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ajmitchLaserJock: I was.. :)12:05
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LaserJockajmitch: I was just wondering if you were too busy, I thought I might volunteer to help12:06
ajmitchI was busy, getting to UBZ & all12:07
LaserJockthat is what I thought12:08
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keyeshello12:33
LaserJockcan I get somebody's opinion on a licences?12:33
\shLaserJock: yeah...elmos :)12:33
keyesIs Opera included in Multiverse?12:33
LaserJock\sh: lol, but could you look at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4084 real quick?12:34
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hub_LaserJock: looks like plain GPL12:35
\shLaserJock: oh ok....elmo is just around here...I'll ask him straight away....12:35
\shhub_: na its not12:35
hub_LaserJock: I mean LGPL12:35
hub_linking against a GPL library12:35
LaserJockwell, I have no licensing experience. Is that OK? I wasn't quite sure what they were saying12:36
\shLaserJock: ok...approved...it just repeats the gpl12:36
\shLaserJock: elmo had a look and I trust him12:36
LaserJockok, good12:37
hub_LaserJock: the thing is that it warns about the fact that it links against GPL which prevent writing proprietary module12:37
\shhub_: we need to sign keys12:38
LaserJockok, so as long as we did everything GPL/LGPL we would be ok?12:38
hub_\sh: ok. we are you?12:38
hub_were12:38
\shhub_: in the bar room...next to the meeting room12:38
hub_qh ok12:38
Mez\sh: there's a bar?12:40
Mezdown here ?12:40
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\shi need some electricity for this baby here....12:42
hub_Mez: yep12:42
\shonly one hour left12:42
Mezhmm12:42
MezI may have to go there12:42
Mezmmm beer12:42
Mezlol12:42
MezI think I'd get mugged if I walked into this room with a beer12:43
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:\sh] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | REVU up again: http://revu.tauware.de | somebody please help writing up the MOTU report: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReportDraft | UBZ MOTU Meeting Tomorrow - Time will be released this evening (Montreal Time)
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KyralSo what did I miss?01:00
LaserJockKyral: I sent an email to the FlowDesigner mailing list telling them about our intentions and I got the licence OK'd01:01
KyralOh I knew the LGPL was okay01:01
LaserJockKyral: I just wanted to be sure of the second paragraph of it since I don't have any licensing experience ;-)01:02
Kyralthe LGPL comes directly from GNU01:02
Kyralits legit ;P01:02
LaserJockwell, I knew that LGPL was OK but I wasn't sure about the linking to FFTW01:03
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Kyralisn;t FFTW also GPL/LGPL?01:03
cevizogluFFTW?01:03
cevizoglufast-fourier transform?01:04
LaserJockKyral: yes GPL01:04
LaserJockcevizoglu: yeah01:04
KyralYah so its all good01:04
KyralGPL linking to GPL is always good01:04
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Kyralor any of the official GNU licenses01:05
KyralAny word from the devs yet?01:06
KyralIt looks like an easy package job, if the AutoConf is standard01:08
LaserJockKyral: no word from the devs, it might be a little while01:09
Kyralno prob01:09
Kyralno hurry01:09
Kyraloh \sh, can I make a request about the meeting tomorrow?01:09
KyralI have something going on tomorrow between noon and like 2 PM EST(Montreal Time), so if you could not hold the meeting during that time it would be great :D01:10
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KyralOff to serve as a New User Mentor :P01:13
LaserJockgood luck ;-)01:14
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bmonty_laptophi everyone02:38
zakamehi all02:38
zakamehi bmonty_laptop02:38
bmonty_laptopis everyone out partying at UBZ?02:39
zakameprobably :)02:39
LaserJockhi bmonty_laptop02:40
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bmonty_laptophey LaserJock02:41
LaserJockhow's it going bmonty_laptop ?02:41
bmonty_laptophow did the research propsal presentation go02:41
LaserJockeverything is good, I think ;-)02:41
bmonty_laptopnice02:42
LaserJockI will find out in Dec. if I get the fellowship02:42
bmonty_laptopI'm watching this report on NBC about guys picking up boys over instant messenger....pretty sick02:42
zakamegaah02:42
LaserJockugggh02:43
LaserJockbbl, I gotta get home02:43
bmonty_laptophaha, they just told the guys that the are on TV02:43
zakamebye LaserJock :D02:43
bmonty_laptopcya LaserJock02:44
LaserJockcya02:44
bmonty_laptopanyone know what the launchpad-dependencies package is?02:46
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mloskothi all02:53
mloskotCould someone explain me debian -> ubuntu packages adoption procedure?02:53
mloskotPackage X has only maintainer for Debian, then whos is responsible for adopting/testing it under Ubuntu, etc.02:54
zakamemloskot: some packages from Debian main get synced in Ubuntu universe02:54
mloskotzakame: automatically?02:54
zakamemloskot: not really... see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources02:55
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mloskotzakame: I understand it now.02:57
zakamemloskot: there are also debian packages in ubuntu that are maintained by universe maintainers and MOTUs02:57
mloskotsure02:58
zakamebrb02:58
mloskotFunny, I'm interested in moving Degian-GIS to Ubuntu, because there is no MOTU Team working on it (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTeams)02:59
mloskotbut as I see, there has been started Ubuntu GIS sub-project https://wiki.ubuntu.com//UbuntuGIS02:59
mloskotWhy this team is not listed in MOTU Teams list?03:00
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bmonty_laptopmloskot: probably because they didn't add themselves to that list03:04
thierry_is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto still valid or we need to set it for dapper?03:05
mloskotbmonty_laptop: yes, but that's the reason I couldn't find them ;-)03:05
bmonty_laptopthierry_: it has instructions for dapper near the bottom03:07
thierry_k03:07
bmonty_laptopbasically build a breezy pbuilder, and then convert it to dapper03:07
thierry_k but will it break my system, I mean will it make the whole system use dev packages?03:08
bmonty_laptopmloskot: if you know how to work with packages, you could ask for a REVU account and put your packages there to be added to universe03:08
bmonty_laptopthierry_: no, the pbuilder runs in a chroot, it won't touch the system03:09
thierry_cool thanks03:09
mloskotbmonty_laptop: I've sent my MOTU requrest to Oliver Grawert.03:09
mloskotbmonty_laptop: because I just started to work on my own packages03:09
bmonty_laptopyou don't need to be an MOTU to upload to REVU (I'm not an MOTU)03:09
mloskotand I'd like tp push them to Univ03:09
mloskotbmonty_laptop: hm, I just read the Wiki and tried to follow official way of participation03:10
mloskotbmonty_laptop: but that's not a problem, sure03:10
mloskotbmonty_laptop: Yes, I have my own first small package, so first steps are behind me, then I could move on.03:10
mloskotbmonty_laptop: OK, I'll learn REVU and push there my package(s).03:11
bmonty_laptopmloskot: that would probably be the best way to get your package reviewed03:11
mloskotok03:11
bmonty_laptopand hang out in this channel and help out :)03:11
mloskotyes, that's what I'd like to do after hours.03:12
mloskotBTW, I asked on #ubuntu but no answer, is there any Request Feature tool somewhere where I could put my request?03:13
bmonty_laptopcool03:13
bmonty_laptopmloskot: i'm sorry...request for what?03:13
bmonty_laptopto move your GIS package to universe?03:13
mloskotwhere I could submit new feature request, not about GIS, but i.e. small feature for GNOME menu ;-)03:14
bmonty_laptopyou should file a bug in lauchpad against the package with the feature you want03:14
mloskotI see, thanks03:15
mloskot(I mean Feature Request as something like Feature Request tool on SourceForge.net Tracker for hosted projects)03:16
mloskotok, thanks, see you later03:16
bmonty_laptoplaunchpad would be the best place03:16
bmonty_laptopcya mloskot03:17
mloskotthanks03:17
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thierry_I think there's an error in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto at dapper change... /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/ doesn't point to a directory, not a file03:30
bmonty_laptopthierry_: there are a couple of files to change03:32
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thierry_bmonty_laptop : even the .gpg files?03:32
bmonty_laptopthierry_: specifically the pbuilderrc and sources.list03:32
bmonty_laptopthierry_: I changed breezy to dapper in pbuilderrc and sources.list and the chroot has dapper packages in it03:33
thierry_k03:33
thierry_thanks03:33
thierry_bmonty_laptop : when I do sudo pbuilder update --override-config I get a error that no distribution is specified03:35
thierry_could be an error and that we need to add --distribution dapper ?03:36
bmonty_laptopthierry_: I don't think so, did you specify the distribution as dapper in pbuilderrc?03:39
thierry_yes03:40
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bmonty_laptopthierry_: all I can say is follow all the instructions on the wiki03:41
bmonty_laptopI could also email you my config files if you want03:41
thierry_k... but I really wonder, because once I specified --distribution dapper everything worked fine03:42
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bmonty_laptopi don't think I had to do that, but if it works, great! :)03:43
thierry_k03:43
thierry_mmm I a MOTU wanabe who wonder where to go after pbuilder configuration...03:44
bmonty_laptopbuild some packages!03:44
thierry_in the REVU?03:45
thierry_I know this is a common question but : Where is the easiest place to start?03:46
bmonty_laptopno REVU packages are already built03:46
bmonty_laptopdo you know how packages work?03:46
