[12:05] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I was.. :)
[12:06] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I was just wondering if you were too busy, I thought I might volunteer to help
[12:07] <ajmitch> I was busy, getting to UBZ & all
[12:08] <LaserJock> that is what I thought
[12:33] <keyes> hello
[12:33] <LaserJock> can I get somebody's opinion on a licences?
[12:33] <\sh> LaserJock: yeah...elmos :)
[12:33] <keyes> Is Opera included in Multiverse?
[12:34] <LaserJock> \sh: lol, but could you look at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4084 real quick?
[12:35] <hub_> LaserJock: looks like plain GPL
[12:35] <\sh> LaserJock: oh ok....elmo is just around here...I'll ask him straight away....
[12:35] <\sh> hub_: na its not
[12:35] <hub_> LaserJock: I mean LGPL
[12:35] <hub_> linking against a GPL library
[12:36] <LaserJock> well, I have no licensing experience. Is that OK? I wasn't quite sure what they were saying
[12:36] <\sh> LaserJock: ok...approved...it just repeats the gpl
[12:36] <\sh> LaserJock: elmo had a look and I trust him
[12:37] <LaserJock> ok, good
[12:37] <hub_> LaserJock: the thing is that it warns about the fact that it links against GPL which prevent writing proprietary module
[12:38] <\sh> hub_: we need to sign keys
[12:38] <LaserJock> ok, so as long as we did everything GPL/LGPL we would be ok?
[12:38] <hub_> \sh: ok. we are you?
[12:38] <hub_> were
[12:38] <\sh> hub_: in the bar room...next to the meeting room
[12:38] <hub_> qh ok
[12:40] <Mez> \sh: there's a bar?
[12:40] <Mez> down here ?
[12:42] <\sh> i need some electricity for this baby here....
[12:42] <hub_> Mez: yep
[12:42] <\sh> only one hour left
[12:42] <Mez> hmm
[12:42] <Mez> I may have to go there
[12:42] <Mez> mmm beer
[12:42] <Mez> lol
[12:43] <Mez> I think I'd get mugged if I walked into this room with a beer
[01:00] <Kyral> So what did I miss?
[01:01] <LaserJock> Kyral: I sent an email to the FlowDesigner mailing list telling them about our intentions and I got the licence OK'd
[01:01] <Kyral> Oh I knew the LGPL was okay
[01:02] <LaserJock> Kyral: I just wanted to be sure of the second paragraph of it since I don't have any licensing experience ;-)
[01:02] <Kyral> the LGPL comes directly from GNU
[01:02] <Kyral> its legit ;P
[01:03] <LaserJock> well, I knew that LGPL was OK but I wasn't sure about the linking to FFTW
[01:03] <Kyral> isn;t FFTW also GPL/LGPL?
[01:03] <cevizoglu> FFTW?
[01:04] <cevizoglu> fast-fourier transform?
[01:04] <LaserJock> Kyral: yes GPL
[01:04] <LaserJock> cevizoglu: yeah
[01:04] <Kyral> Yah so its all good
[01:04] <Kyral> GPL linking to GPL is always good
[01:05] <Kyral> or any of the official GNU licenses
[01:06] <Kyral> Any word from the devs yet?
[01:08] <Kyral> It looks like an easy package job, if the AutoConf is standard
[01:09] <LaserJock> Kyral: no word from the devs, it might be a little while
[01:09] <Kyral> no prob
[01:09] <Kyral> no hurry
[01:09] <Kyral> oh \sh, can I make a request about the meeting tomorrow?
[01:10] <Kyral> I have something going on tomorrow between noon and like 2 PM EST(Montreal Time), so if you could not hold the meeting during that time it would be great :D
[01:13] <Kyral> Off to serve as a New User Mentor :P
[01:14] <LaserJock> good luck ;-)
[02:38] <bmonty_laptop> hi everyone
[02:38] <zakame> hi all
[02:38] <zakame> hi bmonty_laptop
[02:39] <bmonty_laptop> is everyone out partying at UBZ?
[02:39] <zakame> probably :)
[02:40] <LaserJock> hi bmonty_laptop
[02:41] <bmonty_laptop> hey LaserJock
[02:41] <LaserJock> how's it going bmonty_laptop ?
[02:41] <bmonty_laptop> how did the research propsal presentation go
[02:41] <LaserJock> everything is good, I think ;-)
[02:42] <bmonty_laptop> nice
[02:42] <LaserJock> I will find out in Dec. if I get the fellowship
[02:42] <bmonty_laptop> I'm watching this report on NBC about guys picking up boys over instant messenger....pretty sick
[02:42] <zakame> gaah
[02:43] <LaserJock> ugggh
[02:43] <LaserJock> bbl, I gotta get home
[02:43] <bmonty_laptop> haha, they just told the guys that the are on TV
[02:43] <zakame> bye LaserJock :D
[02:44] <bmonty_laptop> cya LaserJock
[02:44] <LaserJock> cya
[02:46] <bmonty_laptop> anyone know what the launchpad-dependencies package is?
[02:53] <mloskot> hi all
[02:53] <mloskot> Could someone explain me debian -> ubuntu packages adoption procedure?
[02:54] <mloskot> Package X has only maintainer for Debian, then whos is responsible for adopting/testing it under Ubuntu, etc.
[02:54] <zakame> mloskot: some packages from Debian main get synced in Ubuntu universe
[02:54] <mloskot> zakame: automatically?
[02:55] <zakame> mloskot: not really... see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[02:57] <mloskot> zakame: I understand it now.
[02:57] <zakame> mloskot: there are also debian packages in ubuntu that are maintained by universe maintainers and MOTUs
[02:58] <mloskot> sure
[02:58] <zakame> brb
[02:59] <mloskot> Funny, I'm interested in moving Degian-GIS to Ubuntu, because there is no MOTU Team working on it (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTeams)
[02:59] <mloskot> but as I see, there has been started Ubuntu GIS sub-project https://wiki.ubuntu.com//UbuntuGIS
[03:00] <mloskot> Why this team is not listed in MOTU Teams list?
[03:04] <bmonty_laptop> mloskot: probably because they didn't add themselves to that list
[03:05] <thierry_> is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto still valid or we need to set it for dapper?
[03:05] <mloskot> bmonty_laptop: yes, but that's the reason I couldn't find them ;-)
[03:07] <bmonty_laptop> thierry_: it has instructions for dapper near the bottom
[03:07] <thierry_> k
[03:07] <bmonty_laptop> basically build a breezy pbuilder, and then convert it to dapper
[03:08] <thierry_> k but will it break my system, I mean will it make the whole system use dev packages?
[03:08] <bmonty_laptop> mloskot: if you know how to work with packages, you could ask for a REVU account and put your packages there to be added to universe
[03:09] <bmonty_laptop> thierry_: no, the pbuilder runs in a chroot, it won't touch the system
[03:09] <thierry_> cool thanks
[03:09] <mloskot> bmonty_laptop: I've sent my MOTU requrest to Oliver Grawert.
[03:09] <mloskot> bmonty_laptop: because I just started to work on my own packages
[03:09] <bmonty_laptop> you don't need to be an MOTU to upload to REVU (I'm not an MOTU)
[03:09] <mloskot> and I'd like tp push them to Univ
[03:10] <mloskot> bmonty_laptop: hm, I just read the Wiki and tried to follow official way of participation
[03:10] <mloskot> bmonty_laptop: but that's not a problem, sure
[03:10] <mloskot> bmonty_laptop: Yes, I have my own first small package, so first steps are behind me, then I could move on.
[03:11] <mloskot> bmonty_laptop: OK, I'll learn REVU and push there my package(s).
[03:11] <bmonty_laptop> mloskot: that would probably be the best way to get your package reviewed
[03:11] <mloskot> ok
[03:11] <bmonty_laptop> and hang out in this channel and help out :)
[03:12] <mloskot> yes, that's what I'd like to do after hours.
[03:13] <mloskot> BTW, I asked on #ubuntu but no answer, is there any Request Feature tool somewhere where I could put my request?
[03:13] <bmonty_laptop> cool
[03:13] <bmonty_laptop> mloskot: i'm sorry...request for what?
[03:13] <bmonty_laptop> to move your GIS package to universe?
[03:14] <mloskot> where I could submit new feature request, not about GIS, but i.e. small feature for GNOME menu ;-)
[03:14] <bmonty_laptop> you should file a bug in lauchpad against the package with the feature you want
[03:15] <mloskot> I see, thanks
[03:16] <mloskot> (I mean Feature Request as something like Feature Request tool on SourceForge.net Tracker for hosted projects)
[03:16] <mloskot> ok, thanks, see you later
[03:16] <bmonty_laptop> launchpad would be the best place
[03:17] <bmonty_laptop> cya mloskot
[03:17] <mloskot> thanks
[03:30] <thierry_> I think there's an error in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto at dapper change... /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/ doesn't point to a directory, not a file
[03:32] <bmonty_laptop> thierry_: there are a couple of files to change
[03:32] <thierry_> bmonty_laptop : even the .gpg files?
[03:32] <bmonty_laptop> thierry_: specifically the pbuilderrc and sources.list
[03:33] <bmonty_laptop> thierry_: I changed breezy to dapper in pbuilderrc and sources.list and the chroot has dapper packages in it
[03:33] <thierry_> k
[03:33] <thierry_> thanks
[03:35] <thierry_> bmonty_laptop : when I do sudo pbuilder update --override-config I get a error that no distribution is specified
[03:36] <thierry_> could be an error and that we need to add --distribution dapper ?
[03:39] <bmonty_laptop> thierry_: I don't think so, did you specify the distribution as dapper in pbuilderrc?
[03:40] <thierry_> yes
[03:41] <bmonty_laptop> thierry_: all I can say is follow all the instructions on the wiki
[03:41] <bmonty_laptop> I could also email you my config files if you want
[03:42] <thierry_> k... but I really wonder, because once I specified --distribution dapper everything worked fine
[03:43] <bmonty_laptop> i don't think I had to do that, but if it works, great! :)
[03:43] <thierry_> k
[03:44] <thierry_> mmm I a MOTU wanabe who wonder where to go after pbuilder configuration...
[03:44] <bmonty_laptop> build some packages!
[03:45] <thierry_> in the REVU?
[03:46] <thierry_> I know this is a common question but : Where is the easiest place to start?
[03:46] <bmonty_laptop> no REVU packages are already built
[03:46] <bmonty_laptop> do you know how packages work?
[03:47] <bmonty_laptop> i.e. can you build a package from scratch?
[03:47] <thierry_> bmonty_laptop : well not yet :)
[03:47] <bmonty_laptop> thierry_: first thing is to learn how packages work
[03:48] <bmonty_laptop> read the Debian new maintainers guide
[03:48] <thierry_> then go in the universe candidates and start trying to make a package?
