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\shslomo: I replied to the debian maintainer already...send your dpatch as attachment..12:09
seth_ksiretart, sorry to bother but did you figure out the REVU thing... without being able to login I can't comment12:10
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KyralOuch Segfault in OO.org212:57
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LaserJockhi minghua01:08
minghuahello LaserJock01:08
KyralThis stinks. I need to make a Powerpoint and OO is segfaulting on me01:11
LaserJock_awayKyral: on dapper or breezy?01:12
Kyraldapper01:12
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KyralThree different versions of OO.org201:32
Kyralall Segfault for the same reason01:33
KyralI am left with only one option01:34
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KyralI can't make a proper PowerPoint01:34
Kyralbut I can make a damn good webpage that behaves like one!01:34
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cevizogluPowerPoint is useless01:48
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Kyralcevizoglu, but I am presenting to a busniess class where PowerPoint is the rule unfortunately02:26
Kyraland once again I will pull up with a subpar thing02:26
Kyralbut damnit if it won't be proper HTML!02:27
cevizoglu:)02:27
KyralI may not have fancy backgrounds, but damnit if my XHTML and CSS won't conform to the standard!02:28
cevizogluCSS does backgrounds well02:28
KyralI know, I mean like a graphic ;P02:29
KyralI just wish I knew JavaScript so I could put in a nice transition when I click on the Next link, or hell, even map the Spacebar to the link02:29
cevizoglugoogle taught me how to do that  :)02:30
KyralI don't have enought time to Google ;P02:30
KyralWould appreciate if you could dig something up :P02:34
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hubhi02:39
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KyralAnother reason I should take out MS, so i will never be expected to make a damn PowerPoint ;P02:40
crimsundon't worry, I've already tried that02:40
crimsunyou'll end up using OpenOffice Impress instead02:40
Kyrallol02:41
KyralI can't02:41
Kyralits friggin' segfaulting02:41
cevizogluKyral, I'll see if I can whip something up02:45
Kyralty02:45
KyralI just want to get the basic stuff like content in tonight and basic structure02:46
KyralI can tweek it before class ;P02:46
schweebanyone know when the next CC meeting it?02:48
schweeb*is02:48
KyralLike next Tuesday I believe02:49
cevizogluKyral, here is a "changing picture" example... it uses settimeout and dhtml to change the image02:49
cevizogluhttp://www.subuntu.com/test.htm02:49
cevizogluyou can grab the copy locally with curl02:49
cevizogluor view source from the browser, etc.02:49
schweebany MOTUs care to vouch for me for membership?  I was approved months ago, mako never did anything with my CoC, so I got lost in the mix :-/ I no longer have my IRC logs of that meeting too :(02:50
schweebnow that I'm going to start contributing again, I figure I should get that all cleared up02:51
crimsunschweeb: documented on the wiki, correct?02:51
KyralActually I have to clean up my Wiki......I still don't know if I should go for Membership this time around...02:51
schweebcrimsun: yea, previous work is still documented on the wiki02:52
schweebcouple of packages repaired, general (occasionally) helpful IRC presence, etc...02:52
schweebhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrisScheib02:53
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crimsunschweeb: I'll vouch for you, sure, but you need to document your involvement a little more explicitly02:55
crimsunlinks to bug reports, package work, etc. are all recommended02:55
schweebspeaking of contribution... what's the "proper" way to view universe bugs in malone?02:56
schweebI couldn't figure it out02:56
crimsunyou mean the proper way to link to them?02:56
schweebno, view them, when you're looking for packages to fix and such02:57
crimsunyou should be able to just browse to Ubuntu02:58
schweebthere doesn't seem to be a good way to filter to view universe only bugs02:58
LaserJockschweeb: sometimes I use launchpad.net/people/motu/+assignedbugs but I don't think that gets everything02:59
