| \sh | Tm_T: no...there are no maintainers in ubuntu | 12:19 |
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| \sh | Tm_T: but i'm working on it...as well as riddell | 12:20 |
| Tm_T | ok | 12:20 |
| Tm_T | you know 1.3.6 will be released soon? | 12:20 |
| Tm_T | 00:49 < eean> s|mon: be sure to update to 1.3.6 when it gets released this weekend or else you'll have problems again | 12:21 |
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| \sh | i need a screenshot of the k backtrace dialog.... | 01:15 |
| Lathiat | i can do that | 01:15 |
| Lathiat | give me a few hours ims ure amarok will die by then ;) | 01:16 |
| \sh | no...I need it now... | 01:16 |
| Drakeson | why not use akregator in 3.5b2 ? it dies instantly | 01:18 |
| Drakeson | ;) | 01:18 |
| Lathiat | let me try something | 01:18 |
| \sh | Riddell: do we have somewhere screenshots? | 01:19 |
| Tm_T | =) | 01:19 |
| Lathiat | trust things not to crash when i want them to ;) | 01:19 |
| Tm_T | Lathiat: artsd in beta2 | 01:19 |
| Riddell | \sh: run drkonqi and ksnapshot | 01:20 |
| Lathiat | Riddell: ahh | 01:21 |
| Tm_T | :) | 01:22 |
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| \sh | Riddell: i need the dialog as well of the mail interface to the backtraces | 01:22 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: I bet you know how to disable that automount&autorun thingie | 01:22 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: killal ivman | 01:23 |
| Tm_T | :o | 01:23 |
| Lathiat | \sh: pass --pid | 01:23 |
| Riddell | \sh: there is no mail interface, that's amarok only | 01:23 |
| Lathiat | \sh: dronkqi --help | 01:23 |
| Lathiat | drkonqi --help | 01:23 |
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| Riddell | http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-commitment.php proofreaders welcome | 02:26 |
| Riddell | required infact | 02:26 |
| apokryphos | might be a good idea to have the last two sentences in the first paragraph flow on; "and our goals" might be better (last paragraph) | 02:33 |
| apokryphos | isn't it better to recommend #kubuntu-devel for developers? Might be a good idea to mention the other ways in which people can contribute too (documentation etc) | 02:33 |
| apokryphos | (could link to the Helping Kubuntu wiki page) | 02:34 |
| apokryphos | p.s. shipit stuff sounds very exciting and promising :) | 02:34 |
| Riddell | -devel channels are usually not mentioned publicly to keep noise down, anyone who is interested in development should get told to come here though | 02:34 |
| Riddell | HelpingKubuntu is a bit out of date | 02:34 |
| Riddell | but yes, I'll do that | 02:35 |
| apokryphos | I see. Good idea | 02:35 |
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| Riddell | DrakeSon: come to montreal tomorrow! | 02:37 |
| DrakeSon | what's going on tomorrow? :D | 02:37 |
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| Riddell | Drakeson: it's my last day here | 02:43 |
| Drakeson | :( I am not sure if I can make it, but I'll try. (I have something else to do very soon) | 02:44 |
| Drakeson | and of course I really like to meet you there | 02:45 |
| Riddell | Drakeson: actually I'm here on sunday too | 02:45 |
| Riddell | but it's a day off so I don't know where I'll be | 02:46 |
| Riddell | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero/ | 02:46 |
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| seth_k|lappy | Riddell, "at the success of Kubuntu, " should be "at the success of Kubuntu: " | 03:54 |
| seth_k|lappy | "As a community project" should be "As a community project," | 03:54 |
| seth_k|lappy | " join us on #kubuntu IRC channel on the Freenode network " should be " join us on on the Freenode IRC network in channel #kubuntu " (personal preference) | 03:55 |
| seth_k|lappy | "start of the conference Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth " should be "start of the conference, Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth " | 03:56 |
