=== jisao1_ [n=jisao1@1meg-mtl-adsl219.securenet.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [12:03] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingRemovableDevice This page does not yet exist [12:03] And I thought #ubuntu was for breezy aka ubuntu stable [12:03] +s [12:04] SEJeff, /topic [12:04] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingRemovableDevices [12:04] ok, thanks [12:05] SEJeff, this channel is for development, bug reporting and user support for any version are in #ubuntu [12:05] or #ubuntu-motu, for universe. [12:11] I like the menu spec... # [12:11] Bluetooth manager [12:11] * [12:11] - hide due to being crap === Burgundavia takes pride in having wrote that === scotth [n=scotth@157.182.194.3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [n=koke@66.103.220.192] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:16] heh [12:16] now to make sure that all that crap doesn't start on startup, and we'll all be happy. :) [12:16] re === zyga had a nice part === zyga had a nice party [12:17] btw, I don't have it on my menu, and I haven't edited it either. === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-6.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-24-14-116-227.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos_ [n=carlos@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === smurfix_ [n=smurf@debian/developer/smurf] has joined #ubuntu-devel === __keybuk [n=scott@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === corey_ [n=corey@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jane_ [n=JaneW@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === magnon_ [n=co@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hub_ [n=hub@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sbalneav_ [n=sbalneav@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mez_ [n=Mez@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_ [n=ogra@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb__ [n=seb128@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chmj_ [n=chmj@66.103.220.182] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb__ [n=seb128@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:38] " The entire Evolution development team (mostly based in India) seems to be dissolved, with only one maintainer left to keep the product breathing (after all, there are existing Novell customers); Hula development is said to be cut completely; Mono development is also seriously affected; what the future holds for the NLD product remains to be seen." [12:38] ouchie... [12:39] urgh [12:39] robertj, where is that from? [12:39] robertj: What are you talking about? [12:39] http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2005-11-04-018-26-OP-SS-NV [12:39] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xen looks like a spec, is approved and a BreezyGoal. Why isen't it listed in launchpad's spec area? [12:39] hunger: breezy goals weren't registered in launchpad [12:40] the specification tracker was only written a few weeks ago [12:40] I wonder if that scrawny Mexican is a free agent now ;) === robertj guesses no [12:40] Kamion: So is this spec still valid? Should it get registered for dapper? === segfault [i=carlos@prognus.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb__ [n=seb128@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:42] robertj: Only 1 hula dev got cut [12:42] hunger: I don't think there's a need; having discussed it, it's more of a kernel wishlist report :-) [12:42] robertj: And they added a full time hula qa [12:42] robertj: /j #hula and ask if you don't beleive me [12:43] I'll take your word for it [12:43] Kamion: So there are no current plans of supporting xen? [12:43] but thanks for the info [12:43] Kamion: It is definitly more than a kernel wishlist! [12:43] Know if the Evolution part is true? [12:43] hunger: it's a feature request and therefore a wishlist [12:44] they're synonymous [12:44] robertj: There is a term for that.... it's called FUD === Aegir [n=richard@d58-104-16-29.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:44] Kamion: Glibc needs patching, grub-update needs work, the stuff must get packaged. [12:44] hunger: not all plans are registered as specifications; we've been talking about Xen support, but to some extent I believe it depends on upstream activity [12:45] hunger: requirements for glibc patches are serious problems for the rigid and boring dapper release cycle [12:45] Kamion: Xen is basically another arch that would need to get supported. [12:46] Kamion: Yeap... that is why I think there should be a spec:-) [12:47] it's not currently scheduled for core development time, and I don't think we have the resources to devote any to it (mdz might correct me there); but if somebody would like to step up to do the required packaging work very early in the cycle (i.e. real soon now), it could be considered [12:47] robertj: From one of the lead hula devs: campd: hula is alive and well [12:48] SEJeff, yeah, they won't kill off something that cool. ;) [12:48] besides, it's netmail+1, quite essential to novell, one should imagine. [12:48] Kamion: There are some xen debs for ubuntu. They are terribly outdated though. [12:48] somebody will need to step up to update those [12:48] HiddenWolf: The article is a lie. It's ashame that many other people believe all the media they read === koke [n=koke@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] Kamion: I might brush them up a little... [12:49] as I say, we have a lot of resource constraints, and at the moment stabilisation generally takes precedence over feature development (with a few carefully-selected high-impact exceptions) [12:49] Kamion: I do understand that. [12:50] SEJeff, anyone with half a brain can think up that a company just doesn't kill one of it's main product lines when it's been cutting down on it's alternatives for the better part of a year, and spent a hell of a lot of money on it, AND just launched a handful of projects in the last few months to make it rule. [12:50] Kamion: I am wondering what the status of xen in ubuntu is at the moment. [12:51] Kamion: So it is "didn't happen for breezy, will probably not happen in dapper, but is something still considered""? === marilize [n=marilize@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carl [n=carl@c-67-163-39-125.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:52] hunger, read carefully, "can be considered ... if someone steps up ... real soon" [12:52] hunger: will not receive core development resource (again, as far as I know) != will probably not happen [12:53] HiddenWolf: Well, patching glibc is very intrusive, I wouldn't do that ;-) [12:53] encouraging community development == good [12:53] HiddenWolf: Not in dapper. [12:53] hunger, so do what you can, and beg off the rest. :) [12:53] is blackdown what should be "tested" as the sun java replacement? [12:53] glibc patches are certainly scary, core dev or no [12:53] carl: for the most part we're using gcj/gij [12:54] blackdown shares some licensing problems with Sun [12:54] use blackdown if you urgently need the browser plugin [12:54] classpath for the class library [12:54] thats why we have it in multiverse [12:54] Kamion: Yes, I understood that. I'll try to free up some time to package the stuff. The hypervisor and tools are pretty straight forward, dunno about the kernels thought. [12:55] so there is currently no java in main? [12:56] carl: gcj/gij are in main and are used for openoffice.org === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #ubuntu-devel === camilotelles [n=Camilo@20132194128.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.241] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bradb_ [n=bradb@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@d-ip-129-15-213-134.wireless.ou.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [n=james@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:43] whats with all the insecure tempoary file bugs lately [01:43] i guess someoen suddenly reliased the issue [01:44] and went mad in every single product [01:44] or something === Mez [n=Mez@66.103.220.192] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:47] Lathiat: joeyh does a pass through everything he can find in Debian every so often; it's not the first time [01:47] ah [01:50] and be glad he does. :) === mae [n=mae@dpc674653178.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robtaylo1 [n=rob@nat5.sesnet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jane_ [n=JaneW@66.103.220.209] has joined #ubuntu-devel === el_toro [n=jonah@63-226-134-67.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:03] desrt: ping [02:03] desrt: where are you guy hanging out? === mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.241] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mae [n=mae@dpc674653178.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JeffAMcGee [n=jeff@host-66-205-125-240.classicnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj_ [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === smurfix_ [n=smurf@debian/developer/smurf] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:27] is anyone who works on gnome-app-install here? === bmonty_laptop [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:38] morning === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thierry_ [n=thierry@modemcable192.222-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mhz [n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:43] hi there [02:45] excuse me i still know very little about UbuntuExpress but, does that mean users with thin or less powerful boxes will have real hard time trying to install ubuntu form GUI environment? [02:45] what will happen with boxes than only install from network? [02:45] or from floppy