[03:48] <bmonty_laptop> thierry_: yes, or you could work on bugs in Malone
[03:48] <bmonty_laptop> once UBZ is done you could help with implementing some of the specs they come up with
[03:49] <thierry_> mmm what is UBZ and what is exactly a spec (alredy heard of it but never understood what was one)
[03:49] <bmonty_laptop> UBZ is the ubuntu developer conference going on in Montreal
[03:50] <LaserJock> Ubuntu Below Zero
[03:50] <bmonty_laptop> I'm not sure if I want to take a stab at defining what a specification is, but basically it is a document that describes the features a piece of software is supposed to have
[03:51] <thierry_> k...
[03:55] <jsgotangco> well a spec is more of a guide for developers and community people on what to work on for a target release
[03:56] <bmonty_laptop> jsgotangco: probably  a better definition than I could give :)
[03:56] <jsgotangco> basically during a devel conference like ubz, participants make tons of specs and have people assign them or have the other specs get adopted by the community to develop
[03:56] <bmonty_laptop> jsgotangco: I'm thinking more along the lines of how it is defined in a software engineering text
[03:57] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[03:58] <jsgotangco> sure in some LP BOFs that happens
[03:58] <bmonty_laptop> jsgotangco: still I think we are thinking the same thing
[03:58] <jsgotangco> yes
[03:58] <jsgotangco> but UBZ also has community stuff so theres no software development involved
[04:00] <bmonty_laptop> yeah right, I bet those guys can't stop themselves from writing some code :)
[04:07] <thierry_> at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot do I need to change all breezy for dapper?
[04:07] <LaserJock> if you want a dapper pbuilder
[04:08] <LaserJock> or chroot rather
[04:08] <thierry_> well I want to build new packages, so this should for dapper right?
[04:08] <LaserJock> yep
[04:08] <thierry_> k thanks
[04:09] <thierry_> I get E: No such script: dapper
[04:09] <thierry_>  when I do sudo debootstrap [--variant=buildd]  [--arch i386]  breezy /var/chroot/ http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[04:12] <freeflying> sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd --arch i386 dapper /var/chroot/ http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[04:12] <freeflying> thierry:you shall do like that
[04:14] <thierry_> I get E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/dapper
[04:18] <freeflying> have configure your pbuilderrc correctly
[04:18] <thierry_> well yes
[04:18] <thierry_> I changed DISTRIBUTION= to dapper
[04:19] <Kyral> You need help for a Dapper PBuilder?
[04:19] <freeflying> you needn't do this step ,just update
[04:19] <freeflying> there is help on wiki
[04:19] <LaserJock> thierry_: are you makeing a chroot or a pbuilder?
[04:20] <LaserJock> thierry_: i think you need to find the debootstrap .deb for dapper at packages.ubuntu.com and install that first
[04:21] <pietrus> thierry_: just create a pbuilder for breezy and then change pbulderc and pbuilder apt.source to point to dapper and run the updaet command that is in the bottom f the wiki page
[04:21] <pietrus> i have just done this
[04:23] <pietrus> gotta go to bed now
[04:27] <thierry_> LaserJock : well pbuilder isn't suppose to be made inside the chroot after creating it
[04:28] <bmonty_laptop> thierry_: pbuilder makes a chroot
[04:28] <bmonty_laptop> that is what "pbuilder create" does
[04:29] <thierry_> ho
[04:35] <tseng> bmonty_laptop: what was your goal with using ldap and krb "together"
[04:35] <tseng> i only use one or the other
[04:35] <bmonty_laptop> tseng: single sign on with openafs
[04:36] <tseng> oh.. afs
[04:36] <bmonty_laptop> ldap has user information, krb has passwords and a logon gets you a ticket
[04:36] <tseng> yes i use krb5 for auth on all my systems
[04:36] <tseng> ldap for the corporate user system for one app
[04:37] <tseng> never both for one auth
[04:37] <bmonty_laptop> tseng: I got ldap and kerberos working...turns out there was a problem with reverse lookups on my DNS
[04:37] <tseng> hm oh
[04:37] <tseng> good :)
[04:38] <bmonty_laptop> now I'm working on openafs....its confusing
[04:38] <bmonty_laptop> my goal is to be able to have a single sign on with my home directory in afs so it is the same on all my machines
[04:39] <bmonty_laptop> and when I travel with my laptop I don't need network access to get to my files
[04:40] <tseng> that would be awesome
[04:41] <bmonty_laptop> tseng: it is taking a little longer to implement than I woud like :)
[04:51] <bmonty_laptop> anyone know how to get an X program in a pbuilder chroot to be able to access the X display?
[05:19] <LaserJock> bmonty_laptop: why do you want to do that?
[05:20] <bmonty_laptop> LaserJock: to test an X app from inside the dapper pbuilder :)
[05:20] <LaserJock> why not a dapper chroot?
[05:21] <bmonty_laptop> thats what the pbuilder is
[05:22] <LaserJock> well, but isn't it kinda different. It is a chroot that is recreated everytime you call pbuilder?
[05:22] <bmonty_laptop> LaserJock: yeah it makes a new chroot everytime you start it
[05:23] <LaserJock> but if you just have a regular chroot you can do a lot more testing, etc
[05:24] <bmonty_laptop> where are the instructions to make a regular chroot?
[05:24] <LaserJock> I guess I would just make the .debs and install them in a chroot
[05:24] <LaserJock> wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[05:25] <bmonty_laptop> i'll check that out thanks
[05:26] <LaserJock> I made a dapper chroot that has my /home bind mounted (its in the wiki) so I can have access to my home directory within the chroot
[05:32] <bmonty_laptop> LaserJock: do you have to do the same like pbuilder, make a breezy chroot and then change it to dapper?
[05:33] <LaserJock> umm, I think if you install the dapper debootstrap you can go straight to dapper, otherwise you need to do breezy and dist-upgrade
[05:33] <bmonty_laptop> ahh
[05:34] <LaserJock> I created a dapper chroot and pbuilder today without having to update
[05:36] <Riddell> revu added to dput.cf default.  I'm a genius
[05:37] <bmonty_laptop> oops :)
[05:51] <bmonty_laptop> LaserJock_: did you have to do anything special to run an X app in the debootstrap?
[05:52] <LaserJock_> no, I just logged in dchroot -d and ran whatever. today I ran the new emacs and it work seemlessly
[05:53] <Lathiat> wouldnt the X sockets need to be passed in ?
[05:53] <LaserJock_> heck if I know, I just fired up emacs and it came up
[05:54] <bmonty_laptop> Lathiat: I think that is the problem, it needs the .Xauthority cookie, right?
[05:55] <LaserJock> well, I have my home mounted in the chroot and I start it with chroot -d so I think that is all you need, right?
[05:55] <LaserJock> that would give you .Xauthority, I think ;-)
[05:58] <bmonty_laptop> LaserJock: yeah, I initially didn't want my home in the chroot....I don't think I have a choice :)
[06:03] <LaserJock> could you just copy your .Xauthority over to your chroot?
[06:03] <bmonty_laptop> LaserJock: nah, I took the easy way and just mounted my home into the chroot
[06:04] <bmonty_laptop> I wanted to test the fix I made...not mess with chroots :)
[06:04] <LaserJock> yeah, but chroots are better than dual booting or something like that
[06:04] <bmonty_laptop> LaserJock: definately
[06:05] <LaserJock> bmonty_laptop: BTW, I don't know if I told you already, or if you care, but I made a MOTUScience team the other day
[06:05] <bmonty_laptop> if there is a build depend on a perl lib, do you have to add that to the install depends or does $shlibs find it?
[06:06] <bmonty_laptop> LaserJock: cool, not sure if I would be much help there
[06:06] <LaserJock> I just thought I should throw it out there, no pressure though ;-)
[06:24] <Kyral> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ghemical/+bug/3543 <---should this be reassigned to the MOTUScience team?
[06:25] <minghua> Does anyone in MOTUScience use ghemical?
[06:25] <LaserJock> Kyral: I'm not sure if we want to reassign just yet. I am working with the ghemical developers on that bug though
[06:25] <LaserJock> minghua: I do
[06:26] <minghua> Maybe we should put up a "bugs the team may be interested in" wiki page instead of assigning?
[06:27] <minghua> or better, have a team address to subscribe the bug
[06:27] <LaserJock> azeem, who is sometimes here is the debian maintainer for ghemical. Apparently they are going to release a new version next week that might fix that bug
[06:27] <LaserJock> minghua: yeah, I'm not sure how to do that yet
[06:27] <LaserJock> launchpad is quite mysterious to me still
[06:28] <Lathiat> i heard from bradb they are going to implement 'QA contacts'
[06:28] <Lathiat> that you can assign to packages
[06:28] <Lathiat> so we can use that to track things like OTU
[06:28] <Lathiat> and then actually assign bugs to people
[06:28] <Lathiat> instead of MOTU
[06:28] <minghua> I am starting to get a feel that universe should be somehow labeled as one "QAed part" and one "Nobody really knows part" :-)
[06:30] <minghua> Lathiat: is that going to be reflected in the package description, or is it just a launchpad thing?
[06:31] <LaserJock> well, it looks like we might be able to use "subscribe someone else" and but motuscience in.
[06:31] <LaserJock> s/but/put/
[06:31] <Lathiat> unfortunately subscriptiond oesnt do much until somethign happens to the bug
[06:31] <Lathiat> and theres no subscription list
[06:31] <Lathiat> they need to send someone mail when you subscribe someone else to something
[06:31] <LaserJock> Lathiat: that's true
[06:32] <Lathiat> and really a +subscribedbugs woudlnt go astray either
[06:34] <Kyral> LJ did you hear from the devs yet?
[06:35] <LaserJock> for FlowDesigner?
[06:35] <Kyral> ja
[06:36] <LaserJock> no, I just emailed their mailing list. I might try the devs directly if I don't hear anything soon. I don't know if it matters much. I think if we get a package built we can tell them after the fact ;-)
[06:36] <Kyral> Okay
[06:37] <Kyral> Oh hwo the hell do I get "MOTUScience" to be a link in my Wiki
[06:37] <LaserJock> do you have "[[FullSearch()] ] " in the code?
[06:38] <Kyral> ..no
[06:38] <LaserJock> That puts links to any wiki page with your name on it
[06:38] <Kyral> Okaaay
[06:38] <Kyral> so just put that in there?
[06:39] <LaserJock> ----
[06:39] <LaserJock> Related pages:
[06:39] <LaserJock> [[FullSearch()] ] 
[06:39] <LaserJock>  ^^ that is what I have
[06:40] <Kyral> Yah but how do I get "MOTUScience" to be a link to the MotuScience page without that (So its under my Teams)
[06:41] <LaserJock> ohhh, I see what you mean now. use ["MOTUScience"] 
[06:41] <LaserJock> it doesn't recognize it as a wiki page
[06:49] <Kyral> Hey LJ, remind me to talk to Corey about helping with the Installation Guide
[06:51] <LaserJock> Kyral: why do I have to be your daytimer? ;-)
[06:51] <minghua> Kyral: go install a calendar program :-)
[07:07] <Kyral> lol sorry
[07:07] <Kyral> I'm just very absent minded sometimes
[07:10] <LaserJock> Kyral: I am too, that is why it isn't good to ask me to help you remeber something ;-)
[07:11] <bmonty_laptop> night LaserJock
[07:12] <bmonty_laptop> night MOTUs
[07:12] <Kyral> Okay I have just hit lazy central
[07:13] <Kyral> I made an alias to update all 4 of my PBuilders at once
[07:14] <LaserJock> lol
[07:15] <Kyral> And I can easily adapt it to clean all 4 at once
[07:16] <Kyral> How do I get on the DocTeam now...