| seth_k|lappy | "first class" = "first-class" | 03:56 |
| seth_k|lappy | "was evidence as the need for this" should be either "was evidence for the need for this" or "evidenced the need for this" | 03:57 |
| seth_k|lappy | and now I'm done :P | 03:57 |
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| pef | hello | 08:14 |
| Mez | bk] | 08:16 |
| Mez | nl | 08:16 |
| Mez | bk | 08:16 |
| Mez | ffs# | 08:16 |
| Mez | hi | 08:17 |
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| pef | someone using kde3.5 beta2 here ? | 08:49 |
| pef | Riddell: I've a problem with Debian's kdissert package. When I packaged myself kdissert-1.0.5, I had to patch SConstruct file to disable rpath, and Debian's maintainer seems to have modified SConstruct file by hand, without notifiying it anywhere :/ (you can see the modification on the .orig.tar.gz file http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kdissert/kdissert_1.0.5.debian.orig.tar.gz), how can I handle this ? | 08:57 |
| pef | I think I should notify maintainer so he can release a new clean package | 08:58 |
| Mez | pef: if he changed upstream, leave it as it is from debian - unless it needs to be changed back | 09:02 |
| Mez | contact the DD and ask him why the change was made, and why it was done in the way it was | 09:02 |
| pef | Mez: I've made the same modification to get rid off rpath, but I wrote a patch | 09:03 |
| Mez | and then if you still disagree with the decision to do it that way, contact a member of ubuntu-core-dev and ask them whether you should change | 09:03 |
| Mez | but, remember - we're trying to keep as minimal a delta as possible to debian, no need to recreate the work | 09:04 |
| pef | I agree the modification, but modifying upstream sources without notifying it anywhere isn't very clean :/ | 09:04 |
| Mez | then speak to the DD and ask them why it was done and if they can fix it/object to you fixing it | 09:06 |
| pef | Mez: thanks | 09:08 |
| Mez | np | 09:13 |
| Mez | but you may not want to take my advice | 09:14 |
| Mez | I'm probably wrong. | 09:14 |
| pef | Mez: I think debian's maintainer just made tests and finally forgot to mention it :) | 09:22 |
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| tabb | anyone around? | 09:28 |
| Mez | .l | 09:28 |
| Mez | .l | 09:28 |
| Mez | lo | 09:28 |
| tabb | I'm having a problem trying to install kubuntu from the DVD/CD's - it starts up and stalls at scsi [success] | 09:29 |
| tabb | i have tried with noapic nolapic with nothing changing... any ideas? | 09:29 |
| Mez | External drive? | 09:30 |
| tabb | nope... it's an Asus laptop... all that is plugged in is a external usb mouse | 09:30 |
| tabb | and i tried unplugging that as well... | 09:30 |
| Mez | ask Kamion in about 6/7 hours | 09:31 |
| tabb | ok.. in the meantime i am downloading breezy and see if that works... i have tried with ubuntu 5.04 as well and same thing happens | 09:32 |
| tabb | but i am getting the CD version... much different between the DVD install/live and CD? or is it just the live feature? | 09:33 |
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| Tonio_ | morning | 02:12 |
| Tm_T | hi Tonio_ | 02:18 |
| Tm_T | what's up man | 02:18 |
| Tonio_ | hi Tm_T | 02:20 |
| Tonio_ | what's happening ? | 02:20 |
| Tonio_ | well war in france, and I'm fine ;) | 02:20 |
| Tm_T | dunno, it's "find new things in IM world" day for me | 02:20 |
| Tonio_ | I have several packages to build this WEwhat's "IM" ? | 02:20 |
| Tm_T | Instant Mesaging | 02:21 |
| Tonio_ | s/WEwh/WE, wh | 02:21 |
| Tonio_ | arf ;) | 02:21 |
| Tonio_ | not fine with Kopete ? | 02:21 |
| \sh | instant messaging | 02:21 |
| Tm_T | new things in kopete (dev-0.12 branch) and finally installed openwengo too | 02:22 |
| Tm_T | an yes I'm very happy with Kopete <3<3 | 02:22 |
| Tonio_ | openwengo is really very promissing | 02:22 |
| Tonio_ | I'm following this project for a long, long time | 02:22 |
| Tm_T | I remember so | 02:22 |
