[12:06] <mornfall> yeah, ok
[12:06] <mornfall> as for fetchers, i wanted to redo the api, mainly, not the methods
[10:12] <Verwilst> hellow!
[10:19] <insanekane> is there some way to download bksys ?
[10:22] <insanekane> err, install bksys using apt-get :)
[12:36] <pef> hello
[03:22] <\sh> looks like fedora has patches for libvisual and libvisual_plugins to build with gcc4
[03:22] <Riddell> \sh: steal them!
[03:23] <Riddell> (and send them upstream because fedora never will)
[03:24] <\sh> yeah
[03:36] <\sh> well...actually it's no source patch...its a CFLAGS add of -mmmx
[03:44] <\sh> k
[03:44] <\sh> libvisual build now with gcc/g++-4
[03:50] <Riddell> \sh: awooga
[04:02] <Tm_T> good
[04:06] <\sh> but libvisual_plugins is b0rked
[04:08] <Tm_T> even better ;)
[04:13] <Tm_T> Riddell: is there some material (like text and pics) about Kubuntu somewhere? I think I will keep short demonstration(?) of it in school
[04:14] <apokryphos> there were some slides Riddell used at the last Ubuntu talk which hit on some of the major points; loadsa screenies from OSDnews to steal from
[04:14] <Riddell> KubuntuArtwork for logos
[04:14] <apokryphos> Edubuntu is good for schools, but no KDE desktop :-O
[04:15] <Riddell> see my blog for the slides
[04:15] <Riddell> KDE + kdeedu == edubuntu :)
[04:15] <Riddell> + LTSP to be fair
[04:15] <apokryphos> kedubuntu :D
[04:16] <apokryphos> not + KDE -- they only have some k-edu packs there
[04:16] <\sh> apokryphos: all kdeedu packages 
[04:17] <\sh> apokryphos: which is quite nice..because we can show the world that gnome and kde are working together in the education business
[04:17] <\sh> ,-)
[04:17] <apokryphos> yup :)
[04:18] <\sh> but I think riddell has to talk to ogra for doing akedubuntu release :)
[04:18] <apokryphos> is it possible for Riddell to do any more? Isn't he involved in like a zillion things already :D
[04:25] <jjesse> apokryphos: as long as Riddell gets my stylesheets changed he can do as much as he wants to :)
[04:25] <jjesse> you know one day he is going to just get sick of me bugging him about it
[04:26] <apokryphos> 8)
[04:35] <Riddell> jjesse: no, you need to keep poking me
[05:30] <Tm_T> Riddell: thanks
[05:30] <Riddell> Drakeson: any ideas for what to put on kubuntu CDs?
[05:31] <Drakeson> Oh I'm so outdated! what's going on? which CD's?
[05:31] <Tm_T> Riddell: in "speaking english" course we have to do some and I thought I will do about Kubuntu and this way make it more knowledged
[05:31] <Drakeson> you mean cd covers?
[05:33] <Riddell> Drakeson: yes
[05:33] <Riddell> Tm_T: excellent :)
[05:34] <Riddell> Drakeson: current options are for another konqi image (in which case I'd have to find basse or kubuntu-girl)
[05:35] <Drakeson> when is the deadline? I'll try to make up something now
[05:35] <Riddell> Drakeson: as soon as possible I guess
[05:37] <Drakeson> an unrelated question, will we have that "DejaVi" issue in the CD's as well?
[05:37] <Riddell> Drakeson: DejaVu is on the CD
[05:38] <Drakeson> good.
[05:38] <Riddell> Drakeson: thetypo is fixed in an update in breezy-updates but we can't change the CD unfortunatly
[05:38] <Riddell> but breezy-updates is installed during install if you have an internet connection
[05:39] <Drakeson> that's a little frustrating ;)
[05:41] <Riddell> we very nearly didn't have anti-aliased fonts on KDM so think yourself lucky :)
[05:43] <Drakeson> what was the issue? I have noticed that sometimes I had antialias there and sometimes didn't.