[07:18] <LaserJock> Kyral: talk to rob^
[07:18] <LaserJock> Kyral: but what about FlowDesigner? :)
[07:19] <Kyral> I was actually about to hit it with dh_make ;P
[07:19] <Kyral> I was just saying I could help with the Install Guide ;P
[07:20] <LaserJock> yeah, actually I might be working on a packaging guide for the doc team. You might be interested in some of that too
[07:21] <Kyral> Yah I would :D
[07:21] <Kyral> LJ I have a feeling that we will both wind up with our MOTU Licenses around the same time :D
[07:21] <rob^> that would be great
[07:22] <LaserJock> Kyral: oh, I don't know. I actually have never made a package from scratch before, just updated existing ones.
[07:22] <rob^> what exists currently as a packaging guide?
[07:22] <Kyral> The Debian New Maintainers Guide
[07:22] <rob^> ah, yeah I've read that one
[07:23] <LaserJock> well, we have PbuilderHowto, PackagingTips, MOTUWannabeTips and maybe one or two others
[07:23] <LaserJock> but I will be working on getting those put in better shape
[07:24] <Kyral> I have to append the PBuilderHOWTO on how to make multiple ones
[07:24] <Kyral> Leave it to me ;D
[07:24] <LaserJock> Kyral: Yeah, I was going to ask you to do that. I think it is important for MOTUs to be able to do
[07:24] <Kyral> FlowDesigner hit with DH
[07:25] <Kyral> Make
[07:25] <Kyral> I'm lucky this time, it uses a proper AutoConf, so DH_Make did most of the work :D
[07:25] <LaserJock> yeah, that is nice
[07:25] <Kyral> I also want to somehow bring my "Terminal for Beginners" Guide from the Forums into the Wiki
[07:26] <Kyral> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=73885
[07:27] <rob^> Kyral, there is something like that being worked on in the wiki that you could maybe work on
[07:27] <rob^> bring all the best bits over etc..
[07:27] <Kyral> Who is working on it
[07:27] <rob^> I forget the name though, something like "command line" something
[07:27] <Kyral> *thinks he should start hanging out in the docteam channel*
[07:28] <LaserJock> Kyral: yeah, I started that today too :)
[07:28] <rob^> this is it I think:
[07:28] <rob^> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommandlineHowto
[07:28] <Kyral> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommandlineHowto
[07:28] <rob^> heh
[07:29] <Kyral> I'll send the maintainer a msg through the wiki
[07:29] <rob^> np
[07:29] <Kyral> Wait can I?
[07:30] <rob^> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommandlineHowto?action=info for a list of people who are working on it
[07:30] <rob^> they might have an email address, either that or just post it to the docteam mailing list
[07:30] <Kyral> yah, but tomorrow
[07:31] <Kyral> its gettin' late ;P
[07:31] <rob^> heh
[07:31] <Kyral> whats the DocTeam channel?
[07:31] <rob^> #ubuntu-doc
[07:31] <Kyral> With that I am sleeping
[07:31] <Kyral> cya Ubunteros!
[07:31] <rob^> bye
[07:31] <LaserJock> cya Kyral
[07:32] <Kyral> (Why the hell did Mark change it from Ubuntite to Ubuntero?)
[07:33] <rob^> I dunno, they both sound odd
[07:34] <crimsun> cool, Mark uses Kubuntu
[07:35] <Kyral> LJ regardless if they(FlowDevelop) respond I'll have a debpack ready tomorrow
[07:35] <LaserJock> Kyral: ok, no rush, but it would be nice for us to put out something
[07:36] <Kyral> Like I said its an easy package b/c it uses AutoConf
[07:49] <zakame> afternoon all!
[07:50] <LaserJock> evening
[07:53] <zakame> what do you think of this: split lighttpd source as lighttpd{,ssl} for the server and lighttpd-common for config and modules, or build just a single lighttpd package plus liblighttpd-mod-* for individual modules?
[07:56] <zakame> wb bhuvan
[07:57] <bhuvan> ?
[07:57] <crimsun> zakame: the former is preferable imo
[07:59] <zakame> crimsun: I tend to agree, I think this will also allow a couple of lighttpd servers running at the same host, assuming there's no conflict
[08:14] <pef> hello
[08:14] <zakame> hi pef
[08:22] <Mez> anyone here (MOTU)
[08:23] <pef> yes
[08:24] <zakame> what's up?
[08:24] <Mez> anyone who's actually a MOT U?
[08:25] <Mez> (if you are - sorry)
[08:26] <crimsun> yes
[08:26] <crimsun> what's up?
[08:26] <Mez> crimsun - private
[08:27] <zakame> wb zyga
[08:28] <zyga> zakame: morning :-)
[08:35] <zakame> hmm I notice a some stuff in UniverseCandidates are already in Universe, among other cruft...
[08:38] <LaserJock> really, a lot of stuff?
[08:38] <LaserJock> or just a few
[08:39] <zakame> sorry, a few actually :)
[08:39] <zakame> on others there are debian pkgs already available
[08:39] <LaserJock> np, I woudn''t be suprised if it was a lot
[08:45] <zakame> hmm, is it just me, or is mysql.sf.net down?
[08:46] <crimsun> the running joke is "when is foo.sf.net _not_ down?" ;-)
[08:47] <zakame> buwahahaha
[08:50] <pef> zakame: down for me too
[08:51] <zakame> pef: hmm, I was browsing some of the UC sites, picking which one to (hopefully) work on :)
[09:16] <minghua> the MOTU meeting time hasn't been decided yet?
[09:17] <minghua> it's good when you are only one timezone away from Montreal though :-)
[09:17] <zakame> minghua: hehe
[09:18] <Mez> minghua, I doubt it will \sh is going to have a hell of a hangover in the morning
[09:18] <Mez> he either drank a lot or cant hold his drink
[09:19] <zakame> haha
[09:20] <minghua> Mez: then I can sleep well :-)
[09:33] <schweeb> Mez: isn't he german? I'm guessing option 2
[09:34] <Mez> y option 2 ?
[09:35] <schweeb> germans are born to drink beer
[09:35] <schweeb> it's their sole purpose in life
[09:35] <Mez> so you reckon he cant hold his drink ?
[09:35] <schweeb> err
[09:35] <schweeb> option 1
[09:35] <schweeb> I'm too tired.
[09:36] <schweeb> running on like 4 hrs sleep in the last 48 hrs
[09:37] <Mez> well by the looks of it
[09:37] <Mez> he had a lot less than me
[09:37] <Mez> (I had 3 beers - 7 vodka cokes and a shooter of creme de menth and bailets
[09:38] <Mez> but then I dont know what he drinak all night
[09:39] <schweeb> so you had a fairly normal night is what you're saying :p
[09:39] <Mez> *shrugs*
[09:39] <Mez> anyways night
[09:39] <schweeb> night
[09:40] <crimsun> night
[11:43] <mloskot> Is there any #ubuntu-dev channel or something for developers (launchpad, bugs, etc.)?
[11:49] <minghua> mloskot: #ubuntu-devel?
[11:49] <mloskot> thanks, I'm just there ;-)
[11:50] <minghua> just saw you :-)  sorry
[02:12] <Tonio_> mornin'
[02:52] <hunger> How good is cdbs yet? Should I use that for my debs or stick with dh_make multi-binary?
[02:54] <siretart> hunger: try both and see what suits you better
[02:54] <siretart> I think it really depends on the package
[02:55] <\sh> ok going downstairs
[02:55] <siretart> same to me
[02:56] <hunger> siretart: So I guess I'll stick with multibinary. cdbs is rather arcane:-)
[02:59] <ajmitch> morning
[02:59] <tseng> hi
[03:19] <Kyral> Morning
[03:20] <Kyral> \sh when is this meeting that the topic speaks of?
[03:27] <zakame> evening
[03:33] <zakame> hi sladen
[03:33] <zakame> and slomo too :D
[03:35] <zakame> wb dholbach :)
[03:36] <dholbach> hellas :)
[03:36] <dholbach> hi zakame
[03:37] <siretart> lets make the motu meeting at 15:40 montreal time
[03:37] <ajmitch> hi dholbach, siretart
[03:37] <siretart> we have 'universe motu' bof there
[03:37] <siretart> huhu ajmitch
[03:39] <zakame> siretart: ooh!
[03:39] <jsgotangco> hehe
[03:39] <Kyral> Here on IRC?
[03:39] <zakame> siretart: is the motu-meeting today?
[03:39] <Kyral> and siretart "Montreal Time" is correctly referred to as EST or GMT -5
[03:39] <sladen> hi zakame
[03:40] <jsgotangco> hmmmm
[03:40] <siretart> I was rather thinking about a motu bof, we will have a 'real' motu meeting on irc were we report what we talked about
[03:40] <jsgotangco> were there enough motus in ubz?
[03:40] <jsgotangco> i guess
[03:40] <sladen> k
[03:41] <siretart> since there are quite some motus here at ubz, but we didn't hat the chance yet to talk about motu stuff, I think
[03:41] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[03:41] <zakame> hmmm
[03:41] <hub_> gah
[03:41] <hub_> this network is awful
[03:41] <siretart> yeah
[03:41] <hub_> i'm here for example
[03:42] <\sh> ok...
[03:42] <\sh> we have a scheduled time for our meeting
[03:42] <siretart> I count at least 8 motus here at ubz
[03:42] <sladen> \sh: have you scheduled it on LP?
[03:42] <\sh> sladen: claire did
[03:42] <siretart> sladen: look on todays schedule, it is called 'universe motus'
[03:42] <ajmitch> sladen: it's on the day's schedule
[03:43] <siretart> http://people.ubuntu.com/~jamesh/todays-schedule.html
[03:44] <\sh> 15:40 EST is what in utc?
[03:44] <siretart> I think -5h
[03:44] <Kyral> Sh I just said that
[03:45] <Kyral> EST == UTC/GMT -5 ;P
[03:45] <\sh> Kyral: sry...yeah
[03:45] <\sh> means...20:40
[03:45] <Kyral> yup
[03:45] <Kyral> I think timezones should be abolished ;P
[03:45] <siretart> ack!
[03:46] <ajmitch> sure, everything should be NZST
[03:46] <siretart> hrhr
[03:46] <Kyral> nah, GMT ;P
[03:46] <Kyral> You should say GMT ;P
[03:47] <ajmitch> s/GMT/UTC/
[03:47] <siretart> why do we have to topic locked?
[03:47] <Kyral> whats the difference between GMT and UTC anyway?