| Tonio_ | I worked for the company that develops it | 02:22 |
| Tm_T | we discussed about this a month ago ;) | 02:23 |
| Tonio_ | so I first eard about it about a year ago | 02:23 |
| Tonio_ | yes | 02:23 |
| Tonio_ | did they finally released a tarball ? | 02:23 |
| Tm_T | well, some tarball, but voudlnt compile it neither | 02:23 |
| Tonio_ | that's the problem at the moment..... packaging from svn isn't something I like to do.... | 02:23 |
| Tm_T | but, rpm -> alien -> dpkg -i did the job | 02:24 |
| Tonio_ | I think the tarball will be released with the first stable public version | 02:24 |
| Tonio_ | the problem with IM is the actual merging between Yahoo and MSN.... | 02:25 |
| Tonio_ | It'll be hard to compete with this.... | 02:25 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: what about the skype's kopete integration ? | 02:26 |
| Tonio_ | I know it uses skype as a backend, but how does it work with sound ? | 02:26 |
| Tonio_ | output oss or uses arts, but then what about the delay ? | 02:27 |
| Tm_T | I have no idea, never thested it (it's in work branch or playground) | 02:27 |
| Tonio_ | okay | 02:27 |
| Tm_T | -h | 02:27 |
| Tm_T | damn, can't write today | 02:27 |
| Tonio_ | I tried mercury recently, closed sources, but works fine, if you wanna tests things, that can be interesting | 02:28 |
| Tm_T | closed source -> no need to tes, I like to modify things ;) | 02:28 |
| Tonio_ | ^^ | 02:28 |
| Tm_T | like, I've been working with windeco this week | 02:28 |
| Tonio_ | windeco ? unknown to me | 02:29 |
| Tm_T | window decoration | 02:29 |
| Tm_T | titlebar & borders etc | 02:29 |
| Tonio_ | okay.... | 02:29 |
| Tm_T | and its behaviour | 02:30 |
| === Tonio_ speak a very "scholar english" | ||
| Tonio_ | hard for me to understand cut workds ;) | 02:30 |
| Tm_T | heh | 02:30 |
| Tonio_ | words | 02:30 |
| Tm_T | http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/windeco_04.jpg | 02:31 |
| Tonio_ | because I knew a "windeco" company, that's the reason for the confusion, sorry ;) | 02:31 |
| Tm_T | flatknifty based | 02:31 |
| Tonio_ | hum, that's nice ! | 02:31 |
| Tm_T | my job was to get border thickness settings work | 02:32 |
| Tm_T | haven't changed more yet | 02:32 |
| Tm_T | will make it less flat etc | 02:32 |
| Tonio_ | k, that's promissing, I really like the look'n'feel | 02:33 |
| Tm_T | I made borders thinner already | 02:34 |
| Tonio_ | I was very surprised readding that Mark switched to Kubuntu for his desktop | 02:35 |
| Tm_T | I was pleased | 02:36 |
| Tonio_ | that's the best that could happen, getting for kubuntu the same support that for ubuntu | 02:36 |
| Tm_T | that means we have to be right when we say "gnome sucks!!1" ;--P | 02:36 |
| Tonio_ | haha !! | 02:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell can be proud of him, he initiated something that is called to become a very big thing ;) | 02:37 |
| Tm_T | yu | 02:37 |
| OculusAquilae | gnome doesn't suck, but kde is better | 02:37 |
| Tonio_ | OculusAquilae: agree | 02:37 |
| Tm_T | OculusAquilae: exactly, you saw my smiley there? ;) | 02:37 |
| Tm_T | although I'm very serious person | 02:38 |
| OculusAquilae | Tm_T: yes, and I forgot the smiley at my answer :) | 02:38 |
| Tm_T | :p | 02:39 |
| === Tm_T can't live without humour | ||
| \sh | well | 02:39 |
| \sh | u can't be serious | 02:39 |
| Tm_T | I am! | 02:39 |
| \sh | gnome and kde are having both many problems with usability | 02:39 |
| Tm_T | true | 02:39 |
| \sh | we saw that during our talks here | 02:39 |
| OculusAquilae | right | 02:39 |
| OculusAquilae | but usability problems are everywhere | 02:40 |
| OculusAquilae | not only in kde and gnome | 02:40 |
| Tonio_ | hum serious question, concerning a package | 02:40 |
| Tonio_ | there is an app, called k9copy, I'd like to package.... | 02:40 |
| Tonio_ | but it is, in a certain way, hard to perform | 02:40 |
| \sh | OculusAquilae: but kde has more of them...gnome had done a lot of work during the last months...and the goal has to be, that we fix kdes usability bugs asap | 02:40 |
