ajmitch | LaserJock: I was.. :) | 12:05 |
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LaserJock | ajmitch: I was just wondering if you were too busy, I thought I might volunteer to help | 12:06 |
ajmitch | I was busy, getting to UBZ & all | 12:07 |
LaserJock | that is what I thought | 12:08 |
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keyes | hello | 12:33 |
LaserJock | can I get somebody's opinion on a licences? | 12:33 |
\sh | LaserJock: yeah...elmos :) | 12:33 |
keyes | Is Opera included in Multiverse? | 12:33 |
LaserJock | \sh: lol, but could you look at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4084 real quick? | 12:34 |
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hub_ | LaserJock: looks like plain GPL | 12:35 |
\sh | LaserJock: oh ok....elmo is just around here...I'll ask him straight away.... | 12:35 |
\sh | hub_: na its not | 12:35 |
hub_ | LaserJock: I mean LGPL | 12:35 |
hub_ | linking against a GPL library | 12:35 |
LaserJock | well, I have no licensing experience. Is that OK? I wasn't quite sure what they were saying | 12:36 |
\sh | LaserJock: ok...approved...it just repeats the gpl | 12:36 |
\sh | LaserJock: elmo had a look and I trust him | 12:36 |
LaserJock | ok, good | 12:37 |
hub_ | LaserJock: the thing is that it warns about the fact that it links against GPL which prevent writing proprietary module | 12:37 |
\sh | hub_: we need to sign keys | 12:38 |
LaserJock | ok, so as long as we did everything GPL/LGPL we would be ok? | 12:38 |
hub_ | \sh: ok. we are you? | 12:38 |
hub_ | were | 12:38 |
\sh | hub_: in the bar room...next to the meeting room | 12:38 |
hub_ | qh ok | 12:38 |
Mez | \sh: there's a bar? | 12:40 |
Mez | down here ? | 12:40 |
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\sh | i need some electricity for this baby here.... | 12:42 |
hub_ | Mez: yep | 12:42 |
\sh | only one hour left | 12:42 |
Mez | hmm | 12:42 |
Mez | I may have to go there | 12:42 |
Mez | mmm beer | 12:42 |
Mez | lol | 12:42 |
Mez | I think I'd get mugged if I walked into this room with a beer | 12:43 |
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Kyral | So what did I miss? | 01:00 |
LaserJock | Kyral: I sent an email to the FlowDesigner mailing list telling them about our intentions and I got the licence OK'd | 01:01 |
Kyral | Oh I knew the LGPL was okay | 01:01 |
LaserJock | Kyral: I just wanted to be sure of the second paragraph of it since I don't have any licensing experience ;-) | 01:02 |
Kyral | the LGPL comes directly from GNU | 01:02 |
Kyral | its legit ;P | 01:02 |
LaserJock | well, I knew that LGPL was OK but I wasn't sure about the linking to FFTW | 01:03 |
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Kyral | isn;t FFTW also GPL/LGPL? | 01:03 |
cevizoglu | FFTW? | 01:03 |
cevizoglu | fast-fourier transform? | 01:04 |
LaserJock | Kyral: yes GPL | 01:04 |
LaserJock | cevizoglu: yeah | 01:04 |
Kyral | Yah so its all good | 01:04 |
Kyral | GPL linking to GPL is always good | 01:04 |
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Kyral | or any of the official GNU licenses | 01:05 |
Kyral | Any word from the devs yet? | 01:06 |
Kyral | It looks like an easy package job, if the AutoConf is standard | 01:08 |
LaserJock | Kyral: no word from the devs, it might be a little while | 01:09 |
Kyral | no prob | 01:09 |
Kyral | no hurry | 01:09 |
Kyral | oh \sh, can I make a request about the meeting tomorrow? | 01:09 |
Kyral | I have something going on tomorrow between noon and like 2 PM EST(Montreal Time), so if you could not hold the meeting during that time it would be great :D | 01:10 |
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Kyral | Off to serve as a New User Mentor :P | 01:13 |
LaserJock | good luck ;-) | 01:14 |
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bmonty_laptop | hi everyone | 02:38 |
zakame | hi all | 02:38 |
zakame | hi bmonty_laptop | 02:38 |
bmonty_laptop | is everyone out partying at UBZ? | 02:39 |
zakame | probably :) | 02:39 |
LaserJock | hi bmonty_laptop | 02:40 |
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bmonty_laptop | hey LaserJock | 02:41 |
LaserJock | how's it going bmonty_laptop ? | 02:41 |
bmonty_laptop | how did the research propsal presentation go | 02:41 |
LaserJock | everything is good, I think ;-) | 02:41 |
bmonty_laptop | nice | 02:42 |
LaserJock | I will find out in Dec. if I get the fellowship | 02:42 |
bmonty_laptop | I'm watching this report on NBC about guys picking up boys over instant messenger....pretty sick | 02:42 |
zakame | gaah | 02:42 |
LaserJock | ugggh | 02:43 |
LaserJock | bbl, I gotta get home | 02:43 |
bmonty_laptop | haha, they just told the guys that the are on TV | 02:43 |
zakame | bye LaserJock :D | 02:43 |
bmonty_laptop | cya LaserJock | 02:44 |
LaserJock | cya | 02:44 |
bmonty_laptop | anyone know what the launchpad-dependencies package is? | 02:46 |
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mloskot | hi all | 02:53 |
mloskot | Could someone explain me debian -> ubuntu packages adoption procedure? | 02:53 |
mloskot | Package X has only maintainer for Debian, then whos is responsible for adopting/testing it under Ubuntu, etc. | 02:54 |
zakame | mloskot: some packages from Debian main get synced in Ubuntu universe | 02:54 |
mloskot | zakame: automatically? | 02:54 |
zakame | mloskot: not really... see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | 02:55 |
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mloskot | zakame: I understand it now. | 02:57 |
zakame | mloskot: there are also debian packages in ubuntu that are maintained by universe maintainers and MOTUs | 02:57 |
mloskot | sure | 02:58 |
zakame | brb | 02:58 |
mloskot | Funny, I'm interested in moving Degian-GIS to Ubuntu, because there is no MOTU Team working on it (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTeams) | 02:59 |
mloskot | but as I see, there has been started Ubuntu GIS sub-project https://wiki.ubuntu.com//UbuntuGIS | 02:59 |
mloskot | Why this team is not listed in MOTU Teams list? | 03:00 |
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bmonty_laptop | mloskot: probably because they didn't add themselves to that list | 03:04 |
thierry_ | is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto still valid or we need to set it for dapper? | 03:05 |
mloskot | bmonty_laptop: yes, but that's the reason I couldn't find them ;-) | 03:05 |
bmonty_laptop | thierry_: it has instructions for dapper near the bottom | 03:07 |
thierry_ | k | 03:07 |
bmonty_laptop | basically build a breezy pbuilder, and then convert it to dapper | 03:07 |
thierry_ | k but will it break my system, I mean will it make the whole system use dev packages? | 03:08 |
bmonty_laptop | mloskot: if you know how to work with packages, you could ask for a REVU account and put your packages there to be added to universe | 03:08 |
bmonty_laptop | thierry_: no, the pbuilder runs in a chroot, it won't touch the system | 03:09 |
thierry_ | cool thanks | 03:09 |
mloskot | bmonty_laptop: I've sent my MOTU requrest to Oliver Grawert. | 03:09 |
mloskot | bmonty_laptop: because I just started to work on my own packages | 03:09 |
bmonty_laptop | you don't need to be an MOTU to upload to REVU (I'm not an MOTU) | 03:09 |
mloskot | and I'd like tp push them to Univ | 03:09 |
mloskot | bmonty_laptop: hm, I just read the Wiki and tried to follow official way of participation | 03:10 |
mloskot | bmonty_laptop: but that's not a problem, sure | 03:10 |
mloskot | bmonty_laptop: Yes, I have my own first small package, so first steps are behind me, then I could move on. | 03:10 |
mloskot | bmonty_laptop: OK, I'll learn REVU and push there my package(s). | 03:11 |
bmonty_laptop | mloskot: that would probably be the best way to get your package reviewed | 03:11 |
mloskot | ok | 03:11 |
bmonty_laptop | and hang out in this channel and help out :) | 03:11 |
mloskot | yes, that's what I'd like to do after hours. | 03:12 |
mloskot | BTW, I asked on #ubuntu but no answer, is there any Request Feature tool somewhere where I could put my request? | 03:13 |
bmonty_laptop | cool | 03:13 |
bmonty_laptop | mloskot: i'm sorry...request for what? | 03:13 |
bmonty_laptop | to move your GIS package to universe? | 03:13 |
mloskot | where I could submit new feature request, not about GIS, but i.e. small feature for GNOME menu ;-) | 03:14 |
bmonty_laptop | you should file a bug in lauchpad against the package with the feature you want | 03:14 |
mloskot | I see, thanks | 03:15 |
mloskot | (I mean Feature Request as something like Feature Request tool on SourceForge.net Tracker for hosted projects) | 03:16 |
mloskot | ok, thanks, see you later | 03:16 |
bmonty_laptop | launchpad would be the best place | 03:16 |
bmonty_laptop | cya mloskot | 03:17 |
mloskot | thanks | 03:17 |
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thierry_ | I think there's an error in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto at dapper change... /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/ doesn't point to a directory, not a file | 03:30 |
bmonty_laptop | thierry_: there are a couple of files to change | 03:32 |
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thierry_ | bmonty_laptop : even the .gpg files? | 03:32 |
bmonty_laptop | thierry_: specifically the pbuilderrc and sources.list | 03:32 |
bmonty_laptop | thierry_: I changed breezy to dapper in pbuilderrc and sources.list and the chroot has dapper packages in it | 03:33 |
thierry_ | k | 03:33 |
thierry_ | thanks | 03:33 |
thierry_ | bmonty_laptop : when I do sudo pbuilder update --override-config I get a error that no distribution is specified | 03:35 |
thierry_ | could be an error and that we need to add --distribution dapper ? | 03:36 |
bmonty_laptop | thierry_: I don't think so, did you specify the distribution as dapper in pbuilderrc? | 03:39 |
thierry_ | yes | 03:40 |
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bmonty_laptop | thierry_: all I can say is follow all the instructions on the wiki | 03:41 |
bmonty_laptop | I could also email you my config files if you want | 03:41 |
thierry_ | k... but I really wonder, because once I specified --distribution dapper everything worked fine | 03:42 |
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bmonty_laptop | i don't think I had to do that, but if it works, great! :) | 03:43 |
thierry_ | k | 03:43 |
thierry_ | mmm I a MOTU wanabe who wonder where to go after pbuilder configuration... | 03:44 |
bmonty_laptop | build some packages! | 03:44 |
thierry_ | in the REVU? | 03:45 |
thierry_ | I know this is a common question but : Where is the easiest place to start? | 03:46 |
bmonty_laptop | no REVU packages are already built | 03:46 |
bmonty_laptop | do you know how packages work? | 03:46 |
bmonty_laptop | i.e. can you build a package from scratch? | 03:47 |
thierry_ | bmonty_laptop : well not yet :) | 03:47 |
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bmonty_laptop | thierry_: first thing is to learn how packages work | 03:47 |
bmonty_laptop | read the Debian new maintainers guide | 03:48 |
thierry_ | then go in the universe candidates and start trying to make a package? | 03:48 |