schweebah02:59
schweebcause this link doesn't work: https://launchpad.net/malone/assigned?name=motu02:59
schweebwhich is the one that I've been trying.02:59
schweebthat's the link "assigned to: BLAH" gets you too from a normal bug view03:00
LaserJockyeah, I find launchpad to be quite confusing03:00
schweebstill got a few quirks, that's for sure03:01
schweebRequestExpired03:02
schweebA server error occurred.03:02
schweebwtf03:02
schweeb:(03:02
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KyralIt happens03:02
KyralI usually give Launchpad a while then try again :P03:02
zakamehi all03:02
schweebwait a sec... aren't most of the Ubuntu channels logged to somewhere?03:02
schweebif so, anyone know where?03:03
zakameyep03:03
crimsunfabbione's logs03:03
tritiumpeople.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs03:03
zakameand locoteam logs at ubuntu-de.org/irclogs03:03
schweebhopefully they go back ~6 months :)03:03
schweeband they do03:04
schweebscore03:04
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zakamehi slomo03:04
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LaserJockKyral:hmm maybe you need to try when more people are around ;-)03:07
crimsunKyral: wiki url?03:07
Kyrallol03:07
Kyralwiki.ubuntu.com/ChrisPeterman03:08
KyralMost of my contrib comes via the Forums03:08
Kyralhence why I linked my Forum profile03:08
zakameKyral: ooh03:08
LaserJockI know Lathiat's wiki is supposed to be good https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrentLloyd03:10
crimsunKyral: need a bit more involvement imo03:10
KyralYah, this may change over the weekend03:10
KyralHolding an installfest :D03:10
zakameKyral: yeah, keep up the good work :D03:11
Kyraland might wind up creating a LocoTeam for Potsdam NY03:11
KyralI have a lot of fun ideas (Like deploying Edubuntu into the Potsdam School District ;D)03:11
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KyralThe install day should be fun :D03:21
zakameHmmm, after uploading to REVU, what do I do next?03:22
crimsunyou wait.03:25
crimsunor keep fixing and uploading03:25
zakamecrimsun: ok :)03:26
cevizogluare there any packages which use NP-Hard algorithms?03:27
cevizogluI'm researching NP-Hard right now and I might like to jump in03:27
crimsunyou'll have better luck keeping things separate03:28
schweebwoohoo03:29
schweeb<303:29
schweebIRC logs rule03:29
cevizoglucrimsun, are you talking to zakame?03:29
schweebhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/archived/2005-05/ubuntu-meeting-2005-05-10.html03:29
crimsuncevizoglu: no, you.03:29
zakameschweeb: glad you got yours :)03:30
cevizoglucrimsun, keep what separate?03:30
crimsuncevizoglu: your research separate from packaging for the time being :p03:32
crimsunkeep in mind that any package dealing with a compiler or interpreting touches NP-hard03:32
crimsuns/interpreting/interpreter/03:33
cevizoglucrimsun, I don't want to add anything of mine to packaging, I want to understand other approaches to NP-hard03:33
crimsun(as I'm sure you know, having to deal with grammars)03:33
cevizoglucrimsun, If I add something, it would be apart from my own research03:33
crimsuncevizoglu: I don't  _think_ there's any package specifically geared to facilitate it03:34
cevizoglucrimsun, but there's no code which has to deal with NP-hard problems?03:34
schweebzakame: now I just need someone on the CC to throw me in the group on launchpad ;)03:34
crimsuncevizoglu: any language compiler or interpreter does03:35
cevizoglucrimsun, ok03:35
crimsunbut no, I doubt anyone has written a knapsack package specifically for the purpose of helping others understand P=NP, etc.03:35
crimsunor at least why we theorize that P=NP03:36
schweebnext comes motu-ness, which I still have quite a bit of work at03:36
zakameschweeb: ooh03:36
schweebs/have/have to put/03:36
schweebsilly job, interfering with my ubuntu stuff03:37
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zakamewb Kyral03:39
KyralThanks03:39
Kyralit seems that I broke Beagle somehow03:39
Kyraland then I had to reboot which meant I had to recompile the NVidia Module03:40
farruinnreboot == recompile modules? I don't follow03:46
zakameKyral: couldn't you just /etc/init.d/gdm stop,  rmmod nvidia && modprobe nvidia, then /etc/init.d/gdm start ?03:48
