dependencies) conflicts xpdf???
[04:04] <shawarma> Hey.... What happened to user-mode-linux in Breezy?
[04:08] <tseng> i wonder if we will sync mysql 4.1
[04:10] <ivoks> sorry, i was out for a launch
[04:10] <ivoks> Yagisan: sure!
[04:12] <zakame> ah, libmemcache is now pdebuilt and lintian-clean :)
[04:12] <zakame> now, where's dput?
[04:13] <tseng> dput to revu
[04:14] <tseng> unless you are already in the keyring
[04:14] <zakame> I am, already pinged siretart :D
[04:14] <tseng> i meant the main keyring
[04:14] <tseng> but that too
[04:14] <zakame> just apt-get -y install dput in dapper-chroot
[04:18] <zakame> hmm, forgot to do a -S -sa -rfakeroot :(
[04:18] <siretart> huh?
[04:20] <zakame> siretart: I pm'd you about needing upload privs to revu yesterday :)
[04:30] <siretart> zakame: your key?
[04:30] <zakame> siretart: 0xFA53851D
[04:31] <zakame> siretart: I thought it was added already? :)
[04:33] <jsgotangco> hey tseng
[04:34] <tseng> hi jsgotangco
[04:34] <zakame> hey dholbach
[04:34] <tseng> bmonty: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/276
[04:34] <dholbach> re :)
[04:34] <tseng> bmonty: i use krb and ldap seperately, what is the idea of using them "together"?
[04:34] <tseng> yay dholbach
[04:34] <dholbach> hi tseng
[04:34] <jsgotangco> hey dholbach
[04:48] <slomo> crimsun: please read my latest mail on -devel about ffmpeg... i think, judging from matthew's and sam's comments it's best to leave it like it is (and move all ffmpeg stuff back to universe)... but we have to do something about faad2 beeing bundled with vlc imho
[04:52] <Lathiat> slomo: from what i read we can rip the plugin out and put it in multiverse?
[04:52] <zakame> gtg, night all
[04:52] <slomo> Lathiat: when it can be built separately... sure... would probably be the best then to built it against our faad2 as it contains many fixes
[04:53] <slomo> Lathiat: but i don't really now anything about vlc except what it is and that it contains the faad2 sources ;)
[04:53] <Lathiat> heh ok
[04:53] <slomo> gn8 Lathiat :)
[04:55] <jsgotangco> night Lathiat
[06:12] <mindwarp> .
[06:13] <slomo> hi mindwarp :)
[06:13] <mindwarp> hey hows it going
[06:13] <mindwarp> still no luck with elmo, I assume he is busy @ ubz
[06:14] <slomo> i'm ok... only i bit tired ;) and yes, he's really busy there... nm :)
[06:14] <slomo> do you have something new to upload? ;)
[06:14] <mindwarp> actually I may in a couple hours, going to eat some cerial, then I should have a new package
[06:15] <slomo> perfect :) an update to an already available package or something really new?
[06:16] <mindwarp> fixing a .desktop of another package on dapper
[06:16] <mindwarp> I could package something from scratch, but it would take a bit longer
[06:17] <mindwarp> Also my laptop is actually AMD64, I installed i386 on it because of my lack of understanding on chroots, so I may format it today and throw a 32bit chroot on there
[06:17] <mindwarp> so I can work on some AMD64 packages
[06:18] <slomo> what do you mean by amd64 packages?
[06:20] <mindwarp> I mean like compile them natively and test them without much effort
[06:22] <slomo> ah ok... hehe, then you could start to fix some of the packages that don't build on amd64 if there are any left ;)
[06:22] <mindwarp> ya thats what I was thinking
[06:22] <mindwarp> chex time
[06:54] <mindwarp> hey slomo, why is it in a packages install section, take abuse for example, the line will read: debian/abuse.desktop debian/abuse/usr/share/applications
[06:54] <mindwarp> like how is the debian/abuse part parsed
[06:55] <slomo> install --mode=644 debian/abuse.desktop debian/abuse/usr/share/applications/abuse.desktop
[06:55] <slomo> ^--- that line?