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bmonty_laptop | thierry_: yes, or you could work on bugs in Malone | 03:48 |
bmonty_laptop | once UBZ is done you could help with implementing some of the specs they come up with | 03:48 |
thierry_ | mmm what is UBZ and what is exactly a spec (alredy heard of it but never understood what was one) | 03:49 |
bmonty_laptop | UBZ is the ubuntu developer conference going on in Montreal | 03:49 |
LaserJock | Ubuntu Below Zero | 03:50 |
bmonty_laptop | I'm not sure if I want to take a stab at defining what a specification is, but basically it is a document that describes the features a piece of software is supposed to have | 03:50 |
thierry_ | k... | 03:51 |
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jsgotangco | well a spec is more of a guide for developers and community people on what to work on for a target release | 03:55 |
bmonty_laptop | jsgotangco: probably a better definition than I could give :) | 03:56 |
jsgotangco | basically during a devel conference like ubz, participants make tons of specs and have people assign them or have the other specs get adopted by the community to develop | 03:56 |
bmonty_laptop | jsgotangco: I'm thinking more along the lines of how it is defined in a software engineering text | 03:56 |
jsgotangco | ahhh | 03:57 |
jsgotangco | sure in some LP BOFs that happens | 03:58 |
bmonty_laptop | jsgotangco: still I think we are thinking the same thing | 03:58 |
jsgotangco | yes | 03:58 |
jsgotangco | but UBZ also has community stuff so theres no software development involved | 03:58 |
bmonty_laptop | yeah right, I bet those guys can't stop themselves from writing some code :) | 04:00 |
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thierry_ | at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot do I need to change all breezy for dapper? | 04:07 |
LaserJock | if you want a dapper pbuilder | 04:07 |
LaserJock | or chroot rather | 04:08 |
thierry_ | well I want to build new packages, so this should for dapper right? | 04:08 |
LaserJock | yep | 04:08 |
thierry_ | k thanks | 04:08 |
thierry_ | I get E: No such script: dapper | 04:09 |
thierry_ | when I do sudo debootstrap [--variant=buildd] [--arch i386] breezy /var/chroot/ http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ | 04:09 |
freeflying | sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd --arch i386 dapper /var/chroot/ http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ | 04:12 |
freeflying | thierry:you shall do like that | 04:12 |
thierry_ | I get E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/dapper | 04:14 |
freeflying | have configure your pbuilderrc correctly | 04:18 |
thierry_ | well yes | 04:18 |
thierry_ | I changed DISTRIBUTION= to dapper | 04:18 |
Kyral | You need help for a Dapper PBuilder? | 04:19 |
freeflying | you needn't do this step ,just update | 04:19 |
freeflying | there is help on wiki | 04:19 |
LaserJock | thierry_: are you makeing a chroot or a pbuilder? | 04:19 |
LaserJock | thierry_: i think you need to find the debootstrap .deb for dapper at packages.ubuntu.com and install that first | 04:20 |
pietrus | thierry_: just create a pbuilder for breezy and then change pbulderc and pbuilder apt.source to point to dapper and run the updaet command that is in the bottom f the wiki page | 04:21 |
pietrus | i have just done this | 04:21 |
pietrus | gotta go to bed now | 04:23 |
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thierry_ | LaserJock : well pbuilder isn't suppose to be made inside the chroot after creating it | 04:27 |
bmonty_laptop | thierry_: pbuilder makes a chroot | 04:28 |
bmonty_laptop | that is what "pbuilder create" does | 04:28 |
thierry_ | ho | 04:29 |
tseng | bmonty_laptop: what was your goal with using ldap and krb "together" | 04:35 |
tseng | i only use one or the other | 04:35 |
bmonty_laptop | tseng: single sign on with openafs | 04:35 |
tseng | oh.. afs | 04:36 |
bmonty_laptop | ldap has user information, krb has passwords and a logon gets you a ticket | 04:36 |
tseng | yes i use krb5 for auth on all my systems | 04:36 |
tseng | ldap for the corporate user system for one app | 04:36 |
tseng | never both for one auth | 04:37 |
bmonty_laptop | tseng: I got ldap and kerberos working...turns out there was a problem with reverse lookups on my DNS | 04:37 |
tseng | hm oh | 04:37 |
tseng | good :) | 04:37 |
bmonty_laptop | now I'm working on openafs....its confusing | 04:38 |
bmonty_laptop | my goal is to be able to have a single sign on with my home directory in afs so it is the same on all my machines | 04:38 |
bmonty_laptop | and when I travel with my laptop I don't need network access to get to my files | 04:39 |
tseng | that would be awesome | 04:40 |
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bmonty_laptop | tseng: it is taking a little longer to implement than I woud like :) | 04:41 |
bmonty_laptop | anyone know how to get an X program in a pbuilder chroot to be able to access the X display? | 04:51 |
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LaserJock | bmonty_laptop: why do you want to do that? | 05:19 |
bmonty_laptop | LaserJock: to test an X app from inside the dapper pbuilder :) | 05:20 |
LaserJock | why not a dapper chroot? | 05:20 |
bmonty_laptop | thats what the pbuilder is | 05:21 |
LaserJock | well, but isn't it kinda different. It is a chroot that is recreated everytime you call pbuilder? | 05:22 |
bmonty_laptop | LaserJock: yeah it makes a new chroot everytime you start it | 05:22 |
LaserJock | but if you just have a regular chroot you can do a lot more testing, etc | 05:23 |
bmonty_laptop | where are the instructions to make a regular chroot? | 05:24 |
LaserJock | I guess I would just make the .debs and install them in a chroot | 05:24 |
LaserJock | wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot | 05:24 |
bmonty_laptop | i'll check that out thanks | 05:25 |
LaserJock | I made a dapper chroot that has my /home bind mounted (its in the wiki) so I can have access to my home directory within the chroot | 05:26 |
bmonty_laptop | LaserJock: do you have to do the same like pbuilder, make a breezy chroot and then change it to dapper? | 05:32 |
LaserJock | umm, I think if you install the dapper debootstrap you can go straight to dapper, otherwise you need to do breezy and dist-upgrade | 05:33 |
bmonty_laptop | ahh | 05:33 |
LaserJock | I created a dapper chroot and pbuilder today without having to update | 05:34 |
Riddell | revu added to dput.cf default. I'm a genius | 05:36 |
bmonty_laptop | oops :) | 05:37 |
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bmonty_laptop | LaserJock_: did you have to do anything special to run an X app in the debootstrap? | 05:51 |
LaserJock_ | no, I just logged in dchroot -d and ran whatever. today I ran the new emacs and it work seemlessly | 05:52 |
Lathiat | wouldnt the X sockets need to be passed in ? | 05:53 |
LaserJock_ | heck if I know, I just fired up emacs and it came up | 05:53 |
bmonty_laptop | Lathiat: I think that is the problem, it needs the .Xauthority cookie, right? | 05:54 |
LaserJock | well, I have my home mounted in the chroot and I start it with chroot -d so I think that is all you need, right? | 05:55 |
LaserJock | that would give you .Xauthority, I think ;-) | 05:55 |
bmonty_laptop | LaserJock: yeah, I initially didn't want my home in the chroot....I don't think I have a choice :) | 05:58 |
LaserJock | could you just copy your .Xauthority over to your chroot? | 06:03 |
bmonty_laptop | LaserJock: nah, I took the easy way and just mounted my home into the chroot | 06:03 |
bmonty_laptop | I wanted to test the fix I made...not mess with chroots :) | 06:04 |
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LaserJock | yeah, but chroots are better than dual booting or something like that | 06:04 |
bmonty_laptop | LaserJock: definately | 06:04 |
LaserJock | bmonty_laptop: BTW, I don't know if I told you already, or if you care, but I made a MOTUScience team the other day | 06:05 |
bmonty_laptop | if there is a build depend on a perl lib, do you have to add that to the install depends or does $shlibs find it? | 06:05 |
bmonty_laptop | LaserJock: cool, not sure if I would be much help there | 06:06 |
LaserJock | I just thought I should throw it out there, no pressure though ;-) | 06:06 |
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Kyral | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ghemical/+bug/3543 <---should this be reassigned to the MOTUScience team? | 06:24 |
minghua | Does anyone in MOTUScience use ghemical? | 06:25 |
LaserJock | Kyral: I'm not sure if we want to reassign just yet. I am working with the ghemical developers on that bug though | 06:25 |
LaserJock | minghua: I do | 06:25 |
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minghua | Maybe we should put up a "bugs the team may be interested in" wiki page instead of assigning? | 06:26 |
minghua | or better, have a team address to subscribe the bug | 06:27 |
LaserJock | azeem, who is sometimes here is the debian maintainer for ghemical. Apparently they are going to release a new version next week that might fix that bug | 06:27 |
LaserJock | minghua: yeah, I'm not sure how to do that yet | 06:27 |
LaserJock | launchpad is quite mysterious to me still | 06:27 |
Lathiat | i heard from bradb they are going to implement 'QA contacts' | 06:28 |
Lathiat | that you can assign to packages | 06:28 |
Lathiat | so we can use that to track things like OTU | 06:28 |
Lathiat | and then actually assign bugs to people | 06:28 |
Lathiat | instead of MOTU | 06:28 |
minghua | I am starting to get a feel that universe should be somehow labeled as one "QAed part" and one "Nobody really knows part" :-) | 06:28 |
minghua | Lathiat: is that going to be reflected in the package description, or is it just a launchpad thing? | 06:30 |
LaserJock | well, it looks like we might be able to use "subscribe someone else" and but motuscience in. | 06:31 |
LaserJock | s/but/put/ | 06:31 |
Lathiat | unfortunately subscriptiond oesnt do much until somethign happens to the bug | 06:31 |
Lathiat | and theres no subscription list | 06:31 |
Lathiat | they need to send someone mail when you subscribe someone else to something | 06:31 |
LaserJock | Lathiat: that's true | 06:31 |
Lathiat | and really a +subscribedbugs woudlnt go astray either | 06:32 |
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Kyral | LJ did you hear from the devs yet? | 06:34 |
LaserJock | for FlowDesigner? | 06:35 |
Kyral | ja | 06:35 |
LaserJock | no, I just emailed their mailing list. I might try the devs directly if I don't hear anything soon. I don't know if it matters much. I think if we get a package built we can tell them after the fact ;-) | 06:36 |
Kyral | Okay | 06:36 |
Kyral | Oh hwo the hell do I get "MOTUScience" to be a link in my Wiki | 06:37 |
LaserJock | do you have "[[FullSearch()] ] " in the code? | 06:37 |
Kyral | ..no | 06:38 |
LaserJock | That puts links to any wiki page with your name on it | 06:38 |
Kyral | Okaaay | 06:38 |
Kyral | so just put that in there? | 06:38 |
LaserJock | ---- | 06:39 |