[03:48] <siretart> daylight saving perhaps?
[03:48] <ajmitch> yep
[03:48] <\sh> siretart: beg chanserv for op
[03:48] <Kyral> DST is evil
[03:48] <siretart> \sh: my question was rather if there has been abuse
[03:48] <\sh> siretart: -ENOCLUE
[03:48] <Kyral> Its even more confusing because there is a portion of the EST timezone that doesn't use it
[03:49] <Kyral> so during that time you have 5 timezones in the contenental US
[03:49] <siretart> \sh: please /mode -t #ubuntu-motu
[03:49] <siretart> too late
[03:49] <Kyral> I assume the meeting is here? (In #ubuntu-motu)?
[03:49] <tseng> siretart: it doesnt matter, there is no access
[03:49] <siretart> ?
[03:49] <siretart> well, anyway, I don't care that much..
[03:52] <\sh> ajmitch: did u write the last motu meeting minutes ?
[03:55] <Mez> just to let you know I wont be attending the MOTU meeting later
[03:56] <\sh> why not?
[03:56] <\sh> btw some infos here
[03:56] <\sh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule
[03:57] <\sh> and a short overview of the Dapper Release Process (which is discussed, but not approved right now..so only informational status)
[03:57] <\sh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseProcess
[04:00] <Mez> \sh: mainly because I've had a shit night, and dont feel up to anything, and mainly because apparently the MOTU team see what I do as "complete bollocks"
[04:01] <dholbach> Mez: "complete bollocks"?
[04:02] <ogra_> what makes you think this ??
[04:02] <zakame> Mez: eh?!?
[04:04] <Mez> backports?
[04:04] <ogra_> Mez, as long as it wasnt you who created this evil stuff : http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/breezy-extras-staging/restricted/binary-i386/w32codecs_20050412+breezy0.0.1_all.deb
[04:04] <sistpoty> hi folks
[04:04] <ogra_> thats the suck, who creted that ?
[04:04] <ogra_> *created
[04:04] <dholbach> Mez: talking about the whole group as one and staying away from the meeting won't change anything... atm i don't even know what the problem is
[04:05] <Mez> ogra_, no... but apparently it's concensus between the MOTUs that the old and new backports are "complete bollocks"
[04:05] <zakame> dholbach: can non-MOTUs attend the meeting?
[04:05] <dholbach> sure
[04:05] <ogra_> Mez, thats absolutely not true
[04:05] <sistpoty> meeting... did I miss s.th.?
[04:05] <Mez> ogra: I believe that jdong made it from ... marillat
[04:05] <siretart> Mez: thats not right. I really appreciate the existance of official backports
[04:06] <\sh> Mez: who said that? I can't remember to say something like this last night
[04:06] <zakame> jsgotangco: haha
[04:06] <siretart> Mez: it's rather that I'm very concerned about users complaining about upgrade problems
[04:06] <ogra_> Mez, its a script that rm -rf's directorys in the postrm ....
[04:06] <Mez> \sh: well then maybe you had a bit too much to drink
[04:06] <Mez> ogra_ lmao
[04:06] <Mez> yeah, the package sucks
[04:06] <siretart> Mez: actually, there is quite a need for backports. but thats is more challenging than regular package and thus must be made right!
[04:07] <Mez> think it was generated from marrilat
[04:07] <ogra_> and wgets a zipfile in the postinst.... if the url is unreachable, your packaging system is broken....
[04:07] <\sh> Mez: no...I only asked u if somebody care about testing the stuff and really care about the responsibilty u have
[04:07] <Mez> siretart: I know
[04:07] <dholbach> Mez: i used the new backports already, so please come off it
[04:07] <dholbach> Mez: if you're annoyed or disappointed about something, try to identify it accurately and talk about it please
[04:07] <zakame> hmm, question: should REVU uploads build on dapper or still breezy?
[04:07] <siretart> but what really pisses me off is leaving the procedures we (as in ubuntu in general) agreed on without even announcing it
[04:07] <ogra_> Mez, i totally count on you and backports for edubuntu for example, to fill all the gaps i couldnt fill in breezy
[04:08] <Mez> siretart ... ?
[04:08] <siretart> zakame: dapper, but please see ant_1.6.2-2_all.deb
[04:08] <siretart> zakame: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/revu
[04:08] <dholbach> i have no idea, what the problem is
[04:08] <siretart> sorry
[04:08] <zakame> siretart: ant?
[04:08] <siretart> zakame: forget ant, wrong pastebuffer
[04:08] <zakame> siretart: ok :)
[04:09] <Mez> but, I wont be attending anyways
[04:09] <siretart> Mez: I'm not sure, but I really think to remember that we agreed that the mirrormax backports are being shut down. we was that w32codecs package for breezy created then?
[04:09] <siretart> Mez: that can't be about 'staging'
[04:09] <Mez> siretart: the backports mirror being shut down
[04:09] <Mez> and mirrormax is nothing to do with me
[04:10] <Mez> I still wont be attending anyways
[04:10] <siretart> Mez: I didn't say anything about you in person
[04:10] <Mez> I just had a really rough night, and need some time alone
[04:10] <zakame> Mez: aww
[04:10] <zakame> wb slomo
[04:10] <siretart> Mez: I was only talking about that unofficial backports
[04:10] <Mez> siretart: you didnt say anything
[04:11] <ogra_> siretart, i think they wanted to keep extras there... as long as they dont put stuff in the wrong place (like w32codecs into restricted for example) thats fine
[04:11] <slomo> hi zakame :)
[04:11] <Mez> the other day, in the backports BoF, you came up with some good points siretart, which I've taken into consideration
[04:11] <Mez> but, anyways, as I said
[04:11] <siretart> ogra_: perhaps they should colaborate with plf
[04:11] <Mez> I wont be attending
[04:12] <siretart> your choice
[04:13] <Mez> nothing against the MOTU... I'm just going through a rough patch at the moment, and need some time to get my head together
[04:14] <jsgotangco> surely its not because of ubz
[04:15] <dholbach> Mez: it might help, if the problem was more accurately described... i have no idea, what the discussion is about
[04:15] <Mez> dholbach: it's not that much of a deal at the moment
[04:15] <Mez> it was more of a "side thought"
[04:15] <Mez> as I said - I'm going through a rough spot...
[04:16] <Mez> and i just need to relax
[04:16] <dholbach> then take your time
[04:17] <dholbach> if you have something helpful to say about "complete bollocks", we could talk about it as a group
[04:18] <zakame> wb bmonty_laptop
[04:19] <bmonty_laptop> hi zakame
[04:22] <Mez> dholbach: I'm sorry bout mentioning it - I was just a lil pissed off about something someone said last nigth
[04:23] <zakame> Kyral: buwahaha :)
[04:24] <zakame> what's all this fuss about `Leonor' that I keep hearing in other channels?
[04:25] <Kyral> who?
[04:25] <zakame> wb Tonio_
[04:26] <Tonio_> zakame: hi
[04:27] <zakame> btw, is there a written agenda for the motu-meeting?
[04:31] <jsgotangco> yes go nuts and get drunk after wards
[04:36] <sistpoty> ping slomo
[04:37] <zakame> jsgotangco: buwahaha
[04:38] <sistpoty> zakame: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting ... but unfortunately this is outdated :(
[04:38] <zakame> sistpoty: very much indeed :(
[04:38] <slomo> sistpoty: pong
[04:39] <sistpoty> slomo: I'll be doing the wiki for weird languages now
[04:39] <sistpoty> slomo: what name should we use?
[04:39] <sistpoty> slomo: MOTUUncommonProgrammingLanguages?
[04:40] <slomo> sistpoty: sounds fine :)
[04:40] <mloskot> hi all!
[04:40] <sistpoty> slomo: ok
[04:40] <sistpoty> hi mloskot
[04:40] <mloskot> highvoltage, i'm looking for Corey Burger here :-) ?
[04:41] <mloskot> sorry, i don't know his nick ;-(
[04:41] <\sh> mloskot: Burgundavia
[04:41] <mloskot> thx
[04:41] <mloskot> seems his not here now
[04:42] <\sh> not in this channel...try devel or query him
[04:42] <Kyral> Quick question
[04:42] <Kyral> hes in #ubuntu-doc
[04:42] <mloskot> hehe, he emailed me to get to #ubuntu-motu
[04:42] <Kyral> anyway, what are we gonna do with XChat 2.6.0?
[04:43] <mloskot> Kyral: np, I'm sending him a message.
[04:46] <highvoltage> mloskot: doesn't seem like he's here, currently
[04:46] <mloskot> highvoltage: yes, i see, I'm waiting for him :-)
[04:47] <pef> how can I know names of packages automatically mass synced from Debian ?
[04:47] <ajmitch> ubuntu-changes-auto list
[04:48] <mloskot>  Hi Burgundavia!
[04:48] <siretart> hey sistpoty!
[04:48] <sistpoty> huhu siretart
[04:49] <slomo> sistpoty: will you give me the urls when you're done? ;)
[04:49] <sistpoty> slomo: sure
[04:50] <\sh> oh wow...it seems my life is somewhat doomed
[04:50] <siretart> FYI, I introduced a wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Transitions page
[04:50] <bmonty_laptop> how so?
[04:50] <\sh> apt-get remove old-life ; apt-get install new-life
[04:50] <slomo> siretart: wiki.ubuntu.com/Transitions was there before ;)
[04:52] <siretart> okay, since they all seem to be done, I'd suggest remove wiki.ubuntu.com/Transitions completly
[04:52] <siretart> any objections?
[04:53] <Mez> \sh: shouldnt it be apt-get remove --purge old-life ?
[04:53] <Mez> or you'll just have bits of it hanging around
[04:53] <\sh> u should never think, when you're thousands of miles away from home, that your life won't reach u
[04:53] <\sh> Mez: which is the truth..
[04:54] <Burgundavia> salut mloskot
[04:54] <mloskot> aloha
[04:54] <Burgundavia> \sh, can do apt-get install new girlfriend as well?
[04:54] <Kyral> \sh: Wow.....that was like......wise and stuff
[04:54] <Mez> \sh: I know what you mean - hence why i had a rough night
[04:55] <mloskot> Burgundavia: does it work that way on your box? :-)
[04:55] <\sh> Burgundavia: well...if apt-get install more-money-for-new-girlfriend works
[04:55] <Burgundavia> mloskot, nope
[04:55] <Burgundavia> \sh, might be troublesome
[04:56] <mloskot> Burgundavia: So, who is involved in the UbuntuGIS else?
[04:56] <Burgundavia> mloskot, ogra_
[04:56] <\sh> just received a mail and a phonecall (via my world-wide-life-vanity-number)
[04:56] <mloskot> Burgundavia: but does he have any GIS background?
[04:57] <\sh> this message is telling me, that I inherit money
[04:57] <mloskot> zyga: nice to see you in here ;-)
[04:57] <Burgundavia> mloskot, doesn
[04:57] <Burgundavia> don't think so
[04:57] <Burgundavia> mine is play only
[04:57] <zyga> mloskot: hi :)
[04:57] <mloskot> Burgundavia: ok, so he is MOTU guru in UbuntuGIS,
[04:58] <mloskot> zyga: are you this zyga?