| \sh | OculusAquilae: better desktop integration | 02:41 |
| Tm_T | actually to me, usability means possibility to choose the level of "eyecandy" and this way readability | 02:41 |
| Tonio_ | it uses a modified version version of Vamps | 02:41 |
| OculusAquilae | \sh: right | 02:41 |
| Tonio_ | but this application has no author, and no homepage..... | 02:41 |
| OculusAquilae | lol, no author :) | 02:42 |
| \sh | Tonio_: then this software is eviol | 02:42 |
| \sh | evil | 02:42 |
| Tonio_ | I can split the package, but the vaps one mau never be approved..... | 02:42 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: why ? | 02:42 |
| \sh | Tonio_: no author, no upstream maintainer | 02:42 |
| Tonio_ | yes | 02:42 |
| \sh | Tonio_: do u want to be the new upstream maintainer? | 02:42 |
| Tonio_ | but k9copy rocks and uses it..... | 02:42 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: no I would like to package Kcopy, I don't have something to do with vamps ;) | 02:43 |
| \sh | Tonio_: doesn't matter...if you package this thing, u have to be real serious about the issue, that you have to fix it even if it's upstream | 02:43 |
| Tonio_ | s/k/k9 | 02:43 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: what kind of issues are you talking about ? | 02:44 |
| \sh | Tonio_: security, bugs etc. | 02:44 |
| \sh | Tonio_: lets say it like this | 02:45 |
| \sh | Tonio_: if there is no upstream...who writes the source then... | 02:45 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: I'm even not a developper, so the question isn't there ;) I can't be the upstream of anything ;) | 02:45 |
| Tonio_ | I may talk with the k9copy upstream about the possibility to use something else than wamps | 02:45 |
| Tonio_ | or completly including the vamps code in it one instead of using it has a separate binary | 02:46 |
| \sh | Tonio_: if u package the thingy, u will take over the maintainership...if there is no upstream anymore, u'll take over the responsibilty to fix the software itself...and if u don't have the time for this, u have to make clear, that u want to get rid of the software | 02:46 |
| Tonio_ | packaging issues would dissapear | 02:46 |
| \sh | Tonio_: i thought it doesn't have an upstream author | 02:46 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: k9copy has an upstream.......... | 02:46 |
| Tonio_ | it is actively maintained | 02:47 |
| \sh | 14:42 < Tonio_> but this application has no author, and no homepage..... | 02:47 |
| Tonio_ | vamps isn't but is required by k9copy | 02:47 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 02:47 |
| \sh | oh... | 02:47 |
| Tonio_ | yes | 02:47 |
| \sh | a build dep | 02:47 |
| \sh | without an author.. | 02:47 |
| Tonio_ | and there is a modified version of vamps provided in the k9copy tarball | 02:47 |
| Tonio_ | so may I consider that the upstream take the responsabilities for the vamps maintainance ? | 02:48 |
| \sh | Tonio_: u can't tell | 02:48 |
| Tonio_ | the packaging problem isn't technicall, it is in the way to make the package fine with the debian/ubuntu policy | 02:48 |
| Tonio_ | I may discuss with the upstream, he is french.... | 02:49 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: it isn't a build dep..... I mean the version of vamps provided is a modified one, and it is provided in the tarball | 02:50 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: so may I consider that it is a part of the application and not split ? | 02:50 |
| Tonio_ | that's the tricky thing ;) | 02:50 |
| \sh | Tonio_: if there is a version shipped with the normal source, and the build system is already somewhere else in the universe...it's a split...which is foobar for me | 02:51 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: there is nothing in Universe or any branch that concerns vamps, and there probably never will | 02:52 |
| Tonio_ | but if so, that would result a apt conflict concerning the "vamps" binary | 02:53 |