bmonty_laptopi.e. can you build a package from scratch?03:47
thierry_bmonty_laptop : well not yet :)03:47
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bmonty_laptopthierry_: first thing is to learn how packages work03:47
bmonty_laptopread the Debian new maintainers guide03:48
thierry_then go in the universe candidates and start trying to make a package?03:48
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bmonty_laptopthierry_: yes, or you could work on bugs in Malone03:48
bmonty_laptoponce UBZ is done you could help with implementing some of the specs they come up with03:48
thierry_mmm what is UBZ and what is exactly a spec (alredy heard of it but never understood what was one)03:49
bmonty_laptopUBZ is the ubuntu developer conference going on in Montreal03:49
LaserJockUbuntu Below Zero03:50
bmonty_laptopI'm not sure if I want to take a stab at defining what a specification is, but basically it is a document that describes the features a piece of software is supposed to have03:50
thierry_k...03:51
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jsgotangcowell a spec is more of a guide for developers and community people on what to work on for a target release03:55
bmonty_laptopjsgotangco: probably  a better definition than I could give :)03:56
jsgotangcobasically during a devel conference like ubz, participants make tons of specs and have people assign them or have the other specs get adopted by the community to develop03:56
bmonty_laptopjsgotangco: I'm thinking more along the lines of how it is defined in a software engineering text03:56
jsgotangcoahhh03:57
jsgotangcosure in some LP BOFs that happens03:58
bmonty_laptopjsgotangco: still I think we are thinking the same thing03:58
jsgotangcoyes03:58
jsgotangcobut UBZ also has community stuff so theres no software development involved03:58
bmonty_laptopyeah right, I bet those guys can't stop themselves from writing some code :)04:00
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thierry_at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot do I need to change all breezy for dapper?04:07
LaserJockif you want a dapper pbuilder04:07
LaserJockor chroot rather04:08
thierry_well I want to build new packages, so this should for dapper right?04:08
LaserJockyep04:08
thierry_k thanks04:08
thierry_I get E: No such script: dapper04:09
thierry_ when I do sudo debootstrap [--variant=buildd]  [--arch i386]  breezy /var/chroot/ http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/04:09
freeflyingsudo debootstrap --variant=buildd --arch i386 dapper /var/chroot/ http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/04:12
freeflyingthierry:you shall do like that04:12
thierry_I get E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/dapper04:14
freeflyinghave configure your pbuilderrc correctly04:18
thierry_well yes04:18
thierry_I changed DISTRIBUTION= to dapper04:18
KyralYou need help for a Dapper PBuilder?04:19
freeflyingyou needn't do this step ,just update04:19
freeflyingthere is help on wiki04:19
LaserJockthierry_: are you makeing a chroot or a pbuilder?04:19
LaserJockthierry_: i think you need to find the debootstrap .deb for dapper at packages.ubuntu.com and install that first04:20
pietrusthierry_: just create a pbuilder for breezy and then change pbulderc and pbuilder apt.source to point to dapper and run the updaet command that is in the bottom f the wiki page04:21
pietrusi have just done this04:21
pietrusgotta go to bed now04:23
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thierry_LaserJock : well pbuilder isn't suppose to be made inside the chroot after creating it04:27
bmonty_laptopthierry_: pbuilder makes a chroot04:28
bmonty_laptopthat is what "pbuilder create" does04:28
thierry_ho04:29
tsengbmonty_laptop: what was your goal with using ldap and krb "together"04:35
tsengi only use one or the other04:35
bmonty_laptoptseng: single sign on with openafs04:35
tsengoh.. afs04:36
bmonty_laptopldap has user information, krb has passwords and a logon gets you a ticket04:36
tsengyes i use krb5 for auth on all my systems04:36
tsengldap for the corporate user system for one app04:36
tsengnever both for one auth04:37
bmonty_laptoptseng: I got ldap and kerberos working...turns out there was a problem with reverse lookups on my DNS04:37
tsenghm oh04:37
tsenggood :)04:37
bmonty_laptopnow I'm working on openafs....its confusing04:38
bmonty_laptopmy goal is to be able to have a single sign on with my home directory in afs so it is the same on all my machines04:38
bmonty_laptopand when I travel with my laptop I don't need network access to get to my files04:39
tsengthat would be awesome04:40
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bmonty_laptoptseng: it is taking a little longer to implement than I woud like :)04:41
bmonty_laptopanyone know how to get an X program in a pbuilder chroot to be able to access the X display?04:51
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LaserJockbmonty_laptop: why do you want to do that?05:19
bmonty_laptopLaserJock: to test an X app from inside the dapper pbuilder :)05:20
LaserJockwhy not a dapper chroot?05:20
bmonty_laptopthats what the pbuilder is05:21
LaserJockwell, but isn't it kinda different. It is a chroot that is recreated everytime you call pbuilder?05:22
bmonty_laptopLaserJock: yeah it makes a new chroot everytime you start it05:22
LaserJockbut if you just have a regular chroot you can do a lot more testing, etc05:23
bmonty_laptopwhere are the instructions to make a regular chroot?05:24
LaserJockI guess I would just make the .debs and install them in a chroot05:24
LaserJockwiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot05:24
bmonty_laptopi'll check that out thanks05:25
LaserJockI made a dapper chroot that has my /home bind mounted (its in the wiki) so I can have access to my home directory within the chroot05:26
bmonty_laptopLaserJock: do you have to do the same like pbuilder, make a breezy chroot and then change it to dapper?05:32
LaserJockumm, I think if you install the dapper debootstrap you can go straight to dapper, otherwise you need to do breezy and dist-upgrade05:33
bmonty_laptopahh05:33
LaserJockI created a dapper chroot and pbuilder today without having to update05:34
Riddellrevu added to dput.cf default.  I'm a genius05:36
bmonty_laptopoops :)05:37
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bmonty_laptopLaserJock_: did you have to do anything special to run an X app in the debootstrap?05:51
LaserJock_no, I just logged in dchroot -d and ran whatever. today I ran the new emacs and it work seemlessly05:52
Lathiatwouldnt the X sockets need to be passed in ?05:53
LaserJock_heck if I know, I just fired up emacs and it came up05:53
bmonty_laptopLathiat: I think that is the problem, it needs the .Xauthority cookie, right?05:54
LaserJockwell, I have my home mounted in the chroot and I start it with chroot -d so I think that is all you need, right?05:55
LaserJockthat would give you .Xauthority, I think ;-)05:55
bmonty_laptopLaserJock: yeah, I initially didn't want my home in the chroot....I don't think I have a choice :)05:58
LaserJockcould you just copy your .Xauthority over to your chroot?06:03
bmonty_laptopLaserJock: nah, I took the easy way and just mounted my home into the chroot06:03
bmonty_laptopI wanted to test the fix I made...not mess with chroots :)06:04
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LaserJockyeah, but chroots are better than dual booting or something like that06:04
bmonty_laptopLaserJock: definately06:04
LaserJockbmonty_laptop: BTW, I don't know if I told you already, or if you care, but I made a MOTUScience team the other day06:05
bmonty_laptopif there is a build depend on a perl lib, do you have to add that to the install depends or does $shlibs find it?06:05
bmonty_laptopLaserJock: cool, not sure if I would be much help there06:06
LaserJockI just thought I should throw it out there, no pressure though ;-)06:06
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Kyralhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ghemical/+bug/3543 <---should this be reassigned to the MOTUScience team?06:24
minghuaDoes anyone in MOTUScience use ghemical?06:25
LaserJockKyral: I'm not sure if we want to reassign just yet. I am working with the ghemical developers on that bug though06:25
LaserJockminghua: I do06:25
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minghuaMaybe we should put up a "bugs the team may be interested in" wiki page instead of assigning?06:26
minghuaor better, have a team address to subscribe the bug06:27
LaserJockazeem, who is sometimes here is the debian maintainer for ghemical. Apparently they are going to release a new version next week that might fix that bug06:27
LaserJockminghua: yeah, I'm not sure how to do that yet06:27
LaserJocklaunchpad is quite mysterious to me still06:27
Lathiati heard from bradb they are going to implement 'QA contacts'06:28
Lathiatthat you can assign to packages06:28
Lathiatso we can use that to track things like OTU06:28
Lathiatand then actually assign bugs to people06:28
Lathiatinstead of MOTU06:28
minghuaI am starting to get a feel that universe should be somehow labeled as one "QAed part" and one "Nobody really knows part" :-)06:28
minghuaLathiat: is that going to be reflected in the package description, or is it just a launchpad thing?06:30
LaserJockwell, it looks like we might be able to use "subscribe someone else" and but motuscience in.06:31
LaserJocks/but/put/06:31
Lathiatunfortunately subscriptiond oesnt do much until somethign happens to the bug06:31
Lathiatand theres no subscription list06:31
Lathiatthey need to send someone mail when you subscribe someone else to something06:31
LaserJockLathiat: that's true06:31
Lathiatand really a +subscribedbugs woudlnt go astray either06:32
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KyralLJ did you hear from the devs yet?06:34
LaserJockfor FlowDesigner?06:35
Kyralja06:35