LaserJock | Related pages: | 06:39 |
LaserJock | [[FullSearch()] ] | 06:39 |
LaserJock | ^^ that is what I have | 06:39 |
Kyral | Yah but how do I get "MOTUScience" to be a link to the MotuScience page without that (So its under my Teams) | 06:40 |
LaserJock | ohhh, I see what you mean now. use ["MOTUScience"] | 06:41 |
LaserJock | it doesn't recognize it as a wiki page | 06:41 |
Kyral | Hey LJ, remind me to talk to Corey about helping with the Installation Guide | 06:49 |
LaserJock | Kyral: why do I have to be your daytimer? ;-) | 06:51 |
minghua | Kyral: go install a calendar program :-) | 06:51 |
Kyral | lol sorry | 07:07 |
Kyral | I'm just very absent minded sometimes | 07:07 |
LaserJock | Kyral: I am too, that is why it isn't good to ask me to help you remeber something ;-) | 07:10 |
bmonty_laptop | night LaserJock | 07:11 |
bmonty_laptop | night MOTUs | 07:12 |
Kyral | Okay I have just hit lazy central | 07:12 |
Kyral | I made an alias to update all 4 of my PBuilders at once | 07:13 |
LaserJock | lol | 07:14 |
Kyral | And I can easily adapt it to clean all 4 at once | 07:15 |
Kyral | How do I get on the DocTeam now... | 07:16 |
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LaserJock | Kyral: talk to rob^ | 07:18 |
LaserJock | Kyral: but what about FlowDesigner? :) | 07:18 |
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Kyral | I was actually about to hit it with dh_make ;P | 07:19 |
Kyral | I was just saying I could help with the Install Guide ;P | 07:19 |
LaserJock | yeah, actually I might be working on a packaging guide for the doc team. You might be interested in some of that too | 07:20 |
Kyral | Yah I would :D | 07:21 |
Kyral | LJ I have a feeling that we will both wind up with our MOTU Licenses around the same time :D | 07:21 |
rob^ | that would be great | 07:21 |
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LaserJock | Kyral: oh, I don't know. I actually have never made a package from scratch before, just updated existing ones. | 07:22 |
rob^ | what exists currently as a packaging guide? | 07:22 |
Kyral | The Debian New Maintainers Guide | 07:22 |
rob^ | ah, yeah I've read that one | 07:22 |
LaserJock | well, we have PbuilderHowto, PackagingTips, MOTUWannabeTips and maybe one or two others | 07:23 |
LaserJock | but I will be working on getting those put in better shape | 07:23 |
Kyral | I have to append the PBuilderHOWTO on how to make multiple ones | 07:24 |
Kyral | Leave it to me ;D | 07:24 |
LaserJock | Kyral: Yeah, I was going to ask you to do that. I think it is important for MOTUs to be able to do | 07:24 |
Kyral | FlowDesigner hit with DH | 07:24 |
Kyral | Make | 07:25 |
Kyral | I'm lucky this time, it uses a proper AutoConf, so DH_Make did most of the work :D | 07:25 |
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LaserJock | yeah, that is nice | 07:25 |
Kyral | I also want to somehow bring my "Terminal for Beginners" Guide from the Forums into the Wiki | 07:25 |
Kyral | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=73885 | 07:26 |
rob^ | Kyral, there is something like that being worked on in the wiki that you could maybe work on | 07:27 |
rob^ | bring all the best bits over etc.. | 07:27 |
Kyral | Who is working on it | 07:27 |
rob^ | I forget the name though, something like "command line" something | 07:27 |
Kyral | *thinks he should start hanging out in the docteam channel* | 07:27 |
LaserJock | Kyral: yeah, I started that today too :) | 07:28 |
rob^ | this is it I think: | 07:28 |
rob^ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommandlineHowto | 07:28 |
Kyral | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommandlineHowto | 07:28 |
rob^ | heh | 07:28 |
Kyral | I'll send the maintainer a msg through the wiki | 07:29 |
rob^ | np | 07:29 |
Kyral | Wait can I? | 07:29 |
rob^ | see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommandlineHowto?action=info for a list of people who are working on it | 07:30 |
rob^ | they might have an email address, either that or just post it to the docteam mailing list | 07:30 |
Kyral | yah, but tomorrow | 07:30 |
Kyral | its gettin' late ;P | 07:31 |
rob^ | heh | 07:31 |
Kyral | whats the DocTeam channel? | 07:31 |
rob^ | #ubuntu-doc | 07:31 |
Kyral | With that I am sleeping | 07:31 |
Kyral | cya Ubunteros! | 07:31 |
rob^ | bye | 07:31 |
LaserJock | cya Kyral | 07:31 |
Kyral | (Why the hell did Mark change it from Ubuntite to Ubuntero?) | 07:32 |
rob^ | I dunno, they both sound odd | 07:33 |
crimsun | cool, Mark uses Kubuntu | 07:34 |
Kyral | LJ regardless if they(FlowDevelop) respond I'll have a debpack ready tomorrow | 07:35 |
LaserJock | Kyral: ok, no rush, but it would be nice for us to put out something | 07:35 |
Kyral | Like I said its an easy package b/c it uses AutoConf | 07:36 |
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zakame | afternoon all! | 07:49 |
LaserJock | evening | 07:50 |
zakame | what do you think of this: split lighttpd source as lighttpd{,ssl} for the server and lighttpd-common for config and modules, or build just a single lighttpd package plus liblighttpd-mod-* for individual modules? | 07:53 |
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zakame | wb bhuvan | 07:56 |
bhuvan | ? | 07:57 |
crimsun | zakame: the former is preferable imo | 07:57 |
zakame | crimsun: I tend to agree, I think this will also allow a couple of lighttpd servers running at the same host, assuming there's no conflict | 07:59 |
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pef | hello | 08:14 |
zakame | hi pef | 08:14 |
Mez | anyone here (MOTU) | 08:22 |
pef | yes | 08:23 |
zakame | what's up? | 08:24 |
Mez | anyone who's actually a MOT U? | 08:24 |
Mez | (if you are - sorry) | 08:25 |
crimsun | yes | 08:26 |
crimsun | what's up? | 08:26 |
Mez | crimsun - private | 08:26 |
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zakame | wb zyga | 08:27 |
zyga | zakame: morning :-) | 08:28 |
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zakame | hmm I notice a some stuff in UniverseCandidates are already in Universe, among other cruft... | 08:35 |
LaserJock | really, a lot of stuff? | 08:38 |
LaserJock | or just a few | 08:38 |
zakame | sorry, a few actually :) | 08:39 |
zakame | on others there are debian pkgs already available | 08:39 |
LaserJock | np, I woudn''t be suprised if it was a lot | 08:39 |
zakame | hmm, is it just me, or is mysql.sf.net down? | 08:45 |
crimsun | the running joke is "when is foo.sf.net _not_ down?" ;-) | 08:46 |
zakame | buwahahaha | 08:47 |
pef | zakame: down for me too | 08:50 |
zakame | pef: hmm, I was browsing some of the UC sites, picking which one to (hopefully) work on :) | 08:51 |
minghua | the MOTU meeting time hasn't been decided yet? | 09:16 |
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minghua | it's good when you are only one timezone away from Montreal though :-) | 09:17 |
zakame | minghua: hehe | 09:17 |
Mez | minghua, I doubt it will \sh is going to have a hell of a hangover in the morning | 09:18 |
Mez | he either drank a lot or cant hold his drink | 09:18 |
zakame | haha | 09:19 |
minghua | Mez: then I can sleep well :-) | 09:20 |
schweeb | Mez: isn't he german? I'm guessing option 2 | 09:33 |
Mez | y option 2 ? | 09:34 |
schweeb | germans are born to drink beer | 09:35 |
schweeb | it's their sole purpose in life | 09:35 |
Mez | so you reckon he cant hold his drink ? | 09:35 |
schweeb | err | 09:35 |
schweeb | option 1 | 09:35 |
schweeb | I'm too tired. | 09:35 |
schweeb | running on like 4 hrs sleep in the last 48 hrs | 09:36 |
Mez | well by the looks of it | 09:37 |
Mez | he had a lot less than me | 09:37 |
Mez | (I had 3 beers - 7 vodka cokes and a shooter of creme de menth and bailets | 09:37 |
Mez | but then I dont know what he drinak all night | 09:38 |
schweeb | so you had a fairly normal night is what you're saying :p | 09:39 |
Mez | *shrugs* | 09:39 |
Mez | anyways night | 09:39 |
schweeb | night | 09:39 |
crimsun | night | 09:40 |
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mloskot | Is there any #ubuntu-dev channel or something for developers (launchpad, bugs, etc.)? | 11:43 |
minghua | mloskot: #ubuntu-devel? | 11:49 |
mloskot | thanks, I'm just there ;-) | 11:49 |
minghua | just saw you :-) sorry | 11:50 |
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Tonio_ | mornin' | 02:12 |
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hunger | How good is cdbs yet? Should I use that for my debs or stick with dh_make multi-binary? | 02:52 |
siretart | hunger: try both and see what suits you better | 02:54 |
siretart | I think it really depends on the package | 02:54 |
\sh | ok going downstairs | 02:55 |
siretart | same to me | 02:55 |
hunger | siretart: So I guess I'll stick with multibinary. cdbs is rather arcane:-) | 02:56 |
ajmitch | morning | 02:59 |
tseng | hi | 02:59 |
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Kyral | Morning | 03:19 |
Kyral | \sh when is this meeting that the topic speaks of? | 03:20 |
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zakame | evening | 03:27 |
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zakame | hi sladen | 03:33 |
zakame | and slomo too :D | 03:33 |
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zakame | wb dholbach :) | 03:35 |
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dholbach | hellas :) | 03:36 |
dholbach | hi zakame | 03:36 |
siretart | lets make the motu meeting at 15:40 montreal time | 03:37 |
ajmitch | hi dholbach, siretart | 03:37 |
siretart | we have 'universe motu' bof there | 03:37 |
siretart | huhu ajmitch | 03:37 |
zakame | siretart: ooh! | 03:39 |
jsgotangco | hehe | 03:39 |
Kyral | Here on IRC? | 03:39 |
zakame | siretart: is the motu-meeting today? | 03:39 |
Kyral | and siretart "Montreal Time" is correctly referred to as EST or GMT -5 | 03:39 |
sladen | hi zakame | 03:39 |
jsgotangco | hmmmm | 03:40 |
siretart | I was rather thinking about a motu bof, we will have a 'real' motu meeting on irc were we report what we talked about | 03:40 |
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jsgotangco | were there enough motus in ubz? | 03:40 |
jsgotangco | i guess | 03:40 |
sladen | k | 03:40 |
siretart | since there are quite some motus here at ubz, but we didn't hat the chance yet to talk about motu stuff, I think | 03:41 |
jsgotangco | ahhh | 03:41 |
zakame | hmmm | 03:41 |
hub_ | gah | 03:41 |
hub_ | this network is awful | 03:41 |
siretart | yeah | 03:41 |
hub_ | i'm here for example | 03:41 |
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\sh | ok... | 03:42 |
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\sh | we have a scheduled time for our meeting | 03:42 |
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siretart | I count at least 8 motus here at ubz | 03:42 |
sladen | \sh: have you scheduled it on LP? | 03:42 |
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\sh | sladen: claire did | 03:42 |
siretart | sladen: look on todays schedule, it is called 'universe motus' | 03:42 |
ajmitch | sladen: it's on the day's schedule | 03:42 |
siretart | http://people.ubuntu.com/~jamesh/todays-schedule.html | 03:43 |
\sh | 15:40 EST is what in utc? | 03:44 |