[04:58] <Burgundavia> yes
[04:58] <zyga> mloskot: the very same
[04:58] <mloskot> Burgundavia: So, where would you start?
[04:58] <mloskot> zyga: i'm glad
[04:58] <zyga> I'll be back in 1/2h
[04:58] <Burgundavia> mloskot, we need to sort that giant list for usefulness
[04:58] <mloskot> Burgundavia: in what categories?
[04:59] <Burgundavia> whatever
[04:59] <mloskot> Burgundavia: useful/not useful or something more meaningful? OK, there may be many categorization rules.
[04:59] <Burgundavia> basically, if we need to turn Ubuntu into a first class GIS platform, what do we need?
[05:00] <\sh> looks like that I have to pay the debts of my grandma
[05:00] <mloskot> Burgundavia: I think we have 2 or 3 objectives:
[05:01] <mloskot> Burgundavia: 1) to include most famous and widely used GIS software: GRASS, MapServer, etc.
[05:01] <bmonty_laptop> \sh: sorry for your loss
[05:01] <Burgundavia> that work is largely done by DebianGIS
[05:02] <mloskot> Burgundavia: 2) to provide _complete_ Web Mapping environment: MapServer, GeoTools, java stuff related to webmapping and webservices, etc.
[05:02] <\sh> bmonty_laptop: no...
[05:02] <pef> ajmitch: not for already synced packages, but them not yet synced ? for example this afternoon I've uploaded to revu a synced version of kdissert from Debian, and with recent mass autosync this sync has be done, so my work is useless
[05:03] <mloskot> Burgundavia: 3) to provide as complete as possible (note, this subject it less developed as web mapping) environment for Desktop GIS: here GRASS is the main part, but not only, there is QGIS moving on and there are many many small tools which are worth to include to UbuntuGIS.
[05:03] <\sh> bmonty_laptop: grandmother died a couple of months ago...this is not the problem...the problem is more, that you're able to inherit depts...if u can say no to it, u r lucky...but if you are 1000 miles away and u don't know anything about it...u r f'uped
[05:04] <mloskot> Burgundavia: So, certainly, we are not able to do all those 3 subjects in the same time, then we should define priorities: i.s.
[05:04] <bmonty_laptop> \sh: ah, that sucks.  must be a German thing.
[05:04] <mloskot> Burgundavia: Oh, there could be also 4) - low level development packages for GIS
[05:04] <mloskot> Burgundavia: Do you like it or...?
[05:04] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[05:04] <Burgundavia> can you change the top of the UbuntuGIS page to reflect that?
[05:05] <Burgundavia> then we can look at each package within those goals and figure out what needs to be done
[05:05] <mloskot> Burgundavia: OK, as a first step I will sort the list according to those 3-4 criterions.
[05:05] <Burgundavia> mloskot, Thanks!
[05:05] <mloskot> Burgundavia: Yes, then we will be able to prioritize pacakges incside those groups.
[05:05] <Burgundavia> fell free to add anything you find
[05:05] <mloskot> Burgundavia: ok, I will try to consult with my friend - web mapping guru to.
[05:06] <mloskot> Burgundavia: So, I thikn that's enough at the moment. I will try to fix this list tonight.
[05:06] <mloskot> OK?
[05:06] <Burgundavia> anytime is great
[05:06] <Burgundavia> it has languished long enough
[05:07] <Burgundavia> ogra_, we have another UbuntuGIS person!
[05:07] <mloskot> Hi ogra
[05:07] <Kyral> hey oliver
[05:09] <ogra_> Burgundavia, saw it
[05:09] <ogra_> :)
[05:29] <zyga> tseng: dont trust either, powerdown, remove the cooler and check
[05:29] <tseng> yeah i am not in the mood to remove the cooler
[05:29] <tseng> but the fins are completely cool
[05:30] <zyga> tseng: what cpu are you using?
[05:30] <tseng> p4 2.0
[05:30] <zyga> tseng: I'd vote for 77
[05:30] <zyga> p4 are hot
[05:31] <Mithrandir> I'd vote for MAXINT+77
[05:32] <Mithrandir> it's probably overflowed.
[05:32] <Lathiat> tseng: one of them may have the sensors confused
[05:34] <tseng> maybe i can test the temparature of the bare cpu by cauterizing this cut on my finger
[05:35] <zyga> tseng: you could touch the other side of the mobo
[05:35] <zyga> tseng: if it's around 77 you'll know for sure
[05:48] <mloskot> see you later
[05:52] <sistpoty> slomo: first draft: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUUncommonProgrammingLanguages
[05:53] <sistpoty> slomo: I've just finished haskell subpage and will be moving on to scheme now
[05:59] <slomo> sistpoty: what about sml? :)
[06:00] <sistpoty> slomo: never heard of it ;)
[06:01] <sistpoty> s.th. like caml?
[06:01] <sistpoty> slomo: this is just a draft yet... let's try to collect as much as possible ;)
[06:02] <slomo> sistpoty: almost the same as caml afaik... sml = standard ml... and caml is what?
[06:03] <sistpoty> slomo: don't know exatly what ca stands for *g*... but mld0nkey is written in it... (ocaml to be precise, which features oop)
[06:06] <slomo> sistpoty: ca = university of california or something similar? ;)
[06:06] <sistpoty> maybe even that ;)
[06:20] <Mez> certificication authority ?
[06:22] <sistpoty> Mez: i doubt it is, since this is the name of programming language... but ocaml is that weird that even this might be possible *g*
[06:24] <siretart> sistpoty: great job for the UncommonLanguages wiki pages!
[06:24] <sistpoty> siretart: thx... actually there is still much to do
[06:25] <siretart> absolutly
[06:25] <sistpoty> (i only know a few bits bout haskell)
[06:25] <siretart> but it helps fresh blood to know whats going on and being able to start helping!
[06:25] <sistpoty> it sure does... and apart from that i'd like to keep links to packaging related stuff on it
[06:26] <sistpoty> which is really uneasy to find, if you don't know it exists (like the haskell guide, which i didn't know of for a very long time *g*)
[06:31] <Mez> sistpoty, :P
[06:32] <bmonty_laptop> sistpoty: nice wiki pages!
[06:35] <sistpoty> bmonty_laptop: thx
[06:35] <ivoks> hi
[06:35] <bmonty_laptop> hey ivoks
[06:36] <ivoks> i found out today that gdm is useless with ldap users
[06:37] <ivoks> i have to use kdm :/
[06:37] <bmonty_laptop> it doesn't use nsswitch?
[06:37] <ivoks> it does
[06:37] <ivoks> it contacts ldap
[06:38] <ivoks> gets everything
[06:38] <ivoks> and then freezes
[06:38] <ivoks> it's a known bug :(
[06:38] <bmonty_laptop> hmm, good to know since I am trying to do that
[06:38] <ivoks> but guys at gnome are sure that it isn't gdm's fault
[06:38] <bmonty_laptop> once I get ldap working correctly that is :)
[06:38] <tseng> it works fine with pam_krb5 :)
[06:38] <ivoks> :)
[06:39] <bmonty_laptop> tseng: good
[06:39] <ivoks> tseng: how hard it is to setup kerberos env?
[06:39] <bmonty_laptop> I though that with pam the apps shouldn't care
[06:39] <ivoks> bmonty_laptop: me too, but you see all work except gdm :)
[06:39] <tseng> ivoks: depends
[06:39] <tseng> ivoks: the server is not that fun, and kind of weird
[06:39] <tseng> the client is easy
[06:39] <tseng> if you already have a windows domain controler
[06:40] <ivoks> clients are allways easy :)
[06:40] <ivoks> i don't
[06:40] <tseng> you basically just throw a few lines in pam.d and krb5.conf
[06:40] <tseng> and you are set
[06:40] <tseng> setting up your own domain is weirder
[06:40] <ivoks> but, i'll leave it on ldaps for now...
[06:40] <tseng> there are ok howtos
[06:40] <tseng> its not scary
[06:40] <ivoks> i'll have to try it once...
[06:41] <ivoks> i did install from scratch today on 20 machines
[06:41] <tseng> its not any weirder than ldap :)
[06:41] <ivoks> i did 40 yesterday
[06:41] <ivoks> with linux, stuff like this are painless :)
[06:41] <ivoks> install with netboot and kickstart
[06:42] <ivoks> login, download script, run it and wait... :)
[06:42] <tseng> i cant find any real guides on ubuntu kickstart anywhere
[06:42] <ivoks> huh?
[06:42] <ivoks> tseng: i can help you
[06:42] <ivoks> it's too easy to write a howto for it :)
[06:42] <tseng> whiprush gave me some scripts from redhat as an example
[06:42] <ivoks> tseng: well, you have tool for that :)
[06:42] <sistpoty> cya
[06:42] <ivoks> sistpoty: enjoy
[06:43] <sistpoty> thx
[06:43] <tseng> ivoks: ok, i will remember to ask you about it next week
[06:44] <tseng> i have 7 more servers to do, i already did 5
[06:44] <ivoks> tseng: install system-config-kickstart
[06:45] <tseng> hm it is broken in dapper :)
[06:46] <ivoks> ah, dapper :)
[06:46] <tseng> breezy at work
[07:00] <Gloubiboulga> hello universe
[07:06] <bmonty_laptop> hi Gloubiboulga
[07:09] <hub_> casimir ?!!!
[07:09] <Gloubiboulga> not exactly
[07:09] <hub_> ah
[07:10] <Gloubiboulga> just his favorite food
[07:10] <hub_> yeah I know
[07:11] <Gloubiboulga> I'm working on some packages
[07:11] <Gloubiboulga> what should I do to include them in universe repositories ?
[07:12] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU knows it all :)
[07:12] <Gloubiboulga> yep dholbach, I've seen this pages...
[07:12] <dholbach> ok
[07:12] <Gloubiboulga> but I have to submit some packages before
[07:13] <Gloubiboulga> i sent you an e-mail last week about this dholbach
[07:13] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: about what specifically?
[07:13] <Gloubiboulga> How to contribute
[07:13] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: before what? which packages?
[07:13] <Gloubiboulga> :)
[07:14] <Gloubiboulga> I explain :
[07:15] <Gloubiboulga> I'd like to contribute to motu, but I won't get upload rights if nobody knows how I work
[07:15] <dholbach> you upload something to REVU
[07:15] <dholbach> and somebody will review it
[07:15] <Gloubiboulga> so I guess admin can test the package I've made
[07:15] <dholbach> you only need a gpg key, which you can create youtself
[07:15] <dholbach> everybody can test it
[07:15] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[07:16] <siretart> Gloubiboulga: what packages do you work on?
[07:16] <schweeb> sup dholbach
[07:16] <Gloubiboulga> mftrace, denemo
[07:17] <dholbach> schweeb: how are you?
