[12:19] <\sh> Tm_T: no...there are no maintainers in ubuntu [12:20] <\sh> Tm_T: but i'm working on it...as well as riddell [12:20] ok [12:20] you know 1.3.6 will be released soon? [12:21] 00:49 < eean> s|mon: be sure to update to 1.3.6 when it gets released this weekend or else you'll have problems again === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-6.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mez_ [n=Mez@209.104.102.193] has joined #kubuntu-devel === chmj_ [n=chmj@66.103.220.182] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:15] <\sh> i need a screenshot of the k backtrace dialog.... [01:15] i can do that [01:16] give me a few hours ims ure amarok will die by then ;) [01:16] <\sh> no...I need it now... [01:18] why not use akregator in 3.5b2 ? it dies instantly [01:18] ;) [01:18] let me try something [01:19] <\sh> Riddell: do we have somewhere screenshots? [01:19] =) [01:19] trust things not to crash when i want them to ;) [01:19] Lathiat: artsd in beta2 [01:20] \sh: run drkonqi and ksnapshot [01:21] Riddell: ahh [01:22] :) === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:22] <\sh> Riddell: i need the dialog as well of the mail interface to the backtraces [01:22] Riddell: I bet you know how to disable that automount&autorun thingie [01:23] Tm_T: killal ivman [01:23] :o [01:23] \sh: pass --pid [01:23] \sh: there is no mail interface, that's amarok only [01:23] \sh: dronkqi --help [01:23] drkonqi --help === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@d-ip-129-15-213-134.wireless.ou.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@66.103.220.192] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:26] http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-commitment.php proofreaders welcome [02:26] required infact [02:33] might be a good idea to have the last two sentences in the first paragraph flow on; "and our goals" might be better (last paragraph) [02:33] isn't it better to recommend #kubuntu-devel for developers? Might be a good idea to mention the other ways in which people can contribute too (documentation etc) [02:34] (could link to the Helping Kubuntu wiki page) [02:34] p.s. shipit stuff sounds very exciting and promising :) [02:34] -devel channels are usually not mentioned publicly to keep noise down, anyone who is interested in development should get told to come here though [02:34] HelpingKubuntu is a bit out of date [02:35] but yes, I'll do that [02:35] I see. Good idea === DrakeSon [n=Drakeson@user39.vpn.utoronto.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:37] DrakeSon: come to montreal tomorrow! [02:37] what's going on tomorrow? :D === DrakeSon is now known as Drakeson === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:43] Drakeson: it's my last day here [02:44] :( I am not sure if I can make it, but I'll try. (I have something else to do very soon) [02:45] and of course I really like to meet you there [02:45] Drakeson: actually I'm here on sunday too [02:46] but it's a day off so I don't know where I'll be [02:46] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero/ === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.35] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:54] Riddell, "at the success of Kubuntu, " should be "at the success of Kubuntu: " [03:54] "As a community project" should be "As a community project," [03:55] " join us on #kubuntu IRC channel on the Freenode network " should be " join us on on the Freenode IRC network in channel #kubuntu " (personal preference) [03:56] "start of the conference Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth " should be "start of the conference, Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth " [03:56] "first class" = "first-class" [03:57] "was evidence as the need for this" should be either "was evidence for the need for this" or "evidenced the need for this" [03:57] and now I'm done :P === Drakeson is now known as Drakeson_away === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.32.211] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.35] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seth_k [n=seth@asmallorange.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@66.103.220.192] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:14] hello [08:16] bk] [08:16] nl [08:16] bk [08:16] ffs# [08:17] hi === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D0D90.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@66.103.220.192] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:49] someone using kde3.5 beta2 here ? [08:57] Riddell: I've a problem with Debian's kdissert package. When I packaged myself kdissert-1.0.5, I had to patch SConstruct file to disable rpath, and Debian's maintainer seems to have modified SConstruct file by hand, without notifiying it anywhere :/ (you can see the modification on the .orig.tar.gz file http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kdissert/kdissert_1.0.5.debian.orig.tar.gz), how can I handle this ? [08:58] I think I should notify maintainer so he can release a new clean package [09:02] pef: if he changed upstream, leave it as it is from debian - unless it needs to be changed back [09:02] contact the DD and ask him why the change was made, and why it was done in the way it was [09:03] Mez: I've made the same modification to get rid off rpath, but I wrote a patch [09:03] and then if you still disagree with the decision to do it that way, contact a member of ubuntu-core-dev and ask them whether you should change [09:04] but, remember - we're trying to keep as minimal a delta as possible to debian, no need to recreate the work [09:04] I agree the modification, but modifying upstream sources without notifying it anywhere isn't very clean :/ [09:06] then speak to the DD and ask them why it was done and if they can fix it/object to you fixing it [09:08] Mez: thanks [09:13] np [09:14] but you may not want to take my advice [09:14] I'm probably wrong. [09:22] Mez: I think debian's maintainer just made tests and finally forgot to mention it :) === tabb [i=fdsfadfs@CPE-60-224-62-188.