LaserJockno, I just emailed their mailing list. I might try the devs directly if I don't hear anything soon. I don't know if it matters much. I think if we get a package built we can tell them after the fact ;-)06:36
KyralOkay06:36
KyralOh hwo the hell do I get "MOTUScience" to be a link in my Wiki06:37
LaserJockdo you have "[[FullSearch()] ] " in the code?06:37
Kyral..no06:38
LaserJockThat puts links to any wiki page with your name on it06:38
KyralOkaaay06:38
Kyralso just put that in there?06:38
LaserJock----06:39
LaserJockRelated pages:06:39
LaserJock[[FullSearch()] ] 06:39
LaserJock ^^ that is what I have06:39
KyralYah but how do I get "MOTUScience" to be a link to the MotuScience page without that (So its under my Teams)06:40
LaserJockohhh, I see what you mean now. use ["MOTUScience"] 06:41
LaserJockit doesn't recognize it as a wiki page06:41
KyralHey LJ, remind me to talk to Corey about helping with the Installation Guide06:49
LaserJockKyral: why do I have to be your daytimer? ;-)06:51
minghuaKyral: go install a calendar program :-)06:51
Kyrallol sorry07:07
KyralI'm just very absent minded sometimes07:07
LaserJockKyral: I am too, that is why it isn't good to ask me to help you remeber something ;-)07:10
bmonty_laptopnight LaserJock07:11
bmonty_laptopnight MOTUs07:12
KyralOkay I have just hit lazy central07:12
KyralI made an alias to update all 4 of my PBuilders at once07:13
LaserJocklol07:14
KyralAnd I can easily adapt it to clean all 4 at once07:15
KyralHow do I get on the DocTeam now...07:16
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LaserJockKyral: talk to rob^07:18
LaserJockKyral: but what about FlowDesigner? :)07:18
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KyralI was actually about to hit it with dh_make ;P07:19
KyralI was just saying I could help with the Install Guide ;P07:19
LaserJockyeah, actually I might be working on a packaging guide for the doc team. You might be interested in some of that too07:20
KyralYah I would :D07:21
KyralLJ I have a feeling that we will both wind up with our MOTU Licenses around the same time :D07:21
rob^that would be great07:21
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LaserJockKyral: oh, I don't know. I actually have never made a package from scratch before, just updated existing ones.07:22
rob^what exists currently as a packaging guide?07:22
KyralThe Debian New Maintainers Guide07:22
rob^ah, yeah I've read that one07:22
LaserJockwell, we have PbuilderHowto, PackagingTips, MOTUWannabeTips and maybe one or two others07:23
LaserJockbut I will be working on getting those put in better shape07:23
KyralI have to append the PBuilderHOWTO on how to make multiple ones07:24
KyralLeave it to me ;D07:24
LaserJockKyral: Yeah, I was going to ask you to do that. I think it is important for MOTUs to be able to do07:24
KyralFlowDesigner hit with DH07:24
KyralMake07:25
KyralI'm lucky this time, it uses a proper AutoConf, so DH_Make did most of the work :D07:25
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LaserJockyeah, that is nice07:25
KyralI also want to somehow bring my "Terminal for Beginners" Guide from the Forums into the Wiki07:25
Kyralhttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7388507:26
rob^Kyral, there is something like that being worked on in the wiki that you could maybe work on07:27
rob^bring all the best bits over etc..07:27
KyralWho is working on it07:27
rob^I forget the name though, something like "command line" something07:27
Kyral*thinks he should start hanging out in the docteam channel*07:27
LaserJockKyral: yeah, I started that today too :)07:28
rob^this is it I think:07:28
rob^https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommandlineHowto07:28
Kyralhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommandlineHowto07:28
rob^heh07:28
KyralI'll send the maintainer a msg through the wiki07:29
rob^np07:29
KyralWait can I?07:29
rob^see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommandlineHowto?action=info for a list of people who are working on it07:30
rob^they might have an email address, either that or just post it to the docteam mailing list07:30
Kyralyah, but tomorrow07:30
Kyralits gettin' late ;P07:31
rob^heh07:31
Kyralwhats the DocTeam channel?07:31
rob^#ubuntu-doc07:31
KyralWith that I am sleeping07:31
Kyralcya Ubunteros!07:31
rob^bye07:31
LaserJockcya Kyral07:31
Kyral(Why the hell did Mark change it from Ubuntite to Ubuntero?)07:32
rob^I dunno, they both sound odd07:33
crimsuncool, Mark uses Kubuntu07:34
KyralLJ regardless if they(FlowDevelop) respond I'll have a debpack ready tomorrow07:35
LaserJockKyral: ok, no rush, but it would be nice for us to put out something07:35
KyralLike I said its an easy package b/c it uses AutoConf07:36
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zakameafternoon all!07:49
LaserJockevening07:50
zakamewhat do you think of this: split lighttpd source as lighttpd{,ssl} for the server and lighttpd-common for config and modules, or build just a single lighttpd package plus liblighttpd-mod-* for individual modules?07:53
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zakamewb bhuvan07:56
bhuvan?07:57
crimsunzakame: the former is preferable imo07:57
zakamecrimsun: I tend to agree, I think this will also allow a couple of lighttpd servers running at the same host, assuming there's no conflict07:59
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pefhello08:14
zakamehi pef08:14
Mezanyone here (MOTU)08:22
pefyes08:23
zakamewhat's up?08:24
Mezanyone who's actually a MOT U?08:24
Mez(if you are - sorry)08:25
crimsunyes08:26
crimsunwhat's up?08:26
Mezcrimsun - private08:26
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zakamewb zyga08:27
zygazakame: morning :-)08:28
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zakamehmm I notice a some stuff in UniverseCandidates are already in Universe, among other cruft...08:35
LaserJockreally, a lot of stuff?08:38
LaserJockor just a few08:38
zakamesorry, a few actually :)08:39
zakameon others there are debian pkgs already available08:39
LaserJocknp, I woudn''t be suprised if it was a lot08:39
zakamehmm, is it just me, or is mysql.sf.net down?08:45
crimsunthe running joke is "when is foo.sf.net _not_ down?" ;-)08:46
zakamebuwahahaha08:47
pefzakame: down for me too08:50
zakamepef: hmm, I was browsing some of the UC sites, picking which one to (hopefully) work on :)08:51
minghuathe MOTU meeting time hasn't been decided yet?09:16
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minghuait's good when you are only one timezone away from Montreal though :-)09:17
zakameminghua: hehe09:17
Mezminghua, I doubt it will \sh is going to have a hell of a hangover in the morning09:18
Mezhe either drank a lot or cant hold his drink09:18
zakamehaha09:19
minghuaMez: then I can sleep well :-)09:20
schweebMez: isn't he german? I'm guessing option 209:33
Mezy option 2 ?09:34
schweebgermans are born to drink beer09:35
schweebit's their sole purpose in life09:35
Mezso you reckon he cant hold his drink ?09:35
schweeberr09:35
schweeboption 109:35
schweebI'm too tired.09:35
schweebrunning on like 4 hrs sleep in the last 48 hrs09:36
Mezwell by the looks of it09:37
Mezhe had a lot less than me09:37
Mez(I had 3 beers - 7 vodka cokes and a shooter of creme de menth and bailets09:37
Mezbut then I dont know what he drinak all night09:38
schweebso you had a fairly normal night is what you're saying :p09:39
Mez*shrugs*09:39
Mezanyways night09:39
schweebnight09:39
crimsunnight09:40
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mloskotIs there any #ubuntu-dev channel or something for developers (launchpad, bugs, etc.)?11:43
minghuamloskot: #ubuntu-devel?11:49
mloskotthanks, I'm just there ;-)11:49
minghuajust saw you :-)  sorry11:50
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Tonio_mornin'02:12
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hungerHow good is cdbs yet? Should I use that for my debs or stick with dh_make multi-binary?02:52
siretarthunger: try both and see what suits you better02:54
siretartI think it really depends on the package02:54
\shok going downstairs02:55
siretartsame to me02:55
hungersiretart: So I guess I'll stick with multibinary. cdbs is rather arcane:-)02:56
ajmitchmorning02:59
tsenghi02:59
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KyralMorning03:19
Kyral\sh when is this meeting that the topic speaks of?03:20
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zakameevening03:27
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zakamehi sladen03:33
zakameand slomo too :D03:33
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zakamewb dholbach :)03:35
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dholbachhellas :)03:36
dholbachhi zakame03:36
siretartlets make the motu meeting at 15:40 montreal time03:37
ajmitchhi dholbach, siretart03:37
siretartwe have 'universe motu' bof there03:37
siretarthuhu ajmitch03:37
zakamesiretart: ooh!03:39
jsgotangcohehe03:39
KyralHere on IRC?03:39
zakamesiretart: is the motu-meeting today?03:39
Kyraland siretart "Montreal Time" is correctly referred to as EST or GMT -503:39
sladenhi zakame03:39
jsgotangcohmmmm03:40
siretartI was rather thinking about a motu bof, we will have a 'real' motu meeting on irc were we report what we talked about03:40
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jsgotangcowere there enough motus in ubz?03:40
jsgotangcoi guess03:40
sladenk03:40
siretartsince there are quite some motus here at ubz, but we didn't hat the chance yet to talk about motu stuff, I think03:41
jsgotangcoahhh03:41
zakamehmmm03:41
hub_gah03:41
hub_this network is awful03:41
siretartyeah03:41
hub_i'm here for example03:41
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\shok...03:42
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\shwe have a scheduled time for our meeting03:42
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siretartI count at least 8 motus here at ubz03:42
sladen\sh: have you scheduled it on LP?03:42
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\shsladen: claire did03:42
siretartsladen: look on todays schedule, it is called 'universe motus'03:42
