[12:22] <mhz> ogra: any special reason why on www.edubuntu.org, the manifesto talks about edubuntu except on the last paragraph?
[12:33] <mhz> ogra: any special reason why on www.edubuntu.org, the manifesto talks about edubuntu except on the last paragraph?
[12:36] <dabaR> hehe, doesnt look like it.
[12:36] <mhz> dabaR: hi. What you mean?
[12:37] <dabaR> mhz: hey. does not look like there is  a reason for it.
[12:37] <mhz> oohh
[12:37] <mhz> :)
[12:37] <dabaR> mhz: nice to talk to you.
[12:37] <mhz> hehe, same from here
[12:37] <dabaR> what are you up to right now, what are you working on?
[12:37] <dabaR> it sounds misteriously interesting...
[12:37] <mhz> editing EdubuntuCommunity
[12:38] <mhz> wiking a tiny how to IRC
[12:38] <dabaR> writing, or wiking?
[12:38] <mhz> any diff? :)
[12:38] <dabaR> a typo diff.
[12:39] <dabaR> what are you writing? pastebin it, or publish what you had written so far, plz
[12:39] <dabaR> mhz: I work on ubotu's factoids sometimes, and Im doing school now.
[12:40] <dabaR> edubotu:))
[12:40] <dabaR> with a ruler
[12:41] <dabaR> ogra is mr edubuntu?
[12:42] <mhz> yes
[12:42] <mhz> indeed
[12:42] <dabaR> so are you going to publish?
[12:42] <mhz> you can visit http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCommunity
[12:42] <dabaR> thanks
[12:43] <mhz> and i need to finish it but I 1st gotta take my dauther to bath
[12:43] <mhz> :)
[12:43] <dabaR> are you going to write GnuLinux too?
[12:43] <mhz> of course :)
[12:43] <mhz> or you can go ahead
[12:43] <dabaR> why not just link to gnu.org?
[12:43] <dabaR> there is already enough info on the net
[12:43] <mhz> god point
[12:43] <mhz> feel free
[12:44] <mhz> i agree
[12:44] <dabaR> good:)
[12:44] <mhz> please, if you do it, link it to some gnulinux self explanatory url :D
[12:44] <mhz> gotta run now or wife will kick my Chilean butt
[12:44] <mhz> :)
[12:47] <dabaR> what this --> http://www.gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.html ?
[12:49] <dabaR> janew is on Comcast.
[01:30] <jsgotangco> heya kjcole 
[02:05] <jane_> Comcast? what where?
[02:33] <mhz_shower> re
[03:46] <arkan0x> mhz, ? ping 
[03:46] <mhz> pong
[03:47] <mhz> arkan0x: estoy ordenandome con varias cosas para ir manana
[03:47] <mhz> arkan0x: please visit this page ans see if your WiFi Card is listed http://wiki.edubuntu.org/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[03:48] <mhz> si no lo esta, dime para agregarla o agregala tu mismo. Claro que para wikiear paginas debes estar insrito primero en LaunchPad
[03:50] <arkan0x> mhz, ;D , no problem si no puedes ir mannana , osea igual la family primero :P , yo te cuente despues XD ,y por lo switch , yo voy a llebar el mio igual pa testear 
[03:52] <arkan0x> mhz,  D-Link
[03:52] <arkan0x> 
[03:52] <arkan0x> DWL-650  esa teno yo
[03:52] <arkan0x> y funca altiro , segun mi experiencia y la del wiki
[03:52] <mhz> pero la viste en la lista ya?
[03:52] <arkan0x> sep
[03:52] <mhz> perfecto!
[03:52] <arkan0x> mhz ,tengo una duda ... :P
[03:53] <mhz> re CDSL/ en una de esas si es factible que aparezca cerca de las 12 y despues me vaya a buscar a Lucas (mi hijo) para llevarlo a la casa (aloja alla)
[03:53] <mhz> alla = aca en Maestranza :)
[03:53] <mhz> arkan0x: shoot
[03:53] <arkan0x> aa okis
[03:54] <arkan0x> mhz , eske el otro dia estaba testeando edubuntu contra mi notebook antiguo , que en la bios sale pa botear desde nic cardbus(osea desde la red) y googleando piye que ltsp no peskaba muy bien las pcmcia
[03:55] <arkan0x> y en etherboot tampoko encontre imagenes pa mi pcmcia , ke es un xircom 
[03:55] <arkan0x> una xircom
[03:55] <mhz> arkan0x: aahhhh, re buen punto!!
[03:56] <mhz> en una de esas... tu estas en edubuntu mailing list?
[03:56] <arkan0x> mmm nu
[03:56] <arkan0x> me le voy a suscribir
[03:56] <arkan0x> al vuelo
[03:57] <mhz> de mas
[03:57] <mhz> rlz
[03:57] <mhz> hehe
[03:58] <arkan0x> mhz, seria edubuntu-devel ?