[07:17] <Gloubiboulga> lilypond (but it's harder)
[07:17] <schweeb> dholbach: busy trying to pay off school loans :( stupid websites are all broken
[07:18] <dholbach> :/
[07:18] <dholbach> i see
[07:18] <hub_> Gloubiboulga: if the package is already in debian, just ask to have it synced.
[07:18] <schweeb> but I got the whole membership thing all cleared up!  it actually says I'm a member in launchpad now :)
[07:19] <Gloubiboulga> ok hub_
[07:19] <\sh> oh wow...
[07:20] <hub_> hey \sh
[07:20] <schweeb> \sh: oh wow to what?
[07:21] <\sh> just found out how much money I have to pay
[07:21] <schweeb> ah, heh
[07:21] <schweeb> I've spend no less than $1000 today :P
[07:21] <schweeb> *spent
[07:22] <schweeb> and I'm about to go look at some furniture
[07:23] <\sh> the debts of my grandmother are around 10k eur....so a monthly payment of 200 eur will break my life
[07:23] <\sh> hey hub
[07:23] <schweeb> ick
[07:23] <\sh> hub: thx again for your invitation yesterday :)
[07:23] <schweeb> what's the exchange rate... is it about 1 eur ~= 1.6 USD?
[07:24] <\sh> something like this
[07:24] <hub> \sh: you're welcome
[07:25] <hub> schweeb: no. that is the rate for CAN$
[07:26] <\sh> or I have to try to do more nightshifts but this won't happen because the company will decrease all extra payments
[07:26] <hub> EUR is 1.18USD
[07:26] <schweeb> 1 CAD ~= .75 USD....  it's changed some, but that was the old rule of thumb...
[07:27] <hub> EUR is 1.4 CAD
[07:27] <hub> it was 1.6 earlier
[07:27] <hub> 1 CAD = .84 USD today
[07:27] <schweeb> maybe it's pounds I'm thinking of then
[07:28] <hub> don't think
[07:28] <hub> use a converter
[07:28] <hub> :-)
[07:28] <schweeb> trying to find one
[07:28] <hub> http://finance.yahoo.com/currency/convert?amt=1&from=CAD&to=USD&submit=Convert
[07:28] <\sh> well...
[07:28] <hub> that is the one i use
[07:29] <schweeb> hub: I would have been there in about 10 more seconds
[07:30] <schweeb> ah, apparently the Euro is less than the USD right now
[07:31] <schweeb> hub: no, I was about right, the 1 GBP = 1.74 USD
[07:32] <hub> schweeb: no. the EUR is more that the USD
[07:33] <hub> 1 EUR is 1.18 USD
[07:33] <hub> it has been for quite some time
[07:34] <LaserJock> man, this conversation would be a lot shorter if everything was in USD, but then I'm American so that would make sense to me ;-)
[07:34] <schweeb> LaserJock: indeed
[07:34] <schweeb> I just put that conversion in different
[07:34] <schweeb> er the opposite direction
[07:34] <schweeb> my brain is on vacation for the month
[07:35] <schweeb> which is bad, because it's early in the month yet
[07:35] <LaserJock> yeah, I hate unit conversion, and I'm a chemist so I should be good at it :(
[07:35] <schweeb> heh, one of my buddies is a chemist too, works for Dow
[07:43] <bmonty_laptop> hey LaserJock
[07:44] <LaserJock> hi bmonty_laptop
[07:45] <LaserJock> bmonty_laptop: looks like you've been doing some Malone work
[07:46] <bmonty_laptop> LaserJock: yeah, only two packages though
[07:47] <LaserJock> well, but you had 1/3 of the latest ubuntu-bugs digest I got ;-)
[07:48] <bmonty_laptop> heh....malone likes to generate a lot of emails :)
[07:53] <LaserJock> well, today I attempt to make my first package from scratch
[07:54] <bmonty_laptop> that sounds fun
[07:55] <bmonty_laptop> what are you packaging?
[07:55] <LaserJock> I feel bad because I am the MOTUScience "leader" and apparently in charge of a Packaging Guide for the doc team and I have never made a package from scratch before :(
[07:55] <LaserJock> It's called plotdrop
[07:56] <LaserJock> http://icculus.org/~jcspray/plotdrop/
[07:56] <bmonty_laptop> nice...icculus always seems to have nice useful apps
[07:57] <LaserJock> well, it's small, which is nice, and I think it won't give me too much trouble
[07:58] <tritium> LaserJock, there's already an ubuntu .deb on that page.  Should be trivial to modify for breezy
[07:59] <bmonty_laptop> why not dapper?
[08:00] <tritium> that's what I meant
[08:00] <LaserJock> yeah, but it was made using checkinstall
[08:00] <LaserJock> I am going to try it from scratch
[08:01] <tritium> ah, that would be better
[08:04] <LaserJock> my other excuse is that I haven't used REVU before and I would like to check it out
[08:05] <\sh> who ever told me it's 20:40 ... it's 21:40 UTC
[08:05] <\sh> 15:40 EST == 21:40 GMT-6
[08:05] <bmonty_laptop> REVU is fun :)
[08:06] <\sh> ok..and now I need some cigarettes...means cash machine frst
[08:06] <\sh> laters
[08:06] <KyralRetsam> Jeez \sh....
[08:06] <KyralRetsam> change the time  ;P
[08:06] <KyralRetsam> oh, TWO OF ME!!! Coool....no one kill the ghost
[08:07] <KyralRetsam> Oh LaserJock, want me to add myself to the people working on the packaging guide?
[08:08] <LaserJock> KyralRetsam: you can if you want, I guess. I need to get it from Unfrgiven before we can do anything
[08:08] <KyralRetsam> okay
[08:09] <KyralRetsam> btw Kyral == KyralRetsam
[08:09] <KyralRetsam> I just logged in from the lab
[08:09] <LaserJock> I saw that, itl-lab-3.sclab.clarkson.edu
[08:09] <KyralRetsam> I should have a basic debpack for FlowDevelop today, if I can remember how to make a package binary indep
[08:10] <LaserJock> cool
[08:10] <KyralRetsam> I forgot what to change in debian/control
[08:11] <bmonty_laptop> KyralRetsam: Architecture: any
[08:12] <KyralRetsam> ty
[08:12] <bmonty_laptop> sorry that should be Architecture: all
[08:12] <bmonty_laptop> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Architecture
[08:13] <KyralRetsam> Yah as soon as I get the build deps worked out I should be golden :D
[08:13] <LaserJock> so is all preferable?
[08:14] <KyralRetsam> yah for source uploads
[08:14] <LaserJock> when would you use any? when it had arch dependent stuff?
[08:14] <KyralRetsam> I dunno
[08:15] <KyralRetsam> but dh helpers complain a bit
[08:15] <KyralRetsam> ie, it won't upload the original sourceball
[08:15] <bmonty_laptop> LaserJock: I've used it to exclude 64-bit archs
[08:15] <KyralRetsam> Anyone with 64-bit arches here?
[08:16] <KyralRetsam> LaserJock, I suggest we create a MOTUScience channel
[08:17] <LaserJock> KyralRetsam: IMO I don't think we are there yet, maybe when people get back from UBZ and we are creating too much noise here
[08:17] <KyralRetsam> lol
[08:17] <KyralRetsam> Putting the package in the "Science" section
[08:17] <slomo> any creates packages for all archs, all creates one package for all archs
[08:17] <slomo> and you use all when it only contains arch-indep stuff... otherwise any
[08:17] <KyralRetsam> umkay
[08:17] <KyralRetsam> okay
[08:17] <KyralRetsam> so until it breaks on PPC or AMD64, use any :D
[08:18] <slomo> hm?
[08:18] <KyralRetsam> as arch ;P
[08:20] <slomo> doesn't matter if it breaks or not... use all when stuff built on one arch is usable on all archs... i.e. for plain python/mono stuff, documentation, scripts, etc
[08:20] <slomo> and any for stuff that creates native binaries
[08:20] <KyralRetsam> ah
[08:21] <LaserJock> slomo: makes sense to me. Thanks for clearing that up
[08:21] <KyralRetsam> okay.....what packages provides the GTK devfiles...
[08:21] <KyralRetsam> and the GNOME stuff
[08:21] <slomo> libgtk2.0-dev / libgtk-dev
[08:21] <slomo> and what gnome stuff?
[08:21] <KyralRetsam> Says it needs "Standard GNOME-2 dependencies"
[08:21] <slomo> hum
[08:22] <slomo> very precise =)
[08:22] <KyralRetsam> no kiddin' ;P
[08:22] <slomo> does this package use autotools?
[08:22] <KyralRetsam> yah, THANK GOD
[08:22] <slomo> look at configure.ac / configure.in for the actual dependencies ;)
[08:22] <slomo> you'll get the minimal version by that too
[08:23] <LaserJock> KyralRetsam: what do you have for Section in your control file?
[08:23] <KyralRetsam> science
[08:23] <hub> network manage in dapper is broken
[08:24] <LaserJock> KyralRetsam: I don't think that is right
[08:25] <KyralRetsam> Okay, tell me what is right ;P
[08:27] <slomo> what does this package do?
[08:27] <LaserJock>  FlowDesigner is a free (GPL/LGPL) data-flow oriented development environment
[08:28] <KyralRetsam> Is this a multiple binary package?
[08:28] <KyralRetsam> I'm running finddeps and it looks like it...
[08:30] <LaserJock> KyralRetsam: well you at least need to have universe/science . I think that is what we want after all
[08:31] <KyralRetsam> k
[08:31] <KyralRetsam> GTK+ is....
[08:31] <KyralRetsam> libgtk+?
[08:32] <slomo> libgtk2.0-dev
[08:32] <slomo> and put it under section dev
[08:32] <KyralRetsam> universe/dev?
[08:32] <slomo> no need to put universe/ there
[08:33] <slomo> oh wait...
[08:33] <bmonty_laptop> if the current version number is 0.9.50-2build1 and I upgrade is 0.9.80-0ubuntu1 correct?
[08:33] <slomo> what exactly is meant with data-flow oriented dev environment?
[08:33] <slomo> what kind of dev? ;;)
[08:33] <slomo> bmonty_laptop: yes and be sure you don't touch the tarball
[08:34] <KyralRetsam> Now which fftw-dev do I use?