ajmitchsladen: it's on the day's schedule03:42
siretarthttp://people.ubuntu.com/~jamesh/todays-schedule.html03:43
\sh15:40 EST is what in utc?03:44
siretartI think -5h03:44
KyralSh I just said that03:44
KyralEST == UTC/GMT -5 ;P03:45
\shKyral: sry...yeah03:45
\shmeans...20:4003:45
Kyralyup03:45
KyralI think timezones should be abolished ;P03:45
siretartack!03:45
ajmitchsure, everything should be NZST03:46
siretarthrhr03:46
Kyralnah, GMT ;P03:46
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:\sh] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | REVU up again: http://revu.tauware.de | somebody please help writing up the MOTU report: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReportDraft | UBZ MOTU Meeting 2005-11-05 - Time: 20:40
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KyralYou should say GMT ;P03:46
ajmitchs/GMT/UTC/03:47
siretartwhy do we have to topic locked?03:47
Kyralwhats the difference between GMT and UTC anyway?03:47
siretartdaylight saving perhaps?03:48
ajmitchyep03:48
\shsiretart: beg chanserv for op03:48
KyralDST is evil03:48
siretart\sh: my question was rather if there has been abuse03:48
\shsiretart: -ENOCLUE03:48
KyralIts even more confusing because there is a portion of the EST timezone that doesn't use it03:48
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:\sh] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | REVU up again: http://revu.tauware.de | somebody please help writing up the MOTU report: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReportDraft | UBZ MOTU Meeting 2005-11-05 - Time: 20:40 UTC
Kyralso during that time you have 5 timezones in the contenental US03:49
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siretart\sh: please /mode -t #ubuntu-motu03:49
siretarttoo late03:49
KyralI assume the meeting is here? (In #ubuntu-motu)?03:49
tsengsiretart: it doesnt matter, there is no access03:49
siretart?03:49
siretartwell, anyway, I don't care that much..03:49
\shajmitch: did u write the last motu meeting minutes ?03:52
Mezjust to let you know I wont be attending the MOTU meeting later03:55
\shwhy not?03:56
\shbtw some infos here03:56
\shhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule03:56
\shand a short overview of the Dapper Release Process (which is discussed, but not approved right now..so only informational status)03:57
\shhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseProcess03:57
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Mez\sh: mainly because I've had a shit night, and dont feel up to anything, and mainly because apparently the MOTU team see what I do as "complete bollocks"04:00
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dholbachMez: "complete bollocks"?04:01
ogra_what makes you think this ??04:02
zakameMez: eh?!?04:02
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Mezbackports?04:04
ogra_Mez, as long as it wasnt you who created this evil stuff : http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/breezy-extras-staging/restricted/binary-i386/w32codecs_20050412+breezy0.0.1_all.deb04:04
sistpotyhi folks04:04
ogra_thats the suck, who creted that ?04:04
ogra_*created04:04
dholbachMez: talking about the whole group as one and staying away from the meeting won't change anything... atm i don't even know what the problem is04:04
Mezogra_, no... but apparently it's concensus between the MOTUs that the old and new backports are "complete bollocks"04:05
zakamedholbach: can non-MOTUs attend the meeting?04:05
dholbachsure04:05
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ogra_Mez, thats absolutely not true04:05
sistpotymeeting... did I miss s.th.?04:05
Mezogra: I believe that jdong made it from ... marillat04:05
siretartMez: thats not right. I really appreciate the existance of official backports04:05
\shMez: who said that? I can't remember to say something like this last night04:06
zakamejsgotangco: haha04:06
siretartMez: it's rather that I'm very concerned about users complaining about upgrade problems04:06
ogra_Mez, its a script that rm -rf's directorys in the postrm ....04:06
Mez\sh: well then maybe you had a bit too much to drink04:06
Mezogra_ lmao04:06
Mezyeah, the package sucks04:06
siretartMez: actually, there is quite a need for backports. but thats is more challenging than regular package and thus must be made right!04:06
Mezthink it was generated from marrilat04:07
ogra_and wgets a zipfile in the postinst.... if the url is unreachable, your packaging system is broken....04:07
\shMez: no...I only asked u if somebody care about testing the stuff and really care about the responsibilty u have04:07
Mezsiretart: I know04:07
dholbachMez: i used the new backports already, so please come off it04:07
dholbachMez: if you're annoyed or disappointed about something, try to identify it accurately and talk about it please04:07
zakamehmm, question: should REVU uploads build on dapper or still breezy?04:07
siretartbut what really pisses me off is leaving the procedures we (as in ubuntu in general) agreed on without even announcing it04:07
ogra_Mez, i totally count on you and backports for edubuntu for example, to fill all the gaps i couldnt fill in breezy04:07
Mezsiretart ... ?04:08
siretartzakame: dapper, but please see ant_1.6.2-2_all.deb04:08
siretartzakame: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/revu04:08
dholbachi have no idea, what the problem is04:08
siretartsorry04:08
zakamesiretart: ant?04:08
siretartzakame: forget ant, wrong pastebuffer04:08
zakamesiretart: ok :)04:08
Mezbut, I wont be attending anyways04:09
siretartMez: I'm not sure, but I really think to remember that we agreed that the mirrormax backports are being shut down. we was that w32codecs package for breezy created then?04:09
siretartMez: that can't be about 'staging'04:09
Mezsiretart: the backports mirror being shut down04:09
Mezand mirrormax is nothing to do with me04:09
MezI still wont be attending anyways04:10
siretartMez: I didn't say anything about you in person04:10
MezI just had a really rough night, and need some time alone04:10
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zakameMez: aww04:10
zakamewb slomo04:10
siretartMez: I was only talking about that unofficial backports04:10
Mezsiretart: you didnt say anything04:10
ogra_siretart, i think they wanted to keep extras there... as long as they dont put stuff in the wrong place (like w32codecs into restricted for example) thats fine04:11
slomohi zakame :)04:11
Mezthe other day, in the backports BoF, you came up with some good points siretart, which I've taken into consideration04:11
Mezbut, anyways, as I said04:11
siretartogra_: perhaps they should colaborate with plf04:11
MezI wont be attending04:11
siretartyour choice04:12
Meznothing against the MOTU... I'm just going through a rough patch at the moment, and need some time to get my head together04:13
jsgotangcosurely its not because of ubz04:14
dholbachMez: it might help, if the problem was more accurately described... i have no idea, what the discussion is about04:15
Mezdholbach: it's not that much of a deal at the moment04:15
Mezit was more of a "side thought"04:15
Mezas I said - I'm going through a rough spot...04:15
Mezand i just need to relax04:16
dholbachthen take your time04:16
dholbachif you have something helpful to say about "complete bollocks", we could talk about it as a group04:17
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zakamewb bmonty_laptop04:18
bmonty_laptophi zakame04:19
Mezdholbach: I'm sorry bout mentioning it - I was just a lil pissed off about something someone said last nigth04:22
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zakameKyral: buwahaha :)04:23
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zakamewhat's all this fuss about `Leonor' that I keep hearing in other channels?04:24
Kyralwho?04:25
zakamewb Tonio_04:25
Tonio_zakame: hi04:26
zakamebtw, is there a written agenda for the motu-meeting?04:27
jsgotangcoyes go nuts and get drunk after wards04:31
sistpotyping slomo04:36
zakamejsgotangco: buwahaha04:37
sistpotyzakame: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting ... but unfortunately this is outdated :(04:38
zakamesistpoty: very much indeed :(04:38
slomosistpoty: pong04:38
sistpotyslomo: I'll be doing the wiki for weird languages now04:39
sistpotyslomo: what name should we use?04:39
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sistpotyslomo: MOTUUncommonProgrammingLanguages?04:39
slomosistpoty: sounds fine :)04:40
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mloskothi all!04:40
sistpotyslomo: ok04:40
sistpotyhi mloskot04:40
mloskothighvoltage, i'm looking for Corey Burger here :-) ?04:40
mloskotsorry, i don't know his nick ;-(04:41
\shmloskot: Burgundavia04:41
mloskotthx04:41
mloskotseems his not here now04:41
\shnot in this channel...try devel or query him04:42
KyralQuick question04:42
Kyralhes in #ubuntu-doc04:42
mloskothehe, he emailed me to get to #ubuntu-motu04:42
Kyralanyway, what are we gonna do with XChat 2.6.0?04:42
mloskotKyral: np, I'm sending him a message.04:43
highvoltagemloskot: doesn't seem like he's here, currently04:46
mloskothighvoltage: yes, i see, I'm waiting for him :-)04:46
pefhow can I know names of packages automatically mass synced from Debian ?04:47
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ajmitchubuntu-changes-auto list04:47
mloskot Hi Burgundavia!04:48
siretarthey sistpoty!04:48
sistpotyhuhu siretart04:48
slomosistpoty: will you give me the urls when you're done? ;)04:49
sistpotyslomo: sure04:49
\shoh wow...it seems my life is somewhat doomed04:50
siretartFYI, I introduced a wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Transitions page04:50
bmonty_laptophow so?04:50
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\shapt-get remove old-life ; apt-get install new-life04:50
slomosiretart: wiki.ubuntu.com/Transitions was there before ;)04:50
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siretartokay, since they all seem to be done, I'd suggest remove wiki.ubuntu.com/Transitions completly04:52