booting? [02:46] Does anyone know about this issues? [02:46] is this the proper channel to discuss about this? [02:46] rob^: its best to ask mvo about it [02:46] mhz: debian-installer will still be there as an option [02:47] I'm going to email the devel- list [02:47] rob^: about? [02:47] gai [02:47] on? [02:47] installing packages without .desktop [02:48] mhz, see the spec in "outstanding issues": Specialized for the common case desktop installation [02:48] Riddell: hmmm, I can't quite picture it, then. How would a machine that can't run LiveCd or boot from CD install ? [02:48] ahhh [02:48] mhz: same as it does now === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:49] it'll reduce our cd to 1 [02:49] Riddell: ahhh, what a relief [02:49] do we even have floppy boot still as an option? [02:50] hmmm, 2.6 doesn't fit in a floppy imho [02:51] Riddell: many old pcs on schools boot from floppy if I want to install a distro that is an .ISO on the HD [02:51] or I usually used netboot [02:51] mhz: install from network is easy [02:51] floppy install is not supported [02:51] last and only time i tried netboot from a LiveCD it was a total failure [02:52] (i couldn't do it) [02:52] ? [02:52] it just did not boot [02:52] you netboot using PXE [02:52] and the netboot images [02:52] yes [02:52] so what does liveCD have to do with it? [02:52] actually, I am running Edubuntu on this thin laptop because I could only netboot it to install it [02:53] but from a liveCD... that couldn't do it [02:54] HrdwrBoB: oh, i see your question. Simple. I wanted to use the LiveCD on the CD drive to be gotten via Tftpboot [02:54] hwever, I could do it if instead of a LiveCd i Used a Ubuntu Install CD [02:56] HrdwrBoB: will that tftpbooting work for Dapper? === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.241] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:09] Riddell: so please let me get this straight and forgive if i sound so ignorant, but you're saying that I can place the CD onto the Cd drive and: a) press enter and start LiveCd, b) pass an option and start installing from normal current debian-installer c) start debian installer and choose a hdX to get the ISO from it d) set up a boot server so thin clients can fetch either the ISO or start netbooting ? === jlj [n=agp@cpe-204-210-33-233.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:11] mhz: there will be two CDs, one live one install, only change is the live CD will have an installer and so most people won't need the install [03:11] ahhhhhhh [03:12] hehehe, i thought that was gonna be too much mugic on just one cd :D [03:12] mugic = magic === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-168-181.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:22] mhz : It's not too much magic (the DVDs do it), it's too much space. [03:22] infinity: indeed (i meant magic considering space too) [03:22] mhz : So, yeah, you can't really do a "normal d-i install" and a "livecd / live install" on the same CD, without the base system being tiny. :) [03:23] indeed [03:23] lot tiny, i gues [03:23] infinity: any idea how DamnSmallLinux does it? [03:24] I'm all for tiny CDs, personally, but users kinda like software being available without hitting the internet. :) [03:24] or is it a morphix related feature [03:24] Erm, The "DamnSmall" may be an indication of how they do it. [03:24] hi infinity :-) got my Email about the SCIM wiki page? [03:24] ihehehe [03:24] We WANT as much software as we can fit on the CDs, so people have a bunch of stuff available. [03:25] minghua : Yeah, we've not really had a chance to schedule anything here about IM stuff, so you can I will probably have to discuss it out-of-band, which is fine. === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:26] infinity: I thought so when I saw your (all of you) busy schedule for UBZ :-) [03:27] infinity: I didn't really expect very easy IM switching on desktop for dapper anyway [03:27] infinity: IMHO, we should have a basic 'flavoured' Live/Install CD. So, users can see Gnome, Kde, XFCE4, WindowMaker and Fluxbox, plus some defaults generic applications we all use on daily basis (Firefox, XChat, some xOffice, XMMS, etc.) Then, we all can get the rest either from web or specific drive CD (Kubuntu, Ubuntu, etc) [03:27] infinity: since dapper is projected as a long-supported release [03:27] infinity: I just want to make sure SCIM is in good shape for dapper [03:27] mhz: what a fragmented release that would be, no consitency [03:28] infinity: also that same CD should be usefull for people that simply can't afford to run LiveCd mod but wants to install [03:28] jsgotangco: why fragmented? [03:28] jsgotangco: agreed, and I don't think one CD can fit them all anyway [03:28] mhz: your basic/flavoured live/install cd won't fit on 650MB media [03:29] jsgotangco: why? Knoppix does provide LiveCD to try many desktops [03:29] plus try many apps [03:29] mhz: knoppix don't have any gtk stuff [03:30] yes [03:30] that's why amu developed gnoppix [03:30] oh, well, good point === mhz forgot last time he used Gnome :) [03:31] so that's why :) [03:31] jsgotangco: yes, now i see [03:31] thx for reminding me about GTK [03:31] now if we had resources like novell and redhat it would be an entirely different story === tritium [n=michael@pcp0011975002pcs.sandia01.