siretart | I think -5h | 03:44 |
Kyral | Sh I just said that | 03:44 |
Kyral | EST == UTC/GMT -5 ;P | 03:45 |
\sh | Kyral: sry...yeah | 03:45 |
\sh | means...20:40 | 03:45 |
Kyral | yup | 03:45 |
Kyral | I think timezones should be abolished ;P | 03:45 |
siretart | ack! | 03:45 |
ajmitch | sure, everything should be NZST | 03:46 |
siretart | hrhr | 03:46 |
Kyral | nah, GMT ;P | 03:46 |
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Kyral | You should say GMT ;P | 03:46 |
ajmitch | s/GMT/UTC/ | 03:47 |
siretart | why do we have to topic locked? | 03:47 |
Kyral | whats the difference between GMT and UTC anyway? | 03:47 |
siretart | daylight saving perhaps? | 03:48 |
ajmitch | yep | 03:48 |
\sh | siretart: beg chanserv for op | 03:48 |
Kyral | DST is evil | 03:48 |
siretart | \sh: my question was rather if there has been abuse | 03:48 |
\sh | siretart: -ENOCLUE | 03:48 |
Kyral | Its even more confusing because there is a portion of the EST timezone that doesn't use it | 03:48 |
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:\sh] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | REVU up again: http://revu.tauware.de | somebody please help writing up the MOTU report: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReportDraft | UBZ MOTU Meeting 2005-11-05 - Time: 20:40 UTC | ||
Kyral | so during that time you have 5 timezones in the contenental US | 03:49 |
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siretart | \sh: please /mode -t #ubuntu-motu | 03:49 |
siretart | too late | 03:49 |
Kyral | I assume the meeting is here? (In #ubuntu-motu)? | 03:49 |
tseng | siretart: it doesnt matter, there is no access | 03:49 |
siretart | ? | 03:49 |
siretart | well, anyway, I don't care that much.. | 03:49 |
\sh | ajmitch: did u write the last motu meeting minutes ? | 03:52 |
Mez | just to let you know I wont be attending the MOTU meeting later | 03:55 |
\sh | why not? | 03:56 |
\sh | btw some infos here | 03:56 |
\sh | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule | 03:56 |
\sh | and a short overview of the Dapper Release Process (which is discussed, but not approved right now..so only informational status) | 03:57 |
\sh | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseProcess | 03:57 |
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Mez | \sh: mainly because I've had a shit night, and dont feel up to anything, and mainly because apparently the MOTU team see what I do as "complete bollocks" | 04:00 |
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dholbach | Mez: "complete bollocks"? | 04:01 |
ogra_ | what makes you think this ?? | 04:02 |
zakame | Mez: eh?!? | 04:02 |
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Mez | backports? | 04:04 |
ogra_ | Mez, as long as it wasnt you who created this evil stuff : http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/breezy-extras-staging/restricted/binary-i386/w32codecs_20050412+breezy0.0.1_all.deb | 04:04 |
sistpoty | hi folks | 04:04 |
ogra_ | thats the suck, who creted that ? | 04:04 |
ogra_ | *created | 04:04 |
dholbach | Mez: talking about the whole group as one and staying away from the meeting won't change anything... atm i don't even know what the problem is | 04:04 |
Mez | ogra_, no... but apparently it's concensus between the MOTUs that the old and new backports are "complete bollocks" | 04:05 |
zakame | dholbach: can non-MOTUs attend the meeting? | 04:05 |
dholbach | sure | 04:05 |
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ogra_ | Mez, thats absolutely not true | 04:05 |
sistpoty | meeting... did I miss s.th.? | 04:05 |
Mez | ogra: I believe that jdong made it from ... marillat | 04:05 |
siretart | Mez: thats not right. I really appreciate the existance of official backports | 04:05 |
\sh | Mez: who said that? I can't remember to say something like this last night | 04:06 |
zakame | jsgotangco: haha | 04:06 |
siretart | Mez: it's rather that I'm very concerned about users complaining about upgrade problems | 04:06 |
ogra_ | Mez, its a script that rm -rf's directorys in the postrm .... | 04:06 |
Mez | \sh: well then maybe you had a bit too much to drink | 04:06 |
Mez | ogra_ lmao | 04:06 |
Mez | yeah, the package sucks | 04:06 |
siretart | Mez: actually, there is quite a need for backports. but thats is more challenging than regular package and thus must be made right! | 04:06 |
Mez | think it was generated from marrilat | 04:07 |
ogra_ | and wgets a zipfile in the postinst.... if the url is unreachable, your packaging system is broken.... | 04:07 |
\sh | Mez: no...I only asked u if somebody care about testing the stuff and really care about the responsibilty u have | 04:07 |
Mez | siretart: I know | 04:07 |
dholbach | Mez: i used the new backports already, so please come off it | 04:07 |
dholbach | Mez: if you're annoyed or disappointed about something, try to identify it accurately and talk about it please | 04:07 |
zakame | hmm, question: should REVU uploads build on dapper or still breezy? | 04:07 |
siretart | but what really pisses me off is leaving the procedures we (as in ubuntu in general) agreed on without even announcing it | 04:07 |
ogra_ | Mez, i totally count on you and backports for edubuntu for example, to fill all the gaps i couldnt fill in breezy | 04:07 |
Mez | siretart ... ? | 04:08 |
siretart | zakame: dapper, but please see ant_1.6.2-2_all.deb | 04:08 |
siretart | zakame: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/revu | 04:08 |
dholbach | i have no idea, what the problem is | 04:08 |
siretart | sorry | 04:08 |
zakame | siretart: ant? | 04:08 |
siretart | zakame: forget ant, wrong pastebuffer | 04:08 |
zakame | siretart: ok :) | 04:08 |
Mez | but, I wont be attending anyways | 04:09 |
siretart | Mez: I'm not sure, but I really think to remember that we agreed that the mirrormax backports are being shut down. we was that w32codecs package for breezy created then? | 04:09 |
siretart | Mez: that can't be about 'staging' | 04:09 |
Mez | siretart: the backports mirror being shut down | 04:09 |
Mez | and mirrormax is nothing to do with me | 04:09 |
Mez | I still wont be attending anyways | 04:10 |
siretart | Mez: I didn't say anything about you in person | 04:10 |
Mez | I just had a really rough night, and need some time alone | 04:10 |
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zakame | Mez: aww | 04:10 |
zakame | wb slomo | 04:10 |
siretart | Mez: I was only talking about that unofficial backports | 04:10 |
Mez | siretart: you didnt say anything | 04:10 |
ogra_ | siretart, i think they wanted to keep extras there... as long as they dont put stuff in the wrong place (like w32codecs into restricted for example) thats fine | 04:11 |
slomo | hi zakame :) | 04:11 |
Mez | the other day, in the backports BoF, you came up with some good points siretart, which I've taken into consideration | 04:11 |
Mez | but, anyways, as I said | 04:11 |
siretart | ogra_: perhaps they should colaborate with plf | 04:11 |
Mez | I wont be attending | 04:11 |
siretart | your choice | 04:12 |
Mez | nothing against the MOTU... I'm just going through a rough patch at the moment, and need some time to get my head together | 04:13 |
jsgotangco | surely its not because of ubz | 04:14 |
dholbach | Mez: it might help, if the problem was more accurately described... i have no idea, what the discussion is about | 04:15 |
Mez | dholbach: it's not that much of a deal at the moment | 04:15 |
Mez | it was more of a "side thought" | 04:15 |
Mez | as I said - I'm going through a rough spot... | 04:15 |
Mez | and i just need to relax | 04:16 |
dholbach | then take your time | 04:16 |
dholbach | if you have something helpful to say about "complete bollocks", we could talk about it as a group | 04:17 |
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zakame | wb bmonty_laptop | 04:18 |
bmonty_laptop | hi zakame | 04:19 |
Mez | dholbach: I'm sorry bout mentioning it - I was just a lil pissed off about something someone said last nigth | 04:22 |
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zakame | Kyral: buwahaha :) | 04:23 |
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zakame | what's all this fuss about `Leonor' that I keep hearing in other channels? | 04:24 |
Kyral | who? | 04:25 |
zakame | wb Tonio_ | 04:25 |
Tonio_ | zakame: hi | 04:26 |
zakame | btw, is there a written agenda for the motu-meeting? | 04:27 |
jsgotangco | yes go nuts and get drunk after wards | 04:31 |
sistpoty | ping slomo | 04:36 |
zakame | jsgotangco: buwahaha | 04:37 |
sistpoty | zakame: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting ... but unfortunately this is outdated :( | 04:38 |
zakame | sistpoty: very much indeed :( | 04:38 |
slomo | sistpoty: pong | 04:38 |
sistpoty | slomo: I'll be doing the wiki for weird languages now | 04:39 |
sistpoty | slomo: what name should we use? | 04:39 |
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sistpoty | slomo: MOTUUncommonProgrammingLanguages? | 04:39 |
slomo | sistpoty: sounds fine :) | 04:40 |
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mloskot | hi all! | 04:40 |
sistpoty | slomo: ok | 04:40 |
sistpoty | hi mloskot | 04:40 |
mloskot | highvoltage, i'm looking for Corey Burger here :-) ? | 04:40 |
mloskot | sorry, i don't know his nick ;-( | 04:41 |
\sh | mloskot: Burgundavia | 04:41 |
mloskot | thx | 04:41 |
mloskot | seems his not here now | 04:41 |
\sh | not in this channel...try devel or query him | 04:42 |
Kyral | Quick question | 04:42 |
Kyral | hes in #ubuntu-doc | 04:42 |
mloskot | hehe, he emailed me to get to #ubuntu-motu | 04:42 |
Kyral | anyway, what are we gonna do with XChat 2.6.0? | 04:42 |
mloskot | Kyral: np, I'm sending him a message. | 04:43 |
highvoltage | mloskot: doesn't seem like he's here, currently | 04:46 |
mloskot | highvoltage: yes, i see, I'm waiting for him :-) | 04:46 |
pef | how can I know names of packages automatically mass synced from Debian ? | 04:47 |
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ajmitch | ubuntu-changes-auto list | 04:47 |
mloskot | Hi Burgundavia! | 04:48 |
siretart | hey sistpoty! | 04:48 |
sistpoty | huhu siretart | 04:48 |
slomo | sistpoty: will you give me the urls when you're done? ;) | 04:49 |
sistpoty | slomo: sure | 04:49 |
\sh | oh wow...it seems my life is somewhat doomed | 04:50 |
siretart | FYI, I introduced a wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Transitions page | 04:50 |
bmonty_laptop | how so? | 04:50 |
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\sh | apt-get remove old-life ; apt-get install new-life | 04:50 |
slomo | siretart: wiki.ubuntu.com/Transitions was there before ;) | 04:50 |
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siretart | okay, since they all seem to be done, I'd suggest remove wiki.ubuntu.com/Transitions completly | 04:52 |
siretart | any objections? | 04:52 |
Mez | \sh: shouldnt it be apt-get remove --purge old-life ? | 04:53 |
Mez | or you'll just have bits of it hanging around | 04:53 |
\sh | u should never think, when you're thousands of miles away from home, that your life won't reach u | 04:53 |
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\sh | Mez: which is the truth.. | 04:53 |
