[12:11] <Mars> Mars I have already installed kx docker
[12:11] <Mars> Mars Is taht good choice or there is beter Mac docker?
[12:11] <Mars> Mars And main thing how can i configure it?
[12:12] <Mars> Oh
[12:12] <Mars> I founs
[12:15] <kairu0> hey all
[12:25] <Niomi> hm, this is a long shot, but is there a way to switch GUIs without exiting your programs? i want to switch from gnome to KDE.
[12:26] <nalioth> Niomi: not unless your programs are console proggys running in a screen session
[12:27] <Niomi> didn't think so, but i thought it was worth asking. out of curiosity, how do you keep your console/terminal session between GUIs?
[12:28] <SuperGuppy> hi guys
[12:28] <Juerd> Niomi: There is a way.
[12:28] <Juerd> Niomi: It's not easy.
[12:28] <SuperGuppy> looks like I'm switchint to Kubuntu now that suse is going GNOME
[12:29] <nalioth> Niomi: screen is neat li't program that survives everything but a complete shutdown
[12:29] <Juerd> Niomi: Start /usr/bin/startkde
[12:29] <Juerd> Niomi: Then kill off all gnome programs still running
[12:29] <Juerd> Niomi: Start /usr/bin/startkde again
[12:29] <Juerd> Niomi: Kill all KDE programs that were started twice
[12:29] <nalioth> Niomi: http://jmcpherson.org/screen.html
[12:32] <Mars^> shit i cant put kxdocker to the top of screec :/
[12:32] <Mars^> screen *
[12:33] <kairu0> SuperGuppy, what do you think about suse switching to gnome?
[12:35] <Niomi> thanks juerd and nalioth, i'm going to have to play around with these for a bit :)
[12:36] <nalioth> Niomi: here is another window into screen (scroll down on the page) http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2004/07/06/unix_gems.html
[12:38] <Niomi> nalioth, oh, thank you! yay, pictures! XD
[12:39] <nalioth> Niomi: i love my "gnu screen"
[12:39] <nalioth> Niomi: of course, i'm a console cowboy
[12:40] <Niomi> nalioth: console cowboy.. what an image, hehe
[12:40] <nalioth> console is lightning quick
[12:40] <nalioth> console has minimal system footprint
[12:40] <Niomi> nalioth: i'm currently too much of a pansy for the CLI but i really want to learn it and get used to it eventually.
[12:41] <Niomi> but right now anything without a GUI or a program which involves something more complicated than clicking 'next' a lot is intimidating.
[12:42] <nalioth> Niomi: here is a good read, then. http://www.cmm.uklinux.net/steve/ntt.html
[12:42] <nalioth> Niomi: mice cause carpal tunnel
[12:43] <Niomi> oh, this definatly looks like good reading.
[12:44] <nalioth> Niomi: i'm full of good links
[12:44] <Niomi> i didn't have problems with RSI until i got my laptop.. those touch pads are evil. i'm really looking forward to being fluent with the CLI
[12:47] <Niomi> that, and tetris.. er, gnometris. i got addicted to it. pounding those arrow keys bother my wrists. XD
[12:48] <_root> hi people
[12:49] <Niomi> hi :)
[12:50] <nalioth> Niomi: there is *tris for console
[12:51] <nalioth> Niomi: time to become a console cowboy now? :)
[12:52] <Niomi> i did get a *tris for console, it took me a bit to figure out why it wasn't in the 'games' menu, hehe!
[12:52] <nalioth> heh
[12:54] <firephoto> how do I enable the page-up completion/search of the bash history (not a default apparently)
[12:55] <Niomi> oh, that would be a good tip
[01:07] <Delvien> Do i have to install TOTEM to get mpeg playback? 
[01:08] <nalioth> Delvien: you do not
[01:09] <Delvien> nalioth what is the procedure for getting mpegs to play, somehow they dont, i accidently removed KDE yesterday and im missing something i think
[01:09] <nalioth> !multimedia
[01:09] <ubotu> I heard multimedia is for codecs,  http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch03.html#sect-music-and-movies ; and for applications, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[01:10] <SHRIKEE> sup nalioth 
[01:10] <SHRIKEE> its me fujisan
[01:10] <SHRIKEE> nalioth do you know Eric Cordly?
[01:10] <nalioth> SHRIKEE: i know no one
[01:10] <SHRIKEE> lol
[01:11] <Delvien> thanks nalioth
[01:18] <dennis_p> Well, this is me on kubuntu. Too bad about the insane Debian insatllation questions but it works. Now to install mythtv, well maybe sleep first.
[01:20] <kairu0> oh what do you need sleep for
[01:20] <kairu0> kubuntu is your new life
[01:21] <OtisTick> guys, does KDE offer a config panel for the gfx h/w or do I have to dive into some XFree86 (or similar) config file to set my card parameters ?
[01:21] <OtisTick> I remember years ago on a Mandrake install that I had to fool around with X config files
[01:21] <OtisTick> wasn't fun
[01:22] <kairu0> OtisTick, you can set your resolution within kde
[01:22] <kairu0> OtisTick, you cant change your video driver
[01:22] <firephoto> the xorg.conf is pretty forgiving now days.
[01:22] <OtisTick> I saw the resolution settings
[01:22] <kairu0> OtisTick, and refresh rate
[01:22] <OtisTick> kairu0: thanks but not what I need
[01:22] <OtisTick> I have to check that the drivers are ok
[01:23] <OtisTick> I'll go and look at xorg.conf
[01:23] <OtisTick> firephoto: thanks !
[01:25] <firephoto> OtisTick: it should be pretty straight forward with the pre configured xorg.conf. mine looks pretty sane here. ;)
[01:25] <dennis_p> kairu0: yeah who needs sleep :-)
[01:25] <OtisTick> firephoto: I really get the feeling there's no h/w accel happening
[01:26] <OtisTick> I'll snoop around, cheers
[01:26] <firephoto> OtisTick: same here. i have a savage chipset (thinkpad) and the dri stuff seemed to install but it's not working.
[01:27] <firephoto> one the new xorg rolls out it won't be an issue since 6.9/7.0 has the new savage and mesa drivers.
[01:27] <kairu0> firephoto, my dri worked, but slowly, so i compiled my own badass video driver
[01:28] <firephoto> i haven't looked into in depth yet. just tweaking things to get it to be how i'm used to now (gentoo) heh
[01:28] <firephoto> have to learn to live with (use) sudo too i guess.
[01:29] <firephoto> i figured my pageup/dwn issue. had to edit /etc/inputrc
[01:30] <OtisTick> firephoto: when is that expected ?
[01:31] <hc> Aloha.... I just got ubuntu up running, and was wondering which codecs I should get .... so i can hear wma or what ever all these different things are called
[01:31] <firephoto> OtisTick: no idea..... there could already be packges for the rc somewhere for all i know. my kubuntu experience is less than 12 hours and ubuntu experience was about 15 minutes with a live cd a couple months ago. lol
[01:31] <OtisTick> haha
[01:31] <OtisTick> excellent
[01:31] <kairu0> hc: w32codecs, and vlc for wmv
[01:31] <OtisTick> I just managed to get this box online today
[01:32] <OtisTick> I was trying to get eth0 to talk to the net when in fact I should have been configuring eth1
[01:32] <firephoto> i ditched opensuse on the laptop after it got a little messed up with the 10.1alpha update. worked fine, just couldn't update or downgrade stuff. my big boxes are all gentoo though.
[01:32] <OtisTick> no indication anywhere about what h/w eth0 or eth1 were working on
[01:32] <OtisTick> *grrrr*
[01:32] <OtisTick> ok
[01:33] <CzarAlex> Since I have installed Kubuntu-desktop, how do I remove Gnome? What command do I run in the terminal?
[01:33] <nalioth> ubotu: tell hc about w32codecs
[01:33] <OtisTick> CzarAlex: in Synaptic you should be able to uninstall Gnome
[01:34] <nalioth> CzarAlex: why remove it? are you short on HD space?
[01:34] <OtisTick> (I think)
[01:34] <CzarAlex> nalioth, No, but I hear that having gdm and kde on the same system can cause an error with the hotplug system recognizing USB storage devices
[01:34] <OtisTick> I also installed KDE ... should I use Synaptic or Adept ?
[01:35] <nalioth> CzarAlex: that's the first i've heard of that
[01:35] <hc> Thanks.. I just need a new source.list I guess.. or whatever that thingie is calle
[01:35] <CzarAlex> nalioth, and Im having that problem. Lemme find the post.
[01:35] <OtisTick> I hadn't noticed Adept before, Synaptic was in the original install ... where did Adept come from ?
[01:35] <nalioth> OtisTick: adept is a kde program
[01:35] <OtisTick> ok ...
[01:35] <OtisTick> so is there a rule of thumb which package manager to use ?
[01:36] <firephoto> adept is pretty nice, simple and lightweight it seems like.
[01:36] <PJeremy> OtisTick: both are just graphical frontends of apt
[01:36] <nalioth> OtisTick: adept is the kde pkg manager
[01:37] <OtisTick> nalioth: I heard you first time
[01:38] <CzarAlex> nalioth, here is the issue im having http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=74461 . I was able to use my USB thumb drives in hoary, but breezy doesn't like it. and it appears as if Im not the only one with the problem (which is a relief to me at least..) Post #12 (on the second page of the thread) indicates that having both gdm and kde can cause the problem, and since i dont use gnome on this machine, i thought I would take it o
[01:38] <CzarAlex> ff and see if this helps my cause.
[01:38] <OtisTick> PJeremy: thanks, that clears it up for me
[01:39] <dennis_p> Ah found the kubuntu faq at http://kudos.berlios.de/
[01:39] <nalioth> CzarAlex: just remove gdm
[01:39] <CzarAlex> nalioth, from synaptic? the gdm package?
[01:40] <nalioth> CzarAlex: whatever means you prefer
[01:40] <CzarAlex> nalioth, which ever doesnt break my system. :)
[01:42] <nalioth> CzarAlex: you use kdm as your windowmangler?
[01:42] <CzarAlex> nalioth, I do.
[01:42] <psyke83> Question: I understand the 2.6 kernel has a new NTFS driver that supports RW on static-sized files, right? Well, I'm wondering if it's possible to install Linux on a Windows XP machine into a loopback file (meaning I won't have to repartition), is this possible?
[01:43] <OtisTick> firephoto: hey hey hey ... nvidia-glx ... I'll install that
[01:43] <nalioth> CzarAlex: go for it
[01:43] <CzarAlex> nalioth, thank you.
[01:49] <dennis_p> should i try sudo apt-get install linux-686
[01:52] <dennis_p> well I'm doing it now because this is not a 386 pc :-)
[01:53] <dennis_p> you know upgrading kernel means a restart, pff I thought you didn't have to restarts linux all the time :-)
[01:53] <hc> well, anyone of you have a copy of your Souce.list in... so i can grab some more things with apt-get..........?
[01:54] <PJeremy> !sources
[01:54] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[01:55] <dennis_p> Oh my, am I running hoary or breezy?
[01:56] <nalioth> ubotu: tell hc about sources
[01:56] <nalioth> dennis_p: open a terminal and type "cat /etc/issue"
[01:57] <dennis_p> breezy badger
[02:00] <dennis_p> Well it's 02:00 I'll reboot to check my new kernel and go to sleep bye :-)
[02:04] <unidad23> a
[02:06] <Delvien> Anyway to get the battery icon from gnome onto KDE ?
[02:06] <nalioth> kde has a battery monitor, iirc
[02:07] <Delvien> nalioth oh , know the addy?
[02:07] <Delvien> klaptop isnt doing it for me
[02:09] <nalioth> Delvien: i geuss thats the one i was thinking of
[02:09] <Delvien> nalioth its not as nice as gnome battery 
[02:10] <Delvien> plus i hate klaptop but there is nothing else for KDE that has more options
[02:10] <nalioth> Delvien: in adept, search for "battery"
[02:11] <OtisTick> hi again ... so I have loaded NVIDIA drivers using apt-get ... I'm not seeing any immediate improvement to my desktop's responsiveness .... where do I have to look now ?
[02:11] <OtisTick> I found a nvidia-settings app but it doesn't provide much
[02:12] <OtisTick> the Display pannel still just allows me to change definitions ... nothing very usefule there either
[02:12] <OtisTick> so, where can I check next what's up with these drivers ?
[02:13] <nalioth> ubotu: tell OtisTick about fixres
[02:15] <OtisTick> nalioth: thanks !
[02:15] <nalioth> OtisTick: np
[02:16] <Delvien> nalioth bah nothing what im looking for , guess ill just have to mod it !
[02:23] <kairu0> ...to save the day
[02:23] <Delvien> hmm why wont my usb keyboard work if i dont reboot my pc when i plug it in?
[02:25] <kairu0> Delvien, so you are plugging in the keyboard while using X?
[02:26] <Delvien> kairu0 X as in KDE? 
[02:26] <kairu0> Delvien, yes
[02:26] <Delvien> kairu0 yes
[02:26] <Delvien> kairu0 So X cant be running when i plug in a USB? thats crazy
[02:27] <kairu0> Delvien, just a guess, but with your mouse uses a special device called /dev/input/mice that automagically works with usb,ps2,etc. but your keyboard uses an older Xfree86 driver thats not as smart
[02:27] <Delvien> kairu0 i would of thought linux had usb support, plug and play kinda thing support
[02:27] <kairu0> theres gotta be a way to do it
[02:29] <Delvien> kairu0 hmm well im working on a laptop , so i have a keyboard that works out of the box, it is just wierd i cant plug in a USB keyboard and have it work.
[02:30] <Delvien> and its worked b4 so: )
[02:31] <kairu0> its worked b4 plug and play?
[02:31] <Delvien> idk
[02:31] <kairu0> ...in kde?
[02:31] <Delvien> usually when i plug it in the computer is off
[02:31] <Delvien> Laptops are wonderful 
[02:32] <Delvien> better than a desktop in alot of ways
[02:32] <kairu0> i know. i use one too
[02:32] <Delvien> what kind
[02:32] <kairu0> sony vaio f series
[02:32] <Delvien> o :(
[02:32] <kairu0> wide screen ;)
[02:32] <Delvien> Dell i6000d wide screen here
[02:33] <Delvien> 15.4
[02:33] <kairu0> i love wide screen
[02:33] <Delvien> me too hehe , plus they are really sharp in color and brightness
[02:33] <kairu0> so much better for word processing and spreadsheets
[02:33] <kairu0> yeah they are
[02:34] <kairu0> i stopped using gnome because of my wide screen
[02:34] <Delvien> why?
[02:34] <kairu0> you know, theres two panels and both of em have lots of open space in the middle
[02:34] <kairu0> the open space is even wider on wide screen
[02:34] <kairu0> :)
[02:35] <Delvien> i dont get why you stopped using gnome though? because of the taskbar and app bar? 
[02:37] <kairu0> yeah. they wasted too much space with empty grayness
[02:38] <Delvien> oh hehe, i use the same kind of thing in KDE, i have the one main bar at top and the app bar at the bottom
[02:38] <Delvien>  i like Gnome ALOT, but KDE has better bluetooth support built in, and that was my main problem with Gnome
[02:38] <Delvien> god damn microsoft mouse for bluetooth !! 
[02:39] <Delvien> works flawlessly in windows, but linux, I cant use forward/back buttons, and my scroll wheel doesnt work, 
[02:41] <kairu0> lol
[02:41] <kairu0> microsoft mice are blootooth??
[02:41] <Delvien> they have 2
[02:41] <kairu0> thats fucked up
[02:41] <Delvien> version 1 and version 2, i have version 2
[02:42] <Delvien> nice mouse, very comfortable, but has support issues
[02:42] <kairu0> i'd never buy a bluetooth mouse
[02:42] <kairu0> i use an ibm mouse and it is really durable, but not wireless
[02:42] <nalioth> kairu0: please, you're soiling my virgin screen
[02:42] <Delvien> they use a special bluetooth translation or soemthing, and it doesnt communicate the special buttons to linux well
[02:42] <kairu0> nalioth, lol sorry
[02:43] <Delvien> kairu0 Wireless is great, since i only use a laptop, and i have internal bluetooth , so i dont have to use any USB adaptors, connects right to my laptop ootb
[02:43] <kairu0> i see
[02:44] <kairu0> in japan, its really hard to find new laptops with builtin wireless
[02:44] <kairu0> so i dont :)
[02:44] <kairu0> hey LeeJunFan 
[02:44] <Delvien> hey leejun :)
[02:44] <Delvien> kairu0 order off the internet :)
[02:44] <LeeJunFan> hello
[02:45] <nalioth> kairu0: your kiddin right?
[02:45] <Delvien> kairu0 sony i beleive the f series you have has bluetooth, there is a way to connect it internally, but that means opening up the laptop
[02:45] <kairu0> nalioth, no
[02:45] <kairu0> Delvien, "connect it internally?"
[02:45] <Delvien> nalioth japanese laptops are concieved on the Small form factor, bare bones systems to make them lighter
[02:46] <nalioth> kairu0: you're tellin us that japan (leader in cool tech) has a shortage of wireless enabled laptops?
[02:46] <Delvien> kairu0 make it so you dont have to have a USB dongle
[02:46] <Delvien> nalioth no no , bluetooth , 
[02:46] <nalioth> ah, bt
[02:46] <kairu0> nalioth, for that matter most new laptops only have 256mb ram (its kind of assumed that if you want more you'll request it)
[02:46] <Delvien> BT is mostly american euro
[02:47] <Delvien> kairu0 thats why SFF sucks
[02:47] <kairu0> SFF?
[02:47] <Delvien> small form factor
[02:47] <kairu0> oh ok
[02:47] <Delvien> teenee tiny laptops that are crappy
[02:48] <kairu0> one of my criterium for a new laptop was builtin wifi, but it was too hard to find. i looked at sony, toshiba, and nec but none of em had it (unless I doubled my budget)
[02:48] <Delvien> when did you look?
[02:48] <Delvien> 3 years ago?
[02:49] <kairu0> 3 months ago
[02:49] <Delvien> hmm
[02:49] <kairu0> and this was Akihabara dude
[02:50] <Delvien> no built in wifi over there? you sure you were looking for the right thing?
[02:50] <kairu0> aka the mecca of japanese electronics
[02:50] <kairu0> oh yes. everyone i've seen does it with a pc card
[02:50] <Delvien> mini PC card? 
[02:50] <kairu0> type 2
[02:50] <Delvien> some call it a mini wlan card
[02:51] <Delvien> They will hardly ever say "internal ," or "built in"
[02:51] <Delvien> if it didnt say PCMCIA it is internal
[02:51] <Delvien> well or USB
[02:52] <kairu0> i know how to shop for notebooks. i'd read the tag, and nearly all of em had a space for WIFI that was blank
[02:52] <Delvien> thats wierd
[02:52] <kairu0> and to be sure, i'd ask the salesman who confirmed it
[02:53] <Delvien> I know this is like commiting a crime, but did you look at Dell.jp.com? i think thats the URL
[02:53] <kairu0> i think what it comes down to is that  custom configurations arent common, so anything above the factory build is your responsibility
[02:53] <nalioth> the wifi card that is the size of a memory stick doesnt work?
[02:54] <Delvien> nalioth im sure he doesnt want a dongle hanging out all the time
[02:54] <kairu0> nalioth, those work too
[02:55] <Delvien> http://www1.jp.dell.com/content/default.aspx?c=jp&l=jp&s=gen, can pick what you want ( for the most part ) in your system
[02:55] <kairu0> Delvien, dell outlet stores are new in japan and have no stock
[02:55] <kairu0> Delvien, so you can order anything, but you dont get it until 2 weeks later
[02:56] <Delvien> kairu0 why would you go to a retail store to get a laptop? if its not what you want, 1) you probibly pay more 2) you can wait 2 weeks for something you want for your money
[02:56] <Delvien> the wait is worth it
[02:56] <Delvien> kairu0 im not trying to argue with you, im  just saying, why pay for something that isnt exactly what you were looking for ?