bmonty_laptophey alll03:49
bmonty_laptophow is UBZ going?03:49
Kyralzakame, nope03:49
KyralOkay, something is causing my CPU to spike violently03:50
Kyraland I have no clue WTF it is03:50
LaserJockhi bmonty_laptop03:51
zakameKyral: is this always, or just upon/after bootup/03:51
Kyraljust now03:51
Kyraland the System Monitor aint telling me whats doing it03:51
bmonty_laptophey LaserJock03:51
zakameeven top03:52
Kyraltop says its okay03:52
Kyralbut performance suggests that the CPU is going NUTS03:52
KyralGah why is Beagle doing this?03:52
KyralI saw its usage spike in the downward slope of the last spike03:53
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LaserJockI never have gotten Beagle to work right. I think I had a lot of CPU spikes and such. I just ended up removing it03:54
Kyralwell, it may be that I removed like 200 MB worth of files in a partions that it was indexing ;P03:54
bmonty_laptopthat could be it :)03:54
zakameKyral: yeah, maybe it's updatedb updating03:56
KyralYah it has a lot of tasks (Checked the status)03:56
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KyralHere we go again!03:56
zakamehmmm, LP's login time is too quick03:59
farruinnas in the timeout?03:59
LaserJockdang, gobby has 11 bugs in 3 days old or less04:00
zakameyep... I logged in a while ago to do some translations, then, when committing them, I get an auth error telling me I'm not logged in :(04:00
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Kyraltask done ;P04:04
KyralI spoke too soon *gets smashed away by the flood of indexing*04:06
LaserJockgez, what the heck are you doing? Sound like your surfing or something?04:07
KyralBeagle is taking a load of CPU Power ;P04:08
LaserJockcan't you change the niceness04:08
Kyralno...04:08
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KyralWTF Netsplit?!04:11
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KyralWas that just a NetSplit?04:12
farruinnwhat was your first clue? :P04:14
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KyralIts the first Split I've seen on Freenode04:15
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crimsunthis is the Nth of N**N04:17
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LaserJockhi azeem04:41
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Kyraloy oy oy05:38
Kyralsomeone wnats to know if the MOTU bugfixing is as fast as the main boys05:38
LaserJockfaster ;-)05:39
LaserJockI really don't know, how would you tell?05:39
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Kyralno clue05:40
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LaserJocki guess you could look at the fixes/total bugs ratio05:47
KyralHas anyone gotten Google Earth to work on Linux yet?05:51
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KyralFireAlarm! Very nice06:06
schweebKyral: ?06:07
farruinnI assume the fire alarm when off in his dorm06:08
schweebah, yea... that tends to happen once the drunks start rolling in06:11
LaserJockthat's gotta be chilly06:12
schweebchilly? how?06:13
farruinnwe go to school in the same town (different schools though) and I had one at 3 AM last year. During winter :(06:13
schweebit's actually fairly warm out in MI at least06:13
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schweebwhere you at farruinn06:13
farruinnPotsdam, NY06:14
schweebah06:14
schweebI live a bit north of Detroit, MI06:14
schweeband yea, it's a bit early, but some drunks could be rolling in now06:14
schweebthose big red handles look mighty funny while drunk, hehe06:15
LaserJockwell, I'm in Reno, NV and it's fairly chilly06:16
LaserJockI did my undergrad in Montana and it was fun to see all the people huddled out in the snow early in the morning06:16
schweebheh. we're a bit used to snow, to say the least06:17
LaserJockwe had some Hawiians and they hardly ever had much of anything on so they usually just ran fast from building to building ;-)06:18
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LaserJockhas anybody made a dapper pbuilder recently?06:23
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KyralAnother one! This time PFD (Potsdam Fire Depo) came06:23
KyralLaserJock, I od06:23
Kyralbut I need shower + bed06:23
