[12:03] <chx> hi
[12:03] <pagux> hi floks how i get mp3 support for armok ?
[12:04] <nalioth> ubotu: tell pagux about mp3
[12:04] <Flying_Eagle> by reading the wiki and following the howto
[12:04] <chx> i have two machines, a desktop with Kubuntu Breezy I am typing from right now and a notebook. for the notebook I'd like to set up a network boot environment (it has nothing ext. to boot from externally). What should I RTFM
[12:04] <PJeremy> nalioth: would you know how to disable konqueror from popping up when a cd is inserted?
[12:04] <nalioth> PJeremy: i would not
[12:04] <kairu0> hey all
[12:05] <nalioth> chx: your notebook needs to be able to boot from a network (built into the hardware, id think)
[12:05] <chx> nalioth: it can
[12:05] <nalioth> chx: have you visited the wiki?
[12:06] <Flying_Eagle> PJeremy, maybe its working over udev?
[12:06] <Flying_Eagle> then you should look in /etc/udev
[12:06] <PJeremy> Flying_Eagle: i have no idea.
[12:07] <chx> nalioth: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=network+boot&titlesearch=Titles 0 results
[12:11] <Flying_Eagle> PJeremy, cd into your /etc/udev directory and execute...
[12:11] <Flying_Eagle> rgrep cdrom *
[12:11] <Flying_Eagle> rgrep media *
[12:11] <Flying_Eagle> rgrep mount *
[12:11] <Flying_Eagle> seems to be interesting
[12:14] <kairu0> what is rgrep?
[12:17] <PJeremy> Flying_Eagle: it looks interesting, but i can't see the relation between those outputs and konqueror :/
[12:17] <Flying_Eagle> kairu0, recursive grep
[12:18] <Flying_Eagle> PJeremy, k-menu->"system settings"->"kde components"->"daemon-managment"->"kded-media-manager"
[12:19] <Flying_Eagle> this may help
[12:19] <Flying_Eagle> but the path is translated... so watch yourself
[12:21] <Flying_Eagle> seems to work. i stopped this service and nothing is popping up
[12:22] <PJeremy> Flying_Eagle: well, i just tested it. when kded-media-manager is stopped, it just pops up without mounting, saying that hdd is not available
[12:22] <Flying_Eagle> o_O
[12:23] <Flying_Eagle> thats strange
[12:23] <Flying_Eagle> i just tested it myself with a normal data-cd
[12:24] <PJeremy> Flying_Eagle: weird..
[12:25] <Tm_T> PJeremy: what kde version?
[12:25] <PJeremy> Tm_T: breezys... 3.4.3
[12:25] <Tm_T> ok
[12:25] <Tm_T> and what does "lsof /dev/hdd" says?
[12:27] <PJeremy> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev
[12:27] <PJeremy>       Output information may be incomplete.
[12:27] <Tm_T> that's all?
[12:27] <PJeremy> yes
[12:27] <Tm_T> ok, then nothing ;)
[12:40] <kairu0> hahaha i love somethingawful.com
[12:48] <dlausevic> anyone have a link to obtain the HOWTO upgrade Hoary->Breezy?
[12:50] <nalioth> ubotu: tell dlausevic about breezy
[12:56] <ganymed> hallo. i see, there is an admin mode fix... very nice.
[12:57] <Tm_T> PJeremy: well, looks like we have to find the thing which keep mounting AND autorunning things
[12:57] <ganymed> however, when i go to the network section and i change sth., e.g. my default gateway, it says, that the network is reloaded, but actually the changes have no effect.
[12:58] <ganymed> i always have to change the config files and do ifdown-ifup... any ideas why this is this way?
[12:58] <PJeremy> Tm_T: would be nice
[12:59] <bloc76> i've added the hoary backports repo to my sources list
[12:59] <bloc76> there is a ruby1.8 in it that i need
[12:59] <bloc76> but there is also a ruby1.8 in the regular repo
[12:59] <bloc76> how do i tell it to install the one from backports?
[12:59] <Tm_T> PJeremy: no shit ;)
[12:59] <Mez> why get the one from backports?
[12:59] <nalioth> bloc76: are you using breezy?
[12:59] <Mez> the one in breezy works fine
[12:59] <Tm_T> PJeremy: any ideas?
[01:00] <bloc76> nalioth: hoary
[01:00] <bloc76> Mez: i'm using haory
[01:00] <PJeremy> Tm_T: none at all, Flying_Eagle earlier mentioned stopping kded-media-manager would do the trick for him, but it didn't for me
[01:00] <nalioth> bloc76: then use kynaptic to search for the pkg you want to install
[01:01] <bloc76> maybe i should upgrade to breazy :)
[01:01] <bloc76> anyone have any problems with the upgrade?
[01:01] <apokryphos> you should
[01:01] <apokryphos> it's recommended
[01:01] <ganymed> so any ideas why the network administration in kcontrol doesn't work?
[01:02] <nalioth> bloc76: it's easy
[01:02] <nalioth> ubotu: tell bloc76 about breezy
[01:02] <bloc76> thanks
[01:05] <bloc76> here goes, cross your fingers :)
[01:06] <kairu0> you can do it
[01:07] <bloc76> i always get scared upgrading
[01:07] <bloc76> takes me forever to set my workstation back to where i need it if something goes wrong
[01:07] <bloc76> and i have to reinstall
[01:08] <apokryphos> a stable -> stable dist-upgrade is officially supported
[01:08] <bloc76> i don't do anything funky so i don't usually have problems
[01:08] <kairu0> omg freebsd 6.0 is out
[01:08] <bloc76> but i used redhat and suse for a while
[01:08] <StR> hi there..
[01:08] <bloc76> had problems back then
[01:08] <StR> is there any backport for breezy?
[01:08] <apokryphos> no, not yet
[01:08] <apokryphos> there are breezy-updates though
[01:09] <kairu0> bloc76, suse is too counter-intuitive for me
[01:09] <bloc76> kairu0: the apache config used to give me major headaches
[01:11] <PJeremy> apokryphos: what's the difference between 'safe upgrade' and 'full upgrade'? safe== only stable stuff or security?
[01:11] <apokryphos> PJeremy: I presume that by a safe upgrade you mean security changes; a full upgrade, anyhow, is when you change from one Ubuntu version to the next. In this case, from Hoary (5.04) to Breezy (5.10)
[01:12] <apokryphos> the security upgrade would be just that -- a repository for Breezy which only contains security changes
[01:12] <PJeremy> apokryphos: uhm, i just meant the two options in adept.
[01:12] <apokryphos> ah, it's probably referring to the different apt equivalents
[01:13] <apokryphos> PJeremy: see man apt -- it describes it well. Note the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade
[01:13] <apokryphos> *man apt-get
[01:13] <PJeremy> okay, thanks
[01:21] <Riddell> ?
[01:21] <kairu0> i cant input japanese text in java 
[01:21] <kairu0> but i can in kde and gnome apps
[01:22] <nybble> lol. hows it goin Riddell?
[01:23] <Riddell> busy conference
[01:23] <nybble> Riddell: alright..
[01:23] <kairu0> conference?
[01:23] <Flying_Eagle> good night everybody and PJeremy: good luck!
[01:24] <Tm_T> PJeremy: 02:23 < Riddell> Tm_T: killal ivman
[01:24] <Tm_T> PJeremy: please test ;)
[01:24] <Tm_T> (so I don't have to)
[01:26] <PJeremy> Tm_T: seems to work :)
[01:27] <Tm_T> sir Riddell: we thank you :)
[01:27] <PJeremy> yes we do indeed :)
[01:27] <Riddell> you will need to edit /usr/bin/startkde too for long term stoppage
[01:27] <fdelacruz> gudmorning guys
[01:29] <StR> anyone using firefox 1.5b?
[01:31] <PJeremy> Riddell: what exactly do we have to do in startkde? just comment out the part with "kubuntu uses ivman as volume manager" and the 3 lines after that?
[01:31] <Riddell> yes
[01:31] <PJeremy> Riddell: thank you very much :)
[01:33] <kairu0> i need a new non-limewire p2p app
[01:33] <apokryphos> gtk-gnutella
[01:34] <apokryphos> (for another p2p app that runs on the gnutella network)
[01:34] <kairu0> hmm 
[01:34] <kairu0> anything for qt?
[01:34] <nickl> from fonsole apt-get throws me a Segmentation fault, any idea how to fix this?
[01:34] <nickl> fonsole = konsole
[01:34] <apokryphos> Qtella, but I've never got it to work
[01:35] <kairu0> ok i'll try gtk-gnutella
[01:36] <Mars> Hi i wrote shutdown -h 5:30
[01:36] <Mars>  is it good command?
[01:36] <kairu0> i like limewire, but it wont let me type japanese
[01:36] <nalioth> kairu0: in a terminal, "apt-cache search gnutella"
[01:38] <lawpz> hey
[01:39] <lawpz> any tips to run it smooth on a 500 mhz laptop with 64mb ram?
[01:41] <troth> do live cd's work just as well on laptops?
[01:42] <lawpz> it runs good, just no sound here and slow as hell
[01:42] <lawpz> i think i better dont use kde or?
[01:43] <nickl> lawpz: what do you want to do with the laptop?
[01:43] <laurie> hey all
[01:44] <lawpz> its just for office use
[01:44] <laurie> hey, I'm a totally linuw newbie! - can any1 tell me how to install firefox?
[01:45] <laurie> I've tired using the sudo apt-get command, but it doesn't work
[01:45] <laurie> any1?
[01:45] <nickl> you could try something lighter then kubuntu, may run faster, i could tell you one option
[01:45] <troth> laurie: did you apt-get update first?
[01:45] <laurie> yup
[01:45] <nickl> lawpz: it would run lots faster..
[01:46] <lawpz> what do you suggest?
[01:46] <nickl> ya you sould maybe look into DSL damn small linux
[01:46] <laurie> there's something wrong with the packages I think
[01:46] <laurie> ???
[01:47] <lawpz> hmm
[01:47] <laurie> I did sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[01:48] <lawpz> wouldnt it help just to use wmaker or xface instead of kde?
[01:48] <kairu0> laurie, since you're a newbie, try using adept
[01:48] <laurie> I've also downloaded the .tar.gz file
[01:48] <laurie> adept?
[01:48] <kairu0> laurie, its the kubuntu package manager
[01:48] <troth> laurie: did you try apt-get install mozilla-firefox ?maybe
[01:49] <kairu0> lawpz, switching to xfce is a good option. just add xubuntu-desktop
[01:49] <laurie> cool
[01:49] <laurie> it said something about not being root
[01:49] <laurie> what does that mean?
[01:49] <lawpz> ok
[01:50] <wezlo> hey, is anyone having a problem in breezy with the laptop fan not working?
[01:50] <troth> laurie: sorry, sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[01:50] <laurie> it opened up the package manager, but said I wasn't root so I had read only access.
[01:50] <laurie> yeah, tried that already
[01:50] <laurie> never worked
[01:50] <troth> laurie: is this your computer?
[01:51] <boga> I connect a usb digital camera and Kubuntu complains that /media:/sda1 does not exist, but goes ahead and mounts the camera somewhere else. Even when I create the directory, it still complains
[01:51] <boga> How do I handle this?
[01:54] <laurie> yeah it's mine
[01:54] <`Nomad> Hi all.. What is teh equivalent of Windows' network neighbourhood in KDE?
[01:54] <`Nomad> I'm trying to visually browse my home network
[01:54] <`Nomad> to discover a new network drive
[01:55] <nybble> smb:// or swomething... i havent used KDE in ages :S
[01:55] <wezlo> Nomad try smb:/
[01:55] <troth> laurie: when you typed sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox did it ask you for a password?
[01:55] <`Nomad> of course..
[01:55] <raphink> with only one /
[01:55] <raphink> smb:/
[01:55] <`Nomad> I was trying only //
[01:55] <`Nomad> go tit
[01:55] <`Nomad> oops.. LOL
[01:55] <raphink> `Nomad: you're not on windows 
[01:55] <`Nomad> got it :)
[01:55] <wezlo> the double slashes will make it think you're looking for a web site and it'll do a search
[01:56] <`Nomad> wezlo: exactly
[01:56] <`Nomad> I'm in now, thanks
[01:56] <wezlo> also you can try smb4k which will allow you to mount the shares through it's interface
[01:56] <`Nomad> I love this Maxtor Network Storage drive.. very neat
[01:56] <wezlo> but I just love konq
[01:56] <laurie> it did the first time I tried it. I've already done it 2nite
[01:57] <ToyMan2> what command will show me all of the local IP's in use on a network?
[01:57] <wezlo> no one's having over-heat problems with breezy?
[01:57] <troth> laurie: it is already installed?
[01:57] <laurie> not that I know of
[01:57] <laurie> I can't find it anywhere
[01:58] <laurie> konquerer is 
[01:58] <troth> laurie: did you check the "k" button on the taskbar, and then the internet bar?
[01:59] <laurie> hehe
[01:59] <laurie> yeah dude 
[01:59] <laurie> I'm not that new!
[02:00] <PJeremy> laurie: open adept (k-menu->system->adept) and search for mozilla-firefox
[02:00] <`Nomad> wezlo: Are there known power management issues?
[02:01] <wezlo> dunno, haven't seen any on the forums
[02:01] <`Nomad> I have this weird thing where I can't figure out how to fix it.  When i ask for a reboot my system does a shutdown.  I think it's PM related
[02:01] <troth> laurie: what does it say when you type sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox ?
[02:01] <laurie> mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb - Mozilla Firefox English language/region package
[02:01] <laurie> openoffice.org2 - OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0
[02:01] <laurie> oops 
[02:01] <laurie> not that
[02:01] <laurie> hold on
[02:02] <wezlo> yah
[02:02] <wezlo> I think so too
[02:02] <laurie> Reading package lists... Done
[02:02] <laurie> Building dependency tree... Done
[02:02] <laurie> Package mozilla-firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:02] <laurie> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[02:02] <laurie> is only available from another source
[02:02] <laurie> E: Package mozilla-firefox has no installation candidate
[02:02] <PJeremy> laurie: have you altered your sources.list yet?
[02:02] <PJeremy> apparently not..
[02:02] <wezlo> Nomad, the fan works for a bit and then it will stop working at all, and what happens is that I get a over-heat shutdown
[02:02] <troth> thats has to be it
[02:03] <troth> the sources list that is
[02:03] <wezlo> Nomad, I'm wondering if it's a kernel issue
[02:03] <laurie> not that I know of
[02:04] <`Nomad> wezlo:you've tried a different fan I presume
[02:04] <PJeremy> !sources
[02:04] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[02:04] <PJeremy> laurie: ^^
[02:04] <laurie> o
[02:04] <wezlo> Nomad, it' sa laptop, I"m kinda stuck
[02:04] <`Nomad> oh.. :(
[02:04] <laurieow> not that I know of
[02:04] <wezlo> Nomad, worked GREAT in hoary
[02:04] <laurie> how do I do that?