[02:57] <nalioth> Delvien: these arent dongles, they are the same size as a memory card and completely are internal, when in use
[02:57] <kairu0> cuz i dont like to wait 2 weeks when i want it now
[02:57] <nalioth> Delvien: they were designed for Palm PDAs
[02:57] <Delvien> nalioth i thought you were talking about usb :P
[02:57] <Delvien> i got mine in 4 days
[02:57] <kairu0> Delvien, besides, i dont have a credit card in japan so i cant order online
[02:58] <Delvien> ah
[02:58] <kairu0> it takes 2 weeks here
[02:58] <Delvien> you can buy mini pci wifi cards and install it yourself, im not sure about the F series, so youll have to do some reasearch
[02:59] <kairu0> Delvien, i already have a type 2 card 
[02:59] <Delvien> type 2 card? that might be a sony thing,  i dont know what that is
[03:00] <gdh> whee =)
[03:00] <Delvien> hello
[03:01] <kairu0> Delvien, i mean pcmcia type 2 card
[03:01] <Delvien> kairu0 k i gotcha now
[03:01] <kairu0> Delvien, good :)
[03:03] <kairu0> Delvien, now i just need a better network configuration
[03:04] <Delvien>  :)
[03:04] <Delvien> 108 dynamic G here , 
[03:04] <kairu0> Delvien, since i'm usually not plugged in to a wired network, i wait for eth0 to time out every time i boot
[03:04] <Delvien> disable eth0 and enable it when you plug in
[03:04] <kairu0> i could do that
[03:04] <kairu0> maybe i'll use ifplugd again
[03:05] <Delvien> i always run on wirless unless i am in windows playing games
[03:05] <gdh> kairu0: I've not followed the thread - you can always press ctrl-c instead of waiting for eth0 to timeout on DHCP :)
[03:05] <kairu0> gdh, i want a more intelligent configuration 
[03:05] <Delvien> BF2 takes alot out of wireless, that 108mb isnt as stable as wired
[03:05] <gdh> kairu0: hehe fair enough :)
[03:05] <kairu0> :)
[03:06] <kairu0> but the problem thats more pressing than that is that i cant type spanish accents although i can type french
[03:06] <kairu0> i have a problem with "dead" keys
[03:06] <nalioth> kairu0: put the "character palette" into your panel
[03:06] <nalioth> kairu0: it's a panel applet
[03:06] <kairu0> nalioth, i'd rather use the keyboard
[03:07] <kairu0> and i CAN type them in gtk apps..just not in qt.
[03:07] <kairu0> one time i saw an error about an unresolved symbol in qt3 keyboard.so
[03:07] <gdh> Is 'Alt Gr' not your 'Compose' key? e.g. pressing AltGR and = then c not give you  ?
[03:08] <kairu0> what is Alt Gr?
[03:08] <gdh> the 'right alt' key
[03:08] <kairu0> nope it doesnt
[03:08] <kairu0> it gives me backslash
[03:09] <gdh> maybe I've pished about with settings then :)
[03:09] <gdh> You can certainly make AltGR your Compose key in kcontrol
[03:09] <gdh> (I use GNOME now but I like this channel better than #ubuntu :)
[03:10] <kairu0> i need to type all sorts of accents though
[03:10] <kairu0> like   
[03:10] <gdh> Yeh, compose is the gateway to just about every accent you could want
[03:10] <kairu0>  
[03:10] <kairu0> ok here goes
[03:10] <gdh> altgr+ and ; or ' or # then the letter will put the appropriate accent on ..   
[03:11] <kairu0> i choose Right Alt is Compose in KDE keyboard config
[03:12] <kairu0> its not doing anything
[03:12] <gdh> I have a UK keyboard so ; ' # are the three keys between L and Return...
[03:12] <gdh> I press ALTGR+' then release altgr then press e ...
[03:13] <kairu0> altgr+ ; doesnt produce anything
[03:13] <gdh> correct, altgr+; only selects the accent type - you need to press an accentable key afterwards.
[03:13] <gdh> if that fails.. then I don't know.. "It works for me!" :/
[03:14] <gdh> perhaps the app needs to be restarted, but I shouldn't have thought so.
[03:14] <kairu0> so i type altgr + ;  then i push e? (for example)
[03:14] <gdh> yes.
[03:14] <gdh> 
[03:14] <gdh> is exactly what I get...
[03:15] <kairu0> no go
[03:15] <kairu0> maybe i have to use a different keymap
[03:15] <kairu0> its set to spanish right now
[03:15] <gdh> Hm that could well be affecting it - I don't know :)
[03:15] <kairu0> ok thnkx 
[03:17] <kairu0> gonna try something
[03:49] <kairu0> hey all
[03:52] <murtaugh> hey I want to run this "syndaemon -d" everytime i boot, what file do I add that too?
[04:04] <kairu0> murtaugh, can that be run as a non-root user?
[04:04] <murtaugh> no I don't believe so
[04:05] <murtaugh> let me try
[04:05] <halibut> kubuntu vs mepis?
[04:05] <kairu0> murtaugh, if it has to be root, i'd add it to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[04:05] <murtaugh> kairu, yes actually you can 
[04:05] <kairu0> oh ok
[04:05] <kairu0> murtaugh, then add it to your .bashrc in your home folder
[04:05] <murtaugh> oh ... . duh....
[04:05] <murtaugh> thanks :)
[04:06] <kairu0> or easier yet,
[04:06] <kairu0> to your .kde/Autostart folder
[04:06] <murtaugh> alright, thanks! I think i did it the most difficult way possible, I added a new entry to init.d
[04:07] <gdh> murtaugh: Ah you did it the classic proper way :) well done :)
[04:08] <kairu0> you are a true asset to the royal air force
[04:09] <gdh> mm?
[04:09] <kairu0> halibut, what did you want to say?
[04:09] <halibut> kairu0, how do the two compare?
[04:10] <kairu0> halibut, that depends on who you ask :)
[04:10] <nalioth> halibut: i believe you want to ask in #freenode, since you're most likely gonna get a biased answer here
[04:10] <kairu0> halibut, kubuntu detected all my hardware. mepis missed my video card, sound card, monitor, and network card
[04:11] <halibut> kairu0, 0o
[04:11] <halibut> Mepis picked up all my hardware fine?
[04:11] <halibut> odd
[04:11] <kairu0> it depends on the hardware i think
[04:11] <halibut> don't they have the same hardware detection?
[04:12] <nalioth> they do not
[04:12] <gdh> possibly kudzu versus discover2
[04:12] <nalioth> mepis, iirc is done by one guy or a small team
[04:12] <kairu0> i dunno. i just know that mepis didnt catch mine
[04:12] <nalioth> ubuntu has dozens of developers
[04:12] <kairu0> kubuntu has a great user called kairu0; mepis does not
[04:12] <gdh> :))
[04:12] <gdh> kairu0: And very modest too :)
[04:13] <kairu0> and gdh, who is any asset to the royal air force
[04:13] <kairu0> lol
[04:13] <kairu0> i think kubuntu has the brighter future as i look at how fast it grows and compare it with mepis on distrowatch
[04:13] <gdh> Why on earth do you associate me with the RAF ? I'm just a computer geek =)
[04:14] <kairu0> on the other hand, mepis has a pyramid
[04:14] <halibut> Can you expain how the switch user item on the kmenu works in kubuntu?
[04:14] <kairu0> i can't
[04:15] <gdh> halibut: It starts another completely seperate X session on another virtual terminal
[04:15] <gdh> halibut: as the help box says, you switch between them using ctrl-alt-f7 and ctrl-alt-f8
[04:15] <halibut> does it just do the same as "start new session"
[04:15] <laszlok> has anyone been able to get kmid working?
[04:15] <gdh> I believe so, yes.
[04:15] <halibut> gdh, I don't actually have kubuntu install, I just saw it in screenshot
[04:16] <gdh> halibut: I use GNOME, personally :)
[04:16] <gdh> I just like this channel more :)
[04:16] <gdh> and I used KDE for the last 2 years, so I know the odd thing about it.
[04:16] <kairu0> gdh, now that i know that, you arent an asset to the RAF anymore
[04:16] <gdh> :D
[04:17] <gdh> IRC is truly full of weird people :)
[04:17] <kairu0> AOL mode:
[04:18] <kairu0> oMG YOO USED KKDEEE 4 2 YRZZZ?
[04:18] <gdh> omglolwtfyzyzyzy!!!11111!!!!11oneeeleven!!1111
[04:18] <kairu0> hahahaha
[04:20] <halibut> What is a model of soundcard compatible with kubuntu that has midi in and out?
[04:20] <regeya> really disappointed in novell/suse
[04:21] <gdh> heh, getting rid of their KDE people to focus on GNOME? :)
[04:21] <gdh> can't say I blame them from a business point of view- no point in splitting their efforts, really.
[04:21] <regeya> gnome looks nice, has some competent apps, but it seems really lackluster, and seems to be lacking.  but that's just my opinion
[04:21] <regeya> plus there's the legally dodgy position of mono
[04:22] <Niomi> okie... here's an annoying question.. my print screen button is AWOL. is there a screenshot manager for KDE, and how can I get to it?
[04:22] <gdh> mono's nothing to do with GNOME, really :)
[04:22] <gdh> Niomi: Yes, it's called 'KSnapshot'
[04:22] <regeya> look at the number of mono gnome projects popping up, though.
[04:22] <kairu0> regeya, gnome seems more "welcome to 1999" then kde
[04:23] <firephoto> don't forget the overly huge toolbar buttons....
[04:23] <regeya> http://www.gnome.org/projects/f-spot/ <- nothing to do with gnome, eh?
[04:23] <gdh> KDE is great for people obsessed by 'theming' - GNOME is great for people who just want to get some work done.
[04:23] <Niomi> thanks, i found it gdh :D
[04:23] <kairu0> kde is good for people who like integration
[04:23] <gdh> Niomi: Cool :)
[04:23] <firephoto> gdh: maybe if you use one app that doesn't need to talk to any other app.... lol
[04:23] <regeya> gdh: I thought that for a time.  
[04:24] <Niomi> well, so far i actually like gnome better, but KDE has better support for laptop hibernation so i use it a lot.. i can see myself getting used to it, though.
[04:24] <regeya> gdh: I looked at how often I resorted to firing up a term in both desktops, and I did it less while using kde.  so for me, kde won.
[04:24] <gdh> mm? GNOME's integration is pleasant... e.g. OpenOffice can read/write directly to gnome-vfs "smb://" shares
[04:24] <kairu0> regeya, i second that
[04:25] <Niomi> i like the options KDE has, but i like gnome's look a bit better.. i love konquerer though
[04:25] <regeya> I don't mind doing things from terminal, in fact I keep a term open all the time on os x.  but why should I have to resort to, for example, burning video DVDs from a term?
[04:25] <kairu0> i like how gnome has been putting off memory usage optimizations since the reagan administration
[04:25] <Niomi> LoL
[04:26] <gdh> Yes, RAM is so expensive thesedays :)
[04:26] <regeya> personally, I use the Web window scheme, the crystal icons, and the light3 widget style.
[04:26] <regeya> poor excuse, gdh.
[04:26] <gdh> hehhe :)
[04:26] <gdh> I'm about to go to bed - I'm only trolling =)
[04:26] <regeya> gdh: heh.  though the...hang on.
[04:27] <kairu0> light3 huh.. i'm gonna look that up
[04:27] <regeya> gdh: in all seriousness, I've seen that the gnome folks are working on memory usage.
[04:27] <Niomi> i was unsucessful installing new KDE themes -- does anyone want to recomend a newbie page for it?
[04:27] <kairu0> gdh, you dont have to go to bed if you say that qt is your momma
 stuff like 20M for a trashcan applet are a bit stupif...
[04:27] <regeya> I think once they figured out that their nice, light, simple, featureless gnome desktop took up more ram than winxp
[04:27] <regeya> they should work on it
[04:27] <regeya> I should have finished that all on one line
[04:27] <gdh> I like GTK and Qt each for different reasons, and there I'll leave it, for my eyes are already closing.
[04:28] <regeya> 'night
[04:28] <gdh> nna
[04:28] <firephoto> Niomi: I always ran into issues trying to install whole "themes".
[04:29] <kairu0> regeya, is light3 on kde-look?
[04:29] <Niomi> firephoto, i'm glad i'm not the only one. :)
[04:29] <regeya> hang on...it ships with kubuntu.  Light Style, 3rd edition
[04:29] <regeya> it's ultra-simple.
[04:30] <kairu0> you werent kidding
[04:30] <regeya> kairu0: reminds me of one of the old default gnome themes
[04:30] <firephoto> that widget has been around forever hasn't it?
[04:30] <regeya> indeed it has.
[04:31] <regeya> I used 'motif' forever
[04:31] <firephoto> someone should make a gnome theme for kde.....  run some user tests.... heh
[04:31] <kairu0> i use plastik
[04:31] <regeya> even after better theming came out, I used the kde1 windowborder and motif style
[04:32] <Niomi> okay, more newbie questions: i have this panel on the top that seems to be functioning as a menu bar. how do i get rid of it and get the menus to act normally?
[04:32] <Niomi> screenshot: http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/
[04:32] <Niomi> errr, wrong copy and paste
[04:32] <Niomi> http://img492.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hug8af.jpg
[04:32] <Niomi> sorry.
[04:32] <regeya> and back then, gnome was largely for the eyecandy freaks!
[04:33] <firephoto> ok a question....   is media:/ broke on a default install?  I plug my usb stick in and I get an error in the konq window that pops up but it is mounted at /media/usbdisk/ 
[04:34] <regeya> in fact.../me switches back to kde1/motif/kde2-colorscheme...mwahahahahaha!
[04:34] <firephoto> Niomi: you have the menu bar enabled i do believe....
[04:34] <regeya> WELCOME TO 1997
[04:34] <kairu0> niomi: system settings -> Desktop -> Behavior -> "Menu Bar at Topi of Screen" - None
[04:35] <Niomi> oooh thank you! i looked everywhere for that setting, i must've overlooked it
[04:35] <kairu0> Niomi, np
[04:37] <regeya> now if only I could find those pre-1.0 icons
[04:38] <regeya> and of course I'll need to disable antialiased fonts to  complete the effect
[04:38] <regeya> you know, back when I had a slightly-out-of-focus 15-inch monitor, motif didn't look bad
[04:38] <kairu0> lol
[04:39] <regeya> nowadays, though...dang.
[04:42] <regeya> and there was another motif style, one that matched default pre-rasterman-ized gtk1 better.
[04:42] <regeya> what was that called...
[04:43] <murtaugh> what is gam_server its thrashing my cpu cycles
[04:47] <nalioth> murtaugh: it's a filesystem monitor, and it's a known bug
[04:47] <murtaugh> nalioth, thanks
[05:06] <Niomi> yes, now that i've played around with it i am definatly becomming fond of KDE
[05:06] <firephoto> don't tell the big N guys that.
[05:08] <Niomi> does anyone want to recomend a nice dark theme? :)
[05:09] <nalioth> Niomi: the console?
[05:09] <firephoto> i think there's one included... it's dark but I don't know how nice it is.... heh
[05:12] <Niomi> nalioth: yes, good point.. i'm doing my homework, promise ;)
[05:14] <juanpa> hello. how can i get help with openoffice.org?
[05:14] <Niomi> which setting do i go to to change the tooltip?
[05:15] <nalioth> juanpa: better to just ask a question
[05:18] <sambagirl> test
[05:18] <crimsun> success
[05:19] <sambagirl> ok
[05:19] <sambagirl> i switch from gnome to kde
[05:20] <sambagirl> i do this mainly becaues i wanted to enjoy the many applicatoins kde has to offer.
[05:20] <sambagirl> there are many i notice.
[05:20] <sambagirl> however, i am having difficulties with streaming.
[05:20] <Tm_T> KDE <3
[05:20] <Tm_T> sambagirl: go on
[05:20] <nalioth> sambagirl: you can use kde apps under gnome and gnome apps under kde 
[05:20] <juanpa> nalioth: Here's my question. I've just installed Ubuntu 5.10, and in Openoffice 2.0 when I do File > Wizards > Install new dictionaries nothing happens. What can I do to get the wizard working?
[05:21] <Tm_T> nalioth: but to get full benefit from KDE apps...
[05:21] <sambagirl> well 
[05:21] <nalioth> Tm_T: that is true
[05:22] <nalioth> sambagirl: use kubuntu for a while and see which DE you like best
[05:22] <nalioth> juanpa: can you install new dictionaries using adept?
[05:22] <Tm_T> sambagirl: you was talking about streaming problem...
[05:22] <sambagirl> well the reason i switch to kde is because when i use synaptic to install things, it said he woudl remove things and i did that for things and lo and behold i could not logon again to the computer for the gui so i end up reinstalling ubuntu 3 times now. so i decide to just use 1 or the other in the beginning or such.
[05:22] <laszlok> juanpa: I'm not sure, I think its broken for some reason
[05:23] <kkathman> allo all :)
[05:23] <laszlok> juanpa: But all its supposed to do is load a file called dicOOo
[05:23] <laszlok> juanpa: you can download the dictionary installer here: http://ftp.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/contrib/dictionaries/dicooo/DicOOo.sxw
[05:23] <sambagirl> anyway helix does not do anything and so i install realplayer to compliment it but it still does not do anything. frustraiting. 
[05:24] <juanpa> laszlok: Many thanks. I'll try to and get back to you.
[05:25] <sambagirl> i'm trying to listen to music. another thing when i try to install VLC it says to edit a file so i do but to my surprise the file is empty.  is that normal? don't ask me the file i dont recall it's name now. but it was a .list file 
[05:26] <kkathman> yo laszlok  how goes it?
[05:26] <sambagirl> when i install things there are no icons for them or they dont appear under the correct drop down dialog box either. why is that?
[05:27] <laszlok> kkathman, it goes well
[05:27] <nalioth> sambagirl: you mean a sources.list? vlc is in the repos waiting for you
[05:27] <kairu0> sambagirl, are they kde things?
[05:27] <nalioth> !info vlc
[05:27] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.4-svn20050920-3+hal0ubuntu3 (breezy), Packaged size: 5817 kB, Installed size: 13740 kB
[05:27] <laszlok> kkathman: what part of the world are you in?
[05:27] <nalioth> sambagirl: vlc is in universe
[05:27] <wotnarg> anyone know how to unblock on kopete?
[05:27] <sambagirl> well some are kde things and i know it's waiting form ime
[05:28] <sambagirl> vlc or videolan is wonderful.
[05:28] <sambagirl> wonderful. i want to do broadcasting but it's to complicated to setup
[05:28] <kairu0> sambagirl, if its kde it should appear in the menu within a few minutes or after a logout and login
[05:28] <sambagirl> ok here is a real basic question and then i can rest my keyboard for this time.
[05:29] <sambagirl> is there a way to save my x-chat setup with servers and channels so i can launch later and it goes to them automatically? then i have time to put my thoughts down and ask better questions.
[05:30] <Tm_T> sambagirl: xchat? don't ask any help from me...
[05:30] <laszlok> wotnarg: are you using MSN in kopete?
[05:30] <Tm_T> laszlok: I am
[05:30] <sambagirl> ok no problem
[05:30] <wotnarg> laszlok: aim
[05:30] <Tm_T> sambagirl: just that, I feel xchat somewhat pain in my ass ;)
[05:30] <Tm_T> sambagirl: why don't you try Konversation?
[05:30] <icewt> sambagirl: err.. do you mean just autojoining to channels?
[05:31] <sambagirl> to be honest ubuntu is complete with everything you need just has learning sharp leaning curve
[05:31] <nalioth> sambagirl: yes, edit your server list
[05:31] <sambagirl> what is konversatoin?
[05:31] <Tm_T> sambagirl: KDE irc-client
[05:31] <ilba7r> sambagirl server list then press edit
[05:32] <laszlok> wotnarg: To unblock using msn is as simple as right-click (on contact), then go to the bottom item menu, and select unblock user
[05:32] <sambagirl> well i'll be i saw that but i do not know what it was but thanks i'll try it now.
[05:34] <sambagirl> tha was fast
[05:34] <sambag> test
[05:34] <sambagirl> what do people prefer?
[05:35] <sambag> this looks so different.
[05:35] <icewt> you mean better?-)
[05:35] <sambagirl> haha
[05:35] <sambagirl> well xchat has buttons for functions 
[05:36] <wotnarg> laszlok: For aim, theres no option to do that.
[05:36] <icewt> sambagirl: what functions do you mean exactly?
[05:36] <sambagirl> T N S I P M B K L
[05:36] <sambagirl> for channel settings at the top
[05:37] <sambagirl> next to title for channel
[05:37] <icewt> sambagirl: channel modes? those can be enabled in settings
[05:37] <laszlok> wotnarg: settings --> configure --> accounts --> modify --> contacts
[05:37] <sambag> can you do multiple servers?
[05:37] <sambag> yes
[05:37] <icewt> yes
[05:37] <sambagirl> it's faster
[05:37] <sambagirl> ,aube
[05:37] <sambagirl> maybe
[05:37] <sambagirl> well thank you for the enlightenment
[05:37] <laszlok> wotnarg: tell me if it works, i don't actually have a aim account to test it out
[05:38] <sambagirl> i did not even know it was there.
[05:38] <mrmarcel> gn8
[05:38] <sambag> can you have multiple servers open for multiple channels?