[03:58] <mhz> yep
[04:00] <arkan0x> mhz, tengo consultas sobre moin , voy pal canal moin ?
[04:01] <mhz> nos vemos alla?
[03:20] <JaneW> who is raven / ubuntun?
[03:21] <jsgotangco> heya JaneW 
[03:22] <juliux> hi JaneW 
[03:25] <highvoltage> hi JaneW, jsgotangco and juliux 
[03:26] <juliux> hi highvoltage 
[03:39] <JaneW> hi all
[03:40] <highvoltage> JaneW: what's the time there?
[03:43] <jsgotangco> probably around 11am
[03:43] <ajmitch_> 9:43am :)
[03:45] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[03:45] <jsgotangco> still ealry
[03:46] <JaneW> jsgotangco: what's the time where you are?
[03:47] <jsgotangco> almost 11pm
[03:48] <JaneW> wow, big difference
[03:48] <highvoltage> 16:50 here.
[03:49] <jsgotangco> well im on the other side of the world in the first place
[03:49] <highvoltage> JaneW: how is UBZ treating you?
[03:49] <jsgotangco> but for me, 11pm is only the start of the night :)
[03:49] <highvoltage> i've been wondering a lot.
[03:50] <jsgotangco> JaneW: is UBZ more fun?
[04:37] <mhz> hi
[04:38] <pitux> hello mhz
[04:38] <mhz> holas
[04:38] <mhz> voy saliendo al CDSL en uno 20 mins
[04:38] <pitux> que hay ahi?
[04:39] <pitux> install fest?
[04:39] <mhz> nop
[04:39] <mhz> asamblea
[04:39] <pitux> aahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[04:39] <pitux> no tenia idea
[04:39] <pitux> oye tengo que hablar algo super importante contigo
[04:40] <mhz> juega
[04:40] <pitux> que tiene que ver con la generacion de contenido matematico libre y su incorporacion a distros educativas como edubuntu
[04:40] <mhz> juega
[04:41] <mhz> y por que no nos vemos en el CDSL?
[04:41] <mhz> o prefieres por aca?
[04:41] <pitux> hoy en la ma~nana estuve viendo que el proyecto matematicas libre a nivel nacional va muy lenteja nadie se pone las pilas y por mas esfuerzos que se hace no se ha podido concretar mucho
[04:41] <mhz> o me llamas al 3129513?
[04:41] <pitux> lo que pasa es que debo lavar ropa
[04:41] <mhz> o me llamas al 3129513?
[04:41] <mhz> lo hacemos mas rapido y corto
[04:41] <mhz> :D
[04:41] <pitux> a que hora es la reunion en el Cdsl?
[04:42] <mhz> ya empezaron :)
[04:42] <mhz> yo voy a ayudar
[04:42] <pitux> ahhhhh y hasta que hora es
[04:43] <mhz> ni idea
[04:43] <mhz> pero me llamas al tiro?
[04:43] <pitux> lo que pasa es que no te puedo llamar
[04:43] <mhz> ahh
[04:43] <pitux> tengo un plan y ya estoy pasado en minutos
[04:43] <mhz> hehehehee
[04:43] <mhz> te llamo yo?
[04:43] <mhz> dame #
[04:44] <mhz> casa, supongo?
[04:44] <pitux> igual me da lata pero filo
[04:44] <mhz> ok, entonces dale por aca nomas
[04:44] <pitux> si pos
[04:44] <pitux> 5275544
[04:45] <mhz> pero no te da lata que te llame me digiste?
[04:45] <mhz> dijiste?
[04:45] <pitux> ya filo
[04:45] <pitux> la cuestion
[04:46] <pitux> es que conozco gente de Peru, Colombia argentina, ecuador y venezuela que trabaja con software libre y matematica
[04:46] <pitux> ademas de Chile obvio
[04:46] <mhz> ya
[04:46] <pitux> asi que quiero empezar a motivarlos para formar matematicaslibre.org
[04:46] <mhz> ya
[04:46] <pitux> y se que se va a mover mas el asunto
[04:47] <mhz> te propongo algo
[04:47] <jsgotangco> no habla espanol
[04:47] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:47] <pitux> esto estaria directamente ligado a que se quiere conseguir a nivel latinoamricano respecto a educacion matematica
[04:48] <mhz> jsgotangco: sorry, does it bother you? (we can use pv but we thought this may be interesting for other as well)
[04:48] <pitux> que me propones?