[02:05] <laurie> ?
[02:05] <`Nomad> wezlo: the fact that it's a laptop makes me think there,s a PM issue even more then
[02:05] <wezlo> now my battery life has dropped about 20 minutes and I have this over-head problem
[02:05] <wezlo> Nomad, I agree
[02:05] <ToyMan2> ah, nmap.... nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24  
[02:05] <troth> laurie: read the links
[02:05] <wezlo> but the forums are quiet on it
[02:05] <`Nomad> I'm no expert, but have you tried playing with your bios settings for power management
[02:06] <wezlo> no, I might check that out next to see if something got screwed up
[02:06] <sophie_> Anyone know something better than top in the console
[02:06] <wezlo> it's an averatec laptop, I love this thing
[02:06] <laurie> k thanks!
[02:07] <`Nomad> wezlo: cheap and mean!!
[02:07] <wezlo> Nomad, you got it!
[02:07] <`Nomad> wezlo: you find it to be worth it?
[02:07] <wezlo> Nomad, yah
[02:07] <wezlo> this was one of those times where the reputation lived up to the hype
[02:07] <troth> does anyone know how well the knoppix live cd will work with an IBM thinkpad?
[02:07] <`Nomad> I just wish I didn't have to press the power button again when I want to reboot!!! :)
[02:07] <wezlo> hahahahaah
[02:08] <basic`> anyone here use eclipse?
[02:08] <wezlo> Nomad, are you using an averatec?
[02:08] <basic`> i cant get swt libraries to work
[02:08] <basic`> and i need them for this project
[02:08] <`Nomad> no, but I see them on sale often and they look nice
[02:08] <sophie_> Anyone know something better than top in the console
[02:08] <wezlo> yah
[02:09] <humbolt> is the latest openoffice version already available for breezy?
[02:09] <wezlo> sophie_ no, sorry
[02:09] <wezlo> humbolt, I can teach you have to make your own .deb's to install it
[02:10] <`Nomad> sophie: ksysguard?
[02:10] <`Nomad> oh console.. sorry
[02:10] <humbolt> there is no official update or backport or whatever?
[02:10] <humbolt> this is a bit boring
[02:10] <sophie_> `Nomad: im looking for something in console
[02:11] <humbolt> can I take the debian debs?
[02:11] <`Nomad> sophie:  what do you need to show?
[02:12] <sophie_> `Nomad: i need to see process by user and sort them by mem and cpu usage
[02:12] <`Nomad> wezlo: Seems to me that if there were weird issues with PM in Breezy that it would have been brought up already 
[02:12] <sophie_> `Nomad: sort them by name if possible
[02:13] <nalioth> humbolt: you'll only see security updates officially. backports are coming
[02:13] <`Nomad> sophie: And you looked at the top options already?
[02:13] <sophie_> `Nomad: yep
[02:14] <wezlo> humbolt, I guess, I just like to build my own
[02:14] <wezlo> Nomad, the forums only seem to bring up a inssue during installation
[02:14] <wezlo> the other thing is that acpi -tf always returns 32
[02:15] <wezlo> or "0" for my metric using friends
[02:15] <wezlo> ALWAYS
[02:15] <`Nomad> you could always have multiple consoles going, and use grep to filter by user names?  reaching a bit I know  :)
[02:15] <wezlo> don't know how to fix that
[02:15] <PJeremy> what's the default font for 'fixed width' ?
[02:15] <humbolt> Are they going to come to backports??
[02:15] <`Nomad> I get a "No Support for thermal port" in my PC.. Normal I guess :)
[02:16] <wezlo> humbolt, I would assume that they'll be updated even in the regular updates eventaully, the release they have isn't htat far off from the official build
[02:16] <`Nomad> No support for device type: thermal
[02:16] <wezlo> it's REALLY not that difficult to build your own
[02:16] <wezlo> it's just a matter of running alien on the rpm's and then installing them with dpkg
[02:17] <wezlo> I've been running the 2.0 releases since July
[02:17] <`Nomad> Ahhhh surfing with the alien, THAT'S a great album!  :)
[02:17] <`Nomad> bye guys, have a good weekend
[02:17] <wezlo> see ya Nomad
[02:19] <wezlo> humbolt, would you like me to give you the steps to install OOo 2.0?
[02:20] <humbolt> give me a link
[02:20] <humbolt> or give me the steps
[02:20] <PJeremy> wezlo: steps like downloading the deb and dpkg -i it?
[02:20] <humbolt> yes please
[02:21] <wezlo> humbolt OK, it's easy
[02:21] <humbolt> yes, where from
[02:22] <wezlo> PJeremy, well, I usually run alien myself - but I forgot that somone DOES have repository set up with debs
[02:22] <wezlo> I forget the link though
[02:22] <wezlo> Here's what I do:
[02:23] <PJeremy> wezlo: i'm not talking about repos, i meant: http://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/
[02:24] <wezlo> (1), download OOo 2.0, (2) Unpack the tar file, (3) Enter the RPMS directory, (4)run 'sudo alien -k *.rpm', (5)run 'sudo dpkg -i *.rpm, (6)enter the destop-intergration directory [in RPMS] , (7)Install the debian-menus deb
[02:24] <wezlo> PJeremy, that's it
[02:24] <wezlo> sure
[02:24] <wezlo> make things easy
[02:25] <wezlo> humbolt, that process installs OOo2.0 into /opt
[02:25] <wezlo> the last step is to go to the program directory and run 'sudo chmod 555 soffice'
[02:25] <wezlo> brb, I need to reboot
[02:26] <kairu0> ummm i installed the OOo debs and they worked just fine
[02:26] <humbolt> reboot? 
[02:26] <humbolt> sounds cool, but when this is so simple, why are there no official debs then?
[02:26] <PJeremy> humbolt: did you not look at the link ^^
[02:27] <humbolt> I can't believe that this is a very much integrated solution then?!
[02:35] <HungerForPork> anyone know how to stop kde from launching a program when u put in a cd or something
[02:35] <HungerForPork> ?
[02:36] <aeon17x> Disable autoplay?
[02:36] <HungerForPork> how?
[02:36] <HungerForPork> im new to kde, i just swiched from gnome
[02:37] <aeon17x> It's in kcontrol somewhere.
[02:37] <HungerForPork> kk
[02:37] <HungerForPork> thx
[02:37] <HungerForPork> ok, i found it thx
[02:40] <HungerForPork> its in storage medium
[02:40] <HungerForPork> under advansed
[02:45] <HungerForPork> 3.5 is coming out on the 10th right?
[02:45] <kairu0> oh yeah?
[02:45] <kairu0> i didnt know that
[02:46] <HungerForPork> i think so?
[02:46] <HungerForPork> that was on their scedule
[02:46] <HungerForPork> might not be 100% accurate
[02:46] <kairu0> cool i want it
[02:46] <HungerForPork> yeah, im using the beta, and theres not too much diffrent, they preaty muched refined it
[02:47] <HungerForPork> removed some stuff like some wallpapers
[02:47] <HungerForPork> added superkaramba integration and make the pager better looking
[02:49] <HungerForPork> lo
[02:49] <HungerForPork> anyone know how to get sound lag on macromedia flashplayer gone?
[02:50] <kairu0> i like my kde right now so maybe i'll wait on the upgrade
[02:51] <HungerForPork> yeah, it dosent change your settings, at least it doesnt in kubuntu
[02:53] <kairu0> i see
[03:02] <ganymed> hallo
[03:03] <ganymed> how can i enable symlinks in apache2 in breezy?
[03:13] <nako> hola?
[03:15] <kairu0> hola
[03:15] <nako> mira, eske soy totalmente nuevo
[03:15] <Strike4ce> Why can I connect to my home wireless with kubuntu, but when I stay at a hotel it will not work?
[03:15] <Strike4ce> !wireless
[03:15] <ubotu> somebody said wireless was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[03:15] <kairu0> nako, que quieres hacer
[03:15] <nako> instalar el Amsn
[03:16] <kairu0> hmm no he usado amsn
[03:16] <kairu0> uso gaim o kopete para msn
[03:16] <nako> ajam
[03:16] <nako> poz, instalar el mozilla
[03:16] <kairu0> apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[03:17] <nako> :|
[03:17] <nako> en lo de comandos,no?
[03:17] <nako> ok, ok xD
[03:17] <kairu0> sip
[03:17] <kairu0> o elegir firefox en adept (es mas facil)
[03:17] <nako> adept?
[03:17] <nako> ke es?
[03:19] <kairu0> es en el K menu 
[03:19] <kairu0> es el programa de configuracion de los paquetes
[03:21] <nako> ajam, lo he abierto
[03:21] <bobbyd_> hi
[03:21] <bobbyd_> does anyone here have skype running under breezy?
[03:21] <nako> ah, te vienen un monton de programas,no?
[03:21] <bobbyd_> I keep getting an error about my sound device eing busy
[03:22] <kairu0> nako, entonces busca firefox en adept
[03:22] <kairu0> bobbyd_, i do
[03:22] <bobbyd_> kairu0, did you need to do anything special?
[03:22] <nako> ya, le dao y  le dao a instalar
[03:23] <bobbyd_> kairu0, what version are you running?
[03:23] <kairu0> bobbyd_, i havent used it in a while, but i think i kill artsd before i run it
[03:23] <bobbyd_> kairu0, aha!
[03:26] <kairu0> bobbyd_, i think if you went System Settings -> Sound Multimedia -> Sound System -.> Hardware and changed it to always use ALSA you'd be ok
[03:26] <bobbyd_> kairu0, ok
[03:28] <nako> ya esta instalado, gracias ^
[03:28] <nako> ^^
[03:29] <bobbyd_> is there any way to force apt-get to remove a package without running it's configure script? I have a broken package I can't remove...
[03:29] <bobbyd_> I get thie error: pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
[03:31] <kairu0> hmm i dunno
[03:31] <kairu0> nako, no hay de eso
[03:32] <bobbyd_> seems like konqueror was sing /dev/dsp :)
[03:32] <bobbyd_> using
[03:34] <wezlo> anyone know if someone's got 2.6.14 compiled for breezy?
[03:38] <nako> no hay de ke ? :S
[03:38] <nako> ya he instalado el mozilla firefox
[03:38] <kairu0> suevacito jejeje
[03:38] <nako> pero pasa una kosaaaaaaaaaaa, ke en el adept ese no viene el amsn :S
[03:38] <kairu0> suavacito
[03:39] <Strike4ce> !wifi
[03:39] <ubotu> from memory, wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[03:47] <nako> oye
[03:47] <recurs|ve> when i am using my laptop and it is not connected to the internet, i cannot use x.  anyone know how to fix this
[03:47] <nako> pero como me puedo instalar por ejemplo, un programa ke me baje
[03:47] <nako> como el amsn, por ejemplo
[03:47] <Strike4ce> My wireless works at home but when I go to a hotel it will not work.  Anyone know a solution?
[03:48] <kairu0> nako, depende del paquete. par exemple, si es .deb debes hacer "dpkg -i xyz.deb" si es .tar.gz es mucho mas complicado
[03:49] <kairu0> Strike4ce, the hotel is bluetooth?
[03:49] <Strike4ce> Know just regular wifi
[03:50] <Strike4ce> oops lol NO
[03:50] <aven> hello!
[03:50] <nako> jo =(
[03:53] <kairu0> Strike4ce, do you use wep at home?
[03:58] <bobbyd_> is there a breezy package for freenx?
[03:58] <ganymed> hi. i have a probem with symlinks on my apache2 server - they are not activated and inserting FollowSymLinks in the 'default' server config file doesn't change that...
[03:58] <ganymed> any ideas?
[04:00] <bobbyd_> ganymed, are you doing /etc/init.d/pache2 restart to restart it after chaingig the cofig?
[04:00] <ganymed> of course... :)
[04:00] <bobbyd_> because just using apachecontrol doesn't work
[04:01] <bobbyd_> ganymed, no idea then, maybe ask in #apache
[04:01] <ganymed> well, i didn't know that, but i amusing the init script anyway
[04:01] <ganymed> ok, thx anyway
[04:01] <murtaugh> hey all, I'm trying to install a driver for a kyocera aircard. Is there anyone who would mind giving me a hand?
[04:02] <bobbyd_> just ask
[04:03] <murtaugh> I'm trying to install using this page, the driver is most of the bottom of the page http://wireless-internet-broadband-service.com/#Anchor-Fo-857
[04:07] <kairu0> murtaugh, where are you at in the install?
[04:07] <lawpz> how can i boot xubuntu with x?
[04:08] <murtaugh> kairu0, I copied the driver to the serial dir, and im trying to do the make modules but its giving me an error
[04:08] <kairu0> what error
[04:08] <kairu0> lawpz, are you using kubuntu until now?
[04:08] <murtaugh> /bin/sh: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-9/scripts/gcc-version.sh: No such file or directory
[04:09] <murtaugh> oops
[04:09] <lawpz> i just installed xubuntu on kubuntu
[04:09] <murtaugh> no rule to make target 'modules'. Stop
[04:09] <kairu0> lawpz, on the kdm login screen there should be an option to choose xfce for a session
[04:09] <murtaugh> I think i need to specify to use gcc3.4 I think its defaulting to 4.0
[04:09] <lawpz> but after boot it starts with console
[04:10] <lawpz> no i did server install
[04:10] <kairu0> murtaugh, that could be.. do you have gcc3.4 and gcc4.0 installed?
[04:10] <murtaugh> yes, is there a way to say use gcc3.4 instead of 4 without removing 4?
[04:10] <kairu0> lawpz, do you have gdm or xdm installed? you'll probably want a login manager
[04:11] <kairu0> murtaugh, yes but i dont know it :)
[04:11] <murtaugh> its google time ;)
[04:11] <lawpz> ok, apt-get xdm?
[04:12] <kairu0> apt-get install xdm or gdm
[04:12] <kairu0> ive only used gdm and kdm 
[04:12] <kairu0> if gdm doesnt have a plethora of dependencies i'd choose it
[04:16] <smonkey> What do you guys know about running KDE on a multe screen x-server?
[04:16] <smonkey> *multi*
[04:16] <nako> me puede alguien aconsejar un reprudctor de audio, mp3........... ke sea bueno?
[04:17] <lawpz> will gdm load after reboot? or do i have to config some startup files?