[05:38] <wotnarg> laszlok: I get to the accounts part, but if I click to modify an account, there is no contacts option.
[05:39] <icewt> sambagirl: yes
[05:39] <sambagirl> well since i am in the kde channel what are these other applications? they are just acronyms wiht no icons.
[05:40] <sambagirl> kopete kppp krdc krfb
[05:40] <sambagirl> ppp probably for dsl connectoin 
[05:40] <laszlok> wotnarg: Sorry, im not sure if its possible then
[05:41] <wotnarg> laszlok: *nod* Thanks.
[05:41] <sambagirl> ubuntu is masterpiece almost as wonderful as being on an amiga.
[05:41] <icewt> sambagirl: all of those should have icons. there should be also descriptions for them
[05:42] <sambagirl> ahh kopere is like gain
[05:42] <sambagirl> kopete
[05:42] <Tm_T> Kopete <3
[05:42] <Tm_T> sambagirl: no, not "like gaim" !!
[05:43] <Tm_T> Kopete is soooo much better
[05:43] <Tm_T> ;)
[05:43] <Tm_T> breakfast ->
[05:43] <sambagirl> it looks nicer true
[05:44] <sambagirl> breaklfast? lol
[05:44] <Tm_T> what's funny in it?
[05:45] <Tm_T> ...
[05:45] <icewt> "Breakfast <3" ;)
[05:45] <Tm_T> yes
[05:45] <Tm_T> breakfast <3
[05:45] <Tm_T> ;)
[05:45] <icewt> :)
[05:45] <Tm_T> 06:45 here
[05:45] <Tm_T> I really need it ->
[05:46] <regeya> wow, an ubuntu-amiga comparison.  weird.
[05:46] <regeya> then again, that's comparing gnome-amiga.
[05:46] <regeya> meh.
[05:46] <sambagirl> well i am going to try to install ubuntu on an amiga.
[05:46] <sambagirl> should work
[05:46] <regeya> if gnome is comparable to amiga os, I wonder what all the fuss was about with the amigas...;-)
[05:47] <nalioth> sambagirl: you go grrl!
[05:47] <sambagirl> well amiga has CLI
[05:47] <regeya> or perhaps it says somethign good...amiga 1988 == gnome 2005
[05:47] <sambagirl> i'll let you know how it goes
[05:48] <sambagirl> with amigaone it is ppc so it should be able to use ubuntu ppc version.
[05:50] <sambagirl> i just discover JuK
[05:50] <sambagirl> how cool
[05:51] <nalioth> sambagirl: in a couple of months you can discover xubuntu
[05:51] <sambagirl> xubuntu?
[05:51] <sambagirl> i know xwindows
[05:52] <sambagirl> i have used linux 1.0 slackware before. 
[05:52] <nalioth> !xubuntu
[05:52] <ubotu> methinks xubuntu is Ubuntu using XFCE instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[05:52] <sambagirl> how do i configure the output i get no sound.
[05:52] <sambagirl> there are alot of operating systems out there. to numerous to expound on.
[05:53] <sambagirl> output of sound is different for linux i see, you must set the output from defaulting to whatever i see.
[05:56] <sambagirl> is there some kind of applicatoin that has all kinds of dials and gadgets and things like that? somethign really spectacular to explore?
[06:04] <icewt> i wonder what could such an applications possibly be
[06:06] <Tm_T> Konqueror? ;p
[06:11] <sambagirl> i tell you in just a second.
[06:13] <sambagirl> visit www.salemradiolabs.com/rivendell
[06:13] <sambagirl> i have no idea how to install this.
[06:15] <sambagirl> videolan is another masterpiece.
[06:15] <sambagirl> there are others too.
[06:15] <sambagirl> look at the gallery it says everything.
[06:16] <sambagirl> we have video toasters for amigas so that explain why i like these things. 
[06:17] <sambagirl> what is SuSE?
[06:17] <icewt> another linux distribution
[06:18] <sambagirl> ok
[06:18] <sambagirl> thank you
[06:19] <margouyab> hello
[06:20] <sambagirl> hi
[06:21] <margouyab> i'm a newbie in linux and kubuntu
[06:21] <sambagirl> i tried to install amateur radio applicaotins in synaptic but i cannot find where they went after the install.
[06:21] <margouyab> and i've got a little problem
[06:22] <icewt> sambagirl: try typing their names in a terminal window
[06:22] <sambagirl> ok
[06:22] <sambagirl> what is your little problem margouyab?
[06:23] <margouyab> or properties in synaptic to know where the files was installed
[06:23] <margouyab> my desktop get wrong
[06:23] <sambagirl> your no newbie margouyab ;)
[06:23] <sambagirl> thank  you
[06:23] <sambagirl> brb
[06:25] <margouyab> actually i've got no link for my hdd and cdrom
[06:25] <margouyab> on the desktop
[06:25] <margouyab> but in the desktop settings i asked for that
[06:26] <icewt> the cdrom icon should appear when you insert a cdrom in a drive
[06:26] <margouyab> yesterday there was no problem but for last night i lost the link
[06:27] <icewt> did you upgrade some kde-stuff?
[06:27] <margouyab> i think so
[06:28] <margouyab> with synaptic i installed some stuff
[06:29] <icewt> well, some kde-updates did the same thing for me. don't really know why. but all the stuff can be found in /media
[06:30] <margouyab> yes i thound them here to
[06:30] <margouyab> but was it media:/ ???
[06:32] <icewt> well, it shows a kde-view of mounted things. /media is the locations they are really mounted
[06:32] <margouyab> i've got a link who look for media:/ but it don't work anymore
[06:33] <margouyab>  /media work yet
[06:35] <sambagirl> ok my dad was a amatuer radio ham operator, is anyone using QSSTV?
[06:35] <margouyab> sorry i can't help
[06:36] <sambagirl> it's used for slow scan tv
[06:46] <musik> can i use breezy debs on hoary????????
[06:47] <tarheelcoxn> my google-fu is failing
[06:47] <tarheelcoxn> why might I be getting "Could not read title information for DVD" from kaffeine?
[06:47] <tarheelcoxn> I seem to have the correct packagesinstalled
[06:47] <tarheelcoxn> err
[06:47] <musik> can i use breezy debs on hoary????????
[06:47] <tarheelcoxn> packages... installed
[06:47] <kairu0> musik, it probably a bad idea
[06:48] <tarheelcoxn> musik: why not update?
[06:48] <tarheelcoxn> musik: try not to get your fingers stuck on the shift and / keys
[06:48] <tarheelcoxn> ;)
[06:50] <sambagirl> when your using ubuntu for audio why is threre always a problem with an output sound device? i just install audacity and it says i have no playback device. i have a sound card, no? 
[06:51] <musik> ok.....got that
[06:51] <sambagirl> xmms i had to change the output device to make it work, what is the issue with audacity?
[06:51] <sambagirl> anyone know?
[06:52] <firephoto> sambagirl: you probably don't have hardware mixing on your sound card and there isn't a sound server running. kde has arts running usually.
[06:52] <tarheelcoxn> ahh... solved my own problem: should be /dev/hdc instead of /media/cdrom0
[06:54] <tarheelcoxn> grrrr: libdvdread: Attempting to retrieve all CSS keys <--- is taking forever
[06:54] <sambagirl> ok thanks firephoto
[06:54] <Mason059> Hi all.  Anyone find KDM slow to come up after shutting down (ending session) after upgrading to Breezy?
[06:54] <firephoto> so i'm guessing it's a difference of kde running (thus arts) and it not running. .        (just a guess though)
[06:55] <kairu0> anyone had any larger bugs than the  artsd problem with kde 3.5b2?
[06:55] <musik> Mason059: breezy IS slower than hoary....thats why ive gone back to hoary...feel much happier now..
[06:55] <sambagirl> so in other words i am out of luck with audacity, no?
[06:55] <Mason059> Hoary ran great...Breezy is good for the most part, although you're right about it being slower
[06:56] <Mason059> I had a lot of trouble with x after upgrading, but seems to be OK now (except for sound in xgalaga)
[06:57] <icewt> sambagirl: try killall artsd
[06:57] <Mason059> And of course kdm restart (which takes several minutes)...sometimes I have to login and startx
[06:57] <firephoto> kairu0: running it on gentoo without issue. (not that it's very relevant) ;)
[06:57] <sambagirl> ok i just did it icewt
[06:58] <sambagirl> now i can run it again? audacity?
[06:58] <icewt> sambagirl: yes
[06:58] <kairu0> firephoto, lol
[07:00] <firephoto> i wonder what the arts issue is with kubuntu packages? arts doesn't have any problem the way it's built in gentoo, seems like they'd build a new package for it..?
[07:00] <sambagirl> ok first i have to wait for this one to stop ;). i was trying to run 2 at same time. but this one is locked up. i try killall audacity but it still sitting there.
[07:00] <sambagirl> brb
[07:00] <icewt> sambagirl: killall -9 audacity
[07:01] <tarheelcoxn> how long should getting CSS keys for a DVD take?
[07:02] <sambagirl> that sure did it!
[07:02] <sambagirl> thanks
[07:02] <Mason059> Does anyone know if the unofficial user guide has been upgraded for Breezy?  Also, where might I find backports?
[07:03] <sambagirl> still not giving me an output device..drat
[07:03] <tarheelcoxn> I don't think backports exist yet
[07:04] <Mason059> I thought so, but it never hurts to ask :)
[07:05] <tarheelcoxn> Mason059: see the last post in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=447499
[07:06] <Mason059> Thanks tarheelcoxn
[07:09] <tarheelcoxn> np
[07:11] <tarheelcoxn> ugh
[07:11] <tarheelcoxn> dvd playback == fail
[07:20] <tarheelcoxn> more accurately, libdvdcss == fail
[07:25] <sambagirl> ok a big problem i discovering with unix audio/video is decoders plugins why dont they include these things in the installs?
[07:27] <sambagirl> is this some license issues?
[07:29] <kairu0> yes
[07:29] <kairu0> quicktime, real, wmv, they're all proprietary
[07:47] <Sonny_Wertzik> can someone help me with a mac os top panel question?
[07:48] <kairu0> sure
[07:49] <Sonny_Wertzik> kairu0, hi
[07:49] <Sonny_Wertzik> kairu0, are u talkin to me?
[07:50] <kairu0> yes
[07:50] <kairu0> hi
[07:51] <Sonny_Wertzik> kairu0, ok thx ...well when i add a system tray to the mac os panel the icons are to big for the bar...do you know how to shrink them or make the bar wider?
[07:51] <Sonny_Wertzik> kairu0, im using the default crystal svg icons
[07:51] <kairu0> you are talking about a kde mac-style top bar right?
[07:52] <Sonny_Wertzik> kairu0, ya thats right
[07:52] <kairu0> hang on let me try
[07:52] <Sonny_Wertzik> kairu0, okie thx
[07:52] <Delvien> cntrl H to show hidden files right?
[07:53] <kairu0> Sonny_Wertzik, my icons are the right size..and i dont see an option to change the icon size
[07:54] <kairu0> Sonny_Wertzik, what if you make the panel bigger, and smaller again
[07:54] <Delvien> Anyone know how to map the volume button to Headphone jack as WELL as Master?
[07:54] <Sonny_Wertzik> kairu0, really?? your sys tray icons fit in the bar without being cut off?
[07:54] <kairu0> Delvien, maybe you'd need a second button for that
[07:55] <kairu0> Sonny_Wertzik, yes. and my top panel is "normal" size
[07:55] <Sonny_Wertzik> kairu0, i cant change the width of that panel at all
[07:55] <Delvien> kairu0 i have  multimedia keys on my laptop , i just need to map the up down volume key to headphone jack too , not just master
[07:55] <kairu0> Sonny_Wertzik, right click on the panel, configure, make it larger, then make it smaller again
[07:56] <Sonny_Wertzik> kairu0, when i do that it just make my kicker bigger
[07:56] <Sonny_Wertzik> kairu0, mac os panel stays the same
[07:56] <kairu0> Sonny_Wertzik, right click on the panel at the top (the title bar)
[07:58] <Sonny_Wertzik> kairu0, ok and i pick configure...then i pick normal and my kicker get big
[07:58] <kairu0> Sonny_Wertzik, is your kicker on the top panel too? 
[07:59] <Sonny_Wertzik> kairu0, no
[08:00] <kairu0> has your panel had correct icon sizes in the past?
[08:01] <Sonny_Wertzik> kairu0, well i just tried to use the mac os panel for the first time so i dont know
[08:01] <Sonny_Wertzik> kairu0, i have tried making the font bigger and it works but i have to make any fonnt like 16
[08:02] <Sonny_Wertzik> kairu0, btw im using kde 3.4.3
[08:02] <kairu0> Sonny_Wertzik, this sounds like a problem that would go away if you logged out and logged back in
[08:03] <Sonny_Wertzik> kairu0, yes i tried that  ....no dice
[08:03] <Sonny_Wertzik> kairu0, i must have screwed it up somehow
[08:03] <murtaugh> I just setup my flashdrive with an encrypted filesystem is there software for kde or gnome that automates the process of cryptsetup create , and mounting?
[08:04] <Sonny_Wertzik> kairu0, it would be nice if i could set the size of the bar from confure
[08:05] <kairu0> Sonny_Wertzik, i can find an option to do that
[08:05] <kairu0> oops
[08:05] <Sonny_Wertzik> kairu0, for the mac os bar?
[08:05] <kairu0> can= cant :P
[08:05] <Sonny_Wertzik> kairu0,  oh hehe i thought i really screwed it up hehe
[08:06] <kairu0> lol i dont know what it is
[08:06] <kairu0> have you changed konqueror icon sizes before?
[08:06] <murtaugh> nm I googled it, i swear I ask a question and 30 seconds later I have found the answer in google ;)
[08:06] <Sonny_Wertzik> kairu0, yes
[08:07] <kairu0> Sonny_Wertzik, well, the panels might inherit icon settings from konqueror. i dunno
[08:08] <Sonny_Wertzik> kairu0, ya i think trere must be a config file thats holding on to some setting i had before
[08:08] <Sonny_Wertzik> kairu0, now if i can only find it hehe
[08:08] <Delvien> kairu0 do you know how to map the volume of the headphones to a button ?
[08:08] <kairu0> Delvien, no, i only know how to make the kmix applet in the tray control a different channel
[08:09] <Sonny_Wertzik> kairu0, thx for the help... i really appreciate it.
[08:09] <Delvien> kairu0 how do i do that?
[08:10] <kairu0> Delvien, right click the speaker, choose "select channel"
[08:11] <Delvien> kairu0 do i have to restart X?
[08:12] <kairu0> Delvien, no
[08:12] <Delvien> kairu0 ah why i ask is because none of them are working for headphone
[08:13] <kairu0> Delvien, on my laptop it all goes to "Front"
[08:13] <Delvien> kairu0 no matter what channel i select it always changes Master
[08:14] <Delvien> kairu0 i think there is something wierd with my mapping of my keys
[08:14] <kairu0> Delvien, could be
[08:16] <Delvien> kairu0 do you know where i change the mappings for volume ? they arent in system settings
[08:18] <kairu0> Delvien, thats funny cuz i looked for them about an hour ago in the hotkeys config. i swear they were there in the last kde
[08:20] <Delvien> aye gnome has them built in , but ever since i moved into KDE they have never had them
[08:24] <Delvien>  know how to reduce the amount of memory used in KDE ?
[08:27] <kairu0> nuh uh
[08:27] <kairu0> im working on the volume keys thing
[08:32] <Delvien> what is kio-http ?
[08:34] <kairu0> Delvien, i did it. i mapped my volume keys
[08:34] <Delvien> cool how
[08:36] <kairu0> Delvien, open up the volume control, then right click on the icon of the channel that you want to map
[08:37] <Delvien> hmm i mapped them still doesnt work , let me try and restarting X 
[08:37] <kairu0> it wont help
[08:37] <kairu0> try a different combination
[08:37] <kairu0> i used shift+f3
[08:37] <Delvien> trying now
[08:37] <voicu> hey, it works :D, thanks
[08:38] <kairu0> what works?
[08:38] <voicu> volume shortcuts
[08:38] <voicu> :D
[08:38] <Delvien> hmm 
[08:38] <voicu> i didn't know i could do that
[08:38] <kairu0> oh sweet hehe
[08:38] <Delvien> it works with regular keys, but not my Volume up and down buttons
[08:38] <kairu0> yeah its nowhere in the menus
[08:38] <kairu0> Delvien, what brand is your laptop
[08:39] <Delvien> dell
[08:39] <kairu0> hmm
[08:39] <kairu0> there are special daemons for sony vaio and thinkpad keys, but i dunno about dell 
[08:39] <Delvien> Mute, V down, V up, Play/pause, prev, next, stop , 
[08:39] <Delvien> aye no one has writtin one
[08:41] <Delvien> ill play around with keyboard mappings, because the Dell one doesnt work for me
[08:59] <Delvien> well it doesnt work, but i just mapped it to F11 and F12,  guess no programmers own dell :P
[09:00] <Delvien> once i learn linux more, ill be the dell guy for drivers :P 
[09:00] <Delvien> already dove into python, and have experience with C++
[09:00] <Delvien> so hey. 
[09:00] <Delvien> ty for your help kairu0
[09:01] <fatejudger> help, artds keeps crashing
[09:01] <fatejudger> where can I find the beta 1 repos?
[09:01] <Delvien> what player are you using
[09:01] <fatejudger> I need to get the old artds back
[09:01] <fatejudger> I'm not using a damn player
[09:01] <Delvien> can t you adept it
[09:01] <fatejudger> no
[09:01] <fatejudger> I need the old repos
[09:01] <Delvien> dont get an attitude
[09:04] <propagandhi> fatejudger: http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35beta1.php
[09:05] <fatejudger> I found it already, thanks
[09:05] <fatejudger> I need to restart to get artds out of memory
[09:05] <propagandhi> fatejudger: ok, sorry
[09:05] <fatejudger> and to stop crashing
[09:05] <propagandhi> yeah, I had to go back from beta2 also
[09:17] <fatejudger> ok, I need help quickly
[09:18] <fatejudger> I just tried to follow the ubuntu wiki
[09:18] <fatejudger> to get arts working in KDE 3.5 again
[09:18] <fatejudger> and I tried to remove libarts like it said
[09:18] <fatejudger> and replace it with the older one
[09:18] <fatejudger> but instead it's removing everything
[09:18] <fatejudger> and I mean EVERYTHING
[09:18] <fatejudger> along with libarts
[09:19] <fatejudger> apparently tons of package depend on libarts
[09:19] <fatejudger> *packages
[09:19] <fatejudger> but it stopped when it needed to stop kdm
[09:19] <fatejudger> so it's paused for the moment
[09:19] <fatejudger> what should I do?
[09:21] <fatejudger> is anyone not afk?
[09:22] <njk> i'm here, but I can't help you
[09:22] <njk> sorry
[09:22] <fatejudger> shit
[09:22] <fatejudger> well I'm wondering whether they're packages I can easily reinstall
[09:22] <fatejudger> I doubt it though
[09:22] <fatejudger> it's every package that needs sound through arts
[09:22] <fatejudger> which is pretty much every KDE application
[09:23] <fatejudger> stupid fucking rats
[09:23] <njk> hmm, maybe you could check the KDE forums, or a KDE irc channel
[09:23] <fatejudger> they're in my attic
[09:23] <fatejudger> 2 of them
[09:23] <njk> haha
[09:23] <njk> i have raccoons
[09:23] <fatejudger> it's scratching on the drywall above me
[09:23] <fatejudger> hold on, I'm going to bang on the wall
[09:23] <njk> k
[09:24] <fatejudger> lol
[09:24] <fatejudger> it stopped
[09:24] <fatejudger> oh damnit, it just started up again
[09:24] <fatejudger> I swear, that rat is going to eat through this drywall
[09:24] <njk> hahah
[09:24] <njk> and poke his little head out
[09:30] <fatejudger> crap, X is dying
[09:34] <voicu> does he have any last wishes?
[09:38] <fatejudger> ok, I'm in bitchx now
[09:38] <fatejudger> so now even though X went down I can still communicate
[09:39] <fatejudger> I'm trying to apt-get update to get the beta 2 packages back
[09:39] <fatejudger> but it's saying something about not having a public key
[09:39] <fatejudger> public key is not available
[09:45] <Zinoc> Just get the key here : http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[09:46] <Zinoc> And sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[09:46] <Zinoc> And it's good :)
[09:48] <libben> whats with amaroK? it takes like 50-60 % cpu
[09:48] <Zinoc> He is maybe scanning your collection ?