Burgundavia | salut mloskot | 04:54 |
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mloskot | aloha | 04:54 |
Burgundavia | \sh, can do apt-get install new girlfriend as well? | 04:54 |
Kyral | \sh: Wow.....that was like......wise and stuff | 04:54 |
Mez | \sh: I know what you mean - hence why i had a rough night | 04:54 |
mloskot | Burgundavia: does it work that way on your box? :-) | 04:55 |
\sh | Burgundavia: well...if apt-get install more-money-for-new-girlfriend works | 04:55 |
Burgundavia | mloskot, nope | 04:55 |
Burgundavia | \sh, might be troublesome | 04:55 |
mloskot | Burgundavia: So, who is involved in the UbuntuGIS else? | 04:56 |
Burgundavia | mloskot, ogra_ | 04:56 |
\sh | just received a mail and a phonecall (via my world-wide-life-vanity-number) | 04:56 |
mloskot | Burgundavia: but does he have any GIS background? | 04:56 |
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\sh | this message is telling me, that I inherit money | 04:57 |
mloskot | zyga: nice to see you in here ;-) | 04:57 |
Burgundavia | mloskot, doesn | 04:57 |
Burgundavia | don't think so | 04:57 |
Burgundavia | mine is play only | 04:57 |
zyga | mloskot: hi :) | 04:57 |
mloskot | Burgundavia: ok, so he is MOTU guru in UbuntuGIS, | 04:57 |
mloskot | zyga: are you this zyga? | 04:58 |
Burgundavia | yes | 04:58 |
zyga | mloskot: the very same | 04:58 |
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mloskot | Burgundavia: So, where would you start? | 04:58 |
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mloskot | zyga: i'm glad | 04:58 |
zyga | I'll be back in 1/2h | 04:58 |
Burgundavia | mloskot, we need to sort that giant list for usefulness | 04:58 |
mloskot | Burgundavia: in what categories? | 04:58 |
Burgundavia | whatever | 04:59 |
mloskot | Burgundavia: useful/not useful or something more meaningful? OK, there may be many categorization rules. | 04:59 |
Burgundavia | basically, if we need to turn Ubuntu into a first class GIS platform, what do we need? | 04:59 |
\sh | looks like that I have to pay the debts of my grandma | 05:00 |
mloskot | Burgundavia: I think we have 2 or 3 objectives: | 05:00 |
mloskot | Burgundavia: 1) to include most famous and widely used GIS software: GRASS, MapServer, etc. | 05:01 |
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bmonty_laptop | \sh: sorry for your loss | 05:01 |
Burgundavia | that work is largely done by DebianGIS | 05:01 |
mloskot | Burgundavia: 2) to provide _complete_ Web Mapping environment: MapServer, GeoTools, java stuff related to webmapping and webservices, etc. | 05:02 |
\sh | bmonty_laptop: no... | 05:02 |
pef | ajmitch: not for already synced packages, but them not yet synced ? for example this afternoon I've uploaded to revu a synced version of kdissert from Debian, and with recent mass autosync this sync has be done, so my work is useless | 05:02 |
mloskot | Burgundavia: 3) to provide as complete as possible (note, this subject it less developed as web mapping) environment for Desktop GIS: here GRASS is the main part, but not only, there is QGIS moving on and there are many many small tools which are worth to include to UbuntuGIS. | 05:03 |
\sh | bmonty_laptop: grandmother died a couple of months ago...this is not the problem...the problem is more, that you're able to inherit depts...if u can say no to it, u r lucky...but if you are 1000 miles away and u don't know anything about it...u r f'uped | 05:03 |
mloskot | Burgundavia: So, certainly, we are not able to do all those 3 subjects in the same time, then we should define priorities: i.s. | 05:04 |
bmonty_laptop | \sh: ah, that sucks. must be a German thing. | 05:04 |
mloskot | Burgundavia: Oh, there could be also 4) - low level development packages for GIS | 05:04 |
mloskot | Burgundavia: Do you like it or...? | 05:04 |
Burgundavia | sounds good | 05:04 |
Burgundavia | can you change the top of the UbuntuGIS page to reflect that? | 05:04 |
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Burgundavia | then we can look at each package within those goals and figure out what needs to be done | 05:05 |
mloskot | Burgundavia: OK, as a first step I will sort the list according to those 3-4 criterions. | 05:05 |
Burgundavia | mloskot, Thanks! | 05:05 |
mloskot | Burgundavia: Yes, then we will be able to prioritize pacakges incside those groups. | 05:05 |
Burgundavia | fell free to add anything you find | 05:05 |
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mloskot | Burgundavia: ok, I will try to consult with my friend - web mapping guru to. | 05:05 |
mloskot | Burgundavia: So, I thikn that's enough at the moment. I will try to fix this list tonight. | 05:06 |
mloskot | OK? | 05:06 |
Burgundavia | anytime is great | 05:06 |
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Burgundavia | it has languished long enough | 05:06 |
Burgundavia | ogra_, we have another UbuntuGIS person! | 05:07 |
mloskot | Hi ogra | 05:07 |
Kyral | hey oliver | 05:07 |
ogra_ | Burgundavia, saw it | 05:09 |
ogra_ | :) | 05:09 |
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zyga | tseng: dont trust either, powerdown, remove the cooler and check | 05:29 |
tseng | yeah i am not in the mood to remove the cooler | 05:29 |
tseng | but the fins are completely cool | 05:29 |
zyga | tseng: what cpu are you using? | 05:30 |
tseng | p4 2.0 | 05:30 |
zyga | tseng: I'd vote for 77 | 05:30 |
zyga | p4 are hot | 05:30 |
Mithrandir | I'd vote for MAXINT+77 | 05:31 |
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Mithrandir | it's probably overflowed. | 05:32 |
Lathiat | tseng: one of them may have the sensors confused | 05:32 |
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tseng | maybe i can test the temparature of the bare cpu by cauterizing this cut on my finger | 05:34 |
zyga | tseng: you could touch the other side of the mobo | 05:35 |
zyga | tseng: if it's around 77 you'll know for sure | 05:35 |
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mloskot | see you later | 05:48 |
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sistpoty | slomo: first draft: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUUncommonProgrammingLanguages | 05:52 |
sistpoty | slomo: I've just finished haskell subpage and will be moving on to scheme now | 05:53 |
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slomo | sistpoty: what about sml? :) | 05:59 |
sistpoty | slomo: never heard of it ;) | 06:00 |
sistpoty | s.th. like caml? | 06:01 |
sistpoty | slomo: this is just a draft yet... let's try to collect as much as possible ;) | 06:01 |
slomo | sistpoty: almost the same as caml afaik... sml = standard ml... and caml is what? | 06:02 |
sistpoty | slomo: don't know exatly what ca stands for *g*... but mld0nkey is written in it... (ocaml to be precise, which features oop) | 06:03 |
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slomo | sistpoty: ca = university of california or something similar? ;) | 06:06 |
sistpoty | maybe even that ;) | 06:06 |
Mez | certificication authority ? | 06:20 |
sistpoty | Mez: i doubt it is, since this is the name of programming language... but ocaml is that weird that even this might be possible *g* | 06:22 |
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siretart | sistpoty: great job for the UncommonLanguages wiki pages! | 06:24 |
sistpoty | siretart: thx... actually there is still much to do | 06:24 |
siretart | absolutly | 06:25 |
sistpoty | (i only know a few bits bout haskell) | 06:25 |
siretart | but it helps fresh blood to know whats going on and being able to start helping! | 06:25 |
sistpoty | it sure does... and apart from that i'd like to keep links to packaging related stuff on it | 06:25 |
sistpoty | which is really uneasy to find, if you don't know it exists (like the haskell guide, which i didn't know of for a very long time *g*) | 06:26 |
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Mez | sistpoty, :P | 06:31 |
bmonty_laptop | sistpoty: nice wiki pages! | 06:32 |
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sistpoty | bmonty_laptop: thx | 06:35 |
ivoks | hi | 06:35 |
bmonty_laptop | hey ivoks | 06:35 |
ivoks | i found out today that gdm is useless with ldap users | 06:36 |
ivoks | i have to use kdm :/ | 06:37 |
bmonty_laptop | it doesn't use nsswitch? | 06:37 |
ivoks | it does | 06:37 |
ivoks | it contacts ldap | 06:37 |
ivoks | gets everything | 06:38 |
ivoks | and then freezes | 06:38 |
ivoks | it's a known bug :( | 06:38 |
bmonty_laptop | hmm, good to know since I am trying to do that | 06:38 |
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ivoks | but guys at gnome are sure that it isn't gdm's fault | 06:38 |
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bmonty_laptop | once I get ldap working correctly that is :) | 06:38 |
tseng | it works fine with pam_krb5 :) | 06:38 |
ivoks | :) | 06:38 |
bmonty_laptop | tseng: good | 06:39 |
ivoks | tseng: how hard it is to setup kerberos env? | 06:39 |
bmonty_laptop | I though that with pam the apps shouldn't care | 06:39 |
ivoks | bmonty_laptop: me too, but you see all work except gdm :) | 06:39 |
tseng | ivoks: depends | 06:39 |
tseng | ivoks: the server is not that fun, and kind of weird | 06:39 |
tseng | the client is easy | 06:39 |
tseng | if you already have a windows domain controler | 06:39 |
ivoks | clients are allways easy :) | 06:40 |
ivoks | i don't | 06:40 |
tseng | you basically just throw a few lines in pam.d and krb5.conf | 06:40 |
tseng | and you are set | 06:40 |
tseng | setting up your own domain is weirder | 06:40 |
ivoks | but, i'll leave it on ldaps for now... | 06:40 |
tseng | there are ok howtos | 06:40 |
tseng | its not scary | 06:40 |
ivoks | i'll have to try it once... | 06:40 |
ivoks | i did install from scratch today on 20 machines | 06:41 |
tseng | its not any weirder than ldap :) | 06:41 |
ivoks | i did 40 yesterday | 06:41 |
ivoks | with linux, stuff like this are painless :) | 06:41 |
ivoks | install with netboot and kickstart | 06:41 |
ivoks | login, download script, run it and wait... :) | 06:42 |
tseng | i cant find any real guides on ubuntu kickstart anywhere | 06:42 |
ivoks | huh? | 06:42 |
ivoks | tseng: i can help you | 06:42 |
ivoks | it's too easy to write a howto for it :) | 06:42 |
tseng | whiprush gave me some scripts from redhat as an example | 06:42 |
ivoks | tseng: well, you have tool for that :) | 06:42 |
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sistpoty | cya | 06:42 |
ivoks | sistpoty: enjoy | 06:42 |
sistpoty | thx | 06:43 |
tseng | ivoks: ok, i will remember to ask you about it next week | 06:43 |
tseng | i have 7 more servers to do, i already did 5 | 06:44 |
ivoks | tseng: install system-config-kickstart | 06:44 |
tseng | hm it is broken in dapper :) | 06:45 |
ivoks | ah, dapper :) | 06:46 |
tseng | breezy at work | 06:46 |
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Gloubiboulga | hello universe | 07:00 |
bmonty_laptop | hi Gloubiboulga | 07:06 |
hub_ | casimir ?!!! | 07:09 |
Gloubiboulga | not exactly | 07:09 |
hub_ | ah | 07:09 |
Gloubiboulga | just his favorite food | 07:10 |
hub_ | yeah I know | 07:10 |
Gloubiboulga | I'm working on some packages | 07:11 |