[05:45] <Riddell> kdmrc wasn't set up properly
[05:47] <pef_aw> Riddell: hello Jonathan
[05:49] <Riddell> hi pef 
[05:50] <pef> Riddell: not too tired because of yesterday ? :] 
[05:50] <Riddell> pef: what happened yesterday?
[05:50] <pef> Riddell: you was very busy with KDE
[05:50] <Riddell> that's the case every day :)
[05:51] <Drakeson> There was(is) also a problem with the ksplash, and that's because of the splash engine (Default). the problem is the default engine may change the splash_bottom.png size (actually crops it) according to the font used, and that makes it look bad. that was frustrating we don't have a really suitable engine in kde yet.
[05:51] <Riddell> Drakeson: we will probably use moodin for dapper, see revu for the package
[05:51] <Riddell> moodin can do lots of fancy things, I'm sure you'll have fun playing with it :)
[05:52] <Drakeson> yeah moodine looks much better.
[05:52] <pef> Riddell: my email address is whitelisted, can you have a look at qtparted and kdissert on revu ? if you think it's ok I will upload them
[05:53] <Drakeson> have people settled on what drake would mean for dapper?
[05:54] <pef> Drakeson: the poll doesn't seems to be closed http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/115
[05:56] <Riddell> pef: debian now has kdissert in experimental, please merge them
[05:57] <Drakeson> is kdissert going to share something with umbrello?
[05:57] <pef> Riddell: ok
[05:58] <Riddell> pef: qtparted 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 is in dapper
[05:58] <Riddell> looks like I uploaded it
[05:58] <Riddell> Drakeson: no, what would it share?
[05:59] <Drakeson> I am not sure yet but I have imagined a whole lot's of things that can be naturally done through an extended kdissert
[05:59] <pef> Riddell: you're right, sorry :)
[06:00] <Drakeson> I'll try to write them, then.
[06:00] <Riddell> pef: you should install qtparted from the ubntu archives and make sure it runs as the final step
[06:01] <Drakeson> I have recently discovered that gem (kdissert) and I got really frustrated when tnagy told me he has almost abondoned the developement of kdissert in favour of bksys.
[06:02] <Drakeson> anyway, back to graphics stuff ;)
[06:02] <Riddell> Drakeson: that's fair enough, bksys is an important project that the whole of KDE will depend on
[06:03] <pef> Riddell: already done, I haven't find anything special
[06:04] <Riddell> pef: groovy
[06:33] <pef> Riddell: when there is a new upstream release, what's the best thing to do, waiting for debian package then sync him, or upload the new release to archive ?
[06:54] <Mez> Riddell: do you know an easy way to stop windows showing the composite shadow?
[07:32] <Riddell> pef: I think we can sync from experimental so make sure the debian package compiles fine and ask elmo to sync from experimental
[07:33] <Riddell> pef: but I'm not why it's using a strage version number so it might be a good idea to ask the debian maintainer why
[07:39] <\sh> i'm doomed
[07:39] <\sh> libvisual needs ppc love..
[07:40] <\sh> and I saw this patch as well on fedora....but it should be applied in the debian package as well...
[07:48] <pef> Riddell: I'm not talking about a special package, but as a general question :)
[08:30] <Drakeson> Riddell: ping
[08:37] <Riddell> Drakeson: yo
[08:37] <Drakeson> I have made a few sketches, and put them here: http://gazor3.ece.queensu.ca/~hon/Drakeson/index.html
[08:43] <Tm_T> is this normal? I put datacd in -> konqueror automounts and open window (even when I told NOT to) and only way to remove cd is say "eject" as root
[08:44] <Tm_T> even when its unmounted
[08:44] <Tm_T> and cd keep spinning and led flashing
[08:45] <pef> bye !
[08:45] <Tm_T> this does explain why I can't rip cds or even properly play (skip some tracks)
[08:45] <Tm_T> any ideas whats wrong or howto debug
[08:45] <Drakeson> it happens for me either. and I have no idea why
[08:46] <Tm_T> using KDE 3.5b2 ?