siretartany objections?04:52
Mez\sh: shouldnt it be apt-get remove --purge old-life ?04:53
Mezor you'll just have bits of it hanging around04:53
\shu should never think, when you're thousands of miles away from home, that your life won't reach u04:53
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\shMez: which is the truth..04:53
Burgundaviasalut mloskot04:54
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mloskotaloha04:54
Burgundavia\sh, can do apt-get install new girlfriend as well?04:54
Kyral\sh: Wow.....that was like......wise and stuff04:54
Mez\sh: I know what you mean - hence why i had a rough night04:54
mloskotBurgundavia: does it work that way on your box? :-)04:55
\shBurgundavia: well...if apt-get install more-money-for-new-girlfriend works04:55
Burgundaviamloskot, nope04:55
Burgundavia\sh, might be troublesome04:55
mloskotBurgundavia: So, who is involved in the UbuntuGIS else?04:56
Burgundaviamloskot, ogra_04:56
\shjust received a mail and a phonecall (via my world-wide-life-vanity-number)04:56
mloskotBurgundavia: but does he have any GIS background?04:56
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\shthis message is telling me, that I inherit money04:57
mloskotzyga: nice to see you in here ;-)04:57
Burgundaviamloskot, doesn04:57
Burgundaviadon't think so04:57
Burgundaviamine is play only04:57
zygamloskot: hi :)04:57
mloskotBurgundavia: ok, so he is MOTU guru in UbuntuGIS,04:57
mloskotzyga: are you this zyga?04:58
Burgundaviayes04:58
zygamloskot: the very same04:58
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mloskotBurgundavia: So, where would you start?04:58
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mloskotzyga: i'm glad04:58
zygaI'll be back in 1/2h04:58
Burgundaviamloskot, we need to sort that giant list for usefulness04:58
mloskotBurgundavia: in what categories?04:58
Burgundaviawhatever04:59
mloskotBurgundavia: useful/not useful or something more meaningful? OK, there may be many categorization rules.04:59
Burgundaviabasically, if we need to turn Ubuntu into a first class GIS platform, what do we need?04:59
\shlooks like that I have to pay the debts of my grandma05:00
mloskotBurgundavia: I think we have 2 or 3 objectives:05:00
mloskotBurgundavia: 1) to include most famous and widely used GIS software: GRASS, MapServer, etc.05:01
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bmonty_laptop\sh: sorry for your loss05:01
Burgundaviathat work is largely done by DebianGIS05:01
mloskotBurgundavia: 2) to provide _complete_ Web Mapping environment: MapServer, GeoTools, java stuff related to webmapping and webservices, etc.05:02
\shbmonty_laptop: no...05:02
pefajmitch: not for already synced packages, but them not yet synced ? for example this afternoon I've uploaded to revu a synced version of kdissert from Debian, and with recent mass autosync this sync has be done, so my work is useless05:02
mloskotBurgundavia: 3) to provide as complete as possible (note, this subject it less developed as web mapping) environment for Desktop GIS: here GRASS is the main part, but not only, there is QGIS moving on and there are many many small tools which are worth to include to UbuntuGIS.05:03
\shbmonty_laptop: grandmother died a couple of months ago...this is not the problem...the problem is more, that you're able to inherit depts...if u can say no to it, u r lucky...but if you are 1000 miles away and u don't know anything about it...u r f'uped05:03
mloskotBurgundavia: So, certainly, we are not able to do all those 3 subjects in the same time, then we should define priorities: i.s.05:04
bmonty_laptop\sh: ah, that sucks.  must be a German thing.05:04
mloskotBurgundavia: Oh, there could be also 4) - low level development packages for GIS05:04
mloskotBurgundavia: Do you like it or...?05:04
Burgundaviasounds good05:04
Burgundaviacan you change the top of the UbuntuGIS page to reflect that?05:04
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Burgundaviathen we can look at each package within those goals and figure out what needs to be done05:05
mloskotBurgundavia: OK, as a first step I will sort the list according to those 3-4 criterions.05:05
Burgundaviamloskot, Thanks!05:05
mloskotBurgundavia: Yes, then we will be able to prioritize pacakges incside those groups.05:05
Burgundaviafell free to add anything you find05:05
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mloskotBurgundavia: ok, I will try to consult with my friend - web mapping guru to.05:05
mloskotBurgundavia: So, I thikn that's enough at the moment. I will try to fix this list tonight.05:06
mloskotOK?05:06
Burgundaviaanytime is great05:06
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Burgundaviait has languished long enough05:06
Burgundaviaogra_, we have another UbuntuGIS person!05:07
mloskotHi ogra05:07
Kyralhey oliver05:07
ogra_Burgundavia, saw it05:09
ogra_:)05:09
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=== tseng wonders why acpi says my cpu is 77C and bios says 48
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zygatseng: dont trust either, powerdown, remove the cooler and check05:29
tsengyeah i am not in the mood to remove the cooler05:29
tsengbut the fins are completely cool05:29
zygatseng: what cpu are you using?05:30
tsengp4 2.005:30
zygatseng: I'd vote for 7705:30
zygap4 are hot05:30
MithrandirI'd vote for MAXINT+7705:31
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Mithrandirit's probably overflowed.05:32
Lathiattseng: one of them may have the sensors confused05:32
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tsengmaybe i can test the temparature of the bare cpu by cauterizing this cut on my finger05:34
zygatseng: you could touch the other side of the mobo05:35
zygatseng: if it's around 77 you'll know for sure05:35
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mloskotsee you later05:48
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sistpotyslomo: first draft: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUUncommonProgrammingLanguages05:52
sistpotyslomo: I've just finished haskell subpage and will be moving on to scheme now05:53
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slomosistpoty: what about sml? :)05:59
sistpotyslomo: never heard of it ;)06:00
sistpotys.th. like caml?06:01
sistpotyslomo: this is just a draft yet... let's try to collect as much as possible ;)06:01
slomosistpoty: almost the same as caml afaik... sml = standard ml... and caml is what?06:02
sistpotyslomo: don't know exatly what ca stands for *g*... but mld0nkey is written in it... (ocaml to be precise, which features oop)06:03
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slomosistpoty: ca = university of california or something similar? ;)06:06
sistpotymaybe even that ;)06:06
Mezcertificication authority ?06:20
sistpotyMez: i doubt it is, since this is the name of programming language... but ocaml is that weird that even this might be possible *g*06:22
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siretartsistpoty: great job for the UncommonLanguages wiki pages!06:24
sistpotysiretart: thx... actually there is still much to do06:24
siretartabsolutly06:25
sistpoty(i only know a few bits bout haskell)06:25
siretartbut it helps fresh blood to know whats going on and being able to start helping!06:25
sistpotyit sure does... and apart from that i'd like to keep links to packaging related stuff on it06:25
sistpotywhich is really uneasy to find, if you don't know it exists (like the haskell guide, which i didn't know of for a very long time *g*)06:26
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Mezsistpoty, :P06:31
bmonty_laptopsistpoty: nice wiki pages!06:32
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sistpotybmonty_laptop: thx06:35
ivokshi06:35
bmonty_laptophey ivoks06:35
ivoksi found out today that gdm is useless with ldap users06:36
ivoksi have to use kdm :/06:37
bmonty_laptopit doesn't use nsswitch?06:37
ivoksit does06:37
ivoksit contacts ldap06:37
ivoksgets everything06:38
ivoksand then freezes06:38
ivoksit's a known bug :(06:38
bmonty_laptophmm, good to know since I am trying to do that06:38
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ivoksbut guys at gnome are sure that it isn't gdm's fault06:38
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bmonty_laptoponce I get ldap working correctly that is :)06:38
tsengit works fine with pam_krb5 :)06:38
ivoks:)06:38
bmonty_laptoptseng: good06:39
ivokstseng: how hard it is to setup kerberos env?06:39
bmonty_laptopI though that with pam the apps shouldn't care06:39
ivoksbmonty_laptop: me too, but you see all work except gdm :)06:39
tsengivoks: depends06:39
tsengivoks: the server is not that fun, and kind of weird06:39
tsengthe client is easy06:39
tsengif you already have a windows domain controler06:39
ivoksclients are allways easy :)06:40
ivoksi don't06:40
tsengyou basically just throw a few lines in pam.d and krb5.conf06:40
tsengand you are set06:40
tsengsetting up your own domain is weirder06:40
ivoksbut, i'll leave it on ldaps for now...06:40
tsengthere are ok howtos06:40
tsengits not scary06:40
ivoksi'll have to try it once...06:40
ivoksi did install from scratch today on 20 machines06:41
tsengits not any weirder than ldap :)06:41
ivoksi did 40 yesterday06:41
ivokswith linux, stuff like this are painless :)06:41
ivoksinstall with netboot and kickstart06:41
ivokslogin, download script, run it and wait... :)06:42
tsengi cant find any real guides on ubuntu kickstart anywhere06:42
ivokshuh?06:42
ivokstseng: i can help you06:42
ivoksit's too easy to write a howto for it :)06:42
tsengwhiprush gave me some scripts from redhat as an example06:42
ivokstseng: well, you have tool for that :)06:42
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sistpotycya06:42
ivokssistpoty: enjoy06:42
sistpotythx06:43
tsengivoks: ok, i will remember to ask you about it next week06:43
tsengi have 7 more servers to do, i already did 506:44
ivokstseng: install system-config-kickstart06:44