Gloubiboulga | what should I do to include them in universe repositories ? | 07:11 |
dholbach | Gloubiboulga: wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU knows it all :) | 07:12 |
Gloubiboulga | yep dholbach, I've seen this pages... | 07:12 |
dholbach | ok | 07:12 |
Gloubiboulga | but I have to submit some packages before | 07:12 |
Gloubiboulga | i sent you an e-mail last week about this dholbach | 07:13 |
dholbach | Gloubiboulga: about what specifically? | 07:13 |
Gloubiboulga | How to contribute | 07:13 |
dholbach | Gloubiboulga: before what? which packages? | 07:13 |
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Gloubiboulga | :) | 07:13 |
Gloubiboulga | I explain : | 07:14 |
Gloubiboulga | I'd like to contribute to motu, but I won't get upload rights if nobody knows how I work | 07:15 |
dholbach | you upload something to REVU | 07:15 |
dholbach | and somebody will review it | 07:15 |
Gloubiboulga | so I guess admin can test the package I've made | 07:15 |
dholbach | you only need a gpg key, which you can create youtself | 07:15 |
dholbach | everybody can test it | 07:15 |
Gloubiboulga | ok | 07:15 |
siretart | Gloubiboulga: what packages do you work on? | 07:16 |
schweeb | sup dholbach | 07:16 |
Gloubiboulga | mftrace, denemo | 07:16 |
dholbach | schweeb: how are you? | 07:17 |
Gloubiboulga | lilypond (but it's harder) | 07:17 |
schweeb | dholbach: busy trying to pay off school loans :( stupid websites are all broken | 07:17 |
dholbach | :/ | 07:18 |
dholbach | i see | 07:18 |
hub_ | Gloubiboulga: if the package is already in debian, just ask to have it synced. | 07:18 |
schweeb | but I got the whole membership thing all cleared up! it actually says I'm a member in launchpad now :) | 07:18 |
Gloubiboulga | ok hub_ | 07:19 |
\sh | oh wow... | 07:19 |
hub_ | hey \sh | 07:20 |
schweeb | \sh: oh wow to what? | 07:20 |
\sh | just found out how much money I have to pay | 07:21 |
schweeb | ah, heh | 07:21 |
schweeb | I've spend no less than $1000 today :P | 07:21 |
schweeb | *spent | 07:21 |
schweeb | and I'm about to go look at some furniture | 07:22 |
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\sh | the debts of my grandmother are around 10k eur....so a monthly payment of 200 eur will break my life | 07:23 |
\sh | hey hub | 07:23 |
schweeb | ick | 07:23 |
\sh | hub: thx again for your invitation yesterday :) | 07:23 |
schweeb | what's the exchange rate... is it about 1 eur ~= 1.6 USD? | 07:23 |
\sh | something like this | 07:24 |
hub | \sh: you're welcome | 07:24 |
hub | schweeb: no. that is the rate for CAN$ | 07:25 |
\sh | or I have to try to do more nightshifts but this won't happen because the company will decrease all extra payments | 07:26 |
hub | EUR is 1.18USD | 07:26 |
schweeb | 1 CAD ~= .75 USD.... it's changed some, but that was the old rule of thumb... | 07:26 |
hub | EUR is 1.4 CAD | 07:27 |
hub | it was 1.6 earlier | 07:27 |
hub | 1 CAD = .84 USD today | 07:27 |
schweeb | maybe it's pounds I'm thinking of then | 07:27 |
hub | don't think | 07:28 |
hub | use a converter | 07:28 |
hub | :-) | 07:28 |
schweeb | trying to find one | 07:28 |
hub | http://finance.yahoo.com/currency/convert?amt=1&from=CAD&to=USD&submit=Convert | 07:28 |
\sh | well... | 07:28 |
hub | that is the one i use | 07:28 |
schweeb | hub: I would have been there in about 10 more seconds | 07:29 |
schweeb | ah, apparently the Euro is less than the USD right now | 07:30 |
schweeb | hub: no, I was about right, the 1 GBP = 1.74 USD | 07:31 |
hub | schweeb: no. the EUR is more that the USD | 07:32 |
hub | 1 EUR is 1.18 USD | 07:33 |
hub | it has been for quite some time | 07:33 |
LaserJock | man, this conversation would be a lot shorter if everything was in USD, but then I'm American so that would make sense to me ;-) | 07:34 |
schweeb | LaserJock: indeed | 07:34 |
schweeb | I just put that conversion in different | 07:34 |
schweeb | er the opposite direction | 07:34 |
schweeb | my brain is on vacation for the month | 07:34 |
schweeb | which is bad, because it's early in the month yet | 07:35 |
LaserJock | yeah, I hate unit conversion, and I'm a chemist so I should be good at it :( | 07:35 |
schweeb | heh, one of my buddies is a chemist too, works for Dow | 07:35 |
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bmonty_laptop | hey LaserJock | 07:43 |
LaserJock | hi bmonty_laptop | 07:44 |
LaserJock | bmonty_laptop: looks like you've been doing some Malone work | 07:45 |
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bmonty_laptop | LaserJock: yeah, only two packages though | 07:46 |
LaserJock | well, but you had 1/3 of the latest ubuntu-bugs digest I got ;-) | 07:47 |
bmonty_laptop | heh....malone likes to generate a lot of emails :) | 07:48 |
LaserJock | well, today I attempt to make my first package from scratch | 07:53 |
bmonty_laptop | that sounds fun | 07:54 |
bmonty_laptop | what are you packaging? | 07:55 |
LaserJock | I feel bad because I am the MOTUScience "leader" and apparently in charge of a Packaging Guide for the doc team and I have never made a package from scratch before :( | 07:55 |
LaserJock | It's called plotdrop | 07:55 |
LaserJock | http://icculus.org/~jcspray/plotdrop/ | 07:56 |
bmonty_laptop | nice...icculus always seems to have nice useful apps | 07:56 |
LaserJock | well, it's small, which is nice, and I think it won't give me too much trouble | 07:57 |
tritium | LaserJock, there's already an ubuntu .deb on that page. Should be trivial to modify for breezy | 07:58 |
bmonty_laptop | why not dapper? | 07:59 |
tritium | that's what I meant | 08:00 |
LaserJock | yeah, but it was made using checkinstall | 08:00 |
LaserJock | I am going to try it from scratch | 08:00 |
tritium | ah, that would be better | 08:01 |
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LaserJock | my other excuse is that I haven't used REVU before and I would like to check it out | 08:04 |
\sh | who ever told me it's 20:40 ... it's 21:40 UTC | 08:05 |
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\sh | 15:40 EST == 21:40 GMT-6 | 08:05 |
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bmonty_laptop | REVU is fun :) | 08:05 |
\sh | ok..and now I need some cigarettes...means cash machine frst | 08:06 |
\sh | laters | 08:06 |
KyralRetsam | Jeez \sh.... | 08:06 |
KyralRetsam | change the time ;P | 08:06 |
KyralRetsam | oh, TWO OF ME!!! Coool....no one kill the ghost | 08:06 |
KyralRetsam | Oh LaserJock, want me to add myself to the people working on the packaging guide? | 08:07 |
LaserJock | KyralRetsam: you can if you want, I guess. I need to get it from Unfrgiven before we can do anything | 08:08 |
KyralRetsam | okay | 08:08 |
KyralRetsam | btw Kyral == KyralRetsam | 08:09 |
KyralRetsam | I just logged in from the lab | 08:09 |
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LaserJock | I saw that, itl-lab-3.sclab.clarkson.edu | 08:09 |
KyralRetsam | I should have a basic debpack for FlowDevelop today, if I can remember how to make a package binary indep | 08:09 |
LaserJock | cool | 08:10 |
KyralRetsam | I forgot what to change in debian/control | 08:10 |
bmonty_laptop | KyralRetsam: Architecture: any | 08:11 |
KyralRetsam | ty | 08:12 |
bmonty_laptop | sorry that should be Architecture: all | 08:12 |
bmonty_laptop | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Architecture | 08:12 |
KyralRetsam | Yah as soon as I get the build deps worked out I should be golden :D | 08:13 |
LaserJock | so is all preferable? | 08:13 |
KyralRetsam | yah for source uploads | 08:14 |
LaserJock | when would you use any? when it had arch dependent stuff? | 08:14 |
KyralRetsam | I dunno | 08:14 |
KyralRetsam | but dh helpers complain a bit | 08:15 |
KyralRetsam | ie, it won't upload the original sourceball | 08:15 |
bmonty_laptop | LaserJock: I've used it to exclude 64-bit archs | 08:15 |
KyralRetsam | Anyone with 64-bit arches here? | 08:15 |
KyralRetsam | LaserJock, I suggest we create a MOTUScience channel | 08:16 |
LaserJock | KyralRetsam: IMO I don't think we are there yet, maybe when people get back from UBZ and we are creating too much noise here | 08:17 |
KyralRetsam | lol | 08:17 |
KyralRetsam | Putting the package in the "Science" section | 08:17 |
slomo | any creates packages for all archs, all creates one package for all archs | 08:17 |
slomo | and you use all when it only contains arch-indep stuff... otherwise any | 08:17 |
KyralRetsam | umkay | 08:17 |
KyralRetsam | okay | 08:17 |
KyralRetsam | so until it breaks on PPC or AMD64, use any :D | 08:17 |
slomo | hm? | 08:18 |
KyralRetsam | as arch ;P | 08:18 |
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slomo | doesn't matter if it breaks or not... use all when stuff built on one arch is usable on all archs... i.e. for plain python/mono stuff, documentation, scripts, etc | 08:20 |
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slomo | and any for stuff that creates native binaries | 08:20 |
KyralRetsam | ah | 08:20 |
LaserJock | slomo: makes sense to me. Thanks for clearing that up | 08:21 |
KyralRetsam | okay.....what packages provides the GTK devfiles... | 08:21 |
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KyralRetsam | and the GNOME stuff | 08:21 |
slomo | libgtk2.0-dev / libgtk-dev | 08:21 |
slomo | and what gnome stuff? | 08:21 |
KyralRetsam | Says it needs "Standard GNOME-2 dependencies" | 08:21 |
slomo | hum | 08:21 |
slomo | very precise =) | 08:22 |
KyralRetsam | no kiddin' ;P | 08:22 |
slomo | does this package use autotools? | 08:22 |
KyralRetsam | yah, THANK GOD | 08:22 |
slomo | look at configure.ac / configure.in for the actual dependencies ;) | 08:22 |
slomo | you'll get the minimal version by that too | 08:22 |
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LaserJock | KyralRetsam: what do you have for Section in your control file? | 08:23 |
KyralRetsam | science | 08:23 |
hub | network manage in dapper is broken | 08:23 |
LaserJock | KyralRetsam: I don't think that is right | 08:24 |
KyralRetsam | Okay, tell me what is right ;P | 08:25 |
slomo | what does this package do? | 08:27 |
LaserJock | FlowDesigner is a free (GPL/LGPL) data-flow oriented development environment | 08:27 |
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KyralRetsam | Is this a multiple binary package? | 08:28 |
KyralRetsam | I'm running finddeps and it looks like it... | 08:28 |
LaserJock | KyralRetsam: well you at least need to have universe/science . I think that is what we want after all | 08:30 |
KyralRetsam | k | 08:31 |
KyralRetsam | GTK+ is.... | 08:31 |
KyralRetsam | libgtk+? | 08:31 |
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slomo | libgtk2.0-dev | 08:32 |
slomo | and put it under section dev | 08:32 |
KyralRetsam | universe/dev? | 08:32 |
slomo | no need to put universe/ there | 08:32 |
slomo | oh wait... | 08:33 |
bmonty_laptop | if the current version number is 0.9.50-2build1 and I upgrade is 0.9.80-0ubuntu1 correct? | 08:33 |
slomo | what exactly is meant with data-flow oriented dev environment? | 08:33 |
slomo | what kind of dev? ;;) | 08:33 |
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slomo | bmonty_laptop: yes and be sure you don't touch the tarball | 08:33 |