| Tonio_ | http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=23885 <- it is one of the most popular application on kde-apps | 02:53 |
| === Tonio_ gets mad with this !!! ;) | ||
| === Tm_T doesn't mess with dvds | ||
| Tm_T | I do watch movies fomr dvd, that's about all | 02:54 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: I don't so, but many linux users do..... | 02:54 |
| Tm_T | true | 02:54 |
| Tm_T | take "backups" | 02:55 |
| Tonio_ | how many linux users are using dvdshrink within wine ? 50%, maybe more..... | 02:55 |
| Tonio_ | well.... I'll discuss about that on #ubuntu-motu | 02:56 |
| Tm_T | please do :) | 02:56 |
| Tonio_ | I need to get the way to package this clear..... | 02:56 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: I'm personnaly packaging many application that I don't have something to do with.... | 02:57 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: that's good thing :) | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | but if I have the feeling that it can be of any use and that it is something missing, that HAS to be added | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | and an application of that such quality, that is a response of a question I really ear very often when talking about linux..... | 02:58 |
| Tonio_ | "what about switching to linux ?" | 02:58 |
| Tonio_ | "are there any equivalents to wmp/winamp, msn, nero, dvdshrink, emule ? I won't switch without this" | 02:59 |
| Tonio_ | and there is something I can't answer ;) hehe | 02:59 |
| Tm_T | I think amaroK & Kopete & Kontact are killer apps | 03:04 |
| Tm_T | keep me using linux | 03:04 |
| Tm_T | and KDE overall | 03:04 |
| pef | Tonio_: handbrake is great, but needs a lot of cvs libraries versions, and jamfile is ugly (wget to get specific libraries) | 03:10 |
| OculusAquilae | konqueror is a killer app too i think | 03:13 |
| Tm_T | OculusAquilae: so agree | 03:15 |
| Tm_T | though firefox is ok | 03:15 |
| OculusAquilae | for web-browsing is firefox good, but konqueror is more than a web-browser | 03:16 |
| Tm_T | yup | 03:16 |
| Tonio_ | pef: I'll have a look | 03:19 |
| Tonio_ | I personnaly would like to see konqueror splitted in two.... | 03:20 |
| Tonio_ | or maybe, giving the possibility to had more things to the profile | 03:20 |
| Tonio_ | homepage is the same for all profiles for example.... | 03:20 |
| Tonio_ | I would like to have a website for the webbrowser and my home folder in filebriwsing mode. | 03:21 |
| Tonio_ | filebrowsing | 03:21 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Save the profile including the location. | 03:22 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: yes | 03:22 |
| Tonio_ | I know that, but not the "homepage" | 03:22 |
| Tonio_ | which is totaly different | 03:22 |
| hunger | Tonio_: What is the "homepage" but a location? | 03:23 |
| Tonio_ | hunger, that means that when you start konqueror, you have your homepage... | 03:23 |
| Tonio_ | but how to go there while surfing ? | 03:23 |
| Tonio_ | typing the address or add it to your favorites..... | 03:24 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Hmmm... right. | 03:24 |
| Tonio_ | don't get me wrong, I don't use firefox and even don't have it installed | 03:24 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Well, in general I don't need that as I open everything in tabs anyway. | 03:24 |
| Tonio_ | another really anoying thing | 03:24 |
| Tonio_ | open konqueror in webbrosing mode | 03:25 |
| Tonio_ | then with the "system" applet, near by the K button, open your home directory | 03:25 |
| hunger | Tonio_: What I find annoying is opening links from other apps in konq. | 03:25 |
| Tonio_ | it opens it the current konqueror session | 03:26 |
| Tonio_ | and doesn't open a new one with filebrowsing profile | 03:26 |
| hunger | Tonio_: That opens a new tab after all the "default tabs" saved in the webbrowsing profile. But it does not open them. | 03:26 |