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:33] jsgotangco: a university has asked me to make a live CD based on Edubuntu but my problem is exactly that GTK thing. I need users to try as much as they can. Last time I demoed edubuntu they were very amazed in front of diff desktops (I showed KDE, GNOME, Fluxbox, XFCE4 and WindowMaker -my default one) [03:33] jsgotangco: why? [03:33] re demo/ but then I had all already installed [03:34] mhz: well lp will have the infrastructure to make derived distros easy for everyone to build [03:35] mhz: there is not space on one CD for more than one desktop [03:35] jsgotangco: novell has resources still? [03:35] Riddell: or rather, dwindling :) [03:36] Riddell: but then how knoppix can do it? [03:36] (i know they do not use GNOME) [03:36] mhz: vodoo compression [03:36] hehehehehhe [03:36] voodopix [03:37] many students here in chile have old pcs [03:37] mhz: kde+fluxbox or wm, sure but not kde+gnome in 1 cd [03:37] so, XFCE4 is probably the most expensive desktop they could run [03:37] jsgotangco: i agree and understand, I am not thinking of GNOME [03:38] Riddell: where can i grab the standard KHelpCenter css? [03:40] jsgotangco: /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/kde-default.css [03:40] /usr/share/apps/ksgmltools2/customization/kde-chunk.xsl [03:40] but the web one isn't available [03:41] ahhh [03:42] ok this is new territory, i'll check them up thanks === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:44] Riddell: I heard that Kubuntu is will to add the Qt IM module patch to Qt 3, is that correct? [03:44] s/will/willing/ === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@adsl-69-111-248-187.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:49] minghua: certainly am willing [03:51] d-i could really use evms support. [03:53] Riddell: that would be really cool. 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[10:03] ploum: strange [10:03] And this is a bug [10:03] did you install breezy from scratch? [10:03] No, I dist-upgrade from Hoary [10:03] same here [10:03] strange really [10:03] I'm not familiar with the font paths so I don't know where to look [10:04] zyga, indeed, this is not easy. I'm a bit loss ;-) [10:04] any possibility this is related to the fontconfig setting override that got implemented at the end of breezy cycle? [10:04] minghua, I don't know what this fontconfig setting is [10:04] the one that got rid of aliases of "Times" etc. [10:05] minghua, hmmm... it smells like you are in the good way [10:05] ploum: I think let the people run "fc-match " in terminal may help [10:05] can you tell me more or point me to a link ? [10:05] if you can recognize the font in the flash [10:05] ploum: it's a very long thread in ubuntu-devel [10:06] September I believe, search for my name (Ming Hua) [10:06] fc-match Arial [10:06] arial.ttf: "Arial" "Regular [10:06] (on one of the incriminated computer) [10:06] ploum: and I also have a wild guess here, is it possible to be related to locale? [10:07] since ms fonts have localized names [10:07] Hmm... all my computers are under a FR_be locale === hunger [n=hunger@p54A61FD7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:10] I said it's a wild guess :-) [10:10] oh, and mscorefonts had better call fc-cache in postinst === Oculus [n=oculus@p548D02FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Oculus [n=oculus@p548D02FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:14] minghua, is this the thread about default font in firefox ? [10:14] ploum: yes, but a big part of it is irrelevant [10:14] start with my post :-) === foxiness [n=nayif@84-235-53-205.saudi.net.sa] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:17] ploum: I don't know if flash plugin uses fontconfig or core X fonts [10:17] ploum: but if it uses fontconfig, have the users run "sudo fc-cache -f -v" may help [10:18] ploum: that's probably all I can help [10:18] minghua, I will investigate this [10:18] Thanks a lot :-) [10:18] flash recommand gsfonts-X11 [10:18] I don't know if this is related [10:18] ploum: I believe it's *very* related [10:19] fc-cache: "/home/tamarico/.fonts": skipping, no such director [10:20] hmm.. this command doesn't change anything [10:20] It's like a missing symlink somewhere, I'm going mad about it ! [10:22] ploum: did you run fc-cache in sudo? [10:23] minghua, yes. I just pasted you the last line ;-) [10:23] ploum: okay, then nevermind [10:24] ploum: do you have gsfonts-x11 installed? [10:25] minghua, of course ;-) [10:25] But in fact, it was installed before the upgrade to breezy === Chipzz [i=chipzz@noa.