[08:34] <KyralRetsam> fftw-dev or fftw3-dev
[08:34] <bmonty_laptop> slomo: I had to modify the upstream tarball to get rid of some CVS files
[08:34] <slomo> bmonty_laptop: leave them
[08:35] <bmonty_laptop> slomo: ok, well the files in REVU have the CVS files in them
[08:35] <bmonty_laptop> I was removing them to fix that lintian warning
[08:35] <LaserJock> slomo: I can't explain it very well. http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1123
[08:36] <slomo> bmonty_laptop: hmm... hmmm... talk to the debian maintainer... it will make syncs unnecessary hard if we or he changes the tarball ;)
[08:36] <KyralRetsam> I'm gonna take "Standard GNOME2 Deps" to mean libgnome2-dev
[08:37] <bmonty_laptop> slomo: ok
[08:37] <slomo> KyralRetsam: look at configure.{ac,in} and try to build it in pbuilder... when it builds fine there you have all deps ;)
[08:38] <KyralRetsam> yah I will
[08:38] <KyralRetsam> its what I intend to do
[08:38] <slomo> bmonty_laptop: or you could take care of the package for the remaining 0.9.80-line and change the tarball as much as you want ;)
[08:38] <slomo> KyralRetsam, LaserJock: section dev seems ok
[08:39] <slomo> and for fftw... try which one is needed
[08:39] <LaserJock> KyralRetsam: try http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4115
[08:39] <KyralRetsam> I tried that ;P
[08:40] <LaserJock> slomo: yes, I just overlooked the Development section. That is where I wanted it. Thanks
[08:41] <bmonty_laptop> slomo: the issue is if the debian maintainers upgrade and change the original source tarball will create diff problems, right?
[08:41] <bmonty_laptop> does it make more sense to give the upgraded package to the debian maintainers and then sync it in?
[08:43] <LaserJock> hi azeem!
[08:43] <KyralRetsam> Now for the changelog entry
[08:43] <KyralRetsam> what command do I want?
[08:43] <KyralRetsam> dch -v?
[08:43] <azeem> LaserJock: hi
[08:44] <bmonty_laptop> azeem: only uploaded to REVU
[08:44] <bmonty_laptop> package is gphpedit
[08:47] <\sh> http;//wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting
[08:48] <\sh> please read the agenda points and add more if you want
[08:49] <KyralRetsam> \sh
[08:49] <KyralRetsam> s/;/:
[08:51] <\sh> KyralRetsam: ?
[08:51] <KyralRetsam> the link
[08:52] <KyralRetsam> you put a ; where a : should be ;P
[08:52] <\sh> KyralRetsam: argl
[08:52] <KyralRetsam> I'm in a coding mood so I pick up on syntax errors ;P
[08:53] <KyralRetsam> FlowDesigner is building in my Dapper PBuilder as we speak
[08:53] <KyralRetsam> I'll check it against Breezy, Sid, and Sarge
[08:53] <\sh> KyralRetsam: good to hear...u will have a lot of coding to do for dapper...in a short timeframe :)
[08:54] <KyralRetsam> SIR YES SIR! *hehe*
[08:54] <KyralRetsam> LaserJock, have you heard fomr the developers yet?
[08:54] <LaserJock> KyralRetsam: nope
[08:55] <blueyed> I'd like to add the "recent" module to iptables. Is it available through apt/dpkg?
[08:55] <KyralRetsam> I think you have to recompile the kernel
[08:55] <LaserJock> KyralRetsam: I am going to email the main author directly instead of the mailing list
[08:55] <KyralRetsam> IPTables is integrated into the kernel right?
[08:56] <KyralRetsam> LaserJock, if these build you can attach the debpacks directly ;P
[08:56] <LaserJock> ? In the email?
[08:57] <KyralRetsam> Yah
[08:57] <LaserJock> yeah, ok. I will wait for you to do that
[08:57] <KyralRetsam> Keep in mind if these work, I still have to clean up debian/
[08:57] <KyralRetsam> I didn't run Lintian against it
[08:58] <KyralRetsam> this run is to just make sure I got build-deps and whatnot right
[09:01] <KyralRetsam> so \sh this meeting is at 4:40 PM EST?
[09:02] <\sh> Kyral, 15:40 montreal time...which is 21:40 UTC
[09:02] <\sh> it's 6 hours
[09:02] <farruinn> oh right, now that we're on "daylight savings"
[09:03] <\sh> yeah :)
[09:03] <farruinn> \sh: are you still in montreal?
[09:03] <\sh> farruinn, jepp....tomorrow evening we're leaving
[09:03] <KyralRetsam> yah farruinn and I are actually like 4 feet from each other right now ;P
[09:06] <KyralRetsam> whee!!
[09:06] <KyralRetsam> I actually have this screen on a projector so the entire PNYTeam can view the meeting ;P
[09:08] <KyralRetsam> yes....?
[09:08] <KyralRetsam> keep in mind that my other ghost is here as well ;P
[09:09] <KyralRetsam> dang this thing is taking a while to compile
[09:13] <slomo> KyralRetsam: how is the progress with your package? :)
[09:13] <KyralRetsam> make[2] : *** No rule to make target `all'.  Stop
[09:13] <slomo> nice ;)
[09:13] <KyralRetsam> Why do I think that has to do with my Arch setting?
[09:13] <slomo> does it work when compiling by hand?
[09:13] <slomo> hi ivoks :)
[09:14] <ivoks> hi
[09:14] <ivoks> i'm building xen :)
[09:14] <slomo> KyralRetsam: no idea... can't be caused by that unless you've done something completly wrong ;)
[09:14] <slomo> ivoks: :) will you work on good xen integration into dapper? :P
[09:15] <ivoks> slomo: i doubt that...
[09:15] <ivoks> slomo: but if help is needed...
[09:15] <ivoks> The GNOME interface is going to become the default interface on both the SLES (SuSE Linux Enterprise Server) and Novell Linux Desktop line.
[09:16] <ivoks> hehe
[09:16] <slomo> the GNOME interface for what? or GNOME itself as default desktop enviromnent?
[09:16] <ivoks> as desktop and for their tools
[09:17] <ivoks> (novell's)
[09:17] <slomo> great news :)
[09:17] <bmonty_laptop> ivoks: can you use Xen to run breezy and dapper?
[09:17] <hunger> slomo: I just hacked up some xen debs:-)
[09:18] <KyralRetsam> Xen is sexy
[09:18] <ivoks> bmonty_laptop: i intend to use it for RHEL AS 4
[09:18] <ivoks> did anyone tried flock?
[09:19] <slomo> hunger: nice :) will you upload them somewhere?
[09:19] <KyralRetsam> hmm is there anyway to tell if a package is going to produce multiple binaries?
[09:20] <hunger> slomo: I do not have webspace. I'll upload them if I find some space to do so.
[09:20] <LaserJock> KyralRetsam: have you built from the tarball?
[09:20] <ivoks> hunger: i have space
[09:20] <KyralRetsam> LaserJock, I'm doing that now
[09:20] <KyralRetsam> no pbuilder ;P
[09:20] <KyralRetsam> FlowDesigner will be built on a i686-pc-linux-gnu system to run
[09:20] <KyralRetsam> on a i686-pc-linux-gnu system, with the following options:
[09:20] <KyralRetsam> FlowDesigner will build audio_blocks toolkit
[09:20] <KyralRetsam> FlowDesigner will build effects toolkit
[09:20] <KyralRetsam> FlowDesigner will build NNet toolkit
[09:20] <KyralRetsam> FlowDesigner will build HMM toolkit
[09:20] <KyralRetsam> FlowDesigner will build VQ toolkit
[09:21] <KyralRetsam> FlowDesigner will build FuzzyEngine toolkit
[09:21] <KyralRetsam> FlowDesigner will build vflow toolkit
[09:21] <KyralRetsam> I apologize for the paste
[09:21] <hunger> ivoks: Cool:-) I just started on them today (and these are my first debs, so they will suck).
[09:21] <slomo> KyralRetsam: multiple binary packages... hmm... look at my faad2 package for example =)
[09:21] <ivoks> uh :)
[09:21] <hunger> ivoks: I'll send them your way once lintian likes them;-)
[09:21] <ivoks> uh :)
[09:21] <KyralRetsam> well, that LOOKS like it will produce multiple debs
[09:21] <slomo> hunger: did you base them on the "official" ones from the xen hp? (iirc there were some)
[09:22] <hunger> slomo: I tried to reuse those from xenophobia.
[09:23] <ivoks> we need xen in kernel
[09:23] <hunger> slomo: But I wanted to try cdbs, so I rewrote almost everything.
[09:23] <ivoks> that way i wouldn't have to kill my 20 days uptime on laptop :)
[09:23] <hunger> ivoks: ... and the glibc patch for TLS if it is not already there.
[09:23] <magnon> dholbach <3
[09:24] <bmonty_laptop> ivoks: would you mind taking a look at the debdiff on #3082 and uploading if it is ok?
[09:24] <ivoks> bmonty_laptop: i'll hit bugs and uploads as soon as UBZ finishes
[09:24] <slomo> bmonty_laptop: give me the url and i'll take a look
[09:24] <ivoks> bmonty_laptop: when i get feedback on some desicions
[09:25] <bmonty_laptop> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/debian-helper-scripts/+bug/3082
[09:25] <bmonty_laptop> slomo: I sent an email to the debian maintainers for gphpedit
[09:26] <slomo> bmonty_laptop: looks fine... i'll upload it after a deeper look in a few minutes
[09:26] <hunger> How do I find out what actually made it into the debs I created?
[09:26] <bmonty_laptop> slomo: k, thanks....it was a simple fix
[09:26] <slomo> yes
[09:26] <bmonty_laptop> hunger: use debdiff
[09:26] <bmonty_laptop> or dpkg-deb -c
[09:29] <hunger> bmonty_laptop: Ah... that's it. I have been trying deb-dpkg :-)
[09:30] <dholbach> magnon: :)
[09:30] <LaserJock> in a copyright file, do I need a year?
[09:31] <slomo> yes
[09:31] <slomo> bmonty_laptop: uploaded
[09:31] <LaserJock> what year do I use? I mean where would I find that info? Do I just use 2005?
[09:32] <slomo> LaserJock: it should be written somewhere in the sources... normally you'll find something like "Copyright (c) year, years name"
[09:33] <LaserJock> slomo: well what if that info isn't there?
[09:33] <hunger> Arrg! xen's build system SUCKS!
[09:33] <ivoks> ?
[09:33] <ivoks> it rocks
[09:34] <slomo> LaserJock: run away an cry ;)
[09:34] <hunger> ivoks: Each tool subdir uses a differnt rule-name to build stuff.
[09:35] <slomo> LaserJock: or leave the year out
[09:35] <KyralRetsam> 5 minutes to meeting!
[09:35] <LaserJock> slomo: hmm, the COPYING file in the source is just a copy of the GPL
[09:36] <slomo> LaserJock: look at the actual sourcefiles
[09:36] <ivoks> see you... bye
[09:37] <LaserJock> slomo: they say, look at the COPYING file
[09:37] <bmonty_laptop> slomo: thanks
[09:37] <slomo> LaserJock: who is they?
[09:38] <LaserJock> slomo: the sourcefiles
[09:38] <slomo> LaserJock: nice ;) then leave the year out...
[09:38] <KyralRetsam> LaserJock, what are you working on?
[09:39] <hub> dholbach: when is the MOTU BOF?
[09:39] <LaserJock> KyralRetsam: plotdrop. it is on gnomefiles too
[09:39] <KyralRetsam> cool
[09:39] <dholbach> hub: should be now or something
[09:39] <KyralRetsam> another package for MOTUScience!