| hunger | Tonio_: So you end up with lots of empty tabs:-( | 03:27 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: hum, I don't those problems.... | 03:27 |
| hunger | And it does open a new konq window when asked to open a url on a virtual desktop that has no konq open at the moment. | 03:27 |
| Tonio_ | but well, I really love konq, there are just a few things anoying me ;) | 03:28 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Same here:-) | 03:28 |
| Tonio_ | ^^ | 03:30 |
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| pef | someone running kde3.5 beta2 ? | 03:37 |
| Tonio_away | nope | 03:38 |
| OculusAquilae | pef: yes | 03:39 |
| pef | OculusAquilae: can you try to launch khotkeys from konsole ? | 03:41 |
| OculusAquilae | yes | 03:42 |
| OculusAquilae | pef: it starts and nothing happens (don't even know what khotkeys should do) | 03:44 |
| pef | OculusAquilae: it crashes for me, so the problem comes from me, thank you :) | 03:44 |
| OculusAquilae | ahh | 03:45 |
| OculusAquilae | ok | 03:45 |
| OculusAquilae | ahh its a daemon | 03:46 |
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| KabelKasper | Tonio_: Hi, the hompage of vamps is: http://sourceforge.net/projects/vamps | 04:37 |
| KabelKasper | Tonia_: And i know of lxdvdrip, that they made the same changes to vamps | 04:38 |
| KabelKasper | Tonio_: changelog: Version 1.46 / 01.06.05: | 04:39 |
| KabelKasper | - Create all temp-files in tmp-Dir named in Configfile. | 04:39 |
| KabelKasper | - Add DVD Name to movie directory (/tmp/film-dvd/Name_DVD). | 04:39 |
| KabelKasper | - Vamps: mpeg2 Audio (Patch from k9copy). | 04:39 |
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| KabelKasper | Tonio_: I think vamps was a project of the german IT news heise.de | 04:40 |
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| KabelKasper | Tonio_away: I hope you can read this next time. I would realy like a k9copy package. | 04:42 |
| pef | KabelKasper: k9copy use a modified version of vamps, provided by k9copy author, not easy to handle :/ | 04:43 |
| KabelKasper | pef: but lxdvdrip (http://developer.berlios.de/projects/lxdvdrip) for example needs the same changes, maybe there is a chance to get them into the upstream vamps? | 04:49 |
| pef | KabelKasper: only if someone submit the patch to vamps authors :) I cannot find anything on vamps homepage (no patch or bug request) | 04:53 |
| KabelKasper | pef: i found some older debian packages, mavbe thats of interrest? http://spirit.knio.it/~maxer/deb/sarge/ | 04:57 |
| pef | KabelKasper: vamps package on this page seems to be a home made version (patched), so not helpfull for k9copy | 04:59 |
| pef | KabelKasper: I think build package another version of vamps (vamps-x.y.ubuntu) with the patch seems to be the best solution | 05:00 |
| KabelKasper | An now i found the new debian packages too! http://repos.knio.it/dists/unstable/main/source/kde/ | 05:03 |
| KabelKasper | pef: http://repos.knio.it/dists/unstable/main/source/kde/ | 05:04 |
| pef | KabelKasper: vamps doesn't seems to be packaged in Debian | 05:05 |
| KabelKasper | The new k9copy packages seem to include vamps | 05:06 |
| KabelKasper | pef: but i have to go now, sorry. | 05:07 |
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| Tonio_ | pef_aw: when you read this, I'll discuss with the k9copy upstream.... | 06:33 |
| Tonio_ | vamps doesn't seem to be maintained actually... | 06:33 |
| Tonio_ | so maybe the vamps code can be added directly in k9copy or the binary can have a different name. | 06:34 |
| Tonio_ | that has to be decided by the k9copy upstream, but I can suggest ;) | 06:34 |
| Tonio_ | all depends if vamps is maintained or not, and if k9copy upstream is waiting for new vamps releases to get sync with..... | 06:35 |
| Tonio_ | I need to make a point on that, because it is a great app, but hard to handle with to provide official packages..... | 06:36 |
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