tsenghm it is broken in dapper :)06:45
ivoksah, dapper :)06:46
tsengbreezy at work06:46
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Gloubiboulgahello universe07:00
bmonty_laptophi Gloubiboulga07:06
hub_casimir ?!!!07:09
Gloubiboulganot exactly07:09
hub_ah07:09
Gloubiboulgajust his favorite food07:10
hub_yeah I know07:10
GloubiboulgaI'm working on some packages07:11
Gloubiboulgawhat should I do to include them in universe repositories ?07:11
dholbachGloubiboulga: wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU knows it all :)07:12
Gloubiboulgayep dholbach, I've seen this pages...07:12
dholbachok07:12
Gloubiboulgabut I have to submit some packages before07:12
Gloubiboulgai sent you an e-mail last week about this dholbach07:13
dholbachGloubiboulga: about what specifically?07:13
GloubiboulgaHow to contribute07:13
dholbachGloubiboulga: before what? which packages?07:13
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Gloubiboulga:)07:13
GloubiboulgaI explain :07:14
GloubiboulgaI'd like to contribute to motu, but I won't get upload rights if nobody knows how I work07:15
dholbachyou upload something to REVU07:15
dholbachand somebody will review it07:15
Gloubiboulgaso I guess admin can test the package I've made07:15
dholbachyou only need a gpg key, which you can create youtself07:15
dholbacheverybody can test it07:15
Gloubiboulgaok07:15
siretartGloubiboulga: what packages do you work on?07:16
schweebsup dholbach07:16
Gloubiboulgamftrace, denemo07:16
dholbachschweeb: how are you?07:17
Gloubiboulgalilypond (but it's harder)07:17
schweebdholbach: busy trying to pay off school loans :( stupid websites are all broken07:17
dholbach:/07:18
dholbachi see07:18
hub_Gloubiboulga: if the package is already in debian, just ask to have it synced.07:18
schweebbut I got the whole membership thing all cleared up!  it actually says I'm a member in launchpad now :)07:18
Gloubiboulgaok hub_07:19
\shoh wow...07:19
hub_hey \sh07:20
schweeb\sh: oh wow to what?07:20
\shjust found out how much money I have to pay07:21
schweebah, heh07:21
schweebI've spend no less than $1000 today :P07:21
schweeb*spent07:21
schweeband I'm about to go look at some furniture07:22
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\shthe debts of my grandmother are around 10k eur....so a monthly payment of 200 eur will break my life07:23
\shhey hub07:23
schweebick07:23
\shhub: thx again for your invitation yesterday :)07:23
schweebwhat's the exchange rate... is it about 1 eur ~= 1.6 USD?07:23
\shsomething like this07:24
hub\sh: you're welcome07:24
hubschweeb: no. that is the rate for CAN$07:25
\shor I have to try to do more nightshifts but this won't happen because the company will decrease all extra payments07:26
hubEUR is 1.18USD07:26
schweeb1 CAD ~= .75 USD....  it's changed some, but that was the old rule of thumb...07:26
hubEUR is 1.4 CAD07:27
hubit was 1.6 earlier07:27
hub1 CAD = .84 USD today07:27
schweebmaybe it's pounds I'm thinking of then07:27
hubdon't think07:28
hubuse a converter07:28
hub:-)07:28
schweebtrying to find one07:28
hubhttp://finance.yahoo.com/currency/convert?amt=1&from=CAD&to=USD&submit=Convert07:28
\shwell...07:28
hubthat is the one i use07:28
schweebhub: I would have been there in about 10 more seconds07:29
schweebah, apparently the Euro is less than the USD right now07:30
schweebhub: no, I was about right, the 1 GBP = 1.74 USD07:31
hubschweeb: no. the EUR is more that the USD07:32
hub1 EUR is 1.18 USD07:33
hubit has been for quite some time07:33
LaserJockman, this conversation would be a lot shorter if everything was in USD, but then I'm American so that would make sense to me ;-)07:34
schweebLaserJock: indeed07:34
schweebI just put that conversion in different07:34
schweeber the opposite direction07:34
schweebmy brain is on vacation for the month07:34
schweebwhich is bad, because it's early in the month yet07:35
LaserJockyeah, I hate unit conversion, and I'm a chemist so I should be good at it :(07:35
schweebheh, one of my buddies is a chemist too, works for Dow07:35
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bmonty_laptophey LaserJock07:43
LaserJockhi bmonty_laptop07:44
LaserJockbmonty_laptop: looks like you've been doing some Malone work07:45
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bmonty_laptopLaserJock: yeah, only two packages though07:46
LaserJockwell, but you had 1/3 of the latest ubuntu-bugs digest I got ;-)07:47
bmonty_laptopheh....malone likes to generate a lot of emails :)07:48
LaserJockwell, today I attempt to make my first package from scratch07:53
bmonty_laptopthat sounds fun07:54
bmonty_laptopwhat are you packaging?07:55
LaserJockI feel bad because I am the MOTUScience "leader" and apparently in charge of a Packaging Guide for the doc team and I have never made a package from scratch before :(07:55
LaserJockIt's called plotdrop07:55
LaserJockhttp://icculus.org/~jcspray/plotdrop/07:56
bmonty_laptopnice...icculus always seems to have nice useful apps07:56
LaserJockwell, it's small, which is nice, and I think it won't give me too much trouble07:57
tritiumLaserJock, there's already an ubuntu .deb on that page.  Should be trivial to modify for breezy07:58
bmonty_laptopwhy not dapper?07:59
tritiumthat's what I meant08:00
LaserJockyeah, but it was made using checkinstall08:00
LaserJockI am going to try it from scratch08:00
tritiumah, that would be better08:01
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:\sh] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | REVU up again: http://revu.tauware.de | somebody please help writing up the MOTU report: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReportDraft | UBZ MOTU Meeting 2005-11-05 - Time: 21:40 UTC
LaserJockmy other excuse is that I haven't used REVU before and I would like to check it out08:04
\shwho ever told me it's 20:40 ... it's 21:40 UTC08:05
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bmonty_laptopREVU is fun :)08:05
\shok..and now I need some cigarettes...means cash machine frst08:06
\shlaters08:06
KyralRetsamJeez \sh....08:06
KyralRetsamchange the time  ;P08:06
KyralRetsamoh, TWO OF ME!!! Coool....no one kill the ghost08:06
KyralRetsamOh LaserJock, want me to add myself to the people working on the packaging guide?08:07
LaserJockKyralRetsam: you can if you want, I guess. I need to get it from Unfrgiven before we can do anything08:08
KyralRetsamokay08:08
KyralRetsambtw Kyral == KyralRetsam08:09
KyralRetsamI just logged in from the lab08:09
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LaserJockI saw that, itl-lab-3.sclab.clarkson.edu08:09
KyralRetsamI should have a basic debpack for FlowDevelop today, if I can remember how to make a package binary indep08:09
LaserJockcool08:10
KyralRetsamI forgot what to change in debian/control08:10
bmonty_laptopKyralRetsam: Architecture: any08:11
KyralRetsamty08:12
bmonty_laptopsorry that should be Architecture: all08:12
bmonty_laptophttp://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Architecture08:12
KyralRetsamYah as soon as I get the build deps worked out I should be golden :D08:13
LaserJockso is all preferable?08:13
KyralRetsamyah for source uploads08:14
LaserJockwhen would you use any? when it had arch dependent stuff?08:14
KyralRetsamI dunno08:14
KyralRetsambut dh helpers complain a bit08:15
KyralRetsamie, it won't upload the original sourceball08:15
bmonty_laptopLaserJock: I've used it to exclude 64-bit archs08:15
KyralRetsamAnyone with 64-bit arches here?08:15
KyralRetsamLaserJock, I suggest we create a MOTUScience channel08:16
LaserJockKyralRetsam: IMO I don't think we are there yet, maybe when people get back from UBZ and we are creating too much noise here08:17
KyralRetsamlol08:17
KyralRetsamPutting the package in the "Science" section08:17
slomoany creates packages for all archs, all creates one package for all archs08:17
slomoand you use all when it only contains arch-indep stuff... otherwise any08:17
KyralRetsamumkay08:17
KyralRetsamokay08:17
KyralRetsamso until it breaks on PPC or AMD64, use any :D08:17
slomohm?08:18
KyralRetsamas arch ;P08:18
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slomodoesn't matter if it breaks or not... use all when stuff built on one arch is usable on all archs... i.e. for plain python/mono stuff, documentation, scripts, etc08:20
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slomoand any for stuff that creates native binaries08:20
KyralRetsamah08:20
LaserJockslomo: makes sense to me. Thanks for clearing that up08:21
KyralRetsamokay.....what packages provides the GTK devfiles...08:21
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KyralRetsamand the GNOME stuff08:21
slomolibgtk2.0-dev / libgtk-dev08:21
slomoand what gnome stuff?08:21
KyralRetsamSays it needs "Standard GNOME-2 dependencies"08:21
slomohum08:21
slomovery precise =)08:22
KyralRetsamno kiddin' ;P08:22
slomodoes this package use autotools?08:22
KyralRetsamyah, THANK GOD08:22
slomolook at configure.ac / configure.in for the actual dependencies ;)08:22
slomoyou'll get the minimal version by that too08:22
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LaserJockKyralRetsam: what do you have for Section in your control file?08:23
KyralRetsamscience08:23
hubnetwork manage in dapper is broken08:23
LaserJockKyralRetsam: I don't think that is right08:24
KyralRetsamOkay, tell me what is right ;P08:25
slomowhat does this package do?08:27
LaserJock FlowDesigner is a free (GPL/LGPL) data-flow oriented development environment08:27
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KyralRetsamIs this a multiple binary package?08:28
KyralRetsamI'm running finddeps and it looks like it...08:28
LaserJockKyralRetsam: well you at least need to have universe/science . I think that is what we want after all08:30
KyralRetsamk08:31
KyralRetsamGTK+ is....08:31
KyralRetsamlibgtk+?08:31
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slomolibgtk2.0-dev08:32
slomoand put it under section dev08:32
KyralRetsamuniverse/dev?08:32
slomono need to put universe/ there08:32