LaserJockcan I ask a really quick question first?06:24
schweebLaserJock: I had ethiopians at my school in MI, had never seen snow before06:24
schweeber not ethiopians, kenyans06:24
LaserJockschweeb: yeah, I think we had some Texans like that ;-)06:25
schweebstupid alcohol, makes my brain slow06:25
LaserJock libreadline5: Depends: readline-common but it is not installed06:25
schweebcept it's snowed in Texas06:25
KyralLaserJock, nope, unless you wanna see me naked06:25
LaserJock Kyral: ^^ that's the error I am getting when I try to create a dapper pbuilder06:27
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schweebLaserJock: do a man pbuilder, and see if there's an option to add extra packages06:28
schweebLaserJock: or you could find the file that pbuilder uses to determine the packages to install, and modify that manually (and file a bug)06:28
schweebnot sure if it uses debootstrap or what06:28
schweeb(I'd help, but I don't have debootstrap or pbuilder installed)06:28
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LaserJockdang, didn't work06:34
Mirno:)06:35
LaserJockalright, I gotta go but if I don't get it too work I will file a bug report06:36
tritiumgood night, LaserJock06:36
LaserJockcya tritium. I hope to have some more MOTUScience stuff this weekend06:36
tritiumLaserJock, cool06:37
KyralLJ06:37
Kyralgimme a sec to get dressed06:37
LaserJockbut tomorrow I have to run the lasers so I don't know how much I can do06:37
LaserJockKyral: ok06:37
Kyraland what does MOTUScience do?06:38
schweebLaserJock: file a bug anyways06:38
schweebI'm sure you're not the only one who has the problem06:38
LaserJockwell, I hope to take better care of science packages06:38
KyralI did too06:38
LaserJockschweeb: will do06:38
schweebremember, bugs aren't just for helping you, they're for helping everyone06:38
schweeb:)06:39
Kyralbut I just renamed my Breezy-base.tgz to Dapper-base.tgz and upgraded it to Dapper06:39
schweebeven confirming bugs is helpful06:39
schweeboh06:39
KyralLaserJock, I may be interested in joining your MOTU Team06:39
schweebheh06:39
schweebKyral: you can use debootstrap --download-only iirc06:40
Kyralschweeb, I already had it there and it was easier ;P06:40
schweebyea, it's easier at this point in devel, sure06:40
schweeb:)06:40
LaserJockwell, I am trying to make a dapper pbuilder from scratch just to do it06:41
LaserJockKyral: if you are interested in the MOTUScience team go to https://launchpad.net/people/motuscience/ and join06:43
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KyralLJ: Tomorrow, tongiht I'm beat06:43
Kyraland somehow getting lag like NUTS06:43
LaserJockKyral: me too06:43
LaserJockgood night everybody!06:43
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Gloubiboulgahello07:13
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zygamorning motus :)09:04
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zakamehi all09:25
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zakamehi vuntz09:28
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zakamehi all11:13
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schweebyay, my membership status should be all set up RSN11:34
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pefhello12:35
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Kyralmornin'01:33
slomo_hi Kyral01:35
KyralOkay, next CC meeting is at 1400 UTC. Which means....0900 EST?01:36
slomo_Kyral: date --utc01:36
KyralEST is 5 hours behind UTC...01:37
Kyralyah that would be right01:38
KyralI guess that solves the question as if I will go for Ubuntu Membership this time around01:38
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KyralI'll be effectively at class at that time ;P01:39
KyralWait next Tuesday.....8 AM Chem Lab...I will be in class ;P01:49
\shmoins01:52
Kyralmions?01:53
\shKyral: no....moins is a short form of "moin moin" and means "good morning"01:53
Kyralah01:53
slomo_hi \sh01:53
Kyralmoins to you then :D01:54
\shbut it's a wonderful day...friday, i have a cold, my throat is sored somehow01:54
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\shbut good to know, that my body was fighting the cold until yesterday01:55
KyralUBZ winding down?01:55
\shlooks like01:56