[08:46] <Drakeson> yep
[08:47] <Tm_T> :p
[08:47] <Tm_T> Riddell: I think we found a bug then, right?
[08:48] <Drakeson> Riddell: wha'dya think? (those CD covers)
[08:49] <Tm_T> huoh
[08:49] <Tm_T> any ideas how to rip music then? (I don't own separate cd player (not proper one)
[08:50] <Tm_T> )
[08:51] <Tm_T> Drakeson: this problem appeared recently, right?
[08:53] <Drakeson> I am not sure, I cannot remember if it worked correctly in breezy even for once ;)
[08:58] <Tm_T> :p
[08:58] <Tm_T> I ripped couple albums about a month (?) ago
[09:14] <Tm_T> bah: 2005-09-08
[09:14] <Tm_T> that make two months ago
[09:24] <Riddell> Drakeson: nice...
[09:24] <Drakeson> good :)
[09:24] <Riddell> but...
[09:24] <Riddell> I don't know how many colours we have on the CDs themselves
[09:25] <Drakeson> ?
[09:25] <Riddell> printing on CDs isn't like printing on the covers, I don't think we can have gradients
[09:25] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/art/hoary-cds/
[09:25] <Drakeson> I have never designed a cd cover before, so I may be totally lost
[09:25] <Riddell> start with the sleve I think
[09:26] <Riddell> sleeve
[09:26] <Riddell> but we should have a figure on the sleeve
[09:26] <Riddell> something other than just your pretty graphics, which you are very good at
[09:27] <Riddell> like one of the konqis or kubuntu-girl
[09:27] <Riddell> http://www.kulma.org/linux/kde/kone.php?categ=kubuntu
[09:27] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kubuntu-gurl/images.html
[09:28] <Drakeson> do you have a pretty image from UBZ? :D
[09:28] <Riddell> not really
[09:46] <Riddell> Drakeson: I think something in your theme would be cool, but it also needs more than just graphic design patters
[09:47] <Drakeson> yeah, I got it ;)
[09:47] <Drakeson> I am thinking of a cool image or ...
[10:15] <Riddell> mornfall: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperPackageManager
[10:15] <Riddell> mornfall: I need a sentence or two for .deb installer
[10:16] <Riddell> mornfall: and I'm not sure what the advanced problem resolution algorithm is
[10:18] <Tm_T> Drakeson: ah, actually last rip I made: 2005-10-05
[10:18] <Tm_T> Drakeson: so, have to find out what's changed after that
[10:19] <Drakeson> using breezy (rc, ...) or hoary?
[10:19] <Tm_T> breezy propably
[10:19] <Tm_T> yes
[10:20] <Tm_T> hmm, when beta2 came out?
[10:20] <Riddell> mornfall: .deb installer implementation that is
[10:20] <Riddell> /whois/whois mornfall 
[10:20] <Riddell> hmm
[10:20] <Tm_T> :p
[10:20] <Tm_T> just say /WII mornfall 
[10:20] <Riddell> ?
[10:21] <Tm_T> WII (whois whois)
[10:21] <Tm_T> 23:20 -!-  idle     : 0 days 0 hours 43 mins 16 secs [signon: Tue Nov  1 15:20:18 2005] 
[10:21] <Tm_T> that's what you were looking for?
[10:23] <Riddell> irssi does not know WII
[10:24] <Tm_T> does here
[10:25] <Tm_T> or atleast wii
[10:25] <Tm_T> I did a moment ago /WII mornfall 
[10:25] <Tm_T> ;)
[10:27] <Tm_T> actually it's defined in config
[10:34] <mornfall> what's with mornfall?
[10:37] <mornfall> Riddell: advanced problem resolution -- a bit like what aptitude does -- get better in avoiding breaking packages
[10:38] <mornfall> Riddell: not too much priority for now, it's rare scenario unless you use some sort of unofficial repository -- and you are on your own by then anyway
[10:39] <Riddell> mornfall: like apt-get -f install
[10:39] <Riddell> ?