[06:55] <mindwarp> yeah
[06:56] <slomo> ok, what's exactly the question? ;) it's in the install rule for the package and called there... install copies the file from debian/abuse.desktop to debian/abuse/usr/share/applications/abuse.desktop with 644 permissions
[06:58] <mindwarp> I guess I thought that the desktop file should be in /usr/share/applications, and wasn't aware that debian/abuse/usr/share/applications existed?
[06:58] <slomo> debian/abuse is the directory from which the deb file is created... debian/abuse/usr will be /usr in the binary package
[06:59] <slomo> install works on real paths unlike dh_install
[07:00] <mindwarp> ok so is the format always debian/packagename?
[07:02] <slomo> in general... yes... but for packages with more than one binary package debian/tmp is used in general to hold all stuff... and afterwards everything is put into the corresponding debian/packagename
[07:03] <Amaranth> slomo: everything gets dumped into debian/tmp then moved into debian/packagename based on what debian/packagename.files contains?
[07:03] <slomo> or debian/packagename.install
[07:03] <slomo> but in general yes... but you're obviously free to use debian/foo instead of debian/tmp
[07:04] <slomo> really depends on the package
[07:05] <mindwarp> oh If I just use .install via dh_install I can just use the real path name without appending that?
[07:08] <slomo> try it ;) you can't break anything and you'll learn better by actually trying stuff :P for listing the package content you could use less foo.deb for example
[07:10] <mindwarp> gotcha
[07:13] <slomo> btw, dh_install is also the thing that interprets the .install files
[07:14] <tseng> that was annoying
[07:17] <slomo> huh? you mean from .files to .install?
[07:17] <tseng> it was a mixture
[07:18] <tseng> of both
[07:18] <tseng> we moved it all to just .install
[07:18] <slomo> yes that's definitly better ;) why was it a mixture anyway?
[07:18] <tseng> laziness
[07:50] <thesaltydog> siretart, ping?
[08:01] <slomo> crimsun: does our vlc have a libvlc.so somewhere?
[08:06] <thesaltydog> Who can remove a package from REVU?
[08:14] <slomo> crimsun: and i requested a move of ffmpeg (everything) back to universe at elmo... so everything will be fine ;)
[08:15] <Tonio_> re
[08:17] <LaserJock> ajmitch: ping?
[08:19] <\sh> LaserJock: ajmitch is at lunch
[08:19] <LaserJock> \sh: ok, well maybe you can help. Is there a plan for the next MOTU meeting?
[08:22] <\sh> is there no date on w.u.c/Calendar ?
[08:22] <\sh> oh no..
[08:22] <\sh> dunno actually...will try to find out later on from dholbach
[08:25] <LaserJock> \sh: I was also wondering if ajmitch was going to write of the minutes. I thought he was but if he is busy I could probably do it
[08:25] <\sh> LaserJock: ask him...i think he has right now some problems with his stolen laptop...
[08:26] <\sh> LaserJock: i think he'll appreciate your help
[08:59] <Tonio_> dholbach: I finally took a few minutes to make my wikipage
[08:59] <dholbach> cool
[08:59] <Tonio_> dholbach: what else is required for cc meeting ?
[09:00] <Tonio_> it still needs a little improvement, but well, it is done
[09:00] <dholbach> did you use launchpad  and the wiki to set yourself on the agenda?
[09:00] <Tonio_> nope
[09:00] <Tonio_> yes the agenda, that was the issue last time :)
[09:00] <dholbach> it's all explained on CommunityCouncilAgenda, isn't it?
[09:00] <Tonio_> I'm gonna check that
[09:01] <Tonio_> dholbach: I'm gonna search, don't mind ;)
[09:01] <Tonio_> I was just needing the global steps
[09:03] <LaserJock> dholbach: is there a date/time for the next MOTU meeting?
[09:03] <dholbach> is that something on wiki/MOTUMeeting?
[09:03] <Tonio_> dholbach: yep, I'd much appreciate the info ;) don't wanna miss three times :)
[09:03] <dholbach> yeah
[09:05] <LaserJock> dholbach: it is not on MOTUMeeting and I don't really remember it being discussed
[09:05] <dholbach> ok
[09:08] <LaserJock> looking at the irc log it looks like the next date/time was supposed to be posted on the channel topic
[09:30] <cevizoglu> does anyone know when breezy will have a firefox 1.5 package?