[09:39] <KyralRetsam> We should run through GNOMEFiles on recon soon
[09:39] <hub> dholbach: 'cause I'm waiting after magnon to come bac
[09:40] <LaserJock> KyralRetsam: that is why I put it on the MOTUScience wiki ;-)
[09:40] <magnon> motu is now yeah
[09:40] <hub> dholbach: where is it?
[09:41] <KyralRetsam> here
[09:41] <KyralRetsam> I thnk
[09:41] <magnon> where the hell is here
[09:41] <hub> here
[09:41] <magnon> no, the BOF
[09:41] <magnon> siretart: joining the motu bof?
[09:41] <magnon> dholbach: where!=
[09:41] <ajmitch> magnon: we're in the main room, not sure if we're moving
[09:41] <\sh> ok
[09:42] <\sh> we're joining #buntu-meeting ?
[09:42] <KyralRetsam> so the IRC Meeting is gonna happen at the same time as the BOF or am I just very confused
[09:42] <magnon> I can't see you
[09:42] <\sh> yes
[09:42] <KyralRetsam> so here?
[09:42] <KyralRetsam> or #ubuntu-meeting?
[09:42] <\sh> ubuntu meeting
[09:43] <\sh> magnon: #ubuntu-meeting
[09:44] <hunger> I think I am too stupid for cdbs. I'll better redo this in a more conventional way.
[09:45] <KyralRetsam> does "any" in Arch entry have to be capitialized?
[09:45] <Mithrandir> KyralRetsam: no, it should not be.
[09:45] <KyralRetsam> okay...
[09:46] <magnon> Ubuntu MOTU meeting => #ubuntu-meeting
[09:46] <hunger> How do I do conffiles in multi binary environments?
[09:46] <crimsun> tritium: ping, #ubuntu-meeting
[09:47] <tritium> thanks, crimsun
[09:47] <zakame> hello all
[09:47] <\sh> #buntu-meeting if u want to attend the meeting
[09:49] <koke> #ubuntu-meeting ;)
[09:50] <KyralRetsam> should I make FlowDesigner Arch: any or Arch: all
[09:52] <LaserJock> KyralRetsam: from what I understand, you want any
[09:52] <KyralRetsam> yah
[09:53] <zakame> KyralRetsam: Arch: all is for those architecture-independent types of programs :)
[09:53] <KyralRetsam> which mean.....
[09:54] <zakame> if a package involves some gcc compiling, then it's most likely an arch: any package
[09:54] <KyralRetsam> Yah....its GCC :P
[09:54] <LaserJock> ones, like python that are arch independent. C/C++ progs on the other hand will make arch dependent binarys
[09:54] <tritium> crimsun, normally, nothing takes me away from N.D. football, but I'll make an exception today ;)
[09:54] <KyralRetsam> so arch any or arch all
[09:57] <crimsun> it is impossible to tell who's saying what at the bof, which is unfortunate
[09:57] <KyralRetsam> so if it uses GCC, then make it Arch: Any?
[09:58] <LaserJock> KyralRetsam: that is what I think
[09:58] <KyralRetsam> kk
[09:58] <zakame> Kyral: yep
[09:58] <KyralRetsam> it compiles clean outta the tarball
[09:59] <hunger> Hmmm... how do I move files from one deb into another during build?
[09:59] <crimsun> dh_movefiles
[10:03] <KyralRetsam> Wow...this is as clear as mud
[10:03] <zakame> haha
[10:03] <LaserJock> no kidding
[10:03] <crimsun> essentially the issue is that we have a ton of packages to handle via merge
[10:04] <KyralRetsam> Umm, guys at UBZ, like
[10:04] <KyralRetsam> make a meeting to summerize the MOTUBof
[10:04] <KyralRetsam> because this is really really making no sense ;P
[10:04] <crimsun> we want to reduce that number of merged packages by pushing changes upstream (at least to Debian if not upstream upstream)
[10:04] <zakame> crimsun: yep, more than 15k I believe?
[10:04] <crimsun> that way we convert those merges to simple syncs from Debian
[10:05] <crimsun> (a merge being a Ubuntu-specific change, i.e., any package with -XubuntuY versioning)
[10:05] <KyralRetsam> they are called debdiffs ;P
[10:06] <crimsun> debdiffs are more general, since they can be used in any situation
[10:06] <KyralRetsam> oh you want a solution for Ubuntu to Debian things
[10:06] <bmonty_laptop> crimsun: so the main idea is to get debain maintainers to accept our fixes and then sync them into ubuntu?
[10:07] <KyralRetsam> s/ubuntu/debian?
[10:07] <crimsun> bmonty_laptop: partly, yes
[10:07] <slomo> wasn't there this utnubu project which wanted to get ubuntu changes back into debian?
[10:07] <slomo> did they silently die?
[10:07] <zakame> hmmm, that would somewhat require us to get patches up to debian's bts
[10:07] <magnon> you guys should talk in #ubuntu-meeting if you have comments to our agenda and discussion
[10:07] <crimsun> I'm just clarifying the situation, since there was confusion.
[10:07] <KyralRetsam> someone channel this into that
[10:10] <KyralRetsam> hmm
[10:10] <KyralRetsam> it compiles clean from tarball
[10:10] <KyralRetsam> but not in pbuilder
[10:10] <zakame> KyralRetsam: prolly missing dep?
[10:10] <KyralRetsam> no
[10:10] <KyralRetsam> its complaining about a makerule
[10:12] <zakame> KyralRetsam: what's the rule?
[10:13] <KyralRetsam> no rule to make target "all"
[10:13] <zakame> in what directory did this happen?
[10:14] <KyralRetsam> vflow
[10:14] <tritium> What's this UVF I keep seeing?
[10:14] <zakame> upstream version freeze
[10:14] <tritium> ah
[10:18] <KyralRetsam> It doesn't even look like ./configure is being run
[10:18] <zakame> hmm, isn't that supposed to be in your debian/rules?
[10:18] <KyralRetsam> yah...
[10:19] <KyralRetsam> and it looks like it too
[10:27] <KyralRetsam> yanno I'm gonna start over right now :P
[10:47] <magnon> ok
[10:47] <magnon> MOTU dinner in montreal
[10:47] <magnon> everyone's welcome
[10:47] <magnon> :D
[10:47] <crimsun> yeah, let me just strap on my jet shoes
[10:47] <KyralRetsam> Will you drive me?
[10:47] <zakame> eat for us ;)
[10:47] <magnon> I'm in montreal already, sorry
[10:48] <slomo> magnon: will you get a flight ticket for me? ;)
[10:48] <KyralRetsam> damn you to hell!
[10:48] <magnon> mm, I just have enough to pay the hotel, sorry
[10:48] <KyralRetsam> naywy time to get outta dodge
[10:48] <\sh> sladen: we have to sign keys
[11:09] <zakame> hmm is revu down?
[11:09] <bmonty_laptop> works for me
[11:10] <zakame> oh, yes, its up, damn dialup lag :(
[11:11] <zakame> seems that many reviewers are busy, my upload hasn't been reviewed yet :(
[11:22] <hunger> Any idea why dpatch might fail? patch -p1 works.
[11:22] <hunger> dpatch says the patch was rejected and creates a .rej for the file I want patched.
[11:23] <crimsun> err
[11:23] <crimsun> did you dpatchify the diff?
[11:23] <zakame> is the file involved changed during prebuild, before dpatching?
[11:24] <hunger> crimsun: Yes. the unchanged thing works.
[11:24] <hunger> zakame: this is the one and only patch that gets applied.
[11:24] <crimsun> must be changed during clean or something, as zakame alluded to
[11:24] <crimsun> and you're in the top-level of the source, I presume?
[11:24] <hunger> zakame: The file is in exactly the state I want it to be (unpatched). When calling dpatch apply-all it fails.
[11:26] <zakame> hub: what does the .rej look like?
[11:27] <hub> zakame: ?
[11:27] <hub> zs
[11:27] <hub> zakame: you mean hunger?
[11:27] <zakame> hub: oops, I meant hunger, sorry :)
[11:27] <zakame> hunger: : what does the .rej look like?
[11:27] <hunger> zakame: i do not see anything strange in it.
[11:28] <siretart> zakame: hardly, I'm via ssh on tiber
[11:28] <zakame> siretart: ???
[11:28] <zakame> hunger: can you apply the .rej manually, as in hunk by hunk?
[11:29] <hunger> zakame: I think so...
[11:29] <\sh> siretart: i don't have a mail from u
[11:30] <siretart> \sh: 2005-11-05 22:59:49 1EYW4d-00066t-Ux => sh@linux-server.org R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp H=mail.linux-server.org [80.237.233.3]  X=TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32
[11:30] <siretart> \sh: ?
[11:30] <siretart> zakame: you said tiber was down
[11:30] <\sh> siretart: argl...sh@sourcecode.de
[11:31] <\sh> now i have to setup my account for sh@linux-server.org
[11:31] <zakame> siretart: yes, i did, but it was my connection acting up, sorry
[11:31] <siretart> \sh: shall I resend the mail?
[11:32] <\sh> siretart: would be nice :)
[11:33] <zakame> hunger: hmmm, maybe your dpatch is not patching to the right file...
[11:33] <hunger> zakame: I somehow messed up the patch.
[11:36] <hunger> zakame: I recreated the dpatch. Now it works. I can not see any diff, but something did go wrong with the last conversion.
[11:36] <zakame> hunger: wtg :D
[11:38] <bmonty_laptop> can someone help with some questions on ongoing-merge?
[11:39] <bmonty_laptop> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/liblockfile-simple-perl/
[11:39] <bmonty_laptop> clear
[11:39] <slomo> is MoM running again? and does it fill bugreports? ;)
[11:40] <bmonty_laptop> not sure
[11:41] <bmonty_laptop> i'm confused because the merge page seems to show that there is an ubuntu version of the latest from debian, but it doesn't appear to be in the archive
[11:42] <siretart> \sh: now you should have it
[11:43] <\sh> siretart: yeppp
[11:43] <\sh> thx
[11:53] <_thierry> where do we post the patchs for the packages https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseDesktopFileAbsolutePath
[11:53] <_thierry> ?
[11:53] <crimsun> _thierry: malone
[11:53] <crimsun> I'm around doing fixing, so I'll look if you give me a bug #
[11:54] <crimsun> bmonty_laptop: archive only has 0.2.5-4ubuntu1
[11:54] <_thierry> crimsun : ok but are the bugs already open, or do I need to open one for each package?
[11:54] <crimsun> bmonty_laptop: where's the discrepancy?
[11:54] <crimsun> _thierry: no need to open new ones, just give me a debdiff
[11:54] <_thierry> crimsun : by e-mail?
[11:55] <crimsun> _thierry: posted on the Web is best so that I can wget
[11:55] <crimsun> _thierry: otherwise, an e-mail attachment suffices
[11:57] <_thierry> crimsun : well I don't have web site but if you can give me somewhere to post on... otherwise, what is your e-mail adress?
[11:57] <crimsun> _thierry: crimsun at fungus dot sh dot nu
[11:58] <_thierry> crimsun : k thanks