slomooh wait...08:33
bmonty_laptopif the current version number is 0.9.50-2build1 and I upgrade is 0.9.80-0ubuntu1 correct?08:33
slomowhat exactly is meant with data-flow oriented dev environment?08:33
slomowhat kind of dev? ;;)08:33
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slomobmonty_laptop: yes and be sure you don't touch the tarball08:33
KyralRetsamNow which fftw-dev do I use?08:34
KyralRetsamfftw-dev or fftw3-dev08:34
bmonty_laptopslomo: I had to modify the upstream tarball to get rid of some CVS files08:34
slomobmonty_laptop: leave them08:34
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bmonty_laptopslomo: ok, well the files in REVU have the CVS files in them08:35
bmonty_laptopI was removing them to fix that lintian warning08:35
LaserJockslomo: I can't explain it very well. http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=112308:35
slomobmonty_laptop: hmm... hmmm... talk to the debian maintainer... it will make syncs unnecessary hard if we or he changes the tarball ;)08:36
KyralRetsamI'm gonna take "Standard GNOME2 Deps" to mean libgnome2-dev08:36
bmonty_laptopslomo: ok08:37
slomoKyralRetsam: look at configure.{ac,in} and try to build it in pbuilder... when it builds fine there you have all deps ;)08:37
KyralRetsamyah I will08:38
KyralRetsamits what I intend to do08:38
slomobmonty_laptop: or you could take care of the package for the remaining 0.9.80-line and change the tarball as much as you want ;)08:38
slomoKyralRetsam, LaserJock: section dev seems ok08:38
slomoand for fftw... try which one is needed08:39
LaserJockKyralRetsam: try http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/411508:39
KyralRetsamI tried that ;P08:39
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LaserJockslomo: yes, I just overlooked the Development section. That is where I wanted it. Thanks08:40
bmonty_laptopslomo: the issue is if the debian maintainers upgrade and change the original source tarball will create diff problems, right?08:41
bmonty_laptopdoes it make more sense to give the upgraded package to the debian maintainers and then sync it in?08:41
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LaserJockhi azeem!08:43
KyralRetsamNow for the changelog entry08:43
KyralRetsamwhat command do I want?08:43
KyralRetsamdch -v?08:43
azeemLaserJock: hi08:43
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bmonty_laptopazeem: only uploaded to REVU08:44
bmonty_laptoppackage is gphpedit08:44
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\shhttp;//wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting08:47
\shplease read the agenda points and add more if you want08:48
KyralRetsam\sh08:49
KyralRetsams/;/:08:49
\shKyralRetsam: ?08:51
KyralRetsamthe link08:51
KyralRetsamyou put a ; where a : should be ;P08:52
\shKyralRetsam: argl08:52
KyralRetsamI'm in a coding mood so I pick up on syntax errors ;P08:52
KyralRetsamFlowDesigner is building in my Dapper PBuilder as we speak08:53
KyralRetsamI'll check it against Breezy, Sid, and Sarge08:53
\shKyralRetsam: good to hear...u will have a lot of coding to do for dapper...in a short timeframe :)08:53
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KyralRetsamSIR YES SIR! *hehe*08:54
KyralRetsamLaserJock, have you heard fomr the developers yet?08:54
LaserJockKyralRetsam: nope08:54
blueyedI'd like to add the "recent" module to iptables. Is it available through apt/dpkg?08:55
KyralRetsamI think you have to recompile the kernel08:55
LaserJockKyralRetsam: I am going to email the main author directly instead of the mailing list08:55
KyralRetsamIPTables is integrated into the kernel right?08:55
KyralRetsamLaserJock, if these build you can attach the debpacks directly ;P08:56
LaserJock? In the email?08:56
KyralRetsamYah08:57
LaserJockyeah, ok. I will wait for you to do that08:57
KyralRetsamKeep in mind if these work, I still have to clean up debian/08:57
KyralRetsamI didn't run Lintian against it08:57
KyralRetsamthis run is to just make sure I got build-deps and whatnot right08:58
KyralRetsamso \sh this meeting is at 4:40 PM EST?09:01
\shKyral, 15:40 montreal time...which is 21:40 UTC09:02
\shit's 6 hours09:02
farruinnoh right, now that we're on "daylight savings"09:02
\shyeah :)09:03
farruinn\sh: are you still in montreal?09:03
\shfarruinn, jepp....tomorrow evening we're leaving09:03
KyralRetsamyah farruinn and I are actually like 4 feet from each other right now ;P09:03
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KyralRetsamwhee!!09:06
KyralRetsamI actually have this screen on a projector so the entire PNYTeam can view the meeting ;P09:06
=== bmonty_laptop has some evil thoughts
KyralRetsamyes....?09:08
KyralRetsamkeep in mind that my other ghost is here as well ;P09:08
KyralRetsamdang this thing is taking a while to compile09:09
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slomoKyralRetsam: how is the progress with your package? :)09:13
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KyralRetsammake[2] : *** No rule to make target `all'.  Stop09:13
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slomonice ;)09:13
KyralRetsamWhy do I think that has to do with my Arch setting?09:13
slomodoes it work when compiling by hand?09:13
slomohi ivoks :)09:13
ivokshi09:14
ivoksi'm building xen :)09:14
slomoKyralRetsam: no idea... can't be caused by that unless you've done something completly wrong ;)09:14
slomoivoks: :) will you work on good xen integration into dapper? :P09:14
ivoksslomo: i doubt that...09:15
ivoksslomo: but if help is needed...09:15
ivoksThe GNOME interface is going to become the default interface on both the SLES (SuSE Linux Enterprise Server) and Novell Linux Desktop line.09:15
ivokshehe09:16
slomothe GNOME interface for what? or GNOME itself as default desktop enviromnent?09:16
ivoksas desktop and for their tools09:16
ivoks(novell's)09:17
slomogreat news :)09:17
bmonty_laptopivoks: can you use Xen to run breezy and dapper?09:17
hungerslomo: I just hacked up some xen debs:-)09:17
KyralRetsamXen is sexy09:18
ivoksbmonty_laptop: i intend to use it for RHEL AS 409:18
ivoksdid anyone tried flock?09:18
slomohunger: nice :) will you upload them somewhere?09:19
KyralRetsamhmm is there anyway to tell if a package is going to produce multiple binaries?09:19
hungerslomo: I do not have webspace. I'll upload them if I find some space to do so.09:20
LaserJockKyralRetsam: have you built from the tarball?09:20
ivokshunger: i have space09:20
KyralRetsamLaserJock, I'm doing that now09:20
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KyralRetsamno pbuilder ;P09:20
KyralRetsamFlowDesigner will be built on a i686-pc-linux-gnu system to run09:20
KyralRetsamon a i686-pc-linux-gnu system, with the following options:09:20
KyralRetsamFlowDesigner will build audio_blocks toolkit09:20
KyralRetsamFlowDesigner will build effects toolkit09:20
KyralRetsamFlowDesigner will build NNet toolkit09:20
KyralRetsamFlowDesigner will build HMM toolkit09:20
KyralRetsamFlowDesigner will build VQ toolkit09:20
KyralRetsamFlowDesigner will build FuzzyEngine toolkit09:21
KyralRetsamFlowDesigner will build vflow toolkit09:21
KyralRetsamI apologize for the paste09:21
hungerivoks: Cool:-) I just started on them today (and these are my first debs, so they will suck).09:21
slomoKyralRetsam: multiple binary packages... hmm... look at my faad2 package for example =)09:21
ivoksuh :)09:21
hungerivoks: I'll send them your way once lintian likes them;-)09:21
ivoksuh :)09:21
KyralRetsamwell, that LOOKS like it will produce multiple debs09:21
slomohunger: did you base them on the "official" ones from the xen hp? (iirc there were some)09:21
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hungerslomo: I tried to reuse those from xenophobia.09:22
ivokswe need xen in kernel09:23
hungerslomo: But I wanted to try cdbs, so I rewrote almost everything.09:23
ivoksthat way i wouldn't have to kill my 20 days uptime on laptop :)09:23
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hungerivoks: ... and the glibc patch for TLS if it is not already there.09:23
magnondholbach <309:23
bmonty_laptopivoks: would you mind taking a look at the debdiff on #3082 and uploading if it is ok?09:24
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ivoksbmonty_laptop: i'll hit bugs and uploads as soon as UBZ finishes09:24
slomobmonty_laptop: give me the url and i'll take a look09:24
ivoksbmonty_laptop: when i get feedback on some desicions09:24
bmonty_laptophttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/debian-helper-scripts/+bug/308209:25
bmonty_laptopslomo: I sent an email to the debian maintainers for gphpedit09:25
slomobmonty_laptop: looks fine... i'll upload it after a deeper look in a few minutes09:26
hungerHow do I find out what actually made it into the debs I created?09:26
bmonty_laptopslomo: k, thanks....it was a simple fix09:26
slomoyes09:26
bmonty_laptophunger: use debdiff09:26
bmonty_laptopor dpkg-deb -c09:26
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hungerbmonty_laptop: Ah... that's it. I have been trying deb-dpkg :-)09:29
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dholbachmagnon: :)09:30
LaserJockin a copyright file, do I need a year?09:30
slomoyes09:31
slomobmonty_laptop: uploaded09:31
LaserJockwhat year do I use? I mean where would I find that info? Do I just use 2005?09:31
slomoLaserJock: it should be written somewhere in the sources... normally you'll find something like "Copyright (c) year, years name"09:32
LaserJockslomo: well what if that info isn't there?09:33
hungerArrg! xen's build system SUCKS!09:33
ivoks?09:33
ivoksit rocks09:33
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slomoLaserJock: run away an cry ;)09:34
hungerivoks: Each tool subdir uses a differnt rule-name to build stuff.09:34
slomoLaserJock: or leave the year out09:35
KyralRetsam5 minutes to meeting!09:35
LaserJockslomo: hmm, the COPYING file in the source is just a copy of the GPL09:35
slomoLaserJock: look at the actual sourcefiles09:36
ivokssee you... bye09:36