[09:48] <libben> and it blinks the cursor in a steady interwall with globe on the pointer. and the equalizer in the bottom is stalling in the same pace as the pointer animation
[09:49] <fatejudger> Zinoc: I have no web browser
[09:49] <fatejudger> KDM died
[09:49] <Zinoc> wget it
[09:49] <fatejudger> wget?
[09:49] <fatejudger> I can't copy and paste
[09:50] <Zinoc> wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[09:50] <libben> hmm
[09:50] <libben> it only appears when im on the TAB "Current"
[09:51] <libben> if i choose home while the song plays it goes away.
[09:51] <fatejudger> Zinoc: can you paste that command again?
[09:51] <fatejudger> the apt get one
[09:51] <Zinoc> Strange... never had this bug
[09:51] <fatejudger> I can't scroll up in BitchX
[09:51] <Zinoc> sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[09:52] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> hi guys
[09:52] <Zinoc> Hi
[09:52] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> where i can find lecture files for ktouch? (typing training)..?
[09:53] <fatejudger> Zinoc: the key thing worked
[09:53] <Zinoc> fatejudger: Great
[09:53] <fatejudger> Zinoc: but all my packages are still missing
[09:53] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> ?
[09:53] <fatejudger> Zinoc: even with an apt-get upgrade
[09:53] <Zinoc> Did you update ?
[09:54] <fatejudger> Zinoc: well see, what happened is I deleted libarts in adept
[09:54] <fatejudger> Zinoc: because it's this fix for KDE 3.5
[09:54] <fatejudger> Zinoc: but it deleted all the programs that were dependant on arts
[09:54] <fatejudger> Zinoc: I don't know how to get them back
[09:54] <fatejudger> Zinoc: unless I reinstall
[09:54] <Zinoc> Yes, download the broken arts packages, and you will fix it later
[09:55] <fatejudger> Zinoc: which I was about to do
[09:55] <fatejudger> Zinoc: yes, but all my packages are gone
[09:55] <fatejudger> Zinoc: how do I get them back?
[09:55] <Zinoc> Can't you redownload them ?
[09:55] <fatejudger> Zinoc: I can't remember them all
[09:55] <fatejudger> Zinoc: there were so many
[09:56] <Zinoc> Try to get amarok-engines, it will download arts dependency
[09:56] <fatejudger> Zinoc: maybe I could apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:56] <fatejudger> Zinoc: no see, you don't get it
[09:56] <fatejudger> Zinoc: it erased every last KDE program on my computer
[09:56] <fatejudger> Zinoc: plus a few others
[09:56] <fatejudger> apt-get needs an undo
[09:56] <fatejudger> lol
[09:57] <Zinoc> :)
[09:57] <Zinoc> And if you apt-get kubuntu-desktop, as you say ? Does it works ?
[09:57] <fatejudger> Zinoc: I was about to try that
[09:58] <Zinoc> ok
[09:58] <morrow> ahhh kubuntu is now on mark shuttleworth desktop.. congrats ;-)
[09:58] <fatejudger> I might as well just reinstall
[09:58] <fatejudger> it has to install tons of stuff
[09:58] <fatejudger> it'll take me just as long
[09:58] <fatejudger> and this time I know what to do
[09:59] <Zinoc> As  you prefer 
[09:59] <fatejudger> ok, thanks
[09:59] <fatejudger> reinstalling then
[09:59] <fatejudger> by the way
[10:00] <fatejudger> for future reference
[10:00] <fatejudger> how do I just replace a package
[10:00] <fatejudger> instead of uninstalling all the packages that depend on that package?
[10:00] <libben> Riddell: where have u hide the amarok packages? cause the new ones is not in repos. 
[10:01] <Zinoc> I don't know how using apt-get, but if you download the .deb manually, just sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[10:01] <fatejudger> Zinoc: and that will install over a newer package?
[10:01] <Zinoc> yes
[10:01] <fatejudger> Zinoc: okay, thanks :D
[10:02] <fatejudger> reinstalling...
[10:02] <Zinoc> even if you downgrade
[10:02] <Zinoc> Good luck :)
[10:04] <_liquidbinary_> Does anybody know how to play clanbomber?
[10:04] <kairu0> no. but i love neverball and supertux
[10:05] <_liquidbinary_> kairu0: I'll download and try
[10:05] <_liquidbinary_> clanbomber seems to make no sense
[10:08] <kairu0> _liquidbinary_, if you have a gamepad, neverball is awesome
[10:09] <_liquidbinary_> kairu0: going to download it right now
[10:17] <libben> anyone knows why the amaroK debs is not in the repos ?
[10:20] <voicu> can someone tell me what command to use to install a .deb package?
[10:20] <Zinoc> sudo dpkg -i .deb
[10:20] <voicu> ok, thanks
[10:20] <Zinoc> np
[10:22] <_buz> it displays my wlan but wont let me connect to it?
[10:48] <libben> sudo make install or just make install forgot =)
[10:48] <libben> ./configure && make && sudo make install ?
[10:51] <kairu0> the last one
[10:51] <kairu0> make install is sudo because it copies the files to your OS's various folders
[11:16] <libben> how do i install amarok from debs properly? cause ive downloaded the ones riddel made. amarok and arts and gstreamer. but when i dpkg -i it, it tells me it deps on gstreamer and arts and engines. but when i try to install those it tells me it needs deps amarok =)
[11:18] <libben> ive uninstalled the amarok and arts and gstreamer that was installed from repos before i did this
[11:18] <voicu> when i run ./configure it says "no acceptable C Compiler found in $PATH" but i installed gcc 3.4 from kynaptic, what can I do?
[11:19] <voicu> anyone, pls?
[11:19] <bimberi> voicu: try installing the build-essential package
[11:20] <voicu> k, 10x
[11:21] <libben> how can i set deps while doing dpkg -i on debs ?
[11:22] <Zinoc> sudo dpkg -i *.deb where your amarok and engine debs are
[11:23] <bimberi> voicu: yw :)
[11:23] <voicu> uh, one more question, what do I use to install a .rpm?
[11:23] <libben> or sudo dpkg -i filename1.deb filename2.deb ?
[11:23] <Zinoc> You have to convert it in deb first, using alien
[11:23] <Zinoc> libben: yes
[11:24] <voicu> alien .rpm?
[11:24] <Zinoc> Yes, sudo alien .rpm
[11:24] <voicu> got it
[11:47] <fatejudger> can I mount windows shares in the fstab in Breezy now?
[11:47] <Tm_T> sure
[11:47] <Tm_T>  mount <dev>
[11:47] <fatejudger> are you sure?
[11:47] <bimberi> !mountwindows
[11:47] <fatejudger> it isn't work in hoary
[11:47] <ubotu> mountwindows is, like, totally, Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows or mac partitions mount automatically)
[11:48] <Tm_T> it is/was
[11:48] <fatejudger> lol
[11:48] <fatejudger> *didn't
[11:48] <fatejudger> sorry, it's 3 AM here
[11:48] <fatejudger> kind of tired
[11:48] <Tm_T> user error then ;)
[11:48] <Tm_T> trust me, if you do all correctly, it does work just fine
[11:50] <fatejudger> wait
[11:50] <fatejudger> these are local
[11:50] <fatejudger> I need to mount networked windows shares
[11:51] <fatejudger> !mountwindowsshares
[11:51] <ubotu> fatejudger: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[11:51] <fatejudger> !samba
[11:51] <ubotu> samba is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[11:51] <fatejudger> that second one doesn't work
[11:51] <fatejudger> it's broken
[11:51] <fatejudger> and crappy
[11:58] <libben> hows dapper comming ? any ground braking yet?
[11:59] <fatejudger> !repos
[11:59] <ubotu> well, repos is How to add repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[12:30] <fatejudger> why can't I mount Windows samba file shares?
[12:30] <fatejudger> it isn't working
[12:30] <fatejudger> !samba
[12:30] <ubotu> well, samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[12:30] <fatejudger> that one
[12:30] <fatejudger> it doesn't work
[12:31] <fatejudger> is everyone asleep?
[12:31] <fatejudger> I'd like to sleep
[12:31] <fatejudger> lol
[12:32] <propagandhi> fatejudger: perhaps smb4k might be your thing
[12:32] <fatejudger> can it permanently mount network shares?
[12:37] <fatejudger> samba wants a password when it tries to mount it at boot
[12:37] <fatejudger> and then it says "access denied"
[12:37] <fatejudger> but there is no password
[12:38] <propagandhi> fatejudger: perhaps you could try setting an account, and you might need to edit the local security plicy on the windows PC
[12:40] <fatejudger> propagandhi: why can't I log in anonymously?
[12:40] <fatejudger> !samba
[12:40] <ubotu> somebody said samba was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[12:40] <propagandhi> fatejudger: does the windows computer allow guest logins, is the firewall on, does the local security policy on the windows machine allow acces
[12:41] <propagandhi> are the shares set to allow the 'Everyone' group access
[12:41] <propagandhi> all those factors can impact
[12:41] <fatejudger> yes
[12:41] <fatejudger> it all works
[12:41] <fatejudger> I can manually browse the samba network from KDE
[12:42] <fatejudger> but when I put it in the fstab
[12:42] <fatejudger> it wants a password
[12:43] <propagandhi> fatejudger: well, if thats the case, try using the administrators username and password. I dont permanently mount any of the shares I access myself I just access them as needed 
[12:44] <fatejudger> propagandhi: there isn't any username and password
[12:44] <propagandhi> fatejudger: well create a new user then
[12:44] <fatejudger> propagandhi: why do I need to do that?
[12:44] <fatejudger> propagandhi: why can't I just put in the command for anonymous logging in?
[12:45] <propagandhi> fatejudger: because it is asking you for those details, if you do it you'll know whether its a solution or not
[01:29] <Spudulike> How do I regain access to the web based CUPS admin tool?
[01:30] <obontu>  hey, i'm trying to install the kubuntu desktop package, but it's asking for my breezy cd, i don't have it atm, can't i d/l it instead?
[01:31] <Spudulike> obontu: Is this through synaptic or similar?
[01:31] <obontu> yes
[01:31] <obontu> synaptic
[01:31] <obontu> i'm currently using gnome
[01:32] <Spudulike> If you go into the repository admin section you can untick the call to CD.
[01:32] <obontu> oh right
[01:32] <obontu> silly me
[01:32] <obontu> thanx
[01:57] <torc_> is there any easy way to mount windows partitions and have access to them?
[01:58] <nalioth> ubotu: tell torc_ about mountwindows
[01:58] <torc_> I've used a winmac_fstab script, and it doesn't seem to work correctly with Breezy because I now cannot access my NTFS partitions without being sudo -s...
[01:59] <torc_> i appreciate the suggestion, but as I stated after your typing, i've tried it and it's screwed me over with permissions that can't change. Help?
[02:01] <mth`MAW> Moinsen
[02:01] <mth`MAW> .dj
[02:01] <mth`MAW> Soory wrong channel
[02:01] <mth`MAW> :(
[02:01] <mth`MAW> Hello, everybody. I ment 
[02:01] <mth`MAW> :)
[02:03] <voicu> what can i do if i have libssl0.9.7 but a program says it needs libssl0.9.6 and doesn't 'see' the newer version?
[02:03] <nalioth> torc_: that is a permissions issue in fstab
[02:04] <voicu> winmac_fstab asks you if you want to make the drives accessible by everyone
[02:04] <torc_> nalioth: is there any way to reverse the winmac_fstab script? like "uninstall"it?
[02:04] <torc_> i hit yes voicu
[02:05] <torc_> but what if I hit no...is there a way I can change it? 
[02:05] <voicu> look for /etc/fstab
[02:05] <nalioth> torc_: edit your /etc/fstab for the correct permissions
[02:06] <torc_> voicu: should I just delete that file?
[02:07] <nalioth> torc_: if you delete your fstab, you've killed your system
[02:08] <voicu> delete the lines that define your windows partitions
[02:08] <torc_> nalioth: should I just delete the lines with the drives that I don't want to have show up and then re-run the script? because im not sure how to go about changing perms to what i want
[02:08] <voicu> probably the last lines
[02:08] <torc_> ah k
[02:09] <torc_> there's a mount called proc on mine..?
[02:09] <torc_> ?
[02:09] <nalioth> torc_: i can help you with that
[02:10] <nalioth> torc_: open a konsole, please
[02:10] <torc_> done
[02:10] <nalioth> torc_: now type kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[02:11] <torc_> mhmm
[02:11] <fatbrain> can I enable 'utf-8' in a terminal window?
[02:11] <fatbrain> (if that made any sense...)
[02:11] <Lathiat> fatbrain: should be enabled in konsole already
[02:12] <fatbrain> Lathiat: ok, perhaps it's just elinks that doesn't know how to display utf-8 text.
[02:12] <rikva> Can I set up my printer in Kubuntu so I can use it to print from another kubuntu machine?
[02:12] <Lathiat> fatbrain: quite possibly
[02:12] <Lathiat> fatbrain: try w3m perhaps
[02:12] <nalioth> fatbrain: or compile your elinks with utf-8 support
[02:13] <fatbrain> nalioth: good suggestion.
[02:13] <torc_> nalioth: what next?
[02:14] <nalioth> torc_: on the line(s) with ntfs in them, make the "ro,users,pid=blah,uid=blah" say "ro,auto,umask=000"
[02:17] <[t0rc] > #
[02:17] <[t0rc] > # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[02:17] <[t0rc] > proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[02:17] <[t0rc] > /dev/sda2       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[02:17] <[t0rc] > /dev/sda3       /home           ext3    defaults        0       2
[02:17] <[t0rc] > /dev/sda1       /media/sda1     ntfs    defaults        0       0
[02:17] <[t0rc] > /dev/sdb1       /media/sdb1     ntfs    defaults        0       0
[02:17] <[t0rc] > /dev/sda6       none            swap    sw              0       0
[02:17] <[t0rc] > /dev/hda        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[02:17] <[t0rc] > /dev/hdb        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[02:17] <[t0rc] > /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[02:17] <[t0rc] > #Added by winmac_fstab utility
[02:17] <[t0rc] > /dev/sda5 /media/0\040GB\040Disk\040(sda5) vfat rw,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000 0 0
[02:17] <[t0rc] > dammit. the exact thing i didn't want to do.
[02:17] <nalioth> holy cow
[02:17] <[t0rc] > please forgive me, stupid mistake on my part. 
[02:18] <{slacky}> hello
[02:18] <{slacky}> I'm trying to use KUbuntu
[02:18] <{slacky}> what is the ubuntu user password?
[02:19] <[t0rc] > your password
[02:19] <Lathiat> {slacky}: it is setup when you install
[02:21] <peewee> hola
[02:21] <{slacky}> Lathiat: for the LiveCD
[02:21] <{slacky}> I'm trying to change the screen resolution, but I can't
[02:21] <Lathiat> {slacky}: oh, there is no password
[02:21] <Lathiat> {slacky}: why not?
[02:21] <peewee> alguien ha tenido un problema con motif en Opera?
[02:22] <Lathiat> is it not in the list?
[02:22] <Lathiat> if not unfortunaely thats a bug in detection your monitor that takes a bit to fix
[02:22] <peewee> ...
[02:22] <{slacky}> Lathiat: well no it just tell me 640x480
[02:22] <peewee> sorry
[02:22] <peewee> somebody had been a problem with Motif in Opera?
[02:25] <martinjh99> Guys is there a way of making the default settings for Konq the KDE ones and not Kubuntu?  I seem to recall a wiki page...
[02:25] <nalioth> martinjh99: visit the faq at kubuntu.org
[02:26] <martinjh99> ta!  Will do.
[02:28] <libben> I have some problems with a ftping... and it tells me over and over while im downloading from the ftp. that i need to retry login because of to many simultainously connections from my ip
[02:28] <libben> i wanna check what hogs it more then just konq.
[02:28] <libben> is there any way to sniff what hogs to that ftp server?
[02:28] <nalioth> libben: ethereal
[02:30] <{slacky}> but in with way I upgrade all the system against security bugs?
[02:30] <{slacky}> with adept?
[02:31] <voicu> if i reinstall a package from kynaptic will it look for the last version?
[02:32] <voicu> i don't want to follow by myself the entire dependency tree that it needs
[02:32] <nalioth> voicu: it will
[02:33] <nalioth> voicu: adept always uses the latest version, unless otherwise told not to
[02:33] <voicu> ok, thanks
[02:33] <voicu> why did you write in red, was that an annoying question?
[02:35] <nalioth> voicu: you see this in red?
[02:35] <nalioth> and this line is normal?
[02:35] <mornfall> hilight?
[02:35] <mornfall> :-)
[02:35] <voicu> yes
[02:35] <voicu> :)
[02:35] <nalioth> voicu: your client is telling you something. (people are talking about you)
[02:35] <voicu> aa
[02:35] <voicu> :))
[02:36] <voicu> my client is very smart :))
[02:36] <nalioth> now you just have to learn to preface nicks in front of your text
[02:36] <nalioth> so those people know who you are talking to
[02:36] <voicu> nalioth: like this?
[02:37] <nalioth> voicu: like that exactly. on the larger busier channels, nick prefacing is almost required to carry on a conversation
[02:38] <voicu> nalioth: ok, i'll try to get use to it
[02:39] <nalioth> if you visit #ubuntu during a busy time, you'll see why it's necessary
[02:44] <rumburak> i cant run Enemy territory with sound, someone has same issue ?
[02:45] <tenco> hi all
[02:45] <tenco> how can i tell kopete that it should automatically reconnect when it is disconnected?
[02:47] <rumburak> tenco: settings > moduls .. i dont have eng version, but there it is
[02:48] <tenco> rumburak: too. german version.
[02:48] <tenco> rumburak: which module?
[02:49] <rumburak> tenco: i write it in eng, i donno german ... read about all, nice features
[02:50] <tenco> rumburak: hmm, yes. but i cant find the apropriate module for automatic reconnection.
[02:50] <rikva> I accidentaly borked my cupsd.conf. Where can I download the original (K)ubuntu version?
[02:50] <rumburak> tenco: connection state in english ;] 
[02:51] <rumburak> tenco: fifth from bottom
[02:51] <tenco> rumburak: ah. but i cannot change the settings ?-(
[02:52] <rumburak> tenco: if u stay with cursor on that name, popup tell u what it works
[02:52] <rumburak> tenco: how
[02:53] <tenco> rumburak: ah. thanks. :)
[02:53] <rumburak> tenco: np
[03:05] <obontu> hey, i just install kde on ubuntu for the 1st time, is there a cd ripper?
[03:06] <raphink> sure there is
[03:06] <apokryphos> kaudiocreator
[03:06] <raphink> you can even use konqueror as a cd ripper
[03:06] <obontu> really?
[03:06] <obontu> how?
[03:06] <raphink> which is what I do since it's really easy
[03:06] <apokryphos> yes; use the audiocd:/ kioslave
[03:06] <raphink> obontu: if you have an audio CD in your player
[03:06] <obontu> is there a package manager for kde? other than synaptic?
[03:06] <raphink> type 
[03:06] <raphink> audiocd:/
[03:06] <raphink> in the address bar
[03:06] <apokryphos> obontu: Adept is Kubuntu's Package Manager
[03:06] <raphink> you get a list of virtual encoded files, in virtual folders
[03:07] <raphink> obontu: there's adept, kynaptic, kpackage, kpkgmanager
[03:07] <obontu> where can i find all of those?
[03:07] <apokryphos> the only ones worth really using are adept or kpackage
[03:07] <raphink> obontu: to encode, you just need to take the virtual files from audiocd:/ and paste them somewhere on your hard drive
[03:07] <obontu> yeah i see tose virtual encoded files
[03:07] <obontu> really? kewl!
[03:07] <obontu> how do i change the quality?
[03:08] <raphink> I'm not sure you can set the quality with this method
[03:08] <raphink> at least I don't know how
[03:08] <raphink> never wondered
[03:08] <obontu> ok, so where can i find adpet and all those other package managers?
[03:09] <apokryphos> adept is already installed
[03:09] <apokryphos> KPackage you can get from the Universe repository
[03:09] <obontu> where in the menu i mean
[03:09] <apokryphos> obontu: guess; where would you put a package manager? ;-)
[03:10] <rumburak> simple question, how i can make my Kubuntu look super sweet ? some link ? ;] 
[03:10] <apokryphos> rumburak: kdelook.org
[03:10] <raphink> rumburak: kde-look.org
[03:10] <obontu> found it thanx
[03:10] <raphink> http://www.kde-look.org
[03:10] <raphink> :)
[03:10] <libben> any good email klient in kubuntu and can i start kmail only without going to it thru kontact?