[09:32] <dereks_> anyone here have the 770?
[09:33] <slomo> does someone know if an upgrade from sarge to breezy works?
[09:33] <dholbach> slomo: not supported
[09:35] <slomo> dholbach: == not recommended but works in most cases? or not recommended and doesn't work?
[09:36] <dholbach> i upgraded from sid + experimental to pre-warty :)
[09:37] <Mithrandir> slomo: it should work quite well
[09:37] <crimsun> slomo: Hi. Do you propose that we should disable the faad plugin for vlc?
[09:37] <crimsun> cevizoglu: it won't.
[09:38] <slomo> ok, i'll test it this weekend on my vserver ;)
[09:40] <slomo> crimsun: i propose nothing ;) you know vlc better than me... can the faad2 stuff be splitted of and built separate as a different sourcepackage in universe? maybe against our faad2 in multiverse?
[09:40] <slomo> crimsun: at least something has to be done about it... seems to be strange when we have faad2 in multiverse and a package containing exactly the same stuff in universe
[09:43] <crimsun> slomo: yes, the faad2-built demuxer dynamic libraries can be packaged into a multiverse package
[09:43] <slomo> crimsun: and in the case of faad2 it must be multiverse... you have to buy licenses for the patents at least when using it commercially
[09:43] <slomo> crimsun: ok, then do it :) can it be built against the faad2 we have in multiverse?
[09:43] <slomo> crimsun: our's contains many bugfixes
[09:44] <crimsun> slomo: I'll try this weekend
[09:44] <slomo> thanks... and i'll try to "fix" transcode this weekend :)
[09:45] <slomo> btw, you mean multiverse sourcepackage, right?
[09:45] <crimsun> slomo: np. You'll probably just want to drop the dpatches I used for transcode
[09:46] <slomo> the patches that enable building against an external libavcodec?
[09:48] <crimsun> slomo: sorry, I'm thinking vlc. Don't mind that.
[09:48] <slomo> err... what patches do you mean?
[09:48] <slomo> hehe ok :)
[09:49] <slomo> crimsun: and you mean a multiverse _source_ package for the faad2 plugin, right?
[09:50] <crimsun> slomo: no, something like vlc-plugin-faad2
[09:50] <crimsun> slomo: I realize it's still messy because the source would still be included in vlc
[09:50] <slomo> crimsun: yes... and that way you can't use our faad2 in multiverse :/
[09:51] <slomo> anyway... better than nothing ;)
[09:53] <crimsun> slomo: we should just check with Sam about Debian including our faad2, then
[09:53] <seth_k> siretart, when you're around, can you change my login on REVU from seth@sethkinast.com -> seth@ubuntu.com (PGP keys are the same) thanks!
[09:54] <siretart> seth_k: no
[09:54] <siretart> seth_k: upload a package using that email adress in changelog. then such an account is created
[09:54] <siretart> I know, its a stupid limitation, but I'm working on it
[09:54] <slomo> crimsun: that will most probably never happen... iirc you need to buy licenses for patents when using it commercially
[09:54] <seth_k> siretart, I did upload a package using that e-mail, ok
[09:54] <seth_k> will do a password recovery thing then :)
[09:54] <seth_k> thanks
[09:55] <slomo> crimsun: the package is made by me btw ;)
[09:55] <seth_k> mm, siretart, I uploaded a package using that e-mail, but when I try to recover password, the gpg block is blank
[09:55] <crimsun> slomo: wait, is our faad2 any less free than marillat's?
[09:56] <slomo> crimsun: no, it's from the same sources (ok, our's is a cvs snapshot but anyway)
[09:58] <crimsun> mm messy
[09:58] <slomo> crimsun: the code itself is GPL but AAC is covered by patents... similar to xvid, lame, mad, etc...
[09:58] <crimsun> if vlc stays in universe, we wouldn't be able to build easily against libfaad2-dev
[10:00] <seth_k> let me know if you figure anything out siretart, thanks. I can't comment on any of my packages now tho :/
[10:01] <slomo> crimsun: yes that's the problem... hm, as dholbach suggested earlier today we definitly need a lawyer-team for such stuff...
[10:09] <leonel> hello
[10:11] <leonel> does the universe packages get updated as fast as  the packages from security  when a bug is found ?