KyralRetsam | Now which fftw-dev do I use? | 08:34 |
KyralRetsam | fftw-dev or fftw3-dev | 08:34 |
bmonty_laptop | slomo: I had to modify the upstream tarball to get rid of some CVS files | 08:34 |
slomo | bmonty_laptop: leave them | 08:34 |
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bmonty_laptop | slomo: ok, well the files in REVU have the CVS files in them | 08:35 |
bmonty_laptop | I was removing them to fix that lintian warning | 08:35 |
LaserJock | slomo: I can't explain it very well. http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1123 | 08:35 |
slomo | bmonty_laptop: hmm... hmmm... talk to the debian maintainer... it will make syncs unnecessary hard if we or he changes the tarball ;) | 08:36 |
KyralRetsam | I'm gonna take "Standard GNOME2 Deps" to mean libgnome2-dev | 08:36 |
bmonty_laptop | slomo: ok | 08:37 |
slomo | KyralRetsam: look at configure.{ac,in} and try to build it in pbuilder... when it builds fine there you have all deps ;) | 08:37 |
KyralRetsam | yah I will | 08:38 |
KyralRetsam | its what I intend to do | 08:38 |
slomo | bmonty_laptop: or you could take care of the package for the remaining 0.9.80-line and change the tarball as much as you want ;) | 08:38 |
slomo | KyralRetsam, LaserJock: section dev seems ok | 08:38 |
slomo | and for fftw... try which one is needed | 08:39 |
LaserJock | KyralRetsam: try http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4115 | 08:39 |
KyralRetsam | I tried that ;P | 08:39 |
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LaserJock | slomo: yes, I just overlooked the Development section. That is where I wanted it. Thanks | 08:40 |
bmonty_laptop | slomo: the issue is if the debian maintainers upgrade and change the original source tarball will create diff problems, right? | 08:41 |
bmonty_laptop | does it make more sense to give the upgraded package to the debian maintainers and then sync it in? | 08:41 |
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LaserJock | hi azeem! | 08:43 |
KyralRetsam | Now for the changelog entry | 08:43 |
KyralRetsam | what command do I want? | 08:43 |
KyralRetsam | dch -v? | 08:43 |
azeem | LaserJock: hi | 08:43 |
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bmonty_laptop | azeem: only uploaded to REVU | 08:44 |
bmonty_laptop | package is gphpedit | 08:44 |
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\sh | http;//wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting | 08:47 |
\sh | please read the agenda points and add more if you want | 08:48 |
KyralRetsam | \sh | 08:49 |
KyralRetsam | s/;/: | 08:49 |
\sh | KyralRetsam: ? | 08:51 |
KyralRetsam | the link | 08:51 |
KyralRetsam | you put a ; where a : should be ;P | 08:52 |
\sh | KyralRetsam: argl | 08:52 |
KyralRetsam | I'm in a coding mood so I pick up on syntax errors ;P | 08:52 |
KyralRetsam | FlowDesigner is building in my Dapper PBuilder as we speak | 08:53 |
KyralRetsam | I'll check it against Breezy, Sid, and Sarge | 08:53 |
\sh | KyralRetsam: good to hear...u will have a lot of coding to do for dapper...in a short timeframe :) | 08:53 |
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KyralRetsam | SIR YES SIR! *hehe* | 08:54 |
KyralRetsam | LaserJock, have you heard fomr the developers yet? | 08:54 |
LaserJock | KyralRetsam: nope | 08:54 |
blueyed | I'd like to add the "recent" module to iptables. Is it available through apt/dpkg? | 08:55 |
KyralRetsam | I think you have to recompile the kernel | 08:55 |
LaserJock | KyralRetsam: I am going to email the main author directly instead of the mailing list | 08:55 |
KyralRetsam | IPTables is integrated into the kernel right? | 08:55 |
KyralRetsam | LaserJock, if these build you can attach the debpacks directly ;P | 08:56 |
LaserJock | ? In the email? | 08:56 |
KyralRetsam | Yah | 08:57 |
LaserJock | yeah, ok. I will wait for you to do that | 08:57 |
KyralRetsam | Keep in mind if these work, I still have to clean up debian/ | 08:57 |
KyralRetsam | I didn't run Lintian against it | 08:57 |
KyralRetsam | this run is to just make sure I got build-deps and whatnot right | 08:58 |
KyralRetsam | so \sh this meeting is at 4:40 PM EST? | 09:01 |
\sh | Kyral, 15:40 montreal time...which is 21:40 UTC | 09:02 |
\sh | it's 6 hours | 09:02 |
farruinn | oh right, now that we're on "daylight savings" | 09:02 |
\sh | yeah :) | 09:03 |
farruinn | \sh: are you still in montreal? | 09:03 |
\sh | farruinn, jepp....tomorrow evening we're leaving | 09:03 |
KyralRetsam | yah farruinn and I are actually like 4 feet from each other right now ;P | 09:03 |
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KyralRetsam | whee!! | 09:06 |
KyralRetsam | I actually have this screen on a projector so the entire PNYTeam can view the meeting ;P | 09:06 |
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KyralRetsam | yes....? | 09:08 |
KyralRetsam | keep in mind that my other ghost is here as well ;P | 09:08 |
KyralRetsam | dang this thing is taking a while to compile | 09:09 |
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slomo | KyralRetsam: how is the progress with your package? :) | 09:13 |
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KyralRetsam | make[2] : *** No rule to make target `all'. Stop | 09:13 |
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slomo | nice ;) | 09:13 |
KyralRetsam | Why do I think that has to do with my Arch setting? | 09:13 |
slomo | does it work when compiling by hand? | 09:13 |
slomo | hi ivoks :) | 09:13 |
ivoks | hi | 09:14 |
ivoks | i'm building xen :) | 09:14 |
slomo | KyralRetsam: no idea... can't be caused by that unless you've done something completly wrong ;) | 09:14 |
slomo | ivoks: :) will you work on good xen integration into dapper? :P | 09:14 |
ivoks | slomo: i doubt that... | 09:15 |
ivoks | slomo: but if help is needed... | 09:15 |
ivoks | The GNOME interface is going to become the default interface on both the SLES (SuSE Linux Enterprise Server) and Novell Linux Desktop line. | 09:15 |
ivoks | hehe | 09:16 |
slomo | the GNOME interface for what? or GNOME itself as default desktop enviromnent? | 09:16 |
ivoks | as desktop and for their tools | 09:16 |
ivoks | (novell's) | 09:17 |
slomo | great news :) | 09:17 |
bmonty_laptop | ivoks: can you use Xen to run breezy and dapper? | 09:17 |
hunger | slomo: I just hacked up some xen debs:-) | 09:17 |
KyralRetsam | Xen is sexy | 09:18 |
ivoks | bmonty_laptop: i intend to use it for RHEL AS 4 | 09:18 |
ivoks | did anyone tried flock? | 09:18 |
slomo | hunger: nice :) will you upload them somewhere? | 09:19 |
KyralRetsam | hmm is there anyway to tell if a package is going to produce multiple binaries? | 09:19 |
hunger | slomo: I do not have webspace. I'll upload them if I find some space to do so. | 09:20 |
LaserJock | KyralRetsam: have you built from the tarball? | 09:20 |
ivoks | hunger: i have space | 09:20 |
KyralRetsam | LaserJock, I'm doing that now | 09:20 |
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KyralRetsam | no pbuilder ;P | 09:20 |
KyralRetsam | FlowDesigner will be built on a i686-pc-linux-gnu system to run | 09:20 |
KyralRetsam | on a i686-pc-linux-gnu system, with the following options: | 09:20 |
KyralRetsam | FlowDesigner will build audio_blocks toolkit | 09:20 |
KyralRetsam | FlowDesigner will build effects toolkit | 09:20 |
KyralRetsam | FlowDesigner will build NNet toolkit | 09:20 |
KyralRetsam | FlowDesigner will build HMM toolkit | 09:20 |
KyralRetsam | FlowDesigner will build VQ toolkit | 09:20 |
KyralRetsam | FlowDesigner will build FuzzyEngine toolkit | 09:21 |
KyralRetsam | FlowDesigner will build vflow toolkit | 09:21 |
KyralRetsam | I apologize for the paste | 09:21 |
hunger | ivoks: Cool:-) I just started on them today (and these are my first debs, so they will suck). | 09:21 |
slomo | KyralRetsam: multiple binary packages... hmm... look at my faad2 package for example =) | 09:21 |
ivoks | uh :) | 09:21 |
hunger | ivoks: I'll send them your way once lintian likes them;-) | 09:21 |
ivoks | uh :) | 09:21 |
KyralRetsam | well, that LOOKS like it will produce multiple debs | 09:21 |
slomo | hunger: did you base them on the "official" ones from the xen hp? (iirc there were some) | 09:21 |
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hunger | slomo: I tried to reuse those from xenophobia. | 09:22 |
ivoks | we need xen in kernel | 09:23 |
hunger | slomo: But I wanted to try cdbs, so I rewrote almost everything. | 09:23 |
ivoks | that way i wouldn't have to kill my 20 days uptime on laptop :) | 09:23 |
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hunger | ivoks: ... and the glibc patch for TLS if it is not already there. | 09:23 |
magnon | dholbach <3 | 09:23 |
bmonty_laptop | ivoks: would you mind taking a look at the debdiff on #3082 and uploading if it is ok? | 09:24 |
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ivoks | bmonty_laptop: i'll hit bugs and uploads as soon as UBZ finishes | 09:24 |
slomo | bmonty_laptop: give me the url and i'll take a look | 09:24 |
ivoks | bmonty_laptop: when i get feedback on some desicions | 09:24 |
bmonty_laptop | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/debian-helper-scripts/+bug/3082 | 09:25 |
bmonty_laptop | slomo: I sent an email to the debian maintainers for gphpedit | 09:25 |
slomo | bmonty_laptop: looks fine... i'll upload it after a deeper look in a few minutes | 09:26 |
hunger | How do I find out what actually made it into the debs I created? | 09:26 |
bmonty_laptop | slomo: k, thanks....it was a simple fix | 09:26 |
slomo | yes | 09:26 |
bmonty_laptop | hunger: use debdiff | 09:26 |
bmonty_laptop | or dpkg-deb -c | 09:26 |
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hunger | bmonty_laptop: Ah... that's it. I have been trying deb-dpkg :-) | 09:29 |
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dholbach | magnon: :) | 09:30 |
LaserJock | in a copyright file, do I need a year? | 09:30 |
slomo | yes | 09:31 |
slomo | bmonty_laptop: uploaded | 09:31 |
LaserJock | what year do I use? I mean where would I find that info? Do I just use 2005? | 09:31 |
slomo | LaserJock: it should be written somewhere in the sources... normally you'll find something like "Copyright (c) year, years name" | 09:32 |
LaserJock | slomo: well what if that info isn't there? | 09:33 |
hunger | Arrg! xen's build system SUCKS! | 09:33 |
ivoks | ? | 09:33 |
ivoks | it rocks | 09:33 |
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slomo | LaserJock: run away an cry ;) | 09:34 |
hunger | ivoks: Each tool subdir uses a differnt rule-name to build stuff. | 09:34 |
slomo | LaserJock: or leave the year out | 09:35 |
KyralRetsam | 5 minutes to meeting! | 09:35 |
LaserJock | slomo: hmm, the COPYING file in the source is just a copy of the GPL | 09:35 |
slomo | LaserJock: look at the actual sourcefiles | 09:36 |
ivoks | see you... bye | 09:36 |
LaserJock | slomo: they say, look at the COPYING file | 09:37 |
bmonty_laptop | slomo: thanks | 09:37 |
slomo | LaserJock: who is they? | 09:37 |
LaserJock | slomo: the sourcefiles | 09:38 |
slomo | LaserJock: nice ;) then leave the year out... | 09:38 |