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mae [n=mae@dpc674653178.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:26] hey, someone from my sister university, good morning kuleuven ;-) [10:26] ploum: well, I'm out of ideas. good luck :-) [10:26] hi :) [10:26] minghua, the strangest thing is that only flash seems affected [10:26] thank for your time :-) === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-24-14-116-227.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:29] minghua, do you think I can bother the mailing list about this bug ? [10:29] ploum: ubuntu@ ? sure [10:29] ploum: altough I don't read that list :-P [10:30] I speak about ubuntu-devel (it's the only one I'm subscribed to) [10:31] ploum: If I were you I won't do that, but it's your call after all [10:31] but I ask for advice, so... ;-) [10:32] if there's a bug submitted, leave it at that [10:32] ubuntu-users is the correct forum for questions regarding how to fix it [10:33] if you don't think the bug is enough to suffice === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D02FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D02FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:45] hmm.. I found something [10:46] minghua, I found that a fc-cache $something always return me [10:46] fc-match Comics [10:46] Vera.ttf: "Bitstream Vera Sans" "Roman" [10:46] Vera.ttf [10:46] except for Arial [10:47] ploum: oh. where is your ms fonts installed? [10:47] minghua, I don't know. I just installed mstcorefonts [10:48] ploum: did your "sudo fc-cache -f -v" show anything about ms fonts? [10:48] something like /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/ maybe [10:49] fc-cache: "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts": caching, 60 fonts, 0 dirs [10:51] then fc-cache should show ms fonts for things like "Courier", "Verdana", etc., no? === minghua hasn't used ms fonts for quite some time [10:51] or, and "Times" [10:51] s/or/oh/ [10:52] ouh ! [10:52] I think I've something weird here ! [10:53] it works in the terminal where I did the fc-cache -f -v [10:53] but not in others [10:53] Verdana.ttf: "Verdana" "Regular" [10:53] 10:51 tamarico@ocean ~% fc-match Courier [10:53] cour.pfa: "Courier" "Regular" [10:53] 10:51 tamarico@ocean ~% fc-match Times [10:53] VeraSe.ttf: "Bitstream Vera Serif" "Roman" [10:53] in the good terminal [10:53] nothing in the others ! [10:54] log out and log in again? [10:54] (forget it. it was a typo) [10:55] so fc-match seems correct === wazza [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:01] minghua, I did it with another xterm with xnest. No more success [11:01] Anyway, thanks a lot for advices [11:01] ploum: you are welcome === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-24-14-116-227.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mloskot [n=mloskot@chello084010109026.chello.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lorenzod [n=lorenzod@80.87.77.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:49] I'd like to ask someone who could do small review of my first Featue Specification. Simply, have I put it (feature request) to the right place, etc. [11:49] Here it is https://launchpad.net/products/gnome-panel/+spec/gnome-panel-menu-browsable-with-keys [11:51] mloskot: it was possible to do this some times ago, but something in GTK+ changed and broke the feature [11:51] mloskot: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=300730 [11:51] vuntz: that's a crap ;-( === msturm [n=msturm@kbl-gs8065.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:53] vuntz: But, in general Launchpad usage, is Specification the right place to submit such request as I did? [11:54] I'd say "no" since it's a feature request [11:54] but I might be wrong [11:54] :-) [11:55] I think spec should have a bigger scope (although not too big either) [11:55] That's right, I asked on #ubuntu-motu and I was told Launchpad is the right place for Feature Request. [11:55] You know what I mean, just as Feature Request on SourceForge.net projects. [11:55] So, where is the righ place? [11:55] well [11:55] since there's already a bug upstream, there's nothing to do [11:55] just add yourself to the cc bug upstream [11:56] and maybe try to fix the bug (it's a bug, in fact) [11:56] (since it should work) [11:56] if you have some time, you can try to see what's wrong [11:56] yes, I will get around it and try to find what is going on, the lack of browse-by-key is annoying for me :-) [11:58] btw, I'm one of the upstream guy for this, so if you can find what's wrong, you're welcome :-) [11:59] What about this http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101309 [11:59] ? [12:01] it's older than the bug I linked, isn't it? [12:01] I don't understand this patch (link above). Seems it just caused the menu & keys problem ;- [12:01] :-) [12:01] Yes, you're right. === Yvonne [n=justme@cn-sdm-cr02-2092.dial.kabelfoon.nl] has left #ubuntu-devel [""] === cassidy [n=cassidy@50-202.