[10:11] <leonel> can I use  universe packages on a Internet producction server ?
[10:12] <ivoks> i do
[10:13] <leonel> is it  safe ?
[10:14] <ivoks> there is no such thing as safe sex or safe programs :)
[10:15] <leonel> not funny
[10:15] <ivoks> which package are we talking about?
[10:16] <LaserJock> leonel: well, I guess it depends on your definition of "safe"
[10:16] <leonel> safe == " security patches applied as fast as  security.ubuntu "
[10:18] <ivoks> leonel: it's not fast as debian, but we will get to that stage
[10:18] <azeem> LaserJock: no problem
[10:18] <ivoks> leonel: as you can see, for security patches, manpower is needed
[10:18] <ivoks> leonel: and we lack (wo)men
[10:18] <dredg> and good security people are very very hard to find
[10:19] <ivoks> leonel: if it makes you feel any better, i use universe packages in production
[10:19] <leonel> so  on a critital production environment it's better not use  universe packages
[10:19] <ivoks> leonel: it is better to use main as much as possible, yes
[10:20] <ivoks> leonel: but, unfortunetly, some stuff isn't in main
[10:20] <leonel> ivoks, thanks  , that's my problem   i want packages that are on universe but I need to be sure they will get updated when a bug is found
[10:21] <leonel> thanks
[10:21] <LaserJock> azeem: do you think it is worth trying the ghemical CVS to see if the problem is fixed?
[10:21] <ivoks> leonel: we will create better security team for universe soon
[10:21] <ivoks> leonel: that wasn't possible with 10 people working on thousands of packages
[10:22] <azeem> LaserJock: CVS has shuffled around the mopac stuff quite a bit
[10:22] <ivoks> leonel: while ubuntu is getting popular, more people are coming in to contribute
[10:22] <ivoks> leonel: that will leave some space for better security team
[10:23] <leonel> ivoks, I know  and I'd like to have time to work with  ubuntu motu or any other place where I can be useful
[10:23] <LaserJock> azeem: yea, that's right. dang. it would be nice to have something functional. I almost think at this point 1.02 would be better/
[10:23] <ivoks> everyone is welcome allways
[10:46] <azeem> LaserJock: ok, I have reproduced it on Debian unstable
[10:47] <LaserJock> azeem: well, at least it's consistent ;(
[10:59] <azeem> LaserJock: looks like some skew between libghemical and ghemical, probably we have some conflicting CVS changes in either/both
[11:00] <LaserJock> azeem: OK, anything I can do to help?
[11:00] <azeem> I'm recompiling with debugging symbols and try to make something out of the backtrace
[11:01] <azeem> I can paste it somewhere once I have it, maybe you spot what's wrong
[11:02] <LaserJock> azeem: ha, not likely but if would be cool to see it
[11:16] <azeem> LaserJock: it tries to add a bond, and the second atom doesn't exist, obviously
[11:18] <LaserJock> azeem: is that for a single atom
[11:23] <azeem> LaserJock: yeah, it never calls Project:AddAtom, actually
[11:24] <azeem> but then, hrm.  One Atom struct /is/ there, only the second is NULL
[11:25] <azeem> too late, already sent the mail
[11:26] <LaserJock> well, what about adding a third atom?
[11:26] <LaserJock> is that the same issue?
[11:31] <azeem> how do you add two at once? :)
[11:31] <azeem> it crashes as soon as I add one
[11:36] <azeem> LaserJock: ok, I see. If you draw a bond by click-dragging, it works, if you release the mouse at the same position (i.e. just click), it segfaults
[11:36] <LaserJock> azeem: click and drag to create two atoms bonded together
[11:36] <azeem> doesn't matter which atom
[11:36] <azeem> heh
[11:36] <LaserJock> azeem: oh, too late ;-)
[11:46] <Kyral> Yanno I love having an Ubuntu mirror on campus
[11:47] <crimsun> mirrors.clarkson?
[11:48] <Kyral> bingo ;P
[11:48] <Kyral> well, mirror.clarkson.edu/pub/distributions
[11:55] <Kyral> Yanno building this Sid Pbuilder would be a lot faster if we had our Debian mirror up
[12:00] <\sh> slomo: ping