[03:10] <raphink> rumburak: there you'll find all you need to tune your distro
[03:11] <apokryphos> libben: KMail is the best
[03:11] <rumburak> thx all
[03:11] <apokryphos> and if you don't want to run it through kontact, then just alt+f2 -> kmail
[03:11] <obontu> kde looks really confusing after using gnome alot 
[03:12] <apokryphos> perhaps; easy to get used to though
[03:12] <obontu> i suppose
[03:12] <apokryphos> consistency is pretty key in KDE apps
[03:12] <raphink> yes
[03:12] <obontu> what do you mean by that?
[03:13] <apokryphos> consistency in applications is maintained; i.e. menu structure, button usage, terminology etc etc
[03:13] <obontu> ah ok
[03:13] <obontu> where do i change the native lang.,.. i forgot :(
[03:13] <raphink> and integration too
[03:14] <raphink> kde apps are made to work with one another 
[03:14] <apokryphos> yup
[03:14] <raphink> like
[03:14] <raphink> if you get a message from a contact on kmail
[03:14] <obontu> when i load "lang selector" it won't let me change to anything but english
[03:14] <raphink> it'll tell you whether this contact is online on kopete
[03:14] <rumburak> can i handle gmail with kmail ?
[03:14] <obontu> nice
[03:14] <raphink> obontu: did you install the i18n for your language?
[03:14] <apokryphos> KDEPIM itself is a testimony to great integration
[03:14] <raphink> rumburak: yes you can
[03:14] <apokryphos> rumburak: of course
[03:14] <obontu> il8n?
[03:15] <obontu> what's that?
[03:15] <raphink> i18n obontu 
[03:15] <raphink> it's international packages
[03:15] <obontu> yes i think i did
[03:15] <obontu> oh there
[03:15] <obontu> now i can
[03:16] <raphink> hmmm
[03:21] <osh> where does webmin store it's password? It's not in /etc/passwords is it?
[03:34] <spiral> hi
[03:46] <martinjh99> Anyone else only get the floppy disc in the Storage Media window?? 
[03:53] <libben> any good program for editing the informationi for mp3's im getting werid collection in amaroK with alots o unknown etc
[03:53] <nalioth> easytag
[03:55] <Juerd> Good to know there will probably be shipit cds for Kubuntu!
[03:55] <Juerd> HURRAH!
[03:55] <nalioth> Juerd: that's pleasing to hear
[03:59] <voicu> when i want to install something with kynaptic, it says i have to uninstall a lot of other packages that i don't think i should uninstall (like Kubuntu desktop and English Language pack), what's the problem?
[04:01] <jairbubbles> this package must be vital
[04:01] <_buz> can someone explain me why mark shuttleworth now uses kubuntu but initially funded ubuntu as gnome distro?
[04:01] <voicu> it's not vital, it's a game
[04:01] <jairbubbles> voicu: well there's dependancies problems
[04:02] <nalioth> !kubuntu
[04:02] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE, not a fork ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[04:03] <nalioth> _buz: why does it matter? i use x/k/ubuntu all the time
[04:03] <_buz> i'm just wondering
[04:03] <Juerd> _buz: Probably a wrong understanding of ease of use.
[04:03] <Juerd> _buz: GNOME is easier to learn to use initially
[04:04] <_buz> i was trying to imagine where we'd be if ubuntu had been kde from day 1
[04:04] <Juerd> _buz: KDE is easier to use once you're past that level of skill.
[04:04] <_buz> i could never take gnome longer than 5min
[04:04] <_buz> but then again, i was using the console for years and years
[04:04] <Juerd> _buz: Because it felt limiting?
[04:04] <_buz> it's FUGLY
[04:04] <_buz> and dumbed down, yes
[04:04] <_buz> an incoherent mess
[04:05] <_buz> it's like all of the bad parts of osx with none of the good parts ;)
[04:05] <Juerd> Hah
[04:05] <mornfall> _buz: it's bad parts of osx combined with windows ;p
[04:06] <_buz> i'd chose win over gnome any day
[04:10] <threeseas> if you already have ubuntu breezy 5.10 then is there a way to make it kubuntu able instead of downloading the full kubuntu?
[04:10] <Juerd> Yes.
[04:10] <Juerd> Apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:10] <Juerd> s/A/a/
[04:11] <threeseas> thankyou
[04:16] <_StarScream> question, is there any way under linux you can get it so that when you press the eject button on the cd drive that it will automagically unmount and eject ?
[04:17] <ep> Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth announced that he was now using Kubuntu on his desktop machine and said he wanted Kubuntu to move to a first class distro (according to /.)
[04:17] <_StarScream> ep:  i just read that
[04:17] <_StarScream> sounds cool
[04:17] <ep> yeah
[04:25] <tenco> someone using umbrello here?
[04:35] <rumburak> how i can get registered here ?
[04:35] <Mez> what was the package to install for amarok MP3s ?
[04:37] <Mez> libmad-ocaml ?
[04:50] <kkathman> hello peeps :)
[05:01] <metallic> hello
[05:02] <kkathman> hi metallic :)
[05:03] <metallic> i have a problem, Xfce don't run on my Kubuntu, AMD64 computer. if i choice Xfce the screen becomes black. And it's return to login screen
[05:03] <metallic> it' s never happened to someone?
[05:04] <metallic> hi kkathman :)
[05:05] <Lathiat> metallic: check the file .xsession-errors
[05:05] <metallic> ok
[05:06] <kkathman> hmm no never had that happen, but then I dont have an AMD64 that runs linux :)
[05:06] <metallic> directory...? :) don't laugh please! eheh...
[05:06] <ep> yout got one that runs windows?
[05:07] <ep> locate .xessions
[05:08] <kkathman> metallic: that file should be in your home directory
[05:09] <metallic> ah ok...
[05:09] <kkathman> but you'll need to migrate to there with a cd
[05:10] <metallic> migrate to there whit a cd?
[05:10] <metallic> that file isn't my directory...
[05:10] <metallic> on my directory :)
[05:12] <metallic> ah yes... Ubuntu + XFCE
[05:13] <metallic> but i like KDE, and gnome
[05:13] <metallic> i want a system with KDE, Gnome and Xfce
[05:14] <metallic> I don't find .xsession-errors on my home directory...
[05:14] <kkathman> metallic: its should be there...its a system file, so you'll need to ls -a  to see it
[05:15] <kkathman> or navligate to /home/<yourname>/  and type ls -a
[05:16] <kkathman> or when you get there you can type cat .xsession-errors
[05:16] <kkathman> if there isnt anything there...thats a good thing.
[05:16] <metallic> I know, I have confused "ls -i" with "ls -a"... ups
[05:18] <metallic> it's very long...
[05:18] <kkathman> yah
[05:18] <metallic> all of kde... various errors of kde
[05:18] <kkathman> I had to clean mine out hehe
[05:19] <dante> Hola alguien que me ayude?
[05:19] <kkathman> dante: Ingles solomente por favor :)
[05:19] <dante> my inglish is fuck
[05:19] <dante> bueno gracias de todas formas
[05:19] <dante> bye
[05:19] <dante> :s
[05:21] <metallic> boh...
[05:23] <metallic> i found a ".xsession-errors-:1" but it's empty...
[05:23] <metallic> i have found
[05:23] <metallic> sorry, i'm not english!
[05:29] <metallic> on a forum i have read an interessant post, it's responsability of kdm... "login console"!!!! :)
[05:29] <metallic> bye!
[05:45] <bhna> hi
[05:47] <kkathman> hey bhna :)
[05:47] <kkathman> wassup?
[05:48] <levi> kkathman: 
[05:48] <levi> what up
[05:48] <kkathman> howdy levi :)
[05:48] <kkathman> ahhh endo602 recognize you now :)
[05:48] <endo602> sorry
[05:48] <endo602> man
[05:48] <endo602> im having trouble
[05:48] <kkathman> np
[05:48] <endo602> with some stuff
[05:48] <endo602> but first
[05:49] <kkathman> whats wrong
[05:49] <endo602> we had a baby boy this week
[05:49] <endo602> that is not the problem
[05:49] <endo602> the problemn is with playing dvds with vlc
[05:49] <kkathman> wow congratulations!!! My best and blessings to you and your family :)
[05:49] <endo602> automounting my smd drives
[05:49] <endo602> and auto mounting my usb
[05:49] <PJeremy> does xine play mpc?
[05:49] <kkathman> endo602: I think there are some bugs there...but workarounds also..
[05:50] <endo602> dvd?
[05:50] <kkathman> that automounting seems to be cropping upi
[05:50] <endo602> ahhh
[05:50] <kkathman> the DVD thing shouldnt be tho
[05:50] <endo602> what about the dvd
[05:50] <endo602> i cant get it to play
[05:50] <PJeremy> libdvdcss2 installed?
[05:51] <kkathman> endo602: what version of VLC are you using
[05:51] <endo602> 4.0.2
[05:51] <kkathman> hmm
[05:51] <kkathman> really?
[05:51] <endo602> too old?
[05:52] <PJeremy> no
[05:52] <kkathman> No I think thats wrong
[05:52] <kkathman> cuz the current vlc I think is 0.8 something and thats beta
[05:52] <kkathman> lemme check
[05:53] <kkathman> yah 0.8.4
[05:53] <endo602> under version sasy 4.0.2
[05:53] <NeOnRaBbIt> hey
[05:53] <endo602> but somewhere else it says 0.8.4
[05:53] <kkathman> yah
[05:53] <kkathman> did you install it yourself?
[05:53] <NeOnRaBbIt> just wondering, whats the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu?
[05:53] <PJeremy> endo602: right at the top of where you got 4.0.2 from ;)
[05:54] <kkathman> NeOnRaBbIt: Kubuntu = Ubuntu + KDE
[05:54] <kkathman> brb
[05:54] <NeOnRaBbIt> sorry, im new to linux, how is KDE better or different?
[05:55] <PJeremy> endo602: do you have libdvdcss2 installed?
[05:55] <endo602> nah
[05:56] <PJeremy> endo602: don't you need it for dvd playback?
[05:58] <endo602> dont know
[05:58] <PJeremy> NeOnRaBbIt: it's not better, test the different windowing systems and pick the one you like best
[05:58] <endo602> its not coming up on my adept
[05:58] <PJeremy> endo602: well, i'm pretty sure you do.
[05:58] <PJeremy> !sources
[05:58] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[05:58] <kkathman> NeOnRaBbIt: KDE is another, very nicely configured, easy to tailor GUI for linux
[05:58] <endo602> PJeremy: sorry man it aint here
[05:59] <kkathman> NeOnRaBbIt: go to www.kde.org to see examples
[05:59] <NeOnRaBbIt> alright ill check that out
[06:00] <PJeremy> endo602: i built my sources list with the sourceomatic, and its there.
[06:00] <NeOnRaBbIt> which would you say runs fastest?
[06:00] <PJeremy> NeOnRaBbIt: CLI
[06:00] <PJeremy> :p
[06:00] <NeOnRaBbIt> CLI?
[06:00] <PJeremy> command line interface..
[06:00] <NeOnRaBbIt> oh
[06:03] <kkathman> NeOnRaBbIt: THey all run fine, given the necessary resource
[06:04] <kkathman> NeOnRaBbIt: For a decent system with enough memory, most people will prefer KDE over, say Gnome
[06:04] <PJeremy> kkathman: i wouldnt say that..
[06:04] <endo602> doo
[06:04] <kkathman> In KDE you can run CLI simultaneous with the GUI
[06:04] <endo602> d
[06:05] <DocTomoe> kkathman: have you ever heard of eterm?
[06:05] <PJeremy> kkathman: most people i know prefer gnome..
[06:05] <kkathman> PJeremy: wouldnt say what?
[06:05] <kkathman> Its always personal preference, most people I know prefer KDE..so hehe
[06:05] <DocTomoe> Can someone please enlighten me what that journal stuff in kontact is for?
[06:05] <claudiu> hello guys
[06:05] <kkathman> DocTomoe: yah  eterm is a terminal emulator
[06:06] <relas> Anyone here who is able to support with a small problem in java programming?
[06:06] <kkathman> DocTomoe: for journaling I guess, if you are into that
[06:06] <claudiu> i am coming from gentoo and i have trouble using nvidia driver. can someone help ?
[06:06] <kkathman> relas: probably you should go to a java channel :)
[06:07] <PJeremy> relas: more likely to find someone in #java ;)
[06:07] <DocTomoe> hm, problems with KDE ... that korganizer documentation is from 2001 -_-
[06:07] <endo602> PJeremy:  still not there
[06:07] <PJeremy> endo602: did you run sudo apt-get update?
[06:08] <kkathman> PJeremy: I would submit that  Gnome is better for many who are on a budget and are "hobbiests" that have older machines with less performant CPUs and memory . I still have a Gnome install here on my Dell p3 450 with 128MB
[06:09] <endo602> yes i did
[06:10] <_claudiu> back again
[06:10] <PJeremy> kkathman: i'd rather use xfce or fluxbox or blackbox on older machines..
[06:10] <_claudiu> i am an ex-gentoo user and I have big trouble with setting up nvidia driver
[06:10] <PJeremy> kkathman: what do you mean with "on a budget" ?
[06:10] <le_chat> me too, Claudiu :-(
[06:11] <endo602> kkathman: the smb drives are automounted to /mnt/data\
[06:11] <endo602> data
[06:11] <endo602> but not linked correction to the folders i orginally set that too
[06:11] <_claudiu> le_chat: maybe we will get som help here
[06:11] <kkathman> PJeremy: agreed, especially on low end machines...less overhead...but I think we'd agree, that since most distros install Gnome as default, that many people never bother to even look or install KDE so... again its just a preference
[06:11] <le_chat> i'll try, i'll try ;-)
[06:11] <kkathman> endo602: yes thats normal
[06:12] <kkathman> PJeremy:  On a budget...i.e. they want to use an "old" machine that has basically become a boat anchor to experiment or learn about Linux
[06:12] <NeOnRaBbIt> would you guys say ubuntu/kubuntu would be alright running on two pc's with 467 and 223mhz? or should i try a distro thats less beefy?
[06:13] <_claudiu> any "ubuntu guru" here or such ?
[06:13] <PJeremy> _claudiu: you may try #ubuntu as well
[06:13] <Juerd> _claudiu: Just ask your question. You'll find out if someone is guru enough.
[06:13] <PJeremy> kkathman: yea I'd agree with it being preference
[06:13] <kkathman> NeOnRaBbIt: ubuntu will be fine...I am running ubuntu on an old HP with only 96 MB memory
[06:13] <chakie> NeOnRaBbIt: depends on what you are satisfied with
[06:13] <_claudiu> Juerd: i have trouble setting up nvidia driver
[06:14] <chakie> enough memory and it will work fine
[06:14] <NeOnRaBbIt> yea i had xp pro on there before a friend of mine told me to try the switch
[06:14] <Juerd> _claudiu: Have you tried Google?
[06:14] <NeOnRaBbIt> one has 128 other with 64
[06:14] <kkathman> NeOnRaBbIt: but in general, the older the machine, the more memory you need to run a GUI
[06:14] <_claudiu> PJeremy: nvidia driver wont work here
[06:14] <Juerd> afk
[06:14] <_claudiu> Juerd: i dont get an explicit error message
[06:14] <NeOnRaBbIt> see i would like to run command line only with no gui BUT, i know NOTHING of linux and its commands...well i wouldnt say nothing but very little
[06:15] <kkathman> PJeremy: WHAT???   Im running nVidia just file :)
[06:15] <PJeremy> _claudiu: i wouldn't know anything about nvidia ;) i have an ati. i just meant that you may try the ubuntu channel as well since the base system is the same
[06:15] <le_chat> I've got too a problem with NVidia Driver
[06:15] <PJeremy> kkathman: i don't have probs with nvidia ;) _claudiu does.
[06:15] <le_chat> I Dled it from 3W.NV.com
[06:15] <kkathman> In general ATI is linux unfriendly, but there are exceptions
[06:15] <_claudiu> Juerd: xorg dies when starting right after (II) Initializing extension GLX
[06:16] <kkathman> !nvidia
[06:16] <ubotu> rumour has it, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[06:16] <PJeremy> kkathman: heh, it's a good card and i don't play in linux...
[06:17] <_claudiu> ubotu: thanks , i tried many howtos, and right now i just removed any RESTRICTTED-MODULES, NVIDIA-GLX and such
[06:17] <ubotu> _claudiu: de nada
[06:17] <kkathman> right... but alot of people do, and they dont have your skill...
[06:17] <_claudiu> ubotu: as a gentoo user, i just don't get it. what it takes to have nvidia working
[06:17] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, _claudiu
[06:18] <PJeremy> _claudiu: ubotu is a BOT ;)
[06:18] <_claudiu> PJeremy: okay. hope you're not
[06:18] <kkathman> _claudiu: ubotu is a bot...hehe  search those links it suggested :)
[06:18] <Mars> Hi
[06:18] <PJeremy> _claudiu: well, according to my last girlfriend..eh..
[06:18] <kkathman> HI Mars :)
[06:18] <Mars> I have problem with kx docker
[06:18] <Mars> I am very problematic person :)
[06:18] <kkathman> PJeremy: oh now thats not what I heard from her :)
[06:19] <endo602> fixed the problem :)
[06:19] <PJeremy> kkathman: you and the rest of the football team ;)
[06:19] <Mars> So when i run kx docker there is a lot of unuseful (for me) icons like / /dev And i cant delete them
[06:19] <kkathman> PJeremy: exactly :) hehe ^5s
[06:19] <_claudiu> gentoo was a breeze with using nvidia
[06:19] <endo602> now i gotta figure out how to automount the usb when i plug it in
[06:19] <_claudiu> gentoo IS a breeze with using nvidia
[06:19] <_claudiu> sorry
[06:19] <Le_Chat> I'll check the URLs, ty
[06:19] <kkathman> _claudiu: My system ran nvidia right out of the box
[06:20] <bhna> kxdocker is a monster
[06:20] <_claudiu> kkathman: i did dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server and the standard xorg.conf i got was useless
[06:20] <endo602> ?
[06:20] <endo602> bhna: how yo mena
[06:21] <kkathman> _claudiu: did you go to those links above?
[06:21] <bhna> very user unfriendly
[06:21] <PJeremy> kkathman: do you know if xine play mpc files?
[06:21] <endo602> true
[06:21] <_claudiu> kkathman: well one of them is an empty document
[06:21] <kkathman> PJeremy: no, I dont even enable sound on  my box at all
[06:22] <bhna> endo602: many icons and no documenations. fullscreen windows going over kxdocker ...
[06:22] <kkathman> _claudiu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[06:22] <toko123> greetiings
[06:22] <PJeremy> kkathman: i can't live without music 
[06:22] <_claudiu> the other one seems to be a TEN PAGES HOWTO for setting up nvidia. Sorry, but this is stupid, there must be an automatic way to do this
[06:23] <toko123> lsmod |grep snd shows sequencer but kdeinfo shows not enables?
[06:23] <kkathman> PJeremy: I have a multimedia Win system...for creating/composing music and video...so I kinda dont need one in Linux
[06:23] <PJeremy> kkathman: nice. i only have one pc..
[06:24] <kkathman> PJeremy: I have 6 in my office here
[06:24] <kkathman> plus another 2 elsewhere
[06:24] <toko123> snd_seq_device yes   kdeinfo sound no?
[06:24] <kkathman> PJeremy: unfortunately they are split 3 linux and 3 windows :)
[06:25] <toko123> snd_seq_device yes   kdeinfo sound_sequencer no?
[06:25] <PJeremy> kkathman: nice. i probably will have more than one once i have a job, but for now i'm just a little student :)
[06:25] <_claudiu> kkathman: well it seems like this is going to be a pain. nvidia-glx has a 386 kernel as a dependancy
[06:25] <kkathman> well my multimedia Winbox is not "unfortunately"  its gassed up pretty good for audio/video
[06:26] <PJeremy> kkathman: ever authored a dvd with menus in linux?
[06:27] <_claudiu> kkathman: and all this legacy stuff forces me to use that 386 kernel. It seems like ubuntu needs much work 
[06:28] <kkathman> _claudiu: well, if ubuntu doesnt suit you, try another distro...there are hundreds :)
[06:28] <kkathman> PJeremy: yes
[06:29] <PJeremy> kkathman: cli only or with a gui ?
[06:29] <kkathman> PJeremy: but not normally...I have a colleague that does the post production for the most part now using a combo of Avid and some of the software he has
[06:29] <_claudiu> kkathman: i like ubuntu for being simpler to install but it fails with simple things like this tens of pages about setting up nvidia 
[06:29] <kkathman> PJeremy: ohh not in linux at all
[06:29] <LeeJunFan> I think it's the non x64 things that need the work, not the OS, you shouldn't have to double up on libs for 32 bit stuff because 1-3 applications on a system are legacy.