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:10] vuntz: for now I put there my comment-question about state of this bug, just as a reminder to other involved developers, may be someone will replay. next I try to find a few hours to get in this. === robtaylor [n=rob@nat5.sesnet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D20E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chip [n=chip@feather.perl6.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yvonne [n=justme@cn-sdm-cr02-2092.dial.kabelfoon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487D44C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d58-104-16-29.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robtaylor [n=rob@nat5.sesnet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === womble [n=mpalmer@eth359.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Maskie [n=Marius@c1-126-16.wblv.isadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robtaylor [n=rob@nat5.sesnet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alessio [n=alessio@host219-10.pool8249.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === goldfrap [n=anne_fra@203.131.138.10] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] sorry, who is an ubuntu member? === zando [n=zando@host8-44.pool8260.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] i have a problem to import my fingerprint on launchpad === goldfrap [n=anne_fra@203.131.138.10] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:56] alessio: what is the problem? [12:57] Launchpad does not currently support validation of sign-only GPG keys. If you add an encryption subkey (using gpg --edit-key) and upload your key again, you should be able to import the key. [12:57] bu i have done a subkey [12:57] and i have resend he key [12:58] a subkey of this type (6) RSA (encrypt only) [01:00] alessio: try asking on #launchpad === zando [n=zando@host8-44.pool8260.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Sto] === mloskot [n=mloskot@chello084010109026.chello.pl] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@port161-157.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-104-202.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tseng [n=tseng@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === the_aris [i=shackan@host166-80.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === the_aris [i=shackan@host166-80.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-149-105.bas503.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@66.103.220.251] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tuxist [n=jan@dyndsl-085-016-052-147.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:05] hi [02:05] i have a problem with ubuntu and kernel 2.6.14 [02:06] See topic, unfortunately no support here [02:06] esp. for software that we dont ship :) [02:07] i cant mount my second harddisk in the #ubuntu channel have linkrd me to this channel === mxpxpod [n=bryan@ip68-13-138-90.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:07] my problem is i cant mount my second harddisk [02:07] their mistake. please stop typing in bold === jsz [n=diego@59.Red-80-36-85.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] you could also try the forums or ubuntu-users mailing lists [02:09] :'( [02:10] have anybody allready kernel 2.6.14 ? === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tuxist [n=jan@dyndsl-085-016-052-147.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === ploum [n=Ploum@155-165.247.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fbn [n=fbn@p549E0E8D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Maskie [n=Marius@c1-126-16.wblv.isadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rcliii [n=rcliii@cpe-65-26-158-102.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont [n=lamont@66.103.220.244] has joined #ubuntu-devel === camilotelles [n=Camilo@20132194128.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === msturm [n=msturm@kbl-gs8065.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ [n=chuck@fpott03.dinmar.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:43] please stop writing in bold === Keybuk [n=scott@66.103.220.201] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Maskie [n=Marius@c1-126-16.wblv.isadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_ [n=ogra@66.103.220.202] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [i=fabbione@66.103.220.245] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ploum_ [n=Ploum@62-163.247.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ploum__ [n=Ploum@38-213.