[04:17] <nalioth> nako ingles aqui, espaol en #ubuntu-es, por favor
[04:17] <nako> ok, thanks
[04:17] <kairu0> nako, necesitas gstreamer-mad
[04:17] <nako> graciaz;)
[04:18] <kairu0> lawpz, it *should* load automagically
[04:20] <murtaugh> kairu, export CC=gcc-3.4 - it did'nt solve my problem but thats how to set which gcc to use
[04:21] <lawpz> great :)
[04:22] <nalioth> kairu0: actually, it's export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4
[04:23] <smonkey> Does any one here have experience running KDE on either a multi-screend X-Server, or an X-Server with Xinerama?
[04:24] <jo_> ey
[04:27] <lawpz> almost done, just need a pdf viewer
[04:28] <lawpz> where is the software-index ?
[04:30] <stbain> lawpz: If you have universe/multiverse enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list, try running: sudo apt-get install acroread
[04:32] <lawpz> wrong paketname somehow
[04:32] <lawpz> sais outdated
[04:32] <stbain> sudo apt-get update
[04:33] <stbain> heh
[04:33] <murtaugh> does anyone know where i can get this file? its called gcc-version.sh and is supposed to be in the /usr/src/linux-headers/scripts/ dir
[04:33] <murtaugh> im trying to add a driver and its not able to find that file when I try make module
[04:34] <lawpz> its already updated
[04:34] <lawpz> http://www.artfiles.org/ubuntu.com/archive/pool/universe/a/
[04:34] <lawpz> i should find it there or?
[04:40] <Strike4ce> I need help
[04:41] <Strike4ce> I can easily connect to my wireless router at home but anywhere else it will not work?
[04:42] <Strike4ce> Can anyonehelp me?
[04:42] <Delvien> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-dm" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[04:42] <Delvien> Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"
[04:42] <Delvien> um
[04:42] <Delvien> sorry
[04:42] <Delvien> Anyone know how to fix that lol 
[04:44] <Strike4ce> I can easily connect to my wireless router at home but anywhere else it will not work?
[04:45] <Delvien> Anyone know how to fix Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-dm" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[05:01] <Strike4ce> I dont understand why I cannot connect to other wireless access points?
[05:09] <troy> hey, I've started #ubuntu-server for ubuntu-server related discussion - there seemed to be no other appropriate service channel... if anyone else is using ubuntu as a server, I'd be happy for some company (and it'll help keep SNR low in here)
[05:11] <regeya> I still don't fully understand why someone would choose ubuntu/kubuntu as a server platform.  could someone offer a good argument?
[05:13] <Delvien> When i enter Network settings, And hit Administration mode, it flickers and goes back to user mode, CAN ANYONE help
[05:14] <jsubl2> Delvien: try kdesu kcontrol
[05:15] <nako> #kubuntu_es
[05:16] <Delvien> jsubl2 i get a BUNCH of errors, lemme pastebin them to you
[05:17] <Delvien> http://pastebin.com/417895
[05:17] <jsubl2> i get some output when i run it but it works
[05:17] <jsubl2> sorry have to go..
[05:17] <Strike4ce> is there anyway I can download Ndisgtk and ndiswrapper-utils and burn to disk on windows and then transfer it to kubuntu?  Is that possible?  Anyone know where I can get those files?
[05:18] <Strike4ce> My wireless connection isnt working
[05:19] <Delvien> can anyone help me with tihs ? http://pastebin.com/417895
[05:26] <_neil> hola, como estan ustedes
[05:29] <Delvien> can anyone help me with this ?http://pastebin.com/417895
[05:33] <nalioth> Delvien: follow the instructions, dude
[05:33] <Delvien> nalioth the ones you gave me didnt work , still have th problem
[05:34] <nalioth> Delvien: your pastebin has instructions in it, follow them
[05:36] <Delvien> nalioth well i feel like an idiot
[05:37] <nalioth> Delvien: this is what happens when you sudo a gui app
[05:38] <Delvien> nalioth yes, but when i did it i didnt know that i shouldnt be doing that.
[05:38] <Delvien> nalioth its not like it says it when you sudo it
[05:38] <nalioth> Delvien: well now you know, lol
[05:38] <nalioth> you'll probably be fixin these problems for a while
[05:39] <regeya> meh.
[05:39] <Delvien> nalioth yea, but i need to fix this without having to reinstall AGAIN
[05:39] <regeya> hang on.
[05:39] <nalioth> Delvien: oh no you wont have to reinstall
[05:39] <Delvien> nalioth is there a HOW to i should read?
[05:41] <nalioth> Delvien: nope. just use your box. it'll tell you (as it has been) when something is wrong
[05:43] <Delvien> nalioth :( this time im not blind, but i dont see how to fix this , whats happening , is im trying to enable my wireless card ( since somehow it got disabled) and i cant turn it back on
[05:43] <nalioth> Delvien: i'm not up on wireless, have you been to the wiki?
[05:43] <nalioth> !wireless
[05:43] <ubotu> hmm... wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[05:44] <Delvien> nalioth well thats the thing , it was working for 2 weeks, now it suddenly stops working in linux , but it works in windows just fine
[05:44] <stupendo44> how do I run a command internal to another command, such as "wine  (echo %d | grep string)"?
[05:45] <nalioth> stupendo44: why are you answering yourself?
[05:45] <regeya> http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/ctrubyqt/ <- just to annoy your gtk/python-using friends
[05:45] <stupendo44> that's the answer?
[05:45] <nalioth> Delvien: i'm lost on wireless
[05:46] <regeya> wait
[05:46] <regeya> that's not the answer...silly nalioth
[05:46] <stupendo44> nalioth: it was just a shot in the dark to try to explain. I tried researching how to do it, but I didn't try using parenthesis
[05:47] <regeya> stupendo44, so am I understanding you right that you want to, as an example, run 'echo %d | grep string' and have wine use the result as an argument?
[05:47] <regeya> you almost had it.
[05:47] <stupendo44> right
[05:47] <regeya> wine $(echo %d | grep string)
[05:47] <regeya> or wine `echo %d | grep string`
[05:47] <stupendo44> regeya: what's the dollar-sign do?
[05:48] <nalioth> stupendo44: means "first variable entered"
[05:48] <nalioth> or something
[05:48] <regeya> what does it do?  that's an excellent question!
[05:48] <stupendo44> ok
[05:48] <stupendo44> thanks
[05:48] <regeya> it
[05:48] <regeya> um
[05:48] <regeya> thanks nalioth
[05:49] <regeya> yep, I might have to buy a copy of the qt/ruby book.  I've only scratched the surface with ruby and I'm constantly amazed.
[05:52] <stupendo44> ok, grep probably isn't what I'm looking for. It does the whole line
[05:52] <stupendo44> what I'm trying to do is get rid of the path in a path&filename string
[05:52] <stupendo44> so it would be left with just the filename
[05:52] <stupendo44> it's got to be simple...
[05:52] <stupendo44> I've just never done it
[05:52] <stupendo44> I won't forget, I promise...
[06:17] <stupendo44> where'd everybody go?
[06:18] <aeon17x> To the Bat Cave LOL
[06:18] <stupendo44> I wanna go...
[06:18] <aeon17x> To bad you can't join #batcave.
[06:18] <stupendo44> who says...?
[06:19] <stupendo44> nah nah nah nah nah
[06:19] <stupendo44> what I'm trying to do is get rid of the path in a path&filename string
[06:19] <stupendo44> so it would be left with just the filename
[06:20] <rrbiz> i need some help with kubuntu breezy can you guys help?
[06:20] <stupendo44> what channel do you think you're in?
[06:20] <stupendo44> have you ever heard the phrase "don't ask to ask, just ask"?
[06:21] <stbain> dang... stupendo44 typed it out before I could finish :P
[06:21] <rrbiz> well i asked over and over in #ubuntu and nobody answered
[06:21] <stupendo44> lol
[06:21] <stupendo44> probably because you're on kubuntu, and it's not compatible with the #ubuntu channel
[06:22] <stupendo44> rrbiz: what's your question
[06:23] <stbain> #ubuntu: <rrbiz> Video card setup any help with that here anyone?
[06:23] <stbain> guess that was it
[06:23] <rrbiz> okay, i see my video card driver in adept installed, but it's not configured
[06:23] <stupendo44> what video card do you have?
[06:24] <rrbiz> via/s3 unichrome
[06:24] <rrbiz> and it's in adept
[06:24] <stupendo44> you have to change your xorg.conf
[06:25] <rrbiz> right, i just don't know the process
[06:26] <stupendo44> what's under "Device"
[06:26] <rrbiz> can u elaborate
[06:27] <stupendo44> in your xorg.conf
[06:27] <rrbiz> ok
[06:28] <rrbiz> generic video card
[06:28] <stupendo44> ok, let me do some quick checking...
[06:29] <rrbiz> in adept i have installed xserver.xorg.driver.via which is suppose to be the correct one for the chipset
[06:30] <stbain> weird... when I installed Kubuntu, it installed everything for me and configured X automagically
[06:30] <stbain> guess I'm just lucky
[06:30] <stupendo44> guess so
[06:30] <rrbiz> i'm thinking it may have tried configuring X with via, but may have gotten errors and resorted to generic
[06:31] <stupendo44> no, it probably resorted to generic when it first installed
[06:32] <rrbiz> that too, since i have a whole bunch of video cards drivers installed
[06:33] <stupendo44> ok
[06:33] <stupendo44> I do too, it comes by default
[06:33] <stupendo44> back up your xorg.config (always the first step)
[06:33] <rrbiz> already did
[06:33] <stupendo44> ok
[06:33] <stupendo44> now edit the device section
[06:34] <stupendo44> the identifier doesn't really matter
[06:34] <stupendo44> but change driver to "via"
[06:34] <rrbiz> k
[06:34] <stupendo44> then restart and see if it works. if it has a problem, then restore the backup
[06:34] <stupendo44> I'm guessing it will work, if that's the right driver
[06:35] <stupendo44> or
[06:35] <stupendo44> you could try s3, or s3virge. depending on your card
[06:35] <rrbiz> i doubt those will work
[06:36] <stupendo44> well, the via one says it's for unicrome
[06:36] <stupendo44> so I would start with that
[06:36] <rrbiz> Section "Device"
[06:36] <rrbiz>         Identifier      "Generic Video Card"
[06:36] <rrbiz>         Driver          "vesa"
[06:36] <rrbiz>         BusID           "PCI:1:0:0"
[06:36] <stupendo44> change "vesa" to "via"
[06:36] <rrbiz> so replace vesa with via?
[06:36] <rrbiz> k
[06:38] <rrbiz> going to restart, bb later
[06:38] <stupendo44> k
[06:48] <rrbiz> almost worked
[06:53] <jesusfish> anyone here get errors and crashes when going to a site with video in Konqueror?
[06:54] <aeon17x> jesusfish: what site?
[06:54] <jesusfish> aeon17x: any site
[06:54] <jesusfish> I get a bunch of kaffeine errors
[06:55] <jesusfish> anytime it trys to play video from within Konq
[06:55] <nisq> no errors or crashes using konqueror for me
[06:56] <nisq> I have had video errors using totem...
[06:57] <jesusfish> I get errosa saying it can't find the audio then video drivers
[06:57] <nisq> I uninstalled totem and install xine-ui, it seems to be corrected
[06:59] <nisq> I was getting an error saying it could not find the codec,  I may be on different subject, not sure, I just came in
[07:13] <Cheapy> still have that compiling issue :\ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=468619#post468619
[07:19] <dean> hi all
[07:22] <dean> how do i start dcopserver?
[07:25] <troy> hey can anyone visit http://tblog.ath.cx and see if you get a light blue webpage? (need to test virtual host from outside of my network)
[07:27] <seth_k> mmm light blue
[07:32] <troy> seth_k: thanks
[07:46] <chiron> does anyone know how to change ownership of files?
[07:46] <chiron> I have some files that are owned by root, but I want to change them to a user acct
[07:46] <BlankC> sudo chown username filename
[07:49] <dean> how do i start dcopserver?
[07:57] <_chani> if I install libswfdec will that get flash to magically work in konq?
[07:57] <_chani> and how do I gte my usb drive to automagically appear? do I edit /etc/fstab?
[08:18] <stbain> I think you hit the "we're  sleeping" part of the evening/morning
[08:20] <stbain> ahh yes... HappyFool brings up a good point about making sure you have your repositories set up correctly if you want flash directly from macromedia
[08:21] <_chani> hi.
[08:21] <stbain> as far as your USB Drive... I don't know. As soon as my wife buys me one, I'll let you know.
[08:21] <_chani> anyone here know how I get a flash plugin for konq?
[08:21] <stbain> yes
[08:22] <stbain> ubotu: tell _chani about flash
[08:22] <_chani> well, I assumed it'd be in the universe thing :) I'll go read that
[08:23] <_chani> stbain: that page doesn't help! it doesn't tell me what sources I need to get the package :(
[08:23] <stbain> just do what I did
[08:23] <stbain> enable all the sources
[08:23] <_chani> I enabled the universe ones and it's not there
[08:23] <_chani> I don't remember seeing any others in the file already
[08:23] <stbain> try multiverse
[08:24] <nalioth> _chani: universe isnt much good w/o multiverse
[08:25] <_chani> hmm....
[08:26] <_chani> there are no simple lines for me to uncommetn. I may have to actually think
[08:26] <stbain> really?
[08:26] <stbain> my sources.list had them right there commented for me
[08:26] <_chani> just s/universe/multiverse/?
[08:26] <_chani> mine only had universe and backports
[08:26] <nalioth> _chani: everywhere you see "universe" make it say "universe multiverse"
[08:26] <_chani> ohhhh.
[08:26] <nalioth> _chani: if you're using breezy, comment the backports
[08:27] <_chani> I'd forgotten I could put both on one line. backports already commented.
[08:27] <_chani> been a long time since I've used an apt distro :)
[08:28] <nalioth> _chani: then welcome back
[08:28] <_chani> it's really, really strange using hte gui for everything
[08:29] <_chani> but I wanna show my friend how to do stuff, which means I have to learn myself :)
[08:29] <_chani> gah
[08:30] <_chani> multiverse didn't help :(
[08:30] <nalioth> _chani: what are you looking for?
[08:30] <Mez> _chani, use the console - sudo apt-get install <package>
[08:30] <_chani> flash plugin for konq
[08:30] <stbain> sudo apt-cache search flash
[08:30] <stbain> then do what Mez said
[08:30] <nalioth> Mez: you are alive?!?!
[08:30] <Mez> nalioth: for now
[08:30] <_chani> it's not showwing up in Adept, why would it show up anywhere else?