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:28] anyone around? [09:28] .l [09:28] .l [09:28] lo [09:29] I'm having a problem trying to install kubuntu from the DVD/CD's - it starts up and stalls at scsi [success] [09:29] i have tried with noapic nolapic with nothing changing... any ideas? [09:30] External drive? [09:30] nope... it's an Asus laptop... all that is plugged in is a external usb mouse [09:30] and i tried unplugging that as well... [09:31] ask Kamion in about 6/7 hours [09:32] ok.. in the meantime i am downloading breezy and see if that works... i have tried with ubuntu 5.04 as well and same thing happens [09:33] but i am getting the CD version... much different between the DVD install/live and CD? or is it just the live feature? === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D0D90.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A61FD7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Oculus [n=oculus@p548D02FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Oculus [n=oculus@p548D02FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.32.211] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D02FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D02FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.32.211] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.32.211] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=czessi@dslb-084-059-022-128.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=czessi@dslb-084-059-022-128.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D20E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:12] morning [02:18] hi Tonio_ [02:18] what's up man [02:20] hi Tm_T [02:20] what's happening ? [02:20] well war in france, and I'm fine ;) [02:20] dunno, it's "find new things in IM world" day for me [02:20] I have several packages to build this WEwhat's "IM" ? [02:21] Instant Mesaging [02:21] s/WEwh/WE, wh [02:21] arf ;) [02:21] not fine with Kopete ? [02:21] <\sh> instant messaging [02:22] new things in kopete (dev-0.12 branch) and finally installed openwengo too [02:22] an yes I'm very happy with Kopete <3<3 [02:22] openwengo is really very promissing [02:22] I'm following this project for a long, long time [02:22] I remember so [02:22] I worked for the company that develops it [02:23] we discussed about this a month ago ;) [02:23] so I first eard about it about a year ago [02:23] yes [02:23] did they finally released a tarball ? [02:23] well, some tarball, but voudlnt compile it neither [02:23] that's the problem at the moment..... packaging from svn isn't something I like to do.... [02:24] but, rpm -> alien -> dpkg -i did the job [02:24] I think the tarball will be released with the first stable public version [02:25] the problem with IM is the actual merging between Yahoo and MSN.... [02:25] It'll be hard to compete with this.... [02:26] Tm_T: what about the skype's kopete integration ? [02:26] I know it uses skype as a backend, but how does it work with sound ? [02:27] output oss or uses arts, but then what about the delay ? [02:27] I have no idea, never thested it (it's in work branch or playground) [02:27] okay [02:27] -h [02:27] damn, can't write today [02:28] I tried mercury recently, closed sources, but works fine, if you wanna tests things, that can be interesting [02:28] closed source -> no need to tes, I like to modify things ;) [02:28] ^^ [02:28] like, I've been working with windeco this week [02:29] windeco ? unknown to me [02:29] window decoration [02:29] titlebar & borders etc [02:29] okay.... [02:30] and its behaviour === Tonio_ speak a very "scholar english" [02:30] hard for me to understand cut workds ;) [02:30] heh [02:30] words [02:31] http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/windeco_04.jpg [02:31] because I knew a "windeco" company, that's the reason for the confusion, sorry ;) [02:31] flatknifty based [02:31] hum, that's nice ! [02:32] my job was to get border thickness settings work [02:32] haven't changed more yet [02:32] will make it less flat etc [02:33] k, that's promissing, I really like the look'n'feel [02:34] I made borders thinner already [02:35] I was very surprised readding that Mark switched to Kubuntu for his desktop [02:36] I was pleased [02:36] that's the best that could happen, getting for kubuntu the same support that for ubuntu [02:36] that means we have to be right when we say "gnome sucks!!1" ;--P [02:36] haha !! [02:37] Riddell can be proud of him, he initiated something that is called to become a very big thing ;) [02:37] yu [02:37] gnome doesn't suck, but kde is better [02:37] OculusAquilae: agree [02:37] OculusAquilae: exactly, you saw my smiley there? ;) [02:38] although I'm very serious person [02:38] Tm_T: yes, and I forgot the smiley at my answer :) [02:39] :p === Tm_T can't live without humour [02:39] <\sh> well [02:39] <\sh> u can't be serious [02:39] I am! [02:39] <\sh> gnome and kde are having both many problems with usability [02:39] true [02:39] <\sh> we saw that during our talks here [02:39] right [02:40] but usability problems are everywhere [02:40] not only in kde and gnome [02:40] hum serious question, concerning a package [02:40] there is an app, called k9copy, I'd like to package.... [02:40] but it is, in a certain way, hard to perform [02:40] <\sh> OculusAquilae: but kde has more of them...gnome had done a lot of work during the last months...and the goal has to be, that we fix kdes usability bugs asap [02:41] <\sh> OculusAquilae: better desktop integration [02:41] actually to me, usability means possibility to choose the level of "eyecandy" and this way readability [02:41] it uses a modified version version of Vamps [02:41] \sh: right [02:41] but this application has no author, and no homepage..... [02:42] lol, no author :) [02:42] <\sh> Tonio_: then this software is eviol [02:42] <\sh> evil [02:42] I can split the package, but the vaps one mau never be approved..... [02:42] \sh: why ? [02:42] <\sh> Tonio_: no author, no upstream maintainer [02:42] yes [02:42] <\sh> Tonio_: do u want to be the new upstream maintainer? [02:42] but k9copy rocks and uses it..... [02:43] \sh: no I would like to package Kcopy, I don't have something to do with vamps ;) [02:43] <\sh> Tonio_: doesn't matter...if you package this thing, u have to be real serious about the issue, that you have to fix it even if it's upstream [02:43] s/k/k9 [02:44] \sh: what kind of issues are you talking about ? [02:44] <\sh> Tonio_: security, bugs etc. [02:45] <\sh> Tonio_: lets say it like this [02:45] <\sh> Tonio_: if there is no upstream...who writes the source then... [02:45] \sh: I'm even not a developper, so the question isn't there ;) I can't be the upstream of anything ;) [02:45] I may talk with the k9copy upstream about the possibility to use something else than wamps [02:46] or completly including the vamps code in it one instead of using it has a separate binary [02:46] <\sh> Tonio_: if u package the thingy, u will take over the maintainership...if there is no upstream anymore, u'll take over the responsibilty to fix the software itself...and if u don't have the time for this, u have to make clear, that u want to get rid of the software [02:46] packaging issues would dissapear [02:46] <\sh> Tonio_: i thought it doesn't have an upstream author [02:46] \sh: k9copy has an upstream.......... [02:47] it is actively maintained [02:47] <\sh> 14:42 < Tonio_> but this application has no author, and no homepage..... [02:47] vamps isn't but is required by k9copy [02:47] ;) [02:47] <\sh> oh... [02:47] yes [02:47] <\sh> a build dep [02:47] <\sh> without an author.. [02:47] and there is a modified version of vamps provided in the k9copy tarball [02:48] so may I consider that the upstream take the responsabilities for the vamps maintainance ? [02:48] <\sh> Tonio_: u can't tell [02:48] the packaging problem isn't technicall, it is in the way to make the package fine with the debian/ubuntu policy [02:49] I may discuss with the upstream, he is french.... [02:50] \sh: it isn't a build dep..... I mean the version of vamps provided is a modified one, and it is provided in the tarball [02:50] \sh: so may I consider that it is a part of the application and not split ? [02:50] that's the tricky thing ;) [02:51] <\sh> Tonio_: if there is a version shipped with the normal source, and the build system is already somewhere else in the universe...it's a split...which is foobar for me [02:52] \sh: there is nothing in Universe or any branch that concerns vamps, and there probably never will [02:53] but if so, that would result a apt conflict concerning the "vamps" binary [02:53] http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=23885 <- it is one of the most popular application on kde-apps === Tonio_ gets mad with this !!! ;) === Tm_T doesn't mess with dvds [02:54] I do watch movies fomr dvd, that's about all [02:54] Tm_T: I don't so, but many linux users do..... [02:54] true [02:55] take "backups" [02:55] how many linux users are using dvdshrink within wine ? 50%, maybe more..... [02:56] well.... I'll discuss about that on #ubuntu-motu [02:56] please do :) [02:56] I need to get the way to package this clear..... [02:57] Tm_T: I'm personnaly packaging many application that I don't have something to do with.... [02:57] Tonio_: that's good thing :) [02:57] but if I have the feeling that it can be of any use and that it is something missing, that HAS to be added [02:58] and an application of that such quality, that is a response of a question I really ear very often when talking about linux..... [02:58] "what about switching to linux ?" [02:59] "are there any equivalents to wmp/winamp, msn, nero, dvdshrink, emule ? I won't switch without this" [02:59] and there is something I can't answer ;) hehe [03:04] I think amaroK & Kopete & Kontact are killer apps [03:04] keep me using linux [03:04] and KDE overall [03:10] Tonio_: handbrake is great, but needs a lot of cvs libraries versions, and jamfile is ugly (wget to