[06:29] <_claudiu> kkathman: gentoo does it with > emerge nvidia-kernel and thats all
[06:30] <PJeremy> _claudiu: just curious, but why did you change distros?
[06:30] <kkathman> _claudiu: all I can tell you, is that for me...I put the CD in about a year ago, and it recognized my nvidia with no problems whatsoever, and Ive migrated through 2 major upgrades since then with NO problems
[06:31] <_claudiu> kkathman: PJeremy , sick of compiling for days for a simple word changed in the sources by the devs
[06:31] <kkathman> _claudiu: I never issued ONE command...the install recognized it...that seems better I think no commands :)
[06:32] <_claudiu> kkathman: do you have 3d acceleration, maybe you are running with "nv" driver ?
[06:32] <PJeremy> _claudiu: that'd annoy me as well
[06:32] <kkathman> _claudiu: then switch to something else...or /join #ubuntu for the kernal/technical help...this is for kubuntu
[06:32] <_claudiu> kkathman: thanks, i will try to get help on ubuntu
[06:33] <_claudiu> kkathman: i was wondering . maybe if i would remove all the nvidia stuff and rm some tmp, will that do it ?
[06:33] <_juan> hola
[06:33] <_claudiu> kkathman: maybe i should rm manually some files and i dont knw which
[06:33] <_juan> alguien habla espaol?
[06:34] <bretzel> Hey! 
[06:34] <bretzel> How to get a working tutorial on kbfx ???? I dunno nothing about this one and would like to make it run
[06:35] <braineater> italiano?
[06:36] <kkathman> bretzel: http://www.linuxlots.com/~siraj/kde/plugin/home/index.php
[06:36] <bretzel> kkathman: oh! thanks alot ! :-)
[06:38] <kkathman> np
[06:40] <bretzel>  kkathman:  ??? It says NOTHING on how to make it run and how to install themes for it :-(
[06:40] <kkathman> bretzel: maybe trying Google ?
[06:49] <Mars> Someone can help me with kxdocker?
[06:49] <kkathman> kxdocker???
[06:49] <Mars> E macOs docker
[06:50] <kkathman> Mars have you checked out:  http://www.xiaprojects.com/www/prodotti/kxdocker/main.php
[06:50] <Mars> njo
[06:50] <Mars> no
[06:51] <Mars> mean
[06:51] <Mars> yes
[06:51] <Mars> but what you mean?
[06:52] <kkathman> I mean... typically the home page for the app has ALOT of information on how to install/use and configure
[06:52] <davedorm> help!
[06:52] <davedorm> lol
[06:52] <Mars> no
[06:52] <kkathman> Hi davedorm  :)
[06:52] <Mars> i have roblem with plugins
[06:53] <Mars> i cant find answer there
[06:53] <kkathman> davedorm: whats the problem :)
[06:53] <PJeremy> kkathman: which distro would you recommend for an old dell laptop with _probably_ a p3 500mhz and _hopefully_ 128mb ram and some graphicscard..it has an external cd drive and external floppydrive, both can't be plugged in at the same time. 
[06:54] <kkathman> Mars http://www.kde-forum.org/archive/11543/thread.html  does this help you?
[06:54] <PJeremy> kkathman: it'll be mainly used as typewriter..
[06:54] <kkathman> PJeremy: are you going to be primarily CLI or do you want gui?
[06:55] <PJeremy> kkathman: gui
[06:55] <kkathman> PJeremy: I have a similar machine here
[06:55] <kkathman> I run ubuntu with Gnome
[06:55] <kkathman> but
[06:55] <kkathman> I have also rung XFCE on it and it works very well also
[06:55] <kkathman> run
[06:55] <davedorm> ok... I cannot get anywhere in the GUI admin stuff... it prompts me for my sudo password, spins the little hourglass, and goes away
[06:55] <PJeremy> kkathman: it's not for me, it's for my parents.. right now theres win98se on it with a bunch of programs like office xp which almost kill the machine..
[06:56] <Mars_^> Which docker is the best ?
[06:56] <kkathman> PJeremy: yah...if you know ubuntu yourself, then XFCE might be better
[06:56] <kkathman> davedorm: can you be more specific as to what you are trying to do?
[06:57] <davedorm> access drives (where it edits fstab)
[06:57] <PJeremy> kkathman: i just want it to be somewhat fast and reliable. since my parents don't know much windows or computers switching to linux should be easy :)
[06:57] <davedorm> disks and filesystems
[06:57] <kkathman> davedorm: running breezy and kubuntu?
[06:57] <davedorm> yup
[06:57] <davedorm> 5.10
[06:57] <PJeremy> +about^^
[06:58] <icewt> davedorm: that should be fixed in the latest updates
[06:58] <davedorm> ok, so do an update in Adept?
[06:58] <kkathman> PJeremy: theres another GUI out there that looks like Windows...XPDE I think...but I dont know the resources needed
[06:58] <kkathman> davedorm: be sure to run Adept Updater
[06:58] <davedorm> I'll try that
[06:58] <davedorm> thanks
[06:58] <kkathman> the admin probs were fixed a few days ago
[06:58] <PJeremy> kkathman: what the gui looks like is pretty irrelevant..just should have very very low requirements.
[06:59] <davedorm> I also get errors that dcopserver is not running
[06:59] <kkathman> PJeremy: Try Gnome to begin with.... My Dell is an old 1997 p3 450 with 128
[06:59] <kkathman> and it seems pretty stable and responsive with Gnome
[07:00] <kkathman> I dont use it as a production machine  per se, its mostly for file storage
[07:00] <kkathman> but still when I do get on it...its fine
[07:00] <PJeremy> kkathman: have you used OOo2 on it/printed with it? i don't think my parents will do more than that..
[07:01] <Sonny_Wertzik> does anyone here use the moodin theme engine?
[07:01] <davedorm> ok, it's running... we'll see if that fixes it... I am a staunch Mepis user, so I wanted to try Kubuntu
[07:01] <kkathman> PJeremy: cant say that I have sorry...it will prolly be slow, just because of the memory I'd reckon
[07:01] <kkathman> but should run once loaded
[07:01] <kkathman> lemme try that real quick PJeremy ok...gimme a sec
[07:01] <PJeremy> kkathman: sure, thanks
[07:02] <davedorm> and once I installed stuff I was missing, lol, Kubuntu was not that bad
[07:03] <Mars> What's the best docker in your opinion?
[07:03] <Sonny_Wertzik> Mars, u mean like a mac os style docker?
[07:04] <jpowers> Mars: I'm very happy with kooldock
[07:04] <kkathman> PJeremy: I just fired OO 1.1 up (MY Dell is still on hoary)...it took about 40 seconds to bring it up, but after that..it was fine
[07:04] <jpowers> 40 secs
[07:05] <jpowers> blah
[07:05] <kkathman> jpowers: p3 450 128 MB
[07:05] <kkathman> hehe not my production machine :)
[07:05] <jpowers> whew
[07:05] <kkathman> its a file server only
[07:05] <Mars_^> Sonny_Wertzik,  Yes MacOs one
[07:05] <kkathman> but PJeremy wanted some benchmarks
[07:05] <jpowers> Mars: I'm very happy with kooldock
[07:06] <Sonny_Wertzik> Mars, well ksmoothdock is written well and easy to configure , but i like kxdocker
[07:07] <Sonny_Wertzik> Mars, kxdocker is a pain to configure and the instruction are written by an italian guy in broken english
[07:07] <PJeremy> kkathman: hui, i guess OOo2 wouldnt be faster :/
[07:08] <Sonny_Wertzik> Mars, but when u understand whats going on i think its got the most potential
[07:08] <Mars^> Sonny_Wertzik, yes i gave up it :)
[07:08] <kkathman> PJeremy:  probably not...but if your folks were to bite the bullet and get just another 256 mb (very cheap upgrade) then it would be better I imagine
[07:08] <Mars^> but i dont know what use now
[07:08] <Mars^> which docker cause i dont want kxdocker :)
[07:08] <kkathman> Mars^: anything particularly wrong with the native kicker in KDE?
[07:09] <Sonny_Wertzik> Mars^, try ksmoothdock ..the second to newest version its flawless
[07:09] <kkathman> Mars^: have you tried putting a graphical image there, or use the transparency mode?
[07:09] <PJeremy> kkathman: unlikely, they just took it because my dad got it for free, they're not computer people..
[07:09] <Mars^> kkathman, i was trying to do a lot of things yesterday :)
[07:09] <kkathman> PJeremy: but you could easily put the memory in the machine...but I understand
[07:10] <kkathman> Mars^: best to stick with one thing at a time, get that stable and working :)
[07:10] <Mars^> i will try ksmoothdoc
[07:10] <PJeremy> kkathman: sure i could, but not with my money ;)
[07:11] <Sonny_Wertzik> Mars^, ya kxdocker is a pain until u find someone that understand what the hell the guy who wrote it is doing
[07:11] <kkathman> PJeremy:  oh...hehe your folks should be able to get the memory upgrade for probably less than $30-40
[07:12] <Sonny_Wertzik> Mars^, i could not compile the newest version of ksmoothdock but the second to newest version is good
[07:12] <Mars^> i will try
[07:13] <PJeremy> kkathman: that's twice as much as my dad would have paid for the laptop hehe
[07:13] <PJeremy> +what
[07:13] <Sonny_Wertzik> Mars^, i think it version 3.5.1.
[07:13] <Mars^> Sonny_Wertzik, yes i cant compile it too
[07:14] <Sonny_Wertzik> Mars^, heh...the new one just has some new tweaks i think not any fixes
[07:14] <Sonny_Wertzik> Mars^, so 3.5.1. should be good to go 4 u
[07:16] <Mars___> Sonny_Wertzik, so which one schould i compile?
[07:17] <Sonny_Wertzik> Mars^, dont compile just go to KDE look web site and D/L version 3.5..1.
[07:17] <bruger> Hi, anybody that can help me with my mouse in kde?
[07:18] <robin_> although, the HAL fix, now let me normally use usbsticks, it still opens two windows when I connect my iPod
[07:18] <robin_> and I can't umount it, because it isn't in fstab.
[07:20] <bruger> Hi, I'm having a problem with my mouse in KDE, it moves in a delayed kindof way and I can't get it working like a regular mouse
[07:20] <bruger> it's just a regular usb mouse and works fine other places. Anybody has a clue what I could do to ficx it?
[07:22] <bruger> anybody have any idea what it could be? I'm using kubuntu breezy but I'm suspecting its something in the X configuration
[07:24] <Sonny_Wertzik> Mars^, its one of these on this page http://intranet.harlaut.net/debian/ksmoothdock/ depending on which kubuntu u use i386...amd64...whatever
[07:25] <Sonny_Wertzik> bruger,  have u tried system settings > mouse
[07:26] <Sonny_Wertzik> bruger,  sound like what u would call mouse acceleration setting if it were windows
[07:29] <Sonny_Wertzik> bruger, under the advanced tab in mouse settings there are 5 or 6 setting to play with
[07:29] <Mars_^> ehh
[07:29] <Sonny_Wertzik> Mars_^, stop logging in and out hehehehehehe
[07:29] <Mars_^> I ve got problem with deb of smoothdocker
[07:29] <Mars_^> its not my false
[07:30] <Sonny_Wertzik> Mars^, its one of these on this page http://intranet.harlaut.net/debian/ksmoothdock/ depending on which kubuntu u use i386...amd64...whatever
[07:31] <Mars_^> yes
[07:31] <Mars_^> i was trying to install from deb
[07:31] <Sonny_Wertzik> Mars_^, ok what happened
[07:33] <Mars_^> some problems with libriares
[07:33] <Mars_^> kdedev4
[07:34] <Sonny_Wertzik> Mars_^, and ??
[07:34] <Mars_^> i couldnt install it
[07:34] <Mars_^> but
[07:34] <Mars_^> now i installed it from source
[07:35] <Mars_^> and it doesent run :] 
[07:35] <Mars_^> :
[07:35] <Sonny_Wertzik> mars sounds like you might not have installed the development files for KDE
[07:35] <Mars_^> ehh
[07:35] <Mars_^> i think i have :)
[07:36] <Sonny_Wertzik> make sure u have kde-devel installed  in adept
[07:39] <Mars> it says that i dont have :
[07:39] <Mars> kde-devel
[07:39] <Mars> no
[07:39] <Mars> libqt3c102-mt
[07:39] <Sonny_Wertzik> mars u mean its not listed?
[07:39] <Mars> dpkg: problemy z zalenociami uniemoliwiaj skonfigurowanie ksmoothdock:
[07:39] <Mars>  ksmoothdock zaley od kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.2.2); jednake:
[07:39] <Mars>   Pakiet kdelibs4 nie jest zainstalowany.
[07:39] <Mars>  ksmoothdock zaley od libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.2.3); jednake:
[07:39] <Mars>   Pakiet libqt3c102-mt nie jest zainstalowany.
[07:39] <Mars> dpkg: bd przetwarzania ksmoothdock (--install):
[07:39] <Mars> o
[07:39] <Mars> in polish
[07:40] <Mars> but it says i dont have mentioned
[07:40] <Sonny_Wertzik> Mars, are  all your repositories enabled?
[07:41] <PJeremy> kkathman: you use opera, right?
[07:42] <davedorm> w00t
[07:43] <davedorm> that worked
[07:43] <davedorm> still does not see my thumb drive
[07:43] <davedorm> lol
[07:43] <davedorm> but I'll manage
[07:43] <manveru> Mars: if you've got some time, i'm building a .deb from source atm... it will hopefully work better
[07:46] <Knowerrors> How do I enable mp3 support on kubuntu?  I have w32codecs installed as well as gstreamer0.8-musepack and gstreamer0.8-misc
[07:46] <bruger> sonny_wertzik thx, I'll take a look at it
[07:46] <robin_> Knowerrors:gstreamer-mad
[07:46] <Sonny_Wertzik> bruger, no prob yw
[07:47] <robin_> Knowerrors: you can use xine engine also for amarok
[07:48] <Sonny_Wertzik> Knowerrors, you need to iInstall the akode-mpeg and gstreamer0.8-mad packages from the universe repository and killall artsd to restart the sound server
[07:49] <Sonny_Wertzik> Knowerrors, are you trying to use amaok?
[07:49] <Sonny_Wertzik> Knowerrors, Amarok
[07:49] <Knowerrors> yeah, or kaffience, either one
[07:49] <Knowerrors> kaffiene
[07:50] <Knowerrors> hehe, bad spelling people in the morning
[07:50] <Sonny_Wertzik> Knowerrors, ya..................you need to iInstall the akode-mpeg and gstreamer0.8-mad packages from the universe repository and killall artsd to restart the sound server
[07:50] <Sonny_Wertzik> Knowerrors, or just reboot
[07:51] <Knowerrors> ok, thx Sonny_Wertzik , doing that now, got 28.8 dialup so will be a time
[07:51] <Sonny_Wertzik> Knowerrors, heh...ok 
[07:51] <bruger> sonny_wertzik It's nok like its mouse acceleration, the mouse is actually about  second delayed, not like a mouse should be. It worked fine when I used debian, but after I switched it stopped working correctly
[07:52] <bruger> sonny_wertzik nok=not
[07:52] <Mars_^> manveru, ?
[07:53] <Sonny_Wertzik> bruger, im just guessing here but look at the advanced tab....maybe drag start time?
[07:53] <Sonny_Wertzik> bruger, ior pionter threshhold?
[07:55] <Sonny_Wertzik> bruger, back in 3 minutes ..i have to do something
[07:55] <bruger> sonny_wertzik, I suppose it helped with the drag start time, but it's not anywhere near acceptable still. I thinks its something else
[07:55] <bruger> ok
[07:55] <bruger> sonny_wertzik ok 
[08:00] <bruger> Sonny_wertzik, I think its the X settings because the mouse begins acting strange as soon as I start any X including just kdm
[08:01] <Sonny_Wertzik> bruger, sorry man..i dont know anything else
[08:01] <Knowerrors> Sonny_Wertzik: did the steps, kaffiene and amarok still won't play, is there anything else I gotta do?
[08:01] <bruger> sonny_wertzik, allright, thx anyway :-)
[08:01] <Sonny_Wertzik> bruger, np
[08:02] <Sonny_Wertzik> Knowerrors, ya ummm 1 sec
[08:05] <Sonny_Wertzik> Knowerrors, open the main menu > system settings> sound and mutimedia> hardware tab> select audio device...............change it to open sound system or anything other than atuo
[08:05] <libben> where can i find debs for kubuntu that is not in repos ?
[08:06] <troth> i just downloaded a new .iso live cd. can someone direct me to a tutorial, or help, with how to burn as an image
[08:07] <Sonny_Wertzik> Knowerrors, there is also 1 more thing u can try if that doesnt work let me know
[08:08] <troth> nevermind i think i found it with K3b
[08:11] <troth> ya i figured it out with K3b
[08:11] <Noaires> Sonny_Wertzik: didn't work... is there anything I need to change in the gstreamer engine settings?
[08:12] <Sonny_Wertzik> Noaires, is that u knowerrors?           did u reboot after you installed akode-mpeg and gstreamer-mad?
[08:13] <Madeye> guys, I have java installed,  jad@madi:~$ java -version
[08:13] <Madeye> java version "1.4.2"
[08:13] <Madeye> gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.0.2 20050808 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.0.1-4ubuntu9)
[08:13] <Noaires> Yeah, thats knowerrors, I need to register that name cause modem boots me
[08:13] <Madeye> but it's not working in konquerer
[08:13] <Sonny_Wertzik> Noaires, ya there is something else
[08:13] <Madeye> how can I fix that 
[08:13] <Noaires> no, didn't reboot, just killall artsd
[08:14] <Sonny_Wertzik> Noaires, id reboot
[08:14] <Sonny_Wertzik> Noaires, but try this also aftarward
[08:15] <Madeye> anyone?
[08:15] <musashiden> hello. i just installed a HardDrive in my computer, now all i need to do is mount it.
[08:16] <Sonny_Wertzik> Noaires, open amarok click settings> configure amarok>go to engine and pick gstreamer pick oss output plugin too
[08:16] <musashiden> can anyone tell me how to real quick?
[08:18] <Noaires> Sonny_Wertzik: how do I view Amarok error log, cause it gives me a gstreamer error that disappears real quick
[08:18] <libben> ui
[08:18] <musashiden> Noaires: shouldnt you ask amarok related questions in #amarok
[08:18] <musashiden> ?
[08:18] <Noaires> its not just amarok related musashiden 
[08:18] <musashiden> oh, gotcha
[08:19] <Sonny_Wertzik> Noaires, dont know....but reboot your machine before you do anything else....killall artsd...man if you arent using artsd it aint gonna mean much
[08:19] <Noaires> its playing mp3s through gstreamer on any program
[08:19] <Allah> ALAAAAAAAAAAAAH
[08:19] <Noaires> okeeedokey, will do, thx Sonny_Wertzik 
[08:19] <musashiden> anyways, can anyone tell me how to mount a new hard drive?
[08:21] <musashiden> hmph, guess nobody knows how
[08:22] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, 1 sec i have a web page i think
[08:24] <_op> I  setup samba but i am trying to set it up so that it does not need a login becuase i am connecting to it with somthing that cannot input that. How do i do that?
[08:25] <libben> whats the line for emualting button3 in xorg?
[08:25] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, what filesystem is the partition?
[08:26] <musashiden> Sonny_Wertzik: erm, i think it the one windows use. htfs or something
[08:26] <musashiden> cant remember the exact name
[08:26] <musashiden> but its the one windows XP uses
[08:27] <libben> what was the emulate thing to type for getting the two mouse button to act as mouse3
[08:28] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, ya NTFS.....http://www.majalah.com/#automountfat  .....scroll up or down to find the NTFS entry
[08:29] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, its in there somewhere
[08:29] <musashiden> ok, thank you
[08:29] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, yw
[08:34] <Sonny_Wertzik> does anyone here use the moodin theme engine?
[08:35] <nikitis> Are there any guides for installing Dual ATI Video cards in Kubuntu?
[08:40] <musashiden> hmmm, how about how to format the hard drive? anyone knows how to do that?
[08:41] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, did u mount it?
[08:41] <musashiden> yes
[08:42] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, and u can see it and read the contents of the partition?
[08:45] <musashiden> yup
[08:45] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, ok cool....you want to overwrite the windows partition ?
[08:46] <meldroc> just upgraded to breezy, now kaffeine won't find w32codecs when everything else, including xine and mplayer, can.
[08:46] <musashiden> errr. all i want is to completely erase the harddrive. format it if you will
[08:48] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, well i need to know what you want to format it for...like what filesystem..if you want to make it a windows partion or a linux partition
[08:48] <musashiden> linux partition
[08:49] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, well put in the linux cd and boot from it...find the partition u want to change and edit only that partition manually
[08:50] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, it will destroy all data on that partition
[08:50] <nikitis> So....   Are there any guides for installing two ATI Cards?