[08:31] <nalioth> ubotu: tell _chani about flash
[08:31] <nalioth> when in doubt, kick ubotu and make him squeak
[08:32] <_chani> I've seen the restricted formats already.
[08:32] <_chani> the problem is that the package listed there is *not* available to me.
[08:33] <_chani> flashplugin-nonfree can't be found.
[08:33] <nalioth> _chani: you sound like an experienced *nix user, if you're on an x86 arch, visit macromedia.com and get their installer
[08:33] <nalioth> _chani: yer kidding me
[08:33] <nalioth> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[08:33] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: (Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer), section multiverse/web, is optional. Version: 7.0.25-5 (breezy), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 156 kB
[08:33] <_chani> I'd prefer to install from packages...
[08:33] <nalioth> says its in multiverse
[08:34] <_chani> okay, at least I have a warning now
[08:34] <nalioth> have you reloaded after editing your sources.list?
[08:34] <_chani> I've forgotten what it means though :)
[08:34] <_chani> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[08:34] <_chani> nalioth: how do I reload?
[08:35] <_chani> nalioth: I added multiverse after universe, clicked apply. that's about it
[08:35] <_chani> oooogh!
[08:35] <nalioth> _chani: in adept i believe theres a button to "fetch updates"
[08:35] <_chani> I decided to try "fetch updates"
[08:35] <_chani> :)
[08:36] <_chani> I thought that was for downloading upgrades.. um... Idon't know why. I blame lack of sleep :)
[08:36] <_chani> ok, I think I'm starting to remember how apt-get works.. slowly...
[08:36] <nalioth> !apt-get
[08:36] <ubotu> apt-get is, like, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[08:37] <_chani> does it mater whether I pick mozilla or nonfree?
[08:37] <_chani> hte package descriptions aren't very clear
[08:38] <_chani> I assumed this would be easy because I used to be a debian user. so much for that :) although things are starting to make sense now
[08:44] <nalioth> _chani: the nonfree is a repackaged macromedia flash
[08:45] <nalioth> the other one i believe is gplflash
[08:48] <_chani> eh, ended up with nonfree
[08:48] <_chani> next problem: I played a test mp3, it worked... then amarok locked up
[08:48] <_chani> have to use killall to get rid of it
[08:49] <_chani> and there it goes again
[08:51] <_chani> also: my usb key didn't magically work. it's sorta detected but not all the way... there are messages about sda in dmesg, but nothing about sda1 or anything, like there would be when it worked in gentoo
[08:51] <nalioth> ya got me on the jams and the key
[08:54] <_chani> darn.
[08:57] <_chani> nalioth: thanks anyways :)
[08:57] <nalioth> ask anything, i'm not the only one in here
[08:57] <_chani> I have flash working, kaffeine plays the mp3 fine...
[08:57] <_chani> the only thing I reallyl need off the usb drive is more music to test
[09:09] <ORiON2012> anyone know of a CeeMedia (Movie catalog) equivalent for KDE?
[09:10] <_chani> eh, fixed enough problems for now...
[09:10] <_chani> byee
[09:27] <damnhil> can someone help me with English?
[09:29] <nalioth> damnhil: english?
[09:33] <cyne> how do i find out which files are within a package?
[09:33] <crimsun> cyne: dpkg -L package
[09:35] <cyne> thanks !
[09:35] <nalioth> crimsun: any thoughts on why my USB wifi doesnt work?
[09:36] <crimsun> nalioth: were you able to find a debug module parameter to use when modprobing prism2_usb?
[09:36] <nalioth> crimsun: no habla esta idioma
[09:37] <nalioth> noticed bob 2 disappeared when i asked him
[09:37] <nalioth> he's the one that said he used one of these on his ibook
[09:38] <crimsun> nalioth: some modules can spew debug info on events, but they require passing debug=somePositiveInteger when the modules are loaded
[09:38] <crimsun> nalioth: at this point it's likely a Linux issue where the device isn't being initialized properly
[09:39] <nalioth> crimsun: well, i could put it in my hoary box and see if it works
[09:39] <crimsun> nalioth: yes, please do.
[09:39] <spiral> hi
[09:39] <crimsun> hi
[09:40] <nalioth> crimsun: that's THIS box, hope it doesnt crater
[09:41] <nalioth> crimsun: WOW this is wholly different than the breezy ibook
[09:41] <nalioth> already
[09:43] <nalioth> crimsun: same stuff, "no such device"
[09:44] <crimsun> nalioth: ah, ok, then it's reproducible across two kernels. That helps.
[09:44] <crimsun> That implies that XP is fiddling some registers that Linux isn't.
[09:44] <nalioth> lshw doesnt find it, but lsusb does
[09:45] <nalioth> bob 2 didnt mention (most likely) that he had his running on debian or something
[09:45] <crimsun> you could try testing using a Knoppix live CD
[09:45] <chiron> artsd crashes every time I start KDE
[09:45] <chiron> and I can't start it again
[09:46] <chiron> I'm using Breezy with KDE Beta 2
[09:46] <chiron> is there a fix for this?
[09:47] <nalioth> knoppix livecd
[09:47] <nalioth> wish they made one for powerpc
[09:50] <chiron> nobody knows?
[09:50] <chiron> damn, this must not be common then
[09:50] <crimsun> chiron: the arts crashes are a known issue, but I don't know of a fix yet
[09:53] <chiron> damnit
[09:53] <chiron> I tried fixing it
[09:53] <chiron> and now it just keeps crashing over and over again
[09:53] <chiron> it won't stop
[09:53] <chiron> I have like 20 crash windows open
[09:53] <chiron> brb, restart
[09:54] <nalioth> crimsun: how many shells are you on here with?
[09:55] <chiron> ok, whew
[09:55] <chiron> its gone
[09:55] <chiron> so no one knows how to fix it?
[09:56] <chiron> how am I supposed to have sound on my computer in the meantime?
[09:59] <crimsun> nalioth: 1.
[10:00] <crimsun> chiron: you don't have to use arts; you can use ALSA directly.
[10:00] <chiron> crimsun: but that won't allow me to have multiple sounds playing at the same time
[10:00] <chiron> crimsun: it'll queue them up
[10:00] <chiron> crimsun: like OSS
[10:00] <chiron> crimsun: right?
[10:03] <crimsun> chiron: in Breezy, dmix is enabled by default.
[10:03] <chiron> dmix?
[10:03] <chiron> isn't that the alsa plugin?
[10:03] <chiron> how do I use it?
[10:03] <robin> erm. I installed the ssh server, tried to start it, and... it failed. no errors, just failed. how do I figure out what's wrong?
[10:03] <chiron> amarok isn't playing sound anymore
[10:04] <crimsun> robin: it starts automatically when you install it (openssh-server)
[10:05] <chiron> crimsun: nm, it's an ffmpeg problem
[10:05] <chiron> crimsun: I wonder when that started...
[10:05] <crimsun> what problem?
[10:06] <chiron> I have no idea
[10:06] <chiron> crimsun: I just tried to play an mp3 file
[10:06] <chiron> crimsun: and gstreamer gave some ffmpeg library error
[10:06] <chiron> crimsun: so I erase ffmpeg
[10:06] <chiron> crimsun: now the files won't play at all
[10:06] <crimsun> chiron: do you have gstreamer0.8-mad installed?
[10:07] <nalioth> crimsun: had asked you a ? in #kubuntu-offtopic. how many channels are you watching?
[10:07] <crimsun> nalioth: 33.
[10:07] <nalioth> crimsun: wow
[10:07] <crimsun> nalioth: I answered the question regarding livecds and kernels...
[10:07] <chiron> 33??
[10:07] <chiron> holy crap
[10:07] <crimsun> nalioth: that's the last question I see from you there
[10:08] <crimsun> (directed to me)
[10:08] <chiron> crimsun: I just figured out the program
[10:08] <nalioth> crimsun: bah. i need sleep
[10:08] <chiron> crimsun: KDE 3.5 now uses "system:/home"
[10:08] <robin> crimsun: it says it's not started. hrm... but restarting instead worked, so I guess you're right :)
[10:08] <nalioth> crimsun: trouble is: there aren't that many live CDs for powerpc
[10:08] <chiron> crimsun: instead of just the regular /home/user
[10:08] <crimsun> robin: cool
[10:08] <crimsun> nalioth: hmm. How about DSL?
[10:09] <robin> still no luck with the usb drive, though
[10:09] <chiron> crimsun: is there a way to change it back?
[10:09] <crimsun> chiron: not familiar with 3.5, sorry
[10:09] <robin> so I can't get my ssh key onto this comp yet
[10:09] <nalioth> crimsun: i can get that too
[10:09] <chiron> crimsun: well how do you change it in 3.4?
[10:09] <crimsun> chiron: (I don't use KDE presently)
[10:10] <chiron> crimsun: E?
[10:10] <chiron> crimsun: or Gnome?
[10:10] <crimsun> chiron: just stock Ubuntu
[10:10] <crimsun> (so the latter)
[10:10] <chiron> yeah
[10:10] <chiron> crimsun: KDE 3.5 is really nice
[10:10] <chiron> crimsun: I was thinking of switching to Gnome myself, even though I'm a C++ and QT fan
[10:10] <crimsun> I look forward to having it in Dapper
[10:10] <chiron> crimsun: but I tried 3.5 and now I'm hooked
[10:11] <crimsun> particularly since our distro's founder uses Kubuntu
[10:11] <chiron> KDE is truly beautiful
[10:11] <chiron> and just when it seems Gnome is about to pull ahead
[10:11] <chiron> KDE just hops right back in the lead
[10:11] <crimsun> healthy competition is good
[10:11] <chiron> it's very good
[10:11] <nalioth> i like console
[10:11] <hussam> is there a download manager for linux that can do multiple connections to split the download? kget and wget are good at resuming downlaods but they use one conenction per file
[10:12] <chiron> different DEs for different people
[10:12] <chiron> the new Konq is just superb
[10:12] <nalioth> hussam: prozilla
[10:12] <chiron> I replaced firefox with Konq
[10:12] <nalioth> hussam: be careful using prozilla, because you'll suck all your bandwidth to nothing if you use it improperly
[10:14] <hussam> ok I'll check it out
[10:14] <chiron> can you mount network drives in Breezy?
[10:14] <chiron> I remember you couldn't in Hoary
[10:14] <nalioth> hussam: it's brutal
[10:14] <nalioth> hussam: a real bandwidth breaker
[10:14] <chiron> at least through the fstab
[10:15] <hussam> nalioth: cool
[10:16] <chiron> damn, dmix only works with apps that output through alsa
[10:17] <chiron> which helps me very little...
[10:23] <chiron> why does gstreamer say it can't find a usable video driver or plugin or something?
[10:26] <chiron> wtf, flash uses OSS?
[10:27] <nalioth> chiron: gplflash does
[10:28] <chiron> nalioth: everything that doesn't support ALSA defaults to OSS now
[10:28] <chiron> ugh, this is giving me a headache
[10:28] <chiron> how in the heck do I fix this?
[10:29] <nalioth> chiron: i misunderstood you (to me OSS = Open Source Software)
[10:30] <hussam> nalioth: it compiles but it won't install
[10:30] <chiron> nalioth: ah
[10:30] <chiron> crimsun, do you have any take on this?
[10:31] <nalioth> hussam: compile? it's in the repos as a binary
[10:31] <hussam> nalioth: oh
[10:31] <nalioth> !info prozilla
[10:32] <nalioth> holy cow ubotu made a liar out of me
[10:32] <nalioth> holy cow! denied!
[10:32] <nalioth> hussam: what error did it give you?
[10:32] <hussam> nalioth: it compiled fine and it ran from the src dir but it gave this error on make instaLL
[10:32] <nalioth> hussam: dont use "make install"
[10:33] <nalioth> ubotu: tell hussam about checkinstall
[10:33] <chiron> seriously
[10:33] <hussam> " /usr/bin/install: installing multiple files, but last argument, `/netrc.h' is not a directory "
[10:33] <chiron> I don't know why they took off checkinstall in Breezy
[10:34] <nalioth> hussam: install checkinstall and give that a run in the build directory
[10:34] <hussam> nalioth: iirc, check install just monitors make install so if make install fails, so will checkinstall
[10:34] <chiron> well I'm out, I'll get sound working tomorrow
[10:35] <chiron> cya guys
[10:35] <nalioth> hussam: do you have the netrc.h it's wanting?
[10:35] <mth`MAW> Hello boys and girls ...
[10:35] <hussam> no
[10:36] <hussam> nalioth: it's not in ~/Desktop/prozilla-2.0.0-r6/src/
[10:36] <nalioth> hussam: perhaps mkdir netrc.h wherever it's wanting?
[10:37] <hussam> nalioth: oh it is there but it's a file
[10:38] <nalioth> hussam: perhaps back up the file and make a dir
[10:38] <hussam> ok
[10:40] <hussam> I'll try to compile an older version
[10:42] <crimsun> d'oh
[10:42] <crimsun> have chiron ping me later today
[10:43] <nalioth> crimsun: hit memoserv or /msg him
[10:43] <crimsun> yeah, I'll do that
[10:44] <hussam> nalioth: I compiled an older version and it installed. must be a bug in the new version
[10:44] <nalioth> not surprising
[10:44] <nalioth> hussam: you can specify the number of threads prozilla uses. be careful
[10:45] <hussam> ok, I'll try that
[10:45] <nalioth> hussam: i've d/l 700mb iso images in less than 17 minutes using it (on cable internet)
[10:49] <_requiem> hi
[10:49] <hussam> nalioth: that's brilliant. they should make a qt3/kde frontend for this
[10:50] <_requiem> anybody has compile mtasc (flash compiler) on his machine ?
[10:51] <toby> Anybody used a mobileblackbox / linex FM transmitter on linux?
[10:51] <nalioth> hussam: prozgui
[10:51] <toby> i.e. a USB Soundcard
[10:54] <hussam> nalioth: is it gtk1 ?
[10:54] <nalioth> hussam: idk, i use console versions of thing
[10:55] <hussam> the console version is good
[10:57] <aeon17x> Does installing kubuntu-desktop change what plugins are used by your web browser? Or do you keep what settings you had in normal Ubuntu?
[10:59] <nalioth> aeon17x: it shouldn't change a thing
[11:01] <aeon17x> Hmm... okay. Last time I installed kde core, Konqueror took over as the default browser, and I was thinking if installing full Kubuntu would do that again and more.
[11:03] <Delvien> That was scary, it uninstalled KDE and gnome just trying to remove gnome...