\shi was wondering how long it took to get ill...coming from germany with 20 degrees C to montreal with under 10 deg C01:56
Kyralhmm, its 2 degrees C here01:57
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\shwell..running around only with a shirt and all our smoking bofs here...01:58
Kyrallol01:58
KyralThis is one of the many reasons why I don't smoke ;P01:59
\shanyways...when I'm coming home..I have one week more to get rid of the cold01:59
\shbut my headache is driving me crazy01:59
KyralTea will be good for both I believe02:00
\shKyral: do u know if they have roiboosh tea here?02:01
Kyralroiboosh tea? Never heard of it. What is it?02:01
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\shredbush tea :)02:02
Kyralthough it sounds familar02:02
\shwell...i have to ask our ZA guys around here02:02
KyralYou should be able to find it somewhere in Montreal02:02
KyralI mean its a huge city02:02
Kyral"Its like New York City! Only Better!" - One of the locals I ran into a couple weeks ago02:02
\shok breakfast02:03
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zakameehlo everyone.name02:31
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zakamewb ogra03:11
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kokehey, I need some help with https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/libflash/+bug/382903:16
kokeI'm pretty sure it has to be a naming policy on debian-policy03:16
kokebut I can't find it03:16
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zakamewb dholbach03:22
dholbachhey zakame03:23
zakamekoke: hmm, if d-p ought to be strictly followed, that would have been libflashX, where X matches the SONAME03:23
zakamedholbach: I was able to upload my first (library) package for Ubuntu yesterday :)03:24
dholbachwow03:26
dholbachcool03:26
kokezakame: it's libflash0c203:27
zakamekoke: yep, just saw the LP page now :)  iirc there was already a gplflash metapackage...03:28
kokemaybe it could work to just change the descriptions from GPL Flash to gplflash03:32
zakamekoke: hmm, that's just the same, with only minor diff... not really viable unless you're a legalist :)03:37
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kokethe only problem seems to be that people searches for gplflash03:38
kokeand get no results03:38
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zakamekoke: hmmm, you're right03:40
zakamekoke: then again, I'd search for `flash' not `gplflash' 'coz I'm more concerned with getting a working flash implementation, from a user perspective :)03:41
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mgalvinhi all04:21
mgalvini got cegui_mk2 0.4.0 and ogre3d 1.0.5 built and uploaded to revu, would anyone possibly have some time to take a peek at them?04:22
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zakamehmmm, how do I know if someone is looking at my package in REVU?04:26
ajmitchzakame: you don't, currently :)04:27
zakameajmitch: ah, ok :)  so how long does a package stay in REVU until its rejected or accepted?04:28
Lathiatzakame: undefined04:29
zakamehmm..04:31
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hublathiat: we start the zeroconf bof04:33
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Lathiathub: i just updated the ZeroCOnfSpec page04:35
Lathiathub: take a look and pass around :)04:35
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zakamebye all05:07
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siretart_does lucas nussbaum happen to be around here?06:28
siretart_anyone knows if he already has some public archive for his motu-tools package?06:29
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slomohunger: apt-get install dh-make06:47
hungerslomo: Oh, stupid me. I assumed it to be part of debhelper.06:48
hungerslomo: Thanks!06:49
slomonp :)06:49
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schweebwassup ogra09:50
ograBOFs and meetings all over the place09:51
schweebfinally got the whole membership all cleared up, all official in launchpad and everything  :)09:52
schweebnow I should get me one of them pretty hostmasks :p09:52
schweebtrolled malone and couldn't find much universe related to do earlier :(09:53
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\shUnfrgiven: ping10:12