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chmj [n=chmj@66.103.220.182] has joined #ubuntu-devel === smurfix_ [n=smurf@debian/developer/smurf] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.241] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hub_ [n=hub@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@66.103.220.234] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@66.103.220.223] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simira [i=rpGirl@66.103.220.251] has joined #ubuntu-devel === __keybuk [n=scott@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [n=JaneW@66.103.220.232] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hub_ is now known as hub [03:12] /w/win 41 === seb128 [n=seb128@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [n=james@66.103.220.242] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bradb_ [n=bradb@66.103.220.229] has joined #ubuntu-devel === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-168-181.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb__ [n=seb128@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:24] wiki.kubuntu.org is not found, anyone know why? [03:25] mdke: that domain name doesn't exist (yet), where did you find that link? [03:25] Riddell, most recent news item [03:25] Riddell, so what is the kubuntu wiki address? === corey_ [n=corey@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:26] there isn't one? [03:27] silly me, fixed now [03:27] wiki.ubuntu.com [03:27] wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:27] i thought wiki.kubuntu.com should point to the same place as wiki.ubuntu.com [03:27] hi all [03:27] as with udu.wiki and wiki.edubuntu.org [03:27] mdke: not yet, soon [03:28] rockin [03:28] wiki.edubuntu.org does that thoujgh [03:28] wiki.edubuntu.org is really nice the way it points to the main wiki but has its own theme [03:28] only if you're not logged it [03:29] for some reason if you're logged in automatically the ubuntu css is shown [03:29] jsgotangco, if you log in, it uses the theme you select in your userpreferences [03:29] oh wait [03:29] but if you're logged into wiki.ubuntu.com, the same cookies isn't carried over to wiki.edubuntu.org [03:29] it's now fixed [03:30] (i think) [03:30] when we moved that, we had a problem with the theme [03:30] the frontpage is locked? [03:31] jsgotangco, no, just that you're not logged in === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128_ [n=seb128@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:35] ahhh oh well it only shows my wiki ignorance :) === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-devel === corey__ [n=corey@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === corey__ is now known as Burgundavia === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@66.103.220.179] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hub_ [n=hub@66.103.220.201] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:54] elmo: can you please sync phpmyadmin from sid? ubuntu override ok === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487DA15.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=mark@pdpc/supporter/silver/sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ploum_ [n=Ploum@75-22.241.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carstenh [n=carstenh@p54A61522.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:16] dholbach; pong === Keybuk [n=scott@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:18] desrt: we should have another brief conversation with martin === bmonty_laptop [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-24-14-116-227.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-220-220.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@66.103.220.234] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === zul [n=chuck@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.241] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@66.103.220.206] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xTina [n=xTina@p54A26094.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:48] ... for those not in Montral, mdz is sick ... [04:48] ... and then there's the illness === mdz coughs all over Kamion [04:49] SARS? [04:50] bird flu === tritium [n=michael@pcp0011975002pcs.sandia01.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:51] get better soon mdz [04:51] I am in self-imposed quarantine in my hotel room [04:52] :( === dmk [n=dmk@host81-156-24-188.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:53] mdz: what kind of illness? [04:53] Mithrandir: just nasal/sinus congestion at the moment [04:54] mdz: ok. :-/ get well. [04:54] perhaps a slight fever [04:54] nothing serious [04:54] the normal "air condition and strange climate"-illness...? === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-168-181.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:55] conference syndrome [04:55] and overworking, yes, right. [04:55] how are you today, Mithrandir? [04:56] Simira: doing fine, dear. [04:56] good [04:56]