[11:04] <Delvien> keeps all my settings though, which is nice
[11:07] <toby> Can I hide the "...has joined the channel" messages in Konversation? I've dug through all the menus and can't see an option
[11:09] <aseigo_norge> toby: in behaviour - chatwindow ... general box, hide join/part/nick events
[11:10] <toby> aseigo_norge: Fantastic, thanks. Damn my eyes :)
[11:22] <JoeBu> Random Fortune: DOS: n., A small annoying boot virus that causes random spontaneous system  crashes, usually just before saving a massive project. Easily cured by  UNIX. See also MS-DOS, IBM-DOS, DR-DOS. 	-- David Vicker's .plan 
[11:22] <nalioth> JoeBu: what are you doing?
[11:22] <JoeBu> sorry man
[11:22] <JoeBu> just felt the need for some fortune
[11:24] <JoeBu> i did an /exec fortune ......... didnt mean to rattle anyone
[11:26] <nalioth> JoeBu: cool. but not looked upon to well during busier times 
[11:29] <JoeBu> i been lurkin for a while....didnt seem to be too much traffic
[11:30] <nalioth> scripts aren't welcomed in the main ubuntu channels as a rule
[11:32] <JoeBu> mostly just tinkering with my konversation anyways....i'll move along to my own
[11:37] <hussam> is there anyway to hide what files I'm downloading from my ISP? Not the usual browsing but the downlaoding
[11:37] <nalioth> hussam: nope
[11:38] <nalioth> hussam: your ISP knows all
[11:38] <hussam> ok
[11:38] <hussam> nalioth: thanks for prozilla btw, brilliant application
[11:40] <nalioth> hussam: brutal, too
[11:51] <Gh3d0> please, somebody may help me?
[11:51] <aeon17x> Kubuntu is really easy on the eyes.
[11:51] <nalioth> Gh3d0: ask your question to the channel
[11:51] <Gh3d0> thanks
[11:52] <kkathman> nalioth: you up early this morning dude :)
[11:52] <Gh3d0> i have to set up my internet connection
[11:52] <Gh3d0> but i have to log as root
[11:53] <nalioth> kkathman: up early? 
[11:53] <kkathman> not even 5am for us :)
[11:53] <Gh3d0> i don't know how i can log as root
[11:53] <propagandhi> Gh3d0: dialup or cable/dsl
[11:53] <aeon17x> Gh3d0: what type of internet connection?
[11:53] <propagandhi> Gh3d0: sudo su -p
[11:53] <Gh3d0> my connection is shared 
[11:53] <propagandhi> to run in terminal as root
[11:53] <Gh3d0> the server is a win pc
[11:54] <aeon17x> That will take a while to setup. >_>
[11:54] <propagandhi> Gh3d0: so basically you want to set up your lan connection with the WIN server as gateway??
[11:55] <Gh3d0> yes
[11:55] <Gh3d0> but i need root rights
[11:55] <Gh3d0> and i don't know how i can log as root
[11:55] <propagandhi> Gh3d0: switch to root using sudo su -p
[11:55] <propagandhi> then edit /etc/network/interfaces
[11:55] <nalioth> !root
[11:55] <ubotu> rumour has it, root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:56] <Gh3d0> by the console?
[11:56] <propagandhi> Gh3d0: yes
[11:56] <propagandhi> nano -w /etc/network/interfaces
[11:57] <Gh3d0> ok done
[11:58] <Gh3d0> i have the description on network interfaces available
[11:58] <propagandhi> Gh3d0: so all you need to do is provide the gateway xxx.xxx.xxx line for the interface that you're using (normally eth1 or eth0 or wlan0)
[12:00] <Gh3d0> i only have to change the ip adress right?
[12:00] <m0ns00n> Hello
[12:00] <m0ns00n> Anyone knows if there's a repository with more than two kde styles?
[12:00] <m0ns00n> (lipstik and baghira)
[12:01] <propagandhi> Gh3d0: yes, set it to the right gateway
[12:01] <Gh3d0> tnx
[12:01] <Gh3d0> i'll try
[12:05] <Gh3d0> i have to put the ip adress of win server as gateway?
[12:08] <fatbrain> anything special when setting the shabang line (bash) ?
[12:09] <fatbrain> -bash: /usr/local/bin/bleh: /usr/local/bin/foo^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[12:09] <nalioth> fatbrain: shabang line?
[12:09] <fatbrain> #!/usr/local/bin/foo
[12:10] <fatbrain> shebang*
[12:10] <nalioth> fatbrain: in a bash script?
[12:10] <fatbrain> yes.
[12:10] <nalioth> fatbrain: first line is always #!/bin/bash
[12:10] <fatbrain> or... no, it's not a bash script
[12:10] <fatbrain> it's some other script
[12:10] <nalioth> fatbrain: 2nd line is your script
[12:10] <fatbrain> I want the shell to use the foo as interpreter.
[12:10] <fatbrain> oh, thanks
[12:11] <nalioth> fatbrain: #!/usr/bin/perl  #!/usr/bin/python bleh bleh bleh
[12:11] <fatbrain> yes yes
[12:12] <fatbrain> stil the same error.
[12:18] <rouzic> Holas
[12:28] <seaLne> anyone know how to get the kubuntu usplash rather than ubuntu?
[12:30] <seaLne> i have kubuntu-artwork-usplash but when booting i still get the ubuntu logo
[12:44] <DocTomoe> I need some assistance with KMail and GMail ... for some reason, I seem unable to connect to the servers stated in GMails help files. anyone knows about recent changes in gmails service?
[12:44] <nalioth> DocTomoe: it's been wonky for me for a couple days
[12:44] <nalioth> DocTomoe: the web portal works, tho
[12:44] <DocTomoe> nalioth: "could not connect to pop.gmail.com" at your site, too?
[12:46] <nalioth> my client doesnt say anthing, DocTomoe 
[12:46] <nalioth> but you can visit www.gmail.com or google.com/gmail and get your mail
[12:47] <DocTomoe> nalioth: I know about that ;) its an inconvinience, tought
[12:48] <nalioth> i wish google would fix it
[12:50] <DocTomoe> jupp ... but I see only a little chance for that. after all, they still claim its beta. Conspiracy theory tells me they might want to boost their ad income with this :)
[12:50] <smi|e> !sources
[12:50] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[12:50] <nalioth> DocTomoe: it's a pita for lots of folks
[12:52] <vicks> the link "HelpingKubuntu wiki page" on the the ubz page on kubuntu.org is broken. it points to wiki.kubuntu.org and i guess it should point to wiki.ubuntu.com
[12:53] <DocTomoe> vicks: might be. You should contact the sites administrator to solve this problem...
[12:55] <ndazza> hi! could anyone tell me where to find accessibility tools in KDE? specifically the zoom tool thingy
[12:57] <DocTomoe> youll have to install them ... afair they are not included in sandard installation in kubuntu
[12:57] <DocTomoe> try sudo apt-get install kmag
[12:57] <ndazza> DocTomoe: thankyou
[01:03] <DocTomoe> under what program should I file a bug/wishlist item in bugs.kde.org concerning a useful addition concerning ssh authentification dialog?
[01:08] <[Surge] > I just don't "get" (K)ubuntu - why isn't there an official list of repositories somewhere?
[01:09] <Tm_T> there is
[01:09] <Tm_T> !repositories
[01:09] <ubotu> How to add repositories:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto See !sources for example soruces.list
[01:09] <Tm_T> !sources
[01:09] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[01:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> it should be in the wiki as well, but don't kno wif it is
[01:09] <Tm_T> and I think wiki holds more information
[01:09] <[Surge] > Ok thanks
[01:10] <[Surge] > I want to upgrade my Hoary to Breezy
[01:10] <[Surge] > They should add this to the Kubuntu main site
[01:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> source-o-matic doesnt do Warty sources lists :O
[01:11] <DocTomoe> [Surge] : At least a link would be helpful ... on the other hand, basically changing all hints of hoary to breezy in sources.list should do the trick. pretty obvious, isnt it?
[01:11] <Tm_T> [Surge] : well, do this: "sudo sed -i 's/hoary/breezy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list"
[01:11] <Tm_T> [Surge] : no guarantee ;)
[01:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> or :%s/Hoary/Breezy
[01:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)O
[01:11] <DocTomoe> Remember to backup your sources.list before changing anything.
[01:12] <Tm_T> aseigo_norge: hiya
[01:12] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: :p
[01:12] <aseigo_norge> heya
[01:12] <[Surge] > Backup? What's that?  :D
[01:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> Tm_T: ;)
[01:12] <Tm_T> aseigo_norge: what's up? is there any snow yet? (here was :/)
[01:13] <aseigo_norge> Tm_T: there where? norway or calgary?
[01:13] <Tm_T> let's say both (norway I meant)
[01:15] <[Surge] > Snow would be welcome down here in the Southern hemisphere
[01:15] <DocTomoe> source-o-matics source.list wont work if you add ooo.org2 final to your list
[01:19] <Tm_T> agh! have to get some icehockey soon!
[01:21] <DocTomoe> I dont get this ... I have bought a new laptop last week - it hae some kind of metal sticker on it, printed on this thing is microsoft propaganda ("built for")... and this metal sticker actually has a protective foil stuck over it!
[01:22] <Tm_T> DocTomoe: burn it! use the flamethrower! napalm!
[01:22] <Tm_T> ;-P
[01:23] <Chousuke> Or just ignore it
[01:23] <Chousuke> or write "But runs Ubuntu Linux anyway" on it.
[01:24] <Tm_T> K ;)
[01:24] <DocTomoe> Tm_T: Ill consider it if I got off my machine. Ignoring it is not quite an option, as it has some kind of sharp edges and my arm rests right over it.
[01:24] <Tm_T> :p
[01:30] <pupil> you guys heard about kubuntufor ?  http://www.kubuntuforums.net/
[01:30] <pupil> I was on Tux and saw someone mention it
[01:39] <[Surge] > Hmmmm
[01:39] <[Surge] > Is this bad ?
[01:39] <[Surge] > Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[01:39] <[Surge] > Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-updates/main/source/Sources.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[01:40] <PJeremy> !java
[01:40] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadeb
[01:40] <PJeremy> !javadeb
[01:40] <ubotu> from memory, javadeb is for sun java debs packaged for ubuntu, Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[01:41] <Flying_Eagle> tinyurl suxx >:)
[01:41] <PJeremy> Flying_Eagle: heh, well, do you know where i could get a .deb for j2sdk1.5 update 5?
[01:42] <morrow> deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu breezy java
[01:43] <Flying_Eagle> PJeremy, when i had debian i took the packages from blackdown
[01:43] <PJeremy> morrow: thanks.
[01:43] <Flying_Eagle> btw: how can i get kubuntu to use the full 800 dpi bandwidth of my mouse instead of 400?
[01:44] <Flying_Eagle> i have to set this up every boot
[01:44] <DocTomoe> Flying_Eagle: have you changed your Xorg.conf?
[01:44] <PJeremy> Flying_Eagle: i used blackdown with hoary, and i wanted to use the seveas repo this time, but get 404 not found when trying
[01:45] <Flying_Eagle> DocTomoe, no.
[01:45] <Flying_Eagle> what do i have to write in it? i thought it would be handled by hotplug.d... or kde...
[01:45] <DocTomoe> Flying_Eagle: I do not know what setting you are searching for, but I am betting that your solution is somewhere in there
[01:46] <DocTomoe> Flying_Eagle: you might give it a try ;)
[01:46] <Flying_Eagle> im almost sure, thats not the right way
[01:46] <Flying_Eagle> cause i can change the resolution on-the-fly without restarting X
[01:47] <Flying_Eagle> but  the setting gets lost every restart
[01:47] <Flying_Eagle> k-menu->"system settings"->"mouse"->"mouse man dual optical"->"800 dpi"
[01:47] <[Surge] > !wine
[01:48] <Flying_Eagle> brb
[01:48] <gibarian> hey everyone...I'm having a permissions problem with a printer in my LAN
[01:49] <gibarian> setup as follows: Kubuntu Linux w/ printer, connected to XP machine via LAN...XP machine recognizes printer, but permissions are not right....do I have to create a user and add it to the printer users in Samba conf?
[01:50] <kairu0> hey all
[01:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi kairu0
[01:53] <kairu0> hey Kamping_Kaiser 
[01:53] <kairu0> ltns
[01:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[01:53] <PJeremy> Flying_Eagle: do you have the logitech mouse man optical dual sensor?
[01:54] <vicks> so what does everybody think of suse ditching kde? could this set of a migration to kubuntu?
[01:54] <[Surge] > I wish apt-get and friends wouldn't keep uninstalling my non-approved apps like skype
[01:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> vicks: have they dropped KDE?
[01:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> :O
[01:55] <[Surge] > vicks: They're ditching KDE in favour of Gnome?!
[01:55] <[Surge] > If that's true I know of some people who are not going to be impressed
[01:56] <vicks> well, they claim that gnome will be the number one, and kde will remain as packages
[01:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. cool.
[01:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> neat even
[01:56] <kairu0> vicks, i think suse is locked in its own dungeon of poorly-programmed system utilities
[01:56] <vicks> theres a discussion about it here
[01:56] <vicks> http://dot.kde.org/1131155877/
[02:00] <DocTomoe> Just another reason for not using suse ... its a shame, suse did some great things for kde before thy were bought out to novell
[02:00] <vicks> if it's true, i think it's kind of sad for kde. suse was the last really large enterprise distro to use kde. but on the other hand it couldl mean that kubuntu gains users, so it's a double edged sword
[02:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> vicks: but Kubuntu taking users because they got upset at suse may not be a good thing
[02:01] <DocTomoe> vicks: this is true for the small user ... governments, corporations etc want someone to grab the nuts if a system fails - those big players would never use a "free" distribution on a large-scale basis
[02:01] <vicks> Kamping_Kaiser: i think sp too
[02:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> this channel will become 'suse did this, why doesnt Kubuntu?????!!!???'
[02:03] <DocTomoe> yeah ... it is calles K-ubuntu for a reason, isnt it?
[02:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> sure, better tell the ex susers :)
[02:04] <toby> I've just connected a USB radio transmitter to my kubuntu so I can tune into it from anywhere in  my house. It works!
[02:05] <DocTomoe> toby: so what ;) Recently, I have experienced virtually no non-working hardware with linux. might be dependant on my harware shopping, tought.
[02:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:08] <toby> Well, I thought it would be nice to come in here and not complain :)
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:16] <skamikaz> hello all :)
[02:16] <skamikaz> someone from france ?
[02:16] <skamikaz> or able to speak english ?
[02:17] <sKam[French] > plz !
[02:17] -sKam[French] :#kubuntu- someone frech
[02:17] -sKam[French] :#kubuntu- someone frech ??
[02:17] -sKam[French] :#kubuntu- someone frech ??