[08:50] <musashiden> isnt there a way to do it from here?
[08:51] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, what kubuntu are u using ...hoary..or breezy?
[08:52] <musashiden> erm...not sure
[08:52] <musashiden> i think it was hoary
[08:52] <musashiden> yah, it is hoary
[08:53] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, im not sure about diong what u want in hoary....u might try the repository and see if there is a partition manager program for hoary
[08:54] <nikitis> Anyone know where I can find info on installing Two ATI Cards?
[08:54] <musashiden> nah, ok, ill just do it from the cd
[08:54] <musashiden> thanks for the help nevertheless
[08:54] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, sure
[08:54] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, good luck
[08:54] <musashiden> Sonny_Wertzik: thank you
[08:55] <nikitis> Sonny_Wertzik, Would you happen to know where I can find a guide to install two ATI Cards?
[08:59] <Sonny_Wertzik> nikitis, ummm what version of kubuntu...breezy?
[08:59] <nikitis> the latest
[08:59] <nikitis> breezy i think
[08:59] <Sonny_Wertzik> nikitis, hmmm maybe.... 1 sec
[09:00] <_op> how do i configure samba to not require user name and login to connect to it's shares
[09:00] <nikitis> _op, I don't think you can
[09:01] <nikitis> you can make it so it's not passworded
[09:01] <nikitis> or write a script
[09:02] <_op> okay how do i make it so it is not passworded
[09:02] <_op> reason is becuase i am connecting from my xbox to the share so i can't input a password
[09:03] <nikitis> in linux
[09:03] <nikitis> create a user
[09:03] <nikitis> without a password
[09:03] <Sonny_Wertzik> nikitis, i know there is documentation...try searchng about it under hoary instead of breezy
[09:03] <nikitis> then when creating the share
[09:03] <nikitis> use that user to create it
[09:03] <nikitis> so that he'll have the permissions
[09:03] <Sonny_Wertzik> nikitis, i cant find it in my bookmarks
[09:04] <nikitis> Sonny_Wertzik, really?
[09:04] <nikitis> i'm not looking for dual head setup
[09:04] <nikitis> cause I have two actual video cards
[09:04] <Sonny_Wertzik> nikitis, im lookin right now for u
[09:05] <nikitis> thanks
[09:10] <Sonny_Wertzik> nikitis, it may be here http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?p=install+two+video+cards+hoary&prssweb=Search&ei=UTF-8&fl=0&u=ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php%3Ft%3D53050&w=install+two+video+cards+hoary&d=Pxp6L2FULuzI&icp=1&.intl=us   .....but i cant get on the site...it seem to be overloaded or down
[09:10] <endo602> how do i install a .sh file?
[09:10] <angelusco> hola
[09:10] <angelusco> sorry hi, is this room just in english ?
[09:11] <angelusco> helloooo
[09:12] <Sonny_Wertzik> angelusco, ask in whatever language u want and maybe someone will answer...but mostly english hehe
[09:12] <endo602> how do i install a .sh file
[09:13] <angelusco> ok ty sonny, is here some kind or rules? 'cuz i know some rooms that ban u if u speak another languaje
[09:13] <Sonny_Wertzik> angelusco, i dont know...
[09:14] <laszlok> endo602: chmod +x <name of the file>
[09:14] <angelusco> perhaps i don't speak english, but i will try to spell it as better as i can
[09:14] <laszlok> endo602: then ./<name of file> to run it
[09:14] <Sonny_Wertzik> angelusco, u seem to be doing fine with english as far as i can see hehehehe
[09:15] <endo602> thanks
[09:15] <at1as> Anyone use Transcode?
[09:16] <angelusco> ok ty, mmmm well, i am a noob in this room, on irc and even on kubuntu
[09:16] <angelusco> i can't play videos with kaffeine
[09:16] <Sonny_Wertzik> angelusco, thats ok, so am i
[09:17] <at1as> Kaffeine is broke for me too.
[09:17] <at1as> xine and mplayer seem fine though
[09:18] <Sonny_Wertzik> angelusco, ya i never use it.... i know what u mean... i dont know how to fix it
[09:18] <musashiden> hmm, this is messed up :S
[09:18] <angelusco> xine? where can i find it
[09:18] <angelusco> well actually i am looking for codecs or something like that for kaffeine
[09:19] <musashiden> Sonny_Wertzik: now i cant access the hard drive i just installed and the other hard drive i tried to format still has some kubuntu base files in there
[09:19] <angelusco> sonny, what do u use?, i can give anything for drop windogs away =)
[09:19] <Sonny_Wertzik> angelusco, are all your repositories enabled? 
[09:19] <angelusco> i guess them are, how can i check that ?
[09:20] <Sonny_Wertzik> angelusco, for playing videos i use xine
[09:20] <Sonny_Wertzik> are u using the breezy version of kubuntu?
[09:20] <at1as> xineui.
[09:20] <at1as> Don't know if it's in universe or otherwise.
[09:21] <apokryphos> xine-ui -- vital hyphen ;-)
[09:21] <angelusco> sonny, who are u talking to? the breezy version is for me?
[09:22] <musashiden> i guess your busy now
[09:22] <angelusco> mmmm let me c
[09:22] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, did u make the formatted drive bootable?
[09:22] <Sonny_Wertzik> angelusco, use adept package manager look for xineui
[09:23] <apokryphos> Sonny_Wertzik: it's xine-ui
[09:23] <musashiden> Sonny_Wertzik: erm, i really dont know
[09:23] <Sonny_Wertzik> apokryphos, yes ok right
[09:23] <angelusco> sonny, mm let me check i was looking for xmplayer but didn't find it
[09:23] <angelusco> sonny, hold on
[09:24] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, heh i dont really know what u did
[09:24] <musashiden> hmm, ok
[09:24] <musashiden> damnit. i messed up both of my hardrives now
[09:25] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, well u are talking to me so something is working right
[09:26] <musashiden> lol
[09:26] <musashiden> i have 3 hard drives
[09:26] <musashiden> and i messed up 2 of them
[09:26] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, did u pick the right drive when u formatted it?
[09:26] <musashiden> yes
[09:27] <musashiden> it did formatted it. but it installed the base system on it <_<
[09:27] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, well try again .... no big deal 
[09:28] <max> Hi, may i ask a short question?
[09:28] <apokryphos> no!
[09:28] <max> ok sry
[09:28] <angelusco> back, mmmm i have a big trouble
[09:28] <apokryphos> max: kiddin'
[09:28] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, u wanted to format it ...that would clear it anyways...u just put the base system on by accident
[09:29] <apokryphos> max: just ask; don't ask to ask :)
[09:29] <max> :-)
[09:29] <angelusco> i can't loggin with my password as root
[09:29] <max> i can't load the ubuntuforum.org site, is down? i tried windows and kubuntu with different browsers. 
[09:29] <max> everything else works properly
[09:29] <apokryphos> max: it's ubuntuforums[] 
[09:29] <Sonny_Wertzik> angelusco, that is a default of KDE i belive
[09:29] <max> ... one moment
[09:29] <apokryphos> max: *ubuntuforum[s] 
[09:29] <musashiden> and the other one was working just fine before i rebooted the computer. now it says "could not enter folder /media/hdd1"
[09:29] <apokryphos> but yup, it seems to be down
[09:30] <max> yes, i tried forumS ... puh, for a moment
[09:30] <max> thx
[09:31] <angelusco> LOL my bad, i had the package manager open, so the second time i opened it, was on read only
[09:31] <angelusco> sonny, hahaha sorry, now u can c how a noob i am =)
[09:31] <musashiden> and Sonny_Wertzik: i cant format the hard driver without kubuntu installing the base system. because as soon as it formats it, it starts to install the base system
[09:31] <musashiden> so i cant help it
[09:32] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, and u are using the hoary version?
[09:32] <musashiden> yes
[09:33] <at1as> Anyone else use transcode at all?
[09:33] <at1as> 
[09:33] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, does it try to boot from that new partition?
[09:33] <musashiden> nope
[09:34] <max> ahh, forums are back
[09:34] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, well that good at least ...maybe try to delete the files off it manually
[09:35] <angelusco> #focr
[09:35] <musashiden> tried it, access denied.
[09:35] <musashiden> even with root
[09:35] <angelusco> oops
[09:35] <angelusco> how do i join another channel ?
[09:35] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, 1 sec ill look it up 
[09:36] <pipe> hola!!
[09:36] <pipe> kubunto IRC en espaol ?????
[09:36] <pipe> porfavor !
[09:37] <angelusco> hey, i have libxine-dev, libcinelc2 and libxinerama 1 installed
[09:37] <angelusco> hola pipe
[09:37] <pipe> hola.. sabes como es el IRC de kubuntu es espaol?
[09:37] <angelusco> soy nuevo en linux y mas en kubuntu, pero igual te puedo ayudar traduciendo tus dudas para ver si alhuien te contesta
[09:37] <pipe> a ok
[09:37] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, u there?
[09:37] <apokryphos> pipe: #kubuntu-es
[09:37] <angelusco> como es? te refieres al canal ?
[09:37] <pipe> lo q necesito son repositorios
[09:37] <musashiden> Sonny_Wertzik: yup
[09:38] <apokryphos> please join #ubuntu-es or #kubuntu-es  please
[09:38] <pipe> sip
[09:38] <angelusco> pipe says: he need repositories
[09:38] <pipe> gracias por la traduccion!
[09:38] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, ok i found u a partition editor for hoary
[09:38] <musashiden> ok
[09:38] <angelusco> no hay problema
[09:38] <musashiden> which one is it?
[09:38] <pipe> a ok
[09:38] <pipe> me los podrias mandar!
[09:39] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, http://www.majalah.com/#gparted    read it ...it tells you how to install it.... dont panic....hehehe
[09:39] <angelusco> hey all, do u care if a traslate what pipe wants?
[09:39] <angelusco> dejame ver como se configuran o se agregan los repositorios
[09:39] <angelusco> hey all, do u care if a traslate what pipe wants?
[09:39] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, its for gnome but it might work for KDE
[09:39] <musashiden> iam not a noob at linux, iam just having a little trouble with the hard drive stuff
[09:40] <musashiden> angelusco: we heard you the first time, and tell him to join #kubuntu-es
[09:40] <angelusco> musashiden, i already joined there but nobody answer
[09:40] <pipe> aangelusco.. q dicen?
[09:40] <apokryphos> pipe: English *only* in here
[09:41] <pipe> no entiendo mucho el ingles!
[09:41] <raphink> ok let's move to kubuntu-es
[09:41] <pipe> a ok
[09:41] <apokryphos> =)
[09:41] <raphink> ya vengo en #kubuntu-es 
[09:41] <angelusco> que ya me leyeron la linea anterior, que te pases a kubutu-es pero les digo que no contestand
[09:41] <pipe> gracias!!
[09:41] <pipe> xao
[09:41] <pipe> gracias amigo.. me voy a kubuntu-es
[09:41] <pipe> chao.. denuevo gracias!
[09:42] <angelusco> ok
[09:42] <angelusco> suerte
[09:42] <angelusco> sonny, i have libxine-dev, libcinelc2 and libxinerama 1 installed
[09:42] <apokryphos> angelusco: what are you trying to do?
[09:42] <Sonny_Wertzik> ya
[09:43] <angelusco> to watch videos, movies, etc
[09:43] <angelusco> i just can ear mp3 =)
[09:44] <angelusco> listen*
[09:44] <Sonny_Wertzik> angelusco, DVD's?
[09:44] <apokryphos> angelusco: are you on i386?
[09:44] <angelusco> well, that could be great, but for star i want to c videos
[09:44] <angelusco> apokryphos, yap
[09:44] <apokryphos> !w32codecs
[09:44] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. To download the debs: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy).
[09:45] <apokryphos> angelusco: get that, and also install xine-ui
[09:45] <Allah> xine4ever
[09:45] <Allah> :>
[09:45] <Allah> . /usr/lib/win32 put ya c00ki3s there
[09:45] <apokryphos> Allah: nah.. that link comes with the .deb that'll do everything for you 8)
[09:46] <Allah> oh
[09:46] <Allah> okay
[09:46] <Allah> thats pretty l33t
[09:46] <Allah> im currently developing kdeapplets
[09:46] <Allah> my current project ist "Kputt"
[09:46] <angelusco> omg, let me c, even i don't know how to install some programs from internet
[09:46] <angelusco> hehehehe
[09:46] <apokryphos> Allah: oh ok; what does it do?
[09:47] <Allah> apokryphos: it makes kde kaputt
[09:49] <musashiden> Sonny_Wertzik: wow, this program really works. thank you very much
[09:49] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, good! im glad to here that
[09:50] <musashiden> ok, so that fixes one hard drive
[09:50] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, now u can fix your stuff
[09:50] <musashiden> now this other one is giving me a headache
[09:50] <Chris_Haston> i have setup samba to and i created a user with no password and created a share. But when i try to connect to the share in windows it is asking for a password and it will not let me connect to it. Anyone know how i can make it not ask for a password?
[09:50] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, well at least you got one thing down
[09:51] <musashiden> the other one was working just fine before i rebooted the computer. now it says "could not enter folder /media/hdd1"
[09:51] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, maybe its a permissions problem
[09:52] <musashiden> well i tried to change the permission, even from the terminal windows with root
[09:52] <musashiden> but it wont work
[09:52] <musashiden> you think maybe itll get fixed if i reboot the computer?
[09:52] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, if you login as root maybe you can right click that drive go to preferences and chage the permission....be carful in root...u can really do some damage inthere
[09:53] <musashiden> i tried root
[09:53] <angelusco> deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Release i386 (20051012)] / breezy main restricted <----- it means that i am on breezy ???
[09:53] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, not in terminal.... login as root
[09:53] <musashiden> i can access the hard drive just fine with root
[09:53] <musashiden> hmm
[09:54] <raphink> yes angelusco 
[09:54] <musashiden> it says "root logins not allowed"
[09:54] <angelusco> ok ty
[09:54] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, be ever so carful in root... you can mess up your stuff if you do the wrong thing in there..!
[09:55] <txakoli> hola
[09:55] <txakoli> hello
[09:55] <musashiden> sonny, dont worry. i know how to mess with root. i been messing with linux for 8 months now
[09:55] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, u are using kde right?
[09:55] <musashiden> yah
[09:56] <Sonny_Wertzik> im not sure but in breezy ...the version i use... root is disabled by default
[09:56] <angelusco> i am donwloading w32codecs
[09:56] <angelusco> let me c if i can install it =)
[09:56] <musashiden> then how can i enable it?
[09:56] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, im not sure about hoary so i dont want to steer u wrong
[09:57] <apokryphos> why do you want to login as root?
[09:57] <apokryphos> There shouldn't ever be a need to
[09:57] <musashiden> to access the harddrive and get my stuff out of there
[09:57] <txakoli> help! I can't install amule in kubuntu
[09:57] <musashiden> because no matter what i do, it wont let me in
[09:58] <apokryphos> musashiden: if you don't like the terminal, then alt+f2 -> kdesu konqueror
[09:58] <apokryphos> though ideally you want to alter the mount permissions or something for that harddrive
[09:58] <apokryphos> is it in fstab?
[09:58] <musashiden> yes
[09:59] <apokryphos> musashiden: can you paste the respective entry?
[09:59] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, good luck man i got to go...
[09:59] <musashiden>  /dev/hdd1       /media/hdd1     ntfs    defaults        0       2
[09:59] <musashiden> Sonny_Wertzik: thank you. and see ya later
[09:59] <apokryphos> musashiden: you haven't set a umask option
[09:59] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, np take care
[09:59] <musashiden> Sonny_Wertzik: thanks for all the help
[10:00] <musashiden> apokryphos: how do i do that?
[10:00] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, yw
[10:00] <apokryphos> musashiden: /dev/hda1 /media/hdd1 ntfs umask=0222 0 0
[10:00] <Chris_Haston> i have setup samba to and i created a user with no password and created a share. But when i try to connect to the share in windows it is asking for a password and it will not let me connect to it. Anyone know how i can make it not ask for a password?
[10:00] <apokryphos> musashiden: put that entry in
[10:00] <musashiden>  /dev/hda1 ?
[10:00] <Drakeson> anyone from canada?
[10:00] <kkathman> apokryphos:  howdy :)
[10:00] <apokryphos> musashiden: hdd1, sorry
[10:00] <apokryphos> kkathman: hey
[10:01] <kkathman> apokryphos:  got a question...you said that the libqt3c102-mt is obsoleted in Breezy?
[10:01] <musashiden> apokryphos: do i overwrite the other one?
[10:01] <apokryphos> it is
[10:01] <apokryphos> musashiden: yes
[10:01] <kkathman> apokryphos: OK...but what do you do if you have an app that has that as a dependency?
[10:02] <apokryphos> kkathman: what application does?
[10:02] <kkathman> apokryphos: krusader 1.7  newest version
[10:02] <musashiden> apokryphos: ok, done
[10:02] <musashiden> now what?
[10:02] <apokryphos> kkathman: you could just extract the deb and alter the depends
[10:02] <apokryphos> musashiden: sudo mount -a
[10:02] <apokryphos> (to remount all relevant things)
[10:03] <kkathman> apokryphos: after you are finished with musashiden - maybe we can talk about that in --offtopic
[10:03] <apokryphos> kkathman: link to the .deb?
[10:03] <kkathman> im in no rush
[10:03] <kkathman> 1 sec
[10:04] <apokryphos> kkathman: and it wouldn't be offtopic :P
[10:04] <musashiden> yay! it works!
[10:04] <apokryphos> =)
[10:04] <musashiden> thank you very much apokryphos
[10:04] <apokryphos> np
[10:05] <kkathman> apokryphos: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/krusader/krusader_1.60.1-sarge1_i386.deb?download
[10:05] <apokryphos> ok, thanks
[10:05] <kkathman> not a prob...thank YOU
[10:06] <kkathman> apokryphos: ok.. ok...I didnt wanna horn in on your helping someone else while in the process
[10:06] <apokryphos> kkathman: helping just one person at a time would be a boring process anyway :P
[10:06] <kkathman> lo
[10:06] <kkathman> lol
[10:07] <Chris_Haston> has anyone gotten itunes working under wine? 
[10:08] <musashiden> um, here is a noob question. whats the delete command for the terminal? like if i wanted to delete a whole folder?
[10:09] <kkathman> musashiden: rm -rf
[10:09] <musashiden> thank you kkathman
[10:09] <kkathman> be careful :)
[10:10] <musashiden> lol, ill try
[10:10] <Chris_Haston> i have been trying to get itunes working under wine and it will not finish the installation
[10:12] <musashiden> hmm, one last problem. when i try to change the permissions of hdd1, it gives me this: "chmod: changing permissions of `/media/hdd1': Read-only file system"
[10:12] <kkathman> musashiden: you probably need to use sudo in front of that command
[10:13] <rhalff_> hi if I just install kde in unbuntu, will that give me the same as kubuntu ?
[10:13] <musashiden> kkathman: i have, iam logged in to the terminal as root
[10:14] <kkathman> rhalff_: not really
[10:14] <kkathman> rhalff_: did you install ubuntu?
[10:14] <rhalff_> kkathman, yes, running ubuntu now
[10:14] <musashiden> "Read-only file system"...hmmm...doesnt that sound suspicious?
[10:14] <kkathman> rhalff_:  all you need to do then, is do  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, then go get some coffee and lunch
[10:15] <musashiden> or unusual? like if it was made to be read only?
[10:15] <kkathman> musashiden: unusual that it would be read-only yes
[10:15] <rhalff_> kkathman, ah ok nice :)
[10:15] <musashiden> well anyways, can you help me out?
[10:16] <PJeremy> does anyone here use the playlist2html script in amarok?
[10:16] <kkathman> musashiden: what were you trying to do?
[10:17] <apokryphos> kkathman: vaguely inconvenient that I don't remember how to alter the control file from the .deb itself, and then put it back together. I'll have to find out
[10:17] <musashiden> iam trying to change the permission of the hard drive. because it seems the whole hard drive is read only
[10:17] <kkathman> apokryphos:  no problems
[10:17] <musashiden> but it wont let me. even when logged in as root
[10:18] <kkathman> musashiden: hmm someone else had this problem recently
[10:18] <kkathman> musashiden: and I forget what the solution was
[10:18] <musashiden> @_@
[10:18] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: know how to repackage a .deb with an altered control file?
[10:19] <kkathman> musashiden: Im thinking its an option in your fstab...but not 100% sure
[10:19] <kkathman> wait one sec...
[10:22] <kkathman> musashiden: did you install clean or upgrade from a previous version?