get specific libraries) [03:13] konqueror is a killer app too i think [03:15] OculusAquilae: so agree [03:15] though firefox is ok [03:16] for web-browsing is firefox good, but konqueror is more than a web-browser [03:16] yup [03:19] pef: I'll have a look [03:20] I personnaly would like to see konqueror splitted in two.... [03:20] or maybe, giving the possibility to had more things to the profile [03:20] homepage is the same for all profiles for example.... [03:21] I would like to have a website for the webbrowser and my home folder in filebriwsing mode. [03:21] filebrowsing [03:22] Tonio_: Save the profile including the location. [03:22] hunger: yes [03:22] I know that, but not the "homepage" [03:22] which is totaly different [03:23] Tonio_: What is the "homepage" but a location? [03:23] hunger, that means that when you start konqueror, you have your homepage... [03:23] but how to go there while surfing ? [03:24] typing the address or add it to your favorites..... [03:24] Tonio_: Hmmm... right. [03:24] don't get me wrong, I don't use firefox and even don't have it installed [03:24] Tonio_: Well, in general I don't need that as I open everything in tabs anyway. [03:24] another really anoying thing [03:25] open konqueror in webbrosing mode [03:25] then with the "system" applet, near by the K button, open your home directory [03:25] Tonio_: What I find annoying is opening links from other apps in konq. [03:26] it opens it the current konqueror session [03:26] and doesn't open a new one with filebrowsing profile [03:26] Tonio_: That opens a new tab after all the "default tabs" saved in the webbrowsing profile. But it does not open them. [03:27] Tonio_: So you end up with lots of empty tabs:-( [03:27] hunger: hum, I don't those problems.... [03:27] And it does open a new konq window when asked to open a url on a virtual desktop that has no konq open at the moment. [03:28] but well, I really love konq, there are just a few things anoying me ;) [03:28] Tonio_: Same here:-) [03:30] ^^ === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_away [03:37] someone running kde3.5 beta2 ? [03:38] nope [03:39] pef: yes [03:41] OculusAquilae: can you try to launch khotkeys from konsole ? [03:42] yes [03:44] pef: it starts and nothing happens (don't even know what khotkeys should do) [03:44] OculusAquilae: it crashes for me, so the problem comes from me, thank you :) [03:45] ahh [03:45] ok [03:46] ahh its a daemon === Tonio_away is now known as Tonio_ === KabelKasper [n=Claudi@iD4CC0D75.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:37] Tonio_: Hi, the hompage of vamps is: http://sourceforge.net/projects/vamps [04:38] Tonia_: And i know of lxdvdrip, that they made the same changes to vamps [04:39] Tonio_: changelog: Version 1.46 / 01.06.05: [04:39] - Create all temp-files in tmp-Dir named in Configfile. [04:39] - Add DVD Name to movie directory (/tmp/film-dvd/Name_DVD). [04:39] - Vamps: mpeg2 Audio (Patch from k9copy). === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:40] Tonio_: I think vamps was a project of the german IT news heise.de === olwin [n=olwin@dyn-83-157-213-140.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:42] Tonio_away: I hope you can read this next time. I would realy like a k9copy package. [04:43] KabelKasper: k9copy use a modified version of vamps, provided by k9copy author, not easy to handle :/ [04:49] pef: but lxdvdrip (http://developer.berlios.de/projects/lxdvdrip) for example needs the same changes, maybe there is a chance to get them into the upstream vamps? [04:53] KabelKasper: only if someone submit the patch to vamps authors :) I cannot find anything on vamps homepage (no patch or bug request) [04:57] pef: i found some older debian packages, mavbe thats of interrest? http://spirit.knio.it/~maxer/deb/sarge/ [04:59] KabelKasper: vamps package on this page seems to be a home made version (patched), so not helpfull for k9copy [05:00] KabelKasper: I think build package another version of vamps (vamps-x.y.ubuntu) with the patch seems to be the best solution [05:03] An now i found the new debian packages too! http://repos.knio.it/dists/unstable/main/source/kde/ [05:04] pef: http://repos.knio.it/dists/unstable/main/source/kde/ [05:05] KabelKasper: vamps doesn't seems to be packaged in Debian [05:06] The new k9copy packages seem to include vamps [05:07] pef: but i have to go now, sorry. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.35] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@66.103.220.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KaiL_ [n=KaiL@p548F7AD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.35] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@66.103.220.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pef is now known as pef_aw === viviersf [n=cain@66.103.220.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:33] pef_aw: when you read this, I'll discuss with the k9copy upstream.... [06:33] vamps doesn't seem to be maintained actually... [06:34] so maybe the vamps code can be added directly in k9copy or the binary can have a different name. [06:34] that has to be decided by the k9copy upstream, but I can suggest ;) [06:35] all depends if vamps is maintained or not, and if k9copy upstream is waiting for new vamps releases to get sync with..... 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