[02:17] <sKam[French] > plz !
[02:17] <sKam[French] > ok buye :)
[02:17] <sKam[French] > have fun guys
[02:18] <Flying_Eagle> PJeremy, yes, ive got that mouse
[02:18] <Flying_Eagle> (the best one ever :D)
[02:18] <Tm_T> spammer...
[02:18] <Tm_T> Flying_Eagle: what mouse?
[02:18] <Flying_Eagle> logitech dual optical
[02:18] <Tm_T> ah
[02:18] <DocTomoe> Flying_Eagle: what good is an 80dpi mouse anyways ... I cannot quite imagine what the benefits are
[02:19] <DocTomoe> 800dpi, not 80
[02:19] <Flying_Eagle> DocTomoe, they are more precise
[02:19] <DocTomoe> are you doing graphics?
[02:19] <Flying_Eagle> no, gaming :D
[02:19] <Tm_T> I am
[02:19] <Tm_T> kids...
[02:20] <Flying_Eagle> if id be an artist id use a tablet
[02:20] <Flying_Eagle> ive used one once, when i was working at a cad-design-company and it rocks
[02:20] <Tm_T> true
[02:20] <Tm_T> have to buy one some day
[02:21] <DocTomoe> lol ... http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8616686406.html (last three paragraphs) ... evil kde developers do anti-novell propaganda. Conspiracy theories and how to create them.
[02:24] <Flying_Eagle> PJeremy, i cant send private messages. so im answering here:
[02:24] <Flying_Eagle> it was there by default
[02:24] <Flying_Eagle> in the mouse-dialog theres a tab called "mouse man dual optical"
[02:25] <Flying_Eagle> and there i can set up my mouse-resolution
[02:25] <PJeremy> heh, not here..
[02:25] <PJeremy> i assume yours is connected to usb?
[02:25] <Flying_Eagle> PJeremy, our kubuntus differ alot though they are both breezies
[02:25] <Flying_Eagle> PJeremy, sure
[02:26] <PJeremy> yes they appear to differ a lot indeed..
[02:26] <toby> Anyone able to disable Kscd's autoplay feature? It loads whenever I insert an audio cd.
[02:26] <gibarian> uh...anyone familiar with Samba and printer sharing? Seems like configuring my printer to be shared has totally messed up my whole printing system
[02:27] <DocTomoe> toby: in kde3.5, you are able to define the autostart application for inserted media, in an XP-like manner
[02:30] <toby> DocTomoe: where is that located? I don't have a ~/.kde/Autostart/Autorun.desktop file
[02:36] <toby> Aha, I have kde 3.4.3, not 3.5.
[02:37] <DocTomoe> :) sorry, toby, just noticed your question.
[02:37] <DocTomoe> anyways ... does anyone know if it is possible to start kontact with korganizers "what is next"-page open?
[02:44] <gibarian> Well, anyone? Permission problems with printers after setting up Samba?
[02:44] <DocTomoe> you might want to check #samba ;)
[02:46] <gibarian> doc, grand idea...thanks
[02:47] <smi|e> how do i get into my "places" ie. folders etc. on kubuntu?
[02:48] <DocTomoe> smi|e: could you rephrase that question?
[02:48] <smi|e> like
[02:48] <smi|e> on gnome there is a 2places"
[02:48] <smi|e> on gnome there is a "places" button
[02:48] <smi|e> which takes you too your area, folders etc
[02:48] <smi|e> but on kde, blank desktop
[02:48] <DocTomoe> try konqueror " system: "
[02:49] <smi|e> open konqueror
[02:49] <smi|e> and type system?
[02:49] <DocTomoe> system: (with the doublepoint)
[02:50] <smi|e> ok
[02:50] <DocTomoe> sorry ...
[02:50] <DocTomoe> system:/
[02:50] <DocTomoe> with doublepoint and slash
[02:50] <smi|e> and that will show me my username?
[02:50] <smi|e> and then i click it
[02:50] <smi|e> and itl show me my files
[02:50] <smi|e> yer?
[02:51] <DocTomoe> try it ... itll should tell you something like "Home folder" ... no idea what its called in the english i18n
[02:54] <smi|e> how do i get into konqueror
[02:54] <smi|e> got it
[02:54] <smi|e> kewl
[02:55] <DocTomoe> does it what you wanted, smi|e ?
[02:55] <buz> type ~ in konqi to get to your homefolder
[02:55] <smi|e> got it
[02:55] <smi|e> i moved from gnome too ubuntu
[02:56] <smi|e> gnome - kubuntu
[02:56] <smi|e> kde i mean
[02:56] <DocTomoe> kind of a perl paradigma ... there is more than one way to do something. the ~-way proved kind of difficult for my newbies ("where is that ~ key?")
[03:03] <Prague2> hi people, can someone please help me with some troubles about acpi and my notebook? :P
[03:03] <cookie> kde themes setup ?
[03:04] <DocTomoe> Prague2: What exactly is your problem?
[03:05] <Prague2> i have an acer notebook and acpi seems to work though i can't see the battery status on klaptop...i searched on the net and came with this http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Acer_Travelmate_C100#ACPI_support
[03:05] <Prague2> but i'm a newbie :/ and i dunno what should i do
[03:05] <Prague2> to fix it
[03:05] <DocTomoe> Prague2: Do you use kubuntus kernel or do you use a self-compiled kernel?
[03:05] <Prague2> kubuntu
[03:05] <DocTomoe> what does ACPI -V tell you?
[03:06] <Prague2> acpi 0.09
[03:07] <DocTomoe> Prague2: CAPITAL V, not lower-case :)
[03:07] <Prague2> oops -.- sorry :X
[03:07] <Prague2> command not found
[03:08] <DocTomoe> acpi -v works, but acpi -V not??!?
[03:08] <Prague2> :/
[03:08] <Prague2> that's what it's displayed on the console
[03:09] <DocTomoe> check your syntax.
[03:12] <gibarian> Does anyone how to repair the awfully broken admin system in KDE 3.4? Slowly but surely it's driving me mad
[03:16] <rohan> hi all
[03:17] <rohan> i am upgrading from kubuntu breezy preview to breezy final. any problem i must expect ?
[03:18] <Tm_T> rohan: how you are doing that?
[03:18] <rohan> Tm_T: apt-get 
[03:18] <Tm_T> rohan: err, IF you have updated your "preview" regularly, you are using final+
[03:19] <rohan> Tm_T: no. i installed today :)
[03:19] <Tm_T> ok
[03:19] <Tm_T> no problems in my knowledge
[03:19] <rohan> so, any known problems ?
[03:19] <rohan> ok.
[03:19] <Tm_T> just apt-het update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:19] <rohan> why does kubuntu not have firefox by default :(
[03:20] <Tm_T> rohan: because we have Konqueror
[03:20] <gibarian> Uh, anyone know why a USB printer would suddenly quit working? Not be recognized anymore...etc.?
[03:20] <rohan> Tm_T: which is not half as good as firefox :)
[03:20] <rohan> for me
[03:20] <Tm_T> rohan: then install firefox by yourself
[03:20] <rohan> Tm_T: sure.. i get the point
[03:21] <Tm_T> rohan: we can't make things just because you like so ;-)
[03:21] <rohan> as away from gtk as possible, right ?
[03:21] <rohan> Tm_T: my mistake :)
[03:21] <Tm_T> yu
[03:21] <Tm_T> np
[03:21] <Tm_T> rohan: and just so you know, don't take me too seriously ;)
[03:22] <rohan> and i am on preview, so i dont even have adept
[03:22] <rohan> Tm_T: no, it was rude on my part, i realize
[03:22] <Tm_T> not even
[03:22] <Tm_T> people are used to firefox
[03:22] <Tm_T> "IE -like" solution may frighten somewhat
[03:23] <rohan> wow! kubuntu cds in shipit next release !
[03:23] <rohan> wow
[03:23] <Tm_T> (web and file browser in one)
[03:23] <rohan> and ubuntu is doing something like knoppix :(
[03:23] <Tm_T> rohan: yu, do update && dist-upgrade and ask if you encounter any problems
[03:23] <rohan> sure. i will do that today night.
[03:24] <rohan> one pressing problem though
[03:24] <rohan> i added NOPASSWD to sudoers still it doesnt work
[03:24] <rohan> asks me for password :(
[03:24] <Tm_T> don't do that :(
[03:24] <rohan> why, Tm_T ?
[03:24] <PJeremy> wasn't azureus in the hoary repos?
[03:24] <Tm_T> it makes me feel unsecure
[03:24] <Tm_T> PJeremy: hope not ;-P
[03:25] <Tm_T> Ktorrent <3
[03:25] <rohan> i hate having to type root password every now and then, Tm_T :)
[03:25] <rohan> Tm_T: what doe "<3" stand for ?
[03:25] <Tm_T> rohan: a heart
[03:25] <rohan> really ? i cant visualize :)
[03:25] <PJeremy> rohan: 45 to the left and you'll see
[03:25] <Tm_T> more like 90
[03:25] <rohan> 90
[03:26] <rohan> got it
[03:26] <Tm_T> right
[03:26] <rohan> PJeremy: how u got that "degree" symbol so easily ?
[03:26] <Tm_T> rohan: I use spearate dekstop for root shells etc
[03:26] <PJeremy> Tm_T: i know its 90..but he has to do a lil bit too ;)
[03:26] <Tm_T> PJeremy: =)
[03:26] <PJeremy> rohan: it's on the keyboard
[03:26] <rohan> PJeremy: qwerty ?
[03:26] <PJeremy> rohan: yes
[03:26] <gibarian> uh, anyone know anything about USB printers suddenly not working anymore?
[03:27] <rohan> rohan   ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL  [03:27] <Tm_T> PJeremy: hmm, not in every qwerty
[03:27] <rohan> PJeremy: not in mine
[03:27] <rohan> :)
[03:27] <PJeremy> Tm_T: well, technically, it's qwertz ;)
[03:27] <Tm_T> :p
[03:27] <hc> Aloha..
[03:27] <Tm_T> hc: hm, you should NOT irc as root
[03:27] <rohan> PJeremy: whats that >?
[03:27] <Tm_T> ;)
[03:28] <hc> ...... as i say.. I might be a little drunk
[03:28] <hc> or something like that
[03:28] <PJeremy> rohan: german keyboard layout
[03:28] <rohan> PJeremy: oh, ok.
[03:28] <Tm_T> hc: then you shouldnt be here, irc is a bad place for drunken
[03:28] <rohan> lol Tm_T 
[03:28] <Tm_T> hc: have a sleep and clean your head, we will gladly help you later too ;)
[03:28] <hc> Erhm, Somehow i choosed to install kubuntu with english keyboard and language...
[03:29] <Tm_T> rohan: I really mean it...
[03:29] <rohan> sure, Tm_T 
[03:29] <hc> how can i change that to danish _
[03:29] <rohan> hc: by logging out
[03:29] <PJeremy> Tm_T: does ktorrent have the same plugins+functionality as azureus?
[03:30] <Tm_T> rohan: I've been done some nasty things for drunken people... can't say it's funny...
[03:30] <rohan> rohan   ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL  [03:30] <rohan> Tm_T: tell :)
[03:30] <Tm_T> PJeremy: don't know about plugins, but there's more functions thta I need =)
[03:30] <Tm_T> PJeremy: in devel version I mean
[03:30] <Tm_T> rohan: better not
[03:30] <rohan> fine :S
[03:31] <Tm_T> but I can tell, it must hurts...
[03:31] <PJeremy> Tm_T: is there a safepeer-like plugin ?
[03:32] <Tm_T> what's that?
[03:32] <rohan> cya guys
[03:32] <rohan> later
[03:32] <rohan> at night
[03:32] <rohan> :)
[03:32] <Tm_T> moro
[03:32] <rohan> Tm_T: cya
[03:33] <Tm_T> PJeremy: but, test it, and find out if it's good enough
[03:33] <PJeremy> Tm_T: you know what peerguardian is don't you? safepeer is a plugin for azureus, which downloads the peerguardian list every time you start azureus.
[03:34] <Tm_T> peerguardian?
[03:34] <Tm_T> I use Ktorrent to download distros, that's about all :p
[03:35] <PJeremy> Tm_T: http://phoenixlabs.org/
[03:39] <Secutor> I have a question about music. I'm running Rythmbox and would like to see a selection of Internet radio stations. Which app would I use to browse available Internet stations?
[03:40] <Alex[RM-UK] > hi
[03:41] <Alex[RM-UK] > can anyone help me fix my problem?
[03:41] <Enric0> hy guys, the apt-get command for kubuntu is the same as apt-get for debian???
[03:41] <Alex[RM-UK] > I installed Kubuntu last night, came to it this morning and it wont start up. It just hangs on the Loading Grub screen
[03:41] <Chousuke> First you need to tell us what your problem is.
[03:41] <Chousuke> :)
[03:41] <Chousuke> ah.
[03:41] <Alex[RM-UK] > lol
[03:41] <Chousuke> Enric0: yes.
[03:42] <Chousuke> Alex[RM-UK] : does it give any weird messages.
[03:42] <Alex[RM-UK] > nope,
[03:42] <Chousuke> weird.
[03:42] <Alex[RM-UK] > just goes Grub loading stage1.5        Loading Grub
[03:42] <Alex[RM-UK] > it will stay ther all day
[03:42] <Chousuke> I don't know much about grub.
[03:42] <Chousuke> I can't help you fix this, but maybe someone else can.
[03:43] <Chousuke> sounds like an error in configuration
[03:44] <Alex[RM-UK] > i havn't touched the config
[03:45] <Tm_T> :o
[03:46] <Chousuke> Alex[RM-UK] : Maybe the installer sucked then.
[03:46] <Secutor> Alex: another install may be in order.
[03:46] <Chousuke> It shouldn't.
[03:46] <Chousuke> Secutor: Nah.
[03:47] <Alex[RM-UK] > Secutor, I installed Kubuntu last night .... 
[03:47] <Secutor> Enrico: was it a straight install or were you do a dual-boot or changing partitions...?
[03:48] <Secutor> Alex actually...
[03:48] <Chousuke> Not very convincing when it fails like this, is it.
[03:49] <Alex[RM-UK] > straight install onto my spare 15GB disc, with my 80GB windows disc unpowered, 
[03:49] <Chousuke> hmm
[03:49] <Chousuke> unpowered?
[03:50] <Secutor> And is it still unpowered?
[03:50] <Alex[RM-UK] > power taken out..I always do it cos I have too many important files on there to loose incase something goes wrong!
[03:50] <Alex[RM-UK] > Secutor, yes
[03:50] <Alex[RM-UK] > but with the IDE cable attached,
[03:50] <Chousuke> maybe your bios configuration has changed, and grub gets confused.