[10:39] <mornfall> Riddell: just actually useful :-))
[10:39] <Riddell> yes
[10:40] <Riddell> got a sentence or two about .deb installer implementation?
[10:40] <mornfall> Riddell: for .deb installer, it's about that what you say there... maybe that it will probably take a form of few-step wizard
[10:40] <mornfall> Riddell: (probably :))
[10:41] <Riddell> mornfall: yes but how, there were about 3 different ways to do it yesterday
[10:42] <mornfall> Riddell: (like, clicking a package gives you a welcome screen telling you some info about the package and giving you option to install it... if there's not enough space in first screen (likely), put an overview of changes it will do to your system to second one and then the usual "commit")
[10:42] <mornfall> Riddell: for implementation, that's to be decided... it'll be either via local repository managed by libapt-front (the probably-easy one) or by reading in the info out from the .deb and doing something with it
[10:48] <Tm_T> :(
[10:48] <Tm_T> Drakeson: heh, now I found out that I can't play cd any other app but KsCD
[10:49] <Drakeson> does it have anything to do with the hal issue?
[10:49] <Tm_T> I have no idea
[10:49] <Tm_T> I mean even cdplay refuses to play it
[10:50] <Drakeson> I have no clue either
[10:51] <Tm_T> hah, just installed cdcd ... no luck
[10:54] <Tm_T> player does find tracks...
[10:54] <Tm_T> that's about all
[10:58] <Riddell> mornfall: groovy, thanks
[10:58] <Riddell> mornfall: mvo reminded me that daniel burrows will probably be putting his advanced problem reolution stuff into libapt so every frontend can use that
[11:08] <mornfall> Riddell: yes i know
[11:11] <Tm_T> Drakeson: ok, looks like there is possible driver borkage
[11:12] <Drakeson> but did the driver change somehow? is it related to the kernel version?
[11:12] <Tm_T> dunno
[11:13] <Tm_T> but I do know that even cdparanoia doesnt manage to copy track AND dmesg gets " [4388421.151000]  atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0xaa on isa0060/serio0). " etc flood
[11:14] <Tm_T> I have no idea whats that
[11:15] <Mez> Riddell: we'll be getting katapult into debian too
[11:16] <Riddell> Mez: awooga, who uploads?
[11:17] <Tm_T> Drakeson: ok, hardware: ATAPI compatible HL-DT-ST RW/DVD GCC-4521B
[11:17] <Tm_T> Drakeson: does it match? ;)
[11:20] <Mez> isaac
[11:21] <Mez> (and eventually me)
[11:21] <Riddell> Mez: you're applying to be a debian maintainer?
[11:22] <Drakeson> Tm_T: I dont know. let's ask other guys
[11:23] <Drakeson> (perhaps #ubuntu guys can help ;) )
[11:24] <Tm_T> AH!
[11:24] <Tm_T> found something
[11:24] <Tm_T> something called kio_audio ;)
[11:24] <Tm_T> without app using it
[11:25] <Tm_T> let's see if I can finally rip something
[11:25] <Mez> Riddell, eventually :D lol
[11:25] <Mez> Riddell, I want to work with debian, but, for now, I have to do it from the sidelines :D
[11:30] <Tm_T> Drakeson: ok, so it's not drivers but kde related problem, I killed kio_audio and now I can play cd from console
[11:30] <Drakeson> cool. now le't see which app needs kio_audio. is it kaffeine?
[11:31] <Drakeson> (I don't use kaffeine myself)
[11:31] <Tm_T> me neither
[11:31] <Tm_T> Drakeson: I have no idea, but I won't use any until it's fixed
[11:58] <Tm_T> hm, ripperx seems to be proper app, use cdparanoia :)
[11:58] <Drakeson> :)
[11:58] <Drakeson> good :)
[11:59] <Tm_T> \sh: you are amarok package maintainer?