[04:48] <jsgotangco> mhz: no just teasing :)
[04:48] <jsgotangco> but we're logged
[04:48] <mhz> que tal si hablamos con JaneW y le contamos lo que deseamos hacer como Edubuntu LoCo team or algo
[04:48] <mhz> jsgotangco: hehe, thx
[04:49] <JaneW> mhz: huh? ;)
[04:49] <mhz> hehe
[04:49] <mhz> JaneW: hi ther
[04:49] <JaneW> hi mhz
[04:49] <pitux> ok cool
[04:49] <pitux> your helpme in the traslation
[04:49] <jsgotangco> hey JaneW again
[04:49] <pitux> please mhz
[04:49] <mhz> JaneW: pitux and I are discussing about matematicaslibre (free math content for education)
[04:50] <mhz> we thought that 'maybe' you'd (we the edubuntors) may be interested
[04:51] <mhz> JaneW: what if we had edubuntu subprojects regarding contents
[04:51] <JaneW> such as?
[04:52] <mhz> i.e. free math contents
[04:52] <JaneW> sure
[04:52] <mhz> I mean,
[04:52] <mhz> Edubuntu is the distro and apps
[04:53] <mhz> but what if we had some repos. or something that teachers , students and communitiy in general could get content from
[04:53] <mhz> history, language, math, etc
[04:53] <mhz> Keduca, i.e., has the ability to get tests from http
[04:53] <JaneW> yes absolutely that would be great
[04:53] <JaneW> if we could get community input for that it would REALLY help
[04:54] <mhz> or maybe ATP-GET math_content
[04:54] <mhz> exactly
[04:54] <mhz> thats our point
[04:54] <pitux> build a package with content maths contents
[04:54] <mhz> tool + content + cross curricular activitiies
[04:54] <pitux> for primary secundary university etc
[04:54] <mhz> yep
[04:54] <mhz> jsgotangco: what do you think?
[04:55] <mhz> JaneW: i think that we would kick some butts with stuff like that 
[04:55] <jsgotangco> are you talking about meta packages?
[04:55] <mhz> we add much more value
[04:55] <mhz> jsgotangco: don't know
[04:55] <mhz> jsgotangco: you are the developer
[04:56] <mhz> i am just a person with ideas
[04:56] <mhz> :)
[04:56] <jsgotangco> if i get it right, if one guy does apt-get install math_content, all math related apps are installed?
[04:56] <JaneW> mhz: seriously we'd LOVE that cos it's the kind of stuff we have spoken about but haven't had the time to look at it at all...
[04:56] <mhz> jsgotangco: hmm, nop
[04:56] <mhz> JaneW: is that a Yes let's go for it?
[04:56] <jsgotangco> mhz: i don't get the idea then
[04:57] <jsgotangco> mhz: afaik, some people outside ubuntu make their own repos to work with ubuntu
[04:57] <mhz> jsgotangco: you have edubuntu. Now, if you want/need content for the tools you already installed, then get them from an edubuntu repository, ie
[04:58] <jsgotangco> mhz: for exaple, i saw a university guy made his own repo for forensic science packages for ubuntu in his own server
[04:58] <pitux> the wiki is a recommendable tool for build collaborative content
[04:58] <jsgotangco> ahh content say, curriculum?
[04:58] <mhz> jsgotangco: you'e talking about apps or contents?
[04:58] <mhz> jsgotangco: yes, excercises, tests, etc
[04:58] <pitux> contents for apps
[04:58] <pitux> for example
[04:59] <pitux> kig 
[04:59] <jsgotangco> both
[04:59] <pitux> generate content about geometric constructions for kig
[04:59] <jsgotangco> mhz: the problem i forsee here is
[04:59] <pitux> for prmary and secundary
[04:59] <jsgotangco> a. curricula is diffeerent between nations
[05:00] <mhz> In Chile, we are trying to design a kind of survey that will help us identify teachers profiles, in terms of what teachers would be rady to start using ICT, who feels reticent to, who will definately be an obstacle , etc
[05:00] <jsgotangco> b. i don't think we can host them on ubuntu servers
[05:00] <pitux> yes but shared nore tipocs
[05:00] <pitux> yes but shared more topics
[05:00] <pitux> mhz: quiero decir que hay en los curriculos hay muchos topicos en conjunto
[05:01] <mhz> jsgotangco: also, edubuntu provides the tools, But, some teachers have already asked me.. now what? How do i give this better use based on the ministry plan
[05:01] <pitux> mhz: muchos topicos comunes 
[05:01] <mhz> pitux: cross-curriculum contents
[05:02] <jsgotangco> mhz: if you would pick up my brain on the Edubuntu matter, Edubuntu provides a framework but won't spoonfeed everything, its up to you people/users to decide on how to harness that infrastructure provided, much like how launchpad is thriving at the moment.
[05:02] <mhz> jsgotangco: is that the only problem you see? any other?