[03:50] <Alex[RM-UK] > but it doesn't show in the bios so it shouldn't be affected, 
[03:51] <Enric0> Secutor, i don't understand your question
[03:51] <Secutor> Has it worked with Linux for you in the past to unpower a disk but leave it connected and yet a Linux distro comes up OK?
[03:52] <Alex[RM-UK] > yerp,
[03:53] <Secutor> Not sure about your situation but my learning experience included trying putting GRUB on the MBR sometimes and in the root directory other times to get things to work.
[03:54] <Chousuke> it seems to get past stage 1.5
[03:54] <Chousuke> so it loads itself from MBR or wherever
[03:55] <Chousuke> but that's it.
[03:55] <Alex[RM-UK] > yeh, then just says Loading Grub
[03:56] <Secutor> Just an idea...on some distros, using the install CD, you are given the option of reinstalling just the GRUB. That might be an option for you to try.
[03:56] <Alex[RM-UK] > how do I do that via Kubuntu?
[03:58] <Secutor> Sorry, I'm fairly new to Kubuntu... from regular Deb and Mepis... so I'm not sure. My one and only install to this Powerbook went fine so I have little troubleshooting experience on Kubuntu per se.
[04:00] <Chousuke> Secutor: How well does it ruun on a powerbook?
[04:00] <Chousuke> run*
[04:01] <Alex[RM-UK] > so shall I just do a new install?
[04:04] <stupendo44> Alex[RM-UK] : you should be able to boot off the install cd, and get through to the grub setup
[04:05] <Alex[RM-UK] > i'll have a look now,
[04:05] <stupendo44> Alex[RM-UK] : or at the prompt when the install cd first loads, type recover
[04:05] <Alex[RM-UK] > then what do I do, reinstall grub?
[04:05] <Alex[RM-UK] > cool ok
[04:05] <stupendo44> that will give you a possibly better environment
[04:05] <stupendo44> I had to do something similar, but it wasn't displaying the grub
[04:05] <stupendo44> I accidentally ran the fixboot and fixmbr on my linux drive
[04:05] <stupendo44> from the xp cd
[04:05] <Alex[RM-UK] > lol
[04:06] <Alex[RM-UK] > ok, brb
[04:09] <stupendo44> there's dvdrip
[04:10] <stupendo44> oops
[04:10] <RhodanV5500> is it possible to startx from safemode? cant boot in normamode
[04:11] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hey,
[04:11] <Alex[RM-UK] > I fixed it
[04:11] <stupendo44> I think safe mode is just without x. so if you start x it will have the same problem. Of course, I don't know what safe mode is
[04:11] <stupendo44> Alex[RM-UK] : great
[04:11] <Alex[RM-UK] > I took the IDE cable out of the Win Hard drive....and it worked
[04:11] <Alex[RM-UK] > now time to installe kopete again lol
[04:12] <RhodanV5500> well i couldnt use the grub that came with kubuntu for some reason and used wingrub instead. now grub seems to work but it wont start. only safemode works
[04:13] <RhodanV5500> ah sry its called recovery mode
[04:14] <libben> my mouse has getting enabled with mouse3 simulating
[04:14] <libben> how can i remove that option with out dpkf-reconfgiure?
[04:14] <stupendo44> libben: edit your xorg.conf
[04:16] <libben> yeah but with what
[04:17] <libben> i had the same thing in the beginning of the fresh install
[04:17] <Secutor> Chousuke: Ubuntu and kubuntu run fine on Powerbook (PPC). At our last Silicon Valley Linux User Group pot luck, the first seven (7) computers in the door were iBooks or Powerbooks running Linux. The spell was broken when the 8th person to arrive brought an Intel box!
[04:17] <libben> then i dpkg reconned it... and it was ok
[04:17] <libben> but all the sudden it went back-.
[04:17] <libben> and in xorg.conf there is no such line
[04:17] <SHRIKEE> Can i use my creative zen touch in combination with Amarok?
[04:17] <stupendo44> under Section "InputDevice"
[04:18] <stupendo44> Option		"Emulate3Buttons"	"true"
[04:18] <stupendo44> that's what I have
[04:18] <stupendo44> just change that to false
[04:18] <libben> yeah, but that line aint in there
[04:18] <libben> thats the weird point
[04:18] <Chousuke> Secutor: I'll have to try Ubuntu on my powerbook someday.
[04:18] <gibarian> I'm having severe problems with my USB connected printer...anyone care to listen?
[04:18] <libben> so im starting to wonder where it has loaded it
[04:18] <Chousuke> I think I  prefer OS X though.
[04:20] <stupendo44> Chousuke: don't say such blasphemous things...
[04:20] <SHRIKEE> lol
[04:21] <stupendo44> libben: are you editing the right xorg.conf? You can also try adding that line in the right section. That might work
[04:29] <Secutor> Stupendo: Apple makes some quality, well-integrated hardware; Linux is quite happy on Macintosh  ;)
[04:29] <raphink> there's nothing wrong with apple hardware Secutor 
[04:29] <raphink> but Chousuke was talking about softs ;)
[04:30] <Secutor> Oh...
[04:30] <_StarScream> i love my kubuntu ibook 
[04:30] <raphink> :)
[04:30] <raphink> last time I went to a Debian conf
[04:30] <_StarScream> it runs much faster than when it was a panther ibook
[04:31] <raphink> I was surprised to see that about 1/4 of the debian devs had macs
[04:31] <PJeremy> how do i open udp/tcp port 6881:6889 for azureus?
[04:31] <stupendo44> PJeremy: do you have a router?
[04:31] <thoreauputic> _StarScream: linux is definitely faster than OS-X
[04:31] <PJeremy> stupendo44: no
[04:31] <_StarScream> thoreauputic: oh yeh, i couldn't believe how much faster
[04:31] <stupendo44> PJeremy: do you have a firewall installed?
[04:31] <RhodanV5500> StarScream: do u have hardware-3d-accelerationworking on your iBook?
[04:32] <PJeremy> stupendo44: well, isn't iptables installed?
[04:32] <stupendo44> it might be installed by default, but without any rules
[04:33] <stupendo44> I used kmyfirewall to set it up
[04:33] <PJeremy> stupendo44: heh, would you happen to know the cli command for iptables to do what i want?
[04:34] <stupendo44> not off-hand
[04:34] <stupendo44> I don't think there's any rules by default, so azureus should have all access to the ports it wants
[04:35] <Alex[RM-UK] > I can't connect to MSN via Kopete, it says Wrong Username/Password - when it's not
[04:35] <Alex[RM-UK] > using version 0.10.4
[04:37] <Alex[RM-UK] > please help
[04:37] <Alex[RM-UK] > also why do I get these errors:
[04:37] <Alex[RM-UK] > W: Couldn't stat source package list http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-backports/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-backports_multiverse_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[04:37] <Alex[RM-UK] > W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[04:37] <Alex[RM-UK] > E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-backports_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory)
[04:37] <stupendo44> make sure the username is right
[04:37] <Alex[RM-UK] > it is:P
[04:38] <Alex[RM-UK] > everything is correct....just it says wrong username/password - yet if I use Gaim it works fine
[04:38] <stupendo44> Alex[RM-UK] : breezy backports are not enabled yet
[04:38] <Alex[RM-UK] > but I want to use Kopete
[04:38] <stupendo44> you should turn that off in sources
[04:38] <Alex[RM-UK] > oh right, when will they be?
[04:38] <stupendo44> I don't know
[04:38] <stupendo44> just another user here
[04:39] <stupendo44> but about the msn thing. are you typing your username as an email address?
[04:39] <Alex[RM-UK] > yes
[04:39] <Alex[RM-UK] > all the details are correct, but it says wrong user/pass ... grr
[04:40] <stupendo44> I'm trying mine
[04:41] <stupendo44> it's possible the server has changed. or something
[04:41] <Alex[RM-UK] > but why goes Gaim and Amsn work?
[04:41] <stupendo44> different settings? let me check
[04:42] <stupendo44> mine says it can't locate messenger.hotmail.com
[04:42] <stupendo44> at first
[04:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > also, why do I get these errors EVERYTIME i try to to use MAKE command with trying to compile anything?
[04:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > messenger.hotmail.com
[04:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > woops
[04:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > make[2] : *** [all-recursive]  Error 1
[04:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/alex/My Documents/metatheme-0.0.6/themes'
[04:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > make[1] : *** [all-recursive]  Error 1
[04:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/alex/My Documents/metatheme-0.0.6'
[04:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > make: *** [all]  Error 2
[04:44] <stupendo44> anything?
[04:45] <Alex[RM-UK] > yeh, everythign I try to compile I get these errors
[04:45] <Chousuke> stupendo44: Blasphemous ;P
[04:45] <Alex[RM-UK] > why can't linux be easy to use :(:(:(:(
[04:45] <_StarScream> Alex[RM-UK] : do you have gaim installed on your machine at all?
[04:45] <Alex[RM-UK] > yes
[04:45] <_StarScream> Alex[RM-UK] : does it work with gaim?
[04:45] <stupendo44> Chousuke: the only reason I'm trying to sign into msn is to help Alex[RM-UK] 
[04:45] <stupendo44> I don't use msn
[04:46] <stupendo44> I have a hotmail account to collect spam
[04:46] <Alex[RM-UK] > yes I can log into msn on Gaim perfectly line
[04:46] <Alex[RM-UK] > fine*
[04:46] <_StarScream> i am logged in to msn at the moment
[04:46] <_sandro> hi to all
[04:46] <_StarScream> not having any trouble...
[04:46] <Chousuke> stupendo44: That was about you commenting on me using OS X
[04:46] <_StarScream> Alex[RM-UK] : have you tried launching kopete from the clia
[04:46] <stupendo44> yeah... I know... :)
[04:46] <_StarScream> cli
[04:46] <Chousuke> IMO Any OS is fine as long as it works. :)
[04:46] <_StarScream> to see if its sending any debug info
[04:46] <Alex[RM-UK] > cli?
[04:46] <stupendo44> I connected once, but I'm really having a lot of trouble. I would blame it on msn's servers
[04:46] <_StarScream> Alex[RM-UK] : command line
[04:47] <Alex[RM-UK] > just type Kopete yet?
[04:47] <Alex[RM-UK] > eh*
[04:47] <Alex[RM-UK] > yeh*
[04:47] <Chousuke> On apple hardware, OS X happens to work best, don't you agree? :)
[04:47] <_StarScream> yehy
[04:47] <Alex[RM-UK] > it just opened up kopete, no errors
[04:47] <Alex[RM-UK] > oh wait
[04:47] <Alex[RM-UK] > (msn): WARNING: [void MSNSocket::slotSocketError(int)]  Error: 17 (remote host closed connection)
[04:47] <Alex[RM-UK] > kopete (msn): WARNING: [void MSNSocket::slotSocketError(int)]  Error: 17 (remote host closed connection)
[04:47] <_StarScream> Chousuke: depends on your definition
[04:47] <Chousuke> _StarScream: I guess.
[04:47] <stupendo44> of best?
[04:47] <_StarScream> yeh
[04:48] <stupendo44> or work?
[04:48] <stupendo44> it finally signed into msn on kopete
[04:49] <stupendo44> and I'm outta that...
[04:50] <Chousuke> I follow the "Use the best tool for the job" -principle.
[04:50] <Chousuke> Well, most of the time
[04:51] <Chousuke> If Windows would be the best tool, and there's a "good enough" tool that's not windows, then I'll take that good enough one :P 
[04:51] <_StarScream> Chousuke: well exactly, i just meant that the best tool for the job is dependant on who is doing the job.
[04:51] <Chousuke> Yeah.
[04:51] <Chousuke> I want non-free stuff to work too
[04:52] <Chousuke> like Flash and WMV and quicktime and whatever.
[04:52] <Chousuke> so PPC Linux would be a bit troublesome
[04:52] <Chousuke> I wouldn't get 3d-acceleration either :/
[04:52] <_StarScream> Chousuke: well yeh, i do find that frustrating, the 3d accell on my mac is working because i have an older card
[04:53] <_StarScream> 7500 or something
[04:53] <Chousuke> I have an nVidia in my powerbook :p
[04:53] <Chousuke> no chance of making that work.
[04:53] <Chousuke> if it were ati, it could work with the free drivers.
[04:53] <_StarScream> Chousuke: the NV drivers, although not 3d, are fairly quick
[04:53] <Chousuke> Yeah, but it's a 3D card
[04:54] <Chousuke> to use it to its full potential you kind of need 3d acceleration ;P
[04:54] <_StarScream> Chousuke: do you use 3d on your laptop aside from screensavers? i don't on my ibook
[04:54] <Chousuke> Well, the desktop is 3d-accelerated, isn't it?
[04:54] <_StarScream> Chousuke: nope, 2d
[04:54] <Alex[RM-UK] > I've just thought - Why does Microsoft make MSN for Mac OSX...but not Linux. Mac is still another operating system so I would of thought they would haev not made it for Mac aswell....
[04:55] <_StarScream> Alex[RM-UK] : same reason they don't make office for mac
[04:55] <Chousuke> _StarScream: Hm.
[04:55] <_StarScream> Chousuke: grab a live cd and try it if you are curious..
[04:55] <Chousuke> I thought Quartz is something that utilises 3d acceleration to draw the desktop
[04:55] <Alex[RM-UK] > _StarScream,  but why would MS make MSN for Mac, I thought they would of wanted it keep it straight to Windows to get more people on it ...
[04:55] <Chousuke> _StarScream: I will, when they arrive in mail ;P
[04:56] <Chousuke> Alex[RM-UK] : MSN for mac sucks.
[04:56] <_StarScream> Chousuke: you can buy them now...they are like 5 dollars
[04:56] <Alex[RM-UK] > Ive never used it so I dont know
[04:56] <Alex[RM-UK] > how do I update svn?
[04:56] <Chousuke> _StarScream: Nah, I'll wait.
[04:57] <Chousuke> besides, I don't know anyone who has ubuntu live CDs
[04:57] <_StarScream> Chousuke: quartz does do some accell on the desktop. Quartz is a really good system.
[04:57] <Sonny_Wertzik> does anyone know if there is a way to remove the kickerbar completely?
[04:57] <Chousuke> I wish I had money to buy some x86 hardware.
[04:58] <Chousuke> My old PC broke
[04:58] <_StarScream> Chousuke: but on my ibook for example, even though quartz is nice, the speed of osx is so slow compared to linux that i am willing to wait that 1/10th of a second extra for the screen to redraw
[04:58] <Chousuke> Then I could do stuff with Ubuntu again :)
[04:58] <_StarScream> since every other thing i do happens twice as fast
[04:58] <Alex[RM-UK] > >< im going back to XP, nothing works on Kubuntu!