[10:22] <musashiden> nope
[10:24] <isaac> pipitas: what for?
[10:24] <kkathman> musashiden: ummm ok how did you install?
[10:25] <kkathman> those are the only two ways I know :)
[10:26] <musashiden> lol, never mind kkathman, i got it fixed. nevertheless, thanks for the help
[10:26] <kkathman> excellent musashiden can you tell us what you did?
[10:27] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, did u get it straightened out?
[10:27] <musashiden> i was changing the permissions of the wrong harddrive. i was trying to fix hdd1, while the real problem was hdb1
[10:27] <musashiden> iam such a noob xP
[10:27] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, did u get it straightened out?
[10:27] <musashiden> Sonny_Wertzik: yup
[10:28] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, kool man
[10:28] <musashiden> yup
[10:28] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, were u messin with tr wrong drive?
[10:29] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, were u messin with the wrong drive?
[10:30] <musashiden> Sonny_Wertzik: yah, but no worries, i got it fixed
[10:30] <musashiden> with a little help from kkathman of course
[10:30] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, ahh ya there are alike names for things and stuff..it gets confusing
[10:31] <musashiden> lol
[10:33] <apokryphos> kkathman: http://giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/krusader.deb -- lmk if it works; I have no i386 chroot here, so can't test
[10:35] <apokryphos> kkathman: erm... there's an ubuntu deb on their site
[10:36] <Sonny_Wertzik> anybody here use the moodin theme engine for splash screens?
[10:36] <apokryphos> yup
[10:36] <raphink> yes Sonny_Wertzik I used to use it
[10:37] <Sonny_Wertzik> raphink, all i get is a small blue box when i test it any ideas?
[10:37] <raphink> hmm
[10:37] <raphink> you installed it well?
[10:37] <Sonny_Wertzik> ya it installed no prob
[10:38] <apokryphos> kkathman: also realised that you didn't originally link me to the 1.7 deb :P
[10:38] <Sonny_Wertzik> raphink, the moodin site is down so i can get no help
[10:38] <kkathman> apokryphos: really??? I didnt see that?
[10:38] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: sorry I was at the corner shop :) And no, not offhand
[10:39] <fatejudger> does anyone here know how to mount a samba share?
[10:39] <fatejudger> in the fstab
[10:39] <kkathman> apokryphos:  the 1.7 I think was the newest...beta
[10:39] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: no worries; figured it out
[10:39] <apokryphos> kkathman: and you linked me to 1.6 =)
[10:39] <fatejudger> all the tutorials are for shares with passwords
[10:39] <apokryphos> kkathman: nevermind; the deb on their site for ubuntu should work
[10:39] <fatejudger> I need to know how to log in as a guest or something
[10:39] <fatejudger> and I don't know what that option is
[10:40] <Sonny_Wertzik> raphink, is there a GUI for moodin or do i just edit the .rc file?
[10:40] <fatejudger> damn, nobody knows?
[10:40] <fatejudger> Sonny_Wertzik: were did you get moodin?
[10:40] <kkathman> apokryphos: is that the source or a deb?
[10:40] <fatejudger> Sonny_Wertzik: the link is down
[10:40] <raphink> I didn't have to set anything for moodin Sonny_Wertzik 
[10:40] <raphink> just installed it and it worked
[10:41] <apokryphos> kkathman: where?
[10:41] <raphink> and then used kcontrol to set the splash
[10:41] <raphink> that's it
[10:41] <Sonny_Wertzik> raphink, ahhh ok
[10:41] <kkathman> apokryphos:  that ubuntu dev...thats a full.. not source?
[10:41] <apokryphos> kkathman: it would be nicer if they gave the deb src too, but they don't :P
[10:41] <Sonny_Wertzik> fatejudger, ya i know the site is down hehe umm i think i dl'ed it a few days before it went down
[10:42] <apokryphos> kkathman: http://kent.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/krusader/krusader_1.70.0-beta2-0ubuntu0_i386.deb
[10:42] <kkathman> nm I see it now
[10:42] <fatejudger> Sonny_Wertzik: do you have the deb or source?
[10:42] <Sonny_Wertzik> fatejudger, both
[10:42] <kkathman> sorry about all that apokryphos 
[10:42] <kkathman> I just didnt scan further down the page
[10:43] <apokryphos> kkathman: no problem -- I had forgotten how to quickly repackage a .deb anyhow, so good stuff
[10:43] <fatejudger> Sonny_Wertzik: would you mind uploading it to yousendit or something like that?
[10:44] <Sonny_Wertzik> fatejudger, to you?
[10:44] <fatejudger> Sonny_Wertzik: yeah
[10:44] <nikitis> I have a media button problem
[10:44] <fatejudger> Sonny_Wertzik: just upload it to yoursendit or something and msg me the link
[10:44] <fatejudger> Sonny_Wertzik: if it isn't too much trouble
[10:45] <Sonny_Wertzik> fatejudger, sure ...what machine u got .... want i586.deb?
[10:45] <fatejudger> Sonny_Wertzik: sure, the .deb works
[10:45] <Sonny_Wertzik> fatejudger, 1 sec
[10:45] <fatejudger> Sonny_Wertzik: k, thanks
[10:46] <fatejudger> does anyone know what's up with hoary-extras?
[10:47] <nikitis> Is there a way to link the Master and Master Mono indicators together in kmix?
[10:47] <nikitis> for Sound
[10:48] <fatejudger> nikitis: why do you need mono?
[10:48] <PJeremy> !sources
[10:48] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[10:48] <nikitis> My Laptop uses it in conjunction with the Master volume, and it sounds 1000 times better when they are both on
[10:48] <fatejudger> Sonny_Wertzik: isn't that an rpm?
[10:48] <nikitis> When master volume is on, and mono is off, it sounds terrible
[10:49] <Sonny_Wertzik> fatejudger,  ya but u can alien it
[10:49] <fatejudger> true
[10:49] <fatejudger> well that didn't work too well
[10:49] <Sonny_Wertzik> fatejudger, ??
[10:49] <fatejudger> it didn't send
[10:49] <fatejudger> www.yousendit.com
[10:49] <fatejudger> use that
[10:49] <nikitis> So do you know of a way to link the two together so that if I lower the master volume, the mono lowers as well?
[10:50] <Sonny_Wertzik> fatejudger, ive never tried to send a file b4
[10:50] <fatejudger> nikitis: why don't you just crank up the mono
[10:50] <fatejudger> nikitis: and then control the volume using the master?
[10:50] <nikitis> because when I hit mute with my keyboard
[10:50] <nikitis> the mono doesn't close
[10:50] <nikitis> and it's still loud
[10:50] <nikitis> or volume down
[10:50] <nikitis> with my keyboard
[10:50] <fatejudger> Sonny_Wertzik: you'd have to forward some ports to get DCC working
[10:50] <_noah> I'm going to upgrade my Kubuntu 5.04 install to 5.10.  Is it better to do it in the console instead of having KDE started?
[10:50] <nikitis> the master goes down and then mono is still on
[10:50] <fatejudger> Sonny_Wertzik: just use www.yousendit.com
[10:50] <nikitis> they need to be linked
[10:51] <Sgep> Why isn't uclient a part of (k)ubuntu?
[10:51] <fatejudger> _noah: it really doesn't matter
[10:51] <Sgep> There's a package for it in debian
[10:51] <fatejudger> _noah: everything is loaded into memory anyway
[10:51] <musashiden> yet another problem shows up
[10:51] <_noah> So, if I do it in the terminal, I shouldn't have any problems?
[10:52] <Sonny_Wertzik> fatejudger, iok whats ur email address?
[10:52] <nikitis> So anyway to link them?
[10:52] <nikitis> or make it so that when I hit my Keyboard button it does both?
[10:53] <nikitis> Like assign a keyboard button to do two things
[10:53] <musashiden> if i try to erase a folder from the hard drive i just formatted, i get this error: "Creating folders is not supported with protocol trash"
[10:54] <fatejudger> Sonny_Wertzik: did you get my PM?
[10:54] <nikitis> Is there a way to assign one keyboard button to do two task?
[10:55] <fatejudger> nikitis: possibly, that seems a little weird though
[10:55] <Sonny_Wertzik> fatejudger, ya its on its way
[10:55] <nikitis> How  would I do it?  I have the keycode
[10:56] <fatejudger> Sonny_Wertzik: thanks
[10:56] <Sonny_Wertzik> fatejudger, np
[10:56] <musashiden> can anyone help me out for a quick minute?
[10:56] <upyuro> maybe assigning it to a script file that executes those 2 tasks?
[10:57] <nikitis> Well not really, If I could assign the volume down button to turn down both master and mono
[10:57] <nikitis> my problem would be solved
[10:57] <upyuro> ah no idea then
[10:58] <nikitis> fatejudger, Basically, the master mono is for the subwoofer, and my laptop has a "mini-subwoofer"  Without it, the sound quality is terrible
[10:59] <Sonny_Wertzik> fatejudger, i cant get moodin to work ... if you do can u let me know
[10:59] <fatejudger> Sonny_Wertzik: sure
[10:59] <Sonny_Wertzik> fatejudger, thx.... it says 1 to 5 min till it sends
[11:01] <Sonny_Wertzik> fatejudger, thx.... ummm make that 5 to 10min till it sends...its 2.1 mb
[11:02] <Sonny_Wertzik> fatejudger, ok its there
[11:02] <musashiden>  Sonny_Wertzik: can you help me out real quick?
[11:02] <fatejudger> Sonny_Wertzik: ok, thanks
[11:02] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, sure
[11:02] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, if i can
[11:03] <musashiden> Sonny_Wertzik: if i try to erase a folder from the hard drive i just formatted, i get this error: "Creating folders is not supported with protocol trash"
[11:03] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, hmmm
[11:04] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, i missed what u did to fix ur stuff...what filesystem did u use?
[11:05] <musashiden> ext3
[11:05] <musashiden> i used that program you have me, from gnome
[11:05] <musashiden> to format it
[11:06] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, ya.....have you rebooted yet?
[11:06] <musashiden> erm, not really
[11:07] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, im not sure u would even have to but i my knowledge is limited there
[11:07] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, it couldnt hurt....eh um... 
[11:08] <musashiden> ill give it a try. thanks anyways
[11:08] <Sonny_Wertzik> musashiden, ok
[11:14] <beto> hello there
[11:14] <beto> someone can help me?
[11:15] <kkathman> whats up beto :)
[11:15] <raphink> hi beta
[11:15] <raphink> beto
[11:15] <raphink> sorry
[11:15] <kkathman> lol
[11:15] <beto> :)
[11:15] <beto> I have a network issue
[11:15] <raphink> what is it?
[11:15] <beto> I connect to inet, but after a while (ten mins) it falls down
[11:16] <beto> I've checked the temperature and it's ok
[11:16] <raphink> what falls down?
[11:16] <beto> the connection
[11:16] <raphink> the network or the comp?
[11:16] <kkathman> beto: the whole system goes down or just the net?
[11:16] <raphink> then it's not a temp issue
[11:16] <beto> I loose the link
[11:16] <beto> Just the net kk
[11:16] <raphink> can you still ping ?
[11:16] <raphink> like google or so
[11:17] <beto> Nup, I can't
[11:17] <raphink> like all of a sudden you get no network 
[11:17] <beto> I recieve inet from another computer with a bandwidth limiter
[11:17] <beto> yep
[11:17] <raphink> dhcp ?
[11:17] <beto> yep
[11:17] <raphink> hmm
[11:17] <beto> I've tried to make it manually but I get the same result
[11:17] <raphink> can you still ping the other comp?
[11:18] <kkathman> sounds like the other computer is closing the connection
[11:18] <raphink> yes kkathman I think so too
[11:18] <beto> I've used the same conection with Win98 and it never felt...
[11:18] <raphink> it doesn't seem to be coming from your comp beto 
[11:18] <raphink> hmm
[11:18] <raphink> well you said there's a bandwidth limiter
[11:18] <marvinalone> beto, it sounds like your dhcp lease is not being renewed
[11:19] <beto> aha
[11:19] <marvinalone> do you have dhcpcd running?
[11:19] <beto> I don't know
[11:19] <beto> How I look that?
[11:19] <raphink> beto 
[11:19] <raphink> ps x | grep dhcp
[11:19] <raphink> or 
[11:19] <marvinalone> run "ps ax" and look for dhcp
[11:19] <raphink> sudo ps x | grep dhcp
[11:19] <beto> nup
[11:19] <beto> nothing is there
[11:20] <raphink> hmm marvinalone I have dhcp too and I have no dhcpd running
[11:20] <raphink> as a client
[11:20] <beto> You mean that I have to be running a daemon for dhcp or something???
[11:21] <raphink> I don't think so
[11:21] <marvinalone> i have to admit, i dont know the dhcp specifics on ubuntu, my address is static
[11:21] <beto> It's pretty weird
[11:21] <marvinalone> but dhcp gives you an ip on a lease
[11:21] <beto> and you know what?
[11:21] <raphink> oh right
[11:21] <marvinalone> and the lease has to be renewed
[11:21] <raphink> sorry marvinalone stupid me I switched to static ;)
[11:21] <raphink> hehe
[11:21] <beto> I have been connected for 15' and it doesn't crash...
[11:21] <marvinalone> usually, the daemon that does that is dhcpcd
[11:22] <beto> and how I start it?
[11:22] <marvinalone> leases can be of varying length, but it is unusual for the connection to be up for 10 minutes one time, and 20 minutes another time
[11:22] <raphink> beto: you can try dhclient
[11:22] <raphink> to renew your lease
[11:22] <beto> Ok
[11:22] <raphink> when you lose the connection
[11:22] <beto> let's see
[11:23] <raphink> you might have to run it as root
[11:23] <beto> It says this:
[11:23] <beto> sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
[11:23] <beto> can't create /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.leases: Permission denied
[11:23] <beto> Can't create /var/run/dhclient.pid: Permission denied
[11:23] <raphink> yes
[11:23] <beto> drop_privileges: could not set group id: Operation not permitted
[11:23] <raphink> run it as root
[11:23] <raphink> sudo dhclient
[11:23] <beto> beto@betox:~$ dhclient
[11:23] <beto> Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.0.2
[11:23] <beto> Copyright 2004 Internet Systems Consortium.
[11:23] <beto> All rights reserved.
[11:23] <beto> For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/products/DHCP
[11:23] <beto> ok
[11:23] <raphink> and please don't paste more than 3 linutes in here
[11:23] <beto> Ok I'm sorry
[11:23] <beto> new at IRC too :P
[11:24] <beto> It seems that it got started
[11:24] <raphink> when you want to paste long texts, use the pastebine
[11:24] <raphink> pastebin
[11:24] <beto> Now what I have to do?
[11:24] <marvinalone> wait and see if it works?
[11:24] <beto> jajaj
[11:24] <raphink> ping 
[11:24] <raphink> whatever server you want
[11:24] <beto> Ok thanks a lot goys
[11:25] <beto> If I can still chatting with you it's working ;)
[11:25] <kkathman> yah
[11:25] <raphink> hahahaha
[11:25] <raphink> LOOOOOOOOOOL
[11:25] <raphink> sorry
[11:25] <raphink> taht should be put on bash
[11:25] <raphink> ;)
[11:27] <raphink> i'ts a funny one 
[11:28] <fatejudger> for some reason I can't get alien to run after apt-get(ing) it
[11:28] <raphink> what do you mean fatejudger ?
[11:28] <fatejudger> it just won't run
[11:28] <fatejudger> it doesn't show up in the KMenu
[11:29] <raphink> sure
[11:29] <raphink> alien is not a gui program
[11:29] <raphink> so there's no reason to find it in the kmenu
[11:29] <fatejudger> it isn't?
[11:29] <raphink> if all progs were in the kmenu
[11:29] <raphink> the kmenu wouldn't fit on your screen 
[11:29] <raphink> no it isen't
[11:29] <raphink> alien is a console app
[11:29] <raphink> app
[11:31] <PJeremy> the kmenu is already bloated in the default imho..
[11:31] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: alien is used like this  :  alien  package.rpm    (makes a .deb)
[11:31] <fatejudger> ok thanks
[11:31] <thoreauputic> then you install the .deb
[11:31] <fatejudger> that worked
[11:31] <fatejudger> I just thought that it was a GUI program
[11:31] <thoreauputic> nope
[11:31] <thoreauputic> :)
[11:32] <fatejudger> I could have sworn it was when I was running Hoary
[11:32] <fatejudger> maybe I confused it with Ark or something
[11:32] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: I've been using it for years - never seen a GUI for it
[11:32] <eriksti> if I install Eclipse using apt-get/Adept, what'll be the install directory?
[11:33] <thoreauputic> eriksti: you can see all the files it installs with   dpkg -L eclipse
[11:34] <thoreauputic> or whatever the package name is
[11:34] <thoreauputic> dpkg -L eclipse | grep bin would show the binaries I guess (never installed eclipse )
[11:35] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: somebody should make QT based GUI for it
[11:35] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: if I have time I might do that
[11:36] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: well, alien should be an absolute last resort, you know ;)
[11:36] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: true
[11:36] <eriksti> thoreauputic:  I'm not looking for bin though.. I wanna unzip a thing which will let me use eclipse to develop php in the right directory, and I find it both in usr/share/eclipse and /usr/local/share/eclipse
[11:36] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: this package I just installed using alien isn't working out too well
[11:37] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: that's often the case with aliened rpm etc
[11:37] <eriksti> thoreauputic:  plugins and features directories exist in both locations, that's why I'm confused
[11:38] <thoreauputic> eriksti: I see - well I'm not much help as I'm not familiar with eclipse - i assume there's a #eclipse or similar on freenode
[11:38] <eriksti> ok thanks
[11:38] <fatejudger> somebody needs to host the moodin .deb package
[11:41] <IRCMonkey23> how do you change the fonts for applications like firefox? they're gtk i presume
[11:43] <kkathman> IRCMonkey23: in Firefox..Preferences
[11:43] <IRCMonkey23> kkathman: i think those are just for displaying websites. i meant the application itself....
[11:43] <kkathman> IRCMonkey23: usually these are set by each application
[11:43] <kkathman> no
[11:44] <kkathman> IRCMonkey23: typically, any fonts in the application are application based
[11:44] <kkathman> Things on the desktop are set via system settings
[11:44] <IRCMonkey23> i see
[11:45] <davedorm> kkathman:  i got the admin stuff working, thanks for the advice
[11:45] <davedorm> kkathman:  and now it sees my USB key drive
[11:45] <kkathman> great
[11:46] <davedorm> yeah, once I installed a few packages it's fine... where do I get codecs for Kaffeine?
[11:46] <davedorm> need to play .MOV and .AVI
[11:46] <leppards1> hi i had a question regarding the display on my ubuntu installation.
[11:46] <ljl> from the breezy-extras-staging repository, i think
[11:47] <davedorm> what's the name of the packages?
[11:47] <ljl> w32codecs
[11:47] <PJeremy> w32codecs
[11:47] <ljl> or something like that
[11:47] <davedorm> ljl:  thanks
[11:51] <davedorm> hmm
[11:51] <davedorm> how do I get that repo
[11:51] <davedorm> ??
[11:51] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[11:52] <davedorm> ah, a bot
[11:52] <davedorm> lol
[11:52] <davedorm> how do I get that repository in Adept?
[11:52] <LjL> i'm not sure where it is right now... i found it looking for breezy-extras-staging on google
[11:52] <davedorm> ok, I am new to Adept
[11:53] <davedorm> it's frustrating because I am not a n00b, but new to Kubuntu
[11:54] <fatejudger> !repos
[11:54] <ubotu> I guess repos is How to add repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[11:54] <LjL> i don't use adept
[11:54] <LjL> you can do this, download http://backports.ubuntu.clemsonlinux.org/dists/breezy-extras-staging/restricted/binary-i386/w32codecs_20050412+breezy0.0.1_all.deb
[11:54] <LjL> and then do "dpkg -i w32codecs_20050412+breezy0.0.1_all.deb"
[11:54] <davedorm> kk
[11:57] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> hi guys
[11:58] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> is there a way to reduce the size of the characters in the terminal outside of kde?
[11:58] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> not the emulated terminal, the one that i access by ctrl-alt-f1 and so on..
[11:58] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> mie is too big!!
[12:00] <fatejudger> LjL: I don't think that package is valid
[12:00] <fatejudger> LjL: it's only 10k
[12:00] <davedorm> well that did not work too well
[12:00] <Spudchat> tux magazine has a great article this month about installing w32codecs and the libraries needed to play most dvds
[12:01] <Spudchat> i used it and it works fine for me
[12:01] <davedorm> I installed the codecs but it still won't play a Quicktime