[05:02] <mhz> jsgotangco: yes, i agree what edubuntu is
[05:03] <jsgotangco> mhz: not much, but definitely showstoppers in my opinion
[05:04] <mhz> jsgotangco: the point is 'motivation'. Last thursday, on this seminar on ICT for education, all the expertes were talking about edutools and stuff, and in the end they all got to the same conclusion: How can you make teachers see this tools are available but we need their help to give them value
[05:04] <mhz> jsgotangco: any sinonim for showstoppers
[05:04] <mhz> ?
[05:05] <juliux> JaneW, hi  can we calculate with the conference packs for essen/germany ?
[05:06] <jsgotangco> mhz: dude, Edubuntu is a framework, in Chile, you have your educational system that is entirely different from say, ZA, USA and PH, I don't think if I do content/curricula for Edubuntu, say im an educator in ZA, won't be usable in Chile
[05:07] <jsgotangco> mhz: you're in Chile, you're the most visible Edubuntu person there in my opinioin, you have the ideas, you're more likely to know what to do and how to execute it in an Edubuntu framework
[05:07] <mhz> jsgotangco: hmmm
[05:08] <JaneW> mhz: sure go ahead - discuss tech detaiks with ogra please.
[05:08] <JaneW> juliux: huh?
[05:08] <mhz> jsgotangco: I'd agree, except that i.e. Math is universal
[05:08] <juliux> JaneW, i have send two times a e-mail but no response
[05:08] <mhz> science in general, I'd say.
[05:09] <JaneW> juliux: mail it again to marilize@canonical.com
[05:09] <juliux> ok i will do
[05:09] <juliux> JaneW, thanks
[05:09] <jsgotangco> mhz: sure but methodoligies of teaching aren't
[05:10] <mhz> jsgotangco: and cross-curriculum contents on those areas may add very cool value. Mayb even seduce more people to use Edubuntu, and so we may need less resources to "evagelize" them :)
[05:10] <mhz> jsgotangco: that i agree 100%
[05:10] <mhz> methodologies will vary
[05:11] <mhz> jsgotangco: taking apart the pros and cons, or if this fits or not on the objectives... d'u think is technically possible? what would be the diffiulties?
[05:12] <jsgotangco> sure its possible
[05:12] <jsgotangco> its only content
[05:12] <jsgotangco> you tie up an app with your content
[05:15] <jsgotangco> ill come back later
[05:15] <jsgotangco> brb
[05:15] <mhz> by
[05:15] <mhz> bye
[05:28] <mhz> JaneW: thanks for your help.
[05:30] <mhz> JaneW: BTW, next thursaday, I have one of the key meetings regarding Edubuntu Chilean Tour, esp. for funds
[05:31] <JaneW> mhz: great I will be able to chat to you on monday I think - if you need me to
[05:31] <JaneW> have a good w/e
[05:31] <mhz> you too
[06:59] <highvoltage> edoo: JaneW 
[06:59] <edoo> JaneW is Jane Weideman
[06:59] <highvoltage> edoo: ogra
[06:59] <edoo> ogra is Oliver Grawert
[06:59] <highvoltage> edoo: mdz
[06:59] <edoo> mdz is Matt Zimmerman
[06:59] <highvoltage> edoo: mdz
[06:59] <edoo> mdz is Matt Zimmerman
[06:59] <highvoltage> edoo: mdz
[06:59] <edoo> mdz is Matt Zimmerman
[06:59] <highvoltage> weird.
[07:00] <JaneW> edoo: highvoltage
[07:00] <edoo> highvoltage is Jonathan Carter
[07:00] <JaneW> heh
[07:00] <highvoltage> edoo: mdz
[07:00] <edoo> mdz is an oppertunistic troublemaker
[07:00] <highvoltage> that's better :)
[07:00] <JaneW> LOL
[07:00] <JaneW> opportunistic btw
[07:01] <highvoltage> got that from https://launchpad.net/people/mdz
[07:01] <highvoltage> but yes, i did spell it wrong..
[07:33] <Karbonade> hellow ? i need some help with my wirless :)
[07:38] <highvoltage> Karbonate's "h" was about 17 characters to early.
[09:48] <highvoltage> edoo: goodnight
[09:48] <edoo> goodnight, highvoltage. I'll keep an eye out for the MS spies while you sleep.
[09:48] <highvoltage> edoo: edoo++
[09:48] <bluefrog-10> how do you capitalize words in bash command line, pls?
[09:49] <highvoltage> what do you mean?
[09:50] <bluefrog-10> i need to transform test in TEST
[09:51] <bluefrog-10> have been googling, found a lot of stuff, but not able to apply what's explained, and nobody answers on #bash
[10:01] <bluefrog-10> got an answer, its' tr
[11:43] <signifer123> howdy ya'll
[11:44] <signifer123> jk
[11:45] <Archeo> hello