[04:58] <Chousuke> That's curious
[04:58] <_StarScream> Alex[RM-UK] : ok
[05:05] <_week> blob
[05:06] <stupendo44> blobbo
[05:06] <StR> binary large object
[05:14] <_fab> hi
[05:16] <StR> hi _f
[05:17] <gibarian> hey everyone...anyone know a remedy against a disappearing /dev/usb/lp0 port? My printer keeps dying that way, and I don't know what the hell causes it to....
[05:24] <kkathman> good day all :)
[05:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi kkathman :D
[05:25] <gibarian> good day
[05:27] <kkathman> hey Kamping_Kaiser :)\
[05:28] <kkathman> whats going on down under?
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> sup?
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> saterday there still?
[05:28] <kkathman> yep
[05:28] <kkathman> morning
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> just got home aboutt 6 hours ago, was at a mates place for the last 2 days
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's sunday morning here ;) love the time thing
[05:29] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: sounds like fun :)
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> it was :)
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> scoping a network setup+upgrade
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> should get paid for doing the setup :D
[05:29] <kkathman> Had to be up really early this morning...son was traveling south to a band competition
[05:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool.
[05:30] <kkathman> up at 4am...back to bed for a while..now up again
[05:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> just hit 3 am
[05:30] <kkathman> yikes!
[05:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[05:31] <kkathman> Its his High School Band...they were at a football game till late last night..then about 3 hours sleep and up again :)
[05:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. full on stuff. going to play like crap after 3 hours though :(
[05:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> good luck to them :)
[05:33] <kkathman> Texas is known to have the best HS bands in the US...over 60 of the best were invited to perform...we just hope they make it to the finals :)
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> gosh :O
[05:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> night kkathman
[05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> 3.16. a healty time to go :D
[05:46] <kkathman> nighters :)
[06:01] <Unicorn__> Hi all. Is the DVD ISO on the kubuntu site corrupt. I get a 313.92Mb size instead of 3.1Gb
[06:03] <kkathman> Unicorn__: I havent heard anyone complain about it before
[06:04] <kkathman> Unicorn__: I cant imagine 3.1GB of content tho
[06:05] <Unicorn__> even in firefox I get unknown file size
[06:05] <vicks> can anyone else access ubuntuforums.org? I can't
[06:05] <kkathman> A typical kubuntu CD install is around 600-650MB I believe
[06:05] <kkathman> vicks: I cant either
[06:06] <vicks> ok
[06:06] <kkathman> sometimes its up and down
[06:07] <bhna> vicks: me too
[06:07] <kkathman> hey there bhna :)
[06:08] <Unicorn__> kkathman : the file size is suppose to be 3.1G I think
[06:10] <bhna> kkathman: hi :-)
[06:10] <kkathman> hmm I cant imagine why... theres not that much to install :)
[06:10] <kkathman> but maybe so
[06:12] <Unicorn__> I'll get teh cd iso
[06:12] <Unicorn__> thanks
[06:21] <hume> is there a funktion in KDE for resizing the desktop? I cannot find krandr...?
[06:21] <kkathman> hume: resizing?
[06:21] <kkathman> resolution?
[06:22] <hume> yes
[06:22] <hume> from 12xx x 1024 to 1024x800 (or whatever it is)
[06:22] <kkathman> yes, right click the desktop, choose "Configure Desktop" then choose Display on the left side
[06:23] <hume> ah
[06:23] <hume> thx
[06:23] <kkathman> you should have the resolutions you chose in your install
[06:23] <hume> yes, it's all there, just couldnt find it before, thx
[06:23] <kkathman> np
[06:26] <kkathman> oops
[06:26] <kkathman> hehe
[06:28] <Tm_T> :p
[06:28] <Tm_T> out out out ->
[06:30] <kkathman> hey there Tm_T  :)
[06:33] <andrzej> somebody have ati radeon 9200se  128mb graphical card?
[06:35] <hume> another detail, is there the usual KDE battery indicator for the tray somewhere in Kubuntu?
[06:36] <tenco> how can i set the toolbar of an kde-application back to the standard setting?
[06:42] <bhna> tenco: wich standard? system settings -> appearance -> icons -> advanced?
[06:43] <tenco> bhna: ah, no. the toolbar default. btw, already got the answer.
[06:43] <tenco> bhna: thanks anyway! :)
[06:43] <bhna> tenco: np
[07:09] <Renato_A> Ol todos. Estou com problemas de cedilha em aplicativos KDE. Algum pode me ajudar ?
[07:09] <kkathman> ingles solomente
[07:10] <flixor-sick> http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-commitment.php
[07:10] <Renato_A> Sorry. Ie had problems with portuguese accents with KDE aplications. Could anyone help me ?
[07:10] <kkathman> flixor-sick: Nice :)
[07:10] <flixor-sick> yes it is :) lol 
[07:11] <kkathman> Renato_A: Sorry I cant help you with that.
[07:13] <Renato_A> OK. Thanks. I suppose I'm in the wrong channel.
[07:20] <osh> Is there any good tool for administrating a dns (bind9) apart from webmin?
[07:20] <edu> Hi. Pls, which package install nVidia 'really' hardware drive?
[07:53] <Delvien> Using superkaramba and editing and modding a theme that was already made, To show Album art and to pick where it goes, does anyone know how to do this?
[08:01] <SHRIKEE> how do i delet cookies and history from my konqueror browser?
[08:02] <Blissex> SHRIKEE: 'Sewttings>Configure Konqueror'
[08:03] <Blissex> SHRIKEE: then the 'Cookie' and 'History' sections; to delete the address bar history, right click on it.
[08:03] <che_benway> Does anyone know how i can make breezy boot up faster?
[08:04] <che_benway> it takes ages t ostart up
[08:04] <wachtep> So did mine ... until I figured out it had to do with the network. 
[08:05] <wachtep> Try to hook up the machine to a network (wired if possible). He may be looking for a DHCP server without finding one.
[08:06] <che_benway> But is there a way to select what the system loads? Cause i suspect it is loading a bunch of stuff i don't use
[08:06] <wachtep> If you don't have a network, then remove the networking from the initialisation
[08:06] <Blissex> che_benway: define ages
[08:07] <che_benway> Blissex; about a minute and a half
[08:07] <wachtep> Che_benway : did you check your network settings ?
[08:07] <che_benway> no
[08:07] <che_benway> how do i do that? 
[08:07] <wachtep> Che_benway : read my suggestions a few lines higher
[08:08] <Blissex> che_benway: thats amazingly fast.
[08:08] <wachtep> Che_benway : the network is initialized by /etc/inittab
[08:08] <che_benway> LOL. Is it? Well, I am just coming from Win XP. 
[08:09] <wachtep> Che_benway : you are probably in runlevel 2 (check in terminal with command runlevel), meannig you have to edit the folder /etc/Rc2.d
[08:09] <Blissex> che_benway: XP _seems_ to take less. It put up the login screen well before boot has finished.
[08:09] <wachtep> Che_benway : OK. That may be a challenge then.....
[08:11] <che_benway> I am now in the folder /etc/inittab
[08:11] <wachtep> Che_benway : are you on a network or not ?
[08:11] <che_benway> home pc. single user. broadband connection to the internet
[08:12] <wachtep> Che_benway : is the network up before you boot kubuntu ? Do you have a router or switch ?
[08:13] <wachtep> Che_benway : or do you have to dial in via (e.g) ADSL
[08:13] <che_benway> connects directly
[08:13] <che_benway> always on
[08:14] <wachtep> Che_benway : then the networking is probably NOT your problem, since the provider will give an IP address to your machine.
[08:15] <wachtep> Che_benway : When booting kubuntu you see the different steps of the booting process (a line that ends with "OK" after a while). Try to find out which of those steps takes the longest
[08:15] <che_benway> wachtep: ok. 
[08:16] <wachtep> Che_benway : Once you identified the culpritt, I suggest to do some googling
[08:16] <che_benway> wachtep: ok. will look out next time i start up
[08:17] <che_benway> wachtep: but can i disable some services from booting up? 
[08:17] <wachtep> Che_benway : here is an article on what to do : http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/tipsntrix.html#initdonoff
[08:19] <che_benway> wachtep: excellent. you're a star
[08:19] <che_benway> wachtep: will have a read
[08:20] <che_benway> wachtep: Also are there any good newbie books I can get to learn basic stuff? 
[08:21] <wachtep> Che_benway : Sure, the internet is full of them.  Google gives a zillion htis when you type "Linux newbie", like this one : http://linux-newbie.sunsite.dk/html/lnag.html
[08:23] <wachtep> Che_benway : but this one seems better : http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/
[08:25] <che_benway> wachtep: thanks much mate
[08:26] <wachtep> Che_benway : No problem, that 's what channels are for :-)
[08:28] <_buz> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=167424&threshold=1&mode=nested&commentsort=0&op=Change <- theres a chance to pimp kubuntu
[08:29] <che_benway> wachtep: i notice you type my name before each line. Is that like a standard rule of IRC?
[08:30] <wachtep> I have no clue if it is a standard rule, but it seems very handy when a message is intended for one particular correspondant.
[08:37] <che_benway> wachtep: kool. 
[08:43] <apokryphos> !tab
[08:43] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC.
[08:43] <apokryphos> che_benway: ....just in case you didn't know
[08:45] <Mars> Hi
[08:46] <Mars> I am looking for nice MacOs Pannel (the thing at the bottom of desktop)  Bit It would be nice if it would be possible to add some programs to it. I cant find someone can help ?
[08:48] <apokryphos> Mars: what is the Mac one? Some type of dock~?
[08:48] <darklinux> hi
[08:48] <darklinux> how can i make a packet of kicker only
[08:49] <darklinux> in the src of ubuntu is not a debian directory
[08:49] <darklinux> i want to compl
[08:49] <darklinux> i want to compile new package with kbfx hack
[08:51] <apokryphos> darklinux: you'll have to make it just like you make any other package
[08:58] <Mars_^> apokryphos, something like this at the bottom http://kde-look.org/content/pre1/5864-1.png
[08:58] <apokryphos> a dock, then
[08:58] <apokryphos> Mars_^: there's: kxdocker, kooldock, ksmoothdock
[08:58] <apokryphos> (not including superkaramba theme ones, there)
[08:59] <Mars_^> i need something similar do Mac
[08:59] <apokryphos> well those are all docs, and some of them very configurable
[08:59] <apokryphos> try them out
[08:59] <apokryphos> kxdocker is in the repos, at least
[09:02] <che_benway> ....
[09:24] <fghj> hello all!  i used to connect to my machine using vnc with kdm+inetd, now after upgrading to breezy i am not able (connection reset by peer), could someone give any hint?
[09:51] <Delvien> If i take someones Super Karamba theme, mod it , and make it better, and its under GPLlicense, can i legally post it on KDE-look.org???
[09:52] <Delvien> anyone know
[09:53] <tvo> Delvien: I'd say you can (if you make a notice that you changed it and when, and do not remove the license or license notice from any file)
[09:53] <Delvien> tvo aye i didnt ,  even gave the orignal writer credit
[09:54] <tvo> Delvien: but I think it would be better to send a patch to original author
[09:54] <tvo> and only if he doesn't accept it, fork it
[09:54] <Delvien> tvo well yeah but i spent 2 hours on this thing hehe , the orignal one he made was butt ugly , now its pretty
[09:55] <tvo> Delvien: you can probably ask him to mention you in the ChangeLog and AUTHORS files
[09:55] <tvo> Delvien: but I'm no expert
[09:55] <Delvien> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31038
[09:55] <Delvien> if im not mistaken as long as you give the credit to the orignal author, its legal
[09:56] <Delvien> i wasnt sure on GPL  liscense
[09:56] <tvo> well, it's all explained in the license :)
[09:57] <tvo> more important for GPL is that you distribute source
[09:58] <Delvien> all i did was edit his work, and resubmit, all orignal text, source etc is in the file
[09:58] <tvo> yeah, ok. I think that's fine
[09:58] <Delvien> in other words, i only added stuff, 
[09:58] <tvo> certainly if you made a notice in the files you changed that you changed them and when
[09:59] <tvo> anyway, I think the author would like it if you dropped him a message,
[10:00] <tvo> so he can incorporate your changes in a new version (if any, ever)
[10:00] <Delvien> i should of just written my own lol , would of been easier
[10:01] <tvo> an e-mail doesn't take that much time, does it ?
[10:01] <Delvien> nah im doing that no] 
[10:01] <Delvien> now
[10:02] <tvo> if you're lucky he takes the changes and merges them, so you don't have to maintain your fork :)
[10:03] <Delvien> well i would rather keep up on it, rather than someone else,  since i can depend on myself more than others
[10:03] <aitor> hi
[10:03] <Delvien> hi
[10:03] <tvo> Delvien: also a good point
[10:03] <aitor> can someone help me with a sed question?
[10:03] <tvo> maybe
[10:03] <tvo> just ask
[10:04] <aitor> I want to convert all multiple space chars in a file to a single space
[10:04] <aitor> meaning blabla       blabla    bla would be converted to blabla blabla bla
[10:04] <aitor> how can this be done with sed?
[10:04] <apokryphos> aitor: man sed 8)
[10:05] <aitor> yeah, I've read it, but it's a bit cryptic
[10:06] <apokryphos> aitor: you wanna take advantage of the -i option
[10:06] <apokryphos> aitor: so: aitor: sed -i s/  / / /path/to/somefile
[10:06] <aitor> ok, I'll try it :D
[10:10] <tvo> aitor: sed -i "s/ \+/ /g" /path/to/somefile
[10:11] <tvo> aitor: "info sed" has a lot more info than "man sed"
[10:11] <aitor> cool, thanks both of you
[10:11] <tvo> np
[10:11] <aitor> tvo that did it :D
[10:11] <aitor> next time I'll look at info :d
[10:11] <aitor> :D
[10:12] <tvo> once you understand the s command and regexps you can do pretty powerful things with sed :)
[10:12] <tvo> but I go offline, bye
[10:13] <aitor> ok, bye :D
[10:13] <apokryphos> ack, yeah; forgot to escape the damn space for bash
[10:16] <nxv_> i want to create a kdevelop3 project. used new project c++ hello world. but when i try to build it, it complains: aclocal: configure.in: 8: macro `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library
[10:28] <kdude> #hello #all
[10:28] <kdude> can somebody help me get my MIDI working?
[11:18] <kkathman> hi Mars
[11:58] <Tm_T> flooooood
[11:58] <Tm_T> ;)