\shsiretart: didn't we have a link to some pdfs with the content of Unfrgivens introdeveldocs?10:13
crimsunschweeb: eh? There are tons of things10:13
siretart\sh: introdeveldocs is on revu, I don't know where it is actually located10:15
\shsiretart: ok....doesn't matter10:15
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MOSMarauderHi FOLKS11:03
MOSMarauderanyone here who knows about a THAI ubuntu version?11:03
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minghuaMOSMarauder: Thai is noted as th in locale, right?11:10
minghuaMOSMarauder: if so, I doubt it, since Thai don't even have debian-installer translations11:10
MOSMaraudershit11:13
MOSMarauderthats exactly what i need11:14
MOSMaraudera Thai DVD install11:14
MOSMarauderor better THAI INstall DVD ;)11:14
MOSMaraudercuz most times in TH they have slow inet conns11:14
minghuaMOSMarauder: good time to start a translation team :-)11:15
MOSMarauderwhat i need to translate ?11:15
MOSMarauder*G*11:15
KyralHeya11:15
minghuaMOSMarauder: I don't know if ubuntu has special translation teams.  I work in debian-installer translation team on Debian side11:18
MOSMarauderk11:19
crimsunrosetta's a good place to start, MOSMarauder11:19
MOSMarauderbeen ther .. translated there some things -> german ;)11:20
MOSMaraudere11:20
minghuacrimsun: I just skimmed rosetta packages, it seems they don't cover d-i, do they?11:22
crimsunminghua: not in a position to answer, sorry. Ping Kamion or pitti.11:23
crimsun(my hunch is that they don't cover d-i)11:23
minghuacrimsun: okay, it's not an important question anyway, I'd better not bother them :-)11:23
minghuaespecially that I'm not planning to work for rosetta11:24
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LaserJockKyral: hola11:38
KyralHey Boss, I think I found a good proggy for MOTU Science11:38
LaserJockyeah, what is it?11:39
Kyralhttp://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=112311:39
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KyralEven better they are actually looking for people to make debpacks for them11:40
LaserJockKyral: yeah, I saw that11:41
LaserJocklooks promising11:41
KyralShall we contact them and offer to take care of Ubuntu/Debian?11:41
LaserJockKyral: if you want to. I think it looks pretty good, especially if they are looking for .deb maintainers11:43
KyralCool11:43
KyralAnd I happen to have Sid, Sarge, Breezy, and Dapper PBuilders ;P11:43
LaserJockyeah, I got Breezy and Dapper squared away today11:44
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KyralI'll look to see how easy of a build it is11:47
MezKyral: hehe I need a sid pbuild right now but it's broken11:49
KyralWhee! Looks like AutoConf! dh_make should have no problem11:49
KyralMez I just made a Sarge PBuilder, copied the base.tgz, and upgraded it using Sid apt lines11:50
MezKyral: it's just that the sid wont build thats all11:50
Kyralah11:50
KyralLaserJock, you wanna email them?11:51
KyralYou are the team leader after all11:51
LaserJockok, I will. also, check out our wiki page11:52
KyralYah I have to add myself11:52
LaserJockKyral: been there, done that ;-)11:53
Kyraleh?11:53
\shMOTUs / MOTUs wanna be LISTEN UP11:54
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KyralYessir?11:54
\shWe will schedule a special UBZ MOTU meeting tomorrow (Canadian time). Right now, we don't know the time but stay alarmed....a lot things have to be discussed, ressources assigned etc.11:55
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crimsunthat sounds pretty dire11:55
crimsun"alarmed?"11:55
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KyralUhoh11:55
KyralUmm, LJ, tell me the time, I gotta go meet people for dinner, okay?11:55
KyralOr even better, someone send an email out over the Devel list11:56
LaserJockKyral: ok, and I will email the FlowDesigner people11:56
Kyralkk ;P11:56
ajmitch\sh: I'll try & be awake then :)11:58
\shif anyone can update the topic, please do with the "pre" announcement of the meeting...somehow I can't do it11:58
crimsunI don't have chanserv access for this channel, but others do11:58
\shok...will deal later11:59
LaserJockajmitch: were you going to write up the minutes from the last meeting?11:59
\shwith it11:59

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