KyralRetsam | LaserJock, what are you working on? | 09:38 |
hub | dholbach: when is the MOTU BOF? | 09:39 |
LaserJock | KyralRetsam: plotdrop. it is on gnomefiles too | 09:39 |
KyralRetsam | cool | 09:39 |
dholbach | hub: should be now or something | 09:39 |
KyralRetsam | another package for MOTUScience! | 09:39 |
KyralRetsam | We should run through GNOMEFiles on recon soon | 09:39 |
hub | dholbach: 'cause I'm waiting after magnon to come bac | 09:39 |
LaserJock | KyralRetsam: that is why I put it on the MOTUScience wiki ;-) | 09:40 |
magnon | motu is now yeah | 09:40 |
hub | dholbach: where is it? | 09:40 |
KyralRetsam | here | 09:41 |
KyralRetsam | I thnk | 09:41 |
magnon | where the hell is here | 09:41 |
hub | here | 09:41 |
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magnon | no, the BOF | 09:41 |
magnon | siretart: joining the motu bof? | 09:41 |
magnon | dholbach: where!= | 09:41 |
ajmitch | magnon: we're in the main room, not sure if we're moving | 09:41 |
\sh | ok | 09:41 |
\sh | we're joining #buntu-meeting ? | 09:42 |
KyralRetsam | so the IRC Meeting is gonna happen at the same time as the BOF or am I just very confused | 09:42 |
magnon | I can't see you | 09:42 |
\sh | yes | 09:42 |
KyralRetsam | so here? | 09:42 |
KyralRetsam | or #ubuntu-meeting? | 09:42 |
\sh | ubuntu meeting | 09:42 |
\sh | magnon: #ubuntu-meeting | 09:43 |
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hunger | I think I am too stupid for cdbs. I'll better redo this in a more conventional way. | 09:44 |
KyralRetsam | does "any" in Arch entry have to be capitialized? | 09:45 |
Mithrandir | KyralRetsam: no, it should not be. | 09:45 |
KyralRetsam | okay... | 09:45 |
magnon | Ubuntu MOTU meeting => #ubuntu-meeting | 09:46 |
hunger | How do I do conffiles in multi binary environments? | 09:46 |
crimsun | tritium: ping, #ubuntu-meeting | 09:46 |
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tritium | thanks, crimsun | 09:47 |
zakame | hello all | 09:47 |
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\sh | #buntu-meeting if u want to attend the meeting | 09:47 |
koke | #ubuntu-meeting ;) | 09:49 |
KyralRetsam | should I make FlowDesigner Arch: any or Arch: all | 09:50 |
LaserJock | KyralRetsam: from what I understand, you want any | 09:52 |
KyralRetsam | yah | 09:52 |
zakame | KyralRetsam: Arch: all is for those architecture-independent types of programs :) | 09:53 |
KyralRetsam | which mean..... | 09:53 |
zakame | if a package involves some gcc compiling, then it's most likely an arch: any package | 09:54 |
KyralRetsam | Yah....its GCC :P | 09:54 |
LaserJock | ones, like python that are arch independent. C/C++ progs on the other hand will make arch dependent binarys | 09:54 |
tritium | crimsun, normally, nothing takes me away from N.D. football, but I'll make an exception today ;) | 09:54 |
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KyralRetsam | so arch any or arch all | 09:54 |
crimsun | it is impossible to tell who's saying what at the bof, which is unfortunate | 09:57 |
KyralRetsam | so if it uses GCC, then make it Arch: Any? | 09:57 |
LaserJock | KyralRetsam: that is what I think | 09:58 |
KyralRetsam | kk | 09:58 |
zakame | Kyral: yep | 09:58 |
KyralRetsam | it compiles clean outta the tarball | 09:58 |
hunger | Hmmm... how do I move files from one deb into another during build? | 09:59 |
crimsun | dh_movefiles | 09:59 |
KyralRetsam | Wow...this is as clear as mud | 10:03 |
zakame | haha | 10:03 |
LaserJock | no kidding | 10:03 |
crimsun | essentially the issue is that we have a ton of packages to handle via merge | 10:03 |
KyralRetsam | Umm, guys at UBZ, like | 10:04 |
KyralRetsam | make a meeting to summerize the MOTUBof | 10:04 |
KyralRetsam | because this is really really making no sense ;P | 10:04 |
crimsun | we want to reduce that number of merged packages by pushing changes upstream (at least to Debian if not upstream upstream) | 10:04 |
zakame | crimsun: yep, more than 15k I believe? | 10:04 |
crimsun | that way we convert those merges to simple syncs from Debian | 10:04 |
crimsun | (a merge being a Ubuntu-specific change, i.e., any package with -XubuntuY versioning) | 10:05 |
KyralRetsam | they are called debdiffs ;P | 10:05 |
crimsun | debdiffs are more general, since they can be used in any situation | 10:06 |
KyralRetsam | oh you want a solution for Ubuntu to Debian things | 10:06 |
bmonty_laptop | crimsun: so the main idea is to get debain maintainers to accept our fixes and then sync them into ubuntu? | 10:06 |
KyralRetsam | s/ubuntu/debian? | 10:07 |
crimsun | bmonty_laptop: partly, yes | 10:07 |
slomo | wasn't there this utnubu project which wanted to get ubuntu changes back into debian? | 10:07 |
slomo | did they silently die? | 10:07 |
zakame | hmmm, that would somewhat require us to get patches up to debian's bts | 10:07 |
magnon | you guys should talk in #ubuntu-meeting if you have comments to our agenda and discussion | 10:07 |
crimsun | I'm just clarifying the situation, since there was confusion. | 10:07 |
KyralRetsam | someone channel this into that | 10:07 |
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KyralRetsam | hmm | 10:10 |
KyralRetsam | it compiles clean from tarball | 10:10 |
KyralRetsam | but not in pbuilder | 10:10 |
zakame | KyralRetsam: prolly missing dep? | 10:10 |
KyralRetsam | no | 10:10 |
KyralRetsam | its complaining about a makerule | 10:10 |
zakame | KyralRetsam: what's the rule? | 10:12 |
KyralRetsam | no rule to make target "all" | 10:13 |
zakame | in what directory did this happen? | 10:13 |
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KyralRetsam | vflow | 10:14 |
tritium | What's this UVF I keep seeing? | 10:14 |
zakame | upstream version freeze | 10:14 |
tritium | ah | 10:14 |
KyralRetsam | It doesn't even look like ./configure is being run | 10:18 |
zakame | hmm, isn't that supposed to be in your debian/rules? | 10:18 |
KyralRetsam | yah... | 10:18 |
KyralRetsam | and it looks like it too | 10:19 |
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KyralRetsam | yanno I'm gonna start over right now :P | 10:27 |
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magnon | ok | 10:47 |
magnon | MOTU dinner in montreal | 10:47 |
magnon | everyone's welcome | 10:47 |
magnon | :D | 10:47 |
crimsun | yeah, let me just strap on my jet shoes | 10:47 |
KyralRetsam | Will you drive me? | 10:47 |
zakame | eat for us ;) | 10:47 |
magnon | I'm in montreal already, sorry | 10:47 |
slomo | magnon: will you get a flight ticket for me? ;) | 10:48 |
KyralRetsam | damn you to hell! | 10:48 |
magnon | mm, I just have enough to pay the hotel, sorry | 10:48 |
KyralRetsam | naywy time to get outta dodge | 10:48 |
\sh | sladen: we have to sign keys | 10:48 |
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zakame | hmm is revu down? | 11:09 |
bmonty_laptop | works for me | 11:09 |
zakame | oh, yes, its up, damn dialup lag :( | 11:10 |
zakame | seems that many reviewers are busy, my upload hasn't been reviewed yet :( | 11:11 |
hunger | Any idea why dpatch might fail? patch -p1 works. | 11:22 |
hunger | dpatch says the patch was rejected and creates a .rej for the file I want patched. | 11:22 |
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crimsun | err | 11:23 |
crimsun | did you dpatchify the diff? | 11:23 |
zakame | is the file involved changed during prebuild, before dpatching? | 11:23 |
hunger | crimsun: Yes. the unchanged thing works. | 11:24 |
hunger | zakame: this is the one and only patch that gets applied. | 11:24 |
crimsun | must be changed during clean or something, as zakame alluded to | 11:24 |
crimsun | and you're in the top-level of the source, I presume? | 11:24 |
hunger | zakame: The file is in exactly the state I want it to be (unpatched). When calling dpatch apply-all it fails. | 11:24 |
zakame | hub: what does the .rej look like? | 11:26 |
hub | zakame: ? | 11:27 |
hub | zs | 11:27 |
hub | zakame: you mean hunger? | 11:27 |
zakame | hub: oops, I meant hunger, sorry :) | 11:27 |
zakame | hunger: : what does the .rej look like? | 11:27 |
hunger | zakame: i do not see anything strange in it. | 11:27 |
siretart | zakame: hardly, I'm via ssh on tiber | 11:28 |
zakame | siretart: ??? | 11:28 |
zakame | hunger: can you apply the .rej manually, as in hunk by hunk? | 11:28 |
hunger | zakame: I think so... | 11:29 |
\sh | siretart: i don't have a mail from u | 11:29 |
siretart | \sh: 2005-11-05 22:59:49 1EYW4d-00066t-Ux => sh@linux-server.org R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp H=mail.linux-server.org [80.237.233.3] X=TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32 | 11:30 |
siretart | \sh: ? | 11:30 |
siretart | zakame: you said tiber was down | 11:30 |
\sh | siretart: argl...sh@sourcecode.de | 11:30 |
\sh | now i have to setup my account for sh@linux-server.org | 11:31 |
zakame | siretart: yes, i did, but it was my connection acting up, sorry | 11:31 |
siretart | \sh: shall I resend the mail? | 11:31 |
\sh | siretart: would be nice :) | 11:32 |
zakame | hunger: hmmm, maybe your dpatch is not patching to the right file... | 11:33 |
hunger | zakame: I somehow messed up the patch. | 11:33 |
hunger | zakame: I recreated the dpatch. Now it works. I can not see any diff, but something did go wrong with the last conversion. | 11:36 |
zakame | hunger: wtg :D | 11:36 |
bmonty_laptop | can someone help with some questions on ongoing-merge? | 11:38 |
bmonty_laptop | http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/liblockfile-simple-perl/ | 11:39 |
bmonty_laptop | clear | 11:39 |
slomo | is MoM running again? and does it fill bugreports? ;) | 11:39 |
bmonty_laptop | not sure | 11:40 |
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bmonty_laptop | i'm confused because the merge page seems to show that there is an ubuntu version of the latest from debian, but it doesn't appear to be in the archive | 11:41 |
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siretart | \sh: now you should have it | 11:42 |
\sh | siretart: yeppp | 11:43 |
\sh | thx | 11:43 |
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_thierry | where do we post the patchs for the packages https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseDesktopFileAbsolutePath | 11:53 |
_thierry | ? | 11:53 |
crimsun | _thierry: malone | 11:53 |
crimsun | I'm around doing fixing, so I'll look if you give me a bug # | 11:53 |
crimsun | bmonty_laptop: archive only has 0.2.5-4ubuntu1 | 11:54 |
_thierry | crimsun : ok but are the bugs already open, or do I need to open one for each package? | 11:54 |
crimsun | bmonty_laptop: where's the discrepancy? | 11:54 |
crimsun | _thierry: no need to open new ones, just give me a debdiff | 11:54 |
_thierry | crimsun : by e-mail? | 11:54 |
crimsun | _thierry: posted on the Web is best so that I can wget | 11:55 |
crimsun | _thierry: otherwise, an e-mail attachment suffices | 11:55 |
_thierry | crimsun : well I don't have web site but if you can give me somewhere to post on... otherwise, what is your e-mail adress? | 11:57 |
crimsun | _thierry: crimsun at fungus dot sh dot nu | 11:57 |
_thierry | crimsun : k thanks | 11:58 |
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