LaserJockslomo: they say, look at the COPYING file09:37
bmonty_laptopslomo: thanks09:37
slomoLaserJock: who is they?09:37
LaserJockslomo: the sourcefiles09:38
slomoLaserJock: nice ;) then leave the year out...09:38
KyralRetsamLaserJock, what are you working on?09:38
hubdholbach: when is the MOTU BOF?09:39
LaserJockKyralRetsam: plotdrop. it is on gnomefiles too09:39
KyralRetsamcool09:39
dholbachhub: should be now or something09:39
KyralRetsamanother package for MOTUScience!09:39
KyralRetsamWe should run through GNOMEFiles on recon soon09:39
hubdholbach: 'cause I'm waiting after magnon to come bac09:39
LaserJockKyralRetsam: that is why I put it on the MOTUScience wiki ;-)09:40
magnonmotu is now yeah09:40
hubdholbach: where is it?09:40
KyralRetsamhere09:41
KyralRetsamI thnk09:41
magnonwhere the hell is here09:41
hubhere09:41
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magnonno, the BOF09:41
magnonsiretart: joining the motu bof?09:41
magnondholbach: where!=09:41
ajmitchmagnon: we're in the main room, not sure if we're moving09:41
\shok09:41
\shwe're joining #buntu-meeting ?09:42
KyralRetsamso the IRC Meeting is gonna happen at the same time as the BOF or am I just very confused09:42
magnonI can't see you09:42
\shyes09:42
KyralRetsamso here?09:42
KyralRetsamor #ubuntu-meeting?09:42
\shubuntu meeting09:42
\shmagnon: #ubuntu-meeting09:43
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hungerI think I am too stupid for cdbs. I'll better redo this in a more conventional way.09:44
KyralRetsamdoes "any" in Arch entry have to be capitialized?09:45
MithrandirKyralRetsam: no, it should not be.09:45
KyralRetsamokay...09:45
magnonUbuntu MOTU meeting => #ubuntu-meeting09:46
hungerHow do I do conffiles in multi binary environments?09:46
crimsuntritium: ping, #ubuntu-meeting09:46
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tritiumthanks, crimsun09:47
zakamehello all09:47
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\sh#buntu-meeting if u want to attend the meeting09:47
koke#ubuntu-meeting ;)09:49
KyralRetsamshould I make FlowDesigner Arch: any or Arch: all09:50
LaserJockKyralRetsam: from what I understand, you want any09:52
KyralRetsamyah09:52
zakameKyralRetsam: Arch: all is for those architecture-independent types of programs :)09:53
KyralRetsamwhich mean.....09:53
zakameif a package involves some gcc compiling, then it's most likely an arch: any package09:54
KyralRetsamYah....its GCC :P09:54
LaserJockones, like python that are arch independent. C/C++ progs on the other hand will make arch dependent binarys09:54
tritiumcrimsun, normally, nothing takes me away from N.D. football, but I'll make an exception today ;)09:54
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KyralRetsamso arch any or arch all09:54
crimsunit is impossible to tell who's saying what at the bof, which is unfortunate09:57
KyralRetsamso if it uses GCC, then make it Arch: Any?09:57
LaserJockKyralRetsam: that is what I think09:58
KyralRetsamkk09:58
zakameKyral: yep09:58
KyralRetsamit compiles clean outta the tarball09:58
hungerHmmm... how do I move files from one deb into another during build?09:59
crimsundh_movefiles09:59
KyralRetsamWow...this is as clear as mud10:03
zakamehaha10:03
LaserJockno kidding10:03
crimsunessentially the issue is that we have a ton of packages to handle via merge10:03
KyralRetsamUmm, guys at UBZ, like10:04
KyralRetsammake a meeting to summerize the MOTUBof10:04
KyralRetsambecause this is really really making no sense ;P10:04
crimsunwe want to reduce that number of merged packages by pushing changes upstream (at least to Debian if not upstream upstream)10:04
zakamecrimsun: yep, more than 15k I believe?10:04
crimsunthat way we convert those merges to simple syncs from Debian10:04
crimsun(a merge being a Ubuntu-specific change, i.e., any package with -XubuntuY versioning)10:05
KyralRetsamthey are called debdiffs ;P10:05
crimsundebdiffs are more general, since they can be used in any situation10:06
KyralRetsamoh you want a solution for Ubuntu to Debian things10:06
bmonty_laptopcrimsun: so the main idea is to get debain maintainers to accept our fixes and then sync them into ubuntu?10:06
KyralRetsams/ubuntu/debian?10:07
crimsunbmonty_laptop: partly, yes10:07
slomowasn't there this utnubu project which wanted to get ubuntu changes back into debian?10:07
slomodid they silently die?10:07
zakamehmmm, that would somewhat require us to get patches up to debian's bts10:07
magnonyou guys should talk in #ubuntu-meeting if you have comments to our agenda and discussion10:07
crimsunI'm just clarifying the situation, since there was confusion.10:07
KyralRetsamsomeone channel this into that10:07
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KyralRetsamhmm10:10
KyralRetsamit compiles clean from tarball10:10
KyralRetsambut not in pbuilder10:10
zakameKyralRetsam: prolly missing dep?10:10
KyralRetsamno10:10
KyralRetsamits complaining about a makerule10:10
zakameKyralRetsam: what's the rule?10:12
KyralRetsamno rule to make target "all"10:13
zakamein what directory did this happen?10:13
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KyralRetsamvflow10:14
tritiumWhat's this UVF I keep seeing?10:14
zakameupstream version freeze10:14
tritiumah10:14
KyralRetsamIt doesn't even look like ./configure is being run10:18
zakamehmm, isn't that supposed to be in your debian/rules?10:18
KyralRetsamyah...10:18
KyralRetsamand it looks like it too10:19
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KyralRetsamyanno I'm gonna start over right now :P10:27
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magnonok10:47
magnonMOTU dinner in montreal10:47
magnoneveryone's welcome10:47
magnon:D10:47
crimsunyeah, let me just strap on my jet shoes10:47
KyralRetsamWill you drive me?10:47
zakameeat for us ;)10:47
magnonI'm in montreal already, sorry10:47
slomomagnon: will you get a flight ticket for me? ;)10:48
KyralRetsamdamn you to hell!10:48
magnonmm, I just have enough to pay the hotel, sorry10:48
KyralRetsamnaywy time to get outta dodge10:48
\shsladen: we have to sign keys10:48
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zakamehmm is revu down?11:09
bmonty_laptopworks for me11:09
zakameoh, yes, its up, damn dialup lag :(11:10
zakameseems that many reviewers are busy, my upload hasn't been reviewed yet :(11:11
hungerAny idea why dpatch might fail? patch -p1 works.11:22
hungerdpatch says the patch was rejected and creates a .rej for the file I want patched.11:22
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crimsunerr11:23
crimsundid you dpatchify the diff?11:23
zakameis the file involved changed during prebuild, before dpatching?11:23
hungercrimsun: Yes. the unchanged thing works.11:24
hungerzakame: this is the one and only patch that gets applied.11:24
crimsunmust be changed during clean or something, as zakame alluded to11:24
crimsunand you're in the top-level of the source, I presume?11:24
hungerzakame: The file is in exactly the state I want it to be (unpatched). When calling dpatch apply-all it fails.11:24
zakamehub: what does the .rej look like?11:26
hubzakame: ?11:27
hubzs11:27
hubzakame: you mean hunger?11:27
zakamehub: oops, I meant hunger, sorry :)11:27
zakamehunger: : what does the .rej look like?11:27
hungerzakame: i do not see anything strange in it.11:27
siretartzakame: hardly, I'm via ssh on tiber11:28
zakamesiretart: ???11:28
zakamehunger: can you apply the .rej manually, as in hunk by hunk?11:28
hungerzakame: I think so...11:29
\shsiretart: i don't have a mail from u11:29
siretart\sh: 2005-11-05 22:59:49 1EYW4d-00066t-Ux => sh@linux-server.org R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp H=mail.linux-server.org [80.237.233.3]  X=TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:3211:30
siretart\sh: ?11:30
siretartzakame: you said tiber was down11:30
\shsiretart: argl...sh@sourcecode.de11:30
\shnow i have to setup my account for sh@linux-server.org11:31
zakamesiretart: yes, i did, but it was my connection acting up, sorry11:31
siretart\sh: shall I resend the mail?11:31
\shsiretart: would be nice :)11:32
zakamehunger: hmmm, maybe your dpatch is not patching to the right file...11:33
hungerzakame: I somehow messed up the patch.11:33
hungerzakame: I recreated the dpatch. Now it works. I can not see any diff, but something did go wrong with the last conversion.11:36
zakamehunger: wtg :D11:36
bmonty_laptopcan someone help with some questions on ongoing-merge?11:38
bmonty_laptophttp://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/liblockfile-simple-perl/11:39
bmonty_laptopclear11:39
slomois MoM running again? and does it fill bugreports? ;)11:39
bmonty_laptopnot sure11:40
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bmonty_laptopi'm confused because the merge page seems to show that there is an ubuntu version of the latest from debian, but it doesn't appear to be in the archive11:41
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siretart\sh: now you should have it11:42
\shsiretart: yeppp11:43
\shthx11:43
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_thierrywhere do we post the patchs for the packages https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseDesktopFileAbsolutePath11:53
_thierry?11:53
crimsun_thierry: malone11:53
crimsunI'm around doing fixing, so I'll look if you give me a bug #11:53
crimsunbmonty_laptop: archive only has 0.2.5-4ubuntu111:54
_thierrycrimsun : ok but are the bugs already open, or do I need to open one for each package?11:54
crimsunbmonty_laptop: where's the discrepancy?11:54
crimsun_thierry: no need to open new ones, just give me a debdiff11:54
_thierrycrimsun : by e-mail?11:54
crimsun_thierry: posted on the Web is best so that I can wget11:55
crimsun_thierry: otherwise, an e-mail attachment suffices11:55
_thierrycrimsun : well I don't have web site but if you can give me somewhere to post on... otherwise, what is your e-mail adress?11:57
crimsun_thierry: crimsun at fungus dot sh dot nu11:57
_